Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ? I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to take care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way to produce Unicode chars in *any* application. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 problems, part I: Mail crashes it all!
Le 6 octobre 2011, WLS a écrit : I have no problem with SeaMonkey mail on openSUSE 11.3 64-bit, using SeaMonkey 2.4.1 32-bit manually installed (well updated from 2.3.3) version. Which version of openSUSE are you using? 11.2 64-bit. Current SM package: 2.0.14-0.2.1 x86_64 (repo 11.2 Update). Tried: 2.4-1.1 x86_64 (repo 11.2 Evergreen). My current version is the highest on the Update repo. On the Evergreen one, they don't keep previous versions. So I can't readily try and take intermediary steps. Can you look in your 11.3 repos if one offers SM 2.1? Thanks for your help. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ? I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to take care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way to produce Unicode chars in *any* application. (composed in HTML mode, just to see what the effect of this Insert characters and features is) Well, I can't deny the logic of that, but just being able to produce Unicode characters is not quite the same as being able to insert the right character easily ... If I use the Insert characters and features here, I am presented with a selectable base character and then all composite variants thereof : I know of nothing similar in the various Windows IMEs that approaches this in simplicity, so for me it would be /very/ convenient to be able to Insert characters and features in exactly the same way that those who elect to compose in HTML can do. There would seem to be no /a priori/ justification for restricting this feature to mails composed in HTML. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Lucas Levrel schrieb: Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ? I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to take care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way to produce Unicode chars in *any* application. There's actually a related point I stumbled upon recently. I'm operating on MacOS 10.7 and SM and FF versions are latest-release (2.4.1, 7.0.1). When I edit text (text editor fields for both applications, composing mails/HTML/.../whatever in SM), I have an option in FF I don't have in SM: Edit - Special Characters (?) (It's Bearbeiten - Sonderzeichen in FF/German) (It's the bottom most entry for me.) This opens an OS dialogue, which allows to select a very wide range of (UTF?) characters. (I get the same dialogue in various applications, when choosing the same menu item, so I assume it's MacOS specific with command option Alt-Cmd-t.) SM does not offer this option to me. This is totally unrelated to the previously discussed Insert menu, which only exists as a thing during HTML edit mode (and is a SM selector, as is obvious by the UI). Is this a missing feature or some just some UI/menu porting issue (FF-SM, *-MacOS)? At least on that OS, this would satisfy likely any need for special characters in any context (for editing text). Best regards Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ? I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to take care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way to produce Unicode chars in *any* application. (composed in HTML mode, just to see what the effect of this Insert characters and features is) I am presented with a selectable base character and then all composite variants thereof : I know of nothing similar in the various Windows IMEs that approaches this in simplicity, so for me it would be /very/ convenient to be able to Insert characters and features in exactly the same way that those who elect to compose in HTML can do. There would seem to be no /a priori/ justification for restricting this feature to mails composed in HTML. I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is dysfunctional in my SM. However, since it's specifically in the HTML-insert menu, I'm pretty sure it does not create Unicode, but HTML-code. When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in the code: span class=moz-smiley-s1span :-) /span/span So I would expect something like Uuml; to be create by that option. Having HTML-options only available in HTML mode makes a very good sense. However, it leaves the issue of Unicode open (see also my other post on this thread). BR/Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Philipp van Hüllen wrote: I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is dysfunctional in my SM. However, since it's specifically in the HTML-insert menu, I'm pretty sure it does not create Unicode, but HTML-code. When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in the code: span class=moz-smiley-s1span :-) /span/span So I would expect something like Uuml; to be create by that option. Well. Let me start by saying that I think that smilies are something of a red-herring, and I would prefer to focus on real uses, so let me try to compose my wife's name using the Insert feature : Ȃu Dựợng Lệ Khanh (Support is incomplete : I couldn't find u-horn or o-horn without dot-under), but I /suspect/ that it has inserted real Unicode here; let us send the message and see ! Philip Taylor (using 2.0.14, where this feature is unbroken). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
P.S. -- Philipp van Hüllen wrote: I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is dysfunctional in my SM. However, since it's specifically in the HTML-insert menu, I'm pretty sure it does not create Unicode, but HTML-code. When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in the code: span class=moz-smiley-s1span :-) /span/span How did you view that ? Try as I might, I cannot find a view source option that allows me to see the HTML being generated ... Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: Philipp van Hüllen wrote: When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in the code: span class=moz-smiley-s1span :-) /span/span How did you view that ? Try as I might, I cannot find a view source option that allows me to see the HTML being generated ... Save the draft, go to the draft folder, view source. BR/Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols
Philipp van Hüllen wrote: Save the draft, go to the draft folder, view source. Thank you : I would never have thought of that. Anyhow, it does confirm my hypothesis : here is the draft for an insertion of Vietnamese e-circumflex-with-dot-under-tone : !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 ệbr Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can Google-Analytics be bypassed?
sean nathan bean wrote: d...@kd4e.com sent me the following:: Just getting back to this ... Is the file to which this is added /etc/hosts ? Is everything in there blocked? Thanks! Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: # block google ads. add additional servers as found. 127.0.0.1 adwords.google.com 127.0.0.1 pagead.googlesyndication.com 127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com 127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 adservices.google.com 127.0.0.1www.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 apps5.oingo.com 127.0.0.1 gcc-08.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 google-analytics.com 127.0.0.1www.google-analytics.com 127.0.0.1 ssl.google-analytics.com # google urchintracker 127.0.0.1 urchin.com 127.0.0.1www.urchin.com 127.0.0.1 domains.googlesyndication.com #[Parking Service] 127.0.0.1 adservices.google.com 127.0.0.1 video-stats.video.google.com 127.0.0.1 4.afs.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 feedads.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 imageads.googleadservices.com #[Tracking.Cookie] 127.0.0.1 pagead2.googleadservices.com 127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com i know this is an old thread but... fwiw the Ghostery addon seems to be blocking all of this for me... anyone else have likes/complaints about it? sean I have Ghostery on board...often see it telling me it's blocked stuff. Daniel -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version
denewton wrote: denewton a écrit : Hello, With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the search button, to get diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again. What is brocken ? sincerly Bertrand Hello, I come back to the 2.3.3 version. The search button is to badly defined. I'm waiting to the next version. Bertrand Why wait? Become a Beta tester. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.5b1 -- SeaMonkey Firefox Support http://support.mozilla.com and http://kb.mozillazine.org/Standard_diagnostic_%28Firefox%29 SeaMonkey Support http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community Stand Alone Profile Manager https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spell-Checking erratic and restricted actions
Ray_Net wrote: I explained what i have done and exprienced. Due to the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 i do a forward instead of a reply and i just type per exemple something like: Hello, Please see my answers in the text of your maik. Best Regard, Ray. And under the forward heading: Original Message Subject: RE: Activité samedi 22 octobre Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:50:35 +0200 From: RandoEvasion c...@rand.be Reply-To: c...@rand.be Organization: Rand To: 'My name' my.m...@scar.be I add a line under some sentence with my reply text. then, when i am happy with the mail, i do a spell-check to discover errors. The spell-check discover maik, highlight it... and i correct it with mail. So far so good, but now the spell-checker goes wrong. It did not highlight a word at all, but show an unexpected word not present in the mail, and after i do ignore, he continue with another unexpected word not present in the mail, i do ignore, and this fancy thing continue forever. The added lines under some sentence of the original mail cannot be checked. But words in error are higlighted with red ~ signs. So i cannot use spell-check under the forward heading. I use under Windows 7 - 32 bits - professionnal the SM version: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Nobody have tried this ? The spell-checker get creasy - i have re-tested on another mail coming from the same guy who uses Outlook. I have re-tested on a mail from guy who use SM - no problem. I have re-tested a reply with a mail from the guy who use Outlook. This time, all seems well, the spell-checker see all errors, except when a do a reply without eliminating the left vertical bar. This is a very complex situation. The result is that the spell-checker did not work correctly if you do a forward or a reply on a received outlook mail. Not correct with a reply and creasy/fancy with a forward. I know that you will *always* blame microsoft, it's your devil :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spell-Checking erratic and restricted actions
Ray_Net wrote: Nobody have tried this ? The spell-checker get creasy - I have a spell in chequer. It came with my PC. It plane lee marks four my revue Miss steaks eye can knot sea. Eye ran this poem threw it, Your shore lea glad two no. Its vary polished in it's weigh. My chequer tolled me sew. [continued at http://www.ahajokes.com/com095.html] With apologies and acknowledgements to Jerrold H Zar, from whom it was stolen and modified. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version
On Oct 7, 7:43 am, WLS wls15...@yahooremove.com wrote: denewton wrote: denewton a écrit : Hello, With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the searchbutton, to get diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again. What is brocken ? sincerly Bertrand Hello, I come back to the 2.3.3 version. Thesearchbuttonis to badly defined. Windows XP SP3, Seamonkey 2.4.1, Search button does NOT go to Google.com Macintosh OS X 10.6.8, Seamonkey 2.4.1 it DOES work and goes to Google.com So the problem some people are seeing is related (possibly) to the OS. not the SM version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restoring bookmarks for upgrade to 2.4.1
On Oct 5, 7:16 pm, M m...@oznet.com.au wrote: Paul wrote: Eventually I'll have to upgrade, but before I do, I really need to know how to retrieve and reactivate bookmarks and the password manager and so on. Using OSX 10.6.8 when I updated from 2.0.14 I had the same problem. I made a copy of the html file from the 2.0.14 profile put it on my desktop then imported it into 2.4.0 password manager. May be other ways to successfully import but this worked for me. What is the full name of the html file you refer to? And where can I find it? Also, where do I find my bookmarks again? I understand the concept of dragging files to the desktop and re-inserting them, but I'm not sure which files to drag out. I really appreciate your help on this. To prevent unwanted upgrade go to Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation and Uncheck 'Allow websites to install updates' and 'Automatically check for updates' I'd always had it checked like that, and thus never had an involuntary installation—until this time. It must have come pre-checked in the upgrade to 2.4 that went so badly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 problems, part I: Mail crashes it all!
Some more tests. I tried and upgraded from 2.0.14 64-bit to 2.4 32-bit. First I launched the browser, installed and removed some addons... Then I launched Mail: it took much time before prompting me for my passwords, and memory usage reached 2 GB! After that first run, I've closed and reopened it. Browser uses around 235 MB, and when I open Mail, it takes an additional 830 MB (merely to start; no open mailboxes). That looks very much! Also, Mail is very long to start (around 40 sec), and once started, CPU usage remains around 25% as long as the box prompting me for my password is open. Then, I close Mail, not the browser: the memory usage stays the same. I think OK, it's just in some kind of background. I open it back: tada! again 40 seconds of waiting, and an *additional* 800 MB of mem used (it's near 1.9 GB now)! So now, guess what happened when I did another round of this (close Mail, open Mail)? Crash! I have only 1 GB of RAM and 2 GB of swap... Taken from http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.4/: --- Mozilla platform changes Drastically improved memory use --- Ouch! -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Towards an alternative way forward for Seamonkey
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 06/10/2011 20:12, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: 1) rapid release tends to promote sloppy work, products not ready for prime time, and poor product reduces market share; Actually, KaiRo argued very convincingly that the rapid release has exactly the opposite effect: http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-08/why_rapid_releases_can_improve_stability Finally got around to reading this. Although there are spots where half-German syntax makes it unreadable (we have switches of some way we can throw) -- Entschuldigung! -- I got enough of the overall gist to understand his points. Robert may well be right that the rapid-release scheme has produced good results, by some objective measure. But that's surprising, and it's not what people here are saying, by and large. The usual expectation, based on experience in a wide variety of fields, is that haste makes waste, so if we see someone rushing and making mistakes, we usually attribute the mistakes to the rushing. So the question here is whether the devs are working too fast in order to meet unreasonable deadlines (and this question should be asked regularly), or whether they're working at a normal, reasonable pace but releasing their work more often, in smaller increments (and expanding the tester base). In the latter case, the second concern I identified still applies -- rapid release forces users to adapt quickly and often, and most users don't like that unless it's for new features important to them. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spell-Checking erratic and restricted actions
Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I explained what i have done and exprienced. Due to the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 i do a forward instead of a reply and i just type per exemple something like: Hello, Please see my answers in the text of your maik. Best Regard, Ray. And under the forward heading: Original Message Subject: RE: Activité samedi 22 octobre Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:50:35 +0200 From: RandoEvasion c...@rand.be Reply-To: c...@rand.be Organization: Rand To: 'My name' my.m...@scar.be I add a line under some sentence with my reply text. then, when i am happy with the mail, i do a spell-check to discover errors. The spell-check discover maik, highlight it... and i correct it with mail. So far so good, but now the spell-checker goes wrong. It did not highlight a word at all, but show an unexpected word not present in the mail, and after i do ignore, he continue with another unexpected word not present in the mail, i do ignore, and this fancy thing continue forever. The added lines under some sentence of the original mail cannot be checked. But words in error are higlighted with red ~ signs. So i cannot use spell-check under the forward heading. I use under Windows 7 - 32 bits - professionnal the SM version: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Nobody have tried this ? The spell-checker get creasy - i have re-tested on another mail coming from the same guy who uses Outlook. I have re-tested on a mail from guy who use SM - no problem. I have re-tested a reply with a mail from the guy who use Outlook. This time, all seems well, the spell-checker see all errors, except when a do a reply without eliminating the left vertical bar. This is a very complex situation. The result is that the spell-checker did not work correctly if you do a forward or a reply on a received outlook mail. Not correct with a reply and creasy/fancy with a forward. I know that you will *always* blame microsoft, it's your devil :-) I tested on Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 and you are correct that spelling checking appears broken on Reply and Forward if you do not have Spellcheck as you type selected. I use spellcheck as you type and have not seen a problem with it, but turned it off to test your complaint. It seems really erratic in it's behavior. And I don't think it is just mail coming from Outlook, I don't think it matters where it came from. In fact I tried it on reply to some of these news posts and it was messed up on them. It doesn't seem to check the quoted text unless you mark the text, and then it doesn't seem to always do the same thing. Very odd behavior and not always the same. Try using spellcheck as you type under Options, it appears to work correctly for me. Jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Towards an alternative way forward for Seamonkey
On 10/7/2011 3:05 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The usual expectation, based on experience in a wide variety of fields, is that haste makes waste, so if we see someone rushing and making mistakes, we usually attribute the mistakes to the rushing. So the question here is whether the devs are working too fast in order to meet unreasonable deadlines (and this question should be asked regularly), or whether they're working at a normal, reasonable pace but releasing their work more often, in smaller increments (and expanding the tester base). In the latter case, the second concern I identified still applies -- rapid release forces users to adapt quickly and often, and most users don't like that unless it's for new features important to them. Just to address these parts here... 1) We are working at the same pace we usually did. The rapid release process gives us some better leeway here for: * We notice things we need to fix in our code a bit earlier. * We actually release all our fixes/changes faster. It is not any different in our overall timing, (I don't see anyone rushing, really.) 2) The releases are *all* addressing security concerns, and in the old system the frequency of security releases was more often ~ every 4 weeks, which is less often than our major releases now. So if you ignore the frustration of addon breakages (a valid concern) is the same experience upgrade frequency wise as now. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spell-Checking erratic and restricted actions
Jim Taylor wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I explained what i have done and exprienced. Due to the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 i do a forward instead of a reply and i just type per exemple something like: Hello, Please see my answers in the text of your maik. Best Regard, Ray. And under the forward heading: Original Message Subject: RE: Activité samedi 22 octobre Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:50:35 +0200 From: RandoEvasion c...@rand.be Reply-To: c...@rand.be Organization: Rand To: 'My name' my.m...@scar.be I add a line under some sentence with my reply text. then, when i am happy with the mail, i do a spell-check to discover errors. The spell-check discover maik, highlight it... and i correct it with mail. So far so good, but now the spell-checker goes wrong. It did not highlight a word at all, but show an unexpected word not present in the mail, and after i do ignore, he continue with another unexpected word not present in the mail, i do ignore, and this fancy thing continue forever. The added lines under some sentence of the original mail cannot be checked. But words in error are higlighted with red ~ signs. So i cannot use spell-check under the forward heading. I use under Windows 7 - 32 bits - professionnal the SM version: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Nobody have tried this ? The spell-checker get creasy - i have re-tested on another mail coming from the same guy who uses Outlook. I have re-tested on a mail from guy who use SM - no problem. I have re-tested a reply with a mail from the guy who use Outlook. This time, all seems well, the spell-checker see all errors, except when a do a reply without eliminating the left vertical bar. This is a very complex situation. The result is that the spell-checker did not work correctly if you do a forward or a reply on a received outlook mail. Not correct with a reply and creasy/fancy with a forward. I know that you will *always* blame microsoft, it's your devil :-) I tested on Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 and you are correct that spelling checking appears broken on Reply and Forward if you do not have Spellcheck as you type selected. I use spellcheck as you type and have not seen a problem with it, but turned it off to test your complaint. It seems really erratic in it's behavior. And I don't think it is just mail coming from Outlook, I don't think it matters where it came from. In fact I tried it on reply to some of these news posts and it was messed up on them. It doesn't seem to check the quoted text unless you mark the text, and then it doesn't seem to always do the same thing. Very odd behavior and not always the same. Try using spellcheck as you type under Options, it appears to work correctly for me. Good idea ...*but* my option spellcheck as you type is set in Edit-Preference-... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spell-Checking erratic and restricted actions
Ray_Net wrote: Jim Taylor wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I explained what i have done and exprienced. Due to the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 i do a forward instead of a reply and i just type per exemple something like: Hello, Please see my answers in the text of your maik. Best Regard, Ray. And under the forward heading: Original Message Subject: RE: Activité samedi 22 octobre Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:50:35 +0200 From: RandoEvasion c...@rand.be Reply-To: c...@rand.be Organization: Rand To: 'My name' my.m...@scar.be I add a line under some sentence with my reply text. then, when i am happy with the mail, i do a spell-check to discover errors. The spell-check discover maik, highlight it... and i correct it with mail. So far so good, but now the spell-checker goes wrong. It did not highlight a word at all, but show an unexpected word not present in the mail, and after i do ignore, he continue with another unexpected word not present in the mail, i do ignore, and this fancy thing continue forever. The added lines under some sentence of the original mail cannot be checked. But words in error are higlighted with red ~ signs. So i cannot use spell-check under the forward heading. I use under Windows 7 - 32 bits - professionnal the SM version: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Nobody have tried this ? The spell-checker get creasy - i have re-tested on another mail coming from the same guy who uses Outlook. I have re-tested on a mail from guy who use SM - no problem. I have re-tested a reply with a mail from the guy who use Outlook. This time, all seems well, the spell-checker see all errors, except when a do a reply without eliminating the left vertical bar. This is a very complex situation. The result is that the spell-checker did not work correctly if you do a forward or a reply on a received outlook mail. Not correct with a reply and creasy/fancy with a forward. I know that you will *always* blame microsoft, it's your devil :-) I tested on Windows 7 SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 and you are correct that spelling checking appears broken on Reply and Forward if you do not have Spellcheck as you type selected. I use spellcheck as you type and have not seen a problem with it, but turned it off to test your complaint. It seems really erratic in it's behavior. And I don't think it is just mail coming from Outlook, I don't think it matters where it came from. In fact I tried it on reply to some of these news posts and it was messed up on them. It doesn't seem to check the quoted text unless you mark the text, and then it doesn't seem to always do the same thing. Very odd behavior and not always the same. Try using spellcheck as you type under Options, it appears to work correctly for me. Good idea ...*but* my option spellcheck as you type is set in Edit-Preference-... I filed a bug - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692976 But as usual, it will died with CLOSED - INVALID or other fancy status. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Towards an alternative way forward for Seamonkey
Interviewed by CNN on 07/10/2011 16:05, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: The usual expectation, based on experience in a wide variety of fields, is that haste makes waste, so if we see someone rushing and making mistakes, we usually attribute the mistakes to the rushing. So the question here is whether the devs are working too fast in order to meet unreasonable deadlines (and this question should be asked regularly), or whether they're working at a normal, reasonable pace but releasing their work more often, in smaller increments (and expanding the tester base). In the latter case, the second concern I identified still applies -- rapid release forces users to adapt quickly and often, and most users don't like that unless it's for new features important to them. It's a perception problem, I agree. Instinctively, it would seem that the rapid-release system would cause more haste and sloppier work. But the instinct is wrong in this case, because it's working from mistaken premises. To draw a very simple parallel, there's very little haste and stress involved in getting on the subway to travel cross-town... because if I miss this train, there will be another a few minutes later, and you can get on it with minimum effort and little lost time. Getting on a plane, OTOH, involves quite a lot of worry and rushing around, because if I miss the plane, there might take hours to get on another one, with considerable annoyance, expenses and lost time. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Starfleet Universal Translator. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.4 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.5b2
Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes states: Fixes in Beta 2 Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in drop-downs) (bug 690267). These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I reported in the 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols thread. Seems like a waste of build effort to fix a bug that is already fixed in 2.5b1. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b2
NoOp wrote: Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes states: Fixes in Beta 2 Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in drop-downs) (bug 690267). These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I reported in the 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols thread. Seems like a waste of build effort to fix a bug that is already fixed in 2.5b1. Well we also match the fixes in Gecko 2.5b2, such as the extension issue that was also fixed in 2.4.1 ;-) (it was not fixed in 2.5b1) And that Insert issue, I saw that you reported it was working for you, but my experience was different (not sure why). I know that Thunderbird fixed it in time for their first beta (they did a respin)... -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b2
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: NoOp wrote: Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes states: Fixes in Beta 2 Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in drop-downs) (bug 690267). These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I reported in the 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols thread. Seems like a waste of build effort to fix a bug that is already fixed in 2.5b1. Well we also match the fixes in Gecko 2.5b2, such as the extension issue that was also fixed in 2.4.1 ;-) (it was not fixed in 2.5b1) And that Insert issue, I saw that you reported it was working for you, but my experience was different (not sure why). I know that Thunderbird fixed it in time for their first beta (they did a respin)... Hrm, just *double* checked with that Insert issue and it does seem like my beta 1 did get the fix, interesting ;-) -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b2
On 10/07/2011 06:50 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: NoOp wrote: Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes states: Fixes in Beta 2 Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in drop-downs) (bug 690267). These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I reported in the 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols thread. Seems like a waste of build effort to fix a bug that is already fixed in 2.5b1. Well we also match the fixes in Gecko 2.5b2, such as the extension issue that was also fixed in 2.4.1 ;-) (it was not fixed in 2.5b1) And that Insert issue, I saw that you reported it was working for you, but my experience was different (not sure why). I know that Thunderbird fixed it in time for their first beta (they did a respin)... Hrm, just *double* checked with that Insert issue and it does seem like my beta 1 did get the fix, interesting ;-) Yes... linux and Windows. As for the 'extension issue' I didn't experience that in 2.5b1 either. But if that is a fix, then perhaps it should be added to: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes as well? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restoring bookmarks for upgrade to 2.4.1
Paul wrote: On Oct 5, 7:16 pm, Mm...@oznet.com.au wrote: Paul wrote: Eventually I'll have to upgrade, but before I do, I really need to know how to retrieve and reactivate bookmarks and the password manager and so on. Using OSX 10.6.8 when I updated from 2.0.14 I had the same problem. I made a copy of the html file from the 2.0.14 profile put it on my desktop then imported it into 2.4.0 password manager. May be other ways to successfully import but this worked for me. What is the full name of the html file you refer to? And where can I find it? Also, where do I find my bookmarks again? I understand the concept of dragging files to the desktop and re-inserting them, but I'm not sure which files to drag out. I really appreciate your help on this. To prevent unwanted upgrade go to Preferences/Advanced/Software Installation and Uncheck 'Allow websites to install updates' and 'Automatically check for updates' I'd always had it checked like that, and thus never had an involuntary installation—until this time. It must have come pre-checked in the upgrade to 2.4 that went so badly. Profile in SM 2.0.14 Users/Library/Mozilla/Profiles/Default/bookmarks.html You now should be able to import this file from the Bookmarks Manager; Browser/Bookmarks/Manage Bookmarks/Tools/Import HTML If this doesn't work open the html folder and highlight your bookmarks, copy and paste them into the appropriate folder, e.g Bookmarks Toolbar Bookmarks Menu. Profile in later versions are not stored in the same place but stored in the Application Support folder; Users/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/Default folder Good luck! M ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols / fix in 2.5b2
Philipp van Hüllen schrieb: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit : I am presented with a selectable base character and then all composite variants thereof : I know of nothing similar in the various Windows IMEs that approaches this in simplicity, so for me it would be /very/ convenient to be able to Insert characters and features in exactly the same way that those who elect to compose in HTML can do. There would seem to be no /a priori/ justification for restricting this feature to mails composed in HTML. I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is dysfunctional in my SM. Unrelated to the original issue discussed, but to spread the good news (it was also mentioned in the 2.5b2 posts tonight): The HTML-context-Insert-menu-special-character dialogue is working in 2.5b2 (was not for me in 2.4.1, Mac OS 10.7; don't know about 2.5b1, as I skipped it due to vacation). BR/Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Moving a folder?
I want to rearrange the position of some folders that are subfolders in my Inbox folder. I just upgraded to SM 2.4.1 and love it, but...there are some oddities that cropped up so I am trying to rearrange things as I like them. This is one of them. Thanks, keith whaley Mac OS 10.6.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
