Re: Google Maps

[Rickles]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2015 11:58 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:


I wonder if anyone else is experiencing trouble recently while
zooming Google Maps in Seamonkey.

In recent months I've noticed erratic zooming in Google Maps with
various browsers, but only in Seamonkey is it so pronounced as to
make Google Maps unusable.

The problem occurs while zooming in with a mouse scroll wheel; the
zoom continues (erratically) after I've reached my desired zoom
level. In Firefox and Chrome, it seems to only zoom one extra zoom
level, but in Seamonkey it will zoom maybe 5 or more zoom levels,
letting me count oranges on the trees when I'm trying to understand
an entire neighborhood.

The problem is limited to Google Maps; I can use the mouse wheel and
the control key to zoom in and out of any other web pages in
Seamonkey without incident.

My mouse is a Logitech Anywhere MX wireless model; running SM 2.26
and Windows XP (yes, I understand the problems with both, but I have
my reasons)


Windows 7 Ultimate
SeaMOnkey 2.26.1
Logitech M100 wired mouse

I do not see a problem with zooming either the map or the satellite view
of my own home.



Thanks -- I'll keep experimenting and see if I can isolate this problem;
it may be unique to my setup

If it does the same thing at all, less or more frequently than in SM, 
try updating your mouse driver.  Sometimes something that simple can 
make all the difference.

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Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see

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Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Philip Taylor wrote:



Rufus wrote:


...I'd like to see all of the bugs that are preventing me from using the
Profile Manager fixed, and for SM to actually use my pref setting for
Master Password.

And fix the bug for following on-disk paths for .html files so I can
stop having to use Safari to open my Epson Help manual.


And my wish is even simpler :  that all documented bugs are fixed before
any further development takes place.

Philip Taylor


I agree with Philip Taylor. Let's have no more new stuff until existing
bugs are fixed. My pet bug is 616601 Clicking the Home button creates
duplicates of the already opened tabs. It was reported by me and others
in 2010. According to the bug description, it was broken after Philip
Chee changed something to fix a problem with the middle button on the
mouse. You would think that ticking Replace Tabs in the Preferences
section would take care of this but it just does not work.


This one gets my vote!
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Re: google / amazon

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rjkrjk wrote:

using the current version of SM  (2.25)   with  P4 3.0Ghz 2Gb win xp sp3

when using google to find anything. here's what happens,
not only with 2,.25 but previous versions as well, not that I think it's
a SM problem.

1. google search page... enter information
2. results displayed on google
3. click on a site for the item/info I need on Amazon.com
4. click back ( should go back to #2) but no
5. goes back to #1.. without any previous info entered, a blank google
search page

seems to ONLY happen when accessing amazon
anyone else have this situation, or understand why it may be happening
I've been seeing it as well; can't remember whether it started on v2.24 
or 2.25, but it appears to be from any page that you've reached from 
Google and go back, the Google page shows nearly totally blank.  And 
yes, a refresh does restore the page as it was supposed to be.


My user string: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:28.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0 SeaMonkey/2.25

(Win7 Pro x64, patched; SM 2.25)
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Re: Mozilla is claiming Java outdated when it is the latest version

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/22/2014 6:50 PM, Desiree wrote:

Mozilla's check your plugins page is claiming that Java 7 update 51 is
outdated.  This is on my XP Pro machine using the latest version of
SeaMonkey.

Java 8 is out only at Oracle's download page (not on java.com for
several  more weeks).  Further, Oracle is NOT supporting Java 8 on XP
computers.

So, why do I get an erroneous message?

On Windows 8 Pro computer, I get the same erroneous message for
SeaMonkey 2.25 (and for Fx 24.4 ESR).

I upgraded on Windows 8 computer to Java 8 and had to use system restore
to get back to Java 7 update 51.  Java 8 does not work with my Java
speedtests. The only reason I have Java installed is for speed tests.

Java 7 is being supported for at least another year by Oracle for
security patches so there is no reason at all  for Mozilla to claim Java
7 update 51 is outdated on either version of Windows.



Windows 7 (x64)
SeaMonkey 2.25
Java 7 u51 (properties 7.0.510.13)

According to http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp, my Java is
current and No out-of-date versions of Java were found.

I'm running Win7 Pro SP1 x64 with 64-bit Java installed (java 7 u51) and 
SM 2.25, same thing.  Tried installing the 32-bit Java of the same 
version, their install identifies the 64-bit already in place, asks for 
confirmation to overwrite the existing install.  I said no.  But SM 
still says I'm not up to date with Java.

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Re: Mozilla is claiming Java outdated when it is the latest version

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Rob wrote:

Rickles rick-sharrem...@thismrasars.plus.com wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/22/2014 6:50 PM, Desiree wrote:

Mozilla's check your plugins page is claiming that Java 7 update 51 is
outdated.  This is on my XP Pro machine using the latest version of
SeaMonkey.

Java 8 is out only at Oracle's download page (not on java.com for
several  more weeks).  Further, Oracle is NOT supporting Java 8 on XP
computers.

So, why do I get an erroneous message?

On Windows 8 Pro computer, I get the same erroneous message for
SeaMonkey 2.25 (and for Fx 24.4 ESR).

I upgraded on Windows 8 computer to Java 8 and had to use system restore
to get back to Java 7 update 51.  Java 8 does not work with my Java
speedtests. The only reason I have Java installed is for speed tests.

Java 7 is being supported for at least another year by Oracle for
security patches so there is no reason at all  for Mozilla to claim Java
7 update 51 is outdated on either version of Windows.



Windows 7 (x64)
SeaMonkey 2.25
Java 7 u51 (properties 7.0.510.13)

According to http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp, my Java is
current and No out-of-date versions of Java were found.


I'm running Win7 Pro SP1 x64 with 64-bit Java installed (java 7 u51) and
SM 2.25, same thing.  Tried installing the 32-bit Java of the same
version, their install identifies the 64-bit already in place, asks for
confirmation to overwrite the existing install.  I said no.  But SM
still says I'm not up to date with Java.


And when you install Java 8 ?  Does that help?

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre8-downloads-2133155.html

No I hadn't, since the Java site didn't say anything about a major 
version change.  Not sure that's such a good idea due to 1 site the wife 
uses daily with heavy Java--updates have broken the games on more than 
one occasion.  May try it later.

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Re: IE Tab + 2.04.20110724

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Dennis wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

WaltS wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I have the extension IE Tab + Version 2.04.20110724 installed on SM
2.24
sometime in the last few updates, IE Tabs has stopped working
correctly.
If I go to lets say Google.com using SM without IE Tab everything works
just fine. However, if I go to the status line in the lower right
corner
of the screen and click on switch rendering engine it switches.
However,
I get a blank screen, I do however, get the IE icon on the URL address
line. Clicking on switch rendering engine again does not switch if back
to SM mode.

Any suggestion on a way to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Danny



Try IE Tab V2?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/ie-tab-2-sm-20/?src=ss



OK I have removed my version IE Tab + Version 2.04.20110724, which I
would have though was version 2 hence the 2.04.20110724. I then
installed I then installed IE Tab 2. Everything install OK however, I do
not have IE Tab icon in the Bookmark Toolbar or in the status/quick
launch bar as I did before. So even though it installed I can not use to
may to switch rendering engine.

Anymore thoughts on this?

Danny


The only version I've found to work with SM is IE Tab 2 v4.12.22.2. This
works for me on all my PC's.


And where can you find this version?



https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/ie-tab-2-sm-20/versions/

Thanks, Dennis.  The v4.x link works fine, but v5.x installs without 
incident, then doesn't work.  It's options are available thru Add-On 
Mgr, but no context menu options come up.  Make sure you're not 
auto-updating your add-ons, or v5 will overwrite the v4 you just got 
working, and it'll stop working again.

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Re: Spell Check window size

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Rickles wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Bug 531833 calls out the spell check window placement;
Bugs 910700, 928867, 931268, 942459 and 943724 all describe the window
height issue.  The BZ list shows the product as Thunderbird in all
cases, but text in at least a couple of the bugs shows an SM user
string.


In case what you see is bug 942548, this might be fixed soon.

HTH

Jens


Many thanks Jens; didn't see that one in my search.  Sounds like it's
the one, all right.  While it is an annoyance rather than a serious
failure, I certainly appreciate the work being put in.

Rickles.
Many thanks to the developers, it appears this issue has been resolved 
with the 2.24 update.  Just updated, and noticed mail spelling window is 
no longer truncated.  Much appreciated.


Rickles.
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Re: A very strange failure ...

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HenriK wrote:

Last month, I experienced a PC malfunction on my main PC that I have
never encountered before.  Although I have been around long enough to
have owned PCs from the original IBM PC onwards, I have never really
understood the Windows OS very well.  Today's NT-based Windows OS leaves
me utterly confused.  I have no idea as to whether my problem is a
Windows problem, a SeaMonkey e-mail problem, a hardware problem, or some
combination of all three.  Accordingly, I need some advice, either
on-list or off list and at no more than a moderately complex level, to
assist me in sorting out what happened and how to restore my main PC to
proper operating condition.

The PC at issue is a 32 bit Dell Precision 650 with dual 3.2 gHz CPUs
running XP-Pro SP3, fully updated as of 11-30-2013.  My browser/e-mail
client is SeaMonkey, v.2.21.

Because of advice given to me early in my PC history, I have long had
the habit of dividing my hard drives into fairly small partitions to
facilitate easier backup (i.e., I have the SeaMonkey executables and
e-mail files in a partition shared with nothing else).  Another
partition is devoted only to Microsoft Office executables and files and
my C:\ partition only contains the OS and its files plus those
application files that must reside in the same partition as the OS).

The first hint that something was going wrong came as I logged out of
the SeaMonkey e-mail client and an error message flashed for an instant
saying something about '... delayed write ...' (details of the error
message were not caught) and the PC rebooted.  As the PC rebooted, the
OS indicated that two partitions (the partition containing the SeaMonkey
files and the partition containing the Microsoft Office files) needed to
be evaluated 'for consistency', whatever that means.  When I tried to
re-initiate the SeaMonkey e-mail client, it didn't work, referring me to
the SeaMonkey wizard asking that I establish an e-mail account.  As
there had been four e-mail accounts just a few minutes prior to whatever
went wrong, I used Windows Explorer to look at what files were actually
still in my SeaMonkey partition.  It seemed that everything that should
have been in the partition, so far as I could remember, was still there
(including my substantial archive of the actual e-mail messages).  In
addition, I found a new file with a bunch of zeros in the name which I
think I have seen on other failure occasions called 'lost chains',
whatever that means.  I quickly copied all of the e-mail message files
to a CD-R and turned the PC off.

In the past couple of days, I have begun trying to sort out what
happened.  When I start the PC, the OS indicates that two partitions
(the partition containing the SeaMonkey files and the partition
containing the Microsoft Office files) need to be evaluated 'for
consistency' but doesn't write anything additional to the SeaMonkey
partition and has never added anything to the Microsoft Office
partition.  Does this mean that the OS has found something wrong with
the file indexes in those two partitions?  How do I fix this problem?
Everything else on the PC - including the Microsoft Office partition -
appears to operate properly.  Alternatively, do I have to reformat the
two partitions at issue and reinstall all of the software in those two
partitions or what?  Could this problem be an indication of an impending
hard drive failure?  Is this really a Microsoft OS problem and should I
refer my dilemma to a Microsoft forum?  Why are at least some of my
e-mail initiation [profile (?)] files now apparently missing?  Could it
have been something that I can't imagine?  Help!
To reiterate what Trane Francks says, at least 1 hard drive is on the 
edge of failure.  If the 2 volumes/partitions (1 for SM, one for Office) 
are on the same physical HDD mechanism, it's failing.  If they're on 
separate mechanisms, you've got 2 of them failing.  Since you've burned 
your email file structure to CD, that's safe.  I'd grab the rest of your 
profile folder as a whole (but not the Cache) and export it to CD as 
well.  Once the hard drive is replaced, reinstall SM, then copy the 
profile back, then use SM's profile manager to add a new profile, but 
point the wizard at the folder with your restored profile in it.  And 
you're back in business.

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Re: Appcrash issue

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Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/14 07:51, Rickles wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 20/01/14 03:10, Rickles wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23

Realise this is probably something on my PC rather than in internal SM
fault, but I'm struggling to find a reason: randomly when *closing* SM,
I get a Windows application error popup window.  Application Event logs
in Windows shows 2 consecutive events, id 1000 and 1001.  They show the
faulting app is seamonkey.exe, version 26.0.0.5092, and the faulting
module is xul.dll, same version.  The exception code is c005.

SM runs normally, pages render as expected, etc.  I usually have both a
mail  browser window open at the same time, but it doesn't seem to
matter whether or not that's true.  It's only when closing the browser
when this happens.

Here's the txt of the Windows Error Reporting event entry (ID 1001):

Log Name:  Application
Source:Windows Error Reporting
Date:  19/01/2014 15:55:24
Event ID:  1001
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords:  Classic
User:  N/A
Computer:  snipped
Description:
Fault bucket , type 0
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: seamonkey.exe
P2: 26.0.0.5092
P3: 52a7f685
P4: xul.dll
P5: 26.0.0.5092
P6: 52a7f5d7
P7: c005
P8: 00cccdb1
P9:
P10:

I'm also having issues with Adobe Reader on the same PC, but I'm having
the same lack of progress trying to diagnose that.  Versions X or
XI, it
makes no difference (tried both, one at a time).  They crash within a
minute of opening; SM browser crashes when it's closed.

Drivers  firmware are up date across the board, so I'm getting
desperate.  All suggestions entertained.


Rickles, can you have a look at Tools-Web Development-Error Console
and hit the Clear button.

Then, the next time you have your problem when closing SM, re-start SM
and see what is posted in the Error Console, even posting the last entry
here so the Dev's might be able to check it out for you.


I think these errors are related to Flash (did it with v11.9, now does
it with v12.0).  I've seen articles about other issues people have had,
but never had an issue till now.  I managed to get SM to fail at
closing, while a Flash video from the BBC news site was playing.  The
application crash recurred, and the only Error statement in the console
was this:

Timestamp: 20/01/2014 20:44:06
Error: DEPRECATION WARNING: nsIContentPrefService is deprecated. Please
use nsIContentPrefService2 instead.
You may find more details about this deprecation at:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIContentPrefService2


chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js 70 FullZoom_destroy
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js 392
unregisterZoomManager
null 0 null

Source File: resource://gre/modules/Deprecated.jsm
Line: 79

I'll have to see if the same thing keeps ocurring.  FYI: my wife's
laptop (Win7 Home Premium) with the same SM install but older Flash
isn't experiencing this behavior.

Rick.


Rickles, thanks for that post, maybe somebody will be able to interpret
it and tell you what to do, apart from just to use an older Flash!

I do recall posts of problems about closing SM (or was it Moz suite, or
even Netscape suite) whilst actively downloading Flash files! Apparently
closing the browser doesn't actually cause the file download to stop. ;-(

I've been using this suite rather than the MS products since the 
Netscape days, but I don't recall the behavior you mention.  Wouldn't 
surprise me, tho.  I'll keep looking at those logs to see if any more 
info comes to light (unless the devs say that Flash is still using a 
function that they should have retired!)

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Re: Appcrash issue

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Daniel wrote:

On 20/01/14 03:10, Rickles wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23

Realise this is probably something on my PC rather than in internal SM
fault, but I'm struggling to find a reason: randomly when *closing* SM,
I get a Windows application error popup window.  Application Event logs
in Windows shows 2 consecutive events, id 1000 and 1001.  They show the
faulting app is seamonkey.exe, version 26.0.0.5092, and the faulting
module is xul.dll, same version.  The exception code is c005.

SM runs normally, pages render as expected, etc.  I usually have both a
mail  browser window open at the same time, but it doesn't seem to
matter whether or not that's true.  It's only when closing the browser
when this happens.

Here's the txt of the Windows Error Reporting event entry (ID 1001):

Log Name:  Application
Source:Windows Error Reporting
Date:  19/01/2014 15:55:24
Event ID:  1001
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords:  Classic
User:  N/A
Computer:  snipped
Description:
Fault bucket , type 0
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: seamonkey.exe
P2: 26.0.0.5092
P3: 52a7f685
P4: xul.dll
P5: 26.0.0.5092
P6: 52a7f5d7
P7: c005
P8: 00cccdb1
P9:
P10:

I'm also having issues with Adobe Reader on the same PC, but I'm having
the same lack of progress trying to diagnose that.  Versions X or XI, it
makes no difference (tried both, one at a time).  They crash within a
minute of opening; SM browser crashes when it's closed.

Drivers  firmware are up date across the board, so I'm getting
desperate.  All suggestions entertained.


Rickles, can you have a look at Tools-Web Development-Error Console
and hit the Clear button.

Then, the next time you have your problem when closing SM, re-start SM
and see what is posted in the Error Console, even posting the last entry
here so the Dev's might be able to check it out for you.

Many thanks for the suggestion.  Since my posting, I thought I had a 
lead on being able to reproduce the issue, but no such luck.  I'll keep 
trying, though.  That error console gets a lot of entries quickly, 
doesn't it?  Shows how badly most pages seem to be written.

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Re: Appcrash issue

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Daniel wrote:

On 20/01/14 03:10, Rickles wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23

Realise this is probably something on my PC rather than in internal SM
fault, but I'm struggling to find a reason: randomly when *closing* SM,
I get a Windows application error popup window.  Application Event logs
in Windows shows 2 consecutive events, id 1000 and 1001.  They show the
faulting app is seamonkey.exe, version 26.0.0.5092, and the faulting
module is xul.dll, same version.  The exception code is c005.

SM runs normally, pages render as expected, etc.  I usually have both a
mail  browser window open at the same time, but it doesn't seem to
matter whether or not that's true.  It's only when closing the browser
when this happens.

Here's the txt of the Windows Error Reporting event entry (ID 1001):

Log Name:  Application
Source:Windows Error Reporting
Date:  19/01/2014 15:55:24
Event ID:  1001
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords:  Classic
User:  N/A
Computer:  snipped
Description:
Fault bucket , type 0
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: seamonkey.exe
P2: 26.0.0.5092
P3: 52a7f685
P4: xul.dll
P5: 26.0.0.5092
P6: 52a7f5d7
P7: c005
P8: 00cccdb1
P9:
P10:

I'm also having issues with Adobe Reader on the same PC, but I'm having
the same lack of progress trying to diagnose that.  Versions X or XI, it
makes no difference (tried both, one at a time).  They crash within a
minute of opening; SM browser crashes when it's closed.

Drivers  firmware are up date across the board, so I'm getting
desperate.  All suggestions entertained.


Rickles, can you have a look at Tools-Web Development-Error Console
and hit the Clear button.

Then, the next time you have your problem when closing SM, re-start SM
and see what is posted in the Error Console, even posting the last entry
here so the Dev's might be able to check it out for you.

I think these errors are related to Flash (did it with v11.9, now does 
it with v12.0).  I've seen articles about other issues people have had, 
but never had an issue till now.  I managed to get SM to fail at 
closing, while a Flash video from the BBC news site was playing.  The 
application crash recurred, and the only Error statement in the console 
was this:


Timestamp: 20/01/2014 20:44:06
Error: DEPRECATION WARNING: nsIContentPrefService is deprecated. Please 
use nsIContentPrefService2 instead.
You may find more details about this deprecation at: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIContentPrefService2

chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js 70 FullZoom_destroy
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js 392 unregisterZoomManager
null 0 null

Source File: resource://gre/modules/Deprecated.jsm
Line: 79

I'll have to see if the same thing keeps ocurring.  FYI: my wife's 
laptop (Win7 Home Premium) with the same SM install but older Flash 
isn't experiencing this behavior.


Rick.
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Appcrash issue

[Rickles]

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23


Realise this is probably something on my PC rather than in internal SM 
fault, but I'm struggling to find a reason: randomly when *closing* SM, 
I get a Windows application error popup window.  Application Event logs 
in Windows shows 2 consecutive events, id 1000 and 1001.  They show the 
faulting app is seamonkey.exe, version 26.0.0.5092, and the faulting 
module is xul.dll, same version.  The exception code is c005.


SM runs normally, pages render as expected, etc.  I usually have both a 
mail  browser window open at the same time, but it doesn't seem to 
matter whether or not that's true.  It's only when closing the browser 
when this happens.


Here's the txt of the Windows Error Reporting event entry (ID 1001):

Log Name:  Application
Source:Windows Error Reporting
Date:  19/01/2014 15:55:24
Event ID:  1001
Task Category: None
Level: Information
Keywords:  Classic
User:  N/A
Computer:  snipped
Description:
Fault bucket , type 0
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: seamonkey.exe
P2: 26.0.0.5092
P3: 52a7f685
P4: xul.dll
P5: 26.0.0.5092
P6: 52a7f5d7
P7: c005
P8: 00cccdb1
P9:
P10:

I'm also having issues with Adobe Reader on the same PC, but I'm having 
the same lack of progress trying to diagnose that.  Versions X or XI, it 
makes no difference (tried both, one at a time).  They crash within a 
minute of opening; SM browser crashes when it's closed.


Drivers  firmware are up date across the board, so I'm getting 
desperate.  All suggestions entertained.

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Re: Spell Check window size

[Rickles]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Bug 531833 calls out the spell check window placement;
Bugs 910700, 928867, 931268, 942459 and 943724 all describe the window
height issue.  The BZ list shows the product as Thunderbird in all
cases, but text in at least a couple of the bugs shows an SM user string.


In case what you see is bug 942548, this might be fixed soon.

HTH

Jens

Many thanks Jens; didn't see that one in my search.  Sounds like it's 
the one, all right.  While it is an annoyance rather than a serious 
failure, I certainly appreciate the work being put in.


Rickles.
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Spell Check window size

[Rickles]

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23


Just upgraded from XP to Win7 Pro x64.  Copied my SM profile over to new 
PC with fresh install of SM v2.23.  Mail set to check spelling before 
sending a message, as was under XP.  Under new system, am seeing same 
behavior as reported under Bugzilla thru 4 different references, with a 
call to a 5th: spell check window appears at the screen top-left, and is 
slightly short so that the bottom buttons are cut off by half.  Moving 
the window by even 1 pixel redraws the window at full size.


Bug 531833 calls out the spell check window placement;
Bugs 910700, 928867, 931268, 942459 and 943724 all describe the window 
height issue.  The BZ list shows the product as Thunderbird in all 
cases, but text in at least a couple of the bugs shows an SM user string.


The SM versions shown are pre-2.23.  Doesn't look like anything's been 
solved, but no one's saying anything recent.  Was this suppsed to have 
been fixed?


R.
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Re: Download Mgr fails first time, every time

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 10/16/13, Rickles rick-sharrem...@thismrasars.plus.com wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21; been a Moz/SM user since Moz v1.x

Just upgraded to SM2.21, and used Add-ons Mgr to check for versions of
plugins, etc.  Several plugins req'd updates as well, and that's when I
observed strange behavior with Download Mgr.

Clicked the red 'Update' button for each update req'd (Adobe Rdr,
Shockwave and Flash; JRE) one at a time, knowing I'd get files
downloaded which would require running individually.  Each download
failed the first time from the respective source web page link, then
worked flawlessly when I either re-clicked the 'Update' again, or used
the 'Retry' icon in the DM status window.

I also had the same behavior with a download from a genealogy tool's
website, when I bought a major version upgrade.  Their link opened SM's
Download Mgr, and it failed first time, too.  Again, retrying the
download without closing/reopening windows worked fine.  And this one
was after updating the SM plugins and re-starting the browser.

In each case, the download appears to run right to the end, then fails.


have an a/v installed that takes a while to do a scan?  Try opening
about:config and changing
   browser.download.manager.scanWhenDone
to false  see if that makes a difference

Regards,
Lee


I use AVG (paid version), and it's interface doesn't appear to have
settings which lend themselves to scans of file downloads.  And the CPU
activity doesn't reflect a scan going on. But I've set the config item
as you suggest.  Initial try appears to work.  But it's late, so I'll
have to pick it up tomorrow with more in-depth tests.  Will report back.
  Thanks!
Update: I've changed the pref back to its default, and can't get any 
downloads to fail.  I've made a note of this thread so can re-apply the 
suggested change at will.  thanks again.

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Download Mgr fails first time, every time

[Rickles]

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21; been a Moz/SM user since Moz v1.x


Just upgraded to SM2.21, and used Add-ons Mgr to check for versions of 
plugins, etc.  Several plugins req'd updates as well, and that's when I 
observed strange behavior with Download Mgr.


Clicked the red 'Update' button for each update req'd (Adobe Rdr, 
Shockwave and Flash; JRE) one at a time, knowing I'd get files 
downloaded which would require running individually.  Each download 
failed the first time from the respective source web page link, then 
worked flawlessly when I either re-clicked the 'Update' again, or used 
the 'Retry' icon in the DM status window.


I also had the same behavior with a download from a genealogy tool's 
website, when I bought a major version upgrade.  Their link opened SM's 
Download Mgr, and it failed first time, too.  Again, retrying the 
download without closing/reopening windows worked fine.  And this one 
was after updating the SM plugins and re-starting the browser.


In each case, the download appears to run right to the end, then fails. 
 I've got a 50Mbps down/13Mbps up pipe so bandwidth is NOT an issue.


I have since restarted the browser at least twice since then (not 
counting the overnight shutdown), and I've just verified it still does 
this by going to the Adobe site to re-pull the updates I installed last 
night.  Adobe Rdr failed, then worked.  Surprisingly, the other 2 update 
installers (Shockwave  Flash) worked first time.  Maybe it's the first 
download from an individual web domain (adobe.com, in this case)? 
During yesterday's discovery of this issue, I was closing the source web 
page after each download, but not tonight.


Ran a quick bugzilla search, came up dry.  Any ideas?
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Re: Download Mgr fails first time, every time

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Lee wrote:

On 10/16/13, Rickles rick-sharrem...@thismrasars.plus.com wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21; been a Moz/SM user since Moz v1.x

Just upgraded to SM2.21, and used Add-ons Mgr to check for versions of
plugins, etc.  Several plugins req'd updates as well, and that's when I
observed strange behavior with Download Mgr.

Clicked the red 'Update' button for each update req'd (Adobe Rdr,
Shockwave and Flash; JRE) one at a time, knowing I'd get files
downloaded which would require running individually.  Each download
failed the first time from the respective source web page link, then
worked flawlessly when I either re-clicked the 'Update' again, or used
the 'Retry' icon in the DM status window.

I also had the same behavior with a download from a genealogy tool's
website, when I bought a major version upgrade.  Their link opened SM's
Download Mgr, and it failed first time, too.  Again, retrying the
download without closing/reopening windows worked fine.  And this one
was after updating the SM plugins and re-starting the browser.

In each case, the download appears to run right to the end, then fails.


have an a/v installed that takes a while to do a scan?  Try opening
about:config and changing
   browser.download.manager.scanWhenDone
to false  see if that makes a difference

Regards,
Lee

I use AVG (paid version), and it's interface doesn't appear to have 
settings which lend themselves to scans of file downloads.  And the CPU 
activity doesn't reflect a scan going on. But I've set the config item 
as you suggest.  Initial try appears to work.  But it's late, so I'll 
have to pick it up tomorrow with more in-depth tests.  Will report back. 
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Re: Seamonkey 2.17 breaks IETab+ on Windows

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zane...@gmail.com wrote:

I am not sure if this works for you, but you can try it:

1. Save 
https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net/storage/public-staging/52809/ie_tab-2.04.20110724-fx+sm-windows.xpi
 to your hard drive
2. Unzip the xpi file to a temporary directory
3. Remove Chinese comments from seamonkeyOverlay.js
4. zip the whole temporary directory
5. make sure the file name ends with .xpi and install it

Can you please be a bit more specific about step 3?  Do you mean any 
lines with Chinese characters?  If so, what do those of us without 
Chinese fonts look for?  I see 4 lines that I suspect are comment lines 
as they start with // , and there's at least 1 garbage character to 
the right of that beginning.  If so, I see 4 such lines.


Am I right or way off?
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Re: Quote Colors

[Rickles]

Mark Berger wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

Rickles wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

I just started using Quote Colors again; it makes threaded
discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:
Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself
where it
would be visible to others.

So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
missing something?


If you open your Add-ons mgr window, then click on the Options button
for QuoteColors, you'll see the boxes where you can tick to change
the
text color, or not, as well as the background color, etc.

I'm using QC v0.3 on SM 2.16.2 under XP-SP3, and it shows a highlited
bar for each indent, a different color for each indent, and the text
matches the color of the indent bar.

Windows XP SP3  SM 2.16.2
SM disabled my QC v0.3, and it won't reinstall from the website.  Is
there a way to get it to work?


I've got the exact same setup; I reinstalled QC v0.3 this morning from
here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html



Thanks.  That worked.  Now if I could find the equivalent of a SeaTabX
that worked, things would be back to normal.

By itself, SeatabX works.  If you move tabs a lot with drag-n-drop, then
SeatabX will make that awkward.  I don't move tabs around, so I'm still
using SeatabX.


I understand about moving tabs.  I really only want the little 'x' to
close a tab.  But I can't install it from tom-cat.com.  Is there a URL
to get it from that will install?

TIA
Found it at this link: 
'http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#quotecolors'.  It's 
been modified to report compatibility up to SM version 3, so you should 
be fine for a while.

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Re: Quote Colors

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BIll Spikowski wrote:

I just started using Quote Colors again; it makes threaded
discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:












Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself where it
would be visible to others.

So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
missing something?

If you open your Add-ons mgr window, then click on the Options button 
for QuoteColors, you'll see the boxes where you can tick to change the 
text color, or not, as well as the background color, etc.


I'm using QC v0.3 on SM 2.16.2 under XP-SP3, and it shows a highlited 
bar for each indent, a different color for each indent, and the text 
matches the color of the indent bar.

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Re: Quote Colors

[Rickles]

Mark Berger wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

Rickles wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

I just started using Quote Colors again; it makes threaded
discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:
Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself where it
would be visible to others.

So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
missing something?


If you open your Add-ons mgr window, then click on the Options button
for QuoteColors, you'll see the boxes where you can tick to change the
text color, or not, as well as the background color, etc.

I'm using QC v0.3 on SM 2.16.2 under XP-SP3, and it shows a highlited
bar for each indent, a different color for each indent, and the text
matches the color of the indent bar.

Windows XP SP3  SM 2.16.2
SM disabled my QC v0.3, and it won't reinstall from the website.  Is
there a way to get it to work?


I've got the exact same setup; I reinstalled QC v0.3 this morning from
here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html



Thanks.  That worked.  Now if I could find the equivalent of a SeaTabX
that worked, things would be back to normal.
By itself, SeatabX works.  If you move tabs a lot with drag-n-drop, then 
SeatabX will make that awkward.  I don't move tabs around, so I'm still 
using SeatabX.

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 09/03/2013 20:41, Rickles told the world:


According to the Add-Ons search, the closest thing is a right-click menu
tool that is accessed anywhere inside the tab window of the page being
viewed, to close that page.  But I agree, the X on the tab name is the
simplest, most direct and obvious means of closing any tab at any time.
   EVERY single other implementation, internal to SM or any add-on, makes
it so that you have to have focus on the tab you want to close, before
you can close it.
I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, but this flies in
the face of that.  I wish I had the time to become a programmer so I
could write my own such tool, but it's just not possible.
It would help my understanding if someone involved in the coding or
review process could explain the logic of using 2 steps to take the
action instead of one.  Takers?



Have you tried middle-clicking on the tab?

No I haven't, simply because I use the middle (mouse wheel) button as a 
double-click action, to save wear  tear on the left button.  I've had 
to replace too many mice because the left button wears out before 
anything else on the mouse, so my current Logitech mouse is set up so I 
click one button, one time to single-click (left),and one other button, 
one time to double-click.  More efficient that way.  Right-click is 
always as expected.


But if I have to re-organize my entire operating method because a choice 
has been made that makes it more labor-intensive to do something when it 
should be less so (do the PCs work for us, or the other way around?), 
then I have to question the overall direction the development is going 
to go.  Forgive me for being confrontational, but didn't FF make such an 
impact on the IE market share because FF did NOT make those sorts of 
decisions when it first came out?  I must admit I've never used FF on my 
systems, it's always been Netscape/Mozilla/SM, just so I don't have to 
use IE.  (IE is a pain to administer at work, therefore I refuse to use 
it at home.)  And since the SM project is a follow-on from FF, we lucky, 
dedicated fewer users reap those same benefits.


I sincerely appreciate the job that volunteer programmers do to keep 
this project alive despite what might sound like nothing but complaints 
from users/trolls like me, but when basic functions like closing a 
single tab without having to select it first (which is how it used to 
work) are taken away without an operational reason defined, or the 
long-term bug where clicking the Home button adds new tabs no matter the 
preference setting for replacing tabs (bugzilla # escapes me, but which 
means the GUI doesn't control the shell despite what the screen tells 
the user) become the norm, I gotta wonder who's driving?


At this point, I wouldn't even mind paying for an alternate to the MS 
product, if it worked as advertised and changes meant moving forwards in 
some logical progression.  I like the suite of tools, not just a 
browser, and with TB slowly on it's way out of further progression (also 
which I've never used), I'm fairly entrenched in using SM.  But I'm 
concerned, too.

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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Jim Taylor wrote:

Rickles wrote:


According to the Add-Ons search, the closest thing is a right-click
menu tool that is accessed anywhere inside the tab window of the page
being viewed, to close that page.  But I agree, the X on the tab name
is the simplest, most direct and obvious means of closing any tab at
any time.  EVERY single other implementation, internal to SM or any
add-on, makes it so that you have to have focus on the tab you want to
close, before you can close it.
I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, but this flies in
the face of that.  I wish I had the time to become a programmer so I
could write my own such tool, but it's just not possible.
It would help my understanding if someone involved in the coding or
review process could explain the logic of using 2 steps to take the
action instead of one.  Takers?


This has been discussed before.  The current way of having the tab close
X at a fixed position on the far right of the tab bar works better for
the way many people use the browser (including me) than having it on
each tab the way Firefox does.  And having it on the tab also takes up
more room on the tab bar leaving less for tabs.

For example, if I go to a page of headlines I'll open links to things I
want to read in new tabs.  Then I'll go to the last tab and read it.
  When done I will close the tab and the next one will automatically get
the focus,  I don't have to move the mouse cursor off the close x.  I
can read all the tabs and close them without any mouse movement and only
a click when I'm done.  I do the same thing with forums, scroll down the
new posts screen and open any that interest me in new tabs and read them
and close in order.

Let me pose a question to you.  Why would you want to close a tab that
doesn't have the focus?  I'm not sure I can understand why someone
wouldn't  close tabs when they were done with them and they still have
the focus instead of coming back later to close them when they no longer
had the focus.

Quite simply because if I know I don't have any further reason for a 
particular tab being open, and it's not currently selected, why can't I 
close it without having to select it?  These things used to work that way.


I can read the titles, and I simply will not have more than approx. 8 
tabs open at the same time, so it's not difficult to keep track mentally 
of what each one is.  I have learned over time that it's a waste of time 
 effort to have to juggle too many tabs in the browser, such that the 
tab titles are all invisible due to bunching too many together.  It's 
like too many windows open in the task bar in Windows.  I'm forever 
having to 'solve' a user's problems at work with PC performance or 
program conflicts, and it's always the same--they have so many windows 
open, a lot of them duplicates, that their PC grinds to a halt.  Like 
having the same Windows Explorer folder open in 4 places, making a 
change in one, then later focusing on another and not seeing the change 
because that window hasn't refreshed for some reason.


PCs are here to work for us, not the other way around.  And why should 
we work harder, why can't we work smarter?

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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Jim Taylor wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



n...@likely.com.invalid wrote:


This has been discussed before.  The current way of having the tab close
X at a fixed position on the far right of the tab bar works better for
the way many people use the browser (including me) than having it on
each tab the way Firefox does.


For many people.  Could you adduce some statistics
to support that statement ?

Philip Taylor


No, I know of no workflow or usability studies that actually provide
statistics.  My statement was based on user observation and comments in
past discussions of this issue.  Perhaps For some people would have
been a better choice of words.  But it would be really interesting to
see actually statistics on what percentage of time people close a tab
that does not have the focus versus closing the currently active tab.

Probably the best solution is to give the user a choice thru a
preference (browser.tabs.closeButton) of how they want the close button
displayed, as Firefox does
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.tabs.closeButtons .  Actually
SeaMonkey has that preference but I don't know if it actually supports
the other options.  As I prefer the way it is (default option 3) I have
never tried any of the other to see if they are supported or not.

The mozilla KB article says that option only applies to FF, and my own 
experimentation just now backs that up: changing that perf thru 
'about:config' then restarting the browser has no effect, no matter what 
value is set.  If there are other prefs which must be set at the same 
time to make it work, the KB article doesn't say anything else.  And 
searching for a relevant SM article comes up blank.


That one function I find so convenient is one thing I loved about 
MultiZilla, when it was available for the predecessors to the current 
SM.  I was so happy to find SeaTab X, and now that's not supported any 
more.  And it's available by choice for FF, and even IE uses it by 
default.  Granted, you have to focus on the tab, but at least your eyes 
and the cursor are at the right place on-screen to make use of it, 
rather than having to look elsewhere or use a third action by 
right-clicking and selecting another menu option.


I say again that SM users are being forced to use this application in a 
way that is leaving them with less choice than before, instead of more. 
 I realise that there must be trade-offs between what to code and what 
to leave off, but since this is based on FF, and FF allows this choice, 
who decided that SM users would not be permitted to make the same 
informed choice?

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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David E. Ross wrote:



Frankly, I prefer the current capability.  It means that the tab whose
page I see is the tab that will be closed.  It also means that, when I
select the X button on the far right, I am unlikely to select a tab
adjacent to the current tab by having my cursor positioned incorrectly.

So what we have now is different users wishing to choose how the tab 
closure should work in their own situations, but what is available in FF 
isn't in SM.  Our choices have been limited, which is a step back.

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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Mark Berger wrote:

SM 2.16.1
Windows XP SP3

Has anyone noticed a change in the results when moving tabs?  When
several tabs are opened, clicking on a tab and dragging it to another
position, indicated by an arrow above the tab, used to just move the tab
to the indicated position.  Now when I click on a tab, the arrow can be
moved either to the middle of another tab, in which case the moved tab
replaces the tab the arrow is over, or the arrow can be moved between
tabs, in which case the moved tab is duplicated in the new position.
It's the duplicating that's a problem.  I want to just move the tab, not
copy it.

My settings under Preferences/Browser/Tabbed browsing:

Checked:
 Hide tab bar when only one tab is open
 Switch to new tabs opened from links

Replace existing tabs

Open tabs...
 Middle-click...
 Ctrl+Enter...

TIA
Also useing SM 2.61.1, XP-SP3, and I can duplicate this.  Using Classic 
Firefox Theme for SM v0.0.10, and SeaTab X v1.1.3 plugins.
Disabling/removing the Classic FF theme makes no difference, but killing 
the SeaTab X plugin does.  It appears THAT is the culprit, but since 
I've never used the 'move tabs' function, I've never verified that.  If 
you're using the same or some other plugins associated with tabs and 
their controls (closing/renaming/resizing,coloring, etc.) then try 
disabling those to work out which one(s) is affecting the behavior.

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Re: Change in 'Move Tab' behavior

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Mark Berger wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

SM 2.16.1
Windows XP SP3

Has anyone noticed a change in the results when moving tabs?  When
several tabs are opened, clicking on a tab and dragging it to another
position, indicated by an arrow above the tab, used to just move the tab
to the indicated position.  Now when I click on a tab, the arrow can be
moved either to the middle of another tab, in which case the moved tab
replaces the tab the arrow is over, or the arrow can be moved between
tabs, in which case the moved tab is duplicated in the new position.
It's the duplicating that's a problem.  I want to just move the tab, not
copy it.

My settings under Preferences/Browser/Tabbed browsing:

Checked:
 Hide tab bar when only one tab is open
 Switch to new tabs opened from links

Replace existing tabs

Open tabs...
 Middle-click...
 Ctrl+Enter...

TIA

Also useing SM 2.61.1, XP-SP3, and I can duplicate this.  Using Classic
Firefox Theme for SM v0.0.10, and SeaTab X v1.1.3 plugins.
Disabling/removing the Classic FF theme makes no difference, but killing
the SeaTab X plugin does.  It appears THAT is the culprit, but since
I've never used the 'move tabs' function, I've never verified that.  If
you're using the same or some other plugins associated with tabs and
their controls (closing/renaming/resizing,coloring, etc.) then try
disabling those to work out which one(s) is affecting the behavior.


Thanks for the help.  SeaTab X is the culprit.  Disabling it restores
tab behavior to normal.  Found this on the SeaTab X web site:

Development ended on Mostly Crystal and all extensions as of SeaMonkey
version 2.15.
All theme and extension files are no longer available.

I really liked the little x on the tab that closed it.  Anyone know of
an add-on that works with 2.16.1, at least for the next 6 weeks?

According to the Add-Ons search, the closest thing is a right-click menu 
tool that is accessed anywhere inside the tab window of the page being 
viewed, to close that page.  But I agree, the X on the tab name is the 
simplest, most direct and obvious means of closing any tab at any time. 
 EVERY single other implementation, internal to SM or any add-on, makes 
it so that you have to have focus on the tab you want to close, before 
you can close it.
I'm a firm believer in working smarter, not harder, but this flies in 
the face of that.  I wish I had the time to become a programmer so I 
could write my own such tool, but it's just not possible.
It would help my understanding if someone involved in the coding or 
review process could explain the logic of using 2 steps to take the 
action instead of one.  Takers?

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Re: Java is Blocked again today

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/3/13 12:23 PM, Rickles wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world:


My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why
Java works on hers this morning..on pogo
Block list has not been updated more in likely.
Both computers are identical...
But her JAVA is 7u10
Mine is 7u15
I told her not to update her Java .

Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked..

Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever
other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty
FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly .

Let Facebook take care of itself .


I think you misunderstood the issue.

The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers
got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that:

a) There is a bug in Java
b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers.

If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for
worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook
can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect
those small users that the block has been implemented.  So, for the
moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically.

Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of
security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall
security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet
users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to
place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK
from the user every time it is invoked by a site.

Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be
worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically
blocked.


You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the
user.  The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site
which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site
simply fails.  Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow
for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being
prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web
site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all.

The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to
have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least
on my machine at the mo.)  In fact, the 'disable' button is available if
I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running.  But the Pogo
web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run,
and it tells me I haven't got Java installed.

And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface.



When you go to a Web page that uses Java but the blocklist prevents Java
from running, you should see an icon at the left end of the URI bar
(address bar).  The icon resembles a small Lego block.  Click on that
icon to get a pull-down menu to override the blocklist for that Web
page.  No, this is NOT intuitive and definitely NOT user-oriented.  And
no, I know of no way to undo the override.

And THAT's what I hadn't seen before in any previous posts!  Thank you 
for that head's up.  At least it is site-specific, so the wife can carry 
on playing her games.

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Re: Java is Blocked again today

[Rickles]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world:


   My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why
Java works on hers this morning..on pogo
   Block list has not been updated more in likely.
Both computers are identical...
   But her JAVA is 7u10
   Mine is 7u15
   I told her not to update her Java .

   Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked..

   Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever
other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty
FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly .

   Let Facebook take care of itself .


I think you misunderstood the issue.

The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers
got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that:

a) There is a bug in Java
b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers.

If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for
worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook
can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect
those small users that the block has been implemented.  So, for the
moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically.

Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of
security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall
security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet
users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to
place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK
from the user every time it is invoked by a site.

Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be
worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically
blocked.

You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the 
user.  The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site 
which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site 
simply fails.  Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow 
for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being 
prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web 
site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all.


The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to 
have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least 
on my machine at the mo.)  In fact, the 'disable' button is available if 
I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running.  But the Pogo 
web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, 
and it tells me I haven't got Java installed.


And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface.
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Re: Java is Blocked again today

[Rickles]

It's possible that -- beyond the default click-to-run imposed by the
block list -- you have your Java plugin manually set to disabled in
the Add-Ons Manager. Why it got that way, I have no idea. But do check
that. I saw a computer like that a few days ago -- after manually
enabling the Java plugin, the click-to-run behavior started to work as
designed.

It's possible that you may have to disable, then re-enable Java. I don't
remember what I did exactly to fix it.

My Java plugin is ENabled, because the DISable button is visible.  If I 
click DISable, the plugin status immediately changes in the Add-On mgr 
screen to reflect that (button changes to ENable.)  Clicking on ENable 
changes the display status back to the previous warning (but not 
blocked) message.  In either state, the Java-based games won't play from 
Pogo, and a dialog opens to test for the presence of Java, which 
ultimately says I haven't got it.  If I go to about:config to shut the 
blocklist function off, the game plays immediately.


Data Manager entries for Permissions, Cookies, etc., have absolutely no 
effect, since Data Mgr has no interface that relates to plugins.

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Re: Java is Blocked again today

[Rickles]

question wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:



 Original Message 

Se 7 u15  seamonkey 2.16

worked this morning ..

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p294


Why was it blocked?
  Old versions of the Java plugin are potentially insecure and
unstable. All users are strongly recommended to update on our plugin
check page.
Who is affected?
  All users who have these versions of the plugin installed in
Firefox.
What does this mean?

  The problematic add-on or plugin will be automatically disabled
and
no longer usable.
  When Mozilla becomes aware of add-ons, plugins, or other
third-party software that seriously compromises SeaMonkey security,
stability, or performance and meets certain criteria, the software may
be blocked from general use. For more information, please read this
support article.

Blocked on February 25, 2013. View block request.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843373


Bug 843373 - Please Enable CTP for all released versions of Java
Status: VERIFIED FIXED
Whiteboard: [plugin]
Keywords:
Product: addons.mozilla.org
Component: Blocklisting
Version: unspecified
Platform: All All
Importance: -- normal (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assigned To: Nobody; OK to take it and work on it
QA Contact: Paul Silaghi [QA]
URL:
Depends on:
Blocks:
Show dependency tree / graph



Reported: 2013-02-20 15:12 PST by Yvan Boily [:ygjb][:yvan]
Modified: 2013-02-27 07:31 PST (History)
CC List: 22 users (show)
See Also:
Crash Signature:

V.7 update 15 is working for me on one site, but not on another (running
SM 2.15.2, Win7). Recently it was working everywhere. And before that
the same spotty results as today with the same sites working and not
working.

Frankly, using java in SeaMonkey has become an exercise in masochism,
and I've stopped trying.





On Pogo.com Some Games that use Java Work fine, Then other games that is
use Java tells me I need to install JAVA .

  In seamonkey Ad on manager it Tells Me that Java 7 u 15  IS KNOWN TO
BE VULnurable ..  But it is not Disabled ..

In java Consul  Mozilla will not Stay Checked .
Same thing here: SM2.16, Java v7u15: At Pogo game site, Java-based games 
say that Java isn't installed, and SM Add-On Mgr shows Java warning 
about 'MAY BE VULNERABLE', but does not indicate an absolute block.


There's a functino called a Blocklist running in the background in SM. 
The programmers write a listing of versions of assorted 3rd-party 
software (Java, Adobe Flash, whatever) that have known issues, either 
with security and/or SM stability, so that Blocklist listing doc 
contains settings to block SM's use of those applications.  A new 
Blocklist file is downloaded automatically on a regular basis, assuming 
SM is open, so when apps change, the list can be changed and passed on 
without you having to remember to go looking.  You can bypass that if 
you want, BUT YOU ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG.


In the Browser, type 'about:config' in the address bar.  A listing of 
all the settings will appear in the browser window.  In the search bar, 
type 'bocklist', and the list will shorten to include only those 
perferences which have that name in them.  The one you want is 
'extensions.blocklist.enabled'.  The value can only be True of False. 
When it's True, the blocklist stops things.  To change from True to 
False, simply double-click the preference name.  The value will change 
to False, and the entire line will go to BOLD text, to show that it's 
not at its default value.  Your Pogo games should all work now.  THIS 
OPENS YOU UP TO ANY OTHER SITE USING JAVA IN A MALICIOUS MANNER, 
regardless of Pogo's use of Java.

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Signing up to Mail disables Java

[Rickles]

Creating a new thread for previously unsolved problem.  User agent: 
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 
SeaMonkey/2.15.1.


Issue: On versions 2.14 - 2.15.1, SM disables use of Java v7 upd 11, no 
matter what Java security is set to, after first email sync.  On 2 PCs 
(this tower, and a laptop running Win7, SM 2.14, Java 7 upd 11)


Have spent 2 days trying to sort this.  If I create a new profile Java 
works fine, but at some point of restoring settings from previous 
profiles (mail content, bookmarks, etc.), eventually it stopped working 
again.  Thought it was Theme, then one or more add-ons, then bookmarks, 
then old mail.  Finally found it was ANY mail download.


Stripped SM from tower PC: uninstalled, then deleted folders, then 
cleared all SM references out of registry.  Defrag'd HDD, restarted PC. 
 Downloaded new install of SM 2.15.1 using IE, installed.  Created new 
profile in new folder, NOT in default directory.  Made basic changes to 
home page/group, tabbed browsing and cache.  Verified Java functionality 
at wife's favorite game site, uk.Pogo.com.


Went thru new email wizard, manually added all settings for mail server 
access.  Had browser open to Add-Ons Mgr screen to watch Java SE plugin 
status.  First tries to sync w/mail server failed, 'cause I'd mis-typed 
the username.  Fixed that, mail sync'd, Java SE status went red in 
Add-Ons Mgr.


Repeat:  this is a clean install with a new profile; no add-ons or 
themes added, no old content copied from previous profile.


Please!!! I've spent an awful amount of time getting to this point. 
Java themselves don't recommend any prior versions due to security, so 
putting old installs on don't help.  Can someone take pity on this user 
and point out what I may have missed??

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Re: Every version of Javaa disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

I've seen the notices and recommendations about the various Java
security holes.  I understand the concerns.  But there's one site my
wife visits regularly which requires Java, and now won't work on either
our XP-SP3 tower mainframe or a Win7 laptop, both with SM 2.15, because
SM has taken it upon itself to block every Java version back thru v6
Update 38.  The only option available to the user is to disable it in
Add-On Mgr, which is useless since SM has already locked it out.

This is the only site she wants to use which uses Java, so I'd
appreciate any recommendations as to how to turn SOME version of Java
back on in SM.
After 2 days and approx. 15 exercises of starting from scratch with a 
new profile to identify the cause, I've finally found the 
'blocklist.xml' file.  And I've disabled it, per instructions found thru 
a Google search on that file name.  Hopefully, the SM code-makers won't 
include the next Java update in the contents of this list for it's daily 
update download that isn't advertised as running in the background!

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Re: Signing up to Mail disables Java

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Creating a new thread for previously unsolved problem.  User agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15.1.

Issue: On versions 2.14 - 2.15.1, SM disables use of Java v7 upd 11, no
matter what Java security is set to, after first email sync.  On 2 PCs
(this tower, and a laptop running Win7, SM 2.14, Java 7 upd 11)

Have spent 2 days trying to sort this.  If I create a new profile Java
works fine, but at some point of restoring settings from previous
profiles (mail content, bookmarks, etc.), eventually it stopped working
again.  Thought it was Theme, then one or more add-ons, then bookmarks,
then old mail.  Finally found it was ANY mail download.

Stripped SM from tower PC: uninstalled, then deleted folders, then
cleared all SM references out of registry.  Defrag'd HDD, restarted PC.
  Downloaded new install of SM 2.15.1 using IE, installed.  Created new
profile in new folder, NOT in default directory.  Made basic changes to
home page/group, tabbed browsing and cache.  Verified Java functionality
at wife's favorite game site, uk.Pogo.com.

Went thru new email wizard, manually added all settings for mail server
access.  Had browser open to Add-Ons Mgr screen to watch Java SE plugin
status.  First tries to sync w/mail server failed, 'cause I'd mis-typed
the username.  Fixed that, mail sync'd, Java SE status went red in
Add-Ons Mgr.

Repeat:  this is a clean install with a new profile; no add-ons or
themes added, no old content copied from previous profile.

Please!!! I've spent an awful amount of time getting to this point. Java
themselves don't recommend any prior versions due to security, so
putting old installs on don't help.  Can someone take pity on this user
and point out what I may have missed??


After 2 days and approx. 15 exercises of starting from scratch with a 
new profile to identify the cause, I've finally found the 
'blocklist.xml' file.  And I've disabled it, per instructions found thru 
a Google search on that file name.  Hopefully, the SM code-makers won't 
include the next Java update in the contents of this list for it's daily 
update download that isn't advertised as running in the background!

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Re: Win7/SM15/Java7.11 problem

[Rickles]

Jim Dell wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

question wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

On each of two computers, one running XP the other Windows 7, I'm
running Seamonkey 15 and Firefox 18 with Java 7.11 installed. As far
as I know, the settings for Java, and the browser configurations,
are identical, or as close to that as possible, from machine to
machine. On XP everything works fine, but I'm having a Java problem
on Win7. At this site, www.time.gov, on both machines, java in
Seamonkey
asked for permission to run and committed it to memory. So no
problem there. But at this site, www.stockwatch.com, when I tried to
access
streaming quotes (behind a paywall), Seamonkey on Win7 refused to
launch java. Firefox launches java here without a problem.

Security is set to allow popups (required for the java app) at
Stockwatch.com, and the firewall would have given me an option if it
was about to block it, so I'm not sure what else to try.


I've noticed that one other site with a similar application, and
where I would expect the same problem of not being able to launch
java to occur, works OK, so it appears that the above problem may be
site-related.

The newest version of Java .. raises the secrity lever Bat to HIGH
because of Kackers taking control... It checks for Security
Certificates at the web sites. If there expired or have none , it
   will not function.. Click Java in control panel and lower the
security bar to Medium. But download the newest java from Java.com ..
They
also explain this
to you .


Here's a question, question. Why don't I have this problem in Firefox 18,
which is the equivalent level browser to Seamonkey 15, and which I've
configured the same way? Anyway, thanks for the tip.



I can't get 7u11 to work in Firefox, SeaMonkey or Chrome, works okay in IE.
Jim
I'm chasing what amounts to the same issue, now suspect it's something 
in how SM decides/records/reports what versions of plugins are installed 
on the machine.  Looks like it's a carry-over from some previous install 
that went slightly wrong.  My existing thread is 
of-dnumkgvmxfmtnnz2dnuvz_v6dn...@mozilla.org if you want to read.

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Re: Every version of Java disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:


SM 2.15 effectively blocks all versions of JAVA.  Yesterday I
had SM 2.13 installed and running JAVA applets by enabling
JAVA in the Ad-Ons Manager.  Last night I upgraded to SM 2.15
and JAVA applets would not run. ...

Side note:  Internet Explorer, v.8, has no problem with the
latest version of the JAVA plugin.

It is time to jump the sinking ship.  The Mozilla Fire
Breathing Dragon has run out of gas, has lost its spark, and
should be laid to rest with honors.

Thanks for the ride, Mozilla, it has been a fun ride.


On my system, at about:plugins, the plugin is listed with a
bright red message, Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U11 is known to be
vulnerable. Use with caution, followed by a link to More
information, which points here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p182.
Details of the block request are available here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829111. Using SM
2.15, I visited a familiar site that uses a Java applet,
and that part of the page was displayed with a puzzle piece
saying I had to click here to activate plugin. I clicked,
Java started, and it ran normally.

I closed the page (which clears its session cookies) and
returned, logged in all over again, and repeated the procedure.
Once again, I was told I had to click to activate Java. So that
one click did not enable Java globally or permanently.

Accordingly, two points:

1) The problem is not of Mozilla's making, it's a fault with
Oracle's product so it's not fair to blame Mozilla for
protecting you. 2) If you really want to run Java despite its
vulnerability, you can, on demand.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.


The java plugin is enabled without conditions or warnings in my
SM v.15. My experience in activating java on time.gov is like
what you describe. The first time I clicked the box to enable
it, java presented me with an option to remember the permission,
which I selected. The second time it just presented the box, so
there is a glitch somewhere, but at least you can use it in
selected instances if you need to (and some of us do).

I'm not seeing any box, pop-up, pop-under, jigsaw-puzzle
placeholder, nuttin'.  SM Add-On Mgr shows a warning that the
Java (version) is known to be vulnerable.  Use with caution.
Then a link called 'More Information' which takes you to
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p186 (in the
case of Java 1.6_38), and that tells you it's been automatically
disabled and no longer usable.

Back to my original question: how do I turn it back on?  If I'm
supposed to see some dialog box, how do I force THAT on so I can
turn Java back on?


If you install the prefbar extension you can easily access (by one
of several display options) a check box to enable or disable java.
That should do it, but I would upgrade to java 7.11 first.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/prefbar/?src=ss


And based on the recognition problem you're experiencing, I would
completely uninstall the version that you have before installing a
later one. By uninstall I mean a conventional uninstall via
Seamonkey and then go into the Windows file tree and erase all that
detritus.


Sorry for the mistake - my bad: I meant conventional uninstall
through Windows (or Revo), not SeaMonkey.



I had already done the complete cleanup and re-install of the latest
version, but it's not changing anything.  In the Java control panel
applet, I have ticked the box under 'Advanced - Default java for
browsers - Mozilla Family', but as soon as SM opens, the box gets
cleared again.  And using the Pogo site as called out earlier in this
thread, there is no puzzle-piece drawing where I can select and
authorize the use of Java, no matter how I set the security level in
the Java Cntrl Pnl applet.

This is really getting old.


Try re-installing the same version of SeaMonkey over itself.
Longshot, but longshots are all you have left.



OK, think I'm on the right track finally.  I'm documenting below what
process I've gone thru to get this far, but what it boils down to is
something in the current profile which appears to cause a version
reporting issue between installed Java vs how SM reads/reports this.

And no, clearing cookies/cache/etc. has no effect.  Java applet tick
boxes aren't really having any effect, but here's what I do know:

A sterile test profile doesn't have the Java issues--it all works fine.
  Looking at the Plugins list thru Add-on Mgr shows both the current
installed Java version (7 upd 11) and the Java Deployment Toolkit (a
sub-component installed as part of the JRE.)

The troubled profile shows the same 2 components, but the JRE entry
shows a security warning with a web link, and the web link article
states Java functionality has been shut down for my own good.  Makes no
difference

Unbelieveable!!--was Re: Every version of Java disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:


SM 2.15 effectively blocks all versions of JAVA.  Yesterday I
had SM 2.13 installed and running JAVA applets by enabling
JAVA in the Ad-Ons Manager.  Last night I upgraded to SM 2.15
and JAVA applets would not run. ...

Side note:  Internet Explorer, v.8, has no problem with the
latest version of the JAVA plugin.

It is time to jump the sinking ship.  The Mozilla Fire
Breathing Dragon has run out of gas, has lost its spark, and
should be laid to rest with honors.

Thanks for the ride, Mozilla, it has been a fun ride.


On my system, at about:plugins, the plugin is listed with a
bright red message, Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U11 is known to be
vulnerable. Use with caution, followed by a link to More
information, which points here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p182.
Details of the block request are available here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829111. Using SM
2.15, I visited a familiar site that uses a Java applet,
and that part of the page was displayed with a puzzle piece
saying I had to click here to activate plugin. I clicked,
Java started, and it ran normally.

I closed the page (which clears its session cookies) and
returned, logged in all over again, and repeated the procedure.
Once again, I was told I had to click to activate Java. So that
one click did not enable Java globally or permanently.

Accordingly, two points:

1) The problem is not of Mozilla's making, it's a fault with
Oracle's product so it's not fair to blame Mozilla for
protecting you. 2) If you really want to run Java despite its
vulnerability, you can, on demand.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.


The java plugin is enabled without conditions or warnings in my
SM v.15. My experience in activating java on time.gov is like
what you describe. The first time I clicked the box to enable
it, java presented me with an option to remember the permission,
which I selected. The second time it just presented the box, so
there is a glitch somewhere, but at least you can use it in
selected instances if you need to (and some of us do).

I'm not seeing any box, pop-up, pop-under, jigsaw-puzzle
placeholder, nuttin'.  SM Add-On Mgr shows a warning that the
Java (version) is known to be vulnerable.  Use with caution.
Then a link called 'More Information' which takes you to
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p186 (in the
case of Java 1.6_38), and that tells you it's been automatically
disabled and no longer usable.

Back to my original question: how do I turn it back on?  If I'm
supposed to see some dialog box, how do I force THAT on so I can
turn Java back on?


If you install the prefbar extension you can easily access (by one
of several display options) a check box to enable or disable java.
That should do it, but I would upgrade to java 7.11 first.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/prefbar/?src=ss


And based on the recognition problem you're experiencing, I would
completely uninstall the version that you have before installing a
later one. By uninstall I mean a conventional uninstall via
Seamonkey and then go into the Windows file tree and erase all that
detritus.


Sorry for the mistake - my bad: I meant conventional uninstall
through Windows (or Revo), not SeaMonkey.



I had already done the complete cleanup and re-install of the latest
version, but it's not changing anything.  In the Java control panel
applet, I have ticked the box under 'Advanced - Default java for
browsers - Mozilla Family', but as soon as SM opens, the box gets
cleared again.  And using the Pogo site as called out earlier in this
thread, there is no puzzle-piece drawing where I can select and
authorize the use of Java, no matter how I set the security level in
the Java Cntrl Pnl applet.

This is really getting old.


Try re-installing the same version of SeaMonkey over itself.
Longshot, but longshots are all you have left.



OK, think I'm on the right track finally.  I'm documenting below what
process I've gone thru to get this far, but what it boils down to is
something in the current profile which appears to cause a version
reporting issue between installed Java vs how SM reads/reports this.

And no, clearing cookies/cache/etc. has no effect.  Java applet tick
boxes aren't really having any effect, but here's what I do know:

A sterile test profile doesn't have the Java issues--it all works fine.
  Looking at the Plugins list thru Add-on Mgr shows both the current
installed Java version (7 upd 11) and the Java Deployment Toolkit (a
sub-component installed as part of the JRE.)

The troubled profile shows the same 2 components, but the JRE entry
shows a security warning with a web link, and the web link article
states Java functionality has been shut down for my own good.  Makes

Re: Every version of Java disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:


SM 2.15 effectively blocks all versions of JAVA.  Yesterday I had
SM 2.13 installed and running JAVA applets by enabling JAVA in
the Ad-Ons Manager.  Last night I upgraded to SM 2.15 and JAVA
applets would not run. ...

Side note:  Internet Explorer, v.8, has no problem with the
latest version of the JAVA plugin.

It is time to jump the sinking ship.  The Mozilla Fire Breathing
Dragon has run out of gas, has lost its spark, and should be laid
to rest with honors.

Thanks for the ride, Mozilla, it has been a fun ride.


On my system, at about:plugins, the plugin is listed with a bright
red message, Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U11 is known to be
vulnerable. Use with caution, followed by a link to More
information, which points here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p182. Details
of the block request are available here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829111. Using SM
2.15, I visited a familiar site that uses a Java applet,
and that part of the page was displayed with a puzzle piece saying
I had to click here to activate plugin. I clicked, Java started,
and it ran normally.

I closed the page (which clears its session cookies) and returned,
logged in all over again, and repeated the procedure. Once again,
I was told I had to click to activate Java. So that one click did
not enable Java globally or permanently.

Accordingly, two points:

1) The problem is not of Mozilla's making, it's a fault with
Oracle's product so it's not fair to blame Mozilla for protecting
you. 2) If you really want to run Java despite its vulnerability,
you can, on demand.

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The java plugin is enabled without conditions or warnings in my SM
v.15. My experience in activating java on time.gov is like what you
describe. The first time I clicked the box to enable it, java
presented me with an option to remember the permission, which I
selected. The second time it just presented the box, so there is a
glitch somewhere, but at least you can use it in selected instances
if you need to (and some of us do).

I'm not seeing any box, pop-up, pop-under, jigsaw-puzzle
placeholder, nuttin'.  SM Add-On Mgr shows a warning that the Java
(version) is known to be vulnerable.  Use with caution. Then a
link called 'More Information' which takes you to
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p186 (in the case
of Java 1.6_38), and that tells you it's been automatically disabled
and no longer usable.

Back to my original question: how do I turn it back on?  If I'm
supposed to see some dialog box, how do I force THAT on so I can
turn Java back on?


If you install the prefbar extension you can easily access (by one of
several display options) a check box to enable or disable java. That
should do it, but I would upgrade to java 7.11 first.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/prefbar/?src=ss


And based on the recognition problem you're experiencing, I would
completely uninstall the version that you have before installing a
later one. By uninstall I mean a conventional uninstall via Seamonkey
and then go into the Windows file tree and erase all that detritus.


Sorry for the mistake - my bad: I meant conventional uninstall through
Windows (or Revo), not SeaMonkey.


I had already done the complete cleanup and re-install of the latest 
version, but it's not changing anything.  In the Java control panel 
applet, I have ticked the box under 'Advanced - Default java for 
browsers - Mozilla Family', but as soon as SM opens, the box gets 
cleared again.  And using the Pogo site as called out earlier in this 
thread, there is no puzzle-piece drawing where I can select and 
authorize the use of Java, no matter how I set the security level in the 
Java Cntrl Pnl applet.


This is really getting old.
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Every version of Javaa disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

I've seen the notices and recommendations about the various Java 
security holes.  I understand the concerns.  But there's one site my 
wife visits regularly which requires Java, and now won't work on either 
our XP-SP3 tower mainframe or a Win7 laptop, both with SM 2.15, because 
SM has taken it upon itself to block every Java version back thru v6 
Update 38.  The only option available to the user is to disable it in 
Add-On Mgr, which is useless since SM has already locked it out.


This is the only site she wants to use which uses Java, so I'd 
appreciate any recommendations as to how to turn SOME version of Java 
back on in SM.

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Re: Every version of Javaa disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/18/13 9:51 AM, Rickles wrote:

I've seen the notices and recommendations about the various Java
security holes.  I understand the concerns.  But there's one site my
wife visits regularly which requires Java, and now won't work on either
our XP-SP3 tower mainframe or a Win7 laptop, both with SM 2.15, because
SM has taken it upon itself to block every Java version back thru v6
Update 38.  The only option available to the user is to disable it in
Add-On Mgr, which is useless since SM has already locked it out.

This is the only site she wants to use which uses Java, so I'd
appreciate any recommendations as to how to turn SOME version of Java
back on in SM.



Java 7u11 is NOT blocked for SeaMonkey 2.15 under Windows XP.

Begging your pardon, Mr Ross, but if Java weren't blocked, I wouldn't 
have posted the message in the first place.  In point of fact, the 
plug-in is blocked, and the option to ENABLE it is not visible in the 
Add-Ons Mgr screen.  The only button visible is 'Disable', which is what 
I described to begin with.


I can begin to understand the current version of SM blocking Java due 
it's zero-day vulnerability, but if I am supposed to have the option to 
turn it back on, I have no idea how to do that because I can't see or 
find an option anywhere to re-enable it.  And Mr Gordon is accessing the 
same site as my wife, Pogo.com.  So he's seeing the same thing we are. 
And SM is preventing the site from using Java in any version state.


I'm not as prepared to 'jump ship' as Mr Gordon puts it, but either I 
have a fault which prevents me from seeing a re-enable option (help!?), 
or someone has programmed this to take the choice away from me.  Either 
way, I can't there from here.


I don't want to give up SM: I've seen Firefox and I prefer the suite 
verion I use now (and have been using for many years).  And I detest the 
MS product.  It's bad enough I have to put up with it at work, I don't 
want to deal with it at home as well. (I'm an IT system/network admin, 
but not a programmer.)

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Re: Every version of Java disabled by SM!

[Rickles]

Roger Fink wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:


SM 2.15 effectively blocks all versions of JAVA.  Yesterday I had SM
2.13 installed and running JAVA applets by enabling JAVA in the
Ad-Ons Manager.  Last night I upgraded to SM 2.15 and JAVA applets
would not run. ...

Side note:  Internet Explorer, v.8, has no problem with the latest
version of the JAVA plugin.

It is time to jump the sinking ship.  The Mozilla Fire Breathing
Dragon has run out of gas, has lost its spark, and should be laid to
rest with honors.

Thanks for the ride, Mozilla, it has been a fun ride.


On my system, at about:plugins, the plugin is listed with a bright red
message, Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U11 is known to be vulnerable. Use
with caution, followed by a link to More information, which points
here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p182.
Details of the block request are available here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829111.

Using SM 2.15, I visited a familiar site that uses a Java applet, and
that part of the page was displayed with a puzzle piece saying I had
to click here to activate plugin. I clicked, Java started, and it
ran normally.

I closed the page (which clears its session cookies) and returned,
logged in all over again, and repeated the procedure. Once again, I
was told I had to click to activate Java. So that one click did not
enable Java globally or permanently.

Accordingly, two points:

1) The problem is not of Mozilla's making, it's a fault with Oracle's
product so it's not fair to blame Mozilla for protecting you.

2) If you really want to run Java despite its vulnerability, you can,
on demand.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.


The java plugin is enabled without conditions or warnings in my SM v.15.
My experience in activating java on time.gov is like what you describe. The
first time I clicked the box to enable it, java presented me with an option
to remember the permission, which I selected. The second time it just
presented the box, so there is a glitch somewhere, but at least you can use
it in selected instances if you need to (and some of us do).


I'm not seeing any box, pop-up, pop-under, jigsaw-puzzle placeholder, 
nuttin'.  SM Add-On Mgr shows a warning that the Java (version) is 
known to be vulnerable.  Use with caution. Then a link called 'More 
Information' which takes you to 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p186 (in the case of 
Java 1.6_38), and that tells you it's been automatically disabled and no 
longer usable.


Back to my original question: how do I turn it back on?  If I'm supposed 
to see some dialog box, how do I force THAT on so I can turn Java back on?

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Re: SeaMonkey default printer problem

[Rickles]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Rob wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Rob wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

The good news is that once you select a printer, it will remember
that one indefinitely -- until you select another. So if you always
want to use the same printer, select it once and never select
another. ;-)


Yes but most people consider that bad news, not good news.

We had problems with this in the company as well.  People log in to
another workstation, print an e-mail to the printer at that location,
go back to their usual workstation, print an e-mail without looking at
the selected printer and it ends up at the printer where they last
printed (and cannot get at it, have it read by others, etc)


How does your company use SeaMonkey? Are your employees using something
that is run from a server? Otherwise, I can't see how they could get
their own mail when logged into someone else's workstation. At my
company, the only way to get one's own mail was from the individual's
own computer.


Of course we use an IMAP server for mail, and roaming profiles. When you
log in to someone else's computer, the roaming profile is loaded from
the server and with it come all your Seamonkey settings.
(including your IMAP account settings)

When you open Seamonkey you connect to the IMAP server and there is all
your mail.  This also has the advantage that your mail is not lost when
your workstation crashes, and the server of course has backups.


Okay, thanks for the explanation, though I still wonder how a person logs
into someone else's PC, as there would be no user name/password existing
for roaming people. Is there only one instance of SeaMonkey installed on
all the workstations?

The use of roaming profiles assumes you're in a domain environment, 
where logins are checked against Active Directory or some other LDAP 
provider.  User profiles are not normally cached on the workstations 
since they come from the network server, and usernames don't have to be 
created on each workstation since they're centrally handled in the 
Directory services.
Workgroups or peer-to-peer networks don't have this central admin or 
file storage for logins and profiles, and that's where you have to worry 
about who's login exists on which PCs.

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Re: A suggestion about bookmarks

[Rickles]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-12-13 10:26 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

If I want to find a Bookmark in my HUGE collection of them,
I press Ctrl-B, then type in the Key Word.
Great - that finds where the Key Word is.
Howeverit does not indicate WHERE the link is in my HUGE
collection of Bookmarks.
It finds it, but doesn't show me WHERE is is !
What File is it in ?
The search results should also show what directory (File Name)
etc the reference is in.


1. Visit the bookmarked URL.
2. There should be a bookmark icon on the right side of the Location
bar. Click on it to edit the bookmark.
3. The 'Edit Bookmark' panel should appear. To the right, after the
Folder drop-down menu, there should be a separate arrow. Click on that
arrow.

That should expand the folder tree, and show you which folder the
bookmark is in.

I tried visiting a bookmarked item to see this, and fell over at the 
firt hurdle.

*-Picked a bookmark at random, page opens
*-Location Bar has an icon at the right end, tool tip shows 'Bookmark 
this page'
*-Click on the icon, red * appears on icon, tool tip changes to 'edit 
this bookmark'

*-Click on the icon, appearance doesn't change, nothing else happens

What am I missing?
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Re: A suggestion about bookmarks

[Rickles]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rickles wrote:


I tried visiting a bookmarked item to see this, and fell over at the
first hurdle.
*-Picked a bookmark at random, page opens
*-Location Bar has an icon at the right end, tool tip shows 'Bookmark
this page'
*-Click on the icon, red * appears on icon, tool tip changes to 'edit
this bookmark'
*-Click on the icon, appearance doesn't change, nothing else happens

What am I missing?


On my location bar (I'm using 2.14.1, just like you), the tooltip reads
Edit this bookmark and the icon is a NW/SE angled light green bar with
a hairline black border, the top (NW) end being convex and the bottom
(SE) end concave. When I click it, I get just what Chris described -- a
dialog that allows me to edit the bookmark.

To the right of this icon is a downward-pointing triangle that pulls up
the recent history of sites I've visited, and then after that is the
Search button.

I see nothing in the prefs that would allow the user to modify this.
Have you installed an add-on that does?

Compact Menu 2 v4.3.1 is the problem.  It hides the top toolbar, and 
makes all those menus available by including a new icon on the 
navigation bar, to the left of the Back arrow.  It must be that function 
which 'breaks' the pop-up of the Edit menu as described earlier.  I'll 
let the developer know.

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Re: Mail disappeared from inbox

[Rickles]

Richard Owlett wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Anne-Riely wrote:

Opened SeaMonkey 2.12 running on Windows, Vista, and all
mail was gone.
  How to find and put back in inbox? Thanks.


Anne, when you select your e-mail account, what settings do
you have for View-Threads??



Also check settings for View-Messages

It's not the view settings, I've had the same thing twice in 5 days with 
SM 2.11.  I've updated to 2.12, holding my breath to see if/when it 
happens again.


Symptoms: completely normal operation up to the first occurrence.  I 
selected 4 or 5 messages to delete from the Inbox, pressed delete, and 
they vanished.  Then I clicked another message to view it, and the Inbox 
contents vanished completely.  I immediately checked the state of the 
'Inbox' file in my profile store, and it was at 1K.  Before the 
clear-out it had been around 10M.


I restored Inbox and Inbox.msf from a 3-day old backup and carried on. 
Two days later the Inbox contents vanished completely again, but there 
was no delete action at that time.  A single click on a new message was 
all it took.  And since my mail is POP3 and not left on the server, the 
new message was gone before I could read it.


Now my mail server settings are to notify but not download, and don't 
delete them from server until I manually delete them.  Just in case.

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Re: SeaMonkey Mail not opening to the Inbox

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WLS wrote:

A user was asking me about his SeaMonkey not opening to the Inbox in SM
2.0.10, and the account tree was collapsed.

He downgraded to SM 2.0.6, and checked for updates, and found the
updater wasn't working in SM 2.0.10, and was updated to SM 2.0.14 from
SM 2.0.6, which resolved his problem with not opening to the Inbox.

He states, So good of them to keep me posted. Call me naive, but I
thought automatic updates meant automatic updates.

I suggested he update to SM 2.10.1 for security reasons, which he did.
He is using Windows 7 UK English version.

Now the not opening to the Inbox, account tree is collapsed problem has
returned.

I've already suggested he check to make sure Remember the last selected
message is not checked. It is not. That View All is set for Threads and
Messages. They are.

He claims to have no extensions or themes installed.

I can't think of anything else for suggest. Any ideas?
It's a bug, Bugzilla # 748899.  The only way we've seen so far to 
guarantee your mail window opens the way you want is to open a browser 
window first, then open mail from there, using the little envelope icon 
in the lower left corner of the browser window.

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Re: Why doesn't SeaMonkey mail anymore show the input folder?!?

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Otto Wyss wrote:

Since the new version Seamonkey shows an empty window instead of the
previously set input folder after the start? How can I reset this?
It's a bug, Bugzilla # 748899.  The only way we've seen so far to 
guarantee your mail window opens the way you want is to open a browser 
window first, then open mail from there, using the little envelope icon 
in the lower left corner of the browser window.

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Re: Extension.rdf modify safely?

[Rickles]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rickles wrote:


I have been a long-standing user of the Mozilla/SM suite. Current
user/agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1

Since upgrading from 2.7.1 thru 2.8 and now to 2.9.1, I've experienced a
problem with some purchasing thru Amazon.co.uk, most specifically their
MP3 download center. Everything works normally until I go to the
checkout screen--page appears to load with lots of activity messages
flashing at the bottom of the SM browser window, and when the page is
done loading I'm left with a completely blank white page.
...


If you do CTRL-U, do you also get a blank page, or is there content that
SM is failing to display? If the site is sending a blank page, it's not
SM's fault and no amount of fiddling will fix it.

N.B. Some websites have a lot of white space at the beginning of their
code, so you may have to scroll down to find it.

Not a blank page from a code point of view.  The first line of code is 
on line 155, and the last is on 3670, with 8 blank lines after that.


As I pointed out before, the same page works on a different PC with the 
same personal user details as this instance.  Differences: that OS is 
Win7, SM version is 2.7.1.  This PC used to work, until upgrading to 
2.8.  I originally assumed it was just the upgrade as things do break 
from time to time.  But when it carried on into 2.9  2.9.1, I started 
digging.

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Re: Blank page

[Rickles]

Lewis Rosenthal wrote:

On 05/25/12 03:37 pm, Rickles thus wrote :

Lewis Rosenthal wrote:

On 05/25/12 01:20 pm, Lewis Rosenthal thus wrote :

snip



Anyone got any other ideas?


In my experience, 99% of the time, when a user experiences blank pages,
it's bad cache or cookies.

Things to check/do:

1. Clear cache. Close SM  verify that the cache tree is empty.
2. Clear cookies. On newer SeaMonkeys, this will be cookies.sqlite.
Move/rename or delete it - with the browser closed.
3. Check your cookie permissions to ensure that Amazon isn't blocked.
4. Are you using a proxy, either for caching or for privacy (I use
Privoxy chained to Squid locally, and I have an uplevel proxy on my
firewall)? Disable *all* proxies.
5. Test in safe mode (not Windows safe mode - if that is your
platform -
but SM safe mode). This *should* work.
6. Disable all add-ons. Sometimes a bad configuration for an extension,
perhaps leftover from an older install which was upgraded can cause odd
things; thus, the same add-on on two different systems can behave quite
differently. You can try re-enabling them one at a time until you
hit on
the culprit.



Also, check for modified/customized userContent.css in your profile. On
more than one occasion, I've made a tweak to something to make a
particular site work - only to come back days/weeks/months later to
find that the law of unintended consequences applied, and I broke
something else that way. ;-)

snip


Thanks for the suggestions, Lewis, but still no joy. I cleared cache 
cookies, removed all of the *.sqlite files from my main profile, and it
made no difference on the errant page (screwed up my add-on installs
again, though: what fun!)



Ugh... Sorry to hear, but you're very welcome for the thoughts.


And no, my *.css files are not modified. Also, Safe Mode with this
profile doesn't work with that page, either.



Now *that* is odd. What about the theme? Anything out of the ordinary?
Have you tried a different one? Not that the theme should have
*anything* to do with this, but we're going by process of elimination,
here.


It looks like I'm gonna have to take the painful path of rebuilding my
profile once again, doesn't it? I'm not looking forward to this, due to
how many times I've done it in the past, and how many times I've lost
something as a consequence (emails, bookmarks, passwords, etc.)

What's the most authoritative process to move profile to a new profile,
when you're doing it because something's wrong with your current one?
Almost sounds like catch-22 to me.


Yech. I dread doing that, myself. You can review what MozillaZine has,
here:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey

You might want to save this broken profile (possibly without the mail
directories, as they can be rather large, if you keep archives as I do),
and then come back to this at some point to see what the problem may be
for future reference.

I'll poke around a bit more in the meantime, but you might as well get
started copying stuff to your new profile.

Oh, one other thing:

In the browser, go to about:support, and note the entries to prefs.js
which have changed from default. As we're not seeing anything else in
here, it may be a preference which was tweaked for something. Copy 
paste anything *not* related to a printer (or private data, obviously),
and maybe we can see something in there.

Sorry...

Running in Safe Mode with the SM Default Theme v2.9.1 doesn't make a 
difference, I'm afraid.  Page attempts to render but comes up blank. 
See another post in this thread which asserts that it's not a 
server-based error, because I can view the page's code, and it works on 
a laptop with SM v2.7.1 just fine.

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Re: Blank page

[Rickles]

Lewis Rosenthal wrote:

On 05/25/12 01:20 pm, Lewis Rosenthal thus wrote :

snip



Anyone got any other ideas?


In my experience, 99% of the time, when a user experiences blank pages,
it's bad cache or cookies.

Things to check/do:

1. Clear cache. Close SM  verify that the cache tree is empty.
2. Clear cookies. On newer SeaMonkeys, this will be cookies.sqlite.
Move/rename or delete it - with the browser closed.
3. Check your cookie permissions to ensure that Amazon isn't blocked.
4. Are you using a proxy, either for caching or for privacy (I use
Privoxy chained to Squid locally, and I have an uplevel proxy on my
firewall)? Disable *all* proxies.
5. Test in safe mode (not Windows safe mode - if that is your platform -
but SM safe mode). This *should* work.
6. Disable all add-ons. Sometimes a bad configuration for an extension,
perhaps leftover from an older install which was upgraded can cause odd
things; thus, the same add-on on two different systems can behave quite
differently. You can try re-enabling them one at a time until you hit on
the culprit.



Also, check for modified/customized userContent.css in your profile. On
more than one occasion, I've made a tweak to something to make a
particular site work - only to come back days/weeks/months later to
find that the law of unintended consequences applied, and I broke
something else that way. ;-)

snip

Thanks for the suggestions, Lewis, but still no joy.  I cleared cache  
cookies, removed all of the *.sqlite files from my main profile, and it 
made no difference on the errant page (screwed up my add-on installs 
again, though: what fun!)


And no, my *.css files are not modified.  Also, Safe Mode with this 
profile doesn't work with that page, either.


It looks like I'm gonna have to take the painful path of rebuilding my 
profile once again, doesn't it?  I'm not looking forward to this, due to 
how many times I've done it in the past, and how many times I've lost 
something as a consequence (emails, bookmarks, passwords, etc.)


What's the most authoritative process to move profile to a new profile, 
when you're doing it because something's wrong with your current one? 
Almost sounds like catch-22 to me.

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Re: Extension.rdf modify safely?

[Rickles]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:20:08 +0100, Rickles wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:13:20 +0100, Rickles wrote:

I have been a long-standing user of the Mozilla/SM suite.  Current
user/agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1

Since upgrading from 2.7.1 thru 2.8 and now to 2.9.1, I've experienced a
problem with some purchasing thru Amazon.co.uk, most specifically their
MP3 download center.  Everything works normally until I go to the
checkout screen--page appears to load with lots of activity messages
flashing at the bottom of the SM browser window, and when the page is
done loading I'm left with a completely blank white page.

On my wife's laptop with exactly the same theme, plugins and extensions
installed on a Win7 SP1 OS, the same page works as expected.  I've
attempted to track down the offending piece of my profile by disabling
all add-on modules and even the internal Chatzilla, DOM Inspector and
Javascript debugger, intending to start turning them back on one at a
time to find the culprit, but it does the same thing no matter what.

I have created a new test profile with nothing extra installed, and it
works.  Rather than going thru the (painful!) process of migrating my
profile (yet again, done it a few times since 2.0 came out, lost things
in the process), I'd like to track down what may be the reason behind
this.  Had a look thru all the text-based files in the root of the
'damaged' profile and the one thing I suspect is the extensions.RDF
file--there are instances of info related to extensions that used to
work but have been dropped/uninstalled over time that I want to clear
out.  Can this be done without making the profile unusable?  Or can I
simply delete the file with SM shut down and expect it to rebuild at
next startup?

Or better yet, can anyone recommend a better place to look?


Just delete it. It will be rebuilt.

Phil


Thanks Phil, but no, it didn't rebuild.  I've stopped/restarted SM
several times since deleting the file with SM not running, and it's not
re-creating it.  But even with that file missing, it's not changed the
original problem at all.


On newer SeaMonkey's extensions.rdf isn't used and is probably a left
over. Look for extensions.sqlite

Phil

Well, THAT was interesting.  Shut down SM, copied extensions.sqlite away 
from profile folder, deleted original and restarted SM.  Had to approve 
each single add-on and re-start SM, one add-on at a time.  Ultimately 
got everything back to normal, but the same faulty behavior persists.  I 
used to use IETab+, and saw traces of that in the extensions.rdf, which 
is why I'd asked about editing that file.  But the auto-generation of 
the sqlite file either inherited the problem from somewhere else, or I'm 
looking in the wrong place.


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Extension.rdf modify safely?

[Rickles]

I have been a long-standing user of the Mozilla/SM suite.  Current 
user/agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1


Since upgrading from 2.7.1 thru 2.8 and now to 2.9.1, I've experienced a 
problem with some purchasing thru Amazon.co.uk, most specifically their 
MP3 download center.  Everything works normally until I go to the 
checkout screen--page appears to load with lots of activity messages 
flashing at the bottom of the SM browser window, and when the page is 
done loading I'm left with a completely blank white page.


On my wife's laptop with exactly the same theme, plugins and extensions 
installed on a Win7 SP1 OS, the same page works as expected.  I've 
attempted to track down the offending piece of my profile by disabling 
all add-on modules and even the internal Chatzilla, DOM Inspector and 
Javascript debugger, intending to start turning them back on one at a 
time to find the culprit, but it does the same thing no matter what.


I have created a new test profile with nothing extra installed, and it 
works.  Rather than going thru the (painful!) process of migrating my 
profile (yet again, done it a few times since 2.0 came out, lost things 
in the process), I'd like to track down what may be the reason behind 
this.  Had a look thru all the text-based files in the root of the 
'damaged' profile and the one thing I suspect is the extensions.RDF 
file--there are instances of info related to extensions that used to 
work but have been dropped/uninstalled over time that I want to clear 
out.  Can this be done without making the profile unusable?  Or can I 
simply delete the file with SM shut down and expect it to rebuild at 
next startup?


Or better yet, can anyone recommend a better place to look?
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Re: Extension.rdf modify safely?

[Rickles]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:13:20 +0100, Rickles wrote:

I have been a long-standing user of the Mozilla/SM suite.  Current
user/agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1

Since upgrading from 2.7.1 thru 2.8 and now to 2.9.1, I've experienced a
problem with some purchasing thru Amazon.co.uk, most specifically their
MP3 download center.  Everything works normally until I go to the
checkout screen--page appears to load with lots of activity messages
flashing at the bottom of the SM browser window, and when the page is
done loading I'm left with a completely blank white page.

On my wife's laptop with exactly the same theme, plugins and extensions
installed on a Win7 SP1 OS, the same page works as expected.  I've
attempted to track down the offending piece of my profile by disabling
all add-on modules and even the internal Chatzilla, DOM Inspector and
Javascript debugger, intending to start turning them back on one at a
time to find the culprit, but it does the same thing no matter what.

I have created a new test profile with nothing extra installed, and it
works.  Rather than going thru the (painful!) process of migrating my
profile (yet again, done it a few times since 2.0 came out, lost things
in the process), I'd like to track down what may be the reason behind
this.  Had a look thru all the text-based files in the root of the
'damaged' profile and the one thing I suspect is the extensions.RDF
file--there are instances of info related to extensions that used to
work but have been dropped/uninstalled over time that I want to clear
out.  Can this be done without making the profile unusable?  Or can I
simply delete the file with SM shut down and expect it to rebuild at
next startup?

Or better yet, can anyone recommend a better place to look?


Just delete it. It will be rebuilt.

Phil

Thanks Phil, but no, it didn't rebuild.  I've stopped/restarted SM 
several times since deleting the file with SM not running, and it's not 
re-creating it.  But even with that file missing, it's not changed the 
original problem at all.


And at least one mail extension isn't working now that did before. 
Maybe a re-install will fix that.  I'll let you know.


Any more?

Next?
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Re: Extension.rdf modify safely?

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:13:20 +0100, Rickles wrote:

I have been a long-standing user of the Mozilla/SM suite. Current
user/agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1

Since upgrading from 2.7.1 thru 2.8 and now to 2.9.1, I've experienced a
problem with some purchasing thru Amazon.co.uk, most specifically their
MP3 download center. Everything works normally until I go to the
checkout screen--page appears to load with lots of activity messages
flashing at the bottom of the SM browser window, and when the page is
done loading I'm left with a completely blank white page.

On my wife's laptop with exactly the same theme, plugins and extensions
installed on a Win7 SP1 OS, the same page works as expected. I've
attempted to track down the offending piece of my profile by disabling
all add-on modules and even the internal Chatzilla, DOM Inspector and
Javascript debugger, intending to start turning them back on one at a
time to find the culprit, but it does the same thing no matter what.

I have created a new test profile with nothing extra installed, and it
works. Rather than going thru the (painful!) process of migrating my
profile (yet again, done it a few times since 2.0 came out, lost things
in the process), I'd like to track down what may be the reason behind
this. Had a look thru all the text-based files in the root of the
'damaged' profile and the one thing I suspect is the extensions.RDF
file--there are instances of info related to extensions that used to
work but have been dropped/uninstalled over time that I want to clear
out. Can this be done without making the profile unusable? Or can I
simply delete the file with SM shut down and expect it to rebuild at
next startup?

Or better yet, can anyone recommend a better place to look?


Just delete it. It will be rebuilt.

Phil


Thanks Phil, but no, it didn't rebuild. I've stopped/restarted SM
several times since deleting the file with SM not running, and it's not
re-creating it. But even with that file missing, it's not changed the
original problem at all.

And at least one mail extension isn't working now that did before. Maybe
a re-install will fix that. I'll let you know.

Any more?

Next?
The reinstall fixed the mail extension, but the original issue with the 
Amazon site still exists. I can't post a URL 'cause it's inside my 
logged-in shopping session.  Further help suggestions appreciated.

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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rickles wrote:


The only newsgroup I subscribe to is this one, and everyone
top-posts. And every top-post is only shown in light grey font. A
real pain since my background is also light grey (easier on the eyes
than white). Signature block delimiters don't appear to be part of
the issue.


Hate to break it to you, but most people here bottom-post, as you did.


How stupid am I, to have looked at the messages in this newsgroup, esp.
at prior-post texts at the top, and then say top-posted. I should have
more correctly said that the previous-post text, **above the newest
post** was in shown in the light grey font.

Yes, and I bottom-post in this NG as well. Is there such a thing as
vertical dyslexia? :)

Thanks for pointing that out.


O.K., Rickles, forgetting the top posting stuff, are you saying that as
you read this reply of mine, here, my text is in light grey *and* your
background is (user-set) light grey??


No, that's not quite right. Your text is black and not indented at all,
since it was the most-current post. What I *had* been seeing was all of
the other previous posts the same light grey as my background (which
means it was invisible till I looked for it), and those previous posts
were indented by dark-grey vertical bars at the left window edge.

However, since I manually changed the version value in the 'install.rdf'
file for the add-on, I was able to reinstall and it appears to be
working normally.


O.K., so it seems it was a add-on problem.

For yourself  Paul Gallagher, yes the issue I had was down to the 
removal of the QuoteColors add-on.  Since no trace of the program 
existed, I was after info on how to find where the corrupted settings 
were, that affected my display.  But since someone had reported that the 
same add-on works under SM2.9 for him, I (after some fiddling) 
re-installed it and I'm fine.  All is as it was.


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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rickles wrote:


The only newsgroup I subscribe to is this one, and everyone
top-posts. And every top-post is only shown in light grey font. A
real pain since my background is also light grey (easier on the eyes
than white). Signature block delimiters don't appear to be part of
the issue.


Hate to break it to you, but most people here bottom-post, as you did.


How stupid am I, to have looked at the messages in this newsgroup, esp.
at prior-post texts at the top, and then say top-posted. I should have
more correctly said that the previous-post text, **above the newest
post** was in shown in the light grey font.

Yes, and I bottom-post in this NG as well. Is there such a thing as
vertical dyslexia? :)

Thanks for pointing that out.


O.K., Rickles, forgetting the top posting stuff, are you saying that as
you read this reply of mine, here, my text is in light grey *and* your
background is (user-set) light grey??

No, that's not quite right.  Your text is black and not indented at all, 
since it was the most-current post.  What I *had* been seeing was all of 
the other previous posts the same light grey as my background (which 
means it was invisible till I looked for it), and those previous posts 
were indented by dark-grey vertical bars at the left window edge.


However, since I manually changed the version value in the 'install.rdf' 
file for the add-on, I was able to reinstall and it appears to be 
working normally.

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NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

SM/Moz user for many years, very happy not using IE.  Current build I'm 
using is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.


During the upgrade to v2.9, one add-on was declared as not compatibile, 
Quote Colors 0.3.  Allowed the installer to remove the add-on, but 
something's not right:


In messages which have several previous posts quoted in-line, the 
previously-posted bits were all indented, with vertical bars at the left
border of the pane, and the bars and text were colored the same.  Made 
it easy to identify separate quotes.  With the removal of Quote Colors, 
though, only the current post text in the chain is visible as black 
text.  All other previous posts are light grey, with the vertical indent 
bars a dark grey.


I've been through this profile's folders, the root application's install 
folders, any/all Application Data folders for the PC, the chrome 
directories in them, and the userprefs.js and prefs.js for this profile. 
 All references to Quote Colors are gone, but the display of messages 
persists as described.


Short of moving everything to a new profile, can someone suggest 
something else to check for how this display is being done?  I thought 
there was a way to select between  symbols vs vertical indent bars 
for showing quoted text in messages, but I can't find it now under any 
preferences.


Thoughts?
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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

SM/Moz user for many years, very happy not using IE. Current build I'm
using is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422
Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.

During the upgrade to v2.9, one add-on was declared as not compatibile,
Quote Colors 0.3. Allowed the installer to remove the add-on, but
something's not right:

In messages which have several previous posts quoted in-line, the
previously-posted bits were all indented, with vertical bars at the left
border of the pane, and the bars and text were colored the same. Made it
easy to identify separate quotes. With the removal of Quote Colors,
though, only the current post text in the chain is visible as black
text. All other previous posts are light grey, with the vertical indent
bars a dark grey.

I've been through this profile's folders, the root application's install
folders, any/all Application Data folders for the PC, the chrome
directories in them, and the userprefs.js and prefs.js for this profile.
All references to Quote Colors are gone, but the display of messages
persists as described.

Short of moving everything to a new profile, can someone suggest
something else to check for how this display is being done? I thought
there was a way to select between  symbols vs vertical indent bars
for showing quoted text in messages, but I can't find it now under any
preferences.

Thoughts?


Rickles, has the person that posted the last reply, top posted their
reply??

If this is the case, all the messages that they are replying to, will
appear below the sig de-limiter line (dash dash space) and will
therefore be in a lighter font.

Is this the situation??

The only newsgroup I subscribe to is this one, and everyone top-posts. 
And every top-post is only shown in light grey font.  A real pain since 
my background is also light grey (easier on the eyes than white). 
Signature block delimiters don't appear to be part of the issue.

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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

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Petr Voralek wrote:

Hello!

On 04/29/2012 12:58 PM, *Rickles* wrote, and I quote (in part):


During the upgrade to v2.9, one add-on was declared as not compatibile,
Quote Colors 0.3.  Allowed the installer to remove the add-on, but
something's not right:


   Just BTW: I still use this extension without any problems on SM 2.9
with add-on compatibility checking disabled (add-on compatibility
reporter is installed).

Are you saying that add-on comp is disabled, by disabling the Reporter 
add-on?  Or have you used a different method to disable the 
compatibility check?

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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Petr Voralek wrote:

Hello!

On 04/29/2012 12:58 PM, *Rickles* wrote, and I quote (in part):


During the upgrade to v2.9, one add-on was declared as not compatibile,
Quote Colors 0.3. Allowed the installer to remove the add-on, but
something's not right:


Just BTW: I still use this extension without any problems on SM 2.9
with add-on compatibility checking disabled (add-on compatibility
reporter is installed).


Are you saying that add-on comp is disabled, by disabling the Reporter
add-on? Or have you used a different method to disable the compatibility
check?
Hello Petr.  After reading your post, tried re-intalling QC anyway. 
With the Compat. Reported enabled or disabled, at one point or another 
SM wouldn't allow the install through the GUI, period.  So I got 
adventurous and manually edited the 'install.rdf' file inside the *.xpi 
download.


QC has installed, and it appears I've got to reset the options, but it's 
working again.


Many thanks!
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Re: NewsGrp Message display issue

[Rickles]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rickles wrote:


The only newsgroup I subscribe to is this one, and everyone
top-posts. And every top-post is only shown in light grey font. A
real pain since my background is also light grey (easier on the eyes
than white). Signature block delimiters don't appear to be part of
the issue.


Hate to break it to you, but most people here bottom-post, as you did.

How stupid am I, to have looked at the messages in this newsgroup, esp. 
at prior-post texts at the top, and then say top-posted.  I should have 
more correctly said that the previous-post text, **above the newest 
post** was in shown in the light grey font.


Yes, and I bottom-post in this NG as well.  Is there such a thing as 
vertical dyslexia?  :)


Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: Can't delete messages in SM 2.7

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I wrote:


My normal routine with incoming mail is read, delete, read, delete,
read, delete, etc. except for those messages that should be saved or
answered.

But this morning I've been having trouble deleting (both with the Del
key and with right-click, Delete message). After I've deleted a dozen or
so messages from a particular folder, the function stops working and I
can't delete any messages from that folder. Additionally, no matter
which message I select, the message pane displays the content of the
last selected message, so they all appear to be the same. Drag-and-drop
to Trash stops working, too, though I can drag and drop to other folders.

If I navigate away to a different folder and return, I can display the
various messages correctly, but I can't delete any, and the moment I
try, the display issue returns.

I've tried shutting SM down and deleting the relevant MSF file, which
helps for a little while, but the issue returns. I've also tried
compacting, with or without deleting the MSF file, and that doesn't help
either.

I really don't want to have to shut SM down every five minutes to
restore the delete function. Any other ideas?


Followup: The problem seems to be with the Trash folder in one account
(the primary one) in my profile; the other accounts are unaffected.

Normally, if I click on Trash, I can view the contents of that folder.
But if I click on Trash when the issue is in effect, the spinner
(hourglass) appears and remains indefinitely; the contents of the folder
are not displayed. If I then shut down SM and delete both Trash and
Trash.msf, the issue is gone when I relaunch (as you know, SM creates a
new Trash folder if it doesn't find one).

Even when the issue is in effect, I can still drag/drop messages to
other folders, so a clumsy workaround is to drag/drop messages I want to
delete to some arbitrary holding folder. Later, when I've deleted the
Trash folder and relaunched, I can then delete them from the holding
folder.

If I tell SM to empty the Trash, I can then view the empty Trash folder
without getting the spinner (hourglass), but that doesn't enable me to
delete messages or move them to Trash.

You're not alone in the behavior you describe.  I experienced the same 
sort of thing about 2 minutes before reading your submission.

WinXP SP3, patched; SM2.7 updated just 2 or 3 days ago, manually.

Tried to delete an email which didn't delete.  And I had the hourglass, 
and I had the blank contents, etc.


I've seen the Trash folder issue before, so when my SM hung I went to 
Properties/Repair Folder, first on the Inbox and then the Deleted Items 
folders.  Inbox repair didn't do anything, but Deleted gave me a message 
to the effect that it couldn't be processed because it was busy with 
something else.  So I shut down SM, verified there were no other SM 
processes running and started Mail again.


Views were normal, except that now I had the original message in Inbox 
and a duplicate in Deleted.  This time when I deleted the Inbox instance 
it worked, so that I got 2 copies of the same thing in the Deleted folder.

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Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?

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DoctorBill wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now.

I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful
Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system.

In looking up methods to remove it, I went to
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp
for help.

One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a
PROXY SERVER
Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will
remove the proxy server settings in Firefox.

I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?)

I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when
on the web in SM 2.6.1 ?


Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used
proxies and SM never cared either way.

You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet
Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override
function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept
the system settings or not.



It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up
one's computer to being invaded more easily ?

Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on
Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ?

Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ?

What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ?

Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers,
spyware, and malware of every kind ?

How do you know ?

Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol

DoctorBill


A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall.  It works like this:
*-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by 
denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your 
traffic.  Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, 
and the answers are allowed back in to your PC.


*-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it 
impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the 
internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page.  Your 
request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page.  The 
proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays 
back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so.


The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going 
out and coming back in.  It's not less secure, it's more secure.  But 
most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as 
opposed to proxys.  If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had 
someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy.


As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the 
traffic, if you need to.

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Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?

[Rickles]

DoctorBill wrote:

Rickles wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now.

I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd
Awful
Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system.

In looking up methods to remove it, I went to
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp
for help.

One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use
of a
PROXY SERVER
Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This
will
remove the proxy server settings in Firefox.

I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?)

I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one
when
on the web in SM 2.6.1 ?


Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used
proxies and SM never cared either way.

You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet
Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override
function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can
accept
the system settings or not.



It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up
one's computer to being invaded more easily ?

Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on
Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ?

Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ?

What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ?

Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers,
spyware, and malware of every kind ?

How do you know ?

Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol

DoctorBill


A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this:
*-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by
denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your
traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web,
and the answers are allowed back in to your PC.

*-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it
impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the
internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your
request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The
proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays
back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so.

The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going
out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most
home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed
to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set
it up for you, you haven't got a proxy.

As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the
traffic, if you need to.


OK - now I AM confused

I do not have a firewall set up - unless XP has one from MicroSoft. (?)
Never bought one. I use AVG Free as a virus checker.

How much money can one spend to buy a Firewall, a virus checker, a
Maleware Program, etc, etc, etc ?

If I toggle the use of a Proxy on Preferences | Advanced | Proxies,
then a Proxy is assigned to me by some unknown 'whatever' - yes?

I mean - where or how is this Proxy set up - by some random internet
process in some unknown place ? China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan ?

All this is complex - but seems totally out of control (at my end) and
looks like each of us is at the 'mercy' of some anonymous benefactor
'out there' in the great electronic wilderness called the Internet.

Who is running the show, may I ask ?

Bewildering !

DoctorBill

I assumed you were connecting to the internet through a router device, 
most likely provided by your Internet Service Provider (ISP).  That 
piece of hardware, that box, normally has at least a firewall function 
in it to protect you from unwanted internet traffic.  A proxy is simply 
a different box, but more powerful, that does the same thing and more. 
If you have only a phone line plugged into your PC and you go through a 
dial-up process to connect, then you're not using a router of any kind, 
plain firewall or stronger proxy.  Either way, it'd be something in your 
house with you, not in a foreign country.  Since it looks like you have 
neither, then the question of proxy settings inside SM is meaningless. 
You can't change SM for something that doesn't exist in your home network.

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Re: blocked::blocked::http://www.arpernaz.be/

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Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


It appears that someone did not understand - so i will add this:
If i want using SM mail send a mail with a link, i can do:
Insert - Link
Then i can Enter this text to display(for the link): www.arpernaz.be
And for the link location i enter the following: http://www.arpernaz.be

This will work perfectly.
But my friend using Outlook 11 insert a link in his mail, i don't know
how(a copy/paste, a re-use of an old mail, etc..) and this is like i can
do with SM as follow:
Insert - Link
Then i can Enter this text to display(for the link): www.arpernaz.be
And for the link location i enter the following:
blocked::blocked:http://www.arpernaz.be

I suppose that if a use myself Outlook that the link can/will be
functional, but under the SM mail - noway.


If your friend is creating bad links that specify the target
blocked::blocked:http://www.arpernaz.be,; it's not your fault and it's
not SeaMonkey's problem. Your friend needs to start creating valid
links. As a fallback, you could manually delete the extraneous material
from the location bar and try again.

Perhaps you could help your friend (friends do that kind of thing), but
this forum is not intended to provide support for Outlook 11, and most
of the people here lack the expertise and the inclination to do so.


I agree that the bad link is created by outlook 11, but what can we do
in SM to accept those link ? Perhaps when we do a click on it, SM will
tell us with a pop-up massage saying This url is blocked by the
initiator - would you continue and reach the site ? YES - NO
And why should we who use SM have to do something like that?  Better to 
educate the one sending the original email how to read the menus and 
change the options being used.


Your friend is using the tool, he/she should take some responsibility in 
how it's used.

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Re: More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.4.1.

Others have complained about SM appearing to hang, or at least take a
ridiculously long time to do something as simple as delete an email. I'd
never seen it before, until today.

Normally the PC's been on most of the day while I've been at work, but
today the house was empty all day  I was the first home. Turned PC on
and left it un-logged in for approx. an hour.

Logged in, waited for systray icons to all appear showing all 'run' apps
completed, and opened SM Mail. It opened, downloaded 3 short text
messages. The wife read one message over my shoulder, said that message
could be deleted. So I did, or thought so, anyway.

Pressed delete key but message stayed in Inbox. Checked Deleted folder,
empty. Went back to Inbox, but only Folder pane showed any
content--thread  message panes were both blank. Assumed some background
process was taking up processor time, but Task Manager showed 99% system
idle time, and there was no network traffic.

No background CPU takeover, no scheduled tasks running, no busy network.
I left it ticking over for a full 5 minutes without change, then closed
the SM Mail window (browser never open). Verified seamonkey.exe process
was absent from Task Manager and re-opened Mail--deleted same message
again and it worked perfectly, and for everything after that.

Suggestions?
A new wrinkle: just finished deleting a collection of emails from my 
Inbox, which had been held onto for various reasons.  Didn't keep track 
of quantity or overall size, but only 2 had attachments of any size.


Since browser window wasn't open at this point, I opened it to look for 
something, and instead of my home group (4 tabs), I got one single blank 
tab with no address to load from.


Killed the browser, killed email, then had to kill 'seamonkey.exe' 
process in Task Mgr.  Then re-opened browser and all is normal.  Same 
after opening Mail window as well.


Can something between the Mail component be playing tug-of-war with the 
browser component, esp. since the takeup of the SQLITE database storage 
for some aspects of profile?

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Re: More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Pete wrote:

Unfortunately, it still does it for me. I've tried this suggestion, and
the earlier one about deleting the trash.msf files, and neither seem to
have made any difference at all.


I've tried a few more things now, such as deleting my huge bookmarks
file, and severely reducing the number of newsgroups, and it now seems
that newsgroups may have some bearing on the problem, at least in my case.

I deleted most of my newsgroups, but with no noticeable difference. I
then went into the settings, and turned off check for new messages at
startup and Check for new messages every. The idea was to try to stop
SeaMonkey from doing anything with newsgroups without me needing to
actually delete everything, which I didn't want to do.

I noticed that the To recover disk space options were set to Don't
delete any messages. I changed this to Delete messages more than 14
days old and set the Remove bodies from messages more than also to 14
days.

Eureka - I can now use SeaMonkey again on this computer! It still hangs
sometimes, but nowhere near the literally four minutes out of every
five level that it did before.

This information, together with the previously posted information about
possible links to email and .MSF files, strongly suggests (to me,
anyway) where the problem lies. Seamonkey never used to behave like
this, so any background (hmm) cleanup routines that have changed in
recent versions are clearly suspects.

I'm sure those of us suffering this hanging problem would appreciate it
if some development time could go into nailing this bug.

Regards, Peter
Your point about the storage of old newsgroup messages is well-taken, 
even though the issue I had didn't appear to relate to NNTP traffic.  I 
have set my expiration dates to 30 days rather than 14, but none had 
been set prior to that.  We'll see.


I've also had a few instances of sending emails not completing as 
expected, but I'll post that separately as a new thread.  Related? Who 
knows.


Rick.
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SM Mail not completing send

[Rickles]

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 
SeaMonkey/2.4.1


This may/may not be related to a previous thread about SM 'hanging' with 
no identifiable cause.


Randomly when sending emails, the final window which comes up that tells 
you the email is being moved from Drafts to Sent, doesn't close.


Checking the Folder pane for the Drafts  Sent folders shows the message 
has been moved, but the dialog which tells you that doesn't close.  This 
has been observed with messages of all sizes, with or without 
attachments, as text or html format.  It also makes no difference 
whether there are other windows open in the background or not.  Even if 
SM is the only program running this can happen.


In each case, manually closing the dialog works, and SM behaves normally 
after that.  Subsequent messaging works fine, and may continue to do so 
for days after that, with the PC being shut down at night and restarted 
the next day.


The dialogs which talk about sending mails to the smtp provider all 
appear normal, and the network activity agrees with this.  It's only 
when SM is doing what I call it's post-sending housekeeping that the 
issue manifests.


It's not a show-stopper, but it is annoying.  Thoughts?
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Re: SM Mail not completing send

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BIll Spikowski wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.4.1

This may/may not be related to a previous thread about SM 'hanging' with
no identifiable cause.

Randomly when sending emails, the final window which comes up that tells
you the email is being moved from Drafts to Sent, doesn't close.

Checking the Folder pane for the Drafts  Sent folders shows the message
has been moved, but the dialog which tells you that doesn't close.  This
has been observed with messages of all sizes, with or without attachments,
as text or html format.  It also makes no difference whether there are
other windows open in the background or not.  Even if SM is the only
program running this can happen.

In each case, manually closing the dialog works, and SM behaves normally
after that.  Subsequent messaging works fine, and may continue to do so
for days after that, with the PC being shut down at night and restarted
the next day.

The dialogs which talk about sending mails to the smtp provider all appear
normal, and the network activity agrees with this.  It's only when SM is
doing what I call it's post-sending housekeeping that the issue manifests.

It's not a show-stopper, but it is annoying.  Thoughts?



I don't think this behavior is related to the much more serious 'SM
hanging' problem discussed recently.

I see what you describe on a regular, but not frequent, basis. Many others
have reported it as well. While somewhat annoying, it doesn't seem to
cause any loss of messages or any other damage.
But the point is, it's not supposed to happen at all.  And with no other 
programs taking up system resources when it DOES occur, the most likely 
culprit is the SM mail component function itself.  I honestly can't 
remember seeing this behavior with 2.0.14, and certainly not before the 
v2 rollout.


So what is it about sm v2.1+ Mail/News that's different in how the 
internal processes are prioritized vs prior versions?  One or more 
changes as part of the software progression could be conflicting, and 
since users are reporting this behavior (and you're one of them), along 
with other unusual Mail behavior, it would seem at least plausible that 
they're related issues.  Not a guarantee, but basic troubleshooting 
practices indicate an area to be examined.

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Re: Problem opening new group of tabs

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no...@nonospam.org wrote:



flyguy wrote:

On 10/27/2011 8:57 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

This is a problem with SeaMonkey v2.4.1. I have some bookmarks which are
groups of tabs. When I click on one of these and select Open all in
tabs, I want it to open ALL the pages in NEW tabs. Instead, it replaces
the page I am currently viewing with the first page of the group and
then opens new tabs for the rest.

My tabbed browsing preferences are set as follows:

Tab display
Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open - NOT checked
Switch to new tabs opened from links - checked
Warn me when closing a window with multiple tabs - checked
Open related tabs after current tab - checked

When opening a bookmark group - Add tabs is checked

Open tabs instead of windows for - both choices checked

The only way I can open a group without overwriting a current page is to
open a blank tab first and start from there. I have seen this problem in
every version from v2.1 forward. This was NOT a problem with SeaMonkey
v2.0.14, and all the settings seem to be the same. Is there some other
setting I haven't found that needs to be changed? If not, is there
another solution? Thanks!


I middle-click on the link, and that opens the tabs up as you desire.

Flyguy


I don't have a middle button on my mouse. Only a left and right. In any
case, the program is not behaving as it appears it should with the
settings I have.

John
Looks like this may be related to 2 previous bugs: 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369440 /or

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616601

They concentrate on the behavior of clicking on the Home button, 
expecting all open tabs to be completely **replaced** with the home 
group, however many tabs that entails.  What happens is that 1 tab is 
replaced, all others are left open, and more added.


Yours appears to be doing the opposite: you want **adding** to take 
place, and your group is replacing.


So yours is working the opposite of what's chosen in the settings, the 
other way around from the original bugzilla items??

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Re: More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Errol Smith wrote:

This hang is caused by SM 'helpfully' calculating how much disk space
you would save if you compacted all your folders after you just deleted
something.

Go to Preferences  Mail  Newsgroups  Network  Storage
and untick Compact folders when it will save.
Then it won't do it any more.

And remember to manually compact your mail folders once in a while.

YMMV.

Rickles wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.4.1.

Others have complained about SM appearing to hang, or at least take a
ridiculously long time to do something as simple as delete an email. I'd
never seen it before, until today.

Normally the PC's been on most of the day while I've been at work, but
today the house was empty all day  I was the first home. Turned PC on
and left it un-logged in for approx. an hour.

Logged in, waited for systray icons to all appear showing all 'run' apps
completed, and opened SM Mail. It opened, downloaded 3 short text
messages. The wife read one message over my shoulder, said that message
could be deleted. So I did, or thought so, anyway.

Pressed delete key but message stayed in Inbox. Checked Deleted folder,
empty. Went back to Inbox, but only Folder pane showed any
content--thread  message panes were both blank. Assumed some background
process was taking up processor time, but Task Manager showed 99% system
idle time, and there was no network traffic.

No background CPU takeover, no scheduled tasks running, no busy network.
I left it ticking over for a full 5 minutes without change, then closed
the SM Mail window (browser never open). Verified seamonkey.exe process
was absent from Task Manager and re-opened Mail--deleted same message
again and it worked perfectly, and for everything after that.

Suggestions?


Forgive me for being obtuse, but what's the point of having that setting 
available when it 'freezes' SM into complete inaction?  If SM was tied 
up making the calculations at every Delete action, I'd expect to see 
system resources being used for it, but when SM freezes, the rest of the 
PC is normal.  If I'm not doing anything else with it, the PC resources 
show 99% idle.  If SM is busy with disc access and space calculations, 
where's the evidence?  As far as I can tell, SM is 'stuck' at this point.


If you read further along in the thread as posted, you'll see that once 
I threw out the Trash.msf file, everything has gone back to normal in 
all respects.  The only confusing part I ran into was that the 'Deleted' 
folder in the Folder Pane view of Mail doesn't point to a 'Deleted' file 
under the profile.  It points to a 'Trash' file, but there's nothing in 
the GUI to tell you that.  Process of elimination is all I had to find 
it out.  In all other cases, the name of a folder in the Folder Pane is 
the same as the file(s) on the hard drive where the profile is stored. 
But for 'Deleted' that's not the case.


Minor point, but it took a few extra minutes to work out.  My suggestion 
for anyone experiencing issues with SM mail freezing is to shut down SM 
and delete MSF files in their profile's Mail directory, then restart SM. 
 The MSF files are indexes which will be rebuilt when SM starts again.

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Re: More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Bob Fleischer wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.4.1.

Others have complained about SM appearing to hang, or at least take a
ridiculously long time to do something as simple as delete an email.
I'd
never seen it before, until today.

Normally the PC's been on most of the day while I've been at work, but
today the house was empty all day  I was the first home. Turned PC on
and left it un-logged in for approx. an hour.

Logged in, waited for systray icons to all appear showing all 'run'
apps
completed, and opened SM Mail. It opened, downloaded 3 short text
messages. The wife read one message over my shoulder, said that
message
could be deleted. So I did, or thought so, anyway.

Pressed delete key but message stayed in Inbox. Checked Deleted
folder,
empty. Went back to Inbox, but only Folder pane showed any
content--thread  message panes were both blank. Assumed some
background
process was taking up processor time, but Task Manager showed 99%
system
idle time, and there was no network traffic.

No background CPU takeover, no scheduled tasks running, no busy
network.
I left it ticking over for a full 5 minutes without change, then
closed
the SM Mail window (browser never open). Verified seamonkey.exe
process
was absent from Task Manager and re-opened Mail--deleted same message
again and it worked perfectly, and for everything after that.

Suggestions?


You must allow your hard working SM program to take a coffee break.
As you know that since the start of the rapid release policy
the program hasn't had a chance to stop to draw a decent breath.



I've had hangs with 2.4.1 where my only recourse (I've waited as much as
an hour) is to kill the process. Many of them, but by no means all of
them, seem to be associated with downloads.

(Before 2.4.1, I've almost never had a hang or crash with SeaMonkey. Now
it is once every day or two.)

(This is on Windows 7 64 bit.)

Bob

I think I've sorted this one. My only known issue is with deleting
messages. Killing all SM processes, I've gone into my profile directory
and deleted the Mail\Trash.msf file, then restarted SM. Prior to this,
anytime anything was selected for deletion, that's when SM stops playing
nice. The clue this time was that I could click on any folder/subfolder
in my folder pane with instant results, but clicking on 'Deleted' gave
me a blank message thread pane and a cursor with an hourglass. Soon as I
clicked on something else the hourglass disappeared and everything
worked normally.

First tried to go through SM email account prefs to change the pointer
for Deleted, but there's no GUI option to change that one folder
destination. So I did it the hard way. For now, SM seems to be happy.

We'll see.


Rickles, have you tried File-Empty Trash and then File-Compact Folders
to reduce the size of your mail folders??

Yeah, but that hadn't helped.  Nothing is very big, and I have the 
options set to auto-compact when the space savings is over 1 Mbyte. 
While I do have some emails that go back nearly 10 years, I don't have 
1,000's  of them, and my entire mail profile folder is less than 400Meg. 
 My trash is auto-emptied whenever I close Mail, as well.  I try to 
keep things from getting too cluttered.

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Re: Seamonkey hangups

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Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:



cmcadams wrote:

Peter wrote:

I use three computers regularly, and all have the hangup problem
where Seamonkey
stops responding for up to 30 seconds at a time for no apparent
reason. I've actually
had to stop using Seamonkey on one of the computers now, because the
frozen to usable
ratio is too high to get anything done.

I believe that Seamonkey is busy doing something that it thinks is
too important to
give up CPU cycles to the user.

I've seen lots of people reporting similar problems - is there
anything that we can
do to help find a solution? Perhaps some way of us determining what
Seamonkey is
actually doing when it hangs?

Peter


Also here, when the Seamonkey IMAP client sees (or is told) that
a new message has arrived and starts downloading it. Typing can
completely freeze for several seconds, if not longer.

Philip Taylor
See also my thread, 
news://news.mozilla.org:119/-vkdnwtcnl3_vqltnz2dnuvz_oydn...@mozilla.org, which 
calls out a complete freeze of Mail, without Composition or actively 
downloading messages.  And the CPU shows no usage.

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Re: More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Bob Fleischer wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1
SeaMonkey/2.4.1.

Others have complained about SM appearing to hang, or at least take a
ridiculously long time to do something as simple as delete an email. I'd
never seen it before, until today.

Normally the PC's been on most of the day while I've been at work, but
today the house was empty all day  I was the first home. Turned PC on
and left it un-logged in for approx. an hour.

Logged in, waited for systray icons to all appear showing all 'run' apps
completed, and opened SM Mail. It opened, downloaded 3 short text
messages. The wife read one message over my shoulder, said that message
could be deleted. So I did, or thought so, anyway.

Pressed delete key but message stayed in Inbox. Checked Deleted folder,
empty. Went back to Inbox, but only Folder pane showed any
content--thread  message panes were both blank. Assumed some background
process was taking up processor time, but Task Manager showed 99% system
idle time, and there was no network traffic.

No background CPU takeover, no scheduled tasks running, no busy network.
I left it ticking over for a full 5 minutes without change, then closed
the SM Mail window (browser never open). Verified seamonkey.exe process
was absent from Task Manager and re-opened Mail--deleted same message
again and it worked perfectly, and for everything after that.

Suggestions?


You must allow your hard working SM program to take a coffee break.
As you know that since the start of the rapid release policy
the program hasn't had a chance to stop to draw a decent breath.



I've had hangs with 2.4.1 where my only recourse (I've waited as much as
an hour) is to kill the process. Many of them, but by no means all of
them, seem to be associated with downloads.

(Before 2.4.1, I've almost never had a hang or crash with SeaMonkey. Now
it is once every day or two.)

(This is on Windows 7 64 bit.)

Bob
I think I've sorted this one.  My only known issue is with deleting 
messages.  Killing all SM processes, I've gone into my profile directory 
and deleted the Mail\Trash.msf file, then restarted SM.  Prior to this, 
anytime anything was selected for deletion, that's when SM stops playing 
nice.  The clue this time was that I could click on any folder/subfolder 
in my folder pane with instant results, but clicking on 'Deleted' gave 
me a blank message thread pane and a cursor with an hourglass.  Soon as 
I clicked on something else the hourglass disappeared and everything 
worked normally.


First tried to go through SM email account prefs to change the pointer 
for Deleted, but there's no GUI option to change that one folder 
destination.  So I did it the hard way.  For now, SM seems to be happy.


We'll see.
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Re: Seamonkey hangups

[Rickles]

Rickles wrote:

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:



cmcadams wrote:

Peter wrote:

I use three computers regularly, and all have the hangup problem
where Seamonkey
stops responding for up to 30 seconds at a time for no apparent
reason. I've actually
had to stop using Seamonkey on one of the computers now, because the
frozen to usable
ratio is too high to get anything done.

I believe that Seamonkey is busy doing something that it thinks is
too important to
give up CPU cycles to the user.

I've seen lots of people reporting similar problems - is there
anything that we can
do to help find a solution? Perhaps some way of us determining what
Seamonkey is
actually doing when it hangs?

Peter


Also here, when the Seamonkey IMAP client sees (or is told) that
a new message has arrived and starts downloading it. Typing can
completely freeze for several seconds, if not longer.

Philip Taylor

See also my thread,
news://news.mozilla.org:119/-vkdnwtcnl3_vqltnz2dnuvz_oydn...@mozilla.org, which
calls out a complete freeze of Mail, without Composition or actively
downloading messages. And the CPU shows no usage.
I think I've sorted this one.  My only known issue is with deleting 
messages.  Killing all SM processes, I've gone into my profile directory 
and deleted the Mail\Trash.msf file, then restarted SM.  Prior to this, 
anytime anything was selected for deletion, that's when SM stops playing 
nice.  The clue this time was that I could click on any folder/subfolder 
in my folder pane with instant results, but clicking on 'Deleted' gave 
me a blank message thread pane and a cursor with an hourglass.  Soon as 
I clicked on something else the hourglass disappeared and everything 
worked normally.


First tried to go through SM email account prefs to change the pointer 
for Deleted, but there's no GUI option to change that one folder 
destination.  So I did it the hard way.  For now, SM seems to be happy.


We'll see.
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More on unexplained SM 'hangs'?

[Rickles]

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 
SeaMonkey/2.4.1.


Others have complained about SM appearing to hang, or at least take a 
ridiculously long time to do something as simple as delete an email. 
I'd never seen it before, until today.


Normally the PC's been on most of the day while I've been at work, but 
today the house was empty all day  I was the first home.  Turned PC on 
and left it un-logged in for approx. an hour.


Logged in, waited for systray icons to all appear showing all 'run' apps 
completed, and opened SM Mail.  It opened, downloaded 3 short text 
messages.  The wife read one message over my shoulder, said that message 
could be deleted.  So I did, or thought so, anyway.


Pressed delete key but message stayed in Inbox.  Checked Deleted folder, 
empty.  Went back to Inbox, but only Folder pane showed any 
content--thread  message panes were both blank.  Assumed some 
background process was taking up processor time, but Task Manager showed 
99% system idle time, and there was no network traffic.


No background CPU takeover, no scheduled tasks running, no busy network. 
 I left it ticking over for a full 5 minutes without change, then 
closed the SM Mail window (browser never open).  Verified seamonkey.exe 
process was absent from Task Manager and re-opened Mail--deleted same 
message again and it worked perfectly, and for everything after that.


Suggestions?
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Re: Bookmarks

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Frog wrote:

I have found what appears to be my lost bookmarks in the following file:

C:\Documents and Settings\frog\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ef6mjiq5.default\bookmarks.html

I believe that this is a good start at making my bookmarks work again.
At the present time, however, I don't know how to make them appear when
I click Bookmarks on my Web page. Do I now have to import the files from
bookmarks.html into the web browser? If not, how do I get them to
reappear when I click bookmarks at the top of my Web page window?

Please help me or give me a suggestion on where to find the answer to
this lingering problem.

Thanks,
Frog
Your html file is the old way that SM used to store the bookmark info. 
Now it uses an SQLite datebase mechanism.  You must import the html file 
into the Bookmark Manager database.


In your browser window, open 'Bookmarks' then click 'Manage Bookmarks'. 
 In the new window that opens, click 'Tools', then 'Import HTML'.  In 
the next window, click the 'File' radio button and then 'Next'.  You'll 
be presented with a Windows Explorer dialog window to navigate to your 
HTML file.  Select the file then click 'Open' and away you go.


And this is all spelled out in SM's Help under Customising SeaMonkey.
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Re: Accidently 'compacting' a message vaporized my Inbox

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Jens Hatlak wrote:

Jeff Dunstan wrote:

Hello, Whenever I first delete an unwanted email from my SeaMonkey
Inbox a popup asked if I now want to compact the deletion. Have always
closed/cancelled this box until today. This time I hit the OK by
mistake and ZAP, my entire Inbox was emptied !!


Maybe it only seemed like everything was gone. Did you try to switch to
a different folder and then revisit your inbox?

The issue with compacting (and the reason for not to have it run
automatically all the time) is that it can destroy the current view. If
you for example are viewing a saved search folder and compacting runs,
the thread pane may be broken until you switch to another folder and
back. This is because compacting unsets the new flag of messages, i.e.
after compacting, all messages lose their new state.

The workaround for me was to increase the auto-compacting limit (see
Preferences, Mail  Newsgroups, Network  Storage, Disk Space).


Can it's contents be recovered?


Only if it's a view issue as described above. If the compacting actually
deleted information, it is lost.


BTW, nowhere is it mentioned/hinted-at that 'compact' means erase
everything !!


Because it's not supposed to do anything beyond deleting messages for
good that have been scheduled for deletion.

HTH

Jens

My wife has experienced the same issue twice now.  First time she lost 
the entire Inbox contents, this time we had a real-time backup package 
running, which gave me a restore.  I had to delete both the Inbox and 
Inbox.msf files from the profile, restore the Inbox from backup and then 
restart SM.


Today's scenario:  She had recieved 6 new messages, and had some 
15-20-odd already present in the Inbox.  She read the first new one in 
the preview pane, pressed Delete, acknowledged the 'do you really want 
to' dialog, and her Inbox emptied, with a co-incident status message at 
the bottom that her Deleted folder was finishing compacting.  Go figure.


I've been following SM for years as many here have, and it's only after 
v2.1+ this has happened.  I've stressed to her about making sure the 
message itself has focus as opposed to the Inbox in the mailbox tree 
pane, and we'll see what happens.

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Re: Tab group behavior a little off?

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

OS is WinXP Pro SP3, patched/updated.
Browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110813
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3
Have been using SM for years (thanks, devs), only upgraded from v2.0.14
to 2.3 as a full-install-overwrite last night.

Home page: defined as a group of 4 tabs, all with the BBC (news,
currencies, 2 x weather).

When browser opens, home group opens as normal. If Home Group is already
open and the Home button clicked, the focused-tab is overwritten with
the first of the replacement group tabs, and the remaining 3 are added
to what's there, so you end up with 7 tabs (3 pairs of duplicates and
one single). This repeats arithmetically each time you click Home. If I
close all but 1 tab and click Home, I end up with just the Home group of
tabs. It makes no difference whether any of the existing tabs actually
are still on the sites they originally opened up to (go shopping at
Amazon on one, Google maps on another, etc.) all but 1 existing tab stay
the same. That one is overwritten and 3 more added.

My preference is for tab groups is to 'Replace existing tabs'. I have
toggled this setting to 'Add...', closed SM and started over, then
changed the setting back to 'Replace...', then restarted SM again but
still the same.

Add-on Compat. Reporter 0.8.7 is installed. I have 2 add-ons relating to
tabs: IE Tab Plus and SeaTab X. Both are as current a version as can be
had; Reporter says IE Tab Plus isn't any good, but SeaTab X is OK. I've
disabled both and restarted SM, still same behavior. Three other add-ons
are reported by Compat. Reporter as no good with SM 2.3, but disabling
them didn't change anything, either. Other than this one issue, so far
2.3 appears stable.

Thoughts?


I have a group of five tabs for my homepage and just tried clicking on
the browser icon twice from the mail  newsgroup screen. Only ended up
with the one set of tabs.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110820
SeaMonkey/2.3.1

The first time you clicked on the browser icon, it opened your browser 
home page group of tabs.  If you don't close the browser window but don 
try the browser icon again, SM is smart enough not to open a new window, 
'cause one's already open.  What we're describing as faulty is what 
happens when you click on your browser's Home button when tabs are 
already open--if your preferences are set for the tab group to REPLACE 
what's already open, it still ADDS to what's open, instead.  So if you 
have the Home group open and then click on Home again, you get duplicates.


And the SMv 2.3.1 had no effect on this, it's the same since v2.1.  But 
v2.0.14 doesn't do it.

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Re: Tab group behavior a little off?

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

OS is WinXP Pro SP3, patched/updated.
Browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110813
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3
Have been using SM for years (thanks, devs), only upgraded from v2.0.14
to 2.3 as a full-install-overwrite last night.

Home page: defined as a group of 4 tabs, all with the BBC (news,
currencies, 2 x weather).

When browser opens, home group opens as normal. If Home Group is
already
open and the Home button clicked, the focused-tab is overwritten with
the first of the replacement group tabs, and the remaining 3 are added
to what's there, so you end up with 7 tabs (3 pairs of duplicates and
one single). This repeats arithmetically each time you click Home. If I
close all but 1 tab and click Home, I end up with just the Home
group of
tabs. It makes no difference whether any of the existing tabs actually
are still on the sites they originally opened up to (go shopping at
Amazon on one, Google maps on another, etc.) all but 1 existing tab
stay
the same. That one is overwritten and 3 more added.

My preference is for tab groups is to 'Replace existing tabs'. I have
toggled this setting to 'Add...', closed SM and started over, then
changed the setting back to 'Replace...', then restarted SM again but
still the same.

Add-on Compat. Reporter 0.8.7 is installed. I have 2 add-ons
relating to
tabs: IE Tab Plus and SeaTab X. Both are as current a version as can be
had; Reporter says IE Tab Plus isn't any good, but SeaTab X is OK. I've
disabled both and restarted SM, still same behavior. Three other
add-ons
are reported by Compat. Reporter as no good with SM 2.3, but disabling
them didn't change anything, either. Other than this one issue, so far
2.3 appears stable.

Thoughts?


I have a group of five tabs for my homepage and just tried clicking on
the browser icon twice from the mail  newsgroup screen. Only ended up
with the one set of tabs.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110820
SeaMonkey/2.3.1


The first time you clicked on the browser icon, it opened your browser
home page group of tabs. If you don't close the browser window but don
try the browser icon again, SM is smart enough not to open a new window,
'cause one's already open. What we're describing as faulty is what
happens when you click on your browser's Home button when tabs are
already open--if your preferences are set for the tab group to REPLACE
what's already open, it still ADDS to what's open, instead. So if you
have the Home group open and then click on Home again, you get
duplicates.

And the SMv 2.3.1 had no effect on this, it's the same since v2.1. But
v2.0.14 doesn't do it.


Sorry, poor explanation on my part!

I was in SM Mail  News, clicked the icon for SM browser, my five site
Home group opened, without closing anything I switched back to Mail 
News and re-clicked the Browser icon.still just the five sites
showing up.

O.K., so this time I had Mail  News open, clicked on the Browser icon
in the bottom left, Five Sites Home Group opened in the browser. So this
time I clicked on the Browser Icon in the bottom left of the Browser
Screenand got a second Browser screen with my five tabs.

In Edit-Preferences-Browser-Link Behavior, I've got Links from other
applications set to A new tab in the current window.

Again, the SM suite is working as it's supposed to, near as I can tell. 
 Mine does the same thing, but your 'Links from other applications' 
doesn't apply to the SM browser, calling from inside itself.  After all, 
there may be a very good reason for you to want to open a new SM browser 
window with it's own tabs, separate from anything you're doing in the 
first window.


'...other applications...' refers to hyperlinks from, say, MS Word or 
Adobe Acrobat or some such.  If you have a browser window open, and then 
click on a link from a Word doc, does that link open in it's own window, 
or does it open in a new tab in the extant browser window?  That's what 
that preference means.  And that behavior has nothing to do with the 
original message of this thread.

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Re: Tab group behavior a little off?

[Rickles]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Rickles wrote:

OS is WinXP Pro SP3, patched/updated.
Browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110813
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3
Have been using SM for years (thanks, devs), only upgraded from v2.0.14
to 2.3 as a full-install-overwrite last night.

Home page: defined as a group of 4 tabs, all with the BBC (news,
currencies, 2 x weather).

When browser opens, home group opens as normal.  If Home Group is
already open and the Home button clicked, the focused-tab is overwritten
with the first of the replacement group tabs, and the remaining 3 are
added to what's there, so you end up with 7 tabs (3 pairs of duplicates
and one single).  This repeats arithmetically each time you click Home.
  If I close all but 1 tab and click Home, I end up with just the Home
group of tabs.  It makes no difference whether any of the existing tabs
actually are still on the sites they originally opened up to (go
shopping at Amazon on one, Google maps on another, etc.) all but 1
existing tab stay the same.  That one is overwritten and 3 more added.

My preference is for tab groups is to 'Replace existing tabs'.  I have
toggled this setting to 'Add...', closed SM and started over, then
changed the setting back to 'Replace...', then restarted SM again but
still the same.

Add-on Compat. Reporter 0.8.7 is installed.  I have 2 add-ons relating
to tabs: IE Tab Plus and SeaTab X.  Both are as current a version as can
be had; Reporter says IE Tab Plus isn't any good, but SeaTab X is OK.
I've disabled both and restarted SM, still same behavior.  Three other
add-ons are reported by Compat. Reporter as no good with SM 2.3, but
disabling them didn't change anything, either.  Other than this one
issue, so far 2.3 appears stable.

Thoughts?


That behavior really sucks. It occurs in 2.1 and above but not in 2.0.14
or before. The bug is documented at
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369440 and again in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612707 by me. Philip Chee
said he caused the problem when he was working on activating the middle
click button on the mouse but nothing is being done (AFAIK) to fix it.

I'm sticking with 2.0.14 until this is fixed so that clicking Home will
'Replace existing tabs' with the Home Group of tabs and not just add the
tabs as is now the case.
Glad to see it's not a fault in my profile or add-on clash issue, but 
it's been 4-1/2 years on the go without resolution or even a bit more 
investigation??  Once I get signed up to BugZilla I'll vote and add my 
confirmation/description.  Maybe it'll help.

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Tab group behavior a little off?

[Rickles]

OS is WinXP Pro SP3, patched/updated.
Browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110813 
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3
Have been using SM for years (thanks, devs), only upgraded from v2.0.14 
to 2.3 as a full-install-overwrite last night.


Home page: defined as a group of 4 tabs, all with the BBC (news, 
currencies, 2 x weather).


When browser opens, home group opens as normal.  If Home Group is 
already open and the Home button clicked, the focused-tab is overwritten 
with the first of the replacement group tabs, and the remaining 3 are 
added to what's there, so you end up with 7 tabs (3 pairs of duplicates 
and one single).  This repeats arithmetically each time you click Home. 
 If I close all but 1 tab and click Home, I end up with just the Home 
group of tabs.  It makes no difference whether any of the existing tabs 
actually are still on the sites they originally opened up to (go 
shopping at Amazon on one, Google maps on another, etc.) all but 1 
existing tab stay the same.  That one is overwritten and 3 more added.


My preference is for tab groups is to 'Replace existing tabs'.  I have 
toggled this setting to 'Add...', closed SM and started over, then 
changed the setting back to 'Replace...', then restarted SM again but 
still the same.


Add-on Compat. Reporter 0.8.7 is installed.  I have 2 add-ons relating 
to tabs: IE Tab Plus and SeaTab X.  Both are as current a version as can 
be had; Reporter says IE Tab Plus isn't any good, but SeaTab X is OK. 
I've disabled both and restarted SM, still same behavior.  Three other 
add-ons are reported by Compat. Reporter as no good with SM 2.3, but 
disabling them didn't change anything, either.  Other than this one 
issue, so far 2.3 appears stable.


Thoughts?
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Re: Help me customize Seamonkey's newsgroup toolbar

[Rickles]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:47:32 +0100, Rickles wrote:

Joe32065 wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:



Have you considered using a wireless/bluetooth mouse? If you have a
iPhone there's probably an app for that.



I have a wireless mouse. What I want to do is eliminate the need to use
the keyboard. It would be much easier to click thread read if it was on
the main toolbar instead of in a submenu. Thanks



Since you already have the wireless mouse, wouldn't it be easier to
simply use it to click on the Mark button dropdown and select the 'As
Read' or 'Flag' option you want?  You'd only have to move one hand that
way, as long as you can see the screen.  No keyboard action needed.


Well the obvious next question is: have you considered a wireless *keyboard*

Phil

The OP stated previously he wants to remove the NEED of a keyboard to do 
this one thing.  Seems a bit pointless, though, if a mouse can do it in 
2 clicks.

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Re: Help me customize Seamonkey's newsgroup toolbar

[Rickles]

Joe32065 wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:55:39 -0400, Joe32065 wrote:

When I use Seamonkey to read newsgroups, I lean back in my chair and put
my feet on the desk. So I can't use the keyboard at all. The Mark
button has an arrow next to it. When you click on the arrow, you can
scroll down to Thread as read. There is plenty of empty space next to
the mark button. If I could eliminate the arrow and have separate
buttons for thread as read, as read by date, and all read, it would be
much easier. As it is now, I have to take the dog out of my lap, sit
up, pull out the keyboard, and then hit the letter t. There is enough
space to eliminate the arrow next to Next as well Message, Unread
message, and Flagged message could all have a button on the main bar.
Right clicking on the toolbar and selecting customize gives you very
little that you can change. If there is an easy way to do this I would
thank you. My little dog would thank you too.


Have you considered using a wireless/bluetooth mouse? If you have a
iPhone there's probably an app for that.

Phil


I have a wireless mouse. What I want to do is eliminate the need to use
the keyboard. It would be much easier to click thread read if it was on
the main toolbar instead of in a submenu. Thanks
Since you already have the wireless mouse, wouldn't it be easier to 
simply use it to click on the Mark button dropdown and select the 'As 
Read' or 'Flag' option you want?  You'd only have to move one hand that 
way, as long as you can see the screen.  No keyboard action needed.

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Re: Where do I find SeaTab X

[Rickles]

Stan wrote:

CatThief wrote:

Stan wrote the following on 03-18-2011 11:17 AM:


I think this subject may have come up not too long ago but I couldn't
find it.

I got notification of an update to SeaTab X and installed it. Now I
would like to go back to the way it was but cannot find it.

Thanks Stan


You won't find the older version at my site. The latest version includes
bug fixes. Why do you want to revert back to the way it was?


I like the version where there is an X in each tab. Makes the most sense
and ease of use for me.
Just installed it myself, and I like it--it does just what you say you 
want.  This is one of the 2 functions from the old 'MultiZilla' 
extension that I miss from SM v1.x (the other being tab focus change 
through mouse hover).


The difference for SeaTab X is which version you install, and that's 
based on which version of SM you're installing it into.  If you have SM 
2.0.x, you should have SeaTab X v 1.0.7.  SM v2.1.x uses SeaTab X 
v1.1.2.  Check your versions and uninstall/install as necessary.

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Re: DOM inspector?

[Rickles]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

On or about 2/13/2011 I received an automatic update for the DOM
inspector. Several days ago I needed to do a system restore to
2/13 and now I don't know if that DOM update is still installed
or was wiped out.
How do I check on the currency status of my DOM inspector? and
How would I reinstall the update if needed?

System is 64 bit WIN 7 ultimate. But SM is 32bit.
On your Menu bar, go to Tools - Add-on Manager.  The newest DOM 
Inspector is v2.0.9.  If yours is lower, then you can force an update.


In the lower-right of the Add-ons window, click on 'Find Updates'.  If 
you get a warning about Software Installation being disabled, a button 
will be available to turn it back on, then click 'Find Updates' again. 
Any Add-ons you have installed will be checked for updates, and you can 
de-select any you don't wish to update.


Once you pick  choose what you want to update, click 'Install Updates'; 
you'll be prompted to restart SM when it's done, but that's it.


As a final step, if you did see the warning about software installation, 
you'll want to turn it back off again.  Go to 'Edit - Preferences - 
Advanced - Software Installation'.  Make sure all 3 boxes are NOT 
checked if you want to block any possibility of software installation 
that you don't explicitly ask for.

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Re: E-mail problem

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Mike C wrote:

George  Pat Achilles wrote:

...


Mike C, as I understand it, the limit is not so much how many messages
you have in you box, but the total size of all the messages, even those
supposedly deleted since you last Compacted your file, and all the
attachments to those messages.

HTH

Daniel

Does anyone know the technical size limit?


How big is your disk drive and do you have a 32 bit or a 64 bit computer?


Didn't Windows (Mike's system) just raise it's max file size limit from
2GB to 4GB??

Daniel
Windoze file size limitations are based on the type of disk format being 
used.  FAT32 has a 4GB physical file sime limit, where NTFS doesn't.  If 
you have a PC with XP, Vista or Win7 running on NTFS volumes and you've 
got a large (4GB) video file you want to copy to a USB flash pen, even 
if the pen has the space, if it's formatted in FAT32 then the file won't 
copy.  The flash pen isn't defective, it simply can't 'see' files that big.

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Re: LogMeIn Firefox plugin for SM2!!

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Danny Kile wrote:

Rickles wrote:

I apologize in advance if this has been published before, but I can't
find it and don't remember seeing it.

For those users of LogMeIn who are fed up with being prompted for the
Firefox plugin install, and then seeing that it's not compatible with
SM, I have put together a solution.

*-Download the file 'npRACtrl_ff3.xpi' from the LogMeIn site.

*-Using an archive tool such as WinZip or WinRAR, open the XPI archive
file

*-In the root directory inside the archive, open the 'install.rdf' file
(open with or select program dialogs, if necessary)

*-In the file, find the section with the beginning  ending tags of
em:targetApplication and /em:targetApplication

*-Select the entire section and replace it with the text below:

em:targetApplication
Description
em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:id
em:minVersion2.0a/em:minVersion
em:maxVersion2.1a1pre/em:maxVersion
/Description
/em:targetApplication

*-Close the text editor, answering any prompts for saving files as yes
or OK.

*-Select and delete the 'META-INF' folder. It contains metadata which
tells whether the file has been altered, which we just have.

*-Close the archive software, again saving changes.

*-Install the plugin into SM as normal and you're off!

This works on a WinXP Pro SP3 machine with SM 2.0.11, and I no longer
see prompts to install it, and the full-screen, etc., now work with
LogMeIn as they're supposed to. I've put all this in a contact email to
them, but if they don't change their XPI, at least we can do it
ourselves.


Where can this be downloaded a link would be very helpful.
The file path is https://secure.logmein.com/activex/npRACtrl_ff3.xpi;, 
but if you simply put that url in your browser it will start the 
installer process in SM.


If you're using SM reporting as SM, knowledge base article with it's 
link to the XPI download won't appear.  Spoofing your browser may work 
if you set that immediately after you log in, but my way was to log into 
LogMeIn and switch to an IE tab.   Go to Support, select for LogMeIn 
Free, then select the Knowledge Base.  In the search field type 
'firefox', and look under the Articles heading for How do I manually 
install the Firefox plugin?  Assuming you can see the article text and 
the link I pasted above is visible, right-click and select Save target 
as  Now you have the file to manipulate.


Note, I inadvertantly left out 1 comment from my original instructions: 
when you open the 'install.rdf' file, do it in a text editor (Notepad).


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LogMeIn Firefox plugin for SM2!!

[Rickles]

I apologize in advance if this has been published before, but I can't 
find it and don't remember seeing it.


For those users of LogMeIn who are fed up with being prompted for the 
Firefox plugin install, and then seeing that it's not compatible with 
SM, I have put together a solution.


*-Download the file 'npRACtrl_ff3.xpi' from the LogMeIn site.

*-Using an archive tool such as WinZip or WinRAR, open the XPI archive file

*-In the root directory inside the archive, open the 'install.rdf' file 
(open with or select program dialogs, if necessary)


*-In the file, find the section with the beginning  ending tags of 
em:targetApplication and /em:targetApplication


*-Select the entire section and replace it with the text below:

em:targetApplication
Description
  em:id{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}/em:id
  em:minVersion2.0a/em:minVersion
  em:maxVersion2.1a1pre/em:maxVersion
/Description
/em:targetApplication

*-Close the text editor, answering any prompts for saving files as yes 
or OK.


*-Select and delete the 'META-INF' folder.  It contains metadata which 
tells whether the file has been altered, which we just have.


*-Close the archive software, again saving changes.

*-Install the plugin into SM as normal and you're off!

This works on a WinXP Pro SP3 machine with SM 2.0.11, and I no longer 
see prompts to install it, and the full-screen, etc., now work with 
LogMeIn as they're supposed to.  I've put all this in a contact email to 
them, but if they don't change their XPI, at least we can do it ourselves.

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Re: Autofill Forms

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Tom Pamin wrote:

I'm using Autofill Forms, and would like to add some stored fields for
things that are missing, such as payment info, etc. Can someone tell me
if it's possible to add more fields, and if so, how to do it?

Sounds like you're talking about changing the programming in the add-on.

Best bet would be to go to 
'http://autofillforms.mozdev.org/support.html' and have a read of the 
documentation for that add-on.  If that doesn't answer your questions, 
then use the link to their dedicated newsgroup and ask there.  Their 
developer(s) can give you a better answer than from here.

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Re: Notification on birthdays from SeaMonkey (SM) v2's addressbooks?

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Ant wrote:

On 12/29/2010 9:01 AM PT, Rickles typed:


Not natively, but there are a couple of alternatives:
*-Lightning, which is a calendar development and separate program (like
browser and email are separate programs of the suite)
*-An SM add-on called ReminderFox.

I can't speak for Lightning, but there is a support newsgroup for it on
this server. We use ReminderFox, which integrates into the browser and
mail windows. You set your reminders by date, and how you want the
program to remind you, and you're set. It doesn't read anything from
your *.mab files, but once you've put recurring events in, it'll repeat
the reminders next time 'round.

We have it installed on SM 2.0.11 under XP and Windows 7 machines, and
no complaints.


Also, I don't see it mentions SeaMonkey support in
http://www.reminderfox.org/documentation-install/ ... Or is there
another site to get it for SM2?

At the following link you'll find many different add-ons to SeaMonkey:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/

At the top of the list when I last viewed it was ReminderFox (you may 
have to scroll to find it.)  Click on the 'Add to SeaMonkey' link and 
you should be prompted about installing it.  Click on 'Install now' and 
the file will download and install in one step.  In order to see the 
add-on functioning you'll have to re-start SM, and then you can 
customize to your heart's content.


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Re: Notification on birthdays from SeaMonkey (SM) v2's addressbooks?

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Ant wrote:

Hi!

Is there a way SM2 can notify users about birthdays from its
addressbooks (*.mab) like an alarm or something?

Thank you in advance. :)

Not natively, but there are a couple of alternatives:
*-Lightning, which is a calendar development and separate program (like 
browser and email are separate programs of the suite)

*-An SM add-on called ReminderFox.

I can't speak for Lightning, but there is a support newsgroup for it on 
this server.  We use ReminderFox, which integrates into the browser and 
mail windows.  You set your reminders by date, and how you want the 
program to remind you, and you're set.  It doesn't read anything from 
your *.mab files, but once you've put recurring events in, it'll repeat 
the reminders next time 'round.


We have it installed on SM 2.0.11 under XP and Windows 7 machines, and 
no complaints.

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Pls confirm mail client vs server operation

[Rickles]

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; 
rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10


Only 1 email account, POP3 mailbox.  ADSL broadband normally tests as 
5+Kbps download, 380+bps upload.  Local exchange upgraded couple of 
weeks ago by British Telecom, but my problem pre-dates that by some weeks.


For some time now, I've been experiencing issues with outgoing mail 
(SMTP) only.  Downloads of new mail and newsgroup headers, and web pages 
works as well as it ever does (I hate contention, don't you?)  But 
randomly when sending mail, the send process can take quite a bit of 
time, even fail completely. An immediate re-send without closing the 
original composition window almost always works.  The number of 
recipients doesn't matter, nor does the size of the email (from 1 line 
of text to a 5MB Word doc).  And then there's time of day, also NOT a 
contributing factor.


Aside from disabling/uninstalling my AV software, checking NIC drivers, 
etc., I've used network sniffing tool WireShark to look at what's going 
on.  I think I've found one issue belonging to the ISP: during the send 
process, all recipient addresses are sent to the ISP, one at a time. 
The server acknowledges the receipt of one name, and then after a delay 
sends a code for SM's mail client to send the next one.  The 
delay/failure I'm seeing appears to be based on how long it takes the 
server to finish chewing on what was sent and then ask for the next bit.


I've got packet trace captures for 4 events where everything works as 
expected, and 4 traces when it took either very long or failed 
altogether.  The ISP says it must be something at my end, 'cause no one 
else is reporting it, therefor it must be my mail client.


Can anyone confirm the expected mail client/server behavior, or point me 
at an authoritative web source for the info?  My ISP's level 3 support 
is convinced it's me, and my traffic sniffing captures say it's them, 
but they don't appear interested in that.


Any help appreciated.
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Re: Video feeds start-stop-start

[Rickles]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/27/10 8:48 AM, Rickles wrote:

Using Moz 2.0.10 on XP Pro (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U;
Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10)

I've been experiencing something for some time now that I don't get:
clicking on a web site's link to a piece of streaming video pulls the
video down, but it's not quite right.  As an example, the BBC does a lot
of video feeds from their BBC iPlayer setup, links can be found at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news.  Clicking on a link gives you a spinning dots
circle while the connection is made, but then the video starts.  And
then stops after about 3 seconds, then restarts and plays through
normally.  It's that stop-restart that's puzzling me.

I've run various BBC web sites through the W3C Validator, and they come
up clean.  I'm using the latest drivers for my chipset and video card.
I've changed hardware acceleration settings, but no help.

I've updated to the newest Flash Player, specifically choosing the
'other browsers' option.  If anything, it's made things worse.  The
delay between start-stop-restart is longer now than before.  And
re-playing the same clips doesn't change it either--caching doesn't
appear to be playing a part.

Any ideas?



The delay might be caused by slow delivery from the BBC server (possibly
busy delivering to more viewers than it was designed to handle),
Internet congestion, a slow Internet connection at your end, or an
attempt by your viewer to start showing the video before the view is
fully loaded and initialized.

I get such delays when the feed delivers video slower than my viewer
displays it.  I view what has been delivered.  Then, there is a pause
while more is delivered.  This was especially bad when I had dial-up.
With broadband (a cable modem), I still sometimes see this but only from
slow servers.

If your viewer has such an option, try setting it to delay until 30-60
seconds of download has been received and held in its buffer.  However,
many viewers do not have such an option.

The viewer has no such settings for download delays, etc.  And the 
stop-restart only occurs at the very start.  There's no lags or hiccups 
at any point during playback, regardless of how long the video is.  And 
it doesn't matter what time of day, either, which suggests its not a 
server workload issue.


I'm in the UK with the BBC, but the same behavior shows up if I play 
something from, say, a newspaper site in Ohio in the US.  Round-trip 
pings to sites in the UK average 10-35ms, where pings to US sites from 
the UK average 180ms.  My internet connection speed tests to around 
6Mbps on average, as well.


The BBC reference was just one example, but it's not the only site that 
I see this with.  Oh well, guess I just have to live with it.

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Re: location of profile folders on Seamonkey2

[Rickles]

L. Mark Hall wrote:

I have been migrating my profiles from SM1 to a new SM2 install. It
appears that the migration tool is placing all of the data in folders on
the C: drive in Documents and Settings. I need to have these profiles
live in their current location, which is on a different drive. How do I
go about doing that, since the migration tool didn't seem to offer any
options for where the new profiles were going?

LMH
Try the info at this link.  It's got all the info you'll need to sort it 
out.  http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder

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Video feeds start-stop-start

[Rickles]

Using Moz 2.0.10 on XP Pro (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; 
Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10)


I've been experiencing something for some time now that I don't get: 
clicking on a web site's link to a piece of streaming video pulls the 
video down, but it's not quite right.  As an example, the BBC does a lot 
of video feeds from their BBC iPlayer setup, links can be found at 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news.  Clicking on a link gives you a spinning dots 
circle while the connection is made, but then the video starts.  And 
then stops after about 3 seconds, then restarts and plays through 
normally.  It's that stop-restart that's puzzling me.


I've run various BBC web sites through the W3C Validator, and they come 
up clean.  I'm using the latest drivers for my chipset and video card. 
I've changed hardware acceleration settings, but no help.


I've updated to the newest Flash Player, specifically choosing the 
'other browsers' option.  If anything, it's made things worse.  The 
delay between start-stop-restart is longer now than before.  And 
re-playing the same clips doesn't change it either--caching doesn't 
appear to be playing a part.


Any ideas?

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Re: Feature request: send mail not earlier than ...

[Rickles]

JohnSmith wrote:

Feature request: send mail not earlier than ...
Ie. mail shall wait in outbound queue till a specified datetime.
How about installing ReminderFox?  It's a calendar event extension that 
keeps appintment info for you, and reminds you when/how you've defined a 
given event.


Once installed, there's a calendar icon available to use in customizing 
your tool bars in both Browser and Mail.  Create a reminder for 
someone's birthday, draft the email and when the reminder pops up, you 
send the message.  It won't send the email for you, but it will point 
out your pending message.

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Re: Can you see the pictures at this link?

[Rickles]

plonked wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

I'm trying to figure out if I have a SM 2.08 problem, or an Adobe
problem, or what?
TIA... for any checks. :)
bj


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/11/sanest-of-the-sane-top-25-signs-from-the-stewartcolbert-rally.php?img=25





No problem here using SM 2.0.10 and Firefox 3.6.12.


OK here.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15)
Gecko/20101027 Mnenhy/0.8.3 SeaMonkey/2.0.10

Also fine here:  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; 
rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10

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Re: Personal Tool Bar

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Norman Commodore wrote:

Hi -

Using SeaMonkey 2.09

I can't drag my website links to the Personal Tool bar.

Must be a simple item in the preferences that I'm overlooking.

Any suggestions from the group?

Thanks

Norm
That folder is part of the Bookmarks.html file.  Look in your profile 
location for that file, see if it's write-protected?  It shouldn't be.

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Re: userChrome diffs from SM1.x to 2.x

[Rickles]

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Rickles wrote:

Are the commands and object references in the userChrome.css files the
same between the v1.x and v2.x generations of SM?

I just updated to SM v2.0.8 from 1.1.19, and everything appears to
have
been migrated from the old to new profiles, including the old chrome
folder and contents. However, the view in the mail window I expect
hasn't made the change.

What I want is a non-white background for the mail folder and message
list (thread) panes. The previous SM setup had a pale green background
(color code #c5e2e2), but those settings aren't being picked up in
SM2.
Duirng my searches for a solution, I've seen many different
examples of
code suggested, usually to change fonts, but the structure of the code
in a lot of those examples has varied enough that I'm not happy with
making lots of arbitrary changes on my own just to see what happens.

There is a tool available called ChromEdit Plus, but it won't install
under SM 2.0.8 (compatibility error.) Some articles from the Moz pages
which talk about this sort of thing are 6 years old, and those
suggestions aren't working in my case.

Any suggestions?

Disregard. I spent another couple of hours searching, reading, going
blind on repeat links to the same places, etc., and finally stumbled on
one solution which worked. Now I just gotta decide which color hex code
I prefer.


and the solution was??

(for the benefit of others here that might want similar function.)

Daniel

Pasting the following into the userChrome.css file:

/* Folder and Message panes (color, very light green, c5e2e2) */
treechildren {
background-color: #c6e3e3 !important;
}

It does turn the mail folder and message thread panes background color
green, but there's an unexpected side effect with the browser as well
(to do with the location bar background color, but only under certain
conditions.) Not what I wanted, but I haven't the time to learn enough
about CSS code to sort it out right now. Cisco training takes up a lot
of time.


Thanks for posting that, Rickles. As for the location bar, have you
heard that web site security levels are now being displayed with the
background colour for the location bar.

Not sure of which version of SM 2.x this started in.

Daniel
Yeah, I'm already aware of the yellow-ish color change when you're at a 
secure (SSL) site.  What I referred to is in the drop-down for the 
location bar.


If I use the drop-down history of the location bar to select a 
prior-visited site, everything stays as it should be, color-wise.  Now, 
however, when I start typing anything manually into the location bar 
address field, the drop-down which appears has the same color background 
as the panes in Mail.  The address field background is always white, 
throughout (unless I'm at an SSL site).  Not what I expected, and it 
doesn't seem to affect anything else about the Browser views or 
behavior, but I'd sort of rather not have it happen.


So, if I manually select to view the history drop-down of the location 
bar, the background stays white.  If SM invokes the drop-down because 
I'm typing and it tries to autocomplete, the background is green.  If I 
remove the change from userChrome.css so that the mail panes are white, 
so now is the location drop-down.


Oh, by the way, the color hex string in the first line of my paste 
previously doesn't match the in-use hex string in the line of code.  I 
changed to a slightly lighter shade after the first working test, and 
didnt't change the comment.  The 'c6e3e3' is the in-use value.

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