Re: Demise of Sync - alternatives?
Bill Spikowski schrieb: Is updating Seamonkey to use Mozilla's new sync server something that's in the works and might be expected soon (say, the next month, rather than next year or not at all)? Someone needs to port the code. SeaMonkey is a volunteer project, so it needs someone to volunteer for doing this porting. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is SeaMonkey/2.12.1 compatible with Windows 10 ?
Ray_Net schrieb: My friend accepted the Windows10 upgrade, he was under Windows8 Now, he is under Windows10 and ... the SM mail is not functioning anymore. Is it normal that SM-mail "SeaMonkey/2.12.1" doesn't work under Windows10 after the "big upgrade" Any versions below 2.35 are not maintained and have grave publicly disclosed security issues. Of course, any work to even support Windows 10 decently did not even happen before Windows 10 started to exist at least in testing versions, and back when 2.12.1 came out, nobody even at Microsoft did know yet that Windows 10 would come or how it would look like. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this Maleware or a scam ?
DoctorBill schrieb: scam or Maleware Note that the word is malware, it's because it is malicious, not because it's male or female. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.33 released
Jonathan N. Little schrieb: I use IcoFX but it maxes out at 256px. If you want a vector, here is my drawing exported as a SVG: We do have an original SVG, but note that this logo is trademarked and therefore not entirely free to use, see http://www.seamonkey-project.org/legal/#trademark KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.33 released
Jonathan N. Little schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Jonathan N. Little schrieb: I use IcoFX but it maxes out at 256px. If you want a vector, here is my drawing exported as a SVG: We do have an original SVG, but note that this logo is trademarked and therefore not entirely free to use, see http://www.seamonkey-project.org/legal/#trademark Sorry, no intention for infringement. I only created the logo with a little extra gloss embellishment for my own person use. I only posted it without thinking because of the request here for a larger logo. I will remove the content. For your use, everything is fair game, of course :) KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey more secure than Firefox
Paul Bergsagel schrieb: Surprisingly SeaMonkey has been rated as more secure than Firefox Please scroll down to the second table: http://www.zdnet.com/article/mac-os-x-is-the-most-vulnerable-os-claims-security-firm/?tag=nl.e539s_cid=e539ttag=e539ftag=TRE17cfd61 Thank you SeaMonkey developers!!! This just confirms that a count of fixed vulnerabilities is a very bad measure for security. It just means that Firefox developers are more vigilant in finding and fixing security issues, while the small SeaMonkey team has no time to even look for any and just inherits platform fixes. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Firefox Marketplace support
Ronnie schrieb: Understood, given their possible future importance supporting it might be necessary or maybe break webapps off into its own directly launchable component like the others, not sure if you can shoe horn it together like that, just a thought. If you can contribute and work on that, getting them work with SeaMonkey is surely possible. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.32 released
PhillipJones schrieb: Thanks. I've turned back on SSL3. Next time I have to do this will see if this happens again. Note that this means you are making your computer intentionally insecure, for more information read https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/10/14/the-poodle-attack-and-the-end-of-ssl-3-0/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POODLE KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey's days numbered???
Miles Fidelman schrieb: But if that money is in good supply, the question is irrelevant. Exactly. But, perhaps, more relevant questions: - how much code is unique to SeaMonkey (vs. basic glue to combine Gecko, and the Thunderbird mail code into one package)? That's mostly the user interface code, and almost all of that, actually. - how much work is involved in maintaining the unique code? - how much work is involved in dealing with upstream changes? Those two together seem to be more than the current team can actually stem. Therefore, any help in those areas is very welcome. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey's days numbered???
Ruediger Lahl schrieb: *Ray_Net* wrote: The search deal between Google and Mozilla which provided funding for Mozilla has EXPIRED and is NOT BEING RENEWED. A new search deal has been stuck with Yahoo. Will the Yahoo search deal provide enough long term funding for Mozilla to keep development going. My fear is that the new deal with Yahoo means the slow demise of SeaMonkey (and Firefox). Their is not only one (US-)deal with Yahoo. Russia gets Yandex, China gets Baidu and Germany stays with Google. They all pay. Google doesn't pay anything any more, no matter if Firefox still defaults to them somewhere or not. That said, 1) there is no money shortage for Firefox, 2) SeaMonkey doesn't get any of that money, 3) let's better talk about which people can contribute to SeaMonkey in what fashion, that's more productive. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey's days numbered???
NoOp schrieb: I'd say your best bet is to support the volunteer developers that take time from their day jobs to work on the SeaMonkey project. Actually, that's the second best bet. The best bet is to actually try an actively help the project, be it with targeted testing and finding reproducible cases of problems and regression ranges for when problems have been introduced, be it with participating in meetings and trying to find areas you can help out with, or be it with actually contributing patches and code (and/or learning how to do that, which is a nice skill to learn anyhow). KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plugin check down?
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: I have a fast connection, and usually get an instantaneous response, but tonight https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ has been thinking for ten minutes (Win7 equivalent of the hourglass) without making up its mind. I can browse other sites fine. One of the largest datacenters that Mozilla uses had some network problems, so a number of Mozilla sites had issues. The issue has been solved now. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why no Save to ... option in Win7??
Daniel schrieb: Tonight, in my linux incarnation, I do get this screen so can select where I want to save the file to. Why didn't I get the choice in Win7?? Because the default setting for the storage location in Edit Preferences Browser Downloads is to safe to the Downloads folder of the OS. If you switch that to Always ask... then you will get a dialog for every download. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Large Files In Profile
David E. Ross schrieb: netpredictions.sqlite is used in a scheme to predict what domains you might request next so that a prefetch to a domain-name server (DNS) can resolve in advance the domain to its IP address. This is supposed to be controlled by the preference variable network.seer.enabled, which has the default value false (disabled) in SeaMonkey. It appears that even with network.seer.enabled set to false Note that it was true for a while (which did speed up network interactions quite a bit, the measurements of that were done on Firefox but should apply to SM as well) but it has been disabled by default as the feature had some issues, including crashes and the large size of this database. The feature will be completely reworked and probably not use this sqlite database in the future but just use information from the cache instead. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1009122 for the plan on this. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Large Files In Profile
Rob schrieb: The reason why some of the .sqlite files are so darn large is partly the silly pre-allocation that is done on them. Silly is in the eye of the beholder. The preallocation makes write access to the DB much faster. It's a tradeoff. The vast majority of people have local profiles on their computer and their disk space is huge and cheap, while their time probably isn't. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can Seamonkey bookmarks be used on Android?
BIll Spikowski schrieb: Is there any way that I could export Seamonkey bookmarks and use them on an Android tablet? If you use Firefox for Android 28 (old version) for setting it up, you can even use Sync for continuously synchronizing SeaMonkey with Firefox for Android. Firefox for Android switched to a newer version of Sync (powered by Firefox Accounts) in version 29, which SeaMonkey does not support yet. KaiRo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Ed Mullen schrieb: The vast majority of people here have no coding ability but do have a love of the product. If they have the ability to learn a coding ability, they should dare to do so. That would be *very* helpful. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Ed Mullen schrieb: I'm sure you're right. Presumably the volunteers all have actual jobs as well. Yes, mostly, and they probably won't give them up for a little bit of donation money. As I said, the more effective way to get things moving is to contribute one's own time and try to get into doing it oneself. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Ed Mullen schrieb: I don't know why the devs haven't embraced the idea. I think mostly because their problem for not doing more is not that they have too little money, but that they have too little time. Unfortunately, time is money does not really work in reality. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.21 [Linux] Cursor changing to Drag Drop (again)
NoOp schrieb: It appears as if 2.21 linux has reintroduced a variant of: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736811 Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor and the mouse buttons stop functioning In my case, the mouse buttons continue to work just fine, but draging the cursor across tabs seems to turn the cursor into DD on a regular basis. I cannot replicate in SM 2.21 Windows. Anyone else experiencing the same? Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 I'm seeing this quite often in my nightly builds, clicking on the active tab pulls it out of that state and back into normal working mode. I suspect that something to do with the tab bar is causing it but I have no concrete steps to reproduce and leads on the actual breakage. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Hartmut Figge wrote: After selecting a domain http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-a.png Yes, OK. After clicking on 'Forget About This Domain' on the context-menu of the domain http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-b.png Nope, doesn't happen here. In this case only 'Content Preferences' is selectable. After selecting http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-c.png Now 'Forget This Data' is clickable. What you describe would be acceptable. It's not what happens here. However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway. Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu item? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just
discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your
Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when
I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it
doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway.
Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item
call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does
anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu
item?
Agree, it's strange.
For some reason, it's acting as expected this morning, but it wasn't
yesterday. However, I did get this when I tried it a moment ago:
Timestamp: 8/4/2013 2:02:05 PM
Error: [Exception... '[JavaScript Error: browser is undefined {file:
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js line: 288}]' when
calling method: [nsIContentPrefObserver::onContentPrefRemoved]
nsresult: 0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)
location: JS frame :: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
:: ContentPrefService__notifyPrefRemoved :: line 600 data: yes]
Source File: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
Line: 603
Sounds like a bug, even thought not directly in the Data Manager. Should
probably be filed.
Robert Kaiser
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Re: 2.19 is here
MCBastos schrieb: 2. The release notes for 2.18 I still find it funny that we have and link *release* notes for something that wasn't *released* after all... ;-) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.19
Philip Taylor schrieb: Now reverted to 2.17.1. 2.19 cannot be used in its present state. OK, so when your OS is reporting things to your applications that you consider wrong, then your solution is to use old, insecure versions of the applications? Maybe you should either correct the OS settings or install an OS you can actually trust? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.19
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: A new release of an application on which I rely is terminally broken when used with medium-sized fonts (125%) as opposed to the default of small (100%). No, from all I know, it's now actually respecting that 125% setting while before it wrongly ignored this setting completely. So, from that POV, a bug has been actually fixed. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Loss of ownership after 2.19 upgrade
David Wilkinson schrieb: After upgrading to version 2.19 on a Windows 7 x64 system, my profile was not working properly. I tracked this down to the fact that I had lost ownership (and hence permissions) of prefs.js (and also sessionstore.json, and the safebrowsing folder). That's interesting to hear. Who was ownership turned to? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Loss of ownership after 2.19 upgrade
David Wilkinson schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: David Wilkinson schrieb: After upgrading to version 2.19 on a Windows 7 x64 system, my profile was not working properly. I tracked this down to the fact that I had lost ownership (and hence permissions) of prefs.js (and also sessionstore.json, and the safebrowsing folder). That's interesting to hear. Who was ownership turned to? I think that when I looked in Advanced Security Settings, it said the owner could not be displayed. But when I went to edit the owner, it was displayed as MachineName\Administrators. That's a group. I wonder if a group can be the owner in Windows... Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey is Great Browser, Composer, Email
Erness Wild schrieb: Seamonkey is just plain great. I hope it stays around a long time. It does everything I need for email, browsing and html page revisions to my website. If nobody's said it lately, then: Great Job people! It saves me time to do most anything on www. Thanks for your support! Of course, it's would be even more helpful if you could actively help the project: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:
WaltS schrieb: Shame about:robots isn't in SeaMonkey. But we have about:life instead! :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: The future
Ed Mullen schrieb: I am wondering, with the Mozilla org ditching Thunderbird, if SeaMonkey actually has a future. Mozilla is not ditching Thunderbird, it's being maintained and getting one major release per year, roughly (coinciding with the ESRs), where new features developed by the community are being shipped to the mass of users. Security releases come in between. The only thing Mozilla really isn't doing any more is paying developers to actually develop more new features. Some people are still being paid for doing the needed maintenance work and integrating new features developed by the community. And SeaMonkey is completely maintained and developed by the community. Yes, that also means that if you want anything to happen in that suite, you probably have to try to dig in and learn how to do patches yourself. That said, don't be shy, try it, the team is quite friendly and willing to help you find your orientation! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An odd SM crash
Ed Mullen schrieb: I just woke my displays and the above situation was in effect. I did check the crash reports and there is one, generated when Irefreshed the screen: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-724973d0-3aaa-4ea3-9d62-2f2612130322 That's a crash of the Flash plugin process, not of the SeaMonkey application itself. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: v2.15.2 is out!
Ant schrieb: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/changes And if you have encountered random crashes at Facebook pages, we have a fix for a major issue of that kind in 2.15.2 as well (which was the main reason we created Firefox 18.0.2 and this SeaMonkey update). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Symantec and SeaMonkey....
Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb: My proposal: +1 on all accounts. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Symantec and SeaMonkey....
Michael Gordon schrieb: In addition to listing on your download page, also note the AV/Firewall applications that work well with SM, FireFox, and ThunderBird. (Writing of the latter two, how do they handle this problem? No, please don't. We are not a free advertisement shop. If some provider of such software will donate a significant amount of money towards making SeaMonkey better, maybe it might be an idea to suggest the use of their product, but otherwise, we should keep suggestions for using specific third-party products out of our websites. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Symantec and SeaMonkey....
Frank Wein schrieb: After all our builds should not be that different as the NSS dlls (which do the encryption) use exactly the same code as the Firefox ones. AFAIK, they're using MD5 checksums to identify them, so any bit that comes out different in compilation makes up for something completely different they detect. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:home
David E. Ross schrieb: 3. At the top of the Browser pane in the Display on area, ... You apparently don't know what about:home and about:newtab (the default for browser.newtab.url) are. Both are functionalities that can't be had with SeaMonkey at this time. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:home
Ed Mullen schrieb: Any idea if that will ever make it into SeaMonkey? I find it very useful. I think both those features would not be too hard to port over, and just need someone to do the work. I'm pretty sure we'd be happy if you try to do that! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?
Desiree schrieb: Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why? Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I'm pretty sure it should work well enough in Classic desktop mode, but I don't think it has been tested yet - so please try and report back to us (esp. Jens who maintains the requirements page) how well it does! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released
David E. Ross schrieb: I go to the FTP server so that I can also download the related SHA1 checksum. FYI, if you use the SeaMonkey-internal update mechanism, you get both the advantages of using as-local-as-possible mirrors *and* verification with a checksum that is not just SHA-1 but SHA-512 - and the checksum and other info about the update is coming via an encrypted connection (SSL) that is only allowed to be signed by certain CAs, so that the delivery mechanism is *really* secure. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't update
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Even so, why would v. 2.12.1 elicit such a dire warning? I was referring to the Warning! You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey. quoted in the original post. And the reply to that is Because it has some grave security issues that are fixed in 2.13.* - and updates should work now that 2.13.1 has been released. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SPDY indicator 2.1 why not available for Sea Monkey?
Desiree schrieb: I think the update to 2.12.1 was partly to patch the vulnerability? http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/09/crime-hijacks-https-sessions/ No, this has been fixed before already. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Signup for Mozilla Persona
WLS schrieb: When I disabled JavaScript, and restarted SeaMonkey the button did not appear for me. Very much possible, as Persona requires JavaScript to work. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash 11.x Plug-In Full Screen crashing in FF, SM
Joe Rotello schrieb: A great many Firefox and a fair reported number of SM users are reporting back to Mozilla and Adobe that Flash Plug-In 11.x is crashing the Flash Player Plug-In when going to full screen (aka FS) Flash display. This is a known problem with Flash 11.3 and we (Mozilla) have been in talks with Adobe about this and other Flash 11.3 Protected Mode issues for a few weeks now. It seems like the folks at Adobe only slowly make progress in solving those bugs they introduced in Flash with what was supposed to be a security feature. We're trying to continue to work with them to get those problems resolved, but only they can look into the code and actually work on it, as Flash is a proprietary, closed-source piece of software. The recent incidents are one more sign why we need to continue to improve HTML5 and related technologies so that websites and users in the long run can avoid Flash completely - but that's only a long-term solution. In the short term, we will continue to work with Adobe and try to help and push them to fix the problems users are seeing. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Disable PHP ??? (was : Flash 11.x Plug-In Full Screen, crashing in FF, SM)
Joe Rotello schrieb: We have seen this disable of one, some or all of the mentioned standards, Flash, PHP, JavaScript, even Java, happen, was the point, but I have no wish or predilection for such to be done, as web havoc with a side-order of user fearanoia always ensues. Flash, PHP and Java are not standards. And even JavaScript isn't under that name, as the standard is called ECMAScript. Still, you already handled PHP in there, it's server-side and not anything the client/browser needs to or even can care about. There's cases of server-side Java, for which the same applies. There's also websites running with Python (django, etc.), perl, node.js or any other number of technologies, which all are opaque to the user and nothing you ever need to care about unless you are operating web servers, and in this case you only need to worry about what you are operating there, not what others might run. Flash and Java applets are browser plugins, essentially non-web-technology black boxes inside a web page, and in those black boxes there are binary third-party non-standard applications rendering some content that isn't accessible to the browser or web technologies. This was a good idea for prototyping some functionality that earlier web browsers weren't able to do, but nowadays we (all browser vendors) are catching up fast with actual web technologies (HTML5 and friends) there, making the same kind of features better controllable for users (as browser functionality, prefs and add-ons like GreaseMonkey can access them) as well as easier to integrate in the experience of a website. We are at a point where those proprietary black boxes in websites like Flash and Java are increasingly unnecessary. Unfortunately, they're still around en masse, esp. in the case of Flash. If you think you only need it rarely, or only on specific sites, it may be a good idea to try the experimental click to play feature that Firefox 14, SeaMonkey 2.11 and newer versions have integrated in a slightly hidden way (because it is experimental after all) - see the blog post of the developer when he first landed it for how to activate this feature: http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/opting-in-to-plugins-in-firefox/ Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
NoOp schrieb: SeaMonkey isn't a Product. Right. It isn't and never was. It's a volunteer-only project that is only loosely backed by Mozilla with some infrastructure resources. When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then they spell it with a lowercase 'm'. That lowercase m on the recently created https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/mozilla-based/ page is a bug and should be reported as such (websites product, mozilla.org component), the site maintainers are surely happy to correct that. My we are a select special project group aren't we? Yes, we are. And an independent one at that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Chris Ilias schrieb: The exact URL and number of clicks does not matter in this case. What he said about www.mozilla.org being a portal to all things Mozilla, and SeaMonkey being a small part of Mozilla is what matters. Actually, that changed in the One Mozilla website program, while mozilla.org is still trying to link other initiatives, the team moved back the main product pages of Firefox, Firefox for Android, Thunderbird, and entry pages to other products such as Firefox OS, Persona, etc. into the main mozilla.org site offering, so that it's way heavier in promoting those. Also, with the increase of the Mozilla portfolio to include more products, volunteer-only loosely coupled projects like SeaMonkey have less of a chance to be largely featured. And I'm not even talking yet about which products or projects are more fit to master the challenges of the rapidly changing world of today's web and which are less fit for doing that (hint, for the latter, they might look better there if their contributors would help to make them fit by innovating on top of the established base). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Jay Garcia schrieb: I think I can answer that one - maybe. Seamonkey is a marine creature (brine shrimp) No. The trademark SeaMonkey (as well as the logo) is registered by the Mozilla Foundation in the US, EU and Japan for the SeaMonkey project. The brine shrimp are registered as a trademark under Sea-Monkeys, in plural and with a dash in the name. Still, that guy holding the seamonkey.org domain once had and claims to still want to do a page about those brine shrimp and he's been unwilling to hand over the domain so far. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge
Daniel schrieb: Jens, can I ask Why the -project in www.seamonkey-project.org? Why not just www,seamonkey.org from the get-go?? (which, apparently, is available, ATT!) It wasn't available. And it would be news to me if it was now. Last time I checked, it was still owned by the same guy that wouldn't hand it over to us, even though he hadn't placed a live site under that domain for ages. And apparently that's still true, I just checked again. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Increased crashes/instability on SM 2.11 linux x64?
Jesse Molina schrieb: I am seeing much increased instability in seamonkey 2.11 on Linux, amd64 version. Are you using Google as a start page? The recent sports game doodles have caused crashes, but Google changed them slightly to avoid them. A real fix in Mozilla code is being prepared now, I hope we'll also be able to put it into 2.12 before it ships. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Turn Off HTML5?
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: Perhaps the question was poorly phrased, but the meaning was clear (at least, to me); the enquirer wants to turn off HTML 5 Video in YouTube, and have all YouTube videos delivered in Flash. Seems a reasonably question to me. Well, if you want Flash in YouTube, make sure you have Flash installed and that you're opted out of youtube.com/html5 - if you want inferior technology, so be it. That said, he has apparently found what he actually wanted. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I give up - Good by all
Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] schrieb: Because a few years back Google convert ALL video to the VP8 format. For one thing, they didn't. All new videos should get converted, but not all old ones have been converted yet. That said, SeaMonkey contains WebM (VP8) support by default. It's just that YouTube doesn't even active HTML5 video support by default, you have to go to an obscure HTML5 trial page to even activate it. The actual problems seen are probably created by Flash 11.3, though. This version is crashier than any before, which is completely Adobe's fault, but Mozilla is working with them to try and improve the situation. There's also another problem if you have Real Player Video Downloader installed, which sometimes makes watching videos impossible. The guys at Real are working on fixing that, until then, it's best to disable or uninstall their plugin. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with Netflix.com website
BIll Spikowski schrieb: Are any other SM users having problems with the Netflix site? I have heard that there is a problem with the Silverlight plugin that causes issues with Netflix. This is Micrsoft's fault, and AFAIK they are working on fixing that, but I don't know any details there. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Turn Off HTML5?
NoOp schrieb: Anyone know how to turn *off* HTML5 completely? You can't, other than not using a browser. The web is HTML, and HTML5 is just a buzzword for some usage of HTML and related technologies. If you want to stop HTML video autostart, you can turn off media.autoplay.enabled in about:config - I don't know if there's any way to turn off precaching, but it might actually be disabled together with autoplay, not sure about that. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?
Daniel schrieb: With reference to SeaMonkey, what is Kilimanjaro?? It actually has practically no relation to SeaMonkey, it's more about Firefox (actually all of Firefox OS, Firefox for Android and Firefox for desktop, as well as the services surrounding them). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?
WLS schrieb: Q: When do we plan to reach Kilimanjaro? A: Our proposed target date for this event is September 2012. That's outdated (should be corrected). It's unclear right now when the full Kilimanjaro event will/can be reached. The focus right now is to get the first step on that way, dubbed Basecamp, which is everything needed for the launch of the first devices with Firefox OS somewhere around the turn of the year. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?
WLS schrieb: The general point, I think, is the idea that the web is the platform, and not the desktop. Yes, mostly. I'd say it though as The web is the platform - on the desktop as well as mobile, rather than native applications. After all, the web is on the desktop as well (and web apps run there with our web runtime in a way that they look like native but actually are using web technologies). :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.9
Ken Rudolph schrieb: Is it possible to go back to SM 2.9 since SM 2.10 isn't working for me (multiple problems with Flash e-mail composer)? The Flash problems are not caused by the SeaMonkey update, they will happen in 2.9 as well if you update to the newer Flash version (Adobe is working on fixing those). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released
NoOp schrieb: [1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor is to kill the seamonkey-bin process. That's not the definition of data loss. That would be if persistent data on disk would be gone forever. This doesn't happen here. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released
Peter Nieman schrieb: On 07/06/12 19:42, Hartmut Figge wrote: The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray. And the purpose of that is what? Educating users about what part of this monstrosity called Address is actually important in terms of making sure you are visiting what you think you are visiting. https://www.paypal.com.cgi-bin.webscr.cmd.login-run.evil.com (yes, I have seen such addresses in actual spam mail) and https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run are completely different sites owned by different entities. Many people won't make out the difference unless you display them differently. Making evil.com stand out in one example and paypal.com in the other is something that can help there. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released
James Cloos schrieb: How does one fix that to be legible? Unfortunately that's not possible right now, it's hardcoded deep in Mozilla rendering engine code to have exactly this much of opacity being used for the non-toplevel-domain parts. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680648 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683811 are filed on basically the same issue. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released
NoOp schrieb: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736811 [Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons] Also, when I still ran into something like this, I usually could resolve it either with actually performing some useless dragging operation in SeaMonkey or in the more grave cases with moving to a different window and dragging a file onto a SeaMonkey browser window, at which point the drag cursor would be gone and it would work again. On trunk, those problems are gone for me as well, though. Sometime I see a drag icon getting locked in in the browser now, but moving over the tab bar and clicking in a place where it actually moves the active tab in a drag operation clears it out there. Across SeaMonkey, three generations of Mozilla dragdrop code are at use, I guess somehow they don't like each other - or are conflicting with some Linux dd code, as this seems to only affect Linux. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google: Chrome is the only modern browser
MCBastos schrieb: Did anybody else feel a bit offended by today's Google Doodle, the one featuring the Moog? Look at the line below the Doodle, suggesting that you upgrade to a modern browser. Thing is, the line will appear in every browser except Chrome and its derivatives (it didn't show in Iron, which is basically Chrome-minus-the-spying). The fun thing is that they counted everything as a modern browser that supports the Audio API that Google has invented but that isn't any kind of agreed standard. Mozilla actually implements a quite good audio API as well, but a different one that also isn't a standard at this time. Right now, developers from Google and Mozilla (anyone else is invited it it looks like those two parties are the only interested ones right now) are working together to find a variant that both are happy with and therefore can be put into an actual standard. That some parts of Google apparently didn't know about that and created this Doodle in a way that assumed that Chrome implements an actual standard and that only browsers implementing that API are modern is probably something the developers working on that audio API are also not happy with (at least experience from other incidents lead me to believe that). And yes, I heard that there's a fallback solution in the Doodle going to Flash instead - if you have it installed and enabled. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Look and Feel glitch moving from SM 2.0.8 to SM 2.3.2
MCBastos schrieb: Unfortunately, the groupmark functionality was lost on the transition from XPFE (the old interface kit used on Seamonkey 1.x) to the Firefox toolkit (used since 2.0). Actually, it was between 2.0.x and 2.1 with the switch to the places system for bookmarks, as we only completed the switch to the new interfaces in 2.1 with that and a few others. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.8 late in its release?
Ant schrieb: Uh, it is almost a day later and http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ still shows v2.7.2. :( Not any more. And no, it has been released way less than a day after Firefox 11 - but Firefox 11 went out late in the day yesterday as well. Not sure by what account you said almost a day later as that's definitely wrong. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ok. So when can we expect 2.8.1
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: The subject: header says it all. :) Hopefully never. But chemspills/oilspills always come unexpectedly. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migration switch won't invoke
Dan C schrieb: OS: XP Pro I am attempting to migrate profile from SM 1.1.14 to SM 2.7.2. Using the Run command line: C:\Program Files\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -ProfileManager Dan -migration This will only open the profile manager. The import dialog does not appear. -ProfileManager will always invoke the profile manager and doesn't take an additional parameter. What you want instead is -P which takes a profile as additional paramenter. Try this instead: C:\Program Files\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Dan -migration Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Updating From Website or Withing Program
Chris Ilias schrieb: On 12-02-28 4:32 PM, _TMitchell_ spoke thusly: Is there any difference or advantage between updating SM via the update option within the program itself versus going to the website and downloading the complete new version and installing it over the older one? Off the top of my head: * Unless you're more than one update behind, the auto-update system download is usually a lot smaller. * Auto-update checks for updates for you. * Auto-update handles the update process without you doing any work. * It's quicker to use auto-update. * Manual update allows you to back up your profile beforehand. (But you should be doing automatic backups anyway.) * If for any reason auto-update doesn't work, you can fall back to manually updating by running the uninstaller, removing the SeaMonkey folder in your program files, then re-installing the new version. Also, using in-application update uses quite high security measures internally, so you're pretty well guaranteed to only get the correct and real code from the SeaMonkey project, while manual downloading and installation requires you to ensure yourself if you did get the correct files from the correct and trusted location every time you download a file. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: libpng graphics library vulnerabilities in old SeaMonkey v2.0.14 web browser?
Daniel schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: Jens Hatlak wrote: ... Yes, as always, all currently known vulnerabilities are fixed in the current stable release, Hmmm. That is quite a broad and strong statement ! :) Well, at least all the ones listed in the list I pointed to. :) and, it's quite possible, the vulnerabilities not listed in that list have not been fixed!! If you know any specific one, please let us know. All vulnerability fixes we know of are in 2.7.2, but as always, nobody can know everything. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: libpng graphics library vulnerabilities in old SeaMonkey v2.0.14 web browser?
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: Jens Hatlak wrote: ... Yes, as always, all currently known vulnerabilities are fixed in the current stable release, Hmmm. That is quite a broad and strong statement ! :) Well, at least all the ones listed in the list I pointed to. :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ooo!! Calek dude is gone!!!
Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb: km wrote: ... i am quite annoy. i might even be ANGRY!!! SeaMonkey has been down the last 2 days!!! AND i am blaming you! Take a chill pill, dude. Everyone else's SeaMonkey is working just fine. In fact, you're posting using it. When you recover, post details instead of rant. 1) Don't feed the trolls. 2) Apparently, he's playing out some kind of weird role playing game here in the channel. I wouldn't take those comments as anything than in-game play messages. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.7 release
David H. Durgee schrieb: When will the official release of 2.7 occur? I am seeing it in the repository I usually use, but the SeaMonkey home page still shows 2.6.1 as the current release. It will be released some time later today (US time). If that repo does have it, then it's made by someone who doesn't care about our release politics. Just makes me happy I'm not the release manager any more. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] How does one report bugs at https://developer.mozilla.org/ ?
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: For some days (and perhaps for some weeks, months, forever -- I have no idea) https://developer.mozilla.org/ has been throwing exceptions which appear in the rendered output similar to the following : reference to undefined name 'syntax' Exception of type 'MindTouch.Deki.Script.Runtime.DekiScriptUndefinedNameException' was thrown. (click for details) Have you read the big note at the top of the MDN pages that talks about those? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.6 speed on Mac
Geoff Welsh schrieb: Is the 7/7 OpenGL you have vs. my 3/3 OpenGL my big problem? 7/7 or 3/3 both mean that all windows are in accelerated mode, just in one case 7 windows are open and in the other it's just 3. or my NVIDIA GeForce 9400M OpenGL Engine -- 2.1 NVIDIA-1.6.36? NVidia vs. Intel graphics can of course make a difference, different graphics chips have different capabilities and different speed (and of course different drivers that could be more or less optimized). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.14 Holdout is Converted!
chicagofan schrieb: You went directly from 2.0.14 to 2.6.1? No intermediate stops at 2.1, etc.? :) I don't see why an intermediate stop would be needed. From 1.x, it's good to go via 2.1 as an intermediate, but from all 2.x it should be painless to step to the newest release so far. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing firefox!
Geoff Welsh schrieb: Q to KaiRo: How much of the Mozilla Project's time is spent on the quirks section of Gecko that allows the engine to GUESS wtf the non-compliant quasi-HTML, that is dominating the web, is supposed to tell a browser to display? Nowadays not too much, I think, but it cost us multiple man-years for sure and was one of the reasons why Mozilla 1.0 and Netscape 6/7 were not successful in the masses - they didn't have really good quirks mode yet, while they were quite good in supporting the standards. CSS was in the standard as of 1999 and NOBODY (among web site designers) cared until the iPhone came out. CSS is old than that, even, and I have seen it in heavy use on a number of websites even in 2000. The iPhone didn't change anything there, but the demise of Netscape 4.x (which had really really bad CSS support) and IE6 (which had quite mediocre CSS support) and adoption of browsers that could well deal with CSS (driven by Firefox adoption to a large degree) was the turning point. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.6 speed on Mac
Geoff Welsh schrieb: You don't need to be connected to anything to test a browsers ability to render code, so that's what it supposedly tests, or in this specific case animation. If you guys both got 60 and I got 2, then it must somehow be a x86 vs Mac thing Actually, to a large degree it's a graphics driver and operating system thing. A number of graphics drivers have problems with the way we are using the 3D functionality and acceleration support - up to crashes - and we need to disable those things there, and some operating systems and OS versions either don't support everything we need in that area or don't have well-enough-tested support on our side finished yet. As most of Mozilla software users are on Windows and newer software/hardware generally has more capabilities in those areas, recent versions of Windows with recent graphics cards and drivers have a higher chance of good acceleration support than older drivers/cards or other OSes - on Mac it works in some cases, on Linux we don't have acceleration turned on anywhere yet. You can try to go to the bottom of the Help/Troubleshooting (about:support) page and tell us what the Graphics section there says, it should have some relevant information. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Best Way to Transfer Bookmarks?
Tom Pamin schrieb: Using 2.6.1, what is the best way to transfer bookmarks between PC's? Should I export the html file, or just copy the places.sqlite file and move it to other PC's? Both should work, but in my eyes the best way to transfer bookmarks, history, and password data, even a number of preference settings, is to activate SeaMonkey Sync (should be available from both the Tools menu and from preferences) on both installations. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which of these security flaws are present in SM 2.6.1
David E. Ross schrieb: That page should distinguish between SM 2.6 and SM 2.6.1. Otherwise, some users will mistakenly think that security flaws actually fixed between the two were instead already fixed in 2.6. 2.6 and 2.6.1 are the same security-wise, no need to distinguish anything. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing firefox!
Dustbin schrieb: It should not be necessary to spoof firefox. You're right that it should not, but in many cases it unfortunately is. You can turn it off in preferences, though - but be prepared to encounter broken websites then. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User-Agent - SeaMonkey or Trident?
W3BNR schrieb: Just noticed that SM 2.6 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111217 Firefox/9.0 SeaMonkey/2.6) has a mail identifier of: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/5.0) Are you using some kind of UA switching add-on? This is the IE9 UA, and we never use that ourselves, but of course some add-on can set it via an override pref. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Frequent SM2.5 crashes
Alex schrieb: Since I updated to SM 2.6 I had one crash. Here are the links to crash reports: This is the nsURIHashKey::HashKey(nsIURI const*) signature, with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548685 filed for it. If you find a well-reproducible case that others can follow as well to see the crash, that would be helpful. The developers need to see how this happens to find a way to fix it. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Frequent SM2.5 crashes
Alex schrieb: Since upgraded to SM2.5 it crashes frequently and sends reports. It never did before. Below is a copy of the latest one. What could cause it? This doesn't contain the really important parts of the report, could you go to about:crashes, find the one with the right timestamp when this happened, and give us the link/ID of that one? Thanks, Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to remove Bookmarks button from the toolbar using userChrome.css on Seamonkey 2.5
Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] schrieb: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:57:28 -0800, Sailfish removecapssailf...@removecapsunforgettable.com wrote: My bloviated meandering follows what Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] graced us with on 11/30/2011 11:36 AM: Sailfish, you still hanging around? You helped me do this a while back in Firefox. Well, I tried using the same userChrome.css file I use for my Firefox 8 install but it doesn't hide the Bookmarks button on the toolbar for Seamonkey 2.5. Here's how userChrome looks currently: [snip /] I thought since Seamonkey 2.5 and Firefox 8 were the same that it would work but apparently now. Any clue on how to accomplish the same with Seamonkey 2.5? Adding #bookmarks-button to it ought to work. Good luck. Incidentally, is there also a similar one for the Most Visited button? Why does nobody try to just remove those entries by deleting them (Most Visited) or using toolbar customization to move them away (bookmarks button)? I guess you guys just want geeky solutions instead of easy ones... Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6
Rick Merrill schrieb: I have forgotten how to make SeaMonkey pretend to be Mozilla Firefox ? 3.6. [ about? useragent? ] Your message says: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5 That already contains the stuff to make it pretend to be a Firefox 8.0.1 version. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Add-ons Manager : Check to see if your plugins are up to date
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: What should happen when I click on this apparent link ? Seamonkey 2.4.1; Windows XP Professional/SP3. AFAIK, it should call up Mozilla's plugin check website and there some JS runs and analyzes your plugins, telling it newer versions are available, and if so, giving you links to install those. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Dustbin schrieb: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? Usually HTTP (or HTTPS depending on the URL of the page and the target attribute of the HTML form) - depending on specifications in the HTML, either a GET or POST request is used (the recommendation is to use GET when performing searches etc. that are repeatable and the resulting link can be bookmarked or handed to others, while using POST in other cases). Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Dustbin schrieb: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? Usually HTTP (or HTTPS depending on the URL of the page and the target attribute of the HTML form) - depending on specifications in the HTML, either a GET or POST request is used (the recommendation is to use GET when performing searches etc. that are repeatable and the resulting link can be bookmarked or handed to others, while using POST in other cases). I cannot see how you arrive at that analysis, Robert. Dustbin clearly schrieb e.g., the mailto: protocol, which cannot (as far as I can see) ever result in the use of either HTTP or HTTPS. SMTP, yes; HTTP(S), no. I was talking about those without a mailto: there. For mailto: it doesn't send at all but just open an email window, and that determines how it is sent in the end - usually ends up with SMTP or IMAP, whatever the respective email client and account has set. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Philip TAYLOR schrieb: Now my thinking is that his analysis is wrong, and a mailto: link will almost certainly lead to an SMTP exchange, and almost certainly never lead to one involving HTTP or FTP. Would you agree ? As I said, mailto: doesn't send anything over the net by itself at all, it just sends the data to an email client/window, and whatever that uses does the send then. This can be any protocol used for sending emails, depending on what the user has set up. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Crashes When Printing
Chris Ilias schrieb: I don't remember if the plugin crash protection feature was implemented before or after SM 2.0.14 After. You need 2.1 or higher to have plugin crash protection. And we have been fixing a lot of crashes in recent times, so anyone seeing crashes should get to at least the current release (2.4.1 at this moment) as soon as possible. I also would advise to update Flash to 11.0. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Crashes When Printing
Sandy Pamin schrieb: Seamonkey 2.0.14 has been crashing a lot lately when trying to print. Please try 2.4.1, it's easily possible that this has been fixed there. We are steadily working on fixing crashes in all Mozilla products. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b3
Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb: Short answer, Robert Kaiser created the linux64 updates manually ahead of time for me. I didn't. No update snippets for linux64 2.5 betas (2.4 and lower betas have snippets to go to 2.4.1 at least, though). Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b3
Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb: Guess something is strange, or one of us was wrong. :-) Agreed. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Resource consumption comaprison
jim schrieb: 1. Seamonkey (2.2) 2. Firefox (7.2) 3. IE8 4. Google Chrome (latest version, 10/11) 5. (Other you find pertinent to mention?) None of those are the latest versions, so comparing those versions isn't that useful - but at least IE8 is right in that it's the latest for XP. SeaMonkey 2.4.1 is current, as are Firefox 7.0.1 (7.2 does and will not exist) and Chrome is already at 14, IIRC. From all I heard, Chrome 14 probably uses the most resources of those, while IE8 and Firefox 7 probably use fewest, with the downside that IE8 lacks a lot of the modern Internet features all of the others have (and IE9 also partially has). Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IN SHORT: SeaMonkey 2.4.1 released
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: And we are quietly back to third level (x.y.z) bug fix releases of SM. :-) Not quietly. Those are planned but hopefully avoidable in the rapid release cycle. Any fixup needed between the regular 6-week releases gets a third level number, like SeaMonkey 2.4.1 and Firefox 7.0.1 have. Keep them coming! Please not. They only mean we need to fix up something more often than every 6 weeks, and that's bad. I'd rather have larger user communities testing in the 12 weeks of stabilization that Aurora and Beta represent. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....
jim schrieb: xp sp2 Seamonkey 2.2 When manually checking for updates, i get: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network provider and seek help. Does anyone know what that is all about? Yes. SeaMonkey 2.1-2.3 can't receive updates from our servers any more because they accepted only a single certificate issuer for those updates, and our old certificate expired but the issuer doesn't hand out certificates any more, having been bought by a different one. SeaMonkey 2.3.1 and higher accept the new one and an additional fallback now, 2.0.x didn't have the restriction in the first place. In conclusion: You need to manually download a new version and install it this time, then you will get correct updates again in the future. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack
Ray_Net schrieb: How to kill Java on my machine (win7) and/or when using IE(or SM) On SM it should be as easy as going into the Add-ons Manager, select Plugins, and deactivate it from there. No idea about Windows/IE as I keep my hands off proprietary software as much as I can. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack
NoOp schrieb:
I'm not sure I fully understand (or probably ever will)...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814
{(CVE-2011-3389) Rizzo/Duong chosen plaintext attack on SSL/TLS 1.0
(facilitated by websockets -76)]
doesn't seem to indicate java, but instead nss as being the issue. So,
to be clear: is it a java or nss issue?
Java uses its own TLS stack, which is vulnerable as described in the bug
on plugins (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814#c90
mentions that this has been split off into
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688008), and Java allows
sockets to any site, which can trigger the attack, and Oracle has not
yet made any comments that they even intend to work on the problem.
The NSS stack is vulnerable in theory, but under our control, so we can
fix it, and will do so. To trigger the attack, HTTPS connection need to
be made in a certain way, though, and we have no code in Firefox or
SeaMonkey right now that does that. Websockets protocol -76 was a way to
trigger that, but we have not been implementing this protocol version
since Firefox 5 and SeaMonkey 2.2, we are now implementing a newer
protocol version of Websockets which cannot trigger that attack.
So, NSS is basically vulnerable, but we don't have any code that opens
network connections in a way that would actually allow the attack. We
still will fix NSS in future versions so that any change in how we're
doing connections will also not expose us to the attack. (Note that
Chrome is using NSS as well, and they're in the same situation as us
here and will ship probably exactly the same fix in the future.)
We can't fix Java, and Java applets are exploitable as things stand, so
our only possibility is to reduce/block usage of the vulnerable
versions, which are all we know about right now, and Oracle has not made
any commitment to fixing the problem in future versions.
I hope that explains the problem enough.
Robert Kaiser
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Re: Windows 8 Metro
David Wilkinson schrieb: Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? I don't know if the app-store will be the only way to install Metro apps, but doesn't the open Android have an App store also? Who made you think that Android would be anything similar to open? And yes, there are APKs and alternative app stores for Android, just as Windows 8 will be able to run classic Windows applications as well, both of which doesn't make them open anyhow. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: HACKERS BREAK SSL ENCRYPTION USED BY MILLIONS OF SITES That doesn't sounds correct. Firefox itself is not affected at all when WebSockets are turned off. And WebSockets are not used by millions of sites. It looks like the Java plugins is affected though and we are discussing blocking all versions of Java on all versions of Firefox. The same should be true 1:1 for SeaMonkey. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.4 Release -- New Features and Fixes
MCBastos schrieb: Interviewed by CNN on 28/09/2011 20:01, David E. Ross told the world: I just was curious. The installed seamonkey.exe has product version 2.4 but file version 7.0.0.4283. The UA string indicates 2.4. The buildID is 20110923012712, which is obviously the date and time of the build. I guess that file version refers to the Gecko engine. More to the Mozilla platform, but the versions of Gecko and the platform are the same anyhow. ;-) Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
