from:"cmcadams"


David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2018 11:23 AM, EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Trying a user.js didn't work.

prefs.js didn't wish to be changed...tried both Windows 7 Notepad and
DOS Edit, but evidently didn't know the right save options, because
after running SM the new entry disappeared. Rejected by SM, I suppose.


If an entry into user.js is not recognized by SeaMonkey as being valid,
it will not appear in about:config.  This includes errors in syntax in
the setting, and also settings that are simply not recognized.  The
format for entries in user.js is the same as that for prefs.js.



To check whether SeaMonkey loaded all of user.js into prefs.js
successfully, insert
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "user.js load failed");
as the very first line of user.js and
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "yes");
as the very last line of user.js, all with SeaMonkey not running.  Note
that the semicolon (;) is required.

Then, launch SeaMonkey and enter about:config in the address area (URI
bar).  You should see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  yes
if the entire user.js file was okay.  If there was a problem, you will
instead see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  user.js load failed

This also works with Thunderbird and should work (but I have not tested
it) with Firefox.


This works, I am duly amazed.

With both Notepad and (after toggling value to null) in Wordpad, no problems.

Thank you very much.

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Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!


David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2018 6:49 PM, cmcadams wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2018 11:23 AM, EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Trying a user.js didn't work.

prefs.js didn't wish to be changed...tried both Windows 7 Notepad and
DOS Edit, but evidently didn't know the right save options, because
after running SM the new entry disappeared. Rejected by SM, I suppose.


If an entry into user.js is not recognized by SeaMonkey as being valid,
it will not appear in about:config.  This includes errors in syntax in
the setting, and also settings that are simply not recognized.  The
format for entries in user.js is the same as that for prefs.js.



To check whether SeaMonkey loaded all of user.js into prefs.js
successfully, insert
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "user.js load failed");
as the very first line of user.js and
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "yes");
as the very last line of user.js, all with SeaMonkey not running.  Note
that the semicolon (;) is required.

Then, launch SeaMonkey and enter about:config in the address area (URI
bar).  You should see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  yes
if the entire user.js file was okay.  If there was a problem, you will
instead see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  user.js load failed

This also works with Thunderbird and should work (but I have not tested
it) with Firefox.



Thank you, I've saved this.

Does anyone know for certain which Windows programs will work to edit and save 
SM
config files? And with what settings? Are they ASCII? ANSI? I figured that's 
where I
went wrong, trying to edit prefs.js.



The prefs.js file is plain ASCII text.  Unlike Daniel, I prefer always
using Wordpad.  I even set Wordpad as the default appplication for when
I select "Edit" on the context menu for all .js files.


So at least there's no need to worry about that. I can just right-click "Open with" 
and use Notepad or Wordpad depending on size.


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Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!


Daniel wrote:

cmcadams wrote on 01/04/18 11:49:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2018 11:23 AM, EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Trying a user.js didn't work.

prefs.js didn't wish to be changed...tried both Windows 7 Notepad and
DOS Edit, but evidently didn't know the right save options, because
after running SM the new entry disappeared. Rejected by SM, I suppose.


If an entry into user.js is not recognized by SeaMonkey as being valid,
it will not appear in about:config.  This includes errors in syntax in
the setting, and also settings that are simply not recognized.  The
format for entries in user.js is the same as that for prefs.js.



To check whether SeaMonkey loaded all of user.js into prefs.js
successfully, insert
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "user.js load failed");
as the very first line of user.js and
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "yes");
as the very last line of user.js, all with SeaMonkey not running.  Note
that the semicolon (;) is required.

Then, launch SeaMonkey and enter about:config in the address area (URI
bar).  You should see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  yes
if the entire user.js file was okay.  If there was a problem, you will
instead see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  user.js load failed

This also works with Thunderbird and should work (but I have not tested
it) with Firefox.


Thank you, I've saved this.

Does anyone know for certain which Windows programs will work to edit and save SM 
config files? And with what settings? Are they ASCII? ANSI? I figured that's where 
I went wrong, trying to edit prefs.js.


In the past, I'm sure I have used Notepad.exe to edit prefs.js ... and, if I had 
double clicked on a prefs.js that was too big for Notepad.exe to handle, Win7 had 
started Wordpad.exe instead!


Neat. It didn't occur to me to try Wordpad. Says how often I've used it. :/

I loaded prefs.js into Wordpad and thought "Omigosh, lookit all the formatting!" Not 
a problem, there's a save option for that. FC-ing the original with the saved copy 
says identical.


Same same for creating user.js ... which had to be located in the same 
directory/folder as prefs.js to be included into prefs.js.


Ha, I must have found the only reference that DIDN'T say to put it in the profile 
directory. That was that problem then.


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Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!


David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2018 11:23 AM, EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Trying a user.js didn't work.

prefs.js didn't wish to be changed...tried both Windows 7 Notepad and
DOS Edit, but evidently didn't know the right save options, because
after running SM the new entry disappeared. Rejected by SM, I suppose.


If an entry into user.js is not recognized by SeaMonkey as being valid,
it will not appear in about:config.  This includes errors in syntax in
the setting, and also settings that are simply not recognized.  The
format for entries in user.js is the same as that for prefs.js.



To check whether SeaMonkey loaded all of user.js into prefs.js
successfully, insert
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "user.js load failed");
as the very first line of user.js and
user_pref("00_user.js.loaded", "yes");
as the very last line of user.js, all with SeaMonkey not running.  Note
that the semicolon (;) is required.

Then, launch SeaMonkey and enter about:config in the address area (URI
bar).  You should see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  yes
if the entire user.js file was okay.  If there was a problem, you will
instead see
00_user.js.loaded   user set  string  user.js load failed

This also works with Thunderbird and should work (but I have not tested
it) with Firefox.



Thank you, I've saved this.

Does anyone know for certain which Windows programs will work to edit and save SM 
config files? And with what settings? Are they ASCII? ANSI? I figured that's where I 
went wrong, trying to edit prefs.js.

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Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!


EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Trying a user.js didn't work.

prefs.js didn't wish to be changed...tried both Windows 7 Notepad and DOS Edit, but 
evidently didn't know the right save options, because after running SM the new 
entry disappeared. Rejected by SM, I suppose.


If an entry into user.js is not recognized by SeaMonkey as being valid, it will not 
appear in about:config.  This includes errors in syntax in the setting, and also 
settings that are simply not recognized.  The format for entries in user.js is the 
same as that for prefs.js.




I just did a copy and paste. I suspect a wrong format for my user.js.

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Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!


WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/30/18 10:25 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/30/2018 at 10:45 AM, Marisa Ciceran created this epitome of digital genius:
As of about a week ago, when I log into my Chase accounts account using SM 2.49.2 
on my Windows 7 desktop and laptops, it goes to the following page:


https://m.chase.com/secure.html?newstoken=false=https%3A%2F%2Fm.chase.com%2Findex.html=success
<

Re: SM is not accepted by Chase.com - again!

2018-03-30 Thread cmcadams


Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/30/2018 at 10:45 AM, Marisa Ciceran created this epitome of digital genius:
As of about a week ago, when I log into my Chase accounts account using SM 2.49.2 
on my Windows 7 desktop and laptops, it goes to the following page:


https://m.chase.com/secure.html?newstoken=false=https%3A%2F%2Fm.chase.com%2Findex.html=success

Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to
smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried before with the same
results.
BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up
after you click Send is a
true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig

A couple of years ago I was told to switch my SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com to
outbound.att.net.
Don't know why you are still using smtp.att.yahoo.com Just my 2 cents. However,
it may not have
anything to do with your problem

Because no one ever told me that. And I don't know either.

Also POP3 is incoming.att.net It was covered here:

https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Email-Security/Update-Email-Server-Settings-for-AT-amp-T-Email/td-p/4312314

Interesting. Nope, nobody notified me, and all the old settings are still working.
Frank-Rainer Grahl's suggestion worked today with the smpte server. It was a SM
configuration problem.

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if
you run this too try there also.

FRG

The problem occurs in both current TB and SM. But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP
server. The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company (Bluehost)
server.

This is bad. The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to
even acknowledge
there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients. They want to be able to inundate
us with ads in
webmail.

Lem Johnson

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams


jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-6, Jamie Lansford wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:

Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
problem of
switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
smtp.att.yahoo.com.

2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any 
more
than switching default search engines.

As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem 
sending
through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending through
Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.

So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still 
using
att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company
(Bluehost) server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even
acknowledge there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us
with ads in webmail.

Lem Johnson




I just tried to reinstall 2.48, but the problem persisted for me.


I am still on 2.48, and had to add gmail outgoing smtp info and delete the 
outbound.att.net.  Google sent me messages that (1) someone tried to access and 
I got an error message and to allow access to less secure apps and then when I 
allowed it (2) got another message that access for less secure apps has been 
turned on and telling me it will be easier to break into my account and I could 
undo the change and switch to apps made by google such as Gmail.  I am going to 
try to go back to 2.49.2 and see if they get over the insecurity issue, but 
regardless, it got rid of the random punctuation!!  Thanks to everyone and 
let's hope that 2.49.3 resolves the issue.



If you get a gmail warning for something you've just done intentionally, it's 
generally okay to just say yes and let it pass.


Frank-Rainer Grahl's suggestion to go to about:config and toggle mail.strictly_mime 
to true in 2.49.2 does seem to work with the spurious characters and I can also 
switch between smtpe servers and have it stick. I'm also reading in this thread that 
yahoo may have just changed its settings. So I don't actually know... :P

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams

Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the problem of 
switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting smtp.att.yahoo.com.


2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any more 
than switching default search engines.


As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem sending 
through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending through 
Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.


So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still 
using
att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company
(Bluehost) server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even
acknowledge there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us
with ads in webmail.

Lem Johnson




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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread cmcadams

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from 
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried 
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if 
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still using 
att.yahoo.com.


Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the 
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company 
(Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to even 
acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate us 
with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread cmcadams

Yes to both, so we shall see. No obvious category for the email component, so 
categorized under General.


Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG


cmcadams wrote:

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:
I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent. Lately, 
SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, sometimes where I 
had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, but this is what 
appeared in the copy I sent to myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost of PHV, 
I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose effective as of 
January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending rather than having issues 
at deposition or later for not having gotten admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.


Thank you.



Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC website 
in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes '"' and hyphens 
"-" were also being converted to multiple question marks in both the Yahoo and 
Gmail web browsers.


I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but it 
wasn't. The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.


My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 'lookalike' 
characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from non-English 
character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.


For inquiring minds:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think




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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-20 Thread cmcadams


jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  Lately, 
SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, sometimes where 
I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, but this is what 
appeared in the copy I sent to myself:

No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost of 
PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose effective 
as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending rather than having 
issues at deposition or later for not having gotten admitted.

Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.

Thank you.



Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC website 
in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes '"' and hyphens "-" 
were also being converted to multiple question marks in both the Yahoo and Gmail web 
browsers.


I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but it wasn't. 
The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.


My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 'lookalike' 
characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from non-English 
character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.


For inquiring minds:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think


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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

2018-02-17 Thread cmcadams


Mr. Ed wrote:

On 02/07/18 10:08 PM, cmcadams wrote:

alex zuber wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company
wrote:

Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.


Relly



Still working without complaints here on 2.49.1. One difference might be that
I'm using it through AT That is, Yahoo is (or was) AT default email
provider.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
SeaMonkey/2.49.1


Was working for me also in 2.49.1 but not working in 2.49.2.  What changed?



I've just updated to 2.49.2 and still no problem logging into "Classic" Yahoo 
web mail.

Maybe it's because I've never switched to the new interface (ie, you can't go 
back)?

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Re: Yahoo email no longer works with seamonkey.

2018-02-07 Thread cmcadams


alex zuber wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-4, Black Fig Pizza Company 
wrote:

Yahoo is asking for upgrade to a different browser.


Relly



Still working without complaints here on 2.49.1. One difference might be that I'm 
using it through AT That is, Yahoo is (or was) AT default email provider.


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1
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Re: Webcam Not Working

2018-01-18 Thread cmcadams


Tom Pamin wrote:

This nature webcam just shows a blank page with SM and IE. Can anyone see it?
https://dingdarlingsociety.org/webcam


The page says it's available only during daylight hours. It's also got a countdown 
timer that shuts you out, won't reload. This is with SM 1.49.1. The countdown also 
displays in IE.


I don't think they actually want viewers.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.1 (Windows) freezes

2017-12-03 Thread cmcadams

Adding to what NoOp wrote, a little while after my last post I was browsing 
walmart.com and SM 1.49.1 Win began behaving as he described. Unresponsive, twirlies 
and intermittent white-outs, all without outright crashing. CPU was high, memory was 
at 1.1-1.2GB.


So, walmart might be a place to go for some trouble.

Craig


NoOp wrote:

On 12/3/2017 11:57 AM, cmcadams wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

2.49.1 and now the development build .2 was/is the most stable release I ever 
used so
YMMV.

All depends on your browsing habits, if you keep countless tabs open, how often 
you
close the browser and a thousand other variables. It might also be some shitty 
java
script only activated when the website sees a never Firefox version or even bad
browser sniffing.


No countless tabs, often just one. I don't run the browser continuously.


I suggest using a script and adblocker if you don't already do so. If it still
freezes it should always do it on the same pages then.


uBlock Origin. Noscript became impossible, making things work that I needed to 
have
work on a specific site became a time-wasting game.


And if you did go back from 2.51 your profile might have corruption too. Check 
for
indexDB or storage errors on startup. If you see some you need to clean it 
first.


I haven't been playing pioneer, lately, and no explicit startup errors.


Just back up your profile and try it. It might not work for you or it might be
better. You won't know until you try it out.


OP asked if 2.49.1 ever froze. It has, but not often enough to make it 
unusable. It
can go for prolonged periods without crashing at all. It has crashed under
stress...for example, SM 2.49.1 popped like a soap bubble when I tried sending a
particularly enormous email loaded with animated GIFs. Weirdly, that happened 
both
when I attached the files AND when I then tried sending by reference. (In the 
latter
case the email DID at least go through.) But it has also crashed when absolutely
nothing out of the ordinary is going on, when it will go into its "white out"
routine, as described, and I have to kill and restart. No rhyme or reason I've 
been
able to spot. Just a guess: script! I will remember your backup and indexDB 
advice.

Craig


Ditto.

Unfortunately it typically doesn't crash, it just freezes so no new
crash reports are generated.

My last crash on 2.49.1 was on 11/15 & that was caused by
hang | NtUserMsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx | user32.dll@0x5d3ed
That seems to have been caused by a plugin:
plugin (web) Foxit PhantomPDF Plugin for Mozilla Version: 2.2.7.818
Filename: npFoxitPhantomPDFPlugin.dll
Which was removed following the crash. SM 2.49.1 Windows has frozen at
least 4 times since. When I look at the Windows task manager it just
shows 'Not Responding'.

I'll see if I can get some repeat site/page to troubleshoot... in the
interim it's Thunderbird & Other Browser time (on Windows - linux is
just fine) until I can figure out the issue. Thanks for all the responses.






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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.1 (Windows) freezes

2017-12-03 Thread cmcadams


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
2.49.1 and now the development build .2 was/is the most stable release I ever used so 
YMMV.


All depends on your browsing habits, if you keep countless tabs open, how often you 
close the browser and a thousand other variables. It might also be some shitty java 
script only activated when the website sees a never Firefox version or even bad 
browser sniffing.


No countless tabs, often just one. I don't run the browser continuously.

I suggest using a script and adblocker if you don't already do so. If it still 
freezes it should always do it on the same pages then.


uBlock Origin. Noscript became impossible, making things work that I needed to have 
work on a specific site became a time-wasting game.


And if you did go back from 2.51 your profile might have corruption too. Check for 
indexDB or storage errors on startup. If you see some you need to clean it first.


I haven't been playing pioneer, lately, and no explicit startup errors.

Just back up your profile and try it. It might not work for you or it might be 
better. You won't know until you try it out.


OP asked if 2.49.1 ever froze. It has, but not often enough to make it unusable. It 
can go for prolonged periods without crashing at all. It has crashed under 
stress...for example, SM 2.49.1 popped like a soap bubble when I tried sending a 
particularly enormous email loaded with animated GIFs. Weirdly, that happened both 
when I attached the files AND when I then tried sending by reference. (In the latter 
case the email DID at least go through.) But it has also crashed when absolutely 
nothing out of the ordinary is going on, when it will go into its "white out" 
routine, as described, and I have to kill and restart. No rhyme or reason I've been 
able to spot. Just a guess: script! I will remember your backup and indexDB advice.


Craig




cmcadams wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

cmcadams wrote on 03-12-17 05:32:

NoOp wrote:

So, it's better to stay with SM 2.46 waiting for the next stable release > 
2.49.1 ?


Sadly, I'll have to say yes. 2.49.1 is better than 2.48, but 2.46 was more stable 
than either of those. How much risk you'd be running, continuing to use an older 
version, I can't tell you.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.1 (Windows) freezes

2017-12-03 Thread cmcadams


Ray_Net wrote:

cmcadams wrote on 03-12-17 05:32:

NoOp wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171016030418

I switched from Adrian's 2.51 to the released 2.49.1 and on multiple
occasions I've had 2.49.1 freeze on me on Windows (Win 10 - 16GB memory,
same profile that I've been using for years & no, I've not tried with a
new profile yet). It typically happens just when I need it most...
online order checkout, preparing to send important email etc. Note: I've
not experienced the same on the linux version of 2.49.1

Have anyone else had SM 2.49.1 (Windows) freeze on them?




Yes, although I can't come up with anything specific in the way of configuration or 
actions to blame for it. Activity grinds to a halt, the twirly twirls, and 
memory/cpu activity shoots up and stays there. The window "whites out". Not blank, 
just a change in saturation, let's say, to let you know you're screwed. And after 
you force-kill SM it can take some time for it to take the hint.



So, it's better to stay with SM 2.46 waiting for the next stable release > 
2.49.1 ?


Sadly, I'll have to say yes. 2.49.1 is better than 2.48, but 2.46 was more stable 
than either of those. How much risk you'd be running, continuing to use an older 
version, I can't tell you.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.1 (Windows) freezes

2017-12-02 Thread cmcadams


NoOp wrote:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171016030418

I switched from Adrian's 2.51 to the released 2.49.1 and on multiple
occasions I've had 2.49.1 freeze on me on Windows (Win 10 - 16GB memory,
same profile that I've been using for years & no, I've not tried with a
new profile yet). It typically happens just when I need it most...
online order checkout, preparing to send important email etc. Note: I've
not experienced the same on the linux version of 2.49.1

Have anyone else had SM 2.49.1 (Windows) freeze on them?




Yes, although I can't come up with anything specific in the way of configuration or 
actions to blame for it. Activity grinds to a halt, the twirly twirls, and memory/cpu 
activity shoots up and stays there. The window "whites out". Not blank, just a change 
in saturation, let's say, to let you know you're screwed. And after you force-kill SM 
it can take some time for it to take the hint.

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Re: 2.49.1 no longer auto completes user name or password

2017-11-15 Thread cmcadams


A Williams wrote:

To the best of my knowledge things are not that simple.
Firefox has cast Thunderbird out into the wilderness, presumably before making those 
changes you are so keen on.  If - this is a guess - those changes would have broken 
Thunderbird, Firefox no longer cares.


I fail to see where I was "keen on" any changes. I was confirming and commenting on a 
broken function in the latest SM.



Seamonkey does care - for obvious reasons.


My comment was not aimed at Seamonkey. Seamonkey Project appears to be more sinned 
against than sinner in this.


Craig





cmcadams wrote:

Thank you. So basically the mothership doesn't care much about us, and
isn't communicating changes well or perhaps at all.

Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

autocomplete was refactored in Gecko 51 (2.48) and then again in 52
(2.49). Including changing some defaults when it comes to non-secure
sites. Was not fun to play catchup. There might still linger other
problems.

FRG

cmcadams wrote:

Bingo, that fixed my modem screens login problem. But...SM was
happily enough filling most forms even with signon.autofillForms.http
set to false. And there were never problems with 1.48 with the
(presumed) same about:config settings. I'll confess I don't get it.

Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Not sure if this already applies to 2.49.1.

Set signon.autofillForms.http to true and see what goes.

But I think FB should be https or?

FRG


David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/13/2017 4:32 PM, Hawker wrote:

As the subject says, I just installed 2.49.1. In Facebook it still
auto
completes the user name but not password. After entering it still
does
not do it the next time.
On some other sites it neither auto enters the user name or password.
How can I put it back like it was?



Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
    SeaMonkey/2.49.1

I have not seen this problem with saved logins.  There are some sites,
however, that construct their login forms in a manner that defeats the
saving of passwords and even defeats the use of existing saved
passwords.  That is a problem with the site and not with SeaMonkey.









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Re: 2.49.1 no longer auto completes user name or password

2017-11-14 Thread cmcadams

Thank you. So basically the mothership doesn't care much about us, and isn't 
communicating changes well or perhaps at all.


Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
autocomplete was refactored in Gecko 51 (2.48) and then again in 52 (2.49). Including 
changing some defaults when it comes to non-secure sites. Was not fun to play 
catchup. There might still linger other problems.


FRG

cmcadams wrote:
Bingo, that fixed my modem screens login problem. But...SM was happily enough 
filling most forms even with signon.autofillForms.http set to false. And there were 
never problems with 1.48 with the (presumed) same about:config settings. I'll 
confess I don't get it.


Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Not sure if this already applies to 2.49.1.

Set signon.autofillForms.http to true and see what goes.

But I think FB should be https or?

FRG


David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/13/2017 4:32 PM, Hawker wrote:

As the subject says, I just installed 2.49.1. In Facebook it still auto
completes the user name but not password. After entering it still does
not do it the next time.
On some other sites it neither auto enters the user name or password.
How can I put it back like it was?



Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1

I have not seen this problem with saved logins.  There are some sites,
however, that construct their login forms in a manner that defeats the
saving of passwords and even defeats the use of existing saved
passwords.  That is a problem with the site and not with SeaMonkey.





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Re: 2.49.1 no longer auto completes user name or password

2017-11-14 Thread cmcadams

Bingo, that fixed my modem screens login problem. But...SM was happily enough filling 
most forms even with signon.autofillForms.http set to false. And there were never 
problems with 1.48 with the (presumed) same about:config settings. I'll confess I 
don't get it.


Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Not sure if this already applies to 2.49.1.

Set signon.autofillForms.http to true and see what goes.

But I think FB should be https or?

FRG


David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/13/2017 4:32 PM, Hawker wrote:

As the subject says, I just installed 2.49.1. In Facebook it still auto
completes the user name but not password. After entering it still does
not do it the next time.
On some other sites it neither auto enters the user name or password.
How can I put it back like it was?



Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1

I have not seen this problem with saved logins.  There are some sites,
however, that construct their login forms in a manner that defeats the
saving of passwords and even defeats the use of existing saved
passwords.  That is a problem with the site and not with SeaMonkey.



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Re: 2.49.1 no longer auto completes user name or password

2017-11-13 Thread cmcadams


Hawker wrote:
As the subject says, I just installed 2.49.1. In Facebook it still auto completes the 
user name but not password. After entering it still does not do it the next time.

On some other sites it neither auto enters the user name or password.
How can I put it back like it was?


Confirm. Not FB with me, but in my modem's settings pages. The bug only manifests in 
particular circumstances.


Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1
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Re: moderation

2017-08-28 Thread cmcadams


null wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi all,

Was reading mozilla.support.seamonkey and thought to myself,
"geez.. there's certainly a lot of spam..  where's the moderation.."

That's when my internal voice trailed off and said... 'oh'.

So this is a heads-up.  If you see an influx of old messages  you
can blame it on me.  (or the rain, if you wish. :) )

To those affected by this, my humblest apologies.

Edmund



I'll blame the rain, Edmund. :)

Craig

Perhaps we should all just learn Italian . . . .


If it wasn't for bitter Italians (or one amazingly prolific bitter Italian) a lot of 
newsgroups nowadays would be entirely bereft...


Craig
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Re: moderation

2017-08-28 Thread cmcadams


Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi all,

Was reading mozilla.support.seamonkey and thought to myself,
"geez.. there's certainly a lot of spam..  where's the moderation.."

That's when my internal voice trailed off and said... 'oh'.

So this is a heads-up.  If you see an influx of old messages  you
can blame it on me.  (or the rain, if you wish. :) )

To those affected by this, my humblest apologies.

Edmund



I'll blame the rain, Edmund. :)

Craig
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Re: Site Blocked?

2017-06-08 Thread cmcadams


Tom Pamin wrote:

Why does Seamonkey block this site, and IE doesn't?
https://www.hayneedle.com/


I'm seeing it.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
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Re: Advertisement Deluge Follow-up w/uBlock Origin

2017-01-10 Thread cmcadams


Henrik37 wrote:

On my 64 bit Optiplex 780, Win7-Pro, SM 2.40, I loaded uBlock Origin as an 'add 
on'.

One of the things I don't understand is that I am required to enable uBlock 
Origin
every time I open SeaMonkey.  If I don't specifically enable uBlock Origin, it 
seems
to remain inoperative.

I have never seen an 'add on' before that had to be constantly re-enabled.  Is 
this
normal behaviour for uBlock Origin?

Many thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment.


It wasn't working that way for me on 2.40. So something's wrong.
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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

2016-12-09 Thread cmcadams


Mr. Ed wrote:

On 12/07/16 3:32 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 07/12/2016 21:16, Mr. Ed wrote:


On 11/20/16 2:44 PM, Mason83 wrote:


1) I was using the StartPage search engine for searches done directly
in the location bar. It now goes to duckduckgo.


That also happens in SM 2.47 (64 bit).  Build identifier: 20161201025712
No matter what search engine is selected or moved to the "top"
duckduck takes over.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1265881#c6

"Workaround: set engine in Sidebar->Search and do a search.
Default engine is updated to this name."



Thanks.  Don't normally use Sidebar.  Did notice that whatever I change it to in
the Sidebar, it remains DuckDuck in the Edit/Preferences/Browser/Internet 
Search box



How I solved this in Windows 2.46:

Go to Edit > Preferences > Browser > Internet Search

Click on Manage Search Engines...

Delete every option but your search engine of choice in the pick-list. That engine 
will be the new default.


Clicking on Restore Defaults, afterwards, will restore the list but won't change the 
default.



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Re: akalla version 2.46 issues

2016-11-21 Thread cmcadams

Delete all the search engines in the pick list but the one you want. That becomes 
your new default.


If this bug is ever fixed, Restore Defaults will restore all choices, so nothing 
irreversible.



Mason83 wrote:

On 20/11/2016 20:44, Mason83 wrote:

1) I was using the StartPage search engine for searches done directly
in the location bar. It now goes to duckduckgo.


I used
keyword.URL = https://startpage.com/do/search?language=english=web=

This is no longer supported?

browser.search.defaultenginename = Startpage


browser.search.order.1 = DuckDuckGo (default val)
=> Changing that has no influence...

How to get the old behavior back?

Regards.



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Re: SM2.46 default search engine problem

2016-11-16 Thread cmcadams


Good enough, thanks.

A known problem is almost the same as no problem, right? :)


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

This is a known problem and tracked in Bug 1265881:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1265881

FRG

W3BNR wrote:

On 11/15/16 11:35 PM, cmcadams wrote:

I've just installed SM2.46, and discovered that the engine pick list in

Edit > Preferences > Browser > Internet Search

isn't working. I got my choice by deleting all the alternatives, which becomes
the new unchangeable option even if you then Restore Defaults.

Not a killer, because it can be gotten around, but still annoying.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0
SeaMonkey/2.46


WFM.  Can't reproduce here
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.46





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SM2.46 default search engine problem

2016-11-15 Thread cmcadams


I've just installed SM2.46, and discovered that the engine pick list in

Edit > Preferences > Browser > Internet Search

isn't working. I got my choice by deleting all the alternatives, which becomes the 
new unchangeable option even if you then Restore Defaults.


Not a killer, because it can be gotten around, but still annoying.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 
SeaMonkey/2.46

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Re: Seamonkey release?

2016-09-09 Thread cmcadams


Edmund Wong wrote:


Edmund,

A good explanation.

So, here's my question: Are there any Gecko alternatives out there that
aren't changing at a such a furious rate? Something to give us a
reasonable (and safe) SM but perhaps with a more consistent internal
interface that would be simpler to integrate with past versions?


There are a few Gecko alternatives out there (Blink, Webkit, just to
name two that I've heard of..  then we come to the murky-i-don't-know
territory that is Trident et. al).  However, changing our interfaces
from Gecko to use anything else is just as difficult to do (and dare
I say, impossible given our resources (or lack thereof)).

And anyway, in this day and age,  we live in an ever-changing
environment and thusly the backend would tend to change accordingly.
(There is a reason for it being called 'rapid release').



Because I don't like the impression I'm getting that the slope is rising
and that the trend is not in our favor!


The slope has ALWAYS been rising and until we find more resources to
flatten this slope by brute force *grin*, it's gonna be that way.

"not as much as a slope..  it's more close to a cliff than a slope."
:) (not really funny considering our predicament, but life's short..
gotta laugh at the steep/vertical slopes.. :D)  [kinda taken
from "Bottoms" quote : "Steep?  It's Effing Vertical!"]



Edmund



Okay, understood. Significant changes would likely mean a new project, with for-real 
funding. Easy enough if you're a Google, I suppose, so it's really too bad I don't 
care much for what they do. :P


Your work really is appreciated (speaketh the voice of frustration :).

Craig
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Re: Seamonkey release?

2016-09-09 Thread cmcadams


Edmund Wong wrote:

Stephan Thiele wrote:

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't really understand why
there still is no Seamonkey update after the 2.40 release in March,
almost half a year ago.


No.  Not a stupid question at all.  In fact, it's a very good question.


I am quite confused that there a nightlies with version numbers
increasing to 2.48 while there is not even a beta.


I wish there was an easy way of explaining this.  But, as Paul
stated, we're just a bunch of volunteers trying hard to maintain
our sanity with changes coming from Gecko's codebase and the
infra that needs a lot more love.  So all in all, a pretty much
mountain climb.

Excuses/reasons aside... I am really sorry for the lack of releases.


Seamonkey is my default browser and mail and news program, so I don't


Ditto here.



like to take any risk of losing my data and mails by using a buggy
nightly. On the other hand, I see a lot of security updates of Firefox
and Thunderbird which have been published in the meantime and therefore
I'm concerned about unfixed vulnerabilities in Seamonkey.

Any hope?


Sure.  I'm (my opinion here.. doesn't reflect the opinion of the
group) not sure if it will be 2.45  or even 2.46.   But we'll see.

"We shall see We shall see.."

Edmund



Edmund,

A good explanation.

So, here's my question: Are there any Gecko alternatives out there that aren't 
changing at a such a furious rate? Something to give us a reasonable (and safe) SM 
but perhaps with a more consistent internal interface that would be simpler to 
integrate with past versions?


Because I don't like the impression I'm getting that the slope is rising and that the 
trend is not in our favor!


Craig
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Re: B

2016-07-02 Thread cmcadams


Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Daniel schrieb:

On 1/07/2016 2:50 AM, sylviaandpau...@gmail.com wrote:

Are these two posts supposed to be blank?? I'm seeing nothing ... even
in Original HTML!!


me too



It's hardly a new thing. Happens occasionally and I have no clue why.
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Re: Bookmarks-nn.html files

2016-06-14 Thread cmcadams


no...@nonospam.org wrote:

I'm running SeaMonkey 2.40 under Windows 10, and recently migrated my profile 
from a
Windows XP machine which will soon be retired.

There are 74 files in my profile folder named Bookmarks-1.html through
Bookmarks-74.html with dates going back almost three years. They are of varying
sizes, and were created at varying intervals. All of them are a portion of my 
overall
bookmarks file.

What is the purpose of these files? What causes them to be created? Is it safe 
to
delete any or all of them? Thanks!

John


I can tell you it's safe to delete them. The strange intervals & sizes of the files 
make me suspect a bug that was never fixed.

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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread cmcadams


WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 10:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag 
screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


How many SeaMonkey users go there? There's only a little over 100,000 of you at 
last
check. I don't think you clogged the Inbox. Nice they listened. 



I think it's likely we weren't alone. They passed-go on only the latest of a few 
browsers.


At any rate I'm gotting multiple apology emails from weather.com.
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-05 Thread cmcadams


Ant wrote:

On 5/4/2016 7:42 PM, cmcadams wrote:
...

The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the
nag screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)


I wonder how many complaints? All from us? [grin]


A nice thought, but probably not. :/
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread cmcadams


Big Jim wrote:

On 5/4/2016 10:19 PM, Ant wrote:

...

MAY 04, 2016  |  08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the
recent introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your
browser. We have introduced new features to our site to update its use
and some of these features are only explicitly supported by newer
mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you did not have issues
with our new features in your browser or older version of the browser,
so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser
will not get this check and message.
+

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the
issue, somehow.


Wow, yours was similiar to what I got earlier today. :/


The weather.com web site now displays correctly, without showing the nag 
screen. They
must have actually listened to us!


I'll bet it's hard to ignore an inbox clogged with complaints. :)
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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

2016-05-04 Thread cmcadams

Gordon Weast wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):

Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?

Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/

Let's all do it! :)

That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.

You might have better luck reporting it at

Web compatibility is about making sure web sites work consistently
across all browsers and devices.

Thank you for the suggestion. I opened a problem with them. Others
might want to comment as well here:

https://webcompat.com/issues/2517

Dave

I just tried weather.com with Seamonkey 2.40 and hit their nag dialog that won't
close at all. I did manage to send a problem report and just got an email
response
that they received it.

I don't know if anyone there will do anything about it though. I let them know
that
I won't be using their service or see any of their ads until they fix it.

The Intellicast web site works fine, so I'm switching back to that one for
weather
radar and forecasts.

Gordon

Had the same problem with their interactive weather map at

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/l/USTX0327:1:US?interactiveMapLayer=radar=r

and sent them a msg about it last night. Received this response:

+
MAY 04, 2016 | 08:39AM EDT
LaToya replied:

We apologize for your difficulties in accessing our site due to the recent
introduction of a browser check and request to upgrade your browser. We have
introduced new features to our site to update its use and some of these features are
only explicitly supported by newer mainstream browser versions. It’s good to hear you
did not have issues with our new features in your browser or older version of the
browser, so our development team will loosen the upgrade rules so your browser will
not get this check and message.

No changes yet. I'll guess their geniuses are attempting to finesse the issue,
somehow.
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Why Seamonkey was really a very good name

2015-12-17 Thread cmcadams


http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151217-the-tiny-creatures-that-flew-to-the-moon-twice-and-survived


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Re: Is it safe to upgrade to Windows 10

2015-08-29 Thread cmcadams


Rick Merrill wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 08/12/2015 2:51 PM:

stan pierce wrote:


I'm using SM 2.32.1. on Windows 7. Is it time to move to Windows 10
or should I wait for a newer SM? Thanks. Stan.


My usual practice with a new OS, and I recommend it to all my friends, is to 
wait a
bit and let all the eager beavers, uh, early adopters, shake out the bugs. 
After
a few months, when things settle down and you can be confident that it's stable,
you can upgrade.

What's the hurry? You have a system that works fine and M$ is not about to end
support for Win7.


Had SM on Win 8 and up graded to Win 10 and SM continues on AOK.  (there are
pressures to end support for Win 7 - we'll see)



If SM stops supporting 7 they definitely won't like what happens. At the moment SM is 
a seemingly threadbare project with some demand (judging by posts) for new versions. 
Cancel 7 support and what you'll see is a threadbare project with echoes where the 
user base used to be. It will be years (say, 2020) before 7 ceases being a 
significant OS.


Speaking for myself, too much hardware and software I have no intention of rebuying 
dies past 7 for lack of support.

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Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams


Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of 
SM.
Also,
haven't seen an update in a while.  So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing 
the
point
where I cannot any longer stick with SM.

(snip)

Thoughts?


Why bother updating?
Just change your UA:
User-Agent: Mozilla/9.0 (Windows NT 10.1; WOW128; rv:99.0) Gecko/20200101 
Firefox/99.0


If only the devs knew this, imagine all the trouble they could save!


My 2.26.1 should work well past 2020.
My computers don't get mal stuff.  Never have.
Don't have any virus shields either.  Waste of resources.
The NSA will get in no matter what version of SM you have.



Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I ever 
got got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't 
check. No more Java, here.

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Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams


Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:



Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I
ever got
got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't 
check.
No more
Java, here.


Yah, I do a full scan once per week on all the machines with an anti-vir
and Malwarebytes.  If a comp starts acting strange I do a scan with
a Linux boot CD scanner and anti-root kitter.
So far, any strangeness has been by my own doing!



I keep multiple partition backups on an external disk, and if something happens, 
usually because of something I did, I can revert without much angst. Saves needing to 
get fancy. I've never had anything get beyond a boot partition, that I know of. But 
if it did having the backups, plus something capable of rewriting boot sectors, 
should serve (he said, ever so confidently.) If not, there are always flamethrowers 
and holy water.


Should have mentioned that Adobe Acrobat is also a thing of the past, and I keep my 
Flashes locked down. No saving to disk, no sharing, no nothin' but playing videos. 
The three, Java, Adobe and Flash, seem to be the main players.

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Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams


cmcadams wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:



Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I
ever got
got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't 
check.
No more
Java, here.


Yah, I do a full scan once per week on all the machines with an anti-vir
and Malwarebytes.  If a comp starts acting strange I do a scan with
a Linux boot CD scanner and anti-root kitter.
So far, any strangeness has been by my own doing!



I keep multiple partition backups on an external disk, and if something happens,
usually because of something I did, I can revert without much angst. Saves 
needing to
get fancy. I've never had anything get beyond a boot partition, that I know of. 
But
if it did having the backups, plus something capable of rewriting boot sectors,
should serve (he said, ever so confidently.) If not, there are always 
flamethrowers
and holy water.

Should have mentioned that Adobe Acrobat is also a thing of the past, and I 
keep my
Flashes locked down. No saving to disk, no sharing, no nothin' but playing 
videos.
The three, Java, Adobe and Flash, seem to be the main players.


And Adblock Plus! Never ever forget that...
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Re: What version of SM is used by most here?

2015-06-29 Thread cmcadams


Ant wrote:

On 6/27/2015 1:01 AM, cmcadams wrote:
...

I don't check for updates at present. I see them in passing, but I'm not
interested. One of my very specific reasons for staying with 2.26.1
has to do with how the HTML email editor still functions. As opposed to
the non-functioning evident in later versions. At least the ones I've
tried.


Which fucntions were those?



A few things with respect to the HTML emails: keyboard cursor functions. Press 
PageDown, for instance, or CTRL_PageDown, and it can leap to the top (or anyplace), 
and not that predictably. It seems to depend on the material.


In 2.26.1, when you double-clicked on a graphic, a window opened that let you change 
things concerning that graphic. Dimensions, proportions, spacing on whichever sides, 
links, and so on. In the later Windows versions I've tried all that's gone. Now it's 
mousing all the way, through layers of menus to accomplish the same things.


Features might theoretically still be there, but are just too exasperating to put up 
with when there's an alternative that's faster.

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Re: What version of SM is used by most here?

2015-06-27 Thread cmcadams


WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/25/2015 09:10 PM, cmcadams wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

What is the most reliable version available now?  I've read of so many
problems I
can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my
short term
memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade
[safely]. I'm
assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are.

Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm
being pushed to
do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do
something, they
updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I
have now
changed that.]   I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my
anxiety, and take
pity on me, because I'm old.  :)
bj


I'm still on 2.26.1, but that's for very specific reasons that very
likely wouldn't apply to you.

As far as upgrading goes, I've discovered you can do it with wild
abandon. Just uninstall the old, run the new installer. It really is as
simple as that. My data has always remained intact.



Why do all of that?


All of what? Using 2.26.1 or the way I do updates (when I do them)?


Doesn't Help  Check for Updates, or Automatically check for updates work?


I don't check for updates at present. I see them in passing, but I'm not interested. 
One of my very specific reasons for staying with 2.26.1 has to do with how the HTML 
email editor still functions. As opposed to the non-functioning evident in later 
versions. At least the ones I've tried.


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Re: What version of SM is used by most here?

2015-06-25 Thread cmcadams


chicagofan wrote:

What is the most reliable version available now?  I've read of so many problems 
I
can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term
memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. 
I'm
assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are.

Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being 
pushed to
do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do 
something, they
updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now
changed that.]   I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and 
take
pity on me, because I'm old.  :)
bj


I'm still on 2.26.1, but that's for very specific reasons that very likely wouldn't 
apply to you.


As far as upgrading goes, I've discovered you can do it with wild abandon. Just 
uninstall the old, run the new installer. It really is as simple as that. My data has 
always remained intact.

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Re: Plugin Check

2015-05-02 Thread cmcadams


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Plugin check now works for SeaMonkey. Thanks to those involved in fixing
it (Philip Chee, Schalk Neethling, and possibly others), and to cmcadams
for raising the problem here so it could be brought to their attention.


Woot!

It's still a little squirrelly (requires research for Adobe Shockwave), but 
it's a
huge improvement over manually checking each and every plugin myself.

Thanks, guys!



It's always been a little squirrelly that way, so we're back to normal!

My thanks also to the people who fixed the problem.
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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1

2015-04-17 Thread cmcadams

Ed Mullen wrote:

cmcadams wrote on 4/16/2015 10:31 PM:

Daniel wrote:

On 16/04/15 03:39, cmcadams wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/14/2015 11:06 PM, cmcadams wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news
website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end
up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going
astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.

Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the
expected stories.

Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/29.0
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently
decided to follow
its partition into oblivion.

Spoke too soon. All of the Most Popular links on the home page do
work correctly
(although the picture/headline links are still aimed differently).
But if you go to
any other page, US Canada, for example, the Most Popular links do
behave as I
described.

At http://www.bbc.com/news/world/us_and_canada, all Most Popular
from
US and Canada links -- those listed with days of the week -- send
me to
the story US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for
identification. Even the header Most Popular from US and Canada
itself is a link to that page.

At the US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for identification
page, however, the links under Most Popular -- no from US and
Canada
in the header, no days of the week, and the header itself not a link --
work as intended.

This matches what I'm seeing.

Obviously, the problem is with the BBC's Web site and not with
SeaMonkey. The problem should be reported to the BBC and not here.

As I mentioned, it works in IE. Have you ever encountered a web site
that gives a fig about claims dependent on Seamonkey?

Wasn't there, some time ago, a fad where a web page would determine
which browser you
were using (MSIE/FF) and display a page supposed set up particularly
for that Browser??

Could this be the problem??

(I note that Paul's User-Agent string mentions Ff SM, but as David
is posting with
TB, I'm guessing he is viewing with FF.)

I don't know. I've got Advertise Firefox compatibility checked (in
Preferences - Advanced - HTTP Networking).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_sniffing

https://www.google.com/search?hl=enas_q=browser+sniffingas_epq=as_oq=as_eq=as_nlo=as_nhi=lr=cr=as_qdr=allas_sitesearch=mozilla.orgas_occt=anysafe=imagestbs=as_filetype=as_rights=

Browser sniffing is generally agreed to be a bad practice. Instead,
responsive/flexible design is preferred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

Appreciate the info.

As I mentioned somewhere up the thread, websites don't seem particularly impressed
when they're called on it. Yeah, I've tried.

Whether that's the cause of the present problem is almost an imponderable, just too
many settings, differences from one system to another, etc.

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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1

2015-04-16 Thread cmcadams


Daniel wrote:

On 16/04/15 03:39, cmcadams wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/14/2015 11:06 PM, cmcadams wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news
website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going
astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the
expected stories.



Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/29.0
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently
decided to follow
its partition into oblivion.


Spoke too soon. All of the Most Popular links on the home page do
work correctly
(although the picture/headline links are still aimed differently).
But if you go to
any other page, US  Canada, for example, the Most Popular links do
behave as I
described.



At http://www.bbc.com/news/world/us_and_canada, all Most Popular from
US and Canada links -- those listed with days of the week -- send me to
the story US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for
identification.  Even the header Most Popular from US and Canada
itself is a link to that page.

At the US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for identification
page, however, the links under Most Popular -- no from US and Canada
in the header, no days of the week, and the header itself not a link --
work as intended.


This matches what I'm seeing.


Obviously, the problem is with the BBC's Web site and not with
SeaMonkey.  The problem should be reported to the BBC and not here.


As I mentioned, it works in IE. Have you ever encountered a web site
that gives a fig about claims dependent on Seamonkey?


Wasn't there, some time ago, a fad where a web page would determine which 
browser you
were using (MSIE/FF) and display a page supposed set up particularly for that 
Browser??

Could this be the problem??

(I note that Paul's User-Agent string mentions Ff  SM, but as David is posting 
with
TB, I'm guessing he is viewing with FF.)



I don't know. I've got Advertise Firefox compatibility checked (in Preferences - 
Advanced - HTTP Networking).

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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news
website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going
astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the
expected stories.



Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/29.0
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently
decided to follow its partition into oblivion.


Spoke too soon. All of the Most Popular links on the home page do work
correctly (although the picture/headline links are still aimed
differently). But if you go to any other page, US  Canada, for example,
the Most Popular links do behave as I described.


OK, tried again with the US  Canada page, still no problem. Visited all five 
Most
Popular links, got the expected stories.

Try clearing your cache.



Unfortunately clearing my cache doesn't change anything.

This time on the XP machine I mentioned, still SM 2.26.1.
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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1


David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/14/2015 11:06 PM, cmcadams wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the expected 
stories.



Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/29.0
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently decided to 
follow
its partition into oblivion.


Spoke too soon. All of the Most Popular links on the home page do work 
correctly
(although the picture/headline links are still aimed differently). But if you 
go to
any other page, US  Canada, for example, the Most Popular links do behave as 
I
described.



At http://www.bbc.com/news/world/us_and_canada, all Most Popular from
US and Canada links -- those listed with days of the week -- send me to
the story US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for
identification.  Even the header Most Popular from US and Canada
itself is a link to that page.

At the US to exhume remains of Pearl Harbor dead for identification
page, however, the links under Most Popular -- no from US and Canada
in the header, no days of the week, and the header itself not a link --
work as intended.


This matches what I'm seeing.


Obviously, the problem is with the BBC's Web site and not with
SeaMonkey.  The problem should be reported to the BBC and not here.


As I mentioned, it works in IE. Have you ever encountered a web site that gives a fig 
about claims dependent on Seamonkey?


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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1


mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Works fine for me in SeaMonkey 2.33.1 on Windows.

 From other posts in this thread, it appears that those reporting problems are 
using
2.26.1, and those with newer versions don't see a problem. Perhaps it's time to
upgrade. If there is a problem in SeaMonkey 2.26.1, it's not going to be fixed
without upgrading to a newer version anyway.

I have noticed that some other sites with coding errors are handled better in 
newer
versions of SeaMonkey.

Mark.



Cleft stick, gaining one thing to lose another. Specifically, I'm obligated to 
compose frequent HTML emails, and SM's editor in versions after 2.26.1 are trashed, 
just a hair above completely unusable.

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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1


EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Why not use the most recent release of SeaMonkey?  That is 2.33.1, and you can 
get it
here:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/



Other features of SM are close to unusable after 2.26.1. For people who don't use 
those features, no reason not to stay current. For others, a choice to be made...

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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1


cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the expected 
stories.



Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/29.0
SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently decided to 
follow
its partition into oblivion.


Spoke too soon. All of the Most Popular links on the home page do work correctly 
(although the picture/headline links are still aimed differently). But if you go to 
any other page, US  Canada, for example, the Most Popular links do behave as I 
described.

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BBC broken in SM 2.26.1

2015-04-14 Thread cmcadams

I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website are 
helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.


The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at the wrong 
destination. Links that should be to the same story are different for the links 
contained within photos and the headlines immediately beneath the photos, with the 
headline links going astray. To confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.


Everything appears to work properly under IE.
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Re: BBC broken in SM 2.26.1

2015-04-14 Thread cmcadams


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


I'm finding that links at the redesigned http://www.bbc.com/news website
are helter-skelter in SM 2.26.1.

The links under the Most Popular head on individual pages end up at
the wrong destination. Links that should be to the same story are
different for the links contained within photos and the headlines
immediately beneath the photos, with the headline links going astray. To
confuse matters, some links actually work as they should.

Everything appears to work properly under IE.


Everything works fine for me.

I followed all 10 Most Popular links and they all took me to the expected 
stories.



Interesting.

This UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 
SeaMonkey/2.26.1


Will try again under XP on another computer. My Linux SM recently decided to follow 
its partition into oblivion.

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Re: Plugin Check


WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/08/2015 06:24 PM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/08/2015 05:34 PM, cmcadams wrote:

When I go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ I'm getting

Currently the plugin check service is only available to Firefox users.

That's new.



Well, SeaMonkey isn't a Mozilla product, just one that is based on
Mozilla technology.

[Featured Mozilla-Based Applications —
Mozilla](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/mozilla-based/)



I am duly reassured. :/



OK they lie. Plugin check works with Thunderbird, but it is a Mozilla product.



Being disavowed is sort of like being special, I suppose.
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Plugin Check


When I go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ I'm getting

Currently the plugin check service is only available to Firefox users.

That's new.
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Re: Plugin Check


WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/08/2015 05:34 PM, cmcadams wrote:

When I go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ I'm getting

Currently the plugin check service is only available to Firefox users.

That's new.



Well, SeaMonkey isn't a Mozilla product, just one that is based on Mozilla 
technology.

[Featured Mozilla-Based Applications —
Mozilla](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/mozilla-based/)



I am duly reassured. :/
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Re: Plugin Check


Ed Mullen wrote:

cmcadams wrote on 4/8/2015 6:42 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/08/2015 06:24 PM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 04/08/2015 05:34 PM, cmcadams wrote:

When I go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ I'm getting

Currently the plugin check service is only available to Firefox
users.

That's new.



Well, SeaMonkey isn't a Mozilla product, just one that is based on
Mozilla technology.

[Featured Mozilla-Based Applications —
Mozilla](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/mozilla-based/)



I am duly reassured. :/



OK they lie. Plugin check works with Thunderbird, but it is a Mozilla
product.



Being disavowed is sort of like being special, I suppose.


There's a difference between a Product and a Project.  SeaMonkey and 
Thunderbird
are now Mozilla projects, not products.  Meaning, they are getting some 
support
from Mozilla but are not getting programmers.



Or access to common features such as the plugin check. Yes, a lack of resources is 
noticeable in comparison to years past. I can only imagine how it is compared to FF 
or TB, since I don't use them.

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Re: attachments in the Sent Folder (waste of space)

2015-02-22 Thread cmcadams


Geoff Welsh wrote:

for a long time, I have tried to remember, that, I should detach/delete 
pictures sent
to me as attachments to messages.  But, it just dawned on me that every time I 
have
SENT a picture, as an attachment, that picture is saved in my Sent Folder.

Is there a setting to make that not permanent?

My sent folder goes back ten years, at least.

GW
(on Mac, with SM 2.34a1)


Only way I know is to manually bring up the message, right click on the attachment 
and click Delete. No general settings that I'm aware of.

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Re: Plugin check confusion

2015-01-27 Thread cmcadams


Desiree wrote:

On 1/26/2015 11:23 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Lee wrote:


On 1/27/15, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com
wrote:


Lately the Mozilla plugin check has been confused and confusing:
some plugins that are up to date according to their publishers are
listed as out of date, and others are suddenly unknown. What
gives? Did Mozilla suddenly abandon this and quit managing it?


It's a non-trivial task keeping the list updated but your first
example shows they are keeping it current.


Examples:

Adobe Shockwave Flash 16.0.0.287 is listed as potentially
vulnerable and I'm advised to update, but this is the current
version.


Just checking if you've got the latest version available for
download isn't good enuf :(


It's all a user can do, ain't it? -- At least a user who's unwilling to
let software update itself automatically without asking. But thanks for
the heads-up.


http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-01.html

Users who have enabled auto-update for the Flash Player desktop
runtime will be receiving version 16.0.0.296

Adobe expects to have an update available for manual download during
the week of January 26


OK, let's see when the week of January 26 begins at Adobe.


Adobe Acrobat 10.X (in my case, 10.1.13.16) has been listed as out of
date for years, but there are no updates available (unless I want to
shell out hundreds of dollars for a version upgrade -- any reason to do
that?).


Adobe security bulletins are at http://helpx.adobe.com/security.html


OK, thanks.


The famous Java Runtime Environment is suddenly up to date and green
although it's blocked as unsafe. Hunh?


JRE has had a pretty bad security record lately.  The latest version
probably is unsafe.


Yep, I know from about:addons. So why's it up to date and green here?
Not the same treatment as for Flash, which is also vulnerable but not
updateable.


All these are unknown:

Windows Activation Technologies (v. 7.1.7600.16395)
VLC Web Plugin v. 2.1.3.0 as discussed here at length
Adobe Shockwave for Director v. 12.1.6.156
Microsoft Office 2010 v.14.0.4730.1010
Windows Live Photo Gallery v. 15.4.3538.513

The last two have been unknown for years but the other three are new
additions to the list.


uhmm... seems to me that if they're new additions then clearly mozilla
hasn't abandoned the plugin check.


Really? Shockwave for Director is suddenly unknown after all these
years? Did something break between here and Adobe?

Doesn't look to me like they're maintaining it if the Office 2010 and
Windows Live Photo Gallery plugins have been unknown for three years.


I updated Flash on Saturday to 296 a few moments after Adobe announced the new
version.  Here's where you should be updating Flash:

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html

For IE 10 and 11 you go here (if Microsoft wakes up and patches):

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2755801


Thanks for those links. I had something similar bookmarked that I used for years, but 
they started giving 404s a while back.


I don't know why Adobe prefers updating to be so convoluted.
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Re: Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-16 Thread cmcadams


NoOp wrote:

On 11/11/2014 09:46 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've discovered is 
that
Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com website. This is the case on 
two
computers running 2.30, running different OSes. The only relevant add-in for 
both is
Adblock Plus.

However they do load in IE 11. :P

User Agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30



Works for me:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30




Yeah, it's me.
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Re: Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-14 Thread cmcadams


cmcadams wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've
discovered is that Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com
website. This is the case on two computers running 2.30, running
different OSes. The only relevant add-in for both is Adblock Plus.

However they do load in IE 11. :P

User Agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30


WFM, with ABP enabled. I click the Show Comments button and they appear.

UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30



Thanks. I've got myself a find-the-offending-settings problem.


To anyone who might be curious: I believe I've narrowed down the problem to something 
that was changed in about:config.


Given that many of my settings go back to Netscape days, and that there are lots and 
lots of *customized* settings (which remained in effect in Safe Mode, I'll add), I'll 
either settle or head back to 2.26.1...

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Re: Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-12 Thread cmcadams


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've
discovered is that Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com
website. This is the case on two computers running 2.30, running
different OSes. The only relevant add-in for both is Adblock Plus.

However they do load in IE 11. :P

User Agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30


WFM, with ABP enabled. I click the Show Comments button and they appear.

UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30



Thanks. I've got myself a find-the-offending-settings problem.
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Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-11 Thread cmcadams

Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've discovered is that 
Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com website. This is the case on two 
computers running 2.30, running different OSes. The only relevant add-in for both is 
Adblock Plus.


However they do load in IE 11. :P

User Agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30
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Re: Is SM hacked by FBI CIA or NSA?

2014-10-30 Thread cmcadams


stan wrote:

I am getting red line above all emails from the organizations which are 
politically
active i.e. Oath Keepers.

It states: Sea Monkey regards this message as a scam, Ignore Warning? X

There is no way how to permanently make any email from Oath Keepers friendly. I
suspect the government foul play.

Does anyone can tell me how to suppers this stupid warning.


Most likely you're just on someone's mailing list (not that FBI, CIA or NSA couldn't 
have their own foul play mailing lists, of course).


Get acquainted with your ISP's email filters.
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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

2014-10-28 Thread cmcadams


Daniel wrote:

On 28/10/14 10:13, cmcadams wrote:

EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:


Snip


Neglected to mention above that when the post contains photo the
filename appears at the top right under Attachments:. When you double
click on it, instead of displaying the photo 2.30 displays alphanumeric
- the header data is readable. So SM is receiving the data, it just
isn't displaying properly.


Can you detach it and then open it as a separate file?



I confirm YES. Good thought...

What type of file is the photo?? What is the three character suffix??


.jpg - JPEGs.


If you go to Edit-Preferences-Browser-Helper Applications, do you have 
anything
set up to handle this file type??


It says Always ask. What seems more telling is that this is the first version of SM 
(I skipped 2.29) where newsgroup graphics will not display. Nothing has changed in my 
SM config.


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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

2014-10-28 Thread cmcadams


NoOp wrote:

On 10/28/2014 09:42 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 10/27/2014 04:13 PM, cmcadams wrote:

...

Neglected to mention above that when the post contains photo the
filename appears at the top right under Attachments:. When you double
click on it, instead of displaying the photo 2.30 displays alphanumeric
- the header data is readable. So SM is receiving the data, it just
isn't displaying properly.


Can you detach it and then open it as a separate file?



I confirm YES. Good thought...



Now that several of us have confirmed the issue (on linux and Windows),
please file a bug report.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided



Better yet, add comments to this bug report which is still open:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776
(Bug 893776 - No images loading in newsgroups on version 2.19 but does
with both version 1.16 and 2.17 )




We'll see what good it does.
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Re: Looks like 2.30 is still broken


Cruz, Jaime wrote:

At least as far as displaying MIME binaries from newsgroups. :-(



Ditto. Sad, because 2.30 is worlds better than 2.26.1 when it comes to 
passwords.
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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images


WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

This might have already been addressed when I wasn't looking, but I'm now seeing
for myself that SM 2.30 refuses to display images in the only newsgroup I 
subscribe
to that uses them. The placeholder shows forever.

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30



Which newsgroup might that be?


cnews.corel.com
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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images


WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 08:53 AM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

This might have already been addressed when I wasn't looking, but I'm now seeing
for myself that SM 2.30 refuses to display images in the only newsgroup I 
subscribe
to that uses them. The placeholder shows forever.

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30



Which newsgroup might that be?


cnews.corel.com



Sorry, but my usenet server doesn't carry that newsgroup.

I would ask what Usenet host you were using, but don't plan to add another to my
application just to test.


My answer was imprecise, sorry.

cnews.corel.com is the server, corel.PaintShopPro_Photography is the newsgroup I view 
most often.

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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

Daniel wrote:

On 28/10/14 00:33, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 08:53 AM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

This might have already been addressed when I wasn't looking, but
I'm now seeing
for myself that SM 2.30 refuses to display images in the only
newsgroup I subscribe
to that uses them. The placeholder shows forever.

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30

Which newsgroup might that be?

cnews.corel.com

Sorry, but my usenet server doesn't carry that newsgroup.

I would ask what Usenet host you were using, but don't plan to add
another to my
application just to test.

My answer was imprecise, sorry.

cnews.corel.com is the server, corel.PaintShopPro_Photography is the
newsgroup I view most often.

I've added that group to my UseNet server. There are only 32 messages showing,
but
several of the threads start like Re: Memorial monument - BW -
IMG_8703_BW.jpg, and
the Re: at the start indicates to me that I'm not looking at the original post,
the
post that may have had the picture included.

Looking at just a few of the posts, I don't see any pictures on the actual
group, but
I do see links to Day 4 - Margaretsville to Digby link...
http://ghealy.smugmug.com/Galleries/Photography/Places/Vacations/Nova-Scotia-2010/Day-4Margaretsville-Digby/

HTH

Yes to all of the above. When a message contains a photo (and no way to know before
double-clicking) you see the name of the file on the demarcation line at the bottom
followed by the graphic placeholder. Which, in the case of 2.30, never goes away.

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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

Daniel wrote:

On 28/10/14 00:33, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 08:53 AM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30

Which newsgroup might that be?

cnews.corel.com

Sorry, but my usenet server doesn't carry that newsgroup.

I would ask what Usenet host you were using, but don't plan to add
another to my
application just to test.

My answer was imprecise, sorry.

cnews.corel.com is the server, corel.PaintShopPro_Photography is the
newsgroup I view most often.

HTH

Neglected to mention above that when the post contains photo the filename appears at
the top right under Attachments:. When you double click on it, instead of
displaying the photo 2.30 displays alphanumeric - the header data is readable. So SM
is receiving the data, it just isn't displaying properly.

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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

EE wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 28/10/14 00:33, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 08:53 AM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30

Which newsgroup might that be?

cnews.corel.com

Sorry, but my usenet server doesn't carry that newsgroup.

I would ask what Usenet host you were using, but don't plan to add
another to my
application just to test.

My answer was imprecise, sorry.

cnews.corel.com is the server, corel.PaintShopPro_Photography is the
newsgroup I view most often.

I've added that group to my UseNet server. There are only 32 messages
showing, but
several of the threads start like Re: Memorial monument - BW -
IMG_8703_BW.jpg, and
the Re: at the start indicates to me that I'm not looking at the
original post, the
post that may have had the picture included.

Looking at just a few of the posts, I don't see any pictures on the
actual group, but
I do see links to Day 4 - Margaretsville to Digby link...
http://ghealy.smugmug.com/Galleries/Photography/Places/Vacations/Nova-Scotia-2010/Day-4Margaretsville-Digby/

HTH

Neglected to mention above that when the post contains photo the
filename appears at the top right under Attachments:. When you double
click on it, instead of displaying the photo 2.30 displays alphanumeric
- the header data is readable. So SM is receiving the data, it just
isn't displaying properly.

Can you detach it and then open it as a separate file?

I confirm YES. Good thought...
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Re: 2.30 newsgroup images

Wolf wrote:

cmcadams schrieb am 27.10.2014 15:07:

Daniel wrote:

On 28/10/14 00:33, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 08:53 AM, cmcadams wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/27/2014 01:30 AM, cmcadams wrote:

Some improvements in 2.30, but I'm starting to think 2.26.1...

User string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30

Which newsgroup might that be?

cnews.corel.com

Sorry, but my usenet server doesn't carry that newsgroup.

I would ask what Usenet host you were using, but don't plan to add
another to my
application just to test.

My answer was imprecise, sorry.

cnews.corel.com is the server, corel.PaintShopPro_Photography is the
newsgroup I view most often.

I've added that group to my UseNet server. There are only 32 messages
showing, but
several of the threads start like Re: Memorial monument - BW -
IMG_8703_BW.jpg, and
the Re: at the start indicates to me that I'm not looking at the
original post, the
post that may have had the picture included.

Looking at just a few of the posts, I don't see any pictures on the
actual group, but
I do see links to Day 4 - Margaretsville to Digby link...
http://ghealy.smugmug.com/Galleries/Photography/Places/Vacations/Nova-Scotia-2010/Day-4Margaretsville-Digby/

HTH

Yes to all of the above. When a message contains a photo (and no way to
know before double-clicking) you see the name of the file on the
demarcation line at the bottom followed by the graphic placeholder.
Which, in the case of 2.30, never goes away.

Have to confirm the problem with SM 2.30 from UbuntuZilla PPA,

Assuming the different platforms are the same in this.

My UA string again:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

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