Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Ray_Net wrote on 6/5/2017 12:33 PM:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 15:05:

On 6/5/17 2:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.

I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.


The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.
And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender Only"
... try it



I always use Followup, and proved you don't need a SMTP server for a
newsgroup account.

You can use whatever makes you happy. Enjoy!


All that is ok, fo me, I have all well understood.
I was just saying to rickman (who did not have any smtp server) that he
cannot do a
"Reply to the Sender Only" (this is what Chris Ilias have explained to me)


Not really correct.  My default server is not NNTP.  It is my email server. 
This setting is only for sending an email reply which is usually of no value 
because most people don't provide valid email addresses with their posts.


Hopefully we can put this thread to bed.  It has gone far past its usefulness.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote on 05-06-17 16:08:
On 6/5/17 at 7:51 AM, Richard Alan's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !


No, an SMTP server is not needed.


Agreed. Posting a newsgroup message/reply is handled via NNTP.




Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
needed...


Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.



Two buttons, one Reply, one Reply All. In the drop-down for Reply are: 
Reply to Newsgroup, and, Reply to Sender Only. The latter would use 
the SMTP server since it would be an email, not a news post. In Reply 
All are: Reply to Sender and Newsgroup, and, Reply to All Recipients. 
The former would use the SMTP server since the sender reply would be 
an email. The newsgroup post would use NNTP to post the reply to the 
group.



Perfect explanation - thanks.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Richard Alan wrote on 05-06-17 13:51:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !

No, an SMTP server is not needed.


Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
needed...

Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.

This is what I had understood ...
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 15:05:

On 6/5/17 2:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing 
Server (SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the 
NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.

The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my 
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.

And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender 
Only" ... try it




I always use Followup, and proved you don't need a SMTP server for a 
newsgroup account.


You can use whatever makes you happy. Enjoy!


All that is ok, fo me, I have all well understood.
I was just saying to rickman (who did not have any smtp server) that he 
cannot do a

"Reply to the Sender Only" (this is what Chris Ilias have explained to me)
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ed Mullen]

On 6/5/17 at 7:51 AM, Richard Alan's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !


No, an SMTP server is not needed.


Agreed. Posting a newsgroup message/reply is handled via NNTP.




Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
needed...


Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.



Two buttons, one Reply, one Reply All. In the drop-down for Reply are: 
Reply to Newsgroup, and, Reply to Sender Only. The latter would use the 
SMTP server since it would be an email, not a news post. In Reply All 
are: Reply to Sender and Newsgroup, and, Reply to All Recipients. The 
former would use the SMTP server since the sender reply would be an 
email. The newsgroup post would use NNTP to post the reply to the group.


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Re: New user - with questions

[WaltS48]

On 6/5/17 2:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server 
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.

The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my 
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.

And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender 
Only" ... try it




I always use Followup, and proved you don't need a SMTP server for a 
newsgroup account.


You can use whatever makes you happy. Enjoy!

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Re: New user - with questions

[Daniel]

On 5/06/2017 4:01 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.

I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.


The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.
And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender
Only" ... try it

Ray, I can only suggest that yours is set to "smtp.scarlet.be" as your 
default server because *YOU* have selected to make it your default server.


On that same drop-down, for "Outgoing Server (SMTP):", I only have "Use 
Default Server" (which is selected) and "smtp.albury.net.au (Default)" 
(my ISP).


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Re: New user - with questions

[Richard Alan]

Ray_Net wrote:

> Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !

No, an SMTP server is not needed. 

> Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server
> needed...

Yes, but only if you want to send an EMAIL reply to a poster, which will 
not appear in the newsgroup. Hardly anyone does that.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 09:20:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/5/2017 2:06 AM:

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 00:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org

account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.

This screen did not ask you about an SMTP server.
I have checked with a mail account, and this is the same for a mail 
account
or a newsgroup account, the need of an smtp server is on the screen I 
show

you this is on the parameter of the account, not of the server.
The server settings are for READ and the account settings are for WRITE.


When you click on Server Settings, what does it say for server type?  
If it says NNTP then you are editing a news server setup. If it says 
POP mail server (or maybe IMAP) then this is a setup for an email server.



Yes, but an smtp server is needed for a NEWSGROUP account !
Anyway Chris Ilias have fully explained why there is an smtp server 
needed...

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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Ray_Net wrote on 6/5/2017 2:06 AM:

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 00:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.

This screen did not ask you about an SMTP server.
I have checked with a mail account, and this is the same for a mail account
or a newsgroup account, the need of an smtp server is on the screen I show
you this is on the parameter of the account, not of the server.
The server settings are for READ and the account settings are for WRITE.


When you click on Server Settings, what does it say for server type?  If it 
says NNTP then you are editing a news server setup.  If it says POP mail 
server (or maybe IMAP) then this is a setup for an email server.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

rickman wrote on 05-06-17 00:57:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org

account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for 
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".


Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you 
another screen for NNTP server type.

This screen did not ask you about an SMTP server.
I have checked with a mail account, and this is the same for a mail 
account or a newsgroup account, the need of an smtp server is on the 
screen I show you this is on the parameter of the account, not of the 
server.

The server settings are for READ and the account settings are for WRITE.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 05-06-17 01:50:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server 
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.

The default server IS NOT the NNTP server. as you can see on my 
screenshot "smtp.scarlet.be" is my default server.

And because you don't have any smtp server ...
...you are are to "Reply to Newsgroup" but not "Reply to the Sender 
Only" ... try it


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

WaltS48 wrote on 6/4/2017 7:50 PM:

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.


The point is it is *not* the server settings page which is what he needs.



I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.

I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.




Funny, I can't pull up a way to add an email account.  When I pull up
"add account" it is only for NNTP servers.  Go figure!



Known issue.

After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To work
around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X is the
internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in about:config,
or delete the invalid news account (bug 521861).

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.46/


Thanks.  I don't use email in SeaMonkey, so I'm good.

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Re: New user - with questions

[WaltS48]

rickman wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the
news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for
Outgoing Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".

Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you
another screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think
you need to start over and add a new account.


It is the Account Settings page for his news.mozilla.org account.

I only have that account here, no email accounts. The Outgoing Server 
(SMTP): field shows "Use Default Server". That would be the NNTP server.


I have no SMTP server listed in Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings.




Funny, I can't pull up a way to add an email account.  When I pull up
"add account" it is only for NNTP servers.  Go figure!



Known issue.

After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews 
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To 
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X 
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in 
about:config, or delete the invalid news account (bug 521861).


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 5:26 PM:



Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the news.mozilla.org
account:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s


This is not the page where you set the news server.  My setting for Outgoing 
Server (SMTP) is "Use Default Server".


Click on Server Settings below news.mozilla.org which will give you another 
screen for NNTP server type.  If it doesn't show NNTP I think you need to 
start over and add a new account.


Funny, I can't pull up a way to add an email account.  When I pull up "add 
account" it is only for NNTP servers.  Go figure!


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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote on 04-06-17 18:35:
On 6/4/17 at 11:21 AM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up 
this

point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP 
server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via 
the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) 
server

without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP 
server

provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means 
from

SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. 
sending

an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though. I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp 
servers

and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. 
There I read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News 
Server). Do you get something different?

Larry S.
Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on 
Server Settings."

I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?



Ascreen shot would be really helpful.


Here it is showing the SMTP parameter to be entered for the 
news.mozilla.org account:

http://www.cjoint.com/c/GFevxtU0e0s
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ed Mullen]

On 6/4/17 at 11:21 AM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with great 
aplomb:

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the 
same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) 
server

without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There 
I read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News 
Server). Do you get something different?

Larry S.
Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server 
Settings."

I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?



Ascreen shot would be really helpful.


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Ray_Net wrote on 6/4/2017 11:21 AM:

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.

You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".

When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There I
read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News Server). Do
you get something different?
Larry S.

Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server
Settings."
I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?


I don't see this screen.  What exactly are you doing to get this display?  I 
think Larry is saying you right click on the server line in the folder list 
and then select "Settings...".


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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 16:50:

On 2017-06-04 4:43 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated 
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.


I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access 
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options 
for this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp 
servers and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".


That's exclusively for the "Reply To Sender Only" function.

Ha ha ... OK  So when I post a message on a newsgroup my SMTP server 
is not called 

I this is true, I understand now the OP at 100%.
Sorry for my little slow brain :-)
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 04-06-17 16:05:

Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server.
Mail is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP
server). Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via
the same server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP
(newsgroup) server without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able
to send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP
server ?


Setup Mail & Newsgroups with just a Newsgroup account. Like I just did.

Subscribe to newsgroups.

Compose a message, click Send.
OK, Chris Ilias gives me the full information about my SMTP setting of 
my newsgroup account.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Larry S. wrote on 04-06-17 15:43:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the 
same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) 
server

without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe 
them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There 
I read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News 
Server). Do you get something different?

Larry S.
Yes ... BUT whne you say: "and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server 
Settings."

I don't click ..I just look at the rigth side where I read:
- Account name
- Default identity infos
- Signature options
- option to attach my vCard to messages
- AND - this: Outgoing Server (SMTP) : with my smtp server.
Then a button "Manage Identities..."
then 3 buttons: "OK"- "Cancel" and "Help"

So I have a place to put the SMTP-Server and I cannot remove this.
Do you get something different ?

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Re: New user - with questions

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-06-04 4:43 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated 
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.


I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access 
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for 
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers 
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".


That's exclusively for the "Reply To Sender Only" function.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Arnie Goetchius]

Larry S. wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:
>>> On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
 rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:
> Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:
>> mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:
>>
>>> It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
>>> point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
>>> server. Mail
>>> is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
>>> Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
>>> server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
>>> without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.
>>
>> Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
>> able to
>> send a post and not able to send a mail.
>> Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
>> provided by my ISP.
>> How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
>> SMTP server ?
>
> By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
> which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
> SMTP which is implemented on email servers.
>
> I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
> an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
> don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
> if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
> message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
> converts between SMTP and NNTP.
>
> Is that any more clear?

 Yes and no :-)
 In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
 news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?
>>>
>>> Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
>>> that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.
>>>
>>> You asked how:
>>> 1. Go to a newsgroup.
>>> 2. Click "Compose".
>>> 3. Type your message, and click Send.
>>> That's how. :)
>>>
>>> You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
>>> newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
>>> sending a post to mozilla.test.
>>>
>>>
>> I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
>> news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
>> this account.
>> I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
>> and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
> When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account Settings 
> and under
> news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There I read "news.mozilla.org" 
> (under the heading
> Server Type: News Server). Do you get something different?
> Larry S.
That is what I have using Port 119. Also have a separate one for 
news.eternal-september.org. Neither
are using SMTP
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Re: New user - with questions

[WaltS48]

Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server.
Mail is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP
server). Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via
the same server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP
(newsgroup) server without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able
to send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP
server ?


Setup Mail & Newsgroups with just a Newsgroup account. Like I just did.

Subscribe to newsgroups.

Compose a message, click Send.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Larry S.]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same
server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was
able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.

I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that
converts between SMTP and NNTP.

Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.

You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".
When reading your posting, I go to Edit>Mail and News Groups Account 
Settings and under news.mozilla.org I click on Server Settings. There I 
read "news.mozilla.org" (under the heading Server Type: News Server). Do 
you get something different?

Larry S.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

Chris Ilias wrote on 04-06-17 01:37:

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same 
server. Mail

is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was 
able to

send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an 
SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol 
which is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from 
SMTP which is implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending 
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I 
don't know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know 
if this requires a special email program that actually sends the 
message by NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that 
converts between SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to 
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated 
that newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.



I finally believed them, but MY news-group account to access 
news.mozilla.org have my ISP smtp server written in the SM options for 
this account.
I just look at that option and the only choices are all my smtp servers 
and "Use Default Server" there is no "No SMTP server".

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Re: New user - with questions

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-06-03 4:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. 
Mail

is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was 
able to

send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP 
server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol which 
is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from SMTP 
which is implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending 
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I don't 
know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know if this 
requires a special email program that actually sends the message by 
NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that converts between 
SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to 
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?


Both mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com and rickman have stated that 
newsgroups don't use SMTP. I'm not sure why you don't believe them.


You asked how:
1. Go to a newsgroup.
2. Click "Compose".
3. Type your message, and click Send.
That's how. :)

You can test it by creating a new SeaMonkey profile, and creating a 
newsgroups account for news.mozilla.org with no SMTP server, then 
sending a post to mozilla.test.



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Re: New user - with questions

[Richard Alan]

Ray_Net wrote:

> In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to
> news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?

Easy peasy.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/creating-newsgroup-account

Email (and SMTP) is NOT needed. It's the same for both SeaMonkey and 
Thunderbird.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

rickman wrote on 03-06-17 17:42:

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. 
Mail

is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.

Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was 
able to

send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP 
server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol which 
is implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from SMTP 
which is implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending 
an email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I don't 
know if you can read messages by email though.  I don't know if this 
requires a special email program that actually sends the message by 
NNTP or if email has to be addressed to a server that converts between 
SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?


Yes and no :-)
In fact, I will be interested to know HOW TO post here to 
news.mozilla.org by using SeaMonkey without using any SMTP server ?

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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Ray_Net wrote on 6/3/2017 11:26 AM:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. Mail
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server).
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able to
send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP server ?


By definition newsgroups are accessed through the NNTP protocol which is 
implemented on news servers.  That is a separate means from SMTP which is 
implemented on email servers.


I know newsgroups can be posted to using email clients, i.e. sending an 
email because I did this when I started using newsgroups.  I don't know if 
you can read messages by email though.  I don't know if this requires a 
special email program that actually sends the message by NNTP or if email 
has to be addressed to a server that converts between SMTP and NNTP.


Is that any more clear?

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 03-06-17 15:32:

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this 
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. 
Mail is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP 
server). Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via 
the same server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP 
(newsgroup) server without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


Nice to know that. Thanks. Now I better understand why the OP was able 
to send a post and not able to send a mail.
Here to post this message to news.mozilla.org I used the SMTP server 
provided by my ISP.
How is it possible to post to news.mozilla.org without using an SMTP 
server ?

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Re: New user - with questions

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Ray_Net wrote:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.


It looks like Joe has solved the problem, but just to clear up this 
point... mail and newsgroup posts are not sent via the same server. Mail 
is sent to an SMTP server (and received via a POP or IMAP server). 
Newsgroup posts are sent to an NNTP server (and received via the same 
server). It's entirely possible to post to an NNTP (newsgroup) server 
without a working SMTP (outbound mail) server.


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Re: New user - with questions

[EE]

rickman wrote:

Daniel wrote on 6/2/2017 1:07 AM:

On 2/06/2017 11:45 AM, rickman wrote:

EE wrote on 5/27/2017 1:27 PM:

rickman wrote:





When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the
post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code
to my
userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The
first
line in that file has to be the namespace line.

/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);
 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button



{
   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


I looked for this file and can't even find the chrome directory.  It is
not under the Mozilla folder.  I found userChrome.css under a
Thunderbird directory, but they say not to use that one.


Rickman, userChrome.css if a text file that tells SeaMonkey specific
stuff
that you want to do. Natively, SM does not have a userChrome.css file,
but
you should find a userChrome-example.css file. Just rename it to
userChrome.css, add the css that you want a start SM, and you should
be on
your way!

Hope this helps.



Yes, I was able to find it, made the suggested edits and that seems to
work.  Thanks.

But this seems to be a rather blunt instrument.  It would appear to be
adjusting the thickness of the font strokes and only indirectly the
size. Using the suggested 15px makes the text both larger but also
bolder so that it is hard to distinguish from bold text.  Changing the
value to 14px made the type the same size it had originally been, but
still very bold.  Smaller values don't reduce the size further, but make
the text less bold until 12px which appears to be the size used without
this file.

Anyone know if there is a way to make the text slightly larger without
making it bolder?

Use a different font.  Trebuchet is slightly bolder than other fonts, 
which makes it easier to read for me.  You could use Arial or Helvetica 
instead.


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Re: New user - with questions

[EE]

rickman wrote:

EE wrote on 5/27/2017 1:27 PM:

rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and
have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I
have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client
that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a
solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a
password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot
sent email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also
a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the
newsreader function of SeaMonkey.

Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the
address and email it to myself.



2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the
email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting
problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of
text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code to my
userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The
first
line in that file has to be the namespace line.

/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);
 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button
{
   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


I looked for this file and can't even find the chrome directory.  It is
not under the Mozilla folder.  I found userChrome.css under a
Thunderbird directory, but they say not to use that one.

You need to create the chrome subdirectory in the profile.  Did you read 
the Mozillazine article?  Whatever goes into that directory is what you 
put into it, and I just mentioned what to put into it.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Luis]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

rickman wrote:


Yes, I was able to find it, made the suggested edits and that seems
to work.  Thanks.

But this seems to be a rather blunt instrument.  It would appear to
be adjusting the thickness of the font strokes and only indirectly
the size. Using the suggested 15px makes the text both larger but
also bolder so that it is hard to distinguish from bold text.
Changing the value to 14px made the type the same size it had
originally been, but still very bold.  Smaller values don't reduce
the size further, but make the text less bold until 12px which
appears to be the size used without this file.


The reason for this is that images on a computer screen are actually 
just sets of pixels arranged in ways that make sense. Each pixel in a 
black-and-white image must either be on (black) or off (white). So if 
your program sends an image with a line that's in between say, two 
pixels wide and three pixels wide, the display cannot show it 
two-and-a-half pixels wide, it has to choose two or three.


There are ways around this -- you can fake it by making borderline 
pixels gray on a color monitor; JPEGs do this. But my point was that the 
fonts look "bold" because the lines are slightly thicker than they would 
theoretically be on a monitor with infinitesimally tiny pixels. It's a 
display problem, not a SeaMonkey problem.



Anyone know if there is a way to make the text slightly larger
without making it bolder?


As a practical matter, if you're viewing a web page and the print is not 
the size you like, do CTRL-+ to increase it, CTRL-- to decrease it, and 
CTRL-0 to return to the default size. SeaMonkey normally zooms the 
entire page uniformly, but you can set it to zoom only the text and not 
the other elements at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content by 
checking the box, "Zoom only text instead of full pages."


Another place you can look is at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | 
Fonts. For each encoding (Western, Unicode, etc. in the pull-down list 
at top), you can set a minimum size. This is helpful for humans, but 
some designers hard-code the sizes of dialog boxes and other display 
elements, and you may find that large print in such boxes is not all 
visible. For such cases, you have to temporarily disable the minimum 
size setting, allowing the print to be tiny enough to fit.


It would be great to have an icon or shortcut to select either text only 
or pics only resizing.

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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 6/2/2017 11:58 AM:

rickman wrote:


Yes, I was able to find it, made the suggested edits and that seems
to work.  Thanks.

But this seems to be a rather blunt instrument.  It would appear to
be adjusting the thickness of the font strokes and only indirectly
the size. Using the suggested 15px makes the text both larger but
also bolder so that it is hard to distinguish from bold text.
Changing the value to 14px made the type the same size it had
originally been, but still very bold.  Smaller values don't reduce
the size further, but make the text less bold until 12px which
appears to be the size used without this file.


The reason for this is that images on a computer screen are actually just
sets of pixels arranged in ways that make sense. Each pixel in a
black-and-white image must either be on (black) or off (white). So if your
program sends an image with a line that's in between say, two pixels wide
and three pixels wide, the display cannot show it two-and-a-half pixels
wide, it has to choose two or three.

There are ways around this -- you can fake it by making borderline pixels
gray on a color monitor; JPEGs do this. But my point was that the fonts look
"bold" because the lines are slightly thicker than they would theoretically
be on a monitor with infinitesimally tiny pixels. It's a display problem,
not a SeaMonkey problem.


I don't follow your post.  You start off saying font strokes can only be 
integer numbers of pixels wide, then you backtrack explaining how 
anti-aliasing is used to provide non-integer values, then you blame the font 
limitations on the display.


*All* modern font rendering uses anti-aliasing to prevent the text from 
looking grainy.  This also allows font stroke widths to be non-integer 
pixels.  Just look at any other application on the computer and you won't 
find this problem.  I can select a wide range of font sizes in a document 
app and it will look perfect.  The browser in SeaMonkey lets me change font 
size smoothly and without distorting the boldness.  Heck, even the window I 
am typing this in allows me to change the font size smoothly and without a 
*lot* of distortion although it's not as even as the browser, it is 
certainly better than the control we are discussing.




Anyone know if there is a way to make the text slightly larger
without making it bolder?


As a practical matter, if you're viewing a web page and the print is not the
size you like, do CTRL-+ to increase it, CTRL-- to decrease it, and CTRL-0
to return to the default size. SeaMonkey normally zooms the entire page
uniformly, but you can set it to zoom only the text and not the other
elements at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content by checking the box,
"Zoom only text instead of full pages."


You haven't read this thread from the beginning.  The text being adjusted is 
not on a web page.  The text is in the newsreader and is everything that 
isn't in a post or composition.




Another place you can look is at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts.
For each encoding (Western, Unicode, etc. in the pull-down list at top), you
can set a minimum size. This is helpful for humans, but some designers
hard-code the sizes of dialog boxes and other display elements, and you may
find that large print in such boxes is not all visible. For such cases, you
have to temporarily disable the minimum size setting, allowing the print to
be tiny enough to fit.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Paul B. Gallagher]

rickman wrote:


Yes, I was able to find it, made the suggested edits and that seems
to work.  Thanks.

But this seems to be a rather blunt instrument.  It would appear to
be adjusting the thickness of the font strokes and only indirectly
the size. Using the suggested 15px makes the text both larger but
also bolder so that it is hard to distinguish from bold text.
Changing the value to 14px made the type the same size it had
originally been, but still very bold.  Smaller values don't reduce
the size further, but make the text less bold until 12px which
appears to be the size used without this file.


The reason for this is that images on a computer screen are actually 
just sets of pixels arranged in ways that make sense. Each pixel in a 
black-and-white image must either be on (black) or off (white). So if 
your program sends an image with a line that's in between say, two 
pixels wide and three pixels wide, the display cannot show it 
two-and-a-half pixels wide, it has to choose two or three.


There are ways around this -- you can fake it by making borderline 
pixels gray on a color monitor; JPEGs do this. But my point was that the 
fonts look "bold" because the lines are slightly thicker than they would 
theoretically be on a monitor with infinitesimally tiny pixels. It's a 
display problem, not a SeaMonkey problem.



Anyone know if there is a way to make the text slightly larger
without making it bolder?


As a practical matter, if you're viewing a web page and the print is not 
the size you like, do CTRL-+ to increase it, CTRL-- to decrease it, and 
CTRL-0 to return to the default size. SeaMonkey normally zooms the 
entire page uniformly, but you can set it to zoom only the text and not 
the other elements at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content by 
checking the box, "Zoom only text instead of full pages."


Another place you can look is at Edit | Preferences | Appearance | 
Fonts. For each encoding (Western, Unicode, etc. in the pull-down list 
at top), you can set a minimum size. This is helpful for humans, but 
some designers hard-code the sizes of dialog boxes and other display 
elements, and you may find that large print in such boxes is not all 
visible. For such cases, you have to temporarily disable the minimum 
size setting, allowing the print to be tiny enough to fit.


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Daniel wrote on 6/2/2017 1:07 AM:

On 2/06/2017 11:45 AM, rickman wrote:

EE wrote on 5/27/2017 1:27 PM:

rickman wrote:





When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code to my
userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The
first
line in that file has to be the namespace line.

/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);
 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button


{
   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


I looked for this file and can't even find the chrome directory.  It is
not under the Mozilla folder.  I found userChrome.css under a
Thunderbird directory, but they say not to use that one.


Rickman, userChrome.css if a text file that tells SeaMonkey specific stuff
that you want to do. Natively, SM does not have a userChrome.css file, but
you should find a userChrome-example.css file. Just rename it to
userChrome.css, add the css that you want a start SM, and you should be on
your way!

Hope this helps.



Yes, I was able to find it, made the suggested edits and that seems to work. 
 Thanks.


But this seems to be a rather blunt instrument.  It would appear to be 
adjusting the thickness of the font strokes and only indirectly the size. 
Using the suggested 15px makes the text both larger but also bolder so that 
it is hard to distinguish from bold text.  Changing the value to 14px made 
the type the same size it had originally been, but still very bold.  Smaller 
values don't reduce the size further, but make the text less bold until 12px 
which appears to be the size used without this file.


Anyone know if there is a way to make the text slightly larger without 
making it bolder?


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Re: New user - with questions

[Daniel]

On 2/06/2017 11:45 AM, rickman wrote:

EE wrote on 5/27/2017 1:27 PM:

rickman wrote:





When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code to my
userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The
first
line in that file has to be the namespace line.

/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);
 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button

{
   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


I looked for this file and can't even find the chrome directory.  It is
not under the Mozilla folder.  I found userChrome.css under a
Thunderbird directory, but they say not to use that one.

Rickman, userChrome.css if a text file that tells SeaMonkey specific 
stuff that you want to do. Natively, SM does not have a userChrome.css 
file, but you should find a userChrome-example.css file. Just rename it 
to userChrome.css, add the css that you want a start SM, and you should 
be on your way!


Hope this helps.

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SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

EE wrote on 5/27/2017 1:27 PM:

rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and
have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I
have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client
that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a
solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a
password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot
sent email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also
a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the
newsreader function of SeaMonkey.

Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the
address and email it to myself.



2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the
email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting
problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of
text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code to my
userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The first
line in that file has to be the namespace line.

/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);
 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button
{
   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


I looked for this file and can't even find the chrome directory.  It is not 
under the Mozilla folder.  I found userChrome.css under a Thunderbird 
directory, but they say not to use that one.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish the 
necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to set a 
newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn

Hello Joe,
Could you explain why my answer/question is wrong ?
I repeat the answer/question about your SMTP problem for a mail:

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as 
for your SM newsgroup account...

... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.
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Re: New user - with questions - JT

[Ray_Net]

jtay...@ec.rr.com wrote on 30-05-17 00:06:

Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5,
and have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but
I have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email
client that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that
there is a solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able
to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as 
the

SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish
the necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to
set a newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.

Trying to set up this group on a new computer.   JimT
I have replied to Joe Gwinn .. Who say that he can sent a mail to the 
newsgroup and not  a real mail to his friends ... (for me this is 
impossible ... except if he don't use the same smtp server for the 
outgoing messages(post or mail))
What are you talking about setup a group ? (I never setup a group, I 
setup a newsgroup account pointing to a newsgroup server).

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Re: New user - with questions - JT

[jtaylor]

Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5,
and have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but
I have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email
client that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that
there is a solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able
to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish
the necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to
set a newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn

If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as
for your SM newsgroup account...
... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.

Trying to set up this group on a new computer.   JimT
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 29-05-17 19:03:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish the 
necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to set a 
newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

Joe Gwinn
If the "Outgoing SMTP server" for your SM mail account is the same as 
for your SM newsgroup account...

... you can post a newsgroup message as well you can send a mail.
I don't see why it should be different.
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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:
> >>
> >> WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ? Normally
> >> ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the SMTP
> >> parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...
> >>
> >> If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.
> >
> > It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does
> > publish the necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior
> > attempts to set a newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's
> > different.
> 
> Have you tried what I suggested two days ago in this thread at 7:03 PM 
> US EDT?

Not yet as I did research, and it's now OBE - see other postiong, where the 
SMTP problem is solved.

Joe Gwinn

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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:16:23 PM UTC-4, joeg...@comcast.net wrote:
> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> 
> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this 
> case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be 
> that lucky in the future.


I figured this one out today.  I had tried Thunderbird some time ago, and had 
not had such problems, so I looked at tbird's preferences - it was using port 
465 for SMTP upload, not 587 (that I had in my notes, probably from some prior 
anti-spam "fix", now forgotten).  With 465, Seamonkey now it works, and I get 
the copy to myself as well.

I will summarize the correct settings in a notebook - setup data is currently 
scattered about in prior notes.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Paul B. Gallagher]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:


WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ? Normally
ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the SMTP
parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...

If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.


It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does
publish the necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior
attempts to set a newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's
different.


Have you tried what I suggested two days ago in this thread at 7:03 PM 
US EDT?


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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-4, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:
> >> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and 
> >>> have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I 
> >>> have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that 
> >>> cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a 
> >>> solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a 
> >>> password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.
> >>
> >>
> >> What is your ISP? Comcast?
> >>
> >> What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?
> > 
> > smtp.comcast.net  -- Seamonkey does appear to be communing with this 
> > server, but never complains or completes.  
> > 
> > The port is 587.  This is known to work from other newsreaders running on 
> > the present computer.
> > 
> > 
> >> See:  or contact your ISP for 
> >> the proper settings.
> > 
> > I do use COMCAST, and I went to their website on how to do this.  I have 
> > done this many times, with success.  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >> You don't get a password prompt asking for the password and allowing you 
> >> to save it in SeaMonkey's password manager?
> > 
> > No prompt.  Nor does there seem to be any way just add the data to the 
> > Passwords file.
> > 
> > 
> >>> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot 
> >>> sent email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you using Google Groups to post messages, or subscribed to this 
> >> group on news.mozilla.org?
> >>
> >> Not able to send replies to the mailing list, or another person? It is 
> >> better to reply to the list or newsgroup.
> > 
> > I'm not actually sure how I got here, as I did it via Seamonkey's live 
> > link..  Is there a problem?  I can come in some other way.
> > 
> > 
> >>> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the 
> >>> email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting 
> >>> problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The key combination Ctrl+Shift+J should bring up the Error Console, 
> >> which may have error messages related to why your attempts never complete..
> > 
> > I did look at the error console, but saw no NNTP or SMTP protocol 
> > chit-chat..  Here is an example:
> > 
> > Timestamp: 5/27/17, 6:25:26 PM
> > Warning: Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element ‘-webkit-scrollbar-thumb’.  
> > Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.
> > Source File: 
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/resources/4176867222-native-picker-css.css
> > Line: 2, Column: 15682
> > Source Code:
> > ..picker-framepane-root{position:absolute;width:100%;height:100%}* 
> > .picker-framepane-root{overflow:hidden}.picker-framepane-content{position:absolute;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;overflow:hidden}*
> >  html 
> > .picker-framepane-content{position:relative;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;width:100%;height:100%}.picker-framepane-top,.picker-framepane-bottom{position:absolute;left:0;right:0}*
> >  html .picker-framepane-top,* html
> > .picker-frame{width:100%;height:100%;border:0;overflow:hidden}.picker-upload-button-visible
> >  .picker-drag-drop-supported 
> > .picker-photos-upload-dropzone-cell{vertical-align:middle}.picker-photos-upload-dropzone
> >  td{text-align:center}.picker .progress-bar-thumb{background-color:#5d80ef}
> > 
> > 
> >>> 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of 
> >>> messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text 
> >>> in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to 
> >>> use an a large high-resolution display.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Chris provided the instructions for creating a userChrome.css file. This 
> >> may also help 
> >> 
> > 
> > I did look into this, and I'll try it, but really should an ordinary user 
> > be futzing with css modules and the like?  I was a programmer some decades 
> > ago, and this sounds like one mistake will destroy the World.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> While this for Thuderbird it also works for Seamonkey:
> 

Thanks.  I'll try this.

Joe Gwinn

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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:01:44 AM UTC-4, Ray_Net wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:
> > I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> > gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >
> > 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> > not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> > post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
> > this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
> > be that lucky in the future.
> >
> >
> WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
> Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the 
> SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...
> 
> If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.

It's COMCAST, as stated in the parallel replies.  Comcast does publish the 
necessary details, and I have succeeded on all prior attempts to set a 
newsreader up, until Seamonkey.  Don't know what's different.

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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 3:13:56 AM UTC-4, Mason83 wrote:
> On 27/05/2017 01:16, joegwinn wrote:
> 
> > 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the
> > email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting
> > problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_logging_for_mail/news
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Connection_errors_-_SMTP
> 
> I thought I remembered someone posting instructions to get TB/SM
> to print protocol-related info to one of the consoles... but I
> couldn't find them.

Thanks.  I'll try this.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 27-05-17 01:16:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



WHAT is your ISP giving you access to his SMTP server ?
Normally ISP published on their site all the details need to use as the 
SMTP parameters to be set to SeaMonkey ...


If you don't give us those informations .. nobody can help you.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Mason83]

On 27/05/2017 01:16, joegwinn wrote:

> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the
> email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting
> problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_logging_for_mail/news
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Connection_errors_-_SMTP

I thought I remembered someone posting instructions to get TB/SM
to print protocol-related info to one of the consoles... but I
couldn't find them.

Regards.
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Re: New user - with questions

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-05-27 12:15 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 9:10:32 PM UTC-4, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-05-26 7:16 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.


When you attempt to send a message, SeaMonkey will prompt you for the
password. There will be a checkbox to remember that password. It's the
same password manager used in the browser.


It isn't happening.


Could you tell us what is happening? When you try to send a message what 
do you see? Any error messages? If so, what do they say?


As other have also requested, what are your server settings?


Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


To send an email reply, control-click on the message, and select "Reply
to Sender Only". There's also a small arrow beside the Reply toolbar
icon, that will let you choose whether to reply in the newsgroup or to
the sender only.

To save a copy of a newsgroup article, you can either:
* drag the message to any mail folder
* control-click on the message and select "Copy To"
* On the menu bar, go to the Message menu and select "Copy To"
* Add the "File" toolbar icon to the toolbar, and click on it to copy
the message to a folder.


Solves the wrong problem.  I want a method to automatically save copies of 
everything I post.  Any method that requires me to unfailingly remember to do 
something is doomed.



1. Go to Edit-->Mail_&_Newsgroups_Account_Settings.
2. Select the newsgroups account you want to edit.
3. Within it, select the Copies_&_Folders panel.
4. Under "When sending messages" there should already be a check mark 
beside "Automatically place a copy in". Underneath, you can change the 
folder that copies are filed in.



3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


Try the instructions at .
I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.


I'll try this.  As I mentioned in a separate email, Zoom only affects the 
message bodies, and not icons, list entries, et al, defeating the purpose of 
Zoom.


Tell us how it goes.

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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 5/28/2017 11:38 AM:

Fri, 26 May 2017 21:31:19 -0400, /rickman/:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 5/26/2017 8:51 PM:

rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size
of text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the
post subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting
serious eyestrain.


On my Windows system, that's a function of the operating system.
Right-click an empty area of the desktop, choose "Properties" (Win7:
"Personalize"), and you can configure the font sizes of menu items in
all programs at once.


I've already set that for Windows.  This program behaves differently from
other apps including *T-Bird* which shares a common code base but not the
details of the look.


On your system (which OS?), is this peculiar to SeaMonkey, or are all
menu items in all programs equally hard to read? If it's a global issue,
it needs a global solution; it makes no sense to customize every program
separately.


There are some apps which are not coded to work with the Windows setting.
So they are still very small.  Eudora is one.  It is a program that has
not had any updates for over 15 years.


SeaMonkey does use the "message-box" system font in its UI:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/font#Syntax
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/font#message-box
chrome://global/skin/global.css

window,
page,
dialog,
wizard,
prefwindow {
  -moz-appearance: window;
  background-color: -moz-Dialog;
  color: -moz-DialogText;
  font: message-box;
}

Unfortunately there's no obvious way to customize that using Windows 10 😞,
for example.


Thanks for that info.

Any idea why the appearance of the group and message panes are so different 
from T-bird?  I'm not sure if the fonts are different, but the text lines 
are certainly more crowded together and harder to read.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey]

Fri, 26 May 2017 21:31:19 -0400, /rickman/:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 5/26/2017 8:51 PM:

rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size
of text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the
post subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting
serious eyestrain.


On my Windows system, that's a function of the operating system.
Right-click an empty area of the desktop, choose "Properties" (Win7:
"Personalize"), and you can configure the font sizes of menu items in
all programs at once.


I've already set that for Windows.  This program behaves differently 
from other apps including *T-Bird* which shares a common code base but 
not the details of the look.



On your system (which OS?), is this peculiar to SeaMonkey, or are all
menu items in all programs equally hard to read? If it's a global issue,
it needs a global solution; it makes no sense to customize every program
separately.


There are some apps which are not coded to work with the Windows 
setting.  So they are still very small.  Eudora is one.  It is a program 
that has not had any updates for over 15 years.


SeaMonkey does use the "message-box" system font in its UI:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/font#Syntax
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/font#message-box
chrome://global/skin/global.css

window,
page,
dialog,
wizard,
prefwindow {
  -moz-appearance: window;
  background-color: -moz-Dialog;
  color: -moz-DialogText;
  font: message-box;
}

Unfortunately there's no obvious way to customize that using Windows 10 
😞, for example.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Arnie Goetchius]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:
>> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
>>> gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
>>>
>>> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
>>> not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
>>> post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
>>> this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
>>> be that lucky in the future.
>>
>>
>> What is your ISP? Comcast?
>>
>> What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?
> 
> smtp.comcast.net  -- Seamonkey does appear to be communing with this server, 
> but never complains or completes.  
> 
> The port is 587.  This is known to work from other newsreaders running on the 
> present computer.
> 
> 
>> See:  or contact your ISP for 
>> the proper settings.
> 
> I do use COMCAST, and I went to their website on how to do this.  I have done 
> this many times, with success.  
> 
> 
>  
>> You don't get a password prompt asking for the password and allowing you 
>> to save it in SeaMonkey's password manager?
> 
> No prompt.  Nor does there seem to be any way just add the data to the 
> Passwords file.
> 
> 
>>> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
>>> email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
>>>
>>
>> Are you using Google Groups to post messages, or subscribed to this 
>> group on news.mozilla.org?
>>
>> Not able to send replies to the mailing list, or another person? It is 
>> better to reply to the list or newsgroup.
> 
> I'm not actually sure how I got here, as I did it via Seamonkey's live link.. 
>  Is there a problem?  I can come in some other way.
> 
> 
>>> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
>>> and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like 
>>> why my attempts to sent email never complete.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The key combination Ctrl+Shift+J should bring up the Error Console, 
>> which may have error messages related to why your attempts never complete..
> 
> I did look at the error console, but saw no NNTP or SMTP protocol chit-chat.. 
>  Here is an example:
> 
> Timestamp: 5/27/17, 6:25:26 PM
> Warning: Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element ‘-webkit-scrollbar-thumb’.  
> Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.
> Source File: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/resources/4176867222-native-picker-css.css
> Line: 2, Column: 15682
> Source Code:
> ..picker-framepane-root{position:absolute;width:100%;height:100%}* 
> .picker-framepane-root{overflow:hidden}.picker-framepane-content{position:absolute;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;overflow:hidden}*
>  html 
> .picker-framepane-content{position:relative;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;width:100%;height:100%}.picker-framepane-top,.picker-framepane-bottom{position:absolute;left:0;right:0}*
>  html .picker-framepane-top,* html
> .picker-frame{width:100%;height:100%;border:0;overflow:hidden}.picker-upload-button-visible
>  .picker-drag-drop-supported 
> .picker-photos-upload-dropzone-cell{vertical-align:middle}.picker-photos-upload-dropzone
>  td{text-align:center}.picker .progress-bar-thumb{background-color:#5d80ef}
> 
> 
>>> 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
>>> and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such 
>>> things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a 
>>> large high-resolution display.
>>>
>>
>> Chris provided the instructions for creating a userChrome.css file. This 
>> may also help 
>> 
> 
> I did look into this, and I'll try it, but really should an ordinary user be 
> futzing with css modules and the like?  I was a programmer some decades ago, 
> and this sounds like one mistake will destroy the World.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 
While this for Thuderbird it also works for Seamonkey:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-comcast
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Re: New user - with questions

[Ray_Net]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 28-05-17 00:40:

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.


What is your ISP? Comcast?

What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?

smtp.comcast.net  -- Seamonkey does appear to be communing with this server, 
but never complains or completes.

The port is 587.  This is known to work from other newsreaders running on the 
present computer.


You NEVER told us what is your SMTP server  therefore, We cannot 
help you.


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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:48:24 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/27/2017 12:08 PM:
> > On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 8:19:10 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> >> joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:
> >>> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and 
> >>> have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I 
> >>> have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that 
> >>> cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a 
> >>> solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a 
> >>> password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot 
> >>> sent email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> >>
> >> I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also
> >> a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the
> >> newsreader function of SeaMonkey.
> >>
> >> Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the
> >> address and email it to myself.
> 
> You didn't respond to this part.  If your posts show up in the 
> newsreader as posts to the group, do you need to save them separately?
> 
> You can do that using filters.  Filter on posts from you and set the 
> action to copy them to another folder.

It's simpler to keep a copy of what was sent, rather than depending on the 
newsreader to get it wight.  Often, it does not.

A better solution has been posted, in "Copies and Folders".

Thanks,

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[Paul B. Gallagher]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:


On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:


You don't get a password prompt asking for the password and
allowing you to save it in SeaMonkey's password manager?


No prompt.  Nor does there seem to be any way just add the data to
the Passwords file.


OK, try this (assuming you know your SMTP username and password):

Go to  and enter 
"comcast" (no quotation marks) in the search window at upper left. You 
should get a list that includes an entry with the SMTP data. Select and 
delete it.


Rationale: The next time you try to send a message, SM will have no 
userid or password to send to the server, so it will HAVE to prompt you 
for the info. Enter the data and check the box telling SM to remember, 
and that should solve it. If you get it wrong, you should get an 
immediate error message inviting you to try again.


Do be careful to adhere to Comcast's policy as to whether you should 
enter your full email address (joegw...@comcast.net) or just the prefix 
(joegwinn) as your username. Different ISPs have different preferences.


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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> > I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> > gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >
> > 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> > not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> > post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
> > this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
> > be that lucky in the future.
> 
> 
> What is your ISP? Comcast?
> 
> What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?

smtp.comcast.net  -- Seamonkey does appear to be communing with this server, 
but never complains or completes.  

The port is 587.  This is known to work from other newsreaders running on the 
present computer.


> See:  or contact your ISP for 
> the proper settings.

I do use COMCAST, and I went to their website on how to do this.  I have done 
this many times, with success.  


 
> You don't get a password prompt asking for the password and allowing you 
> to save it in SeaMonkey's password manager?

No prompt.  Nor does there seem to be any way just add the data to the 
Passwords file.


> > Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
> > email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> >
> 
> Are you using Google Groups to post messages, or subscribed to this 
> group on news.mozilla.org?
> 
> Not able to send replies to the mailing list, or another person? It is 
> better to reply to the list or newsgroup.

I'm not actually sure how I got here, as I did it via Seamonkey's live link.  
Is there a problem?  I can come in some other way.


> > 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
> > and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like 
> > why my attempts to sent email never complete.
> >
> 
> 
> The key combination Ctrl+Shift+J should bring up the Error Console, 
> which may have error messages related to why your attempts never complete.

I did look at the error console, but saw no NNTP or SMTP protocol chit-chat.  
Here is an example:

Timestamp: 5/27/17, 6:25:26 PM
Warning: Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element ‘-webkit-scrollbar-thumb’.  
Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.
Source File: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/resources/4176867222-native-picker-css.css
Line: 2, Column: 15682
Source Code:
.picker-framepane-root{position:absolute;width:100%;height:100%}* 
.picker-framepane-root{overflow:hidden}.picker-framepane-content{position:absolute;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;overflow:hidden}*
 html 
.picker-framepane-content{position:relative;top:0;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;width:100%;height:100%}.picker-framepane-top,.picker-framepane-bottom{position:absolute;left:0;right:0}*
 html .picker-framepane-top,* html
.picker-frame{width:100%;height:100%;border:0;overflow:hidden}.picker-upload-button-visible
 .picker-drag-drop-supported 
.picker-photos-upload-dropzone-cell{vertical-align:middle}.picker-photos-upload-dropzone
 td{text-align:center}.picker .progress-bar-thumb{background-color:#5d80ef}


> > 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
> > and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such 
> > things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a 
> > large high-resolution display.
> >
> 
> Chris provided the instructions for creating a userChrome.css file. This 
> may also help 
> 

I did look into this, and I'll try it, but really should an ordinary user be 
futzing with css modules and the like?  I was a programmer some decades ago, 
and this sounds like one mistake will destroy the World.

Thanks,

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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-4, EE wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-4, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> >> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and 
> >>> have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >>>
> >>> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I 
> >>> have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that 
> >>> cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a 
> >>> solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a 
> >>> password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.
> >>>
> >>
> >> At the top of the screen, select "Edit"
> >> Select "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings"
> >> Scroll down to the bottom for "Outgoing Server SMTP"
> >> Click "Add" and then add the details for your mail server.
> >>
> >> On mine, I have "Normal Password" selected. The first time I try sending 
> >> an email, it asks for my
> >> password and then saves it so it won't ask for it again. This is somewhat 
> >> of an over simplification
> >> but you can Google Seamonkey Mail Setup for more details.
> >
> > I've tried all this, to no avail.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> You need to set SeaMonkey to save passwords.  Preferences > Privacy & 
> Security > Passwords > check "Remember passwords".  In Account Settings 
>  > Server Settings for an account, check "Always request authentication 
> when connecting to this server".

Didn't help.  No idea why.

Thanks,

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Re: New user - with questions

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Try playing around in about:config with layout.css.devPixelsPerPx

See if 1.5 or 2.0 get you anything. HiDPI support in SeaMonkey is currently 
lacking so icons might not look too nice.


If you experience any gross errors please file a bug. This needs to be solved 
over time.


FRG




3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


Try the instructions at .
I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.


I'll try this.  As I mentioned in a separate email, Zoom only affects the 
message bodies, and not icons, list entries, et al, defeating the purpose of 
Zoom.

Thanks,

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Re: New user - with questions

[EE]

rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and
have gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I
have not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client
that cannot post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a
solution.  In this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a
password, but I won't be that lucky in the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot
sent email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also
a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the
newsreader function of SeaMonkey.

Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the
address and email it to myself.



2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the
email and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting
problems like why my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of
text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.

I got the font to be readable in the whole interface by adding code to 
my userChrome.css file in the profile in the subdirectory "chrome".  The 
first line in that file has to be the namespace line.


/* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct 
functioning */
@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);

 /* set default namespace to XUL */

/* Fonts */
window,page,dialog,menu,wizard,prefwindow,tab,statusbar,toolbar,textbox,button 
{

   font-size: 15px !important;
   font-family: Trebuchet MS !important;
}

More info about userChrome.css here:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css


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Re: New user - with questions

[WaltS48]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



What is your ISP? Comcast?

What are your Outgoing Server (SMTP) settings?

See:  or contact your ISP for 
the proper settings.


You don't get a password prompt asking for the password and allowing you 
to save it in SeaMonkey's password manager?





Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.



Are you using Google Groups to post messages, or subscribed to this 
group on news.mozilla.org?


Not able to send replies to the mailing list, or another person? It is 
better to reply to the list or newsgroup.




2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.




The key combination Ctrl+Shift+J should bring up the Error Console, 
which may have error messages related to why your attempts never complete.




3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.



Chris provided the instructions for creating a userChrome.css file. This 
may also help 



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Re: New user - with questions

[EE]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-4, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.



At the top of the screen, select "Edit"
Select "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings"
Scroll down to the bottom for "Outgoing Server SMTP"
Click "Add" and then add the details for your mail server.

On mine, I have "Normal Password" selected. The first time I try sending an 
email, it asks for my
password and then saves it so it won't ask for it again. This is somewhat of an 
over simplification
but you can Google Seamonkey Mail Setup for more details.


I've tried all this, to no avail.

Joe

You need to set SeaMonkey to save passwords.  Preferences > Privacy & 
Security > Passwords > check "Remember passwords".  In Account Settings 
> Server Settings for an account, check "Always request authentication 
when connecting to this server".



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Re: New user - with questions

[Paul B. Gallagher]

G. Ross wrote:


G. Ross wrote:


Click on Edit> mail & newsgroup account settings > (such as)
news.mozilla.org  > copies & folders
Check "automatically place a copy on (select folder).  Mine are saved
in Local Folders.  They are automatically sorted by year sent.


Sorry.  They will NOT be sorted by year.  It is Archived messages that
are sorted by year automatically.


Messages in any mail folder will be sorted by the sort parameters set 
for all folders. In my case, I sort ascending by date (newest at 
bottom), and all folders honor that choice. The OP can choose whatever 
he likes by clicking the column heading in any message folder. Clicking 
the same column heading again toggles the order (ascending/descending).


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/27/2017 12:08 PM:

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 8:19:10 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also
a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the
newsreader function of SeaMonkey.

Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the
address and email it to myself.


You didn't respond to this part.  If your posts show up in the 
newsreader as posts to the group, do you need to save them separately?


You can do that using filters.  Filter on posts from you and set the 
action to copy them to another folder.




2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious
eyestrain.


I've not succeeded.  Not even Zoom works.  Only message content listens to zoom 
or to font changes. It would appear that the developers of Seamonkey are 
unclear on the concept of Zoom - it's not supposed to be selective.

Joe




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Re: New user - with questions

[G. Ross]

G. Ross wrote:

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 9:10:32 PM UTC-4, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-05-26 7:16 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
>
> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

When you attempt to send a message, SeaMonkey will prompt you for the
password. There will be a checkbox to remember that password. It's the
same password manager used in the browser.


It isn't happening.



> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.

To send an email reply, control-click on the message, and select "Reply
to Sender Only". There's also a small arrow beside the Reply toolbar
icon, that will let you choose whether to reply in the newsgroup or to
the sender only.

To save a copy of a newsgroup article, you can either:
* drag the message to any mail folder
* control-click on the message and select "Copy To"
* On the menu bar, go to the Message menu and select "Copy To"
* Add the "File" toolbar icon to the toolbar, and click on it to copy
the message to a folder.


Solves the wrong problem.  I want a method to automatically save copies of 
everything I post.  Any method that requires me to unfailingly remember to do 
something is doomed.



Click on Edit> mail & newsgroup account settings > (such as)
news.mozilla.org  > copies & folders
Check "automatically place a copy on (select folder).  Mine are saved
in Local Folders.  They are automatically sorted by year sent.


> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why my 
attempts to sent email never complete.


I think there is, but I can't find the preference right now. Hoping
someone else can look it up. :)


> 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.

Try the instructions at .
I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.


I'll try this.  As I mentioned in a separate email, Zoom only affects the 
message bodies, and not icons, list entries, et al, defeating the purpose of 
Zoom.

Thanks,

Joe




Sorry.  They will NOT be sorted by year.  It is Archived messages that 
are sorted by year automatically.


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Re: New user - with questions

[G. Ross]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 9:10:32 PM UTC-4, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-05-26 7:16 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
>
> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

When you attempt to send a message, SeaMonkey will prompt you for the
password. There will be a checkbox to remember that password. It's the
same password manager used in the browser.


It isn't happening.



> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.

To send an email reply, control-click on the message, and select "Reply
to Sender Only". There's also a small arrow beside the Reply toolbar
icon, that will let you choose whether to reply in the newsgroup or to
the sender only.

To save a copy of a newsgroup article, you can either:
* drag the message to any mail folder
* control-click on the message and select "Copy To"
* On the menu bar, go to the Message menu and select "Copy To"
* Add the "File" toolbar icon to the toolbar, and click on it to copy
the message to a folder.


Solves the wrong problem.  I want a method to automatically save copies of 
everything I post.  Any method that requires me to unfailingly remember to do 
something is doomed.


Click on Edit> mail & newsgroup account settings > (such as) 
news.mozilla.org  > copies & folders
Check "automatically place a copy on (select folder).  Mine are saved 
in Local Folders.  They are automatically sorted by year sent.



> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why my 
attempts to sent email never complete.


I think there is, but I can't find the preference right now. Hoping
someone else can look it up. :)


> 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.

Try the instructions at .
I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.


I'll try this.  As I mentioned in a separate email, Zoom only affects the 
message bodies, and not icons, list entries, et al, defeating the purpose of 
Zoom.

Thanks,

Joe




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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 9:10:32 PM UTC-4, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 2017-05-26 7:16 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> > I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> > gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> > 
> > 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> > not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> > post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
> > this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
> > be that lucky in the future.
> 
> When you attempt to send a message, SeaMonkey will prompt you for the 
> password. There will be a checkbox to remember that password. It's the 
> same password manager used in the browser.

It isn't happening.

 
> > Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
> > email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> 
> To send an email reply, control-click on the message, and select "Reply 
> to Sender Only". There's also a small arrow beside the Reply toolbar 
> icon, that will let you choose whether to reply in the newsgroup or to 
> the sender only.
> 
> To save a copy of a newsgroup article, you can either:
> * drag the message to any mail folder
> * control-click on the message and select "Copy To"
> * On the menu bar, go to the Message menu and select "Copy To"
> * Add the "File" toolbar icon to the toolbar, and click on it to copy 
> the message to a folder.

Solves the wrong problem.  I want a method to automatically save copies of 
everything I post.  Any method that requires me to unfailingly remember to do 
something is doomed.


> > 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
> > and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like 
> > why my attempts to sent email never complete.
> 
> 
> I think there is, but I can't find the preference right now. Hoping 
> someone else can look it up. :)
> 
> 
> > 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
> > and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such 
> > things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a 
> > large high-resolution display.
> 
> Try the instructions at .
> I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.

I'll try this.  As I mentioned in a separate email, Zoom only affects the 
message bodies, and not icons, list entries, et al, defeating the purpose of 
Zoom.

Thanks,

Joe

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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 8:19:10 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:
> > I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> > gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> >
> > 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> > not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> > post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
> > this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
> > be that lucky in the future.
> >
> > Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
> > email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> 
> I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also 
> a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the 
> newsreader function of SeaMonkey.
> 
> Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the 
> address and email it to myself.
> 
> 
> > 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
> > and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like 
> > why my attempts to sent email never complete.
> >
> >
> > 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
> > and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such 
> > things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a 
> > large high-resolution display.
> 
> When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post 
> subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious 
> eyestrain.

I've not succeeded.  Not even Zoom works.  Only message content listens to zoom 
or to font changes. It would appear that the developers of Seamonkey are 
unclear on the concept of Zoom - it's not supposed to be selective.

Joe
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Re: New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-4, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> > I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> > gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> > 
> > 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> > not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> > post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In 
> > this case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't 
> > be that lucky in the future.
> > 
> 
> At the top of the screen, select "Edit"
> Select "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings"
> Scroll down to the bottom for "Outgoing Server SMTP"
> Click "Add" and then add the details for your mail server.
> 
> On mine, I have "Normal Password" selected. The first time I try sending an 
> email, it asks for my
> password and then saves it so it won't ask for it again. This is somewhat of 
> an over simplification
> but you can Google Seamonkey Mail Setup for more details.

I've tried all this, to no avail.

Joe
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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 5/26/2017 8:51 PM:

rickman wrote:


joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size
of text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the
post subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting
serious eyestrain.


On my Windows system, that's a function of the operating system.
Right-click an empty area of the desktop, choose "Properties" (Win7:
"Personalize"), and you can configure the font sizes of menu items in
all programs at once.


I've already set that for Windows.  This program behaves differently 
from other apps including *T-Bird* which shares a common code base but 
not the details of the look.




On your system (which OS?), is this peculiar to SeaMonkey, or are all
menu items in all programs equally hard to read? If it's a global issue,
it needs a global solution; it makes no sense to customize every program
separately.


There are some apps which are not coded to work with the Windows 
setting.  So they are still very small.  Eudora is one.  It is a program 
that has not had any updates for over 15 years.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-05-26 7:16 PM, joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.


When you attempt to send a message, SeaMonkey will prompt you for the 
password. There will be a checkbox to remember that password. It's the 
same password manager used in the browser.



Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


To send an email reply, control-click on the message, and select "Reply 
to Sender Only". There's also a small arrow beside the Reply toolbar 
icon, that will let you choose whether to reply in the newsgroup or to 
the sender only.


To save a copy of a newsgroup article, you can either:
* drag the message to any mail folder
* control-click on the message and select "Copy To"
* On the menu bar, go to the Message menu and select "Copy To"
* Add the "File" toolbar icon to the toolbar, and click on it to copy 
the message to a folder.




2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.



I think there is, but I can't find the preference right now. Hoping 
someone else can look it up. :)




3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


Try the instructions at .
I haven't tested that in years, so tell me if it doesn't work.

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Re: New user - with questions

[Paul B. Gallagher]

rickman wrote:


joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of
messages and postings, I have not found a way to change the size
of text in such things as the list of messages; this makes SM very
difficult to use an a large high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the
post subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting
serious eyestrain.


On my Windows system, that's a function of the operating system. 
Right-click an empty area of the desktop, choose "Properties" (Win7: 
"Personalize"), and you can configure the font sizes of menu items in 
all programs at once.


On your system (which OS?), is this peculiar to SeaMonkey, or are all 
menu items in all programs equally hard to read? If it's a global issue, 
it needs a global solution; it makes no sense to customize every program 
separately.


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Re: New user - with questions

[G. Ross]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


Thanks,

Joe Gwinn

Can't help you with Mac but on windows there is a selection in the 
control panel named "Display".  In it you can change the display font 
size.  This seems to make the text larger in the areas you mentioned. 
 Until my eye surgery I had to use the largest size but now changed 
it to medium.


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Re: New user - with questions

[rickman]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote on 5/26/2017 7:16 PM:

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


I don't know about saving posts as emails to self, but SeaMonkey is also 
a newsreader.  So all those features should be included in the 
newsreader function of SeaMonkey.


Actually I just checked and I can click "reply to sender" then edit the 
address and email it to myself.




2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


When you figure out that one let me know!  I nearly can't read the post 
subjects or tell when a group has new posts.  I'm getting serious 
eyestrain.


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Re: New user - with questions

[Arnie Goetchius]

joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
> I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
> gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:
> 
> 1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have 
> not figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot 
> post email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this 
> case, I knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be 
> that lucky in the future.
> 

At the top of the screen, select "Edit"
Select "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings"
Scroll down to the bottom for "Outgoing Server SMTP"
Click "Add" and then add the details for your mail server.

On mine, I have "Normal Password" selected. The first time I try sending an 
email, it asks for my
password and then saves it so it won't ask for it again. This is somewhat of an 
over simplification
but you can Google Seamonkey Mail Setup for more details.

> Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
> email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.
> 
> 
> 2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
> and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
> my attempts to sent email never complete.
> 
> 
> 3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages 
> and postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such 
> things as the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a 
> large high-resolution display.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Gwinn
> 

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New user - with questions

[joegwinn]

I just installed SeaMonkey 2.46 on my 27" iMac under MacOS 10.9.5, and have 
gotten SM to mostly work, but there are some problems:

1.  My ISP requires a password to post email to the SMTP server, but I have not 
figured out how to enter such a password.  An email client that cannot post 
email isn't much use, so one assumes that there is a solution.  In this case, I 
knew that I had not been able to enter a password, but I won't be that lucky in 
the future.

Use as a newsgroup reader is also greatly hindered, because one cannot sent 
email replies, or save copies of postings as emails to self.


2.  Is there a log file that records the chit-chat between SM and the email 
and/or news servers.  This is essential for troubleshooting problems like why 
my attempts to sent email never complete.


3.  While I have no problem changing the font size in the body of messages and 
postings, I have not found a way to change the size of text in such things as 
the list of messages; this makes SM very difficult to use an a large 
high-resolution display.


Thanks,

Joe Gwinn
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