Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt?
Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
You house a coydog? All the coydogs ive met have been ill tempered untrustworthy beasts. Is it due to upbringing, or lack of that makes them so? from what i understand about animal personalities is they are similar to humans in how they react to their emotional environment. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half coyote and I almost lost her due to her hunting before I started to feed her raw. Now, she no longer eats what she kills, she brings it to Mom to make sure it is okay before chowing down. On a sustainable farm, trying to establish a sustainable way of life, I feel that the animal feeds should be home grown. I love the change for the better this has caused in my fur family, especially my 10 year old black lab, who is also a rescue. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:57 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: snip I've heard similar stories. Large dogs tend to have a longer life span than small cats, do they not? Seventeen years is a LONG time for an outdoor cat to live. Am I understanding correctly, based upon the outline of your argument, that this constitutes evidence that factory food production for our pets is responsible for the decline in pet longevity? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
No absolutely not. Researchers here at the university colaborate with others all over the world. I am no different. I'll wait till Darryl returns and take his input and advice on how to set up the registry and I'll take input from anyone else who cares to contribute ideas as well. :-) I want it to be an international thing. BTW I agree totally with Keith on this issue of lying low. I already feel like I am sticking my neck out driving around town with a car that has a license plate that says "BIOFUEL" , the URL of my site and bold text that says "powered by vegetable oil" One of my neighbors is a fireman but so far the fire marshall has not asked to visit. There is an old Chinese proverb that says 'walk softly when treading on the tail of a tiger' Quietly growing our numbers, building a mass of evidence on how much better this is for the environment, building a track record of safety, looking for chinks in the armour of the powerful and preparing plans to deal with the knee jerk reactions that will manifest from the fear they have of losing control, are all things we are and should be doing on the quiet while we can. Even now they are lurking and monitoring this list and know what we are up to. The thing is, to take action they have to deal with the bureaucracy. We don't. We are already on the move. We are gaining momentum, and once we have a critical mass there will be no stopping it. What we need to do is find ways to use the loopholes they have left for thier own benefit, against them. The research angle is definitely a case in point. Now that my reactor is working well and very reliably, I am ready to take the coop to the next stage. I am really good with the technical crap but the administration of it all will be a chore for me. Oh well. Winters are long here and it is worth doing. I have a list of contacts who have seen my car this summer and are waiting for an update on the project. I hope I can get enough support in terms of people who are willing to invest time, effort and even some money to take it to the next level. Joe PS sorry for having my PC clock set wrong for the past little while. DOH! Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, Thanks for the offer.Would the car registration be limited to Canadian residents? Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? I think I lit the fuse on this thread but I'm just glad it is still burning! :-) I would also volunteer to run a similar thing here in Canada. Originally my idea was just a kind of registry on my website which is sponsored by the university I work for. My idea was that cars registered on my site could be claimed to be part of a fleet of research vehicles. That may be a valuable claim when the time comes that the powers try to put the screws to home brewers. Joe www.nonprofitfuel.ca Mike Weaver wrote: I'm very serious. I would be willing to start it - my real business is to provide consulting to non-profits - I know how they work and I know how Capital Hill works. The primarly goal is to keep biodiesel-brewing legal and safe. I envision a DC-based non-profit that would keep tabs on legal issues, what big oil and big bd are up to, and lobby federal, state and local governments on behalf of BD. users. I also think classes and training would be a good idea. Names? More ideas? -Mike Kurt Nolte wrote: On 12/2/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? I'd pay. If only to "stick it to the man" who's trying to pull the strings of the world, IE corporations. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - was Re: US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Hi Keith; I just read your post after I sent my latest message on this thread. I filter your posts to a separate folder and didn't check it till after reading the regular biofuels folder. I feel the subject line of the thread is still relevant, though I understand your refereeing of the argument that seemed to be brewing. I'm not sure if your post meant that we should start a new thread with a new subject line ( which seems counterproductive from the perspective of archiving) or just no further discussion on paid member advocacy. Regards; Joe Keith Addison wrote: The branch of this thread concerning Mike Weaver's proposal to start a paid-membership advocacy group is now closed, see my previous message. No further discussion on this please. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - was Re: US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
I withdraw the notion and will not discuss it further on the Biofuels list. I apologize for any discord I've caused. If anyone has any questions feel free to email me off list, but I think Keith's position is clear and let's honor it. -Mike Weaver Joe Street wrote: Hi Keith; I just read your post after I sent my latest message on this thread. I filter your posts to a separate folder and didn't check it till after reading the regular biofuels folder. I feel the subject line of the thread is still relevant, though I understand your refereeing of the argument that seemed to be brewing. I'm not sure if your post meant that we should start a new thread with a new subject line ( which seems counterproductive from the perspective of archiving) or just no further discussion on paid member advocacy. Regards; Joe Keith Addison wrote: The branch of this thread concerning Mike Weaver's proposal to start a paid-membership advocacy group is now closed, see my previous message. No further discussion on this please. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
On the vaccination issue, I think that there are other issues that could also be causing the increase in athsma, etc. When I was little, I ate dirt, played with the dogs and cats and didn't wash my hands, ate wild berries without washing them, ate ants (I don't remember this but my parents say I did). I also got all of the recommended vaccinations back in the 80's. I think that a certain amount of exposure to stuff like this is necessary to exercise the immune system. Nowadays parents treat everything with triclosan containing dishsoap, handsoap, etc., and god forbid their children ever actually eat a vegetable from the garden without steam cleaning it first. It doesn't suprise me that the incidences of immune system related diseases (like athsma and allergies) are up -- we've left nothing for our immune system to do, so it starts attacking harmless pollen. I never developed allergies to pollen till I moved away from the farm, and lived in the city for a few years. I wonder if the high levels of ground level smog there in the winter had anything to do with it? or just not having pollen around all the time? I've also been in third world countries, where half the children die before the age of five, so there is obviously a too dirty of life too. But I don't think living in a completely antiseptic world is any better for our immune systems that developed over thousands of years to deal with dirt and microbes that we used to live in. As for ADHD -- it sounds like the typical difinition of how a 2 year old acts -- most grow out of it. If they are still acting that way at 6, then it is a problem, but I can't see how you can diagnose a 2 year old. Perhaps it's just that most american children are drugged up on white sugar all the time from drinking soda and eating candy? I was never allowed to eat sugar or drink soda growing up, and even back then, I always wondered why other kids were so hyperkenetic. And then there is the increase in man made chemicals -- pesticides, plastics and plasticizers, fragrances, synthetic estrogens, etc -- in the environemnt, that our bodies have not had time to adjust too. I'm not arguing that we're screwing our bodies up with our current lifestyle, but I am not so sure that vaccinations are the sole cause. Zeke On 12/6/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Marylynn, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: First I need to explain something very important to me. I read a variety of publications from a variety of different lists covering a variety of different fields .. these fields, naturally are the fields that are of interest to me. My own personal opinion is that when I see and hear different subjects concerning animal welfare, animal abuse, animal unwellness, environmental disasters, medical disaster, mercury in vaccinations and the unexplained autism epidemic that is rampant in the western countries, pharma companies trying to pass laws allowing the same drugs, the same vaccinations to be cross prescribed from people to animals .. and quite a few of these publications begin touching on adjacent co-joined subjects I tend to sit up and listen. I read the surveys about disorders showing up in animals who have vaccination compared to disorders not showing up in animals who do not get vaccinated (There was a world wide survey taken by CDC (I think) that took over 5 years and covered most countries) .. I would surely like to see a reference to this. I can't seem to find anything but the beneficial effects of vaccinating animals for the prevention of the spread of disease to humans, ie, rabies. You seem to be taking a very strong anti- vaccination stance. Just curious, do you vaccinate your pets for rabies? and can compare those surveys to surveys about shaken baby syndrome occurring within 3 to 4 weeks after their first vaccinations .. again I would like to see a reference. When I googled the terms I get (among others) http://www.utoronto.ca/virology/mby480/lectures/Scheibner.pdf Opposition to mass childhood vaccination is a world-wide phenomenon, particularly in industrialised countries. Unfounded claims about vaccination are perpetuated by parental lobby groups and individual spokespeople, some of whom have a medical or scientific background. This article focuses on one such spokesperson who has achieved particular notoriety. Dr. Viera Scheibner is a retired micropalaeontologist, without any formal training in health-related sciences, who tours the world claiming that vaccines are ineffective and dangerous and lead to a host of ills such as cancer and asthma. Professionals in public health or the clinical arena are from time to time called upon to publicly respond to her, or similar, claims disseminated during tours of Europe, North America or Australasia and in books and articles. Health professionals have expressed at how such spokespersons misrepresent the evidence on vaccine safety,
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I tried heating the vaporizing ring with a propane torch Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 9 volt rechargeable in 20 seconds
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Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Dallas Area Demo
Anyone in the Dallas area that has a working small scale biofuel production site. I'm interested in showing some of my school kids a home engineered biofuel setup? Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Coydog was Cat question
Greetings, Yes, my coydog is my constant companion. She is the most lovable dog I have ever had, but I would not do it again. The amount of time she takes is high. She is a wild animal, and if you treat her as such, you get a very loving animal. Forget the rules for a short period of time, you have a wild animal that can not be tamed again. How long this takes depends on how old the dog is. The first 3 years of Dusty's life, I did not go on vacation. I can leave for a couple weeks now, no problem. There are days that she demands to be in my lap for hours, and I hold her until she feels comfortable again. Dusty is 60 lbs. so this is a challenge. Our cat is half feral as well, according to the vet. He too requires a huge cuddle investment. As far as I can figure them out, the wild and the tame get into a war and it takes hours of cuddles to give the tame side dominance. The hard part was teaching her not to help herself to dinner. Feeding raw has really help with this issue, but guilt manipulation does have a use. Last time she killed something she was not suppose to, I didn't yell at her, I picked up the dead animal and cried like she had killed my first born child. This method worked where nothing else would. Coydogs do make wonderful companion animals but only if you do not work outside the home, can devote endless hours to loving on them and have the patience to pay very close attention to them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:23 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: You house a coydog? All the coydogs ive met have been ill tempered untrustworthy beasts. Is it due to upbringing, or lack of that makes them so? from what i understand about animal personalities is they are similar to humans in how they react to their emotional environment. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half coyote and I almost lost her due to her hunting before I started to feed her raw. Now, she no longer eats what she kills, she brings it to Mom to make sure it is okay before chowing down. On a sustainable farm, trying to establish a sustainable way of life, I feel that the animal feeds should be home grown. I love the change for the better this has caused in my fur family, especially my 10 year old black lab, who is also a rescue. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:57 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: snip I've heard similar stories. Large dogs tend to have a longer life span than small cats, do they not? Seventeen years is a LONG time for an outdoor cat to live. Am I understanding correctly, based upon the outline of your argument, that this constitutes evidence that factory food production for our pets is responsible for the decline in pet longevity? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Marula (Scelerocarya birrea) was Jatropha Curcas
Hi, I had an interesting meeting this morning with someone who is extracting oil from the marula nut (Scelerocarya birrea). Have a look at www.marula.org.za for more information on this - google it and you'll find a whole lot of other really good info. Apparently you can get 10 trees/ha, 2000tpa/ha of fruit, 30% of which is nut and 25% of nut is oil, this is hearsay and needs to be confirmed (anyone got a reference?). They are indigenous and all over the Limpopo Province, the fruit pulp (used for brewing a form of beer, gives me a headache) is prized above the nut, although there is a market for the oil. It may be a better option compared with Jatropha - you could probably get the oil by tomorrow. I'm going to get some and make a few test batches. Regards, Duncan Hello Doug, Isabel, Edible provenances of Jatropha curcas from Veracruz and Quintana Roo States of Mexico were investigated by Makkar, Becker and Schmook of the University of Hohenheim and found to be non toxic to humans after roasting. Phorbol esters, the major toxic constituents of Jatropha, were altogether absent in three of the seed samples and the contents of trypsin inhibitors, phorbol esters, phytate were all lower in the roasted nuts, which tasted like roasted peanuts. However, lectin activity was not reduced by roasting. They concluded that this non-toxic variety could be cultivated in developing countries for their edible oil, and seedcake as fodder. http://www.jatropha.de/schmook1.htm The presence of a new tumor promoter in the seed oil of Jatropha curcas L has been reported in the Japanese Journal of Cancer Research by Hirota M, M Suttajit et al from Thailand but there is not much else besides this singular study. A debate is now on in the new state of Chattisgarh in India about the advisability of cultivating Jatropha because of this. http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/113032/1/1897 Those interested in Jatropha would do well to visit www.jatropha.de run by the redoubtable Reinhard Henning (who incidentally, used to post to this list- please see archives) and The Centre for Jatropha Promotion www.jatrophaworld.com The former site provides links to Jatropha developments in Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Madagascar, Mali, Malawi, Namibia, Republique de Cote de Ivoire, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Tunisia and Uganda besides other countries. Regards balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Hi Ken; It's not a matter of re-jetting as I said the fuel has to be boiling in the generator tube so that it is vapour which reaches the jet not liquid. As long as there is enough heat it works great. Given enough time a sterno flame can no doubt heat things enough but the problem is generally the preheat fuel (sterno or whatever) burns itself out before everything is hot enough. You could probably just re-prime it maybe twice or three times before trying to light?? Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Maybe I could just throw the BD into the reactor tank and warm it up first. I do that sometimes anyway to clear cloudy BD. I would NOT count on a camping stove to light on BD the trail, unless you are in Arizona in July! Joe Street wrote: Hi Ken; It's not a matter of re-jetting as I said the fuel has to be boiling in the generator tube so that it is vapour which reaches the jet not liquid. As long as there is enough heat it works great. Given enough time a sterno flame can no doubt heat things enough but the problem is generally the preheat fuel (sterno or whatever) burns itself out before everything is hot enough. You could probably just re-prime it maybe twice or three times before trying to light?? Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it takes a torch! Joe Ken Dunn wrote: Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to pre-preheat it with a Sterno. On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Howdy Mike, Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? The vapor pressure of a mixture of liquids is the weighted average, by mole fraction, of the vapor pressures of the contributing liquids. (the vapor pressure is the tendency of a liquid to turn in to a gas- the boiling point of a liquid is defined as the point when the vapor pressure of a liquid equals atmospheric pressure) Hence one would want to mix the most volatile, flammable liquid you can that is miscible with the biodiesel. If I were doing it I would start my mixing small amounts of white gas or gasoline with the biodiesel until I got the minimum proportion which supported combustion under the desired conditions. Isopropyl alcohol would work, but I think it has a higher vapor pressure and lower heat of combustion than gasoline so it would take a higher proportion to achieve the same effect. -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I would say try kerosene or heating oil. Gasoline is too volatile and can create explosive atmospheres. Keep the IPA for titrations!! it is one of the more difficult items to get. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
But if you do this those light molecules will eventually get jostled to the top and then hop into the air space in the container above the surface of the liquid eventually building up pressure in the closed container until it reaches the vapour pressure of the more volatile liquid (at that temperature) where it will stabilize with an equal number of molecules evaporating and dissolving back into the liquid. When you open the container you will hear a little hiss and you will release a puff of explosive vapor into the local area. Or if the container is open eventually the gas will all evaporate out of your BD. If you cut it with kerosene which still has a vapor pressure that is low at room temperature you will have to use more but it will tend to stay as mixed and will not be as hazardous. If you spill some, you will not have to worry about a static discharge in your sweater blowing you to kingdom come as you scrub it off the floor. Joe bob allen wrote: Howdy Mike, Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? The vapor pressure of a mixture of liquids is the weighted average, by mole fraction, of the vapor pressures of the contributing liquids. (the vapor pressure is the tendency of a liquid to turn in to a gas- the boiling point of a liquid is defined as the point when the vapor pressure of a liquid equals atmospheric pressure) Hence one would want to mix the most volatile, flammable liquid you can that is miscible with the biodiesel. If I were doing it I would start my mixing small amounts of white gas or gasoline with the biodiesel until I got the minimum proportion which supported combustion under the desired conditions. Isopropyl alcohol would work, but I think it has a higher vapor pressure and lower heat of combustion than gasoline so it would take a higher proportion to achieve the same effect. -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh...outdoors?? I dunno but it was warm in my basement. :-[ J Mike Weaver wrote: What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a few sputters but no flame. Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor to the jet. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled by BD. I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping store said the thinner distillates works best. We'll see, Mike Ken Dunn wrote: Please, let us know how it does, Mike. Take care, On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back if I get it going. Ken Dunn wrote: What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? Care to comment? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] Bob Allen- Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vaccine Info] Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:21:17 +0100 If giving pets too many vaccines is injuring and killing them, why would this not be true for humans? http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4448558/detail.html NBC4.TV, CA Vaccinating Pets Could Do More Harm Than Good May 4, 2005 LOS ANGELES -- Many people get their pets vaccinated every year for health and protection. But is it possible those same vaccinations could be harming your pet or worse? Some veterinarians are starting to look more closely at those claims, reported NBC4's David Cruz. Today, Molly is a playful 4-year-old Basenji, but at 2 years old, she was covered in sores and fighting for life. She was dying, her owners told NBC4. Laying in her bed, she wouldn't get up. She would hardly eat. Doctors were baffled by the dog's mystery illness until they narrowed it down to a most likely cause, a severe reaction to multiple vaccines, given at the rescue shelter where her owners adopted her. What I understand now is that that can potentially overload the immune system, said Molly's owner. You do not need to vaccinate your pet every year and it may not be safe to do so, reported NBC4's Cruz. One veterinarian told NBC4 that millions of pets get booster shots every year, for everything from rabies and distemper to parvovirus and lyme disease, and most suffer no ill effects. But these days, many veterinarians are taking a less is better approach. People often are so hysterical, they put the animals to sleep because it's an acute vaccine reaction and has to be treated rapidly to have the animal recover, but then you don't vaccinate again because the next one could kill the animal, the veterinarian said. One Los Angeles veterinarian said vaccines can remain effective for years without booster shots. He did a survey of more than 100,000 dogs that were vaccinated once for distemper and parvovirus. In every case, those who were tested and did not get boosters have remained healthy. Overvaccination has been suspected in causing tumors in some cats and immune problems in dogs. One family said their Yorkshire Terrier, Nicky, nearly died after an annual series of booster shots. She couldn't breathe well, she was weak, limp, a family member said. She was going to die. They said she probably wouldn't pull through it. After $6,000 in medical fees and a week in intensive care, Nicky pulled through. Doctors suspect an adverse vaccine reaction. You bring your dog in because you're trying to keep her healthy, and a week later you find out you almost killed her, the family member said. One doctor told NBC4 that if you're getting your pet vaccinated, here's a simple plan: Start with the basics, rabies, distemper and parvovirus, then consult with your vet. The doctor said German shepherds, rottweilers and poodles are at higher risk for adverse vaccine reactions, as are older pets. Concerned pet owners with questions are encouraged to consult with their veterinarian. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bob Allen- Rabies Challenge Fund!!!
From: horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: silverpets [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SilverPets] FW: [VacCease] Rabies Challenge Fund!!! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:01:03 -0400 -- From: Peter Kris Christine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:39:12 -0400 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@lincoln.midcoast.com Subject: [VacCease] Rabies Challenge Fund!!! Greetings All!!! Important news for companion animal owners and lovers (see below and Denise Flaim's 9/19/05 story Challenging the Rabies Vaccine in Newsday http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-lspets4432971sep19,0,1274963.column ) -- permission is granted to post and cross-post this message. Please help to spread the word so we can get these studies underway as soon as possible. Regards, Kris Christine The Rabies Challenge Fund World-renown vaccine research scientist and practicing veterinarian, Dr. W. Jean Dodds of California, and pet vaccine disclosure advocate, Kris L. Christine of Maine, have established The Rabies Challenge Fund to raise money to fund a 7 year rabies vaccine challenge study in the United States. In addition to the challenge study, the fund will finance a study of the adjuvants used in veterinary rabies vaccines and establish a rabies vaccine adverse reaction reporting system. Rabies vaccination is the one immunization required by law across the country for domestic dogs and cats. Researchers believe this vaccine causes the most and worst adverse reactions in animals. The Rabies Challenge Fund has been founded to improve the safety of rabies vaccines and to determine, by challenge, if they confer immunity for 5, 6, or 7 years. The Rabies Challenge Funds first official sponsors are Deb Odom (Florida) and Dawn Turner (Arizona), who have committed to donating a portion of the proceeds from the sale of their pet vaccine informed consent posters and informational flyers. Donations can be sent to THE RABIES CHALLENGE FUND, c/o Hemopet, 11330 Markon Drive, Garden Grove, CA 92841. Rabies Challenge Fund poster designed by fund sponsor Deb Odom is accessible at http://www.zbirdbrain.com/PetAdvocatesTownHallCisSupport.htm YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group VacCease http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VacCease on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 189092, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately *** http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=10963505dopt=Citation South Med J. 2000 Aug;93(8):763-7. Related Articles, Links 'Bacilli and bullets': William Osler and the antivaccination movement. Greenberg SB. Department of Medicine, Microbiology and Immunology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. Public discourse concerning current vaccination recommendations has dramatically increased. The current battle is not new, having had a lengthy foreshadowing during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Over a 30-year period, a concerted effort to limit the use of smallpox vaccine grew at the very time typhoid vaccines were being developed and advocated for widespread prevention. As a long time advocate for widespread smallpox vaccination and a supporter of the newly tested typhoid vaccine, Sir William Osler entered the public debate at the beginning of World War I. Osler was asked to address the officers and men in the British army on the need for typhoid vaccination. His speech entitled Bacilli and Bullets
[Biofuel] Bob Allen- PET VACCINATION An Institutionalised Crime by Catherine O'Driscoll
FYI Catherine O'Driscoll is a very well known and respected researcher in the field of animal health. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/driscoll1.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bob Allen - Vaccination Protocol and titer hype
cross posted from rose, moderator of blacksalveandpetswithcancer From: rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blacksalveandpetswithcancer] Re: Vaccination Protocol and titer hype Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:44:27 -0500 crossposted Don't get fooled by the voodoo science of titer testing. I sceptically believe it to be a procedure relied upon by vets who don't know their science and/or who need some income replacement for the lack of vaccination. Read this article, http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm and be aware that the vet who does ALL the canine vaccine testing for the drug companies in the U.S. (read that the world) -- Ronald Schultz, chairman of pathobiological sciences at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine at Madison -- vaccinates his dogs, his children's dogs, and his grandchildren's dogs exactly once, at 14 weeks, after the first twelve weeks when mother's immunity (which can be duplicated with colostrum if it isn't there) destroys the vaccines and their efficacy. And he vaccinates ONLY for rabies, distemper, and parvo, and not for ANYTHING else. He doesn't do any titer testing, because it is scientific malarkey. Immunity is determined by memory cells (which can't be measured), and which last a lifetime, or at least as long as the dog has the physical strength to mount an immune defense. If the dog is so sick that it can no longer mount an immune defense, no amount of vaccinating will help. Dr. Robert Schultz does NOT do titer testing to determining if he will revaccinate. This from a friend who has been to one of his seminars and spoken to him personally: Okay, I have been resisting entering this conversation b/c people REALLY need to do the research on this and make their own decisions, for their own dogs, in their own part of the country/world. Titers are tests that supposedly measure a dog's immune response to a particular disease to evaluate vaccination success. I have attended several seminars in the past 3 months by Dr. Ronald Schultz, the leading canine immunologist in this country if not the world. He has been studying canine immunology at UW Madison for the past 30 yrs and was previously at Cornell. He is also the primary consultant to all the major drug companies that manufacture the vaccines. His diplomacy is something I could never aspire to but his studies are THE SINGULAR REASON the 27 vet schools in North America have changed their core vaccination protocol to 3 years. He is the only immunologist who has studies that run up to 14 years. To ever condense what I've learned in his lectures into an email would be impossible. But here's a summary to address the concerns in this thread: 1. In the vaccination debate you should be thinking only about core vaccines: Parvo, Distemper, Rabies. The others (Lyme, Giardia, Lepto, Corona, Bordatella) you are looking at very reactogenic vaccines, short immune duration and extremely limited efface for the wide range of strains these diseases have. 2. All dogs should be vaccinated for parvo/distemper/rabies at 12-14 weeks. This is at the stage where mom's immunity factors are lessening and could interfere with the vaccine. He does a challenged titer one week after to be sure the vaccine took. (Long conversation here about when it's safe to expose puppies to anything from the outside world.) 3. There are also dogs who are non-responders. They just don't receive any immunity from vaccinations. Their numbers are limited but my sister has one...challenged titers are the only way to ascertain this. Challenged titers mean a dog has been exposed to a disease and the immune response measured low or zilch. They are not protected. 4. Most vets will just take a blood sample and that titer reading is really insignificant. Titers only measure an exposed immune response, not memory cells. If the dog has never come in contact with the disease, the titer will be low but that does not mean the dog has not gained immunity. 5. I asked Dr. Schultz what vaccination protocol he follows with his own dogs. He responded that for his 7 dogs, his children's dogs and his grandchildren's dogs, all are vaccinated between the ages of 12 - 14 weeks for core vaccines and never again. My dogs, ages 2, 6 and 16 will never receive another vaccination of any sort. I'll fly under the radar on the Rabies since my dogs would never bite anyone. My interest in this was sparked by a friend losing her dog to Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia. There is no hard science to support the relationship btwn this and autoimmune disease but it's kind of a no-brainer. If your dog is having a bad reaction to vaccines, that's a good clue. For the sake of your dogs, please educate yourself on the science of their immune system,and then make your decision. It is well settled that vaccinations are NOT harmless. I began to look at the issue in 1996, when
[Biofuel] Bob Allen- Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds
Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds This information has been taught by Dr. Jean Dodds for about a decade. Search the archives for vaccination, and you will find that many people have been aware of the side affects of Vaccinosis for years. Crossposted with permission. NEW!!! Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds All of the 27 Vet Universities in the US have followed the immunization protocol as suggested by Dr. Dodds for years. All of the Hospitals will be changing their Vaccination Programs apparently. This is welcomed news and you should print this out and take it with you to your Vet should you need reinforcement against over- vaccination. VACCINATION NEWSFLASH (CIMDA SUPPORT) RE: J. Dodds,DVM, vaccine protocol I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical and economic challenge to Vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions or the doctors economic well being should not be a factor in a medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity which is good for the life of the pet (i.e.: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper) If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of mlv vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 9-14 weeks. Puppies and kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo.) will provide LIFETIME IMMUNITY!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] new subject line!!!
cripes, what is it that folks seem to want to put my name in the subject line? please stop- it adds nothing to the conversation and makes searches in the archives difficult. as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vaccine Info] Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:21:17 +0100 If giving pets too many vaccines is injuring and killing them, why would this not be true for humans? http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4448558/detail.html NBC4.TV, CA Vaccinating Pets Could Do More Harm Than Good May 4, 2005 note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... I don't doubt that there are occasional allergic reactions to vaccinations among animals just as among humans, but but these are idiosyncratic. LOS ANGELES -- Many people get their pets vaccinated every year for health and protection. But is it possible those same vaccinations could be harming your pet or worse? Some veterinarians are starting to look more closely at those claims, reported NBC4's David Cruz. Today, Molly is a playful 4-year-old Basenji, but at 2 years old, she was covered in sores and fighting for life. She was dying, her owners told NBC4. Laying in her bed, she wouldn't get up. She would hardly eat. Doctors were baffled by the dog's mystery illness until they narrowed it down to a most likely cause, a severe reaction to multiple vaccines, given at the rescue shelter where her owners adopted her. What I understand now is that that can potentially overload the immune system, said Molly's owner. You do not need to vaccinate your pet every year and it may not be safe to do so, reported NBC4's Cruz. One veterinarian told NBC4 that millions of pets get booster shots every year, for everything from rabies and distemper to parvovirus and lyme disease, and most suffer no ill effects. which is just what I am saying. But these days, many veterinarians are taking a less is better approach. People often are so hysterical, they put the animals to sleep because it's an acute vaccine reaction and has to be treated rapidly to have the animal recover, but then you don't vaccinate again because the next one could kill the animal, the veterinarian said. One Los Angeles veterinarian said vaccines can remain effective for years without booster shots. He did a survey of more than 100,000 dogs that were vaccinated once for distemper and parvovirus. In every case, those who were tested and did not get boosters have remained healthy. Overvaccination has been suspected in causing tumors in some cats and immune problems in dogs. One family said their Yorkshire Terrier, Nicky, nearly died after an annual series of booster shots. She couldn't breathe well, she was weak, limp, a family member said. She was going to die. They said she probably wouldn't pull through it. After $6,000 in medical fees and a week in intensive care, Nicky pulled through. Doctors suspect an adverse vaccine reaction. You bring your dog in because you're trying to keep her healthy, and a week later you find out you almost killed her, the family member said. One doctor told NBC4 that if you're getting your pet vaccinated, here's a simple plan: Start with the basics, rabies, distemper and parvovirus, then consult with your vet. The doctor said German shepherds, rottweilers and poodles are at higher risk for adverse vaccine reactions, as are older pets. Concerned pet owners with questions are encouraged to consult with their veterinarian. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen- Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds
would you please stop putting my name in the subject line- I am not the subject. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds This information has been taught by Dr. Jean Dodds for about a decade. Search the archives for vaccination, and you will find that many people have been aware of the side affects of Vaccinosis for years. Crossposted with permission. NEW!!! Vaccination Protocol by Dr. Jean Dodds All of the 27 Vet Universities in the US have followed the immunization protocol as suggested by Dr. Dodds for years. All of the Hospitals will be changing their Vaccination Programs apparently. This is welcomed news and you should print this out and take it with you to your Vet should you need reinforcement against over- vaccination. VACCINATION NEWSFLASH (CIMDA SUPPORT) RE: J. Dodds,DVM, vaccine protocol I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical and economic challenge to Vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions or the doctors economic well being should not be a factor in a medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity which is good for the life of the pet (i.e.: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper) If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of mlv vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 9-14 weeks. Puppies and kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo.) will provide LIFETIME IMMUNITY!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen- PET VACCINATION An Institutionalised Crime by Catherine O'Driscoll
would you please stop putting my name in the subject line- I am not the subject. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: FYI Catherine O'Driscoll is a very well known and respected researcher in the field of animal health. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/driscoll1.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bob Allen
To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
If vaccines are big business being forced on us for profit, then why does no one want to actually make them. Last year, less than half of the people in the US who wanted to get flu vaccines couldn't even get them, because there was only one or two companies who produced them, and one got shut down. Wouldn't the big drug companies be falling over themselves to get into this business if there was any money to be made in it? Vaccinating someone only gets you $5, once a year for flu, or maybe $60 once every 10 years for other stuff. Better to sell them fancy patented drugs for $80 a month... On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 1890–92, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately *** http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=10963505dopt=Citation South Med J. 2000 Aug;93(8):763-7. Related Articles, Links 'Bacilli and bullets': William Osler and the antivaccination movement. Greenberg SB. Department of Medicine, Microbiology and Immunology, Baylor College of
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen- Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
would you please stop putting my name in the subject line- I am not the subject. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vaccine Info] Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:21:17 +0100 If giving pets too many vaccines is injuring and killing them, why would this not be true for humans? http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4448558/detail.html NBC4.TV, CA Vaccinating Pets Could Do More Harm Than Good May 4, 2005 LOS ANGELES -- Many people get their pets vaccinated every year for health and protection. But is it possible those same vaccinations could be harming your pet or worse? Some veterinarians are starting to look more closely at those claims, reported NBC4's David Cruz. Today, Molly is a playful 4-year-old Basenji, but at 2 years old, she was covered in sores and fighting for life. She was dying, her owners told NBC4. Laying in her bed, she wouldn't get up. She would hardly eat. Doctors were baffled by the dog's mystery illness until they narrowed it down to a most likely cause, a severe reaction to multiple vaccines, given at the rescue shelter where her owners adopted her. What I understand now is that that can potentially overload the immune system, said Molly's owner. You do not need to vaccinate your pet every year and it may not be safe to do so, reported NBC4's Cruz. One veterinarian told NBC4 that millions of pets get booster shots every year, for everything from rabies and distemper to parvovirus and lyme disease, and most suffer no ill effects. But these days, many veterinarians are taking a less is better approach. People often are so hysterical, they put the animals to sleep because it's an acute vaccine reaction and has to be treated rapidly to have the animal recover, but then you don't vaccinate again because the next one could kill the animal, the veterinarian said. One Los Angeles veterinarian said vaccines can remain effective for years without booster shots. He did a survey of more than 100,000 dogs that were vaccinated once for distemper and parvovirus. In every case, those who were tested and did not get boosters have remained healthy. Overvaccination has been suspected in causing tumors in some cats and immune problems in dogs. One family said their Yorkshire Terrier, Nicky, nearly died after an annual series of booster shots. She couldn't breathe well, she was weak, limp, a family member said. She was going to die. They said she probably wouldn't pull through it. After $6,000 in medical fees and a week in intensive care, Nicky pulled through. Doctors suspect an adverse vaccine reaction. You bring your dog in because you're trying to keep her healthy, and a week later you find out you almost killed her, the family member said. One doctor told NBC4 that if you're getting your pet vaccinated, here's a simple plan: Start with the basics, rabies, distemper and parvovirus, then consult with your vet. The doctor said German shepherds, rottweilers and poodles are at higher risk for adverse vaccine reactions, as are older pets. Concerned pet owners with questions are encouraged to consult with their veterinarian. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen - Vaccination Protocol and titer hype
would you please stop putting my name in the subject line- I am not the subject. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: cross posted from rose, moderator of blacksalveandpetswithcancer From: rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blacksalveandpetswithcancer] Re: Vaccination Protocol and titer hype Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:44:27 -0500 crossposted Don't get fooled by the voodoo science of titer testing. I sceptically believe it to be a procedure relied upon by vets who don't know their science and/or who need some income replacement for the lack of vaccination. Read this article, http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm and be aware that the vet who does ALL the canine vaccine testing for the drug companies in the U.S. (read that the world) -- Ronald Schultz, chairman of pathobiological sciences at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine at Madison -- vaccinates his dogs, his children's dogs, and his grandchildren's dogs exactly once, at 14 weeks, after the first twelve weeks when mother's immunity (which can be duplicated with colostrum if it isn't there) destroys the vaccines and their efficacy. And he vaccinates ONLY for rabies, distemper, and parvo, and not for ANYTHING else. He doesn't do any titer testing, because it is scientific malarkey. Immunity is determined by memory cells (which can't be measured), and which last a lifetime, or at least as long as the dog has the physical strength to mount an immune defense. If the dog is so sick that it can no longer mount an immune defense, no amount of vaccinating will help. Dr. Robert Schultz does NOT do titer testing to determining if he will revaccinate. This from a friend who has been to one of his seminars and spoken to him personally: Okay, I have been resisting entering this conversation b/c people REALLY need to do the research on this and make their own decisions, for their own dogs, in their own part of the country/world. Titers are tests that supposedly measure a dog's immune response to a particular disease to evaluate vaccination success. I have attended several seminars in the past 3 months by Dr. Ronald Schultz, the leading canine immunologist in this country if not the world. He has been studying canine immunology at UW Madison for the past 30 yrs and was previously at Cornell. He is also the primary consultant to all the major drug companies that manufacture the vaccines. His diplomacy is something I could never aspire to but his studies are THE SINGULAR REASON the 27 vet schools in North America have changed their core vaccination protocol to 3 years. He is the only immunologist who has studies that run up to 14 years. To ever condense what I've learned in his lectures into an email would be impossible. But here's a summary to address the concerns in this thread: 1. In the vaccination debate you should be thinking only about core vaccines: Parvo, Distemper, Rabies. The others (Lyme, Giardia, Lepto, Corona, Bordatella) you are looking at very reactogenic vaccines, short immune duration and extremely limited efface for the wide range of strains these diseases have. 2. All dogs should be vaccinated for parvo/distemper/rabies at 12-14 weeks. This is at the stage where mom's immunity factors are lessening and could interfere with the vaccine. He does a challenged titer one week after to be sure the vaccine took. (Long conversation here about when it's safe to expose puppies to anything from the outside world.) 3. There are also dogs who are non-responders. They just don't receive any immunity from vaccinations. Their numbers are limited but my sister has one...challenged titers are the only way to ascertain this. Challenged titers mean a dog has been exposed to a disease and the immune response measured low or zilch. They are not protected. 4. Most vets will just take a blood sample and that titer reading is really insignificant. Titers only measure an exposed immune response, not memory cells. If the dog has never come in contact with the disease, the titer will be low but that does not mean the dog has not gained immunity. 5. I asked Dr. Schultz what vaccination protocol he follows with his own dogs. He responded that for his 7 dogs, his children's dogs and his grandchildren's dogs, all are vaccinated between the ages of 12 - 14 weeks for core vaccines and never again. My dogs, ages 2, 6 and 16 will never receive another vaccination of any sort. I'll fly under the radar on the Rabies since my dogs would never bite anyone. My interest in this was sparked by a friend losing her dog to Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia. There is no hard science to support the relationship btwn this and autoimmune disease but it's kind of a no-brainer. If your dog is having a bad reaction to vaccines, that's a good clue. For the sake of your dogs, please educate yourself on the science of their immune system,and then make your
[Biofuel] Rabies Vaccine frequency. was: Bob Allen
Mary Quit screwing up the JTF archives by putting irrelevant subject titles on your emails. This one is about rabies vaccines, not Bob Allen. On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
would you please stop putting my name in the subject line- I am not the subject, as much as you may want it to be. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 1890–92, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately *** http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=10963505dopt=Citation South Med J. 2000 Aug;93(8):763-7. Related Articles, Links 'Bacilli and bullets': William Osler and the antivaccination movement. Greenberg SB. Department of Medicine, Microbiology and Immunology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. Public discourse concerning current vaccination recommendations has dramatically increased. The current battle is not new, having had a lengthy foreshadowing during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Over a 30-year period, a concerted effort to limit the use of smallpox vaccine grew at the very time typhoid vaccines were being developed and advocated for widespread prevention. As a long time advocate for widespread smallpox vaccination and a supporter of the newly
[Biofuel] concerning rabies vaccinations
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. if they last 7 years does that means that they work? That is, reduce the risk of transmission of a lethal disease? I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. so you don't vaccinate your animals as required by law? And by so doing you don't feel that you are putting your animals, and other animals including people at risk of a lethal disease? transmission of which can be blocked by vaccinations. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. anybody can sue anybody else for any reason under the sun. Maybe you didn't find anything because the suit was thrown out of court. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. here you are a letter ready to go: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/dr.rogers.htm seems he does vaccinations himself. In addition to our many cutting-edge services, we offer the following: * Low Cost Vaccinations... http://www.critterfixer.com/ Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ashcroft's Legacy Revealed: US jury acquits Arab-American professor
Ashcroft's Legacy RevealedAfter losing to a dead rival in a US Senate election (Ashcroft being theincumbent), the religious extremist rises to become the US attorney general and falsely arrest hundreds in the name of "national security". His "work" is still showing up in the headlines.Before: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79073,00.html"University of South Florida computer engineering professor Sami Al-Arian is the North American leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Attorney General John Ashcroft said in announcing the federal indictment."[more]After: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051206/ts_alt_afp/usattackspalestinian_051206215259"MIAMI (AFP) - A US jury acquitted Arab-American Sami Al-Arian on terrorism charges..."[more]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
Bob, as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. U, it's collective testimonials that are oft sought out in trials. If they can be accepted en masse as evidentiary, then they shouldn't be pooh poohed as readily as you would care to. Besides, it's rather difficult to get a dog to tell you that his joint and muscle tissue feels like mush for weeks after a vaccination. Short of an entire herd of animals being on death's door shortly after a vaccination, there's a high probability that testimonials play a far more significant role in this venue than in selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums. note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... You could indeed be. But nobody is aiming a meteorite at you or introducing one into your vacinity in the same manner or frequency as vaccinations are upon living creatures - four legged or other. As for the tin hat? A bit doubtful that it would help. At least not unless the last of the mass had been expended to the point of a dust spec within the last few inches of your noggin. I don't doubt that there are occasional allergic reactions to vaccinations among animals just as among humans, but but these are idiosyncratic. You state this as if it were an absolute and as if the idiosyncra[cies] are not germane. All a bit subjective on your part, albeit espoused as a definitive. I suppose this is where the discussion over what is significant and insignificant begins? Clinically or statistically significant? How many sig figs would you care to include or discount? which is just what I am saying. But you didn't comment on what they were saying after you found your place of agreement. Much like reading half the book, discounting the rest and making up your own ending. Sound science (and/or wise observation) includes everything, not just what is cherry picked. Todd Swearingen cripes, what is it that folks seem to want to put my name in the subject line? please stop- it adds nothing to the conversation and makes searches in the archives difficult. as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vaccine Info] Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:21:17 +0100 If giving pets too many vaccines is injuring and killing them, why would this not be true for humans? http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4448558/detail.html NBC4.TV, CA Vaccinating Pets Could Do More Harm Than Good May 4, 2005 note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... I don't doubt that there are occasional allergic reactions to vaccinations among animals just as among humans, but but these are idiosyncratic. LOS ANGELES -- Many people get their pets vaccinated every year for health and protection. But is it possible those same vaccinations could be harming your pet or worse? Some veterinarians are starting to look more closely at those claims, reported NBC4's David Cruz. Today, Molly is a playful 4-year-old Basenji, but at 2 years old, she was covered in sores and fighting for life. She was dying, her owners told NBC4. Laying in her bed, she wouldn't get up. She would hardly eat. Doctors were baffled by the dog's mystery illness until they narrowed it down to a most likely cause, a severe reaction to multiple vaccines, given at the rescue shelter where her owners adopted her. What I understand now is that that can potentially overload the immune system, said Molly's owner. You do not need to vaccinate your pet every year and it may not be safe to do so, reported NBC4's Cruz. One veterinarian told NBC4 that millions of pets get booster shots every year, for everything from rabies and distemper to parvovirus and lyme disease, and most suffer no ill effects. which is just what I am saying. But these days, many veterinarians are taking a less is better approach. People often are so hysterical, they put the animals to sleep because it's an acute vaccine reaction and has to be treated rapidly to have the animal recover, but then you don't vaccinate again because the next one could kill the animal, the veterinarian said. One Los Angeles veterinarian said vaccines can remain effective for years without booster shots. He did a survey of more than 100,000 dogs that were vaccinated once for distemper and parvovirus. In every case, those who were tested and did not get boosters have remained healthy. Overvaccination has been suspected in causing tumors in some cats and immune problems in dogs. One family said their Yorkshire Terrier, Nicky, nearly
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
No insurance company will insure their products. That's the big reason behind the push to pass these laws that will hold them blameless. No a bad deal. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:49:42 -0700 If vaccines are big business being forced on us for profit, then why does no one want to actually make them. Last year, less than half of the people in the US who wanted to get flu vaccines couldn't even get them, because there was only one or two companies who produced them, and one got shut down. Wouldn't the big drug companies be falling over themselves to get into this business if there was any money to be made in it? Vaccinating someone only gets you $5, once a year for flu, or maybe $60 once every 10 years for other stuff. Better to sell them fancy patented drugs for $80 a month... On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 189092, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply
Re: [Biofuel] concerning rabies vaccinations
Yes No Limited vaccinations. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] concerning rabies vaccinations Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:25:01 -0600 Marylynn Schmidt wrote: To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. if they last 7 years does that means that they work? That is, reduce the risk of transmission of a lethal disease? I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. so you don't vaccinate your animals as required by law? And by so doing you don't feel that you are putting your animals, and other animals including people at risk of a lethal disease? transmission of which can be blocked by vaccinations. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. anybody can sue anybody else for any reason under the sun. Maybe you didn't find anything because the suit was thrown out of court. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. here you are a letter ready to go: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/dr.rogers.htm seems he does vaccinations himself. In addition to our many cutting-edge services, we offer the following: * Low Cost Vaccinations... http://www.critterfixer.com/ Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? I'm not clear on whether you want to cut the BD for use in a backpacking stove for heating your reactor or in a modified furnace. There's a big differnce. With the camp stove you have a fairly open system, and one where the fuel is supposed to vaporize. Cutting with something fairly volatile will probably thin out the BD and make ignition much easier. Gasoline should work, as would mineral spirits, acetone, alcohol, etc. You really really don't want to mix volatiles into a closed system like a boiler or furnace. It's common when having problems with them for some fuel to puddle in the burner; something like gasoline could easily result in an explosive condition. That's my take on it at least. Check out the altfuelfurnace list at yahoo if you want more info, but know that they won't entertain any discussion of cutting with volatile liquids there at all. --- David -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
good evening Todd, Appal Energy wrote: Bob, as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. U, it's collective testimonials that are oft sought out in trials. If they can be accepted en masse as evidentiary, then they shouldn't be pooh poohed as readily as you would care to. I don't think the way court proceeding are conducted is a good analogy for how science is done. When it comes to vaccinations the issue is one of cost/benefit, which ultimately will be decided by society. Just what the costs and benefits are I believe are best determined by the scientific method, rather than the squeaky wheel. the costs of vaccination, other than monetary costs for production, are harm to individuals, where as the benefits accrue to society. Individuals have died from small pox vaccinations, but small pox is no longer a global scourge due to the vaccinations. Should we as a global society not have vaccinated? I submit that many many more would have died, and would still be dying had not the small pox vaccine been deployed. Individuals have died from polio vaccinations, but I am proud to have participated as a polio pioneer and now a bunch of people alive don't know what an iron lung is, again due the blocking of transmission of a viral infection. similarly I think that requiring rabies inoculations is sound social policy. Besides, it's rather difficult to get a dog to tell you that his joint and muscle tissue feels like mush for weeks after a vaccination. that doesn't negate the need for sound data, free of preconceptions, observer bias, placebo effects etc. Short of an entire herd of animals being on death's door shortly after a vaccination, there's a high probability that testimonials play a far more significant role in this venue than in selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums. note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... You could indeed be. But nobody is aiming a meteorite at you or introducing one into your vacinity in the same manner or frequency as vaccinations are upon living creatures - four legged or other. As for the tin hat? A bit doubtful that it would help. At least not unless the last of the mass had been expended to the point of a dust spec within the last few inches of your noggin. granted that was a rather flippant example. I'll leave it alone. I don't doubt that there are occasional allergic reactions to vaccinations among animals just as among humans, but but these are idiosyncratic. You state this as if it were an absolute and as if the idiosyncra[cies] are not germane. All a bit subjective on your part, albeit espoused as a definitive. I suppose this is where the discussion over what is significant and insignificant begins? Clinically or statistically significant? How many sig figs would you care to include or discount? Yes, risk assessment is in the end is a subjective determination, decided by society, but hopefully guided by valid statistics. Society has to determine how much risk to force on an individuals and their pets and for how much protection to the common good. Generally I think we (society) have done a pretty decent job of it. In terms of public health care, there is no better bang for the buck than vaccinations. which is just what I am saying. But you didn't comment on what they were saying after you found your place of agreement. Much like reading half the book, discounting the rest and making up your own ending. Sound science (and/or wise observation) includes everything, not just what is cherry picked. the one word could leaves enough wiggle room for anything to be possible, hence casting a cloud over all other material therein. toodles Todd Swearingen cripes, what is it that folks seem to want to put my name in the subject line? please stop- it adds nothing to the conversation and makes searches in the archives difficult. as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vaccine Info] Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:21:17 +0100 If giving pets too many vaccines is injuring and killing them, why would this not be true for humans? http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4448558/detail.html NBC4.TV, CA Vaccinating Pets Could Do More Harm Than Good May 4, 2005 note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... I don't doubt that there are occasional allergic reactions to vaccinations among animals just as among humans, but but
Re: [Biofuel] concerning rabies vaccinations
Or just try reading a Veterinary Practice Magazine. I have two friends who are vets. Both are quite level-headed, but I do sometime browse through their professional magazines. They have stories such as Increase you billing by 40% with the PetVaxx program and Ten tests your practice should do routinely I'm making these up as I don't have the magazine in front of me but the gist is the same. -Mike Weaver bob allen wrote: Marylynn Schmidt wrote: To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. if they last 7 years does that means that they work? That is, reduce the risk of transmission of a lethal disease? I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. so you don't vaccinate your animals as required by law? And by so doing you don't feel that you are putting your animals, and other animals including people at risk of a lethal disease? transmission of which can be blocked by vaccinations. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. anybody can sue anybody else for any reason under the sun. Maybe you didn't find anything because the suit was thrown out of court. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. here you are a letter ready to go: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/dr.rogers.htm seems he does vaccinations himself. In addition to our many cutting-edge services, we offer the following: * Low Cost Vaccinations... http://www.critterfixer.com/ Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Rabies Vaccine frequency. was: Bob Allen
Nuts. Bob Allen. And just a day or so it was all about me. Sigh. Andy Warhol was right. -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: Mary Quit screwing up the JTF archives by putting irrelevant subject titles on your emails. This one is about rabies vaccines, not Bob Allen. On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To answer your question about the rabies shots. Rabies shots, are required by law every three years in my state. In some states, the Vet Lobbing efforts have managed to have that law changed to every year even though the shots have been proven to last 7 years. I need to have a current certificate to get a dog licenses issued by my town. .. I cheat .. and I lay very low in tall grass. One of my dogs has seizures that I treat holistically that I can trace directly to her early rabies shots. These seizures are now fairly mild and infrequent and I have no intention of harming her any more. One file I was looking for .. and haven't found yet .. is the actual law suit filed by a Dr. Rogers, a Texas Veterinarian who filed a law suit against all other Texas Veterinarians for Theft by Fraud (and other charges) .. and listed each and every vaccine given and why, with full and accurate information, an owner would not have selected to have it administer to their pet .. .. but I believe you would be able to find it if you do a google search for Dr. Rogers in Texas - Law Suit. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
Salute Bob, I don't think the way court proceeding are conducted is a good analogy for how science is done. I wasn't thinking of court precedings when I made mention of testimonials. If you'll note, a great number of medical studies rely in part upon personal testament. Take aspirin for instance. Range of motion may be one thing. But level of pain subsidence is all together another. All rather personal and, of course, subjective. The same would have to hold true for persons who have a close existence with their pets. As the pets can't talk, at least not in the Queen's English, much reliance is made upon an owner's interaction/interpretation/understanding - transcribed as testimonial. similarly I think that requiring rabies inoculations is sound social policy. It's a speed bump at best, as are all vaccines. Some are more effective than others. We certainly haven't eradicated any maladies, despite many proclamations to the contrary over the decades. Yes, risk assessment is in the end is a subjective determination, decided by society, but hopefully guided by valid statistics. Actually, decided by a select few within the greater hall of society, rather than society in general, and all too often predicated upon politics rather than sound social benefit for the greater good. With the Bush admin being but one indicator, valid statistics is often the least of all qualifiers in the development of policy. the one word could leaves enough wiggle room for anything to be possible, hence casting a cloud over all other material therein. That cloud is more a consequence of intentional manipulation/semantics than it is a modest or moderate application of the word. Perhaps you would sense greater accuracy if the headline read creates a small percentage... rather than could? Just a wee tad curious as to where you might think the could actually came from? Thin air or documented occurances, boiled down to an editor's headline sound bite? Going the next step using your interpretational method, the same application would necessarily have to be made relative to humans who could suffer ill effects from a vaccine. Whilst such is documented fact in numerous instances with all vaccinations, the very second a physician or attendant included the word could in a disclaimer, everything would be instantly clouded - apparently enough so that all previous data (all other material therein) becomes candidate for the round file as well. If it would help Bob, I'll put in a personal word with Santa Claus this year. I could let him know that you're not such a bad chap and that you're in need of a strainer rather than a lump of coal in your Christmas stocking this year. At least that way you MIGHT avoid throwing the baby out along with the bath water next time.. Todd Swearingen good evening Todd, Appal Energy wrote: Bob, as to your post, testimonials might be good for selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums, but it does little or nothing to advance your point. U, it's collective testimonials that are oft sought out in trials. If they can be accepted en masse as evidentiary, then they shouldn't be pooh poohed as readily as you would care to. I don't think the way court proceeding are conducted is a good analogy for how science is done. When it comes to vaccinations the issue is one of cost/benefit, which ultimately will be decided by society. Just what the costs and benefits are I believe are best determined by the scientific method, rather than the squeaky wheel. the costs of vaccination, other than monetary costs for production, are harm to individuals, where as the benefits accrue to society. Individuals have died from small pox vaccinations, but small pox is no longer a global scourge due to the vaccinations. Should we as a global society not have vaccinated? I submit that many many more would have died, and would still be dying had not the small pox vaccine been deployed. Individuals have died from polio vaccinations, but I am proud to have participated as a polio pioneer and now a bunch of people alive don't know what an iron lung is, again due the blocking of transmission of a viral infection. similarly I think that requiring rabies inoculations is sound social policy. Besides, it's rather difficult to get a dog to tell you that his joint and muscle tissue feels like mush for weeks after a vaccination. that doesn't negate the need for sound data, free of preconceptions, observer bias, placebo effects etc. Short of an entire herd of animals being on death's door shortly after a vaccination, there's a high probability that testimonials play a far more significant role in this venue than in selling used cars and various and sundry nostrums. note the operative word could. I could be hit by a meteorite, and a tin foil hat might help... You could indeed be. But nobody is aiming a
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
No one wants to touch them because of fears of being sued. Zeke Yewdall wrote: If vaccines are big business being forced on us for profit, then why does no one want to actually make them. Last year, less than half of the people in the US who wanted to get flu vaccines couldn't even get them, because there was only one or two companies who produced them, and one got shut down. Wouldn't the big drug companies be falling over themselves to get into this business if there was any money to be made in it? Vaccinating someone only gets you $5, once a year for flu, or maybe $60 once every 10 years for other stuff. Better to sell them fancy patented drugs for $80 a month... On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 1890–92, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately *** http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=10963505dopt=Citation South Med J. 2000 Aug;93(8):763-7. Related Articles, Links 'Bacilli and bullets': William Osler and the antivaccination movement. Greenberg SB. Department of Medicine, Microbiology and Immunology, Baylor College of Medicine,
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
Yet they are already being sued over drugs like vioxx. Are the threats of law suits any higher for vaccines than for other drugs released with insufficient testing? On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one wants to touch them because of fears of being sued. Zeke Yewdall wrote: If vaccines are big business being forced on us for profit, then why does no one want to actually make them. Last year, less than half of the people in the US who wanted to get flu vaccines couldn't even get them, because there was only one or two companies who produced them, and one got shut down. Wouldn't the big drug companies be falling over themselves to get into this business if there was any money to be made in it? Vaccinating someone only gets you $5, once a year for flu, or maybe $60 once every 10 years for other stuff. Better to sell them fancy patented drugs for $80 a month... On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 1890–92, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately ***
Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures
This needs to be highlighted If being vaccinated protected the individual it really wouldn't matter if others were vaccinated at all .. or even sick. THAT IS WHAT BEING VACCINATED IS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT .. and now you're telling us that .. well .. maybe no .. maybe it's about something else. Forced for the common good is such a grandiose concept in the mind of those who utter loudly from the rooftops that they have the ABSOLUTE ONLY VIEW POINT THAT MATTERS and they are SO RIGHT they are willing to enforce that view point by threat of martial law and/or gun point. sort of like .. well the rest of them simply don't have the ability to understand so I must decide for them!! New England Journal of Science has had to reduce it's standards because they can no longer get an unbiased peer review on any subject because Corporations have funded through grants that affect the pocketbook of those individuals who would and/or could give a peer review. If there is an independent individual out there capable of giving an unbiased peer review one of the leading Journals of Science hasn't been able to find them. Our military was taken to court for using our troops as unknowing test subjects on experimental drugs .. the military lost. This was proven .. this was admitted .. Now Bush has requested the courts to resend their decision and allow forced vaccinations on military personal. I guess if the draft ever comes back into play, the decision to take the shot(s) or spend time in jail will become a real choice .. let's see .. take the shot and maybe spend the rest of my life in a institution having my diapers changed .. or a couple of years in jail .. In England the military has already been ordered to pay war time medical benefits to service men and women stricken with the so called Gulf War Syndrome even though some were never deployed .. they just received the vaccinations. In England at least 1 parent who was jailed after trial for killing their baby by shaking (Shaken Baby Syndrome) has been released from prison with no chance of a re-trial because it was discovered that the prosecution had withheld medical evidence that vaccination death and Shaken Baby death could not be determined. Other parents convicted of these same charges are having their cases studied with good prospects of having their convictions overturned. But in America the story is still very different. I would ask who were you planning on being the individual(s) who will be deciding these important matters for the rest of us? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] new subject line!!! was ... Overvaccinating Pets Kills and Injures Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:42:32 -0600 good evening Todd, Yes, risk assessment is in the end is a subjective determination, decided by society, but hopefully guided by valid statistics. Society has to determine how much risk to force on an individuals and their pets and for how much protection to the common good. Generally I think we (society) have done a pretty decent job of it. In terms of public health care, there is no better bang for the buck than vaccinations. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] concerning rabies vaccinations
The point was that the focus of the magazine is on how to make money - not what is neccessarily the best for the patient. I said point blank the headlines were made up. They are not real stories - merely an imperfect imitation for the purpose of illustration. I'm not a vet, and don't pretend to a credible source on what is best for animal care. I am relating that I have noticed that vet's magazines seem to be very focussed on billing and how to make more money. Appal Energy wrote: Mike, Making things up doesn't lend well to credibility. In the immortal words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen Or just try reading a Veterinary Practice Magazine. I have two friends who are vets. Both are quite level-headed, but I do sometime browse through their professional magazines. They have stories such as Increase you billing by 40% with the PetVaxx program and Ten tests your practice should do routinely I'm making these up as I don't have the magazine in front of me but the gist is the same. -Mike Weaver snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
I don't know if it's higher .. but there is Federal Funding that is being paid out to vaccine damaged and the damage generally happens while they are infants up to young children (a few in their teens but that's more unusual) while other drugs such as vioxx are taken by older people and tend to fall into law suits, either group action or individually. so really, it's coming out of different pockets and I've never heard of any actual comparison. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:07:37 -0700 Yet they are already being sued over drugs like vioxx. Are the threats of law suits any higher for vaccines than for other drugs released with insufficient testing? On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one wants to touch them because of fears of being sued. Zeke Yewdall wrote: If vaccines are big business being forced on us for profit, then why does no one want to actually make them. Last year, less than half of the people in the US who wanted to get flu vaccines couldn't even get them, because there was only one or two companies who produced them, and one got shut down. Wouldn't the big drug companies be falling over themselves to get into this business if there was any money to be made in it? Vaccinating someone only gets you $5, once a year for flu, or maybe $60 once every 10 years for other stuff. Better to sell them fancy patented drugs for $80 a month... On 12/6/05, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the
[Biofuel] Local to Global
I Quote Keith Addition's reply to Mike here as I think this needs some more discussion, Keith says Sure, if you want to play the game their way. Losing game though, that's not how biofuels wins. Three rules: local, local and local. I think that statement is really key to more than Biofuels, No single person changes a world that is not ready to change or vulnerable to a fear of a worse evil. So change only happens when people are ready for it or when they change directions due to the fear of an unknown. We are all afraid of the unknown. When we hear of something that is being done in the outside or the big out yonder we have an interest but little more than that. I heard about Biodiesel and it was interesting but I feared it was beyond me and what would the community say about it and thats where I stayed until fuel prices went to 3 bucks then I was ready to change. I found JtF and played around in secret and found out my fears were unfounded. Now as a result of that my little community has changed I have been asked to teach and have formed a small Coop with others. We are getting stronger every day and in a small town that can happen real fast. Now consider if we just learn that if we want change- then change ourselves first. Keep in mind this is just not for Biofuels, If you want to be discouraged try to get the world to change to your way of thinking by joining every group you can and give your bucks in support. If you want to be happy decide what you want to be and be it -despite what others think. It is easy to give that 50 bucks if you have it and think you have done something good but try to give that speech or help do a demonstration to help others with your interests that are your peers. I didn't say it first- but if you believe in it show it - don't be ashamed of it. Wisdom to all, Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preheating heat source - BriteLyt? Petromax
I'm only interested in using a mix in the Petromax to heat BD. I heat my house with wood anyway. I don't plan to mix gasoline with BD or HHO and use it inside - besides my furnace is gas, not that I run it if I can help it. I would like to take apart a Beckett or Riello or similar to see how it works. I'm familiar with altfurnace. You have to be very careful what you say or it really sets them off. David Miller wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: I've done some initial research but haven't delved into one. Sooner or later I'll find an oil furnace someone is throwing away and see what I can do. If I had to cut the BD with another agent to make it easier to use I would do that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Gasoline? I have 55 gallons of 99% Isopropyl alcohol - is that suitable? I'm not clear on whether you want to cut the BD for use in a backpacking stove for heating your reactor or in a modified furnace. There's a big differnce. With the camp stove you have a fairly open system, and one where the fuel is supposed to vaporize. Cutting with something fairly volatile will probably thin out the BD and make ignition much easier. Gasoline should work, as would mineral spirits, acetone, alcohol, etc. You really really don't want to mix volatiles into a closed system like a boiler or furnace. It's common when having problems with them for some fuel to puddle in the burner; something like gasoline could easily result in an explosive condition. That's my take on it at least. Check out the altfuelfurnace list at yahoo if you want more info, but know that they won't entertain any discussion of cutting with volatile liquids there at all. --- David -Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: What about the type of burners that are designed to use a liquid fuel directly rather than volatilize a liquid fuel? Like fuel oil furnaces, and waste engine oil burners. All of these I have seen are in the 100,000 Btu/hr range though -- if you could find one more like 10 or 20 kBtu, it might work well for heating the reactor. http://www.espar.com/ something like this may be able to be modified. Not cheap though. On 12/6/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
From what I've read the risk to profit ratio is is so low that big pharma is not interested. Vaccines apparently aren't very profitable. http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/vaccinelawsuits.htm Quote towards the end. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/v-lite/story/5336156p-4832504c.html Zeke Yewdall wrote: Yet they are already being sued over drugs like vioxx. Are the threats of law suits any higher for vaccines than for other drugs released with insufficient testing? On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one wants to touch them because of fears of being sued. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bob Allen -Other Vaccines during WWI - THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC
But the flu also struck in many other parts of the world that didn't get vaccines. Marylynn Schmidt wrote: THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28) Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign. .. If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen. This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns. Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly. * from my research Vaccines in use during WWI Besides smallpox vaccine, there is a history of typhoid vaccines, plague vaccines, diphtheria, rabies vaccine, tetanus antitoxin http://www.who.int/vaccines-diseases/history/history.shtml # 1885 Rabies # 1897 Plague http://www.worldpsychology.net/World%20Psychology/OriginalCorePages/marriage 8.htm 1895 Diptheria vaccination program begins. Over the period lasting until 1907, 63,249 cases of diptheria were treated with anti-toxin. Over 8,900 died, giving a fatality rate of 14%. Over the same period, 11,716 cases were not treated with anti-toxin, of which 703 died, giving a fatality rate of 6%. 1919 Diptheria vaccinations injure 60 and kill 10 in Texas. http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/05/08/story265526733.asp But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits. Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years. The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. ** http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-35678 Tetanus from the medicine, history of article The other great hazard of war that was brought under control in World War I was tetanus. This was achieved by the prophylactic injection of tetanus antitoxin into all wounded men. The serum was originally prepared by the bacteriologists Emil von Behring and Shibasaburo Kitasato in 1890–92, and the results of this first large-scale trial amply confirmed its efficacy. ... In 1897 the English bacteriologist Almroth Wright introduced a vaccine prepared from killed typhoid bacilli as a preventive of typhoid. Preliminary trials in the Indian army produced excellent results, and typhoid vaccination was adopted for the use of British troops serving in the South African War. Unfortunately, the method of administration was inadequately *** http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=10963505dopt=Citation South Med J. 2000 Aug;93(8):763-7. Related Articles, Links 'Bacilli and bullets': William Osler and the antivaccination movement. Greenberg SB. Department of Medicine, Microbiology and Immunology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. Public discourse concerning current vaccination recommendations has dramatically increased. The current battle is not new, having had a lengthy foreshadowing during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Over a 30-year period, a concerted effort to limit the use of smallpox vaccine grew at the very time typhoid vaccines were being developed and advocated for widespread prevention. As a long time advocate for widespread smallpox vaccination and a supporter of the newly tested typhoid vaccine, Sir William Osler entered the public
Re: [Biofuel] Local to Global
I agree with being local. That is the way to change things. One little block at a time. Of course, how big your local is, is dependent on how extensive your resources are. Here in the Philippines, I am up against two or three big giants trying to push biofuels in a big way but unfortunately, their efforts are short. We are also up against government, as government seems to want to get the biggest bang out of the littlest buck. I am trying to do this from a finance and investment banking point of view. What I am trying to do is to get some local businessmen interested in the project so that I get funding. I have also learned, especially in the Philippine scenario, that unless something can be economically or financially demonstratable, there will be very little support. Of course, we know that biofuels are an economically feasible option. But it does take some work and effort to educate people, to tell them the story and to ask them to put their money where it counts. In another vein, I am in a small power generation company that generates power for a small island here in the Philippines. What I have learned is that we have to fit the local conditions to what suits them. The group could have taken great big hydro-electric projects, big wind projects or the like and just plunk it in. Unfortunately, when you do that, the longevity of the project suffers. When you have a white elephant, it doesn't become a good rallying point. What we have done is to take an existing small diesel power plant that was running diesel fuel and convert it to run heavy oil. Not only does it lower the cost of power (diesel is 55% more expensive than heavy oil) but it make the economic scale manageable. Next thing for us now is to start out a biodiesel blend for the heavy fuel oil. The economic side for my investors is that this lowers the cost of environmental compliance (I'd have to put in a great big scrubber instead if not biodiesel), it ought to lower my maintenance cost and it will prod development in the area with an increase in demand for vegetable oil. Then it increase demand for power. I guess, my local way of thinking is a little off-beat, but to you its local. my two cents worth. - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Local to Global I Quote Keith Addition's reply to Mike here as I think this needs some more discussion, Keith says Sure, if you want to play the game their way. Losing game though, that's not how biofuels wins. Three rules: local, local and local. I think that statement is really key to more than Biofuels, No single person changes a world that is not ready to change or vulnerable to a fear of a worse evil. So change only happens when people are ready for it or when they change directions due to the fear of an unknown. We are all afraid of the unknown. When we hear of something that is being done in the outside or the big out yonder we have an interest but little more than that. I heard about Biodiesel and it was interesting but I feared it was beyond me and what would the community say about it and thats where I stayed until fuel prices went to 3 bucks then I was ready to change. I found JtF and played around in secret and found out my fears were unfounded. Now as a result of that my little community has changed I have been asked to teach and have formed a small Coop with others. We are getting stronger every day and in a small town that can happen real fast. Now consider if we just learn that if we want change- then change ourselves first. Keep in mind this is just not for Biofuels, If you want to be discouraged try to get the world to change to your way of thinking by joining every group you can and give your bucks in support. If you want to be happy decide what you want to be and be it -despite what others think. It is easy to give that 50 bucks if you have it and think you have done something good but try to give that speech or help do a demonstration to help others with your interests that are your peers. I didn't say it first- but if you believe in it show it - don't be ashamed of it. Wisdom to all, Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
