Re: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry

[Steve Spence]

Thank you for your kind words, Keith. That is exactly what I was talking about. 
Disagree with your politics, and you attack the person. enough vitriole, I'm 
out of here.



   ---Original Message---
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Sent: Oct 21 2004 16:49:37
   
 Steve
 
 It would take too long to go over all the posts that really blow it.
 There are so many of them. I'm going to stick with biofuels and
 related topics, and leave it to the rest of you muckrakers. I'm not
 the one who stirs stuff up, but I sure get beat over the head when I
 ocassionaly object to the stirring that goes on. You sure like it
 one sided.
 
 No, you do. You fling charges and claims about that you don't
 substantiate, when asked to substantiate them you obfuscate. Reason:
 no substance. You've done that here before. This is the truth of it:
 
 In Steve Spence's opinion, there have been half truths and hateful
 misinformationÊÊspread on this list, where many members are not only
 anti-Bush but anti-American, but since, not for the first time, he's
 unable to provide any substance for this nor any instances of it when
 challenged to do so, it's just an empty opinion, based simply on
 Steve's inability to counter views he disagrees with and objects to.
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 = = = Original message = = =
 
 There you go again Steve. (Ronald Reagan, nationally televised debate 
with
 President Carter.)
 
 You know, for a guy that doesn't have enough time to address what he 
stirs
 up, you sure do like to keep that ladle moving.
 
 Please, would you do everyone a very big service and point to the
 half-truths (plural) and misinformation that you are eluding to? And when
 you've addressed those claims, please be so kind as to zero in on what
 aspects are hateful.
 
 I would think that if you take such great acception with what others 
state
 that you would redress those statements specifically and steer clear of
 overly broad and sweeping generalizations.
 
 But then again, that type of evasiveness does serve it's purpose, doesn't
 it? Nothing wrong with a differing in beliefs. But it would be rather 
nice
 to see you put some substantiation in print.
 
 Todd Swearingen
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
 
 
  I did not imply that being anti-bush is being anti-american. But we 
have
  many on this list that are both. I don't believe I'm required to 
listen to
  one side, without speaking up for the other side once in a great while.
  Especially when I see half truths and hateful misinformation being 
spread.
  99% of my posts are of biofuel, or alternative living content. Many 
here
  post mostly political rhetoric, and although it's allowed, it does say
  something about that person. On that note, I have an busted inverter to
  repair, or we are on candle light tonight. I'm sure I'm going to get an
  inbox full of response that I won't feel like reading when I have more
  ontopic things to work on.
  
   = = = Original message = = =
  
   Steve,
  
   You have been so long on the list, that you know that the Americans 
are an
   minority. If you looked at the latest international polls, the
   international communities are quite ant-Bush. To say that if you are
   anti-Bush, you are anti-American, is a dirty blow and way under the 
belt
   and it is nothing that suggest or support such a statement. You must 
have
   a
   fairly low opinion of foreigners mental capacity, if you belive 
that we
   cannot keep our opinions about US administration policies and 
Americans in
   general apart. It is you who connects them.
  
   Hakan
  
  
   At 04:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
  you missed Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they 
have
  more sense than that ;-) which skews the polls to primarily 
democrats. I
  can't prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among 
others)
  will turn there minds to mush. My kids prefer the wings channel, 
wich I
  bet would have given completely different results.
  
  Sorry to see after three years, you still feel it's necesary to 
attack and
  drive away those with opposing (not necessarily wrong) viewpoints.
  
  somebody had to speak up, or folks will think this is the anti-bush,
  anti-american list, not the biofuel list.
  
  = = = Original message = = =
  
  Me thinks you missed the point Steve.
  
  When you say
  
Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age.
  

[Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers

[Steve Spence]

Appeal to Engineers - by V.K.DESAI

We are living in the era of engineers. Progress of science and
technology has created innumerable amenities for happy life. Much of the
comfort and luxuries created by industrial progress is due to the
dedicated efforts of thousand of engineers, technologist and scientist.
Hence, there is no exaggeration in saying that we are living in the era
of engineers of which Africa will come out as the strongest continent.

But the industrial development as seen today is not so innocent. It has
its black side also. Present industrial progress is associated with
exploitation, disparity, unemployment, poverty, centralization,
urbanization, pollution and wars also. Moreover, it makes our life more
and more complex which gives rise to tension in our routine life. In
fact, it encourages materialism and greed for luxurious life at any
cost. So if we assess the industrial progress in totality, we have to
come to the conclusion that its debit side far outweighs its credit
side. This is particularly true for a country like India.

Since centuries, we had the most scientific and well organized economic
structure based on self reliant villages. Crores of people were living
their simple life peacefully in villages. Most of the people had their
own occupation. We have damaged this sound structure heavily in the name
of industrialization. We have disturbed entire village lifestyle by
exploiting masses by breaking their occupations and by concentrating
wealth into handful of industrialists. This has created unemployment,
poverty and disparity. At present our 50 crores of villagers are living
miserable life worse than animals . They are so unfortunate that they
have to sleep with their hungry stomach every day. They are victims of
our so-called industrial development.

I feel that real reason of undesirable consequences of industrial
progress is because engineers are helpless to work for greed of money.
We give more importance to our salaries and to our prospects for our
personal happiness than to consider the impact of our work on society.

I admit that after putting in hard labour for years together to achieve
degree of engineering, we have right to expect something which may
provide us comfortable life. But I have painfully observed that matter
does not end there. Every type of greed has no end. Once engineer gets
comfortable life, he expects more and more comfort and luxuries. We
engineers, never think of the result of our work on society. We
conveniently ignore the consequences of the industrial progress which we
are making even after knowing that our efforts to manufacture certain
machinery or goods or services will result in increasing exploitation,
unemployment and poverty of masses. We are not paying any attention
towards it. We are not accepting any responsibility of increasing evils
of the industrial development. This leads to the conclusion to me that
we are selfish for our own comfortable and luxurious life. To accomplish
it, we are dedicating our entire intelligence and perseverance to foster
the centralized industrial structure, sole purpose of which is to make
profit by exploiting masses without any consideration of morality. In
this way we are cooperating in the advancement or evils in the society.
It is really deplorable that not a few engineers are found who will deny
to work where their work is ultimately going to result into evident
exploitation of masses.

We must ponder over this horrible situation. We must try to find out why
industrial progress results into horrible disparity giving handful of
people too much luxuries and to millions of people only miseries. We
must try to find out why the centralization of wealth and power takes
place due to industrial progress.

But I know that many engineers are not satisfied with their jobs. They
know that their hard labour put for earning their livelihood results
into the exploitation of masses. So they have discontent for their work.
They feel pity for masses. They have sympathy for them. But they feel
themselves helpless in the matter. They do not find any alternative.
They desire to come out of the present situation. But they do not know
how to do it. They feel some vacuum in their life. They feel lack of
morality in their work. Hence, their conscience always rebel against
their job. They are eager to help the poor people either by changing
their job or by starting their own business. But they do not know how to
do it.

I have to specially appeal to such engineers. There are hundreds of
scopes in the present day society for earning your livelihood and
helping the poor people. These vast scopes are in villages. Although our
decentralized rural economic structure has been severely damaged, it is
not completely ruined. It is still living. It is repairable. I am
optimistic that if thousands of Engineers pay enough attention to the
real needs of villages and they vow to work for villages, within two
decades only, entire village based 

Re: [Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels?

[Steve Spence]

Morris is right, Lovins has soot in his eyes.

Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels?


 Good one!
 Jonathan

 MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hydrogen or Biofuels?
 September / October 2004
 By Amory Lovins and David Morris
 Utne magazine

http://www.utne.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=utnestory.id=11334

 Two experts go head-to-head on the future of energy

 In our January-February 2004 issue, we reprinted from Alternet an
 essay by local-economy advocate David Morris, vice president of the
 Institute for Local Self-Reliance, in which he takes aim at the
 advocates of a hydrogen-based economy, asserting, among other things,
 that because large energy interests are poised to dominate the
 process of generating hydrogen from substances like gas, oil, and coal,
 the push to hydrogen will actually be a setback for renewable energy
 from wind power, biomass, and other sources. Energy analyst Amory B.
Lovins,
 CEO of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Snowmass, Colorado, and a
 prominent advocate of hydrogen fuel cell technology, responds.

 FROM AMORY LOVINS

 In voicing skepticism about the role of hydrogen in our energy future,
 my valued friend David Morris makes several points:

 He is understandably frustrated that hydrogen will initially be made
 mainly from natural gas, as 96 percent of U.S. hydrogen is now. But he
 wrongly thinks this will waste energy and increase carbon dioxide
emissions.
 Because fuel cells are two to three times more efficient than gasoline
engines,
 CO2 per mile will actually drop by 40 to 67 percent compared with today's
 gasoline cars -- and much more with efficient car designs.

 He's irritated that nuclear advocates claim they'll be the hydrogen
 producers. But they won't be -- their option costs far too much.

 He's worried that hydrogen might come from coal. This is a real
 possibility later, but by then we will have good ways to keep
 the carbon out of the air.

 Because General Motors likes fuel cells, he assumes that car and
 oil companies are preparing for an oil-based hydrogen future.
 Generally, they're not.

 He thinks hydrogen will be too costly to distribute.
 Wrong -- the Swiss study he cites [which claimed that
 the compacting of this very light and diffuse element for
 storage and transport is too costly and energy-intensive]
 considered only the clearly uneconomic options and ignored
 hydrogen's advantage of more efficient use.

 He thinks a hydrogen transition will need hundreds of billions of
 dollars of new infrastructure. This is a vast overestimate.

 He doesn't recognize hydrogen's important potential to
 accelerate the adoption of renewable energy.

 Many environmentalists suspect the Bush administration's
 enthusiasm for hydrogen serves mainly to distract attention from
 the short-term energy steps they're unwilling to take. It's
 impossible to tell from the outside whether that's true or not,
 but if it is, this self-inflicted wound is not a reason to
 reject a sound hydrogen transition as a complementary part of
 a broader energy strategy starting with aggressive efficiency,
 renewable energy, and distributed resources.

 Many other good and usually well-informed people have written
 similar critiques of hydrogen. A well-documented response,
 Twenty Hydrogen Myths, is free at http://www.rmi.org

 FROM DAVID MORRIS

 My esteemed colleague Amory Lovins and I agree and disagree.
 We both focus on the transportation sector. We both favor a
 dramatic improvement in vehicle efficiency and the
 replacement of gasoline with a domestically produced,
 environmentally benign fuel.

 We disagree on how to achieve these objectives.
 Amory advocates fuel cell vehicles that run on hydrogen.
 I propose hybrid electric vehicles fueled by electricity
 and biofuels like ethanol.

 I believe my strategy is far cheaper and far quicker to
 implement than Amory's. Hybrid vehicles, which use
 electric motors as well as an engine for power, are
 commercially available. They already achieve fuel
 efficiencies as great as those promised by fuel cell cars.
 With modest modifications, hybrids can be made to plug into
 the electric grid to charge their batteries. That allows
 electricity to become their primary fuel and reduces by some
 85 percent the amount of fuel needed by the engine.

 In turn, this allows us to think of biofuels like ethanol as
 replacements for gasoline rather than, as now, simply additives
 to it. Unlike hydrogen, ethanol is already widely available.
 Ethanol is half the price of hydrogen today and may have a
 still lower price a decade from now. Cars that operate on either
 ethanol or gasoline -- or any combination of the two -- can be
 made at an additional cost of $150 per vehicle. More than
 4 million are on the road right now. The most optimistic

Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives

[Steve Spence]

I drive 50 miles to work each way. We are 15 miles from the nearest grocery
store/shopping center, 5 miles from the nearest gas station.

Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
- Original Message - 
From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives


Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor,
as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many
car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of
say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or
attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual
miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA?
Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group

Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ramon Mendoza
Sent: 12 October 2004 01:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives


I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original
muffler and tailpipe.  Replaced the catalytic
converter 2 yrs ago.  But then this is a Southern Cali
car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000
when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of
ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for
sure.

Ramon
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it
 with the original
 muffler. Only part that went south was the locking
 flange at the manifold
 ($26.00).

 Luc
 - Original Message - 
 From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives


 
  --- Johnston, Don
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional
 to
  me,
 
  really?? is this also the experience of other
 people?
  i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on
  gasoline engines with the original exhaust and
 it's in
  good condition. and there's one with a rusted out
  muffler that has about 170k on it.
 
  and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no
 problems
  yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the
 same
  problems that gas engines experience, but i don't
  really know.
 
  all numbers are in US miles.
 
  erik
 
 
 
 
 



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Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives

[Steve Spence]

Irish Mile =  2048 meters.

mile (mi)
a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for
1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion
could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance
between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty
about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6
centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman
mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured
distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer
to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths
were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile
units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the
modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile
similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile
(1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British
Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8
furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute
mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600
meters are often called metric miles.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html

Steve Spence
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- Original Message - 
From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives


I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the
same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK
counterparts.
Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile?

Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group

Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 12 October 2004 00:17
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives


I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my
high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to
compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540
centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page:
12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same.

I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote:

 What exactly is a US mile???
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

[Steve Spence]

The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either
escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.

Steve Spence
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- Original Message - 
From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong
 and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I
 don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by
 default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am
 having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY
what
 the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results.
 I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no
snow
 quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is
 all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word**
 Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the
 information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to
 expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I
 have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter
it
 takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the
 impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the
 primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing
but
 clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank
 out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the
 Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue.

 Luc
 - Original Message - 
 From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  Dear Luc,
The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very
much.
  I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got
  about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!).  Therefore, I
have
  every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that
  you've
  had.  What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude
  (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th).
I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second
tank
  is slated for install over the next couple of weeks.  In that the old
fuel
  filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be
  advisable
  to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank
with
  new fuel lines until the summer?
 
  Thanks everyone,
 
  Joey Hundert
  Edmonton, AB
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Patrick Campbell
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
  Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this
  problem?  I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25,
  etc.?  I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if
  I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and
  that has to be done before registration so my time is
  limited.
 
  I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going
  straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel
  lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my
  stranded on my way to work.
 
  --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be
  the one right after the
  in-line filter or the second one coming out of the
  fuel filter (to the left)
  away from you as you look at it from the right side
  of the car ?
 
  Luc
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
 
 
   The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does
  have a external lift pump
   near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump.
  Make sure the return line
   isn't plugged.
  
   = = = Original message = = =
  
   Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the
  BD is such an effective
   cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in
  the tank and lines and
   they became clogged up.
   The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it
  will be fitted with new
   fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or
  replaced (only if
   necessary).
   The symptoms: the car started to resist it's
  momentum, like it was holding
   back and then releasing it's acceleration and then
  it slowly lost power
   until it came to a slow death on the side of the
  road.
   I changed the filters and started it back up and
  it ran OK for about 60 Km
   or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting
  part and went straight
   to the slow death thing. I could start it but it
  wouldn't get it's RPM up
   and died within moments indicating that there was
  resistance in the fuel
   delivery and the engine didn't like

Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen

[Steve Spence]

Government Hydrogen programs are designed to keep oil companies happy, since
that is the source of all commercial hydrogen. Anything can look economical
if enough tax subsidies are thrown at it. Business as usual.

Steve Spence
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- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen


 Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would
not worry about Mr. Bush anyway!

 Jonathan

 MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen
 in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program?


  Steve Spence wrote:
  Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything that will help us save our
Earth.

  That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't
be done,
  it's that it shouldn't be done, since they are throwing away a majority
of the
  energy they are producing, and renewables are typically much higher
priced,
  so you want to be as stingy as possible.
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Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen

[Steve Spence]

Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that
can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in
fuel taxes in your lifetime. EV's, Biodiesel, ethanol, and bio-methane are
much more practical, and also tax free. You won't be able to make hydrogen
at home, and use it in your car, without a monumental upfront system cost.
Much more than you would pay for a VW Diesel, and a lifetime's supply of
biodiesel to run it.


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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen


 YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE

 People here in the US need to take note!

 Jonathan

 Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:
 Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
 hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have
taken
 you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles ..

 But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one
 which can do 30 miles on home-produced, tax-free H2, and then make it home
 on commercial fuel.

 Note that when I say tax-free I'm thinking more about the taxes I have
 to pay on income (fed, state, unemp, socsec, etc.) than just road taxes.
 You're right that there are hidden costs in producing one's one fuel, but
 there are also a lot of hidden cost involved in working for a paycheck and
 then using net income to buy fuel.

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Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

[Steve Spence]

If the UN makes a resolution that is not in the best interests of a
particular country, then ignoring it seems like a very good idea, IF you
have the muscle to repel boarders .

The UN made resolutions that clearly were not in Iraq's best interest, but
they failed to repel boarders. What is in the best interest of one country,
very often is not in the best interest of others. Depends on your POV, and
your appetite. One hopes that a country thinks of others as well as
themselves.

Steve Spence
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From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel


 Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than
 Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the
 US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel.
 Ken
 --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that
  DOES possess WMD's,
  nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction.
  They have reperetedly
  refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona
  nuke plank is leaking
  like a sieve.
  Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and
  their infrastucture
  destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water
  polulted with depleted
  uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for
  a lot less than what
  Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress
  keeps taking money from
  AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure
  that the US continues to
  veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true
  light.
 
  Luc
  - Original Message - 
  From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to
  Israel
 
 
  
   Source: Al Jazeera
  
 
 http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B-
  
   0BF683A1B21B.htm
  
  
   US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs
  
   Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several
   Palestinians
  
   The United States will reportedly sell Israel
  nearly
   5000 smart bombs
   in one of the largest weapons deals between the
  allies
   in years.
  
   The deal could face political controversy since
  Israel
   has used such
   bombs against the Palestinians.
  
   In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne
  bomb
   meant for a senior
   Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15
   civilians in an attack in
   the Gaza Strip.
  
   The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in
  a
   Pentagon report
   made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli
  daily
   Haaretz said on
   Tuesday.
  
   Funding for the sale will come from US military
  aid to
   Israel.
  
   The bombs include airborne versions, guidance
  units,
   training bombs and
   detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing
   Israeli satellite
   used by the military.
  
   As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500
  one-tonne
   bunker-buster
   bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls,
  2500
   regular
   one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500
   quarter-tonne bombs, the
   daily said.
  
  
   Bunker bombs
  
   Known by the military designations GBU-27 or
  GBU-28,
   bunker busters
   are guided by lasers or satellites and can
  penetrate
   up to 10 metres of
   earth and concrete.
  
   Israel may already have some of the bombs for its
  F-15
   fighter jets,
   the paper reported.
  
  
  
   As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15,
  I
   would assume them
   to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of
  Jane's
   Air-Launched
   Weapons.
  
   Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on
   satellite-guided bombs, would
   boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say.
  
  
   Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker
   busters, but they are
   not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs,
  Robert
   Hewson, editor of
   Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said.
  
  
   He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991
  Gulf
   war and the more
   recent US-led invasion of Iraq .
  
   The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring
   queries to
   Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also
  declined
   to comment.
  
   The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's
   military advantages
   and ensure US strategic and tactical interests,
   Haaretz said.
  
   Bombs for neighbours?
  
   Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made,
   one-tonne
   bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike
   against Iran or
   Syria .
  
  
   A senior Israeli security source confirmed the
  Haaretz
   story saying:
   ... bunker busters could serve Israel against
  Iran ,
   or possibly Syria
   .
  
  
   Our response to any invasive measure will be
   massive, Massoud
   Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary
  Guard,
   said in Tehran .
  
   Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to
   exist, says its
   nuclear

Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!

[Steve Spence]

engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger.

Steve Spence
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From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!


 Are you just generating electricity or are you
 co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel
 engine to heat your house getting more bang for the
 buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why
 more residential or commercial co-generation plants
 aren't used, especially in the northern climes.
 Ken
 --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta 
  Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste
  Vegetable Oil. The
  Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like
  a kitten!
  Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration
  system are coming
  shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed
  in the Veggie
  tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the
  muffler installed .
  
  See the full article at
  
 
 http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_%
  26_Power_System
  
  http://tinyurl.com/52a4v
  
  
  www.green-trust.org
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

[Steve Spence]

stumbling, air blockage, rough running, and stalling.

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get
 through ( or very little of it )?
 
 Greg H.
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38
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  The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will
 either
  escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100

[Steve Spence]

It's the one coming out of the banjo bolt on top of the filter that heads
back to the fuel tank.

There are two others on top also, coming from the injectors.

Steve Spence
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after
the
 in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the
left)
 away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ?

 Luc
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 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100


  The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift
pump
  near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return
line
  isn't plugged.
 
  = = = Original message = = =
 
  Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an
effective
  cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and
  they became clogged up.
  The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with
new
  fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if
  necessary).
  The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was
holding
  back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power
  until it came to a slow death on the side of the road.
  I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60
Km
  or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went
straight
  to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM
up
  and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel
  delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled
out
  of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the
  problem, by default, is at the other end.
  Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if
  it has an electric motor pumping the fuel?
 
  Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated.
 
  Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen

[Steve Spence]

Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If
I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in
a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the
compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost  of an EV. Now why would
I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in
such a manner?


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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen


 At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote:
  Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system
that
  can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay
in
  fuel taxes in your lifetime.

 You're probably right, but so what?

 Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ
 as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics
 that rule corporate research.

 Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130
 acre  campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic
 systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all
 owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems.

 And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that
 investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to
 explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to
 community-based systems.

 Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and
 build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live
 here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't
 have to figure those personnel costs in either.

 Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up
 their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of
 welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own
 saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . .

 Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we
 love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to
 finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life.

 It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have
 for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a
 McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week,
 so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and
 learning to cook?

 Walt
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Re: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )

[Steve Spence]

My circulating tank heaters pull 1kw (there are 500 and 800 watt models). My
fuel filter pad heaters pull 68 watts.

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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )


It has been getting cooler here and we have some nights down in the 60's

I have noticed the 6.2 Blazer getting a good bit harder to start, and I am
having to hold the glow plug relay in about a full minute. All summer it
only took about 15 to 30 seconds. This morning I had to do it twice.

It looks like I may start plugging it in soon to keep it warm. Anybody have
an idea of how many watts these block heaters pull?

Wondering if it might be better to put it on a timer that goes off right
before daylight?

Then it warms in an hour or two.?

mel

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Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!

[Steve Spence]

Yes, that's me.

Steve Spence
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!


Congratulations! was that you in the picture sitting on the engine?

Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group

Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!


engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger.

Steve Spence
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- Original Message - 
From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!


 Are you just generating electricity or are you
 co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel
 engine to heat your house getting more bang for the
 buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why
 more residential or commercial co-generation plants
 aren't used, especially in the northern climes.
 Ken
 --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta 
  Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste
  Vegetable Oil. The
  Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like
  a kitten!
  Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration
  system are coming
  shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed
  in the Veggie
  tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the
  muffler installed .
 
  See the full article at
 
 
 http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_%
  26_Power_System
 
  http://tinyurl.com/52a4v
 
 
  www.green-trust.org
 
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Re: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action

[Steve Spence]

We often get filter clogs the first time bio-d is used, which is why we
install a sacrificial filter for the first few tank fills.

Steve Spence
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Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action


Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the
use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged
residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ?

Thanks.

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Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?

[Steve Spence]

Just about anything in the usa is legal, except distilling drinkable
spirits. That you need a permit for. homemade fuels for personal use have
very few restrictions.


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?


 Dear pals:
 some one wrote that he added white spirit to the Biodiesel in order to
 keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light
aromatics
 (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white
 spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter.
 Thaks, F.

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  Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations?  We
  all need help.  I appreciate those who offered help in understanding
  their US state's concerns.  We should also include other parts of the
  world.
 
  Peggy
 
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
 
  Dear pals:
  is there any one who knows the international customs code number that
  covers
  Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?.
  Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or
  seaship?
  Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas
  to
  compare with mine.
  Tks. F.
 
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  From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
 
 
  Hi Ron,
 
  I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in
  my
  old
  MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it.  I have had no
  problems
  with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April.
 
  Saul A. Juliao
 
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  Folks,
 
  I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if
  anyone
  has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel
  in
  their equipment?
 
  Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I
  believe...the
  tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in
  Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can
  burn
  biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)?
 
  Thanks,
  Ron B.
 
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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

[Steve Spence]

in a word, NO.

Say goodbye to your injectors and pump.

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From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol


 Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that
 diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running
 kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's
 illegal but I don't really care about that.
 
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  Hello Phil,
  
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  From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:09 PM
  Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing
  Government/Now ethanol
  
  
   Hello Phil
  
   Hello all!
   
   Is there anyone out there who has tried running a
  petrol motor on
   paraffin?  I know the timing needs retarding and
  that performance is
   terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very,
  very cheap.
  
   I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other
  countries. Maybe
   they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America
  they haven't spoken
   it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin
  (kerosene) fuel line
   round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I
  think that means
   hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how
  to do it, and how
   not to do it too - probably not something to chuck
  guesses at.
  
  We used to have many such engines in India called
  kero engines which were
  fitted to motorbikes, mainly because of subsidised
  kerosene. One peculiarity
  I noticed was that the engine continued to fire
  slowly and intermitently
  long after the ignition was switched off.
  
   No, you certainly didn't ever hear such a thing
  from me, definitely not,
  no.
  
   What are the environmental implications of
  burning the stuff and
   implications for engine life?
  
   Dire, probably, on both counts.
  
   Best wishes
  
   Keith
  
  
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   Burton Street,
   Grahamstown
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   fax. 046 622 3084
   cell: 084 448 1052
  
   snip
  Regards
  balaji
  
  
  
  Hello Phil!  
  
  If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth
  about how to arrange 
  a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor
  paraffin (kerosene),
  I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over
  100.000 km with two
  of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and
  waterinjection (actually
  suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the
  fuel). 
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

[Steve Spence]

from svo, or wvo?

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From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset


 Ok.  Let's leave the same proposition out there.  Creating electricity 
 from svo is a monumental waste of energy.
 
 
 On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Robert Del Bueno wrote:
 
  I never intended the use of biodiesel.
  The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils.
 
  I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh 
  of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are 
  successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue 
  to spew).
 
  Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and 
  additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use).
 
 
  At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:
  Lyle,
 
   Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's
   generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of
   perfectly good fuel?
 
  I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in 
  energy
  from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient?
 
  That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service 
  to
  you.
 
  You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however.
  Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most 
  part
  are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy 
  inputs by
  making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances.
 
  Todd Swearingen
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
 
 
   Gang,
  
   I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the
   courage to post.
  
   Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's
   generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of
   perfectly good fuel?
  
From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical
   arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on 
  grid.
  
  
   On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote:
  
Kirk,
   
Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in 
  excess
of
10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would
also be a
rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to 
  have the
top
end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point 
  there.
You're
also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal 
  of
engine
mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the 
  whole
roost.
   
Todd Swearingen
   
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From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
   
   
That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew 
  China
diesel
owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We 
  know
trucks
go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours
   
Kirk
   
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert,
   
What is the flaw I am missing?
   
You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your 
  idea work
without a storage system you would have to conduct all your 
  energy
consuming
activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best
served
by
installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as
required.
   
You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the 
  manufacturer's
estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours 
  before a
rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie 
  or
paying
the rebuild costs every second or third year.
   
Todd Swearingen
   
- Original Message -
From: Robert Del Bueno
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
   
   
So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, 
  we use
on
average about 2000kWH per month.
If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a 
  day, 30
days
a
month...
   
75Hx30kW=2250kWH ...
   
I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates 
  for
intertie
power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems
like I
could do well.
Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot 
  water
for
heating applications.
I have a steady supply of good SVO.
And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable.
I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, 
  but
will
be
applicable for future

Re: [Biofuel] HELP

[Steve Spence]

yep, that was my exceptions remark.

Steve Spence
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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] HELP


 Hi Steve,

 While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up
to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn
tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage.

 Sincerely
 Gregg Davidson

 Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The KB (solvent strength) of biodiesel is similar to #2 diesel.

 Biodiesel smells like French fries, sorta.

 No, you can't use Biodiesel in a petrol car (stock answer, exceptions
 rule).

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 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:58 PM
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 Subject: [Biofuel] HELP

 DEAR SIR
 HERE I AM ASKING FOR HELP.
 1, WHAT IS THE KB VALUE OF BIO-DIESEL?
 2, WHAT IS BIO-DIESEL SMELL LIKE?
 3,IF WE MIXED THE BIO-DIESEL WITH UNLEAD PETRO CAN THIS MIXTURE BE USING
 IN ORDINARY PERTOL ENGINE CAR?
 THANKS FOR ANYONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION
 BEST REGARDS
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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

[Steve Spence]

don't get caught with red diesel in your tank. passenger vehicles don't
usually get checked, though my buddy, Eddie, did with his diesel suburban.


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From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol


 Nothing says you couldn't do such, one thing to remember that the main
 difference is the additives, and that the slower running the Diesel engine
 is, the heavier the hydrocarbons ( and lower the cetane value of fuel )
that
 can be used, without to much problems.In theory, you could design a
 engine that ran on heavy crude oil, but, it would need to be a slow
running
 engine.

 Diesel engines that run at higher RPMs, and Diesel engines that do a lot
of
 speed changes ( low RPM / high RPM / low RPM / and high again, such as you
 find with around town driving ) needs a lighter hydrocarbon, and a higher
 cetane value for better performance.In theory a cetane value of about
 45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long
 distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil furnace
 use.

 Greg H.

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 Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 15:52
 Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol


  When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter
tractor
 fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was
dyed
 red to stop its use on the highway.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

[Steve Spence]

My Detroit Diesel is rated for 40k hours between rebuilds.

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From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset


 That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel
owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks
go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours

 Kirk

 Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Robert,

  What is the flaw I am missing?

 You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work
 without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy
consuming
 activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served
by
 installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required.

 You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's
 estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a
 rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying
 the rebuild costs every second or third year.

 Todd Swearingen

 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert Del Bueno
 To:
 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset


  So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on
  average about 2000kWH per month.
  If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30
days
 a
  month...
 
  75Hx30kW=2250kWH ...
 
  I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for
intertie
  power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I
  could do well.
  Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water
for
  heating applications.
  I have a steady supply of good SVO.
  And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable.
  I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will
 be
  applicable for future solar pv use as well.
 
  What is the flaw I am missing?
  -Rob
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

[Steve Spence]

I suspect that expecting a fuel additive to double the life of an engine
is not such a good idea.

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I suspect and believe that one could double that to 40,000 hours with
kd420, 0R ep4 combustion enhancing technology.

Don Johnston
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Sent: 08 October 2004 02:26
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset


That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China
diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We
know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours
 
Kirk

Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert,

 What is the flaw I am missing?

You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work
without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy
consuming
activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served
by
installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as
required.

You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's
estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a
rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or
paying
the rebuild costs every second or third year.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Del Bueno 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset


 So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use
on
 average about 2000kWH per month.
 If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30
days
a
 month...

 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ...

 I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for
intertie
 power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like
I
 could do well.
 Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water
for
 heating applications.
 I have a steady supply of good SVO.
 And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable.
 I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but
will
be
 applicable for future solar pv use as well.

 What is the flaw I am missing?
 -Rob

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RE: [Biofuel] HELP

[Steve Spence]

The KB (solvent strength) of biodiesel is similar to #2 diesel.

Biodiesel smells like French fries, sorta.

No, you can't use Biodiesel in a petrol car (stock answer, exceptions
rule).

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Subject: [Biofuel] HELP

DEAR SIR
HERE I AM ASKING FOR HELP.
1, WHAT IS THE KB VALUE OF BIO-DIESEL?
2, WHAT IS BIO-DIESEL SMELL LIKE?
3,IF WE MIXED THE BIO-DIESEL WITH UNLEAD PETRO CAN THIS MIXTURE BE USING
IN ORDINARY PERTOL ENGINE CAR?
THANKS FOR ANYONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION
BEST REGARDS
GORVANS
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use

[Steve Spence]

carbon tax does not equal pollution credits.


Steve Spence
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 Hi All,

 does the Carbon tax not level out playing field for renewable energy
sources as will push forwards development and grants for projects.

 Here in Ireland we currently have to pay VAT @21% on all our plant
(biomass and pellet heating systems) which makes the fossil alternative look
cheap by comparison.

 When we introduce carbon tax on use fossil we will make this technology
more attractive to all users and hence open both carbon sequestion to being
viable and economical way to generate income as well as diverting capital
away from fossil towards renewables.

 In EU fines still going ahead if Kyoto targets not reached,
 e.g. Ireland now 30% over target and facing Euro10bn fine.

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Re: [Biofuel] Dodge Cummins Fuel Hoses

[Steve Spence]

It's a '96, you don't need to change anything.

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 Hello Everyone,
 
 Forgive me (or don't) for not searching the archive first. 
 Does anyone know about the hose(s) I need to change, or be ready
 to change before running SVO or Biodiesel?  Mine is a 1996 D3500
 Cummins.  I've recently gathered nearly all the stuff I need,
 except changing the fuel hoses and stuff.  Anyone have any
 experience to share?  Thanks.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists against Bush/ U.S. can end oil use

[Steve Spence]

Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting rights
from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a little.

Carbon trading is not a good thing!


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Russia to ratify Kyoto treaty

 Putin joins fight against climate change, leaving Bush
 isolated and US cut out of carbon trading market

 Paul Brown, environment correspondent
 Oct 1, 2004
 The Guardian
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1317289,00.html

 Politicians, industry leaders and environment groups across the
 world welcomed the news last night that Russia had rejuvenated
 international efforts to combat climate change by ratifying the
 Kyoto protocol.

 President Vladimir Putin's decision isolates the US, and brings
 Russia closer economic and political ties with the European Union.

 The treaty, which commits 30 industrialised countries into legally
 binding greenhouse gas reduction targets, will kick-start a
 multibillion- pound carbon trading market, the transfer of clean
 technologies to developing countries and promote joint ventures
 with countries in the former Soviet bloc. It is also a blow to
 President George Bush who repudiated the treaty on taking office
 and has repeatedly tried to persuade Mr Putin to do the same.

 Russia's move means that US business will be cut out of the new
 carbon trading markets which have already been set up in London.
 Countries and companies in the scheme have targets to cut their
 carbon dioxide emissions. If they exceed their targets they will be
 able to sell the extra carbon saved to other countries or companies
 which have failed to do so. The market is expected to be worth tens
 of billions of pounds a year.

 Carbon trading and incentives to install renewables and other clean
 technologies in the treaty gives European companies a financial
 advantage in joint trading agreements with former Eastern bloc and
 developing countries.

 Because of the collapse of Russia's economy in the early 1990s,
 London traders estimated yesterday that Mr Putin's government has
 $10bn (about £5.5bn) of carbon credits to sell on the international
 markets to countries which cannot meet their own targets.

 A flurry of international excitement about Kyoto began yesterday after
 the Russian cabinet announced that it had prepared the papers to
 ratify the treaty and was forwarding them to the Russian parliament,
 or Duma, for ratification. Since Mr Putin's United Russia party
 controls two-thirds of the Duma, and he directed the cabinet to act,
 ratification is seen as a virtual certainty.

 The Kyoto protocol, negotiated in 1997, ties those countries of the
 industrialised world which have signed up to it into carbon dioxide
 reductions of around 5% on 1990 levels.

 Scientists say that cuts of 60% are needed across the world to avoid
 runaway climate change, mass extinctions and catastrophic sea
 level rise.

 However, the treaty was only seen as a first step, and when the first
 cuts are implemented by 2010 the process is expected to continue,
 setting tougher targets for 2020.

 Making a major speech on climate change two weeks ago, Tony
 Blair emphasised the need to begin thinking beyond 2010 to bring
 China and India into the process of reducing greenhouse gases. He
 has already said he will make climate change his priority for his
 presidency of the G8 next year.

 The executive secretary of the UN Climate Change Convention, Joke
 Waller-Hunter, said: President Putin has given an inspiring signal
 to the international community. By giving industry, local authorities
 and consumers incentives to take action on climate change, Russia
 and the 29 other industrialised countries that have joined the
 protocol will set themselves on a path to greater economic
 efficiency.

 Margaret Beckett, the environment secretary, described it as a
 crucial step forward. As far as the US was concerned it opened up
 a different vista. The US has long since assumed that Kyoto was
 dead but it is not. There will be voices in US industry saying 'we are
 missing out here'. It is early to say where this will lead but this will
 make a considerable difference.

 The protocol is a legally binding addition to the 1992 climate change
 convention. The EU as a whole is committed to an 8% reduction on
 greenhouse gas emissions on 1990 levels by 2010 and is
 struggling to reach the target. Some countries will have to buy in
 carbon from countries such as Russia which have credits to spare.

 The UK, which has a 12.5% reduction target, is on course to exceed
 this by about 3% but is unlikely to sell any spare carbon, saving up
 any extra credits for the next negotiating period to 2020.


 EMS UPDATE - Sept 30, 2004


 KYOTO CLEARS LAST HURDLE

 The Russian cabinet approved 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use

[Steve Spence]

Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient  use of
renewable fuels is a good thing.

advancing efficient  use of  fossil fuels is only temporary step to
eliminating them.

trading pollution credits does not make the above happen. If I'm doing the
right thing, why should I trade those credits to allow someone else to do
the wrong thing. That cancels out the good I've done. I'll tell you what,
I'll vote for Kerry, so that you can vote for bush .




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From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists
againstBush/U.S. can end oil use


  Steve Spence wrote:
  Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting
rights
  from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a
little.
 
  Carbon trading is not a good thing!


  Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient
  use of renewable and fossil fuels is not a good trade off
  regarding climate change?


   Russia to ratify Kyoto treaty
 
   Putin joins fight against climate change, leaving Bush
   isolated and US cut out of carbon trading market
 
   Paul Brown, environment correspondent
   Oct 1, 2004
   The Guardian
   http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1317289,00.html
  SNIP
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  EMS UPDATE - Sept 30, 2004
 
 
  KYOTO CLEARS LAST HURDLE
 
  The Russian cabinet approved the ratification of the Kyoto global
warming
  treaty today.  Russia's ratification means the Kyoto Protocol will enter
  into force as an internationally binding treaty in 2005.
 
  The treaty must still win the approval of Russia's lower parliament
house,
  but that is considered a virtual certainty.
 
  News stories  press releases:  http://www.ems.org
 
 
  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 
  SCIENTISTS BEGIN TOUR TO OPPOSE BUSH
 
  Scientists and Engineers for Change, a group that includes 10 Nobel
  laureates, has begun a tour to battleground states to highlight the
misuse
  of science by the Bush administration.
 
  I am not a Democrat and I have never played a significant role in
  politics, said Dr. Douglas Osheroff, a Nobel-winning professor of
physics
  at Stanford who is a part of the group. We must begin to address
climate
  change now. To do so, we must have an administration that listens to the
  scientific community, not one that manipulates and minimizes scientific
  input.
 
  Tour stops are scheduled for Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New
  Mexico, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oregon, Virginia and Wisconsin.
 
  Press release, news:  http://www.ems.org
 
 
  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 
  STUDY: U.S. CAN END OIL USE
 
  A Pentagon-cofunded blueprint for making the United States oil-free,
  released September 20 by the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), finds that
by
  2015 the United States can save more oil than it gets from the Persian
  Gulf -- and can eliminate its oil use altogether by 2050. The plan
achieves
  a net cost savings for the United States and does not require taxation
or
  regulation.
 
  The plan, Winning the Oil Endgame: Innovation for Profits, Jobs, and
  Security, would eliminate half of U.S. oil use through improved
efficiency,
  and the other half through the use of biofuels and natural gas.
 
  Because saving and substituting oil costs less than buying it, our
study
  finds a net savings of $70 billion a year, said RMI CEO Amory Lovins.
 
  More:  http://www.ems.org
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists

[Steve Spence]

Most all of us would sic like to have a section on the ballot that
says Neither candidate is suitable.  Please try again.

I like that. Thank you!

- Original Message - 
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists


 Hello Enthusiasts,
 
 There are sections of this recent post from Robert that are so powerful
 that they need to be repeated.  I read it several times and excuse me
 for highlighting what I consider as important elements, but here goes...
 
 Alfred E. Newman debates Farmer John.  I changed some of the wording
 to suit my frame of mind and added a few paragraphs.  Sometimes three
 people in a post are confusing.  Too bad we can't use different colors
 to understand who is talking.
 
 And it is true that... Many Americans believe that we act with the
 world's best interest in mind.  It all started in school and church.
 Our beliefs can't change without replacing them with a new belief.
 Therefore, when we rip out a deeply imbedded belief, we need a new one
 to pop into its place.  This is basic to human nature
 
 Those of us who live most anywhere else sic have very little say in
 national politics, as the candidates are essentially chosen for us by
 the political system on the east coast.  I watched the debate in stunned
 amazement that Mickey Mouse and Dopey are both vying for the
 opportunity to sic feed their egos as king of the country for a short
 while.  Nuclear or not...there are so many different issues that are too
 federally controlled.
 
 Most all of us would sic like to have a section on the ballot that
 says Neither candidate is suitable.  Please try again.
 
  But let's back on biofuel subject : at last Kyoto protocol has been 
  ratified and the US industry will be obliged to make efforts to
 compete 
  with more virtuous companies especially in Europe. It should be good
 for 
  the planet...and the americans who are living on. Despite their
 government.
 
 This next statement does not make sense... especially when applied to
 rural economic development.  Returning the power back to the farmers for
 self-sufficiency and producing an excess to sell to others is agreeable.
 I will meet with both Department of Ag and Department of Energy people
 from a western state in a couple of weeks.  They are ready, willing, and
 able to help start-up people and this is not BIG BUSINESS or
 industry.  This is a community project that is intended to be cloned
 throughout the state.  And it is biomass focused on waste materials.  No
 fertilizers or pesticides involved!!!
 
  Biofuel is suspected to be a carbon wells but with a bad ecological 
  balance when produced even from organic and extensive agriculture if
 far 
  from consumption places and if the fuel needs heavy process.
 
 We have discussed this problem at length in this forum.  Regional and 
 community level energy resource development must follow after 
 conservation, otherwise, we'll end up with Big Agribusiness displacing 
 Big Oil.
 
  One of the only ecologicaly interresting way right now is in a short 
  circuit meaning local organic production of vegetal oil and local 
  consumption in basic diesel motors (or more efficient special built
 ones)
 
 So why can't you guys understand that there are two players in the
 biofuels arena.  Biodiesel and Fuel Ethanol.  Fuel ethanol is quite
 legal in most places and can utilize waste materials.  I sound like a
 broken record, but the premises is that many SMALL PRODUCTION FACILITIES
 can do more ultimate good than the huge facilities supported by the
 government.  And we intend to prove this again and again and again.  I
 hope to set up a web site soon.  All it takes is time and money and/ or
 a little know how.
 
 You have your finger on an important principle.  As you describe
 
 further on, sometimes government gets in the way of such progress. 
 This is true in Canada as well.  I cannot produce ethanol for my 
 vehicle where I live.  It's illegal to do so.  I'm allowed to waste a 
 lot of electricity making hydrogen from the grid (and run my vehicle 
 on H2), but I'm not permitted to distill ethanol.  There are farms all 
 over the valley where I live that simply burn their agricultural 
 residue and pollute the air (rather than gasifying it for energy), 
 but I can't aid in cleaning the airshed by burning ethanol in my truck.
 
 And you mentioned two important things in this paragraph.  First, our
 system to make fuel ethanol runs on cellulosic waste.  And second, our
 system comes with a generator that produces electricity.  What you do
 with that electricity is your business.  You can sell it back to the
 electrical company or use it for your own purposes...even to produce
 hydrogen, if you like.  Perhaps you should be working toward legalizing
 fuel ethanol at this time.  And when you are ready to set up a real
 system and do some real good, we can help.
 
 Peggy
 
 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/ U.S. can end oil use

[Steve Spence]

Global SO2 limits were attained (and were they strict enough?), or was the
pollution just shoved somewhere else?

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Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:54 AM
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 Steve Spence wrote:
  Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting
rights
  from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a
little.
 
  Carbon trading is not a good thing!

 I disagree. Cap and trade market programs have proven successful in the
 past. Witness the success of the SO2 credit market in the US. Attainment
 of SO2 limits has been achieved at lower cost and more quickly than
 expected.

 http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/articles/clearingtheair.pdf

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Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel

[Steve Spence]

try some veggie with alcohol.

Steve Spence
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RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios

[Steve Spence]

I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much
he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it .

Steve Spence

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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:23 AM
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Guys, I discussed the issue of 'known oil reserves' with Ray Noble, who
is in charge of the UK's BP SOLAR Programme. I raised the issue that the
'reserve window' kept expanding, ie when the oil companies were down to
20-25 years 'known' reserves, all of a sudden they found more, and
consequently the known reserve window expands to a new time horizon. Ray
acknowledged that this used to be the case but affirmed that all the
major oil companies now knew where ALL the oil and gas was, and that
there was no more to be found, it was simply a matter of how easy ,or
how expensive it was going to be to extract from each reserve.
 He then went on to affirm that, and I try to quote from memory, 'that
BP does not expect to be selling petrol, diesel, or LPG on its station
forecourts by 2035, it expects to be selling hydrogen.'.
I have absolutely no wish to upset this biodiesel fraternity,
but note that he did not say to me that BP expects to be selling
biodiesel. This was only a couple of years ago.curious. 

Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group

Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards
2002

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Sent: 30 September 2004 15:14
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Subject: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios


DieselNet UPDATE
September 2004
http://www.dieselnet.com/


US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the US Department of 
Energy (DOE) has released a study that examined long-term supply 
scenarios for world petroleum. Under the most likely scenario-- 
assuming a 2% annual growth rate for world's oil demand and the mean 
value for the amount of oil reserves--the study predicts that 
petroleum production will reach its peak in 2037.

The study is a re-release of an oil supply prognosis originally 
published in July 2000, prompted in part by the increasing fuel 
prices in the USA. There has been no new information or developments 
that would significantly alter the year 2000 results, stated the EIA. 
The study is based on estimates of world's oil resources by the US 
Geological Survey. The EIA estimated that the world's growth in oil 
demand will be 1.9% through 2025.

The critical event in world oil production will be when it reaches 
its peak. The following decline in oil production would leave some 
oil demand unsatisfied, likely leading to significant price 
increases. The date of the peak depends on the rate of demand growth 
and assumed reserves. Twelve scenarios were examined in the study, 
for different oil demand growth rate (0-3%) and different oil 
reserves. The potential dates for the peak oil production ranged from 
2021 to 2112.

Only conventionally reservoired crude oil reserves were analyzed in 
the study. Additional petroleum supply is expected from 
unconventional sources. Commercial production has already started 
from such sources as the Canadian tar sands and Venezuelan heavy oils.

While the EIA analysis is less alarming than some other reports, its 
authors noted that the results do not justify complacency about both 
supply- and demand-side research and development.

The EIA also prepares short-term energy outlook reports, published 
monthly. In the most recent September issue, the EIA revised the 
projected world oil demand growth for 2004 to 3.2% (from a previous 
prediction of 2.5%) above the 2003 demand. Strong demand from China 
accounts for much of the upward revision. Global oil demand growth in 
2005 is expected to slow down to 2.4% due to the increased oil prices.

Long term outlook:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/wor 
ldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html

Short term outlook:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/contents.html
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RE: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel

[Steve Spence]

My '83 vw rabbit does, but my Detroit Diesel generator does not.

Steve Spence
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:52 PM
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It is my understanding that ALL diesels need a glow plug ignition of
some
sort.
Luc
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 i have an old italian compression diesel here (500cc) , a no runner at
the
 moment , would biodiesel work in it or do i need an ignition source
 (glowplug)

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RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios

[Steve Spence]

1. reserves until they are depleted
2. pollutants can be separated

Those two statements are greatly deserving of thought.

Steve Spence


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Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios

 I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much
 he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it .

 Steve Spence


Steve,

If its the UK you are referring to, how about their unused inferior coal
reserves until they are depleted? Laid-off coal miners would be happy
for
work again and pollutants can be separated from the stream BEFORE the
energy is consumed, unlike trying to capture pollants post combustion as
in conventional coal burning.

Try these links for more:
http://www.zeca.org/
http://www.princeton.edu/~chm333/2002/fall/co_two/minerals/zec.htm#_ftn4
http://www.aig.asn.au/News_2003/zero_emissions.htm

The above concept is just that...conceptual.
One article said the two disadvantages of using coal are:
1) transport and storage of the hydrogen after production--this would
be
the case for any hydrogen production process that would be for vehicle
use, I suspect.

2) 'scarring' of the earth surface from surface mining ('open cast' for
the Europeans). This has largely become a non-issue when government
regulations are strictly enforced. First hand observation in Wyoming's
Powder River Basin and the Buelah area in North Dakota can attest to
that.

Ron B.
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Johnston, Don
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:23 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios

 Guys, I discussed the issue of 'known oil reserves' with Ray Noble,
who
 is in charge of the UK's BP SOLAR Programme. I raised the issue that
the
 'reserve window' kept expanding, ie when the oil companies were down
to
 20-25 years 'known' reserves, all of a sudden they found more, and
 consequently the known reserve window expands to a new time horizon.
Ray
 acknowledged that this used to be the case but affirmed that all the
 major oil companies now knew where ALL the oil and gas was, and that
 there was no more to be found, it was simply a matter of how easy ,or
 how expensive it was going to be to extract from each reserve.
  He then went on to affirm that, and I try to quote from memory, 'that
 BP does not expect to be selling petrol, diesel, or LPG on its station
 forecourts by 2035, it expects to be selling hydrogen.'.
   I have absolutely no wish to upset this biodiesel fraternity,
 but note that he did not say to me that BP expects to be selling
 biodiesel. This was only a couple of years ago.curious.

 Don Johnston
 Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
 Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group

 Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards
 2002

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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen

[Steve Spence]

At $10 / GGE equivalent, I just bet buyers will be lining up to get their
fill ...

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Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen


Solar hydrogen - energy of the future
 26 August 2004
 http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/adv/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogen.html
   A team of Australian scientists predicts that a revolutionary new way to
harness
 the power of the sun to extract clean and almost unlimited energy supplies
from
 water will be a reality within seven years.
   Solar hydrogen, Professor Sorrell argues, is not incompatible with coal.
 It can be used to produce solar methanol, which produces less carbon
dioxide
 than conventional methods. As a mid-term energy carrier it has a lot to
say
 for it, he says


 New Process Could Help Make Hydrogen Fuel Affordable
 Stephanie Peatling in Sydney for National Geographic News
 August 27, 2004

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0827_040827_hydrogen_energy.html

 Scientists in Australia say they have have made a breakthrough in
 the efficiency of using sunlight to generate hydrogen from water.
 It may be a step toward an affordable source of clean energy.

 A renewable source of energy to replace the world's declining fossil
 fuel reserves is perhaps the scientific community's holy grail.
 Hydrogen is all around us. It is seen by many as the cleanest and
 most efficient fuel for powering everything from vehicles to
 furnaces and air-conditioning-if only we can find an affordable
 way to harness it.

 Now two researchers in Australia say they have made substantial
 progress. Scientists have known for a long time how to split water
 into its two elements, oxygen and hydrogen. But the problem is that
 the process requires electricity-typically derived from fossil
 fuels-which makes the process counterproductive and expensive.

 Janusz Nowotny and Charles Sorrell are researchers from the
 Centre for Materials Research in Energy Conversion at the
 University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. They have
 been looking for an economical way to use titanium dioxide to act
 as a catalyst to split water into oxygen and hydrogen-using solar
 energy.

 The Stuff of Toothpaste

 Titanium dioxide (TiO2) is widely used as a white pigment in paint,
 paper, cosmetics, sunscreens, and toothpastes. It is found in its
 purest form in rutile, a beach sand but is also extracted from
 certain ores. Rio Tinto, a mining company that produces titanium
 oxide, helps fund Nowotny's and Sorrell's research.

 Nowotny and Sorrell announced their breakthrough today at the
 International Conference on Materials for Hydrogen Energy, hosted
 by the University of New South Wales in Sydney. They believe
 they have found a way to considerably improve the productivity of
 the solar hydrogen process (using sunlight to extract hydrogen
 from water) using a device made out of titanium dioxide.

 This is potentially huge, with a market the size of all the existing
 markets for coal, oil, and gas combined,'' Nowotny said in a news
 statement released ahead of the conference. Based on our research
 results, we know we are on the right track.

 Although Australia's sunny climate makes it an ideal place to
 generate solar energy, Sorrell said the technology could be used
 anywhere in the world.

 It's been the dream of many people for a long time to develop it,
 and it's exciting to know it's within such close reach, Sorrell said.

 Honda-Fujishima Effect

 The Australians' research has not been tested yet by other
 scientists, although the findings were applauded by the pioneers of
 the solar hydrogen process, Akira Fujishima and Kenichi Honda.

 In 1967 the Japanese scientists discovered that titanium dioxide
 could be used to extract hydrogen from water in a process that has
 become known as the Honda-Fujishima effect. The finding was
 reported in the journal Nature and led to numerous awards,
 including the 2004 Japan Prize in the category
 Chemical Technology for the Environment.

 Hydrogen is very simple but very efficient,'' said Fujishima,
 who is also in Sydney for today's conference. We must keep
 working hard on it.''

 Since the 1967 discovery much research has focused on the
 materials that might be used to split water with sunlight.

 Fujishima, chairman of the Kanagawa Academy of Science and
 Technology, says using titanium dioxide as a catalyst means
 energy production will result in cleaner air, cleaner water,
 and a cleaner atmosphere.

 Many Years to Hydrogen Power

 The world is still a long way off from large-scale conversion from
 fossil fuels to hydrogen for its energy needs. For one thing, the
 Honda-Fujishima effect, even if it is greatly enhanced by the
 research breakthrough announced today, still has to be adapted into
 devices that can be used on a commercially viable scale. Engineers
 will have to design fuel cells that collect sunlight from 

[Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!

[Steve Spence]

The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta 
Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The
Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten!
Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming
shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie
tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed .

See the full article at

http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_%
26_Power_System

http://tinyurl.com/52a4v


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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

[Steve Spence]

Environmental problems for kerosene (paraffin to you, we think paraffin is
something you can jellies with) are the same as gasoline and diesel. It's a
finite fossil fuel that produces pollution and green house gases.

Why not do yourself a favor, and run ethanol in that petrol engine, or get a
diesel and run biodiesel or veggie oil.



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Hello all!

Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin?
I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here
in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap.

What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and
implications for engine life?

Phil Rendel
English Department
Kingswood College,
Burton Street,
Grahamstown
tel. 046 603 6600
fax. 046 622 3084
cell: 084 448 1052


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Ken.

Please take a look at
http://www.eesi.org/programs/agriculture/Energy%20Balance%20update.htm
on Biofuels: energy balance.
Hans

Very nice too Hans, thanks.

There's also this:

http://www.mda.state.mn.us/Ethanol/balance.html
Energy Balance/Life Cycle Inventory for Ethanol, Biodiesel and Petroleum
Fuels

And a whole lot more here:

http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
Is ethanol energy-efficient?

Best

Keith


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   The reason the government is promoting ethanol
   production is because of the farm lobby. In general
   the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
   fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
   distill ethanol require the input of more energy than
   is obtained from the ethanol produced.
   Ken
  ==
  Sorry Ken, but your data is about 24 years behind the times. I believe
it
  was a 1980 paper from Cornell U. or something similiar, that mentioned
  that ethanol was energy negative. Some things never want to die.
 
  I remember stopping in Madison Wisconsin to gas up on my way to Chicago
a
  few years ago. I pulled into a gas station and the gas station attendant
  noticed my Minnesota lic. plates (read: 10% ethanol). He proudly
  proclaimed that his gas had none of that worthless ethanol in it. I
asked
  him what his feelings were about ethanol and he said it ruins engines. I
  said, Reeeally, I have over 200,000 miles on my truck and never had a
  problem with the engine. He then asked me for the money owed for the
gas
  and that was the end of that. 8~)
 
  Maybe ethanol isn't going to reduce oil dependency, but it will replace
  the use of Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE). I believe 3.3 billion
  gallons yearly of ethanol are being produced now. To replace all the
nasty
  MTBE put in gas in the USA, they'll need another 11-12 billion gallons
of
  ethanol for a 10% mix.
 
  When people live in California where MTBE is manufactured and they have
to
  quit using it and ship in tank cars of ethanolthey will complain.
  What's surprising is that California politicians that scream about
taking
  care of the environment also don't want to ban the nasty MTBE and resort
  to importing ethanol. Let them eat cake.
 
  Ron B.

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Re: [Biofuel] good reading

[Steve Spence]

That 1980 Mercedes we converted this weekend was one of the nicest examples
of an old car  that I have seen  in a while. No rust, not a lot of
clutter, easy  to work  on.

Only 26 mpg, but it's a  wagon, and heavy. With free veggie, the mpg isn't
as critical.


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] good reading



 --- tommy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Here is a good reading piece if your wondering about
  why it's pretty much a waste to try to get those
  Cheap running junkers working and focus on new
  tech
  engines.

 Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed reading it.
 But I disagree with your conclusions. As nice as a new
 diesel is I am still going to keep my 23 year old audi
 diesel. Once you consider that I only have about $500
 into it not counting fuel or oil changes and that it
 gets 50 mpg I don't see how the new ones are any
 better. But of course they're much fancier, with all
 the electronics and latest options. The new ones will
 also blow mine off the road for speed and power. But
 those don't concern me. I know that for a lot of
 people they are very important, and those are the ones
 that I would try to talk into getting a newer one.

 The old ones also use very simple technology, which
 for me means that I can fix it all myself without
 taking it in. Not including the injection pump, of
 course. (Though I do have the computer scanners to be
 able to do everything on the newer ones as well, but
 that's cause it's what I do. Just saying that most
 people can work on the older ones and the newer ones
 become harder and more complicated.)

 I'm all for diesels. I love them. And the new ones
 have a lot of nice advantages. I really wish that with
 20+ years of technology advancements it would have
 that much better fuel mileage than mine, but they just
 don't. I just don't see all that as a reason to
 abandon the old ones. If I can at all I will drive
 these old tech ones for many years more. The only
 thing I see stopping me is them getting wrecked.

 Just my opinion, of course.

 Erik


 
  This tech is what the Big fuel petro industrial
  fuel
  suppliers will get the gov to back instead of
  bio-fuel, keeping themselves in the loop
 
  http://www.boschusa.com/dieselvoice.pdf
 
 
 




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Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll

[Steve Spence]

Yes, that is the party line. It's not true, or rather doesn't have to be
true, but anything can be done badly. The US Farm industry has swallowed the
line that huge amounts of pesticides, chemical fertilizers, and irrigation
must be used to make plastic crops.

Many farmers have bucked the system, and gone back to farming methods  from
100 years ago  and have found that their yields have improved, the quality
of the product has improved, and their expenses have dropped. Let nature
work with you instead of fighting it.


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 The reason the government is promoting ethanol
 production is because of the farm lobby. In general
 the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
 fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
 distill ethanol require the input of more energy than
 is obtained from the ethanol produced.
 Ken
 --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   SNIP
   I would love to be able
   to present a results focused paper for
  consideration.  That is where
   the real power in change lies--not in who is
  elected and dancing to
   perceived public opinion.
  
   Peggy
 
 
Kerry Pledges to Help Struggling Rural
  Communities
Achieve Economic Sustainability
   
 
 http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34769
 
 
 
   I find it interesting that a number of states such
  as Minnesota,
   Iowa, Wisconsin, North  South Dakota, California,
  Nebraska to
   name few around the USA have introduced alternative
  biofuel
   such as ethanol into not only the government
  transportation mix
   but also to the public which may have had something
  to do with
   public opinion or was there some other reasons for
  it.
 
   A previous Subject: Re: [biofuel] 81% of US support
  Climate Stewardship Act
   Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004
   http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm
 
   indicates to me which candidate for POTUS would
  likely take more interest
   in biofuels - the Bush Cheney oil administration
  -or- Kerry Edwards.
 
 Public support is also strong for using tax
  incentives to encourage
 utility companies to use cleaner energy
  technologies and car-buyers
 to purchase more energy-efficient cars, according
  to the survey,
 which was conducted by the University of
  Maryland's Program on
 International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).
 
 Moreover, slightly more than half of respondents
  (52 percent) said
 a candidate's support for the cutting emissions
  would incline them
 more to vote for them in November, while only 14
  percent said that
 such support would make them less inclined to
  vote for him.
 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has
  endorsed the bill,
 officially known as the Climate Stewardship Act
  (CSA), while
 President George W. Bush opposes it.
 
 Nearly two-thirds of respondents (64 percent)
  said they would want
 their member of Congress to support the Kyoto
  Protocol, which is
 also supported by Kerry but opposed by Bush.
 
   This News Archive http://www.bbibiofuels.com/news/
   might be of interest but probably not for the small
  producer.
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Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input

[Steve Spence]

Always check the packaging. I have a box of the naphtha variety sitting next
to me (in a ziplock baggy).


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input


 a particular caution is that modern mothballs are no longer naphthalene,
 but rather para-dicholorobenzene, combustion of which results in large
 amounts of hydrogen chloride formation- definitely not good for anything
 metallic.

 Steve Spence wrote:

 moth balls (naphtha) have been put in air cleaners for added oomph, but I
 wouldn't recommend it.
 
 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
 
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 This method of cleaning out the crud  sounds similar to a  technique
used
 up here in Canada for cleaning out the soot from an oil fired stove in a
 fishing ice hut.  Start the oil stove, bring it up to a hot heat, then
 throw in a dozen moth balls.  The stove will then start sucking in as
much
 are as possible and will suddenly start making a wolfing sound.  It
tends
 to start moving up and down a little (the stove).   At this point you
 
 
 leave
 
 
 the hut and watch the soot come flying out of the chimney or the stove
 blows up.  I have seen it done several times, the stove and the chimney
 both seem to be cleaned out nicely.
 
 Scary, and dangerous ...  oh well could not help it
 
 Saul A. Juliao
 
 Andres Yver wrote:
 
 
 
 On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 05:06 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
 
 
 
 How about what Ed Beggs calls an Italian tune-up? (Pardon me Ed.)
 What's the general opinion of Italian tune-ups anyway?
 
 
 Usually done to carburetted gasoline engines. Idea is that the high
 revs create large volume flow through the system, burning/blowing out
 any accumulated crud and carbon from your carbs, intake, combustion
 chamber, and exhaust system. Can attest to it's efficacy on a number of
 old Alfas and Jags. Fun to do. The technique is to accelerate up to
 about 9/10ths of redline, hold it there about 20 seconds, and lift off
 gradually. Shut off without idling as soon as possible afterwards.
 
 Don't do this to an engine that is in poor shape, low on oil, timing
 belt/chain past due replacement, or has damaged motor mounts. You could
 break expensive bits.
 
 andres
 
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Re: [Biofuel] veggiegen conversion (was Kerry preferred around World - Poll)

[Steve Spence]

The generator arrived yesterday while we were converting a Mercedes Benz
300td for cold weather operation. We will be using the typical two tank
heater system. I have two 35 gallon white poly tanks, 1 for diesel, one for
veggie oil. both will be heated (propane preheat, engine heat primary) as
temps drop to 40 to 50 below around here at  times. We expect to burn about
15 gallons of wvo daily.


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 Steve,

 I would contribute a donation for that.

 What was the outcome on the Genset ? What method did you use or try ?

 Carl


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 Sep 2004 17:50:37 -0400
 
 They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
 
 
   Since most of the world is more socialist than
   democratic and does not like the US way of life in the
   first place, of course they would want the candidate
   that would be most destructive to the US.
  
   Just my opinion!
   Wayne
  
   --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Most countries want Kerry in White House
 Sep 9, 2004
   
   
   http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2
   
   
 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35
countries want Democratic
 party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House,
according to a survey
 released Wednesday showing US President George W
Bush rebuffed by
 all of America's traditional allies.
   
 On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than
a two-to-one margin
 - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan
Inc, a global
 research firm, and the local University of
Maryland, showed.
   
 Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said
Steven Kull,
 the university's program on international policy
attitudes.
 Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win
handily if
 the people of the world were to elect the US
president.
   
 The only countries where Bush was preferred in the
poll covering
 a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and
August were
 the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland.  India and
Thailand were
 divided.
   
 The margin of error in the survey covering all
regions of the
 world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five
percent.
   
 Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's
traditional allies,
 including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's
seven percent),
 Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64
percent to five percent),
 the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy
(58 percent to 14 percent)
 and Spain (45 percent to seven percent).
   
 Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is
Bush's closest ally
 in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent
47 percent to 16 percent.
   
 Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by
61 percent to Bush's 16 percent
 and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent.
Even among countries that have
 contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and
said that their view of US
 foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush.
   
 They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy,
the Netherlands, the
 Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan,
Norway and Spain.
   
 Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had
affected their feelings towards
 the United States, a majority of those polled in 31
countries said it made them
 feel worse about America, while those in only
three countries said it had made
 them feel better.
   
 Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the
strength of the view that
 US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in
countries contributing
 troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug
Miller.
   
 In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally,
Polland, where he was
 preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent
against Kerry's 26 percent.
 Another new European ally, the Czech Republic,
however went for Kerry
 (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58
percent to 10 percent).
   
 Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still
did better.
 Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was
preferred by
 clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12
percent) and
 Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent).  But those
polled were
 divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33
percent

Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set

[Steve Spence]

We were finishing a Mercedes WVO install today, when our Detroit Diesel
generator arrived, so that will be the next WVO conversion we do. It's also
scheduled to be a cogen unit, heating our hot water.

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set


 Quoting Keith Denson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Hello All,
 any information regarding buying,converting and running a
  generator on WVO
 Would be greatly appreciated.
  Regards
  Keith Denson.


 Hi Keith,

 I have two small diesel engines that we are going to use to drive DC
alternators
 to back up our solar system. We run our cars on bio that we make ourselves
from
 used cooking oil and our small diesels will be on it too. Straight veggie
oil
 will work, but I recommend you run some bio through your engines now and
then to
 clean the coking off of the injectors that will come from running
straight
 oil, ESPECIALLY if they are under light load.

 GO FOR IT!!!

 Take Care

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Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate

[Steve Spence]

Dear Hubby, Dear Heart, or designated hitter ...

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate


 Hallo Kim,

 Wednesday, 15 September, 2004, 08:28:57, you wrote:


 KGT My DH will be on vacation next week,
 ...snip...

 I  have  seen  the initials DH used on this and other lists.  Around
 here  calling  someone  a DH is not meant to be either flattering or
 endearing  so  I am guessing that it does not mean the same thing when
 used online.  Would you please enlighten me? :o) Thank you kindly.

 Happy Happy,

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Re: [Biofuel] help me

[Steve Spence]

You can make your own ethanol .

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Subject: [Biofuel] help me


 hy. 
 My name is Dan and i`m from Bucharest, Romania -that
 explains my bad english.
 I have a very big problem. I like the idea with
 biodiesel, i get all the stuff and ingredients that i
 need, but i can`t get methanol.
 Why? Because here in Romania took place some accidents
 caused by bad handleing and storeing of methanol.
 After this accidents the authoryties are asking a lot
 of lycences to buy metthanol.
 Can you help me with a substitute for methanol, or
 with a way of makeing my own methanol?
 thank you very much.
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll

[Steve Spence]

They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets?

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll 


 Since most of the world is more socialist than
 democratic and does not like the US way of life in the
 first place, of course they would want the candidate
 that would be most destructive to the US. 
 
 Just my opinion!
 Wayne
 
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   Most countries want Kerry in White House 
   Sep 9, 2004 
  
 
 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2
  
  
   WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35
  countries want Democratic
   party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House,
  according to a survey
   released Wednesday showing US President George W
  Bush rebuffed by
   all of America's traditional allies. 
  
   On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than
  a two-to-one margin
   - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan
  Inc, a global
   research firm, and the local University of
  Maryland, showed. 
  
   Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said
  Steven Kull,
   the university's program on international policy
  attitudes. 
   Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win
  handily if
   the people of the world were to elect the US
  president. 
  
   The only countries where Bush was preferred in the
  poll covering
   a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and
  August were
   the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland.  India and
  Thailand were
   divided. 
  
   The margin of error in the survey covering all
  regions of the
   world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five
  percent. 
  
   Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's
  traditional allies,
   including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's
  seven percent),
   Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64
  percent to five percent),
   the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy
  (58 percent to 14 percent)
   and Spain (45 percent to seven percent).
  
   Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is
  Bush's closest ally
   in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent
  47 percent to 16 percent.
  
   Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by
  61 percent to Bush's 16 percent
   and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent.
  Even among countries that have
   contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and
  said that their view of US
   foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush.
  
   They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy,
  the Netherlands, the
   Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan,
  Norway and Spain.
  
   Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had
  affected their feelings towards
   the United States, a majority of those polled in 31
  countries said it made them
   feel worse about America, while those in only
  three countries said it had made
   them feel better.
  
   Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the
  strength of the view that
   US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in
  countries contributing
   troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug
  Miller.
  
   In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally,
  Polland, where he was
   preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent
  against Kerry's 26 percent.
   Another new European ally, the Czech Republic,
  however went for Kerry
   (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58
  percent to 10 percent).
  
   Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still
  did better.
   Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was
  preferred by
   clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12
  percent) and
   Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent).  But those
  polled were
   divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33
  percent) and
   Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent).
  
   Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine
  countries polled.
   In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority
  -
   Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the
   Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent)
   - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. 
  
  
  
   Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide
   Poll finds him preferred around world
   by Thomas Crampton 
   September 8, 2004 by the International Herald
  Tribune 
   http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm
 Another pattern that became apparent in studying
  the data was that those people with
   higher education and more income were more strongly
  in favor of Kerry, Kull said.  
 Those at the top of world society are more
  negative towards Bush than those at the
   bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is
  that those who have the most
   access to information tend be more negative towards
  Bush than those with less
   access to information... 
  
  
   Perhaps this Global Poll of 32 Nations PROVES that
   Kerry Will Rally Allies and Restore Global 

Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input

[Steve Spence]

moth balls (naphtha) have been put in air cleaners for added oomph, but I
wouldn't recommend it.

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 Hi all,

 This method of cleaning out the crud  sounds similar to a  technique used
 up here in Canada for cleaning out the soot from an oil fired stove in a
 fishing ice hut.  Start the oil stove, bring it up to a hot heat, then
 throw in a dozen moth balls.  The stove will then start sucking in as much
 are as possible and will suddenly start making a wolfing sound.  It tends
 to start moving up and down a little (the stove).   At this point you
leave
 the hut and watch the soot come flying out of the chimney or the stove
 blows up.  I have seen it done several times, the stove and the chimney
 both seem to be cleaned out nicely.

 Scary, and dangerous ...  oh well could not help it

 Saul A. Juliao

 Andres Yver wrote:

  On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 05:06 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
 
   How about what Ed Beggs calls an Italian tune-up? (Pardon me Ed.)
   What's the general opinion of Italian tune-ups anyway?
 
  Usually done to carburetted gasoline engines. Idea is that the high
  revs create large volume flow through the system, burning/blowing out
  any accumulated crud and carbon from your carbs, intake, combustion
  chamber, and exhaust system. Can attest to it's efficacy on a number of
  old Alfas and Jags. Fun to do. The technique is to accelerate up to
  about 9/10ths of redline, hold it there about 20 seconds, and lift off
  gradually. Shut off without idling as soon as possible afterwards.
 
  Don't do this to an engine that is in poor shape, low on oil, timing
  belt/chain past due replacement, or has damaged motor mounts. You could
  break expensive bits.
 
  andres
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll

[Steve Spence]

We here in upstate NY are heavy corn producers, but nobody told us we were
supposed to irrigate. Must be the 40 of annual precipitation, of which 35
is snow ;-)


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   I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota,
   Iowa, Wisconsin, North  South Dakota, California, Nebraska to
   name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel
   such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix
   but also to the public which may have had something to do with
   public opinion or was there some other reasons for it.
 
 Hello MH,

 Below is a link that shows maize (corn) production in tabular and graphic
 form (both worldwide and by state). The information shows how the states
 you mention, are leaders in corn production. I believe Wisconsin is a more
 recent entry in the push for ethanol in comparison to Minnesota, Iowa,
 Illinois, and Nebraska. Eastern South Dakota is a major corn production
 area and a large plant was recently constructed at Aurora (100 miilion
 gallons per year). Railroad trainloads of ethanol are shipped eastward to
 the Hudson River in the state of New York and then barged downriver to the
 New York City area markets. Nebraska is a leader by using water
 irrigation.

 There is also a table showing the top Wisconsin County corn producers.

 Government involvement has helped this push. For example, Minnesota allows
 tax breaks (incentives, whatever) for farmer invested ethanol plants.
 Large corporate investors need not apply. One half of all ethanol
 production in the USA is from farmer owned co-ops.

 Here's the link:
 http://corn.agronomy.wisc.edu/FISC/Corn/Corn.htm

 Here is a link showing an inventory of ethanol plants in the USA:
 http://www.ethanol.org/productionlist.htm

 Here is the home page link that talks about ethanol production. They
 mention other crops, but with corn production as an established, mature
 crop (machinery, storage facilities, transportation options, etc)...it was
 easy to introduce corn into the cycle:
 http://www.ethanol.org/

 Ron B.
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[biofuel] Steve rides a Segway

[Steve Spence]

I took my daughter to college this weekend. She's attending SNHU, 
and while we were getting her stuff unpacked, security rode by on a 
Segway. Naturally, I was curious about the device, so I stopped him 
and asked him questions about it. You know, how do you like it, is 
it really worth the mondo bucks that were spent, etc. He asked me if 
I'd like to ride it, which of course was a silly question, of course 
I did. So I did. I liked it. It was cool. Took about 45 seconds to 
get the hang of leaning back and forward to make it go without 
jerking around like a lunatic. Would I spend a few grand on one? 
Hey, it's cool, but not practical enough to me to be worth $3000.

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[biofuel] The VeggieGen is coming!

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Green-Trust's combined heat  power system is under construction.
The core of the system is a Detroit Diesel 2-71 12.5kw water cooled
diesel generator provided by Affordable Power. This is fueled with a
veggie oil conversion system by Greasel. The cooling system pre-
heats our domestic hot water (propane primary) with a heat
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[biofuel] Green-trust.org is back online!

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After much angst and wrangling, Green-trust.org (http://www.green-
trust.org) is back online, with a new interface, new features (Blog, 
encyclopedia, discussion boards, link exchange, and much more), and 
a new Host (ISP)! All the old content is archived, and major 
sections of it is being re-written, and will be posted back online. 
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[biofuel] Re: Our new off grid home

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Upstste NY, Near the Canadian border.

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 Where in the world have you taken up the challenge of living off 
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   Subject: [biofuel] Our new off grid home
 
 
   I have exciting news to share. Today we closed on our off
   grid home in 5 acres of woods. PV, Wind, Rain Water filled 
Cistern,
   Veggie Oil powered VW Rabbit generator, wood heat, etc. 
Paradise! I 
   will be sharing photo's and construction articles as we expand 
and 
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the 
   first order of business.
 
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[biofuel] Catastrophe has hit!

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Steve and Linda need help, please see http://www.green-trust.org for 
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[biofuel] Our new off grid home

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I have exciting news to share. Today we closed on our off
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[biofuel] Fw: WISCONSIN TEAM ENGINEERS HYDROGEN FROM BIOMASS

[Steve Spence]

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Subject: WISCONSIN TEAM ENGINEERS HYDROGEN FROM BIOMASS


 WISCONSIN TEAM ENGINEERS HYDROGEN FROM BIOMASS



 http://www.news.wisc.edu/releases/7766.html
 MADISON - In the search for a nonpolluting energy source, hydrogen is
often
 cited as a potential source of unlimited clean power. But hydrogen is only
 as clean as the process used to make it. Currently, most hydrogen is made
 from fossil fuels like natural gas using multi-step and high-temperature
 processes.

 Now, chemical engineers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have
 developed a new process that produces hydrogen fuel from plants. This
source
 of hydrogen is non-toxic, non-flammable and can be safely transported in
the
 form of sugars.

 Writing this week (Aug. 29) in the journal Nature, research scientist
Randy
 Cortright, graduate student Rupali Davda and professor James Dumesic
 describe a process by which glucose, the same energy source used by most
 plants and animals, is converted to hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and gaseous
 alkanes with hydrogen constituting 50 percent of the products. More
refined
 molecules such as ethylene glycol and methanol are almost completely
 converted to hydrogen and carbon dioxide.

 The process should be greenhouse-gas neutral, says Cortright. Carbon
 dioxide is produced as a byproduct, but the plant biomass grown for
hydrogen
 production will fix and store the carbon dioxide released the previous
 year.

 Glucose is manufactured in vast quantities -- for example, in the form of
 corn syrup -- from corn starch, but can also be made from sugar beets, or
 low-cost biomass waste streams like paper mill sludge, cheese whey, corn
 stover or wood waste.

 While hydrogen yields are higher for more refined molecules, Dumesic says
 glucose derived from waste biomass is likely to be the more practical
 candidate for cost effectively generating power.

 We believe we can make improvements to the catalyst and reactor design
that
 will increase the amount of hydrogen we get from glucose, says Dumesic.
 The alkane byproduct could be used to power an internal combustion engine
 or a solid-oxide fuel cell. Very little additional energy would be
required
 to drive the process.

 Because the Wisconsin process occurs in a liquid phase at low reaction
 temperatures (227 degrees C., 440 degrees F.) the hydrogen is made without
 the need to vaporize water. That represents a major energy savings
compared
 to ethanol production or other conventional methods for producing hydrogen
 from fossil fuels based on vapor-phase, steam-reforming processes.

 In addition, the low reaction temperatures result in very low carbon
 monoxide (CO) concentrations, making it possible to generate
fuel-cell-grade
 hydrogen in a single-step process. The lack of CO in the hydrogen fuel
 clears a major obstacle to reliable fuel cell operation. CO poisons the
 electrode surfaces of low-temperature hydrogen fuel cells.

 At current hydrogen yields, the team estimates the process could cost
 effectively generate electrical power. That, according to the Wisconsin
 researchers, assumes a low-cost biomass waste stream can be efficiently
 processed and fed into the system.

 To be truly useful, the team says several process improvements must first
be
 made. The platinum-based catalyst that drives the reaction is expensive
and
 new combinations of catalysts and reactor configurations are needed to
 obtain higher hydrogen yields from more concentrated solutions of sugars.
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[biofuel] Problem #8: How much wood do I need?

[Steve Spence]

Continuing the series, started with Problem #1: How Much Does Heat 
Cost?,
Problem # 8 How Much Wood Do I Need? Gives further information for
calculating How much wood is needed to heat a dwelling. Stay tuned 
for
Problem #9, which will deal with heat exchangers.

The purpose of this exercise is to learn how to calculate the amount 
of wood
we need, given some information about the weather, the wood burning 
stove
and the wood that's available.  Predicting how much wood we'll need 
in any
given situation, such as how much wood to stack for the winter, is 
always a
risky endeavor.  Any calculations we make are based on best 
guesses.  It is
prudent to always err on the conservative side.  It's better, and a 
lot less
costly, to have an extra cord of wood in the spring than to run out 
of wood
in the middle of a harsh winter, unless of course, you like to cut 
and split
wood in the winter.

http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/howmuchwood.htm
http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/heatcost.htm

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[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel from fish oil or algae

[Steve Spence]

I've got a bunch of back channel communications with the Unisea 
folks on the polymerisation issue, and current progress. Will keep 
all updated. None of this is ready for backyarders, until 
someone breaks the code. I will be posting all the info I scrape 
up in order to help anyone who wants to try it.


--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Steve
 
 Use Fish Oil or Algae for making Biodiesel. Read how the US Navy
 will be producing their own biodiesel. Get the scoop on a variety 
of
 biofuel technologies. Check out
 http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
 
 We recently discussed using fish oil for biodiesel, and the pdf 
file 
 on UniSea's project in Alaska was mentioned then:
 http://www.aidea.org/Unisea.pdf
 
 Discussion here:
 http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=29516list=BIOFUEL
 
 The assessment of any impacts on the engines' operability and 
 maintainability will not be completed until after test operations 
 conclude in October 2002. Results to date have been very 
encouraging, 
 however, with no apparent adverse effects on the engines.
 
 More than a year ago, and nothing since.
 
 Fish oil has a high iodine value - sardine oil: 185, that's higher 
 than linseed or tung oil. That means it's a drying oil, it 
 polymerises: the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like 
 solid. Biodiesel made from fish oil will also polymerise. See: 
 Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine
 
 So maybe they use it quickly, before it dries. I didn't find 
anything 
 in that UniSea file about iodine values, drying, or polymerization.
 
 I think, Steve, if you're going to encourage people to make 
biodiesel 
 from fish oil, it needs a warning that it might polymerize.
 
 There's also been previous list discussion of UniSea and their 
 project, lots of info here, with discussion on fish fat etc.:
 http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?
view=12829list=biofuelrelated=1
 
 Biodiesel from algae is not a ready-to-use technology, certainly 
not 
 for backyarders, it needs more work for that. List members have 
 investigated it, run up against problems for practical 
application, 
 and abandoned the idea; some have tried it but never reported any 
 results. That's not to say it's not worth further investigation, 
of 
 course it is, but it's not yet a viable technique people can use.
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
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[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel from fish oil or algae

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Use Fish Oil or Algae for making Biodiesel. Read how the US Navy 
will be producing their own biodiesel. Get the scoop on a variety of 
biofuel technologies. Check out 
http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm

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[biofuel] Biodiesel from fish oil or algae

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will be producing their own biodiesel. Get the scoop on a variety of 
biofuel technologies. Check out 
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[biofuel] Problem #1: How much does heat cost?

[Steve Spence]

Calculating and Comparing the Cost of Heat

We've all heard the adage You have to spend money to make money.  
The real
trick lies in how you spend your money.  Would you rather spend 
$100.00 for
electrical energy or $100.00 for a cord of wood?  Well, it depends 
on what
you get for $100.00.  If we limit our discussion to buying heat and 
assume a
cord of wood costs $100.00, how much heat will a cord of wood 
produce and
how much heat can we buy from the electric company for $100.00?

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[biofuel] Re: Joshua Tickell is having an event in San Francisco 7/26/03

[Steve Spence]

It was clearly promoted as a fund raiser for veggievan. Any 
expectations beyond that was a miss on someone's part.

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Excuse me?
 
 People invited to lend support to an effort are assessed as
 
 wheeze[ing] off his juice ??
 
 Surely I heard that wrong.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:22 AM
 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Joshua Tickell is having an event in San 
Francisco
 7/26/03
 
 
  Well, it was a advertised and promoted as a fund raiser for his
  upcoming movie. As such, it met it's billing. It was also 
designed
  to get non-biofuel folks aware of biodiesel. In that regard it 
was
  very successful. Other than the few individuals that expected to
  wheeze off his juice, I have read many good reports. We have too
  little number of folks in this movement to allow infighting and
  bickering . Look at the big picture, we all want biofuels to 
succeed.
 
 
 
   --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   tag1les wrote:
   
I'm going to this tomorrow, I'll let everybody know how it 
went!
   
   And so?
   
   Best
   
   Keith
  
   He doesn't reply. But other people have commented in various
  places,
   not too good it seems. :-(
  
   This is a cross-post from the berkeleybiodiesel list (other 
posts
   I've seen were more caustic than this):
  
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: Jon Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:58:04 -
   Subject: [berkeleybiodiesel] Re: so how was the cell space 
event?
   
   Here are my thoughts on the cell space event.  Warning:  Not 
for
  the
   weak of heart.
   
   First of all, it was a really disappointing event.  I was 
almost
   emotionally overwhelmed at how disappointed I was, and I went
  into it
   with as open a mind as I could muster.
   
   I will try to be specific.  I am speaking for me and not Nick,
  though
   we largely agreed on everything about it.
   
   We went into it thinking it would be some sort of a community
  forum.
   It wasn't.  It was a Josh Tickell info-mercial.  He has made a
  short
   documentary called The Veggie Van Voyage which was a montague 
of
  news
   clips on his historic trip across the country (with his former
   partner Kaia edited 100% out), which is being sold on CD for 
$20
  to
   raise money for a full length feature on BD that he hopes to 
make
   over the next couple of years.  (And the clips named the
  production
   process as extremly safe and immediatly flashed to a 
picture of
   methanol and lye with no mention of the hazards of each). The
   separate promo piece for the future film looked bland.  This 
is a
   film that hasnt even begun that Josh and Lindsay are calling 
an
   excellent film and the most important thing for the Biodiesel
   movement.  Well, in defense of them, Lindsay probably did say
  that it
   was a fundraiser for Josh and I didnt really listen.  I 
imagine
  they
   took in $2000 (less costs).  I dont know how much of that 
James
  got
   for the SF coop.  Throughout the time I attended the event, I 
just
   kept thinking, Josh, those 15 minutes are up.
   
   Nick and I went into it thinking there would be other 
literature
  on
   biodiesel, we were just going to supplement what Lindsay had
  already
   organized.  I thought this because I thought there was tacit
   agreement that there has to be paper handouts at these types 
of
   events, that the organizer would make sure there was, and our
  contact
   with Lindsay was so tentative and last minute that she 
couldn't
   possibly be counting on us to provide it.
   Well, except for promo pieces for Josh Tickell (the book, the
   documentary we were shown that night, etc) there was 
nothing.  We
   were it, and we didnt have much.  So I do think its good that 
we
   attended the event.
   
   The event started at 7:00.  Nick and I packed up and left at 
9:00.
   (leaving literature there for people to take that Hope says 
was
  all
   taken.) There were still about 100 people there, including 
Dave,
   Randall, Kumar, Russ Teal.  According to Hope, who showed up 
right
   after Nick and I left, she was not able to speak until after
  10:15,
   to a croud of 15 people.  She got about a minute I think she 
said.
   James of the fledgling SF coop likewise.  The other players 
Im not
   even sure if they were introduced.  I bring this up because I 
feel
   like it was insanely disrespectful of Lindsay Hassett to 
invite
  all
   these people to speak and then not even acknowledge their 
presence
   until after three hours of Josh Tickell and various acts 
(rap
  song
   on BD, etc).
   
   As far as I could tell, the only SF Biofuels Coop presence was
  James.
   
   The following I am saying as an individual, and am sending the
  same
   information to Lindsay as feedback in the spirit

[biofuels-biz] Biofuel Event Calendar

[Steve Spence]

See some of the upcoming events around the world at
http://www.veggievan.org/calendar/

If you have an event, and would like it listed, please visit
http://www.veggievan.org/phorm/calendar.html

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[biofuel] Re: Blaster worm

[Steve Spence]

If you have a firewall, and have unneeeded ports shut down (as you 
should) this worm cannot get through. I use a linksys cable/dsl 
router firewall, that costs about $60

also, keep completely up to date at windowsupdate.microsoft.com, and 
you will be unaffected by this.


--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Todd,
 
 A worm does not necessarily need to be activated in
 a special way that I could be able to identify, it
 scans Internet by IP and when it find a computer with
 the right weaknesses in the operating system it can
 modify it. The execution is then depended on when
 and how the operating system will execute that part
 of it. and when that happens it is in business. Could
 for example be next time you start up after a shut
 down or execute a periodic maintenance routine etc.
 
 Hakan
 
 
 At 10:50 PM 8/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
 Hakan,
 
 How did you activate this worm?
 
 Todd Swearingen
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:34 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] Blaster worm
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 Look out for the Blaster worm, I got it and it is spreading fast. 
Thought
 that some info could help someone. You can see it since it 
generate
 network traffic and if you look at processes it is called 
msblaster.
 
 It attack,
 
   Microsoft¨ Windows NT¨ 4.0
   Microsoft Windows¨ 2000
   Microsoft Windows XP
   Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003
 
 to avoid it you should install a MS patch,
 
 http://microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
 
 If you got it, info and clean up first with,
 
 
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.
worm.htm
 l
 
 It does not spread through email, it is a worm and if you do not 
have it,
 install
 the MS patch. I think that this one will spread fast.
 
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[biofuel] Re: Newbie with thoughts

[Steve Spence]

The modifications you mention are only necessary if you want to run 
vegetable oil. no mods are necessary if you run biodiesel. See the 
FAQ at http://www.veggievan.org/faq/

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Johs Kleppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am very new at this bio fuel stuff but as the greenhouse effect 
is hanging right over my head I think it is time to think different 
and start running my old diesel on bio fuel instead of fuel we dig 
up from the ground.
 
 After some light reading I have come to these conclusions and 
please correct me on this. I have probably misunderstood totally‰ù¼ 
Here they are... I can run my diesel 2,5 turbo on bio fuel if:
 
 1. I heat up the fuel line the diesel pump and the injectors to 60 
Celsius +. 
 
 2. Filter the fuel with a 10 micron filter and a water filter. 
 
 3. Use a feeding pump from the tank that is able to pump the oil 
from the tank even if it is thick as butter.
 
 So what about using the diesel Webasto (a powerful diesel engine 
pre-heating unit) to do this work before starting the engine instead 
of having 2 fuel tanks? It should take less then 5 min. (?)
 
 If this is true I could use bio-fuel or ordinary diesel as I 
please to in the same tank.
 
 
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[biofuel] Re: Lawn mower on ethanol ?

[Steve Spence]

Everclear is only 195 proof ($17 / 750ml). 200 would be anhydrous, 
and doesn't like to stay that way. Everclear makes great fuel, but 
at that price?

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Chicago Medi-Transit 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Does also apply for scooters that have 2 stroke
 engines? 
 
 Another question is can Everclear (Liquor), which is
 pure grain alcohol 200 proof, be used as fuel? 
 
 
 JG
 --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello friends,
  
  My lawn mower goes on petrol.
  Can I just put methanol or ethanol in the tank, or
  do I have to modify the
  engine ? How ?
  The ethanol I have is 99% pure.
  The methanol I have is 95% pure.
  
  Met vriendelijke groeten,
  Pieter Koole
  Netherlands.
  
  Hello Pieter
  
  Is it 2-stroke or 4-stroke?
  
  Anyway, both ethanol and methanol are quite
  corrosive, especially 
  methanol - you should be okay with ethanol. You only
  need such pure 
  ethanol if you're going to mix it with gasoline (or
  make ethyl 
  esters!). If you're using it neat, 160-proof and up
  will be fine 
  (80%).
  
  If it's a two-stroke, try using biodiesel with the
  ethanol instead of 
  2-stroke oil, we've had good reports.
  
  Either way you'll have to enlarge the main jet.
  
  How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl
  Alcohol Use -- Mother 
  Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual. Biofuels Library:
 
 
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me2.h
tml
  
  The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of
  Alcohol Fuel
  Chapter 3
  UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS
  Biofuels Library:
 
 
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.ht
ml
  
  How To Modify Your Car To Run On Alcohol Fuel:
  Guidelines for 
  converting gasoline engines (With Specific
  Instructions for 
  Air-Cooled Volkswagens) by Roger Lippman, April
  1982 -- Five-chapter 
  online book:
  http://terrasol.home.igc.org/alky/alky.htm
  
  Sorry that this is all second-hand information -
  we'll be producing 
  ethanol here quite soon and using it in two-stroke
  engines, but 
  haven't quite got that far yet.
  
  regards
  
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[biofuel] Biofuel Event Calendar

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See some of the upcoming events around the world at
http://www.veggievan.org/calendar/

If you have an event, and would like it listed, please visit
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[biofuel] Building a barrel stove hot water heater

[Steve Spence]

When I read Fire and Water, by Art Sussman and Richard Frazier, on 
this web site (www.green-trust.org), I decided I had to build one of 
these things.  It helped that I already had a barrel stove. The 
whole project started with an attempt to cut down a very large 
monthly electric bill, especially in the winter.   This approach 
appealed to me because it was lo-tech, simple and relatively 
inexpensive.  

I used the information contained in the article as a guide and built 
the barrel stove hot water heater described below.  I am pleased to 
say that it works as advertised.   So far the cost for the system, 
as illustrated in Figure 1, is less than $200.00.  I expect to save 
at least $50.00 per month by operating it every 2nd or 3rd  day for 
hot water in the summer.  In the winter it will run continuously 
when I expect to save more than $200.00 per month for heat and hot 
water.  Not counting my labor and research, that's a pretty good 
investment.  

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[biofuels-biz] Fields of Fuel FUNdraiser

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Fields of Fuel FUNdraiser

Acclaimed biodiesel expert and filmmaker Joshua Tickell will hold a
fundraiser for his upcoming feature documentary Fields of Fuel.
Tickell will be joined by a host of other biodiesel personalities 
including event M.C. Betty Biodiesel known in the Bay Area for her 
Biofuels 4 Schools Program and Charris Ford, biodiesel activist and 
star of Rocky Mountain Film Fest's winning environmental 
documentary, French Fries to Go.  The FUNdraiser will be a 
compilation of short films, music and skits on the subject of 
biodiesel, a fuel made from any type of vegetable oil.

Famous for his Veggie Van USA Tours in the late 1990's
(www.VeggieVan.org), Joshua Tickell has been working with biodiesel
fuel since he saw it on a farm in Germany in 1996. After two tours in
his Veggie Van and a book (From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The
Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel), 
Tickell settled on making the film. It's the only way to create a 
critical mass around biodiesel, he says.

Tickell will show his short film The Veggie Van Voyage; Charris Ford
will present French Fries to Go; Several local musicians will 
perform; Tickell will give a biodiesel slide show; there will be a 
raffle of cool prizes from local businesses, and a public forum to 
discuss biodiesel.  The goal of the benefit is to raise $20,000, 
enough for the film crew of Fields of Fuel, to complete their first 
leg of filming through Europe.

Tickets are available at the event or advance purchase online at
www.VeggieVan.org. For more information, email
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[biofuel] Fields of Fuel FUNdraiser

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Fields of Fuel FUNdraiser

Acclaimed biodiesel expert and filmmaker Joshua Tickell will hold a
fundraiser for his upcoming feature documentary Fields of Fuel.
Tickell will be joined by a host of other biodiesel personalities 
including event M.C. Betty Biodiesel known in the Bay Area for her 
Biofuels 4 Schools Program and Charris Ford, biodiesel activist and 
star of Rocky Mountain Film Fest's winning environmental 
documentary, French Fries to Go.  The FUNdraiser will be a 
compilation of short films, music and skits on the subject of 
biodiesel, a fuel made from any type of vegetable oil.

Famous for his Veggie Van USA Tours in the late 1990's
(www.VeggieVan.org), Joshua Tickell has been working with biodiesel
fuel since he saw it on a farm in Germany in 1996. After two tours in
his Veggie Van and a book (From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The
Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel), 
Tickell settled on making the film. It's the only way to create a 
critical mass around biodiesel, he says.

Tickell will show his short film The Veggie Van Voyage; Charris Ford
will present French Fries to Go; Several local musicians will 
perform; Tickell will give a biodiesel slide show; there will be a 
raffle of cool prizes from local businesses, and a public forum to 
discuss biodiesel.  The goal of the benefit is to raise $20,000, 
enough for the film crew of Fields of Fuel, to complete their first 
leg of filming through Europe.

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[biofuel] Re: SVO conversion on VW Dasher

[Steve Spence]

http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/yohn/ pretty much 
explains how it all works. parts are available from your local auto 
parts store and plumbing house.



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 I came by your list while searching for methods of converting 
diesel 
 vehicles to run on SVO.  I am looking for advice on a DIY 
conversion, 
 by salvaging and purchasing individual parts.  I looked into the 
pre-
 made kits available on various internet sites, but it is pretty 
cost 
 prohibitive.
 
 The car is a 1980 VW Dasher with 218,000 miles on it.  I was given 
 the car two days ago, and I am currently making small repairs.  I 
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[biofuels-biz] Totally New Veggievan Website

[Steve Spence]

Wow, what a fantastic change. More renewable energy resources than 
ever! The vegetable oil fueled van and datsun 240z are rolling!

I was a kid living a dream. Fueled by the vision of a sustainable 
future, I traveled the country in a van powered by biodiesel fuel I 
made from used cooking oil. After CNN, Discovery and the Today Show, 
after the cult hit book and the emails, I created The Veggie Van 
Organization. 

Its mission: Create positive social change through action-oriented 
education about biodiesel fuel. 
 
- Joshua Tickell 

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[biofuel] Totally New Veggievan Website

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Wow, what a fantastic change. More renewable energy resources than 
ever! The vegetable oil fueled van and datsun 240z are rolling!

I was a kid living a dream. Fueled by the vision of a sustainable 
future, I traveled the country in a van powered by biodiesel fuel I 
made from used cooking oil. After CNN, Discovery and the Today Show, 
after the cult hit book and the emails, I created The Veggie Van 
Organization. 

Its mission: Create positive social change through action-oriented 
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[biofuels-biz] Re: [The Future of Humanity] RE: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.

[Steve Spence]

Yep. I specifically told him the oil becomes less viscous with heat. Oh
well.

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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: [The Future of Humanity] RE: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car
Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.


 Did you catch the part about when the vegetable oil becomes more
 viscous in the heater? Reporterese strikes again.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 wastewatts; vegoil-diesel; sustainablenrg; homeenergysolutions; future9;
 EcoPages_Newswire; BiomassGroup; bio-oil; alternatepower; biofuels-biz;
 BFIC; 3rdworldenergy; Biofuel - Egroups; Biodiesel - Egroups
 Subject: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil,
 Flip Switch and Go.



 http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm

 Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go. By CHRIS
 DIXON


 LOS ANGELES, April 21 - I wouldn't do this to a $30,000 car unless I
 was confident that it would work.

 With that, John Lin, owner of a Los Angeles fast-food franchise, opened
 the door of an opulent white Ford Excursion.

 Powered by a seven-liter turbo-diesel engine that delivers just 13 miles
 a gallon, this oversize S.U.V. seemed the quintessential
 environmentalist's target. Yet soon, Mr. Lin will be paying less to fuel
 it than he would pay if he owned a Toyota Prius, which supplements
 gasoline with electricity. As an added benefit, he will sharply reduce
 the pollution.

 Mr. Lin will not use a radical new mileage-boosting technology, but
 rather he will use simple vegetable oil, the same cheap, plentiful and
 clean-burning fuel that Rudolf Diesel used to power his first engine at
 the 1900 Paris World's Fair.

 Normally, a restaurateur like Mr. Lin would have to pay someone to haul
 off the 10 gallons of vegetable oil used each day in his fryers. The oil
 would be dumped in a landfill, or perhaps used in animal feed. Instead,
 Mr. Lin will filter his oil and pour it into a heated auxiliary tank on
 the Excursion.

 He will then start the vehicle on regular diesel, and after a few
 minutes, when the vegetable oil becomes more viscous in the heater, a
 manual switch will direct it to the diesel engine. From there, the only
 detectable difference will be the faint odor of French fries, and a
 noticeable lack of diesel stench.

 The change in odor, however, is not the only benefit to be gained. In
 1998, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory released a study on a
 fuel called biodiesel. Essentially vegetable oil with methanol and lye
 added to aid cold-weather flow and remove glycerin, biodiesel results in
 fewer harmful emissions than petroleum-based diesel.

 Carbon monoxide emissions are reduced by 43 percent, hydrocarbons by 56
 percent, particulates by 55 percent and sulfurs, a particular problem
 with petroleum diesel, are reduced by 100 percent.

 Typically, biodiesel fuel costs at least as much as regular diesel. But
 straight vegetable oil is essentially free; Mr. Lin says most restaurant
 owners are more than happy to get rid of it. And unlike biodiesel, it
 does not require methanol and lye. It does, however, require a fairly
 simple conversion system that consists of a vegetable oil tank and a
 fuel heater.

 A couple of years ago, after much online research, Mr. Lin bought a 1983
 Mercedes 300SD Turbodiesel for $3,000 and got in touch with a diesel
 enthusiast, Charlie Anderson. Mr. Anderson, a farmer in Drury, Mo., had
 just founded a company called Greasel. For $500, Mr. Anderson sold Mr.
 Lin one of his first vegetable-oil-to-diesel conversion kits and coached
 Mr. Lin on installing it.

 I said, If it blows up, it blows up, Mr. Lin said, and I'm only out
 $3,000. But I installed the system, flipped the switch, and sure enough,
 the thing works.

 Mr. Lin found that vegetable oil led to no noticeable loss in power or
 mileage. In fact, he said, it smoothed the engine's idle. This came as
 no surprise to Mr. Anderson, who has now installed hundreds of systems
 in a variety of diesel vehicles - Volkswagen TDI's, tractors, large
 Dodge four-by-fours and even a used Greyhound bus. In addition

Re: [biofuel] Re: BTU's to KW

[Steve Spence]

You can't convert btu to kW (BTU has a time unit), but can convert to kWh.

BTU * 0.0002928 = kWh

Btu /min * 0.01757 = kW


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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: BTU's to KW


 Hello all

 Anyone there that can convert for me 21,000 BTU's to KW?

 My calculations tell me it is about 6.1 kilowatts - but would really like
this confirmed thanks.

 Gary


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[biofuel] Re: [The Future of Humanity] RE: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.

[Steve Spence]

Yep. I specifically told him the oil becomes less viscous with heat. Oh
well.

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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: [The Future of Humanity] RE: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car
Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.


 Did you catch the part about when the vegetable oil becomes more
 viscous in the heater? Reporterese strikes again.

 Frank Leslie



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 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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 EcoPages_Newswire; BiomassGroup; bio-oil; alternatepower; biofuels-biz;
 BFIC; 3rdworldenergy; Biofuel - Egroups; Biodiesel - Egroups
 Subject: [renewable-energy] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil,
 Flip Switch and Go.



 http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm

 Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go. By CHRIS
 DIXON


 LOS ANGELES, April 21 - I wouldn't do this to a $30,000 car unless I
 was confident that it would work.

 With that, John Lin, owner of a Los Angeles fast-food franchise, opened
 the door of an opulent white Ford Excursion.

 Powered by a seven-liter turbo-diesel engine that delivers just 13 miles
 a gallon, this oversize S.U.V. seemed the quintessential
 environmentalist's target. Yet soon, Mr. Lin will be paying less to fuel
 it than he would pay if he owned a Toyota Prius, which supplements
 gasoline with electricity. As an added benefit, he will sharply reduce
 the pollution.

 Mr. Lin will not use a radical new mileage-boosting technology, but
 rather he will use simple vegetable oil, the same cheap, plentiful and
 clean-burning fuel that Rudolf Diesel used to power his first engine at
 the 1900 Paris World's Fair.

 Normally, a restaurateur like Mr. Lin would have to pay someone to haul
 off the 10 gallons of vegetable oil used each day in his fryers. The oil
 would be dumped in a landfill, or perhaps used in animal feed. Instead,
 Mr. Lin will filter his oil and pour it into a heated auxiliary tank on
 the Excursion.

 He will then start the vehicle on regular diesel, and after a few
 minutes, when the vegetable oil becomes more viscous in the heater, a
 manual switch will direct it to the diesel engine. From there, the only
 detectable difference will be the faint odor of French fries, and a
 noticeable lack of diesel stench.

 The change in odor, however, is not the only benefit to be gained. In
 1998, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory released a study on a
 fuel called biodiesel. Essentially vegetable oil with methanol and lye
 added to aid cold-weather flow and remove glycerin, biodiesel results in
 fewer harmful emissions than petroleum-based diesel.

 Carbon monoxide emissions are reduced by 43 percent, hydrocarbons by 56
 percent, particulates by 55 percent and sulfurs, a particular problem
 with petroleum diesel, are reduced by 100 percent.

 Typically, biodiesel fuel costs at least as much as regular diesel. But
 straight vegetable oil is essentially free; Mr. Lin says most restaurant
 owners are more than happy to get rid of it. And unlike biodiesel, it
 does not require methanol and lye. It does, however, require a fairly
 simple conversion system that consists of a vegetable oil tank and a
 fuel heater.

 A couple of years ago, after much online research, Mr. Lin bought a 1983
 Mercedes 300SD Turbodiesel for $3,000 and got in touch with a diesel
 enthusiast, Charlie Anderson. Mr. Anderson, a farmer in Drury, Mo., had
 just founded a company called Greasel. For $500, Mr. Anderson sold Mr.
 Lin one of his first vegetable-oil-to-diesel conversion kits and coached
 Mr. Lin on installing it.

 I said, If it blows up, it blows up, Mr. Lin said, and I'm only out
 $3,000. But I installed the system, flipped the switch, and sure enough,
 the thing works.

 Mr. Lin found that vegetable oil led to no noticeable loss in power or
 mileage. In fact, he said, it smoothed the engine's idle. This came as
 no surprise to Mr. Anderson, who has now installed hundreds of systems
 in a variety of diesel vehicles - Volkswagen TDI's, tractors, large
 Dodge four-by-fours and even a used Greyhound bus. In addition

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Steve Spence]

It's a possibility I will look into.

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From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism


 I did find it once hiding on a shelf in local library, town of 10,000,
 so it's been around. Kind of an interesting book, if a bit dated now.

 Author was Duane Elgin, IIRC

 Maybe you can get some funding from the Gates Foundation and the
 Carnegie Foundation (if still around) for your local library and
 schools, and help build them up, for you and your community.


 On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 08:50 AM, Steve Spence wrote:

  The local library is pretty sparse. The only book they had for solar or
  renewables was an old copy of the realgoods sourcebook. They have a
  interlibrary loan system, and there are 4 colleges within 20 miles,
  which
  should have decent libraries.
 
 
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  From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
 
 
  You'll first re-discover the library. Carnegie did one good thing, at
  least,  in his life.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Steve Spence wrote:
 
  I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no
  budget
  to
  buy any more books.
 
  I am most enamored with Jenkins Humanure (have autographed copy).
  Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water
  per
  person, per year.
 
  Makes rain water recovery much more attractive.
 
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  From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
 
 
  Good luck.
  Have you read Voluntary Simplicity?
 
  I
 
 
  On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Steve Spence wrote:
 
 
  My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it
  would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no
  well, no sewer, no common conveniences that we have been led to
  believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my Living with
  Less diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per
  year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep
  working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to
  Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well
  cared
  for.
  For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for
  drinking
  and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a
  wood
  fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
  sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will
  grow
  our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd
  jobs
  for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.
 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!

[Steve Spence]

  DAILY NEWS : GRAINS AND CROPPING

 Grain, canola and sugar-cane to fuel biofuel growth
  By Alan Dick
  Wednesday, 4 September 2002

  A successful biofuel industry based on contracted growing of canola,
grain and sugar cane would have the potential to re-invigorate rural and
regional Australia.

  But problems such as access to retail outlets and resistance by the
major fuel companies in Australia would have to be overcome.

  These were some of the messages from a session on biofuels at the
recent Agriculture Australia 2002 conference in Sydney.

  (Biofuels include ethanol made from cereal grains and biodiesel made
from canola).

  Executive director of the Australian Biofuels Association, Bob Gordon
said before last year's federal election the Howard government had announced
a biofuel initiative with a target production of 310 million additional
litres of biofuel by 2010.

  That would lift total production to 350 million litres a year, taking
in the 40 million litres of ethanol already produced by Dick Honan's
Manildra Group for blending with fossil fuels.

  He said the government had commited $49.6 million to stimulate
production and a support figure of about 16 cents per litre of new ethanol
production had been discussed.

  He said the money could help support five or six new biofuel
establishments in Australia.

  Production plants would have to be in rural areas and the industry had
the potential to re-invigorate areas in decline.


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Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!


 Looks like someone has realized something!
 http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=11172
 
 Regards
 Steven

 It says you have to be a member. What's it about Steven?

 Best

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Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of sandwich.
Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of course,
the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been surprised.



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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult


 sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.
 
 according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush Administration
knew
 about the 9-11 attack beforehand.  Incorrect,

 How do you know that? I'm not saying they did, and not saying you're
 wrong, but maybe we could use just a little more than your usual
 unsupported 2- or 3-word dismissal, some information maybe, some
 facts, some references, source material?

 Your say-so on these issues just isn't enough, I can't imagine why
 you keep thinking it is. Such as this, maybe the first time you did
 it - many times since, and it just doesn't wash:

 http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=13181list=BIOFUEL

 but hardly incendiary.
 
 I have little use for Madsen.

 On what basis? If you wish to discredit a journalist, please provide
 some basis for your views, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated
 slander. If you're not prepared to do that then keep your views to
 yourself, because then all they amount to is prejudice.

 This also won't do:

 Whatever you want to think.
 
 Steve Spence
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
 
 
sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.
  
No.   Steve Spence claimed it --
  
The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is
ludicrous.
Steve Spence
  
I know your confused.

 It's not a matter of whatever you want to think, it's what the
 story says and doesn't say, it's there in black and white - and it
 doesn't say what you want it to say. Yes, Steve Spence claimed it -
 that's also there in black and white, not a matter of opinion.

 Keith


 
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 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
 
 
The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is
ludicrous.
Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle
black.
   
Steve Spence
  
  
Reread it and let us know where
you read that in the article ??
I think your confused.



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Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

That's ok, Madsen had no proof either. But because he's a journalist, we are
supposed to believe him



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Subject: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian
Blood Cult


 If you asked me, I would say that 'ol GWB not only knew about the 9/11
 beforehand guys ... but in reality caused it.   No, I have absolutely,
 positively NO proof.  It is a statement I make .. only from the chill I
get
 up my spine when I hear reports that ... I think a YEAR before 9/11 ..
some
 Haliburton/TransAfghanistan pipeline deal went sour ... The deal was
 given to (I think) Argentina  EARLY SUMMER, Afghanistan INVASION
plans
 were ALREADY made.

 And then I think back ... YES, we invaded Afghanistan .. NOW WHAT
WAS
 THE REASON THAT WE INVADED NOW??  DOES ANYONE RECALL WHAT IT
 WAS??

 This, plus that report about how Colin Powell used (I think) some kind of
 old college papers as proof in the UN security council (please correct
me
 if I'm mistaken).   That showed me that the current Administration is an
 all-out, dragged down extremely ends-justify-the-means thinking
 administration.   THIS ... plus the control that power of the President
has
 over the media .. plus the chain of events (above) leading UP to the
 invasion. ...

 Guys, I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF about what I'm implying.   So no sense
 start a debate (about me proving anything).  I concede from the start
that
 my thoughts ... are merely conjecture.But I thought I'd mentioned my
 spine-chill ... since you guys were talking about all this.

 Oh, and btw, KEITH .. good to be back!!

 Curtis

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 Steve Spence:  according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush
 Administration knew about the 9-11 attack beforehand.  Incorrect,

 Keith: How do you know that? I'm not saying they did, and not saying
you're
 wrong, but maybe we could use just a little more than your usual
unsupported
 2- or 3-word dismissal, some information maybe, some facts, some
references,
 source material?




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Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

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http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1998/vol9_n3/30.pdf

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 paul van den bergen wrote:

 Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
 mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
 
 
 
 
 
 Paul,
 There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which
 is added is partially used up in the reaction. A true catalyst goes in a
 cycle and is left to be used repeatedly. I could possibly get my sister
 [BS Chemistry] to write about it. Try searching google.com for details,
 I'm sure someone has a web page about the reaction.

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Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

whatever Keith. It's pointless to debate this stuff. I'm not even going to
try.

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult


 One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of
sandwich.
 Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of
course,
 the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been
surprised.

 Okay, Steve, we now know beyond any doubt or further discussion that
 the only basis you can provide for your opinionations is further
 opinionations. Kind of circular, don't you think? Bit like trying to
 run with one foot nailed to the ground. Same old stuff, label and
 dismiss, label and dismiss, deny deny deny... and when that doesn't
 work anymore, when someone pins you down, just back off and don't
 answer at all, then you can come back a bit later and say it all over
 again as if the whole thing never happened. Like this, a recent case:
 http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=24384list=BIOFUEL

 So:

   On what basis? If you wish to discredit a journalist, please provide
   some basis for your views, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated
   slander. If you're not prepared to do that then keep your views to
   yourself, because then all they amount to is prejudice.

 Mere prejudice, yes. You're welcome, of course, but please don't try
 to dress it up as anything more than that.

 Keith


 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
 
 
   sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.
   
   according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush Administration
 knew
   about the 9-11 attack beforehand.  Incorrect,
  
   How do you know that? I'm not saying they did, and not saying you're
   wrong, but maybe we could use just a little more than your usual
   unsupported 2- or 3-word dismissal, some information maybe, some
   facts, some references, source material?
  
   Your say-so on these issues just isn't enough, I can't imagine why
   you keep thinking it is. Such as this, maybe the first time you did
   it - many times since, and it just doesn't wash:
  
   http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=13181list=BIOFUEL
  
   but hardly incendiary.
   
   I have little use for Madsen.
  
   On what basis? If you wish to discredit a journalist, please provide
   some basis for your views, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated
   slander. If you're not prepared to do that then keep your views to
   yourself, because then all they amount to is prejudice.
  
   This also won't do:
  
   Whatever you want to think.
   
   Steve Spence
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   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
   
   
  sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.

  No.   Steve Spence claimed it --

  The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is
 ludicrous.
  Steve Spence

  I know your confused.
  
   It's not a matter of whatever you want to think, it's what the
   story says and doesn't say, it's there in black and white - and it
   doesn't say what you want it to say. Yes, Steve Spence claimed it -
   that's also there in black and white, not a matter of opinion.
  
   Keith
  
  
   
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   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
   
   
  The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is
 ludicrous.
  Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle
 black.
 
  Steve Spence


  Reread it and let us know where
  you read that in the article ??
  I think your confused.



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Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

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Thank you. I'm honored.

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult


 One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of
sandwich.
 Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of
course,
 the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been
surprised.

 Well indeed! From now on, it'll make it easier to sort through my inbox
every day. Just delete everything from Steve Spence!! Never mind the
subject, the sender sets the tone
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Re: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

[Steve Spence]

Energy is the ability to do work, while power is the rate at which work is
done.

Power is a time average of energy (energy per unit time).

1 kW is energy
1 kWh is power

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opens in Iceland)


 Sorry to quibble, but voltage is potential difference, which implies a
capacity to
 do work but it is not energy.  When current is flowing (amps), work is
being done,
 and that is energy.  Volts x amps = watts.  Energy is measured in watts,
not volts.

 So, let's consider the power equation, P=EI,
 where P = power (in watts),
 E = voltage (in volts), and
 I = current (in amps)

 Power (energy) is measured in watts, but E is potential difference (or
 electromotive force) and is measured in volts.  There is no power (energy)
until
 there is current (amps).

 Voltage is not energy, and that is what P=EI says.  Voltage x current =
energy.

 Darryl McMahon

 kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  but voltage is not energy
  --
  P=EI
 
  That says it is.
 
  Kirk
 
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  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in
  Iceland
 
 
  When charging a deep-cycle battery, it does not take any more energy (in
  watt- hours) to put in the tenth kilowatt-hour than it did to put in the
  first kilowatt- hour (assuming at capacity somewhat larger than 10 kWh).
  It may take a higher voltage (potential difference) to continue the
  charging as the battery becomes charged, but voltage is not energy.
 
  (There is an exception at end of charge for certain chemistries, where
  more energy is used to put in the last few percent of the full charge,
but
  this is no longer charging, but overcharging, sometimes referred to as
  equalization.  A smart charger reduces charging current accordingly in
  this situation.)
 
  When you are putting a gas into a pressurized vessel, it does take
higher
  pressure to overcome the rising pressure in the vessel.  It is the work
  required to create the higher pressure that takes more energy.
 
  Darryl McMahon
 
  Icarus Solem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hello,
  
   It seems that the same is true for charging a battery system, only in
   this case you are working against the electric potential of the
battery
   cell, instead of the mechanical potential of the pressurized system.
If
   a hydrogen tank is initially empty, it takes more energy per unit to
   fill it as the pressure rises.  The same is true for a deep-cycle
   battery system - as you run the electrochemical reation to charge the
   battery, you have to input more energy to run the reaction uphill?
I'm
   guessing that these efficiencies can all be improved - just as the
   efficiency of biomass to ethanol conversion has increased over the
   years.
  
   Cheers, Karus
  
   On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, martin wrote:
  
An electrochemical reaction where the desired product has to be
forced
out at a relatively high pressure requires more energy to push the
reaction over equilibrium.
   
kirk wrote:
   
I'm not aware of any change in potential with pressure. You have
any
data to
the contrary?
Kirk

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Down goes efficiency.

kirk wrote:



   
   
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Re: In defense of Steve Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

My problem is that anti war/anti government/anti Christian (not related to
each other, I just threw them in there) posts do bug me. I'll work on that.

In the future I will endeavor to add IMHO to the beginning of each post,
if everyone else does as well. If you agree with me, fine, if you don't fine
as well, but don't expect me to keep my mouth shut if I see something that
looks like a pile of compost from where I sit. I don't even feel the need to
justify my opinions if the compost is so ripe my nose wrinkles.

Thank you, Curtis.

IMHO, Madsen is a blooming idiot. Hey, that didn't hurt a bit.


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From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: In defense of Steve Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult


 In a way, I kinda feel sorry for Steve.

 I think the only thing Steve does wrong (if you wanna call it that) is
 that he does not begin each sentence with Well, in my opinion . .
 It's probably something he means ... but simply neglects to say.   In MY
 head, I simply add the missing in my opinion to EVERY thing he says.
And
 so, even though I disagree a lot with his (call it) pro-war stance (for
 example) ... it don't bug me at all one bit.

 That's me anyways.

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 So if a restaurant calls knockwurst animal guts, you won't eat it?

 If one doesn't like the movie trailer, you won't see the movie, even if
all
 your best friends rave about it?

 Personal discretion or choice is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't make
 something what you think or would like others to believe it is just
because
 you declare it so.



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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

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I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest the
cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot of
wild life for our enjoyment.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism


 I too love composting all biologic outputs.  It means that I am not tied
to
 the septic system, which I now use for grey water.  It is also nice to
have
 facilities at the back of the land, so I am not constantly driving back
and
 forth when working back there.  [Bushes don't work too well for girls]

 I have read several books on the simple life, but I didn't find many of
 them fit me.  We found our way the way Steve is planning on
 proceeding.  Strip life back to minimum, live like that for a while, then
 add in what is needed for health and happiness.  We started with 20 acres,
 I built a 400 sq. ft. shell of a house, electricity, no water or
 sewage.  We moved in and for the next 3 years we were gone 28 days a
 month.  It took a long time to get that indoor, running hot water
 shower.  Ahhh, the luxury!!!

 For my husband and I, we do require a roof that doesn't leak, walls that
 block most of the wind, heat in the winter when it is below 50F outside,
 and our fur family.  After that comes the tools that allow us to do for
 ourselves,  and the older I get, the more I appreciate having the right
 tool for a job.  [I consider the internet a tool]

 I would love to hear of other people's journeys.

 Bright Blessings,
 Kim

 At 04:07 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
 I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget to
 buy any more books.
 
 I am most enamored with Jenkins Humanure (have autographed copy).
 Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
 person, per year.



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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

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The local library is pretty sparse. The only book they had for solar or
renewables was an old copy of the realgoods sourcebook. They have a
interlibrary loan system, and there are 4 colleges within 20 miles, which
should have decent libraries.


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 You'll first re-discover the library. Carnegie did one good thing, at
 least,  in his life.





 On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Steve Spence wrote:

  I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget
  to
  buy any more books.
 
  I am most enamored with Jenkins Humanure (have autographed copy).
  Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
  person, per year.
 
  Makes rain water recovery much more attractive.
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
 
 
  Good luck.
  Have you read Voluntary Simplicity?
 
  I
 
 
  On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Steve Spence wrote:
 
 
  My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it
  would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no
  well, no sewer, no common conveniences that we have been led to
  believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my Living with
  Less diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per
  year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep
  working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to
  Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well cared
  for.
  For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking
  and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood
  fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
  sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow
  our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs
  for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.
 
  http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/livingwithless
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Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

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The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is ludicrous.
Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.

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Subject: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult


[Wayne Madsen, Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist and former
intelligence officer with
 the National Security Agency drops some big bombshells in George W. Bush's
spiritual back yard. This
 highly respected journalistic veteran quotes sources closest to the Vatican
as saying that Pope John
 Paul II suspects that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the 9-11
attacks. He also points out
 the obvious: Bush behavior and attitude are anything but Christian. - MCR]

 Bush's Christian Blood Cult
 Concerns Raised by the Vatican
 by WAYNE MADSEN
 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042803_vatican.html



 


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Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.

according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush Administration knew
about the 9-11 attack beforehand.  Incorrect, but hardly incendiary.

I have little use for Madsen.


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  The idea of the pope questioning Graham's Christianity is ludicrous.
  Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.
 
  Steve Spence


  Reread it and let us know where
  you read that in the article ??
  I think your confused.




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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

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http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html

Chapter 9

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 I have been looking around the internet for info about Bioremediation, for
 some time, and have not found much on the homeowner scale. About every
thing
 so far, has been on the industrial / commercial scale.  Have you found
much
 for the small scale use of Bioremediation?  If so were?

 Greg H.

 P.S.

 Don't forget, that when the cattails get over crowded, you can use the
roots
 to make alk.


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  I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest
 the
  cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a
lot
 of
  wild life for our enjoyment.
 




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[biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Steve Spence]

My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it 
would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no 
well, no sewer, no common conveniences that we have been led to 
believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my Living with 
Less diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per 
year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep 
working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to 
Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well cared 
for.
For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking 
and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood 
fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the 
sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow 
our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs 
for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.

http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/livingwithless
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

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great idea, thanks.

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 May I suggest that in the summer, a solar cooker, which can be
manufactured
 for pennies, is a good investment.  Good luck on your journey and have
 fun.  To me the best part of living simply, is that I am never bored.
 Bright Blessings,
 Kim

 At 03:08 PM 4/29/2003 +, you wrote:

 My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it
 would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no
 well, no sewer, no common conveniences that we have been led to
 believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my Living with
 Less diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per
 year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep
 working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to
 Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well cared
 for.
 For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking
 and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood
 fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
 sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow
 our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs
 for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.
 
 http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/livingwithless
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Steve Spence]

I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget to
buy any more books.

I am most enamored with Jenkins Humanure (have autographed copy).
Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
person, per year.

Makes rain water recovery much more attractive.

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 Good luck.
 Have you read Voluntary Simplicity?

 I


 On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Steve Spence wrote:

 
  My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it
  would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no
  well, no sewer, no common conveniences that we have been led to
  believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my Living with
  Less diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per
  year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep
  working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to
  Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well cared
  for.
  For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking
  and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood
  fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
  sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow
  our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs
  for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.
 
  http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/livingwithless
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Re: [biofuels-biz] 1000 tons of biodiesel needed now

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and just how many gallons is that, anyway? ;-)

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 We can supply if you can prove finance
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  Dear All,
 
  Plaese let me know if You are in a position to supply or familiar
  with such a possibility to supply 1000 tons of biodiesel.
 
  I would be very thankful for any positive answer to this.
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Re: [biofuel] Amtrak

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My monthly fee lets me get on and off anywhere between the 2 points listed
on my pass any time I want as many times I want in a month.


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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Amtrak



  To hop in a car and drive for eight hours to visit someone would
  be unheard of in most other countries, but is fairly common in the USA.
 
 There are a number of reasons for this.  The first is the absence of any
 real intercity mass transit except for airlines.  Our long distance
 passenger rail system, except for a very few areas, was very effectively
 killed off in the last half of the 20th century.

 One thing I've noticed, that I've never heard comment upon from a
 single other person, is that it seems Amtrak does offer a Eurail-style
 pass (i.e., pay a fee, go pretty much anywhere you want for a month or
 two), but *only to foreigners*.  Given the gas and money spent on
 driving over summer and other vacations by Americans, this has always
 seemed wrong to me.  Amtrak does have other more limited passes, but
 confining the big one to non-Americans just seems bizarre.  I must be
 missing something.


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Re: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

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Many of us strip out the html, or block it, to reduce the risk of hostile
emails infecting our machines.


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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in
Berkeley July 4-6


 Andrew,

 Thanks, and oops again - I see I intended to reply to Keith - thinking
 he's sent me a private message - but that I responded to Biofuels. Oh
 well, I'm not shy about my political views.

 I'm not sure I understand what you've suggested. I use Netscape, and I
 send with HTML enabled - but I'm not clear how I'd make a shorter link
 out of a very long URL.

 Thanks,
 Craig

 you wrote:

   Some email programs allow you to create messages using HTML.
  For example:
 
  PI want a Bombay Duck, and I want it
  A href= http://www.2pieR.com; now/A !/P
 
  would display as:
 
  I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it now !
 
  whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link
  and clicking on 'now' would work in the same
  way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned.
 
  On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:47:22 -0800, craig reece
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
   Keith,
  
   Oops.
  
   I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I
   wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was
   really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed
  some
   people will post a blue hypertext Here (usually underlined) and
  you
   click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to -
  but I
   don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case of
  a
   long URL, I think.



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Re: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

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there are a few anti mac coders out there, but it's not nearly as much fun
as attacking the evil empire ;-)

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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in
Berkeley July 4-6


 Steve,

 I've got a Mac, and no one seems to waste their time writing viri for
 Macs, but I also use a firewall program just in case, and never open any
 attachments from unknown senders.

 Craig

 Steve Spence wrote:

   Many of us strip out the html, or block it, to reduce the risk of
  hostile
  emails infecting our machines.
 
 
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  From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:47 AM
  Subject: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop
  in
  Berkeley July 4-6
 
 
   Andrew,
  
   Thanks, and oops again - I see I intended to reply to Keith -
  thinking
   he's sent me a private message - but that I responded to Biofuels.
  Oh
   well, I'm not shy about my political views.
  
   I'm not sure I understand what you've suggested. I use Netscape, and
  I
   send with HTML enabled - but I'm not clear how I'd make a shorter
  link
   out of a very long URL.
  
   Thanks,
   Craig
  
   you wrote:
  
 Some email programs allow you to create messages using HTML.
For example:
   
PI want a Bombay Duck, and I want it
A href= http://www.2pieR.com; now/A !/P
   
would display as:
   
I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it now !
   
whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link
and clicking on 'now' would work in the same
way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned.
   
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:47:22 -0800, craig reece
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Keith,

 Oops.

 I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so
  I
 wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL
  was
 really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've
  noticed
some
 people will post a blue hypertext Here (usually underlined)
  and
you
 click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to
  -
but I
 don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case
  of
a
 long URL, I think.
  
  
  
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Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

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I tend to put on 25k miles / year.

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Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To compare driving fatalities of the USA with other countries on a per
capita
  basis is worthless. There needs to be consideration of the higher
miles/person
  driven in a year.

 This is true.  It wouldn't surprize me in the least to find out that
 Americans drive more miles/person/year than anywhere else on Earth.

  To hop in a car and drive for eight hours to visit someone would
  be unheard of in most other countries, but is fairly common in the USA.

 There are a number of reasons for this.  The first is the absence of any
 real intercity mass transit except for airlines.  Our long distance
 passenger rail system, except for a very few areas, was very effectively
 killed off in the last half of the 20th century.  Long distance Busses
 do exist, but in most places they're considered strictly low class, and
 relegated to carying people who can't afford to go by airline.  And then
 there are the airlines.  Since Deregulation, note the capital D, there
 are a lot of smaller communities that airlines just don't serve anymore.
   In any event, with all of the security procedures one must go through
 in order to fly in the post-9/11 world, it may actually be faster to
 drive than to fly, depending on the distance involved.  And even if one
 does fly, if you're going to an area that is not served by a good
 mass-transit system, there's the problem of How am I going to get
 around once I'm there?

  The
  twelve lanes of traffic on the NJ TP into and out of NYC is not seen in
many
  other countries. The beltway of Washington, D.C., is at least five lanes
in
  each direction. And, so on. The speeds traveled on these roads is around
75
  mph regardless of posted speeds. So...you have a lot of congestion plus
high
  speeds.

 Have you ever seen the Autobahn around Frankfurt or Munich?

  Seatbelt laws and helmet laws have been in place in the USA for years
with the
  exception of a few states. They could be more strongly enforced, but
they are
  there.

 Indeed.  But while they do exist, they are under constant attack from
 various groups.  There are some who claim that wearing a helmet on a
 motorcycle is actually unsafe because it restricts your vision.  What
 a load.  If it restricts your vision then you need to buy a better helmet.

  The bigger problem than seatbelts and helmets is alcohol and other
drugs. A
  very high percentage of single vehicle accidents involves someone under
the
  influence. A high percentage of all accidents involves at least one of
the
  drivers being under the influence.

 Around half, IIRC.

  There are continuous attempts to curb this,
  with varying degrees of success.

 Indeed.  Every time we turn around somebody is screaming There ought to
 be a law!  And our politicians, being politicians, have to appear to be
 doing something, so they happily go out and make some damned law, until
 we're now bound around with them.

  Part of the problem is again the structure of
  our communities. For example, in many areas in Europe one can go out
with
  buddies and walk about to a multitude of bars/discos, etc., and not need
to
  get about except by walking or using mass-transit.

 I remember when I was living in Ansbach, Germany, there was this little
 Irish pub around the corner from the Hauptbahnhof in Nurnberg, and my
 apartment was stumbling distance from the Bahnhof in Ansbach.  At that
 time the rail system was running a DM15 weekend special for up to 5
 people, so I made that trip a lot on the weekends.

  In the States, in many
  areas it is very difficult to do anything without driving. So...there
are
  attempts to get people to designate a driver who remains sober while
everyone
  else has a party. This tends not to be very successful.

 That depends entirely on the responsibility of the one designated as the
 driver.  Many areas also have toxicabs which will drive people home at
 no charge when they've gotten too drunk to drive themselves.

  Finally, there is a trade off between well engineered roads and possible
  traffic speeds. And...speed kills in more ways than one.

 Um...  Well, yes, but.  It isn't the speed that kills.  It's the sudden
 stop.

  In Saudi Arabia, I read
  that it had or has the highest per capita fatality rate. Well...fairly
good
  roads and people driving at 100 mph all the time. If one loses a tire at
100
  mph/161 kph, there is a good chance it will be the last time.

 The answer here is it depends.  Mostly it depends on the skill of the
 driver in controlling the situation.  If the driver freaks out then the
 results are going to be bad

[biofuel] Save the Earth: Buy a diesel?

[Steve Spence]

  Save the Earth: Buy a diesel?

  Want to do something nice for Earth Day? Believe it or not, you might
consider buying a diesel car.

  http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/22/pf/autos/diesels_hybrid/index.htm

  http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm


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Re: [biofuel] Hybrid

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saw one in Vermont last year. s10 pickup, electric drive, biodiesel
generator.


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 it has worked for trains for a long time why not cars.
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 Yes.  I'm building one (as finances permit).
 
 Darryl McMahon
 
 dewey_nc [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: Has any research been done on the
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Re: [biofuel] Hybrid

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I'd suggest an 8 or 9 dc motor, from 96 to 144 volts.

This will give you 68 - 100 hp

Advanced D.C. Motors is a good brand.

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 What are you going to use for the electric motor?
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  it has worked for trains for a long time why not cars.
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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hybrid
 
 
  Yes.  I'm building one (as finances permit).
  
  Darryl McMahon
  
  dewey_nc [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: Has any research been done on the
  feasibility of a biodiesel/electric
   hybrid vehicle?  This would offer high MPG with reduced total fuel
   consumption.  And the fuel is from renewable sources.
  
  
  
  
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Hybrid

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it appeared to be a yanmar of about 25 hp, but it was under the cap and hard
to see. not powerful enough to move the truck on it's own, but good enough
to recharge the batteries over time.



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 any idea what they used as an engine?
 mark

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