Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
Mike Weaver wrote: FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... And we haven't found all of his horcruxes yet. Obviously. AP Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled. Thank you for help. Juan G. Huh, second time in 10 minutes... Re Freedom Fuel America - the odious FuelMeister rears its ugly head once again! http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Or: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. The FuelMeister is overpriced junk that is not capable of making quality biodiesel. The instructions that come with it are just as useless. BiodieselGear? Does anybody buy those things? They got some derisive comments when they launched. What's the point anyway? Build your own, a lot cheaper and a lot better, and anybody can do it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-BB62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Model Aircraft Engines
Hi everyone. I too am a newcomer to the biodiesel experience. In the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, Joshua Tickell says that Biodiesel can be used as a fuel substitute in model aircraft engines with glow plugs. There are conversion kits to convert a model engine to run straight petroleum diesel, and I was wondering if this is necessary for biodiesel as well. The book makes it sound like no conversion is necessary for biodiesel, but doesn't have much to say on the subject. The reason I am wondering is that I figured it would be much cheaper to set up and test the biodiesel in the r/c engine rather than in a diesel generator. Our whole set-up was about $100, $120 if you include mounting the engine on some wood, which is much better than $500 and up for a generator. Granted it's not really useful, but you win some, you lose some... Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
Greg and April wrote: The short answer is no. The short answer is _yes_. Baylor University did some testing with B20 in their Beech King Air 90, and found that it did just fine. The report was available at the biodiesel.org website for a while, but I can't find it just now. A Google search of the site produced this: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19981001_gen-106.pdf Purdue University also did some testing on aviation fuel, and the report is available here: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19950601_gen-144.pdf Keep in mind, turbines are, almost by definition, multifuel engines. As long as it doesn't overheat their burn units turbines don't care what they're running on. You should see the list of alternate fuels for the OH-58 scout helicopters I flew in the Army! The long answer is, BioDiesel does not have to BTU's of jet fuel No, it doesn't have the specific heat of jet fuel, but it's close enough that it makes little difference operationally. ( jet fuel is a highly refined cozen to jet fuel with allot of BTU's per gal ), Did you by any chance mean kerosene? Jet-A is high grade kerosene. Keep in mind, kerosene comes in many flavors, and jet fuel is only one of them. nor does it have the ability to take the low temperatures that jet fuel would encounter at altitude. This could be taken care of with a properly effective antigel agent. These things are workable, but, then you have to carry more fuel, and less cargo, and heated fuel tanks and fuel lines.This adds weight and costs to every aircraft, that is unacceptable. Many aircraft already have fuel heaters in their fuel lines to prevent fuel icing. The real problem is to prevent the fuel gelling in the tanks. Some heat already gets into the fuel tanks in many airliners because they use the fuel tanks as a heat sink for the airconditioning systems. I think only a good antigel agent would solve this completely, though. Jet travel is also one of the least efficient forms of transportation there is. That depends on how you look at it. If you consider it in terms of passenger seat miles per gallon then it comes out around 24mpg, IIRC, which beats most SUV's. I did have a link to an article which went into this much more in depth, but I have lost it. Don't forget, in the airline industry fuel efficiency means profits. Using biodiesel would only make it more inefficient. Maybe. But at least it would be using less petroleum. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
Thanks for the info. I've read it, downloaded the study reports, read them, and passed them and your email on to the individual that was looking for this information. Good solid data. I think that with modification of the biodiesel transesterification process the TAN might be reduced, and as B20, looks like a potential reducer of dependence on petro products. Even at 20%, the total amount used by the airline industry would be reduced significantly. The CO(sub)2 numbers are impressive! Certainly worth further study and experimentation Thanks again! doug swanson Alan Petrillo wrote: Greg and April wrote: The short answer is no. The short answer is _yes_. Baylor University did some testing with B20 in their Beech King Air 90, and found that it did just fine. The report was available at the biodiesel.org website for a while, but I can't find it just now. A Google search of the site produced this: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19981001_gen-106.pdf Purdue University also did some testing on aviation fuel, and the report is available here: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19950601_gen-144.pdf Keep in mind, turbines are, almost by definition, multifuel engines. As long as it doesn't overheat their burn units turbines don't care what they're running on. You should see the list of alternate fuels for the OH-58 scout helicopters I flew in the Army! -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel
Hi Jim, The VERY first thing you need to make sure of when putting biodiesel in your gasoline engine is that the addition of methanol inANY form will not damage your engine. I strongly suggest you read your owners manual. I recently bought a new vehicle out of couriousity looked at the fuel specs. Use of gasoline, and /or gasoline-ethanol mixtures is allowed, but gasoline-methanol mixtures or the addition of methanol in any way, shape, form, or fashion can damage or destroyvital engine components. Respectfully, Gregg Davidson Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello JimI had some general question about Biodiesel:1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing theMethoxil and oil together. Would it tear up the PVC? How about Venturisand PVC in the washing process?2. How much if any Biodiesel can be added to gasoline engines as anupper lubricant and carb cleaner additive?See:Biodiesel in gasoline engineshttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gasBest wishesKeith3. Has any one gotten good results from this usage of biodiesel?4. Will this use work with 2 stroke engines? I need to winterize my boatand wonder how that would work as opposed to sea foam.5. I can get methanol for $2.24 US is this good bad or average?Thank youJim___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
When did he offer soldiers? this article is about 1100 doctors. Oh, you're joking? I take it then that you think Castro is insincere? Juan Gutierrez wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-BB62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hi All The List Admin was having a lot of problems getting through on my business domain so we switched to my Gmail account. What a marvelous change. Google mail organizes things by thread! Plus google recommends that you save everything. With a search engine built in posts are right here when I want them. Sorry if I sound like an ad for google, this is working so much better, there may be ramifications I don't know about, but oh well. Google gives us fifty free invites and these accounts are currently at 2.7 gig each. Let me know if you need one. Brian Rodgers On 9/3/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox Only one mailbox. Try this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html Though maybe you need a real ISP for that rather than aol. and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. I know you weren't. Not so sure about other people though. sorry! No problem. Best wishes Keith cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype all who are enduring the same consequence when not all made decisions on the same basis. A bit like saying all Canadians who choose to live in Texas are as dumb as bricks. Or that all black single moms are sucking on the government welfare teat. Maybe there are extinuating circumstances that rip such rants to shreds under even the most simplified examination. Todd Swearingen Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists .org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the
Re: [Biofuel] Model Aircraft Engines
Hello Brian Hi everyone. I too am a newcomer to the biodiesel experience. In the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, Joshua Tickell Urk... See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg31754.html And: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html :-( says that Biodiesel can be used as a fuel substitute in model aircraft engines with glow plugs. Well, yes, quite. Wrong as usual. It can't. There are conversion kits to convert a model engine to run straight petroleum diesel, I don't think so. and I was wondering if this is necessary for biodiesel as well. The book makes it sound like no conversion is necessary for biodiesel, but doesn't have much to say on the subject. Please see: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg38910.html Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel All is explained. The reason I am wondering is that I figured it would be much cheaper to set up and test the biodiesel in the r/c engine rather than in a diesel generator. What's also explained in that archived message is this: Why do you want the motor? You're after any diesel motor, right? What for? To see if your biodiesel works? You don't need a motor to tell you that. Make it right and check it with the usual quality tests and it'll work. A motor won't tell you much anyway - you can chuck any junk in a diesel and it'll probably work, but for how long? Get your BD to pass the quality tests, much more useful information. They're useful for demos. Our whole set-up was about $100, $120 if you include mounting the engine on some wood, which is much better than $500 and up for a generator. Granted it's not really useful, Why isn't it useful? Best wishes Keith but you win some, you lose some... Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hi Bob, I don´t use coargental as a dietary suppliment. I use it for its antibacterial properties and then only topically in my nose (and thus indirectly my throat). It does have well documented antibacterialproperties as do other more toxic metals. It may also have antiviral properties but I haven´t read much in this area recently. I agree with all the precautions you´ve listed and use it sparingly. But I do use it. I prefer to nip any sinus infection in the bud as they usually drop into my lungs. I think it is better than overusing antibiotics. Tom Irwin From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:58:16 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..Tom and Joe, I am interested in what makes you think that silver does any good? Only personal experience, or do you know of any science behind the claims.the NCCAM (National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicines) was set up to study just such nostrums as colloidal silver. See what they have to say:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2297471.stmReviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that2-5:* Silver has no known function in the body.* Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such.* Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded.* Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically.* Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below).* Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer.Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the time but then what does. I still get the flu and such but not much else. Tom Irwin *From:* Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:05:51 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few drops per
[Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ;This is a great idea and link!!Thanks.Best Regards,Peter G.Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Happy
Hallo Vin, Ano na Kababayan, happy happy ba tayo! I guess that is why I say it. Yes I know there is one too many ba in the word. That is how my friends all pronounced it. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 03 September, 2005, 21:18:27, you wrote: VL Hi Keith, VL Hmmm. Imagine that! If any of you happen to find VL yourselves in the Philippines, drop me a line and VL we'll have Happy Happy (and talk biofuels too). :-) VL Thanks and regards. VL Vin Lava VL Manila, Philippines Many of us here who are not Filipinos have fond and happy memories of the Philippines, including me. VL Ask Gustl why he ends his messages Happy Happy! Regards, and thanks again Happy Happy! (No matter what!) Keith VL __ VL Do You Yahoo!? VL Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around VL http://mail.yahoo.com VL ___ VL Biofuel mailing list VL Biofuel@sustainablelists.org VL http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org VL Biofuel at Journey to Forever: VL http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html VL Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): VL http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
Dear Alan,Greg and Petrillo Here in Brazil , the research that had been realized for military to replace Jet fuel using BioD in 1980 was done with positive results, but the details are not much known as less study were conducted at the time . By using low molecular fatty acids ester ,the BioD need to be engineered to be very good additive.Surely there are problems regard to viscosity.Small jet here are able to run with alcohol fuel and hence BioD will be also positive , may not be 100 percent. sd Pannirselvam Brazil On 9/4/05, Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg and April wrote:The short answer is no.The short answer is _yes_.Baylor University did some testing with B20in their Beech King Air 90, and found that it did just fine. The report was available at the biodiesel.org website for a while, but Ican't find it just now.A Google search of the site produced this: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19981001_gen-106.pdfPurdue University also did some testing on aviation fuel, and the reportis available here: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19950601_gen-144.pdfKeep in mind, turbines are, almost by definition, multifuel engines.Aslong as it doesn't overheat their burn units turbines don't care what they're running on.You should see the list of alternate fuels for theOH-58 scout helicopters I flew in the Army!The long answer is, BioDiesel does not have to BTU's of jet fuelNo, it doesn't have the specific heat of jet fuel, but it's close enough that it makes little difference operationally.( jet fuelis a highly refined cozen to jet fuel with allot of BTU's per gal ),Did you by any chance mean kerosene?Jet-A is high grade kerosene.Keep in mind, kerosene comes in many flavors, and jet fuel is only one of them.nordoes it have the ability to take the low temperatures that jet fuel wouldencounter at altitude.This could be taken care of with a properly effective antigel agent. These things are workable, but, then you have to carry more fuel, and lesscargo, and heated fuel tanks and fuel lines.This adds weight and coststo every aircraft, that is unacceptable. Many aircraft already have fuel heaters in their fuel lines to preventfuel icing.The real problem is to prevent the fuel gelling in thetanks.Some heat already gets into the fuel tanks in many airliners because they use the fuel tanks as a heat sink for the airconditioningsystems.I think only a good antigel agent would solve this completely,though.Jet travel is also one of theleast efficient forms of transportation there is. That depends on how you look at it.If you consider it in terms ofpassenger seat miles per gallon then it comes out around 24mpg, IIRC,which beats most SUV's.I did have a link to an article which went into this much more in depth, but I have lost it.Don't forget, in the airline industry fuel efficiency means profits.Using biodiesel wouldonly make it more inefficient.Maybe.But at least it would be using less petroleum. AP___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
Fantastic report. Are you going to post your complete tests and results on the Net? I would like to see it all. You know, pictures that us less than gifted types can understand. I have a lot of respect for the posts you have given to us here. Brazil, huh? That is too cool. Does your university have a web page? It sounds like your school is very advanced in sustainable research. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.html The Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors. The Herald reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross. But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its "general operating costs". - The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read that The Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund.I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd. If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is:White HouseComments: 202-456-Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461Marilyn___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
*Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...*http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134*Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials.He didn't say it once. He said it twice.Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: "If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened."Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the "CIA might take me out."Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole.Nagin said Bush gave him a "hearty" greeting and did not seem at all offended by Nagin's earlier outburst."I do think the pleas for help basically got the nation's attention, and the nation's attention got everybody to stop and re-evaluate what was going on, including the president. ... He basically said, 'Look, our response was not what it should have been and we're going to fix it right now.'"Nagin said evacuation has been hampered by officials' difficulty grasping where state authority ends and federal authority begins and he said he very frankly urged Bush and Blanco to get a clear chain of command straightened out immediately.*Commentary: *This guy is unbelievable. He got on the tv news yesterday and started screamed (using a barrage of four letter words including repeated use of the "f" word) about how he had needed hundreds of greyhound buses to evacuate the poor in New Orleans before the storm hit, but "no one would help." Yet he never mentioned all of the city school buses and city mass transportation vehicles he could have used, in accord with Louisiana's official disaster plan, but failed to. See photo below of flooded New Orleans school buses, which had been left sitting in the city parking lot /unused/ before the hurricane hit, because the mayor was too stupid to use them to help his own residents evacuate the city. See also the excerpt below the photo, from the Louisiana State Disaster Plan, authorizing cities to use local school buses and other forms of public transportation to evacuate residents.***Louisiana State Disaster Plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00*/"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personalvehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles andvehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to providetransportation for individuals who lack transportation and requireassistance in evacuating".../Why were the city school buses and mass transportation buses left sitting in empty lots before the hurricane hit, rather than being used to evacuate the poor? The mayor has no answer. Only misdirection, blame and finger-pointing. "It's Bush's fault!" And now abject paranoia.If this guy is the best the residents of New Orleans can come up with in terms of political representation, then they have only themselves to blame for the fact that they were not evacuated. The city had the means, and the opportunity. It just didn't have the leadership. President Bush called for the evacuation of Louisiana two days before the hurricane, yet the city school buses sat in the lots unused, thanks to this mayor's inaction.Blaming the federal and state governments is ridiculous at face value. And now this nutcase claims the CIA is going to try to take him out for yelling at federal and state officials. Truth be told, the voters of New Orleans ought to hold a recall election as quickly as possible, and get rid of this menace to society before he gets any more city residents killled. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Look how well the US embargo of Cuba has worked. If it's such a good idea to embargo Communist countries, let's embargo China. We can't of course, they could destroy our country's currency at the drop of a hat. Personally, if we want to get rid of Castro, probably the best thing we could do would be to flood Cuba with Western goods, ideas in the form of visitors, and communication. The embargo was and is a stupid idea. With regards to Iraq, Saddam managed to sneak quite a bit of money in during the blockade, and managed to build even more palatial residences for himself. The money went to the select Sunnis who supported the regime, and not to the Shia majority. As is usual in situations where the flow of money is limited due to displeasure with the leadership of a country, it's never the elites who suffer, it's the poorest, which makes one ponder the usefulness of blockades. That said, is there a pragmatic response to the North Koreas and Burmas of the world? What is the role of the UN? What is the role of this subset of people on the Biofuels lists - people who actually take time away from the big screen TV to ponder these questions - a rarity in the US. Many of us have decided NOT to buy into the oil-based economy for various reasons. I know why I have chosen to move away: political - I don't wish to support the interplay of our government and businesses that provide oil; environmental concerns; economic concerns - it's sustainable, and let's be honest, I'm cheap; and finally I often find kindred spirits among the folks that I meet and work with here. I wonder if there is a feasible way to expand this model and use it to extend what I perceive to be commons goals or beliefs among the members of this list? A global Moveon.org or similar? As anyone who reads my posts will notice, I have a hard time keeping my hopes up with regards to my country. The last five years have seen the almost wholesale dismantling of many of the things that have made this country great: a somewhat equitable tax system (gone); an active EPA (gone); a social safety net (gone); a flawed but not rigid rich/poor gap (going) affordable health care (gone); civil liberties (gone) - I could go on. Why do Americans buy into this? Or, why do roughly half of Americans buy into it? Why do we drive Hummers while the rest of the world drives Smart Cars? I hope we can go forward with a government that is able to acknowledge and face the global issues confronting us. Mike - Sleepless in the SouthEast Weaver Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
I have a hard time believing this. Everyone knows the FBI would be the ones to do this. The CIA is for overseas hits. Duh. Kirk McLoren wrote: *Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134 *Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials. He didn't say it once. He said it twice. Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened. Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the CIA might take me out. Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole. Nagin said Bush gave him a hearty greeting and did not seem at all offended by Nagin's earlier outburst. I do think the pleas for help basically got the nation's attention, and the nation's attention got everybody to stop and re-evaluate what was going on, including the president. ... He basically said, 'Look, our response was not what it should have been and we're going to fix it right now.' Nagin said evacuation has been hampered by officials' difficulty grasping where state authority ends and federal authority begins and he said he very frankly urged Bush and Blanco to get a clear chain of command straightened out immediately. *Commentary: *This guy is unbelievable. He got on the tv news yesterday and started screamed (using a barrage of four letter words including repeated use of the f word) about how he had needed hundreds of greyhound buses to evacuate the poor in New Orleans before the storm hit, but no one would help. Yet he never mentioned all of the city school buses and city mass transportation vehicles he could have used, in accord with Louisiana's official disaster plan, but failed to. See photo below of flooded New Orleans school buses, which had been left sitting in the city parking lot /unused/ before the hurricane hit, because the mayor was too stupid to use them to help his own residents evacuate the city. See also the excerpt below the photo, from the Louisiana State Disaster Plan, authorizing cities to use local school buses and other forms of public transportation to evacuate residents.* * *Louisiana State Disaster Plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00* /The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.../ Why were the city school buses and mass transportation buses left sitting in empty lots before the hurricane hit, rather than being used to evacuate the poor? The mayor has no answer. Only misdirection, blame and finger-pointing. It's Bush's fault! And now abject paranoia. If this guy is the best the residents of New Orleans can come up with in terms of political representation, then they have only themselves to blame for the fact that they were not evacuated. The city had the means, and the opportunity. It just didn't have the leadership. President Bush called for the evacuation of Louisiana two days before the hurricane, yet the city school buses sat in the lots unused, thanks to this mayor's inaction. Blaming the federal and state governments is ridiculous at face value. And now this nutcase claims the CIA is going to try to take him out for yelling at federal and state officials. Truth be told, the voters of New Orleans ought to hold a recall election as quickly as possible, and get rid of this menace to society before he gets any more city residents killled. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
Maybe you could soothe Mayor Nagin with the news. ;)Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a hard time believing this. Everyone knows the FBI would be the ones to do this. The CIA is for overseas hits. Duh.Kirk McLoren wrote: *Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134 *Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials. He didn't say it once. He said it twice. Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: "If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened." Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the "CIA might take me out." Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
The food sucked. The cacapes were obviously frozen and microwaved, anf the wine was pink Zinfandel out of a box. Nothingt to get worked up about. The United Way always had MUCH better food at its soirees. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.html The Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors. The /Herald/ reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross. But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its general operating costs. - The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read that The Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund. I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd. If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient. Kirk */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
I'll call him from from a phone booth. I wouldn't want to be wiretapped... Kirk McLoren wrote: Maybe you could soothe Mayor Nagin with the news. ;) */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I have a hard time believing this. Everyone knows the FBI would be the ones to do this. The CIA is for overseas hits. Duh. Kirk McLoren wrote: *Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134 *Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials. He didn't say it once. He said it twice. Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened. Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the CIA might take me out. Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I, on the other hand, am purposefully ignoring both Keith and Hakan and am kind of hurt that neither one has even noticed. Hakan and Keith, please ignore this post. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype all who are enduring the same consequence when not all made decisions on the same basis. A bit like saying all Canadians who choose to live in Texas are as dumb as bricks. Or that all black single moms are sucking on the government welfare teat. Maybe there are extinuating circumstances that rip such rants to shreds under even the most simplified examination. Todd Swearingen Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists .org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
Did they say why? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
That's a shame. For what they charged the general fund you should have had the real thing. Wonder where the buckolas went. :)Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The food sucked. The cacapes were obviously frozen and microwaved, anf the wine was pink Zinfandel out of a box. Nothingt to get worked up about.The United Way always had MUCH better food at its soirees.Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.html The Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors. The /Herald/ reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross. But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its "general operating costs". - The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read that The Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund. I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd. If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient. Kirk Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
They said because Homeland Security wanted to concentrate on only evacuating people, so would not allow anyone in to bring food, water and medical supplies except the military. I also heard a whole fleet of school buses was lined up 20 miles away ready to evacuate people, but Homeland Security wouldn't let them come in for 2 days because there weren't enough National Guard to put 1 on each bus. (They were busy in Iraq.) Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Did they say why? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablel ists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's brand of 'conservatism'?
Very interesting. While the folks at redstate.org are already counter-spinning hard due to the supposed bias in the MSM (Mainstream Media), more intellectual folks are starting to ask if Katrina represents a tipping point for the current administration and their worldview. I first noticed it with Fukuyama's recent column about Iraq on Tuesday. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/opinion/31fukuyama.html Then Brooks wrote an interesting history of Floods and US politics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html The same day Douthat wrote an eye-opening piece on the neo-con world view and how it deals with 9/11 versus Katrina. http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/09/anti-911-on-september-11-there-was.php Noam Scheiber at the New Republic replied to Douthat's piece. http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2764 Then Tom Bartnett said the Bush admin makes Jon Stewart's job such a frickin' cakewalk that the man should send his Peabody's to the White House as a thank-you. http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/archives2/002244.html And finally, today Brooks essentially said we've already reached the tipping point since the Bush adminstration lacks competence. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html Very interesting times we live in. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.
ok, i'm getting really confused. it's been forever since my sunday school days, but i thought the real story had something to do with klingons and uranus. . . . -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 7:42:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular internationalcelebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to "show off" this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
I am aware of all the na sayers about collidal silver but the stuff still works. I have seen this stuff change people's lifes, I'm not trying to make a buck I just like seeing people happy and healthy. In a world where the drug companys make billions and the side effects are worse than what you are trying to cure. For that matter kill you. What does a country hic like me know? - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
Uh, actually he figured out all the National Guardsmen are in Iraq and Cuba is planning to invade. This is the advance unit. We'll all be speaking Spanish, and swaying to the Cuban beat by Christmas. I, for one, am looking forward to the food if nothing else. Gracias, Miguel ith Addison wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
It's clear to me that The Red Cross is in league w/ Castro as well as the Canadians. We're just lucky the Bush Administration saw through this little scheme and kept them all out, otra vez, viva la revolucion, eh? BTW, those Kalashnikov stethoscopes suck. I bought a dozen on Ebay and all I can hear is myself breathing. Keith Addison wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trainsted, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their ethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
Look up rendering or trap grease. Or look on the side of the restaurant barrel. Manny Elgarresta wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular international celebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to show off this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 10:14:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
I tried to get my dealers to order me one, but no one would, Just got luckey and they had just got one in from texas,. Dark green and 27000 miles on it, 37000 new sticker price, the flex fuel motor was 800.00I got it for 23000, WOW, From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun PM 01:12:40 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
this is so off base it's not even funny. i could go on at length about this, jeromie, but i think i can boil that message down, adn save a lot of bandwidth, by agreeing with you on one point: you're right, definitely not a humble opinion. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 11:26:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. #2 I about fell off my couch when I read this. The poor wont be paying for the rich to have a tax break. Flat taxes would be fair, if I make $1, I pay XX%. Very simple. If I can figure out how to make $10 while you can only figure out how to make $1, why should I have to give more then XX% of it over then you? Cause your unable or unwilling to make more? Thats not right at all. A flat tax IS. Something that I have yet to see is lets solve the real tax issue. IMNSHO the real issue is the goverment waste of money, tax breeaks to large companies (normaly people who give donations to the right pockets) and other misguided efforts of people. If we were to truely reform taxes to a flat tax (a good thing) it would mean we HAVE reformed the goverment spending process (and a whole lot more) Jeromie Reeves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
Hi Manny, Where are you located. I am setting up a WVO filtering system in Nova Scotia and will be able to supply clean WVO. But that is no good to you if you are in California. I presume the shipping would be to expensive. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^ Nova Scotia going smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
It always makes good copy, this kind of yarn, but it's a cheap hit unless they can really nail it down, and I don't think they did. We've seen some flakey stuff from the SMH before now, for instance in the leading role they played in the disinfo campaign against ethanol a year or two back. Kirk, are you perhaps holding the Red Cross guilty until proven innocent? I much prefer smaller agencies, but that's not to say there isn't a role for the big ones. They're criticisable, like everyone else, but for all their faults I reckon the world would be a lot worse off without the Red Cross. Best Keith http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-u sed-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.htmlhttp://www.smh.com.au/ news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/0 8/04/1123125841428.html The Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors. The Herald reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross. But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its general operating costs. - The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read that The Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund. I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd. If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient. Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I, on the other hand, am purposefully ignoring both Keith and Hakan and am kind of hurt that neither one has even noticed. Hakan and Keith, please ignore this post. What post? Keith Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? Sounds like good presidential material to me. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 7:42:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
My first thought is to look on the waste oil Dumpsters behind restaurants. The onesI see have their name and number on them. You just might want to use a phone that won't be traced back to you for starters. They own the oil in them and if you start dumpster diving they will know where to look for their missing oil. Just a thought Best of luck Roy Washbish Manny Elgarresta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular internationalcelebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to "show off" this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
Yup. Maybe one of us could be a Democrat and the other a Republican. I call Democrat. Keith Addison wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? Sounds like good presidential material to me. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 7:42:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
And a double flat tax on inherited wealth! Or something. In the US it pays to have high prenatal intelligence. Pick rich parents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is so off base it's not even funny. i could go on at length about this, jeromie, but i think i can boil that message down, adn save a lot of bandwidth, by agreeing with you on one point: you're right, definitely not a humble opinion. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 11:26:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. #2 I about fell off my couch when I read this. The poor wont be paying for the rich to have a tax break. Flat taxes would be fair, if I make $1, I pay XX%. Very simple. If I can figure out how to make $10 while you can only figure out how to make $1, why should I have to give more then XX% of it over then you? Cause your unable or unwilling to make more? Thats not right at all. A flat tax IS. Something that I have yet to see is lets solve the real tax issue. IMNSHO the real issue is the goverment waste of money, tax breeaks to large companies (normaly people who give donations to the right pockets) and other misguided efforts of people. If we were to truely reform taxes to a flat tax (a good thing) it would mean we HAVE reformed the goverment spending process (and a whole lot more) Jeromie Reeves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Just look at the Iran/Iraq war. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 10:14:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
What all does it run on? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to get my dealers to order me one, but no one would, Just got luckey and they had just got one in from texas,. Dark green and 27000 miles on it, 37000 new sticker price, the flex fuel motor was 800.00I got it for 23000, WOW, From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun PM 01:12:40 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
I suppose it boils down to my mothers experience with red cross (1945). She received a loan from them - nothing was given. The aid which others gave to the red crosswas loaned and repaid with interest to the red cross. I also know from when I lived in Montana that the state got a bill from red cross for the coffee and donuts for fire fighters. The people passing the goodies out were volunteers and much of the donuts and coffee was donated by local business. I think there are charities that don't pay big salaries and perks and get the donations to the needy AS DONATIONS. I understand the Salvation Army is one of the best in terms of getting donations to the needy. I don't know how much of each dollar red cross diverts but I did find this: According to the annual financial forms filed with the IRS for the American Red Cross, as made available at Guidestar: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/530/196/2004-530196605-1-9.pdf [NOTE: Free registration at Guidestar may be required to view this form] Ms. Evans, in 2004, received a salary of $450,008, and additional benefits of $18,591. Kirk Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It always makes good copy, this kind of yarn, but it's a cheap hit unless they can really nail it down, and I don't think they did. We've seen some flakey stuff from the SMH before now, for instance in the leading role they played in the disinfo campaign against ethanol a year or two back.Kirk, are you perhaps holding the Red Cross guilty until proven innocent? I much prefer smaller agencies, but that's not to say there isn't a role for the big ones. They're criticisable, like everyone else, but for all their faults I reckon the world would be a lot worse off without the Red Cross.BestKeithsed-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.htmlhttp://www.smh.com.au/ news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/0 8/04/1123125841428.htmlThe Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors.The Herald reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross.But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its "general operating costs".-The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read thatThe Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund. I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd.If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient.Kirk Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
E85, 85% ethanol, 15 % Gas, or Gas. A flex fuel will say FFV inside the gas cap cover flap From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun PM 04:35:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all What all does it run on? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to get my dealers to order me one, but no one would, Just got luckey and they had just got one in from texas,. Dark green and 27000 miles on it, 37000 new sticker price, the flex fuel motor was 800.00I got it for 23000, WOW, From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun PM 01:12:40 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
whispered through clenched teeth shoot, mike(s), come on. if i'm going to shill for you, you've got to let it play out. we've got a great scam going, and if all goes as planned you'll win no matter who the people vote for. but your provocative smart aleck remarks could sabotage the whole thing! now, here, have another vicodin, and lay off the booze will ya? In a message dated 9/4/05 2:35:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Source for WVO
Manny: it sounds like you're in the US. One of the biggest recyclers is Griffin Industries. Most of their plants process the WVO to soaps and commercial cleaners, some ship to KY where they make BioD. I don't think they'll sell their raw feed stock to you as it might seem like a conflict of interest. To be above boards they'd need to charge taxes, road tax, etc and it might get sticky. In addition, for all the reasons you want to make it happen, they DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN. What would happen to their business if all the restaurant's WVO went to people fueling cars? It is the same reasons the US had the democratically elected president of Chile assassinated (1973 - Allende). Why was that? What would the US do if a Socialist country actually succeeded? That wouldn't be good for OUR business, now, would it? Same in Argentina, Honduras, Cuba, and today, Venezuela. I suggest you find an agreeing restaurant who will give you the WVO and collect it yourself. Perhaps, as I do, I use a few different ones, and still don't take it all, so the collector still comes and gets the bottoms every so often. If the contract ends with the collection company then you'll also need to supply a collection barrel for them to use. A friend of mine has an agreement with a restaurant or two where they put the oil into the original 35# box/plastic containers. He simply picks it up. For that I believe he takes care of the one's who actually take the time to do that with some home made soaps, and other favors. Look up rendering or trap grease. Or look on the side of the restaurant barrel. Manny Elgarresta wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular international celebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to show off this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
Hi all, I wandered the web for a bit and found these as well many others: http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/Overview.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/mar99/922773845.Eg.r.html http://www.google.com/search? q=commercial+aircraft+fuel+efficiency++turboprop While these don't give specific answers, It seems like turboprops might be most efficient for delivering large loads, fairly quickly, with least fuel. Seems like one of the issues is pounds of fuel per hour vs speed. Does anyone know the fuel costs associated with delivering people at 800 kmph versus the 500 kmph? Should we be replacing our medium range jet fleets with turboprops? Taryn. http://ornae.com/ On Sep 4, 2005, at 2:43 AM, Alan Petrillo wrote: Greg and April wrote: The short answer is no. The short answer is _yes_. Baylor University did some testing with B20 in their Beech King Air 90, and found that it did just fine. The report was available at the biodiesel.org website for a while, but I can't find it just now. A Google search of the site produced this: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/ 19981001_gen-106.pdf Purdue University also did some testing on aviation fuel, and the report is available here: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/ 19950601_gen-144.pdf Keep in mind, turbines are, almost by definition, multifuel engines. As long as it doesn't overheat their burn units turbines don't care what they're running on. You should see the list of alternate fuels for the OH-58 scout helicopters I flew in the Army! ... Jet travel is also one of the least efficient forms of transportation there is. That depends on how you look at it. If you consider it in terms of passenger seat miles per gallon then it comes out around 24mpg, IIRC, which beats most SUV's. I did have a link to an article which went into this much more in depth, but I have lost it. ... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Happy Happy
Hi Gustl, Anytime! :-) Regards. Vin :: Hallo Vin, Ano na Kababayan, happy happy ba tayo! Happy Happy, Gustl __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
Hi all, I know that this has been discussed in the past but, a search of the archives turns up discussions from a few years ago (unless my searching was less than adequate). Seems to me that the timing is right to rehash the topic. I have been researching solar hot water and radiant heating periodically for a while now, knowing that I have a few zones in my house that are not sufficiently warm. I also know that I want to do whatever I can to conserve. Under the current circumstances here in the U.S., there is no better time than now. Yeah, I know, yesterday was the best time but, I was fishing. In our particular situation, we have two bedrooms that stay on the cooler side (actually they're downright cold). They are over the garage and on the north side of the house. The garage below is unfinished but the ceiling above the garage is insulated. However, the house is 50 years old. I have no idea how old that insulation is nor do I know the R-factor of it. I would like to finish/insulate the garage walls, pull down the garage ceiling, install radiant heating below my sons' bedrooms and reinsulate the garage ceiling. I know that proper insulation alone will make a big difference but, based on several variables I am certain that it won't fix the problem all together. I plan to implement a system that gathers the Sun's energy within a solar collector filled with an anti-freeze of sorts. The heat produced is transferred to water stored in an insulated storage tank via a heat exchange and then distributed to the zones via tubing. Sound like the standard setup? I am also considering building a window unit like I've seen in books by the Rodale Press. Additionally, I am still in the process of scrounging parts for my biodiesel processor. If I do this right, I could use the system to pre-heat my feed stock at a minimum. I plan to add more radiant solar heat to the rest of the house later but, because of the layout of the house, I will likely create two independent systems. This goes along nicely with my techy nature of building in redundancy anyway. Now, the questions that I pose to you are these: 1. Is this, truly, a worthwile endeavor? I suppose I should mention that I live in Lancaster County, PA U.S. 2. What is The source for information on this subject? 3. Can I Appropriately build a solar collector that is as efficient? (When I say Appropriately I mean - With materials that are readily available and sensible) 4. Should I plan to add on instead of having 2 separate systems? 5. Is there any reason why I couldn't use automotive anti-freeze? 6. Does any one have experience with Radiantec? I am considering using some of their components. 7. What is the group's collective experience? 8. Might I be better off building a window mounted solar collector initially? 9. Are there other more efficient solutions? Thanks for the bandwidth, Take care, Ken ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
Ken Dunn wrote: 7. What is the group's collective experience? I have radiant hot water heat in my house and I'm happy enough with the system to say that I don't wish to live WITHOUT radiant heat in the future. It's probably colder where you live during the winter than it is here on the left coast, and the colder your climate, the faster the energy savings of radiant heat will pay back. We installed the plastic tubing directly beneath the floor boards on our upper floor, which was a LOT of shoulder and back breaking work! Doing this enables our upper floor to heat quickly, giving our system a faster overall response time. If you do this, however, you'll want to install grommets in the floor joists. We didn't, so whenever the boiler fires up, the plastic pipes tap against the joists. It sounds like a myriad of golf balls bouncing on the floor--not altogether unpleasant, but certainly something unnecessary. Our lower floor has its tubing buried directly in the foundation concrete. It heats up slower, but also cools down slower, so the lower floor of the house stays at a very even temperature throughout the heating season. If you can do fibernet concrete in your installation, I would recommend it. Radiant floor heat is very comfortable and energy efficient. Our house, which is among the smallest in our neighborhood, uses about forty percent of the energy for heating of a comparably sized home with forced air, and considerably less than the towering behemoths that populate our subdivision. Part of that greater efficiency, however, may stem from the fact that I sealed every join between floor and wall and caulked around every window when we built the house. (The carpenters thought I was crazy, but then, so does everyone else!) We also have R 50 cellulose blown into our attic. Our house stays nice and warm when it's cold outside, even in the nearly constant, prevailing wind that blows around up here during the winter. Another nice feature of radiant heat, is that the propylene glycol / water mix (don't use ethylene glycol) can be heated by a variety of means. You can set your boiler to heat an insulated storage tank and put in an extra coil for solar input. If the thermostat on the storage tank is set for a given temperature, your boiler will only activate when the solar thermal energy has been used first. In theory, you could tap heat from the tank for domestic hot water as well, so a single system could serve home heating and water heating. Most good boilers are more efficient than water heater tanks, engendering another savings (albeit a small one) down the road. Disadvantages include: 1. The potential for structural damage with a leak. A properly designed system SHOULDN'T leak, but then, I live in earthquake country and we have to take that risk seriously. 2. Greater initial expense for radiant heat. 3. Lag time between outdoor temperature drops and the response of the system. 4. Wood fired boilers pollute more than wood fired forced air systems because water is much more efficient at removing heat energy from the fire box. This can also result in creosote build up. If I were to build another house, I would use solar thermal storage in the foundation mass, coupled with a gasifying boiler and radiant heat. That would be efficient to operate and inexpensive to run. 8. Might I be better off building a window mounted solar collector initially? This might overheat the room if you're not careful. 9. Are there other more efficient solutions? Start with insulation and draft proofing. Get good windows and use window quilts wherever possible. Once you've taken care of these easily implemented, affordable solutions, the rest will cost less money and involve less work. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
As a rule of thumb a dollar of insulation buys more BTUs than a dollar of collector. This is probably true until you pass R50 for the roof/ceiling and R40 for the walls. Moveable insulation is much cheaper than hitek windows but only you know if you will be diligent in its use. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dejabook/ Has Harnessing the Sun and the Deja 3.1 viewer in the files section I recommend it. KirkKen Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I know that this has been discussed in the past but, a search of the archives turns up discussions from a few years ago (unless my searching was less than adequate). Seems to me that the timing is right to rehash the topic.I have been researching solar hot water and radiant heating periodically for a while now, knowing that I have a few zones in my house that are not sufficiently warm. I also know that I want to do whatever I can to conserve. Under the current circumstances here in the U.S., there is no better time than now. Yeah, I know, yesterday was the best time but, I was fishing.In our particular situation, we have two bedrooms that stay on the cooler side (actually they're downright cold). They are over the garage and on the north side of the house. The garage below is unfinished but the ceiling above the garage is insulated. However, the house is 50 years old. I have no idea how old that insulation is nor do I know the R-factor of it. I would like to finish/insulate the garage walls, pull down the garage ceiling, install radiant heating below my sons' bedrooms and reinsulate the garage ceiling. I know that proper insulation alone will make a big difference but, based on several variables I am certain that it won't fix the problem all together.I plan to implement a system that gathers the Sun's energy within a solar collector filled with an anti-freeze of sorts. The heat produced is transferred to water stored in an insulated storage tank via a heat exchange and then distributed to the "zones" via tubing. Sound like the standard setup? I am also considering building a window unit like I've seen in books by the Rodale Press. Additionally, I am still in the process of scrounging parts for my biodiesel processor. If I do this right, I could use the system to pre-heat my feed stock at a minimum. I plan to add more radiant solar heat to the rest of the house later but, because of the layout of the house, I will likely create two independent systems. This goes along nicely with my techy nature of building in redundancy anyway.Now, the questions that I pose to you are these:1. Is this, truly, a worthwile endeavor? I suppose I should mentionthat I live in Lancaster County, PA U.S.2. What is "The" source for information on this subject?3. Can I Appropriately build a solar collector that is as efficient? (When I say Appropriately I mean -With materials that are readily available and sensible)4. Should I plan to "add on" instead of having 2 separate systems?5. Is there any reason why I couldn't use automotive anti-freeze?6. Does any one have experience with Radiantec? I amconsidering using some of their components.7. What is the group's collective experience?8. Might I be better off building a window mounted solar collector initially?9. Are there other more efficient solutions?Thanks for the bandwidth,Take care,Ken***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
On 9/4/05, *robert luis rabello* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do this, however, you'll want to install grommets in the floor joists. We didn't, so whenever the boiler fires up, the plastic pipes tap against the joists. It sounds like a myriad of golf balls bouncing on the floor--not altogether unpleasant, but certainly something unnecessary. Is there a specific type of material or will any old grommet do? Part of that greater efficiency, however, may stem from the fact that I sealed every join between floor and wall and caulked around every window when we built the house. I'm working on that sort of stuff but, it's much slower in the retro-fit. You can set your boiler to heat an insulated storage tank and put in an extra coil for solar input. If the thermostat on the storage tank is set for a given temperature, your boiler will only activate when the solar thermal energy has been used first. This is something that I've been trying to figure out for a while. I was way over complicating the design in my head. As long as I build or modify the storage tank myself and change my thermostat, it's not nearly as complicated as I initially thought. In theory, you could tap heat from the tank for domestic hot water as well, so a single system could serve home heating and water heating. That was definitely a design consideration that I skipped in my post. I was planning on implementing that as addition 2 of phase 2. Most good boilers are more efficient than water heater tanks, engendering another savings (albeit a small one) down the road. Disadvantages include: 1. The potential for structural damage with a leak. A properly designed system SHOULDN'T leak, but then, I live in earthquake country and we have to take that risk seriously. This isn't TOO much of a concern for us as the plumbing will be in the basement. Part of our basement is finished but, a good disaster would be just the reason to do all the proper insulating which my better half is none too enthusiastic about. 2. Greater initial expense for radiant heat. How so? Of course, I'm not dealing with initial expenses here anyway. 4. Wood fired boilers pollute more than wood fired forced air systems because water is much more efficient at removing heat energy from the fire box. This can also result in creosote build up. From a related yet different perspective, do I introduce any trouble by burning my wood burning fireplace insert? In seems to do a very good job and has a fan. Do you reverse ceiling fans during the winter? I'll be performing on-site tests this winter in order to prove either my wife or myself correct. Start with insulation and draft proofing. Get good windows and use window quilts wherever possible. Once you've taken care of these easily implemented, affordable solutions, the rest will cost less money and involve less work. As I mentioned before, I'm working toward that end. It certainly takes a while when you're taking over a home. Thanks much for your comments, Take care, Ken ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
On 9/4/05, *Kirk McLoren* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a rule of thumb a dollar of insulation buys more BTUs than a dollar of collector. This is probably true until you pass R50 for the roof/ceiling and R40 for the walls. I couldn't agree more. I'd like to bank on doing the proper insulation alone before winter but, I am not willing to take the chance that insulation alone will protect me enough from the energy crisis that we're about to witness. Thanks much, Take care, Ken ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
Ken Dunn wrote: Is there a specific type of material or will any old grommet do? Neoprene rubber is the recommended material. (Plumbing complexity) This is something that I've been trying to figure out for a while. I was way over complicating the design in my head. As long as I build or modify the storage tank myself and change my thermostat, it's not nearly as complicated as I initially thought. It doesn't need to be terribly complex. Ours was installed by a plumber whom I would never accuse of being the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree! ($$$) How so? Of course, I'm not dealing with initial expenses here anyway. The initial cost of a boiler tends to exceed that of a furnace, and in our case, we installed a heat recovery ventilator. (Our boiler is rated at 30 000 Btu and is tiny!) By the time we paid for everything, we invested about $1 500 more in our radiant floor heating than would have been the case with a contractor installed forced air system. Labor to install radiant heat is likely the most significant expense. My wife and I installed all the tubing ourselves, with a lot of help from some friends. (Ok, maybe that was the other way around!) It's a LOT of work, but the work is well worth your effort if you can do it yourself. From a related yet different perspective, do I introduce any trouble by burning my wood burning fireplace insert? No. Do you reverse ceiling fans during the winter? No, that isn't necessary. It seems a little counterintuitive, but you've got to appreciate that radiant heat very gently transfers into the air above the floor, where most of the energy is going. Heat rises naturally and gradually over time, forming thermal gradients that make the air near the ceiling cooler. I walk around my house with bare feet all winter long. If I feel uncomfortable, I simply put my feet on the floor. Thanks much for your comments, You're welcome! ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. I do too, but it's almost always tea! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
John, Actually I'm on the east coast in Miami Beach unfortunately still too far away. Just out of curiosity, how much would you have charged per gallon for 300 to 500 gallons? - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO? Hi Manny, Where are you located. I am setting up a WVO filtering system in Nova Scotia and will be able to supply clean WVO. But that is no good to you if you are in California. I presume the shipping would be to expensive. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^ Nova Scotia going smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
Thanks roy...I will go and look at those cannisters. I have no thoughts of diving into those waste oil dumpsters, so I don't care if they trace my call. I'm actually interested in buying the oil from them. - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO? My first thought is to look on the waste oil Dumpsters behind restaurants. The onesI see have their name and number on them. You just might want to use a phone that won't be traced back to you for starters. They own the oil in them and if you start dumpster diving they will know where to look for their missing oil. Just a thought Best of luck Roy Washbish Manny Elgarresta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular internationalcelebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to "show off" this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Oil shale
While we were trying to do the math, O'Connor told us the answers. Upwards of a million barrels an acre, a billion barrels a square mile. And the oil shale formation in the Green River Basin, most of which is in Colorado, covers more than a thousand square miles - the largest fossil fuel deposits in the world. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_4051709,00.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's brand of 'conservatism'?
Good articles, but I sure wish people (who are mostly progressive and should know better) would stop referring to people who are taking food and supplies, in order to survive, as looters. It makes them sound like violent savages, when in fact, they are barely surviving in a hell hole, with little help from their government services. Joyce W On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 01:34:58PM -0400, John Hayes wrote: Very interesting. While the folks at redstate.org are already counter-spinning hard due to the supposed bias in the MSM (Mainstream Media), more intellectual folks are starting to ask if Katrina represents a tipping point for the current administration and their worldview. I first noticed it with Fukuyama's recent column about Iraq on Tuesday. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/opinion/31fukuyama.html Then Brooks wrote an interesting history of Floods and US politics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html The same day Douthat wrote an eye-opening piece on the neo-con world view and how it deals with 9/11 versus Katrina. http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/09/anti-911-on-september-11-there-was.php Noam Scheiber at the New Republic replied to Douthat's piece. http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2764 Tom Bartnett said the Bush admin makes Jon Stewart's job such a frickin' cakewalk that the man should send his Peabody's to the White House as a thank-you. http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/archives2/002244.html And then today Brooks essentially said we've already reached the tipping point since the Bush adminstration lacks competence. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html Very interesting times we live in. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
nuts. who told you about the Vicodin? was it Redler? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whispered through clenched teeth shoot, mike(s), come on. if i'm going to shill for you, you've got to let it play out. we've got a great scam going, and if all goes as planned you'll win no matter who the people vote for. but your provocative smart aleck remarks could sabotage the whole thing! now, here, have another vicodin, and lay off the booze will ya? In a message dated 9/4/05 2:35:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
robert luis rabello wrote: Ken Dunn wrote: Is there a specific type of material or will any old grommet do? Neoprene rubber is the recommended material. (Plumbing complexity) This is something that I've been trying to figure out for a while. I was way over complicating the design in my head. As long as I build or modify the storage tank myself and change my thermostat, it's not nearly as complicated as I initially thought. It doesn't need to be terribly complex. Ours was installed by a plumber whom I would never accuse of being the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree! ($$$) How so? Of course, I'm not dealing with initial expenses here anyway. The initial cost of a boiler tends to exceed that of a furnace, and in our case, we installed a heat recovery ventilator. (Our boiler is rated at 30 000 Btu and is tiny!) By the time we paid for everything, we invested about $1 500 more in our radiant floor heating than would have been the case with a contractor installed forced air system. Labor to install radiant heat is likely the most significant expense. My wife and I installed all the tubing ourselves, with a lot of help from some friends. (Ok, maybe that was the other way around!) It's a LOT of work, but the work is well worth your effort if you can do it yourself. From a related yet different perspective, do I introduce any trouble by burning my wood burning fireplace insert? No. Do you reverse ceiling fans during the winter? No, that isn't necessary. It seems a little counterintuitive, but you've got to appreciate that radiant heat very gently transfers into the air above the floor, where most of the energy is going. Heat rises naturally and gradually over time, forming thermal gradients that make the air near the ceiling cooler. I walk around my house with bare feet all winter long. If I feel uncomfortable, I simply put my feet on the floor. Thanks much for your comments, You're welcome! ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. I do too, but it's almost always tea! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ For inexpensive system run a standard hot water tank, a couple grunfos pumps on an open ended system. It doesnt need to be complicated or expensive, a solar preheat from the hot water can be helpful, although you will need a heat exchanger to run the antifreeze (Helios ? I think in Oakland makes a good one, or you could fashion one up). Put in the tubing and insulate as you can. I have a design for low cost system (less then 2k$) if you are interested for 2 story 1600sq.ft. house if you want general outline of bits and pieces. S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Mike Weaver wrote: And a double flat tax on inherited wealth! Or something. In the US it pays to have high prenatal intelligence. Pick rich parents. Why tax it as anything more thne income? Income is income. If you start with oh this shoudl be taxed like this and that should be taxed that way you will end up right back where we are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is so off base it's not even funny. Please tell me what you feel is off base (and what base would this be, the topic?) i could go on at length about this, Please do. jeromie, but i think i can boil that message down, adn save a lot of bandwidth, Stop by irc.dal.net #computers I am Crackers`n`Soup and we can save some list bandwidth by agreeing with you on one point: you're right, definitely not a humble opinion. I will eat crow when it is called for. Tell then, I speak as I see it. I will not change my point of view unless something is presented to me for such a action. To date the only way that has happened is via communication. Jeromie -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 11:26:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
