Re: Regarding Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Thunderbird is fully workable with WE. And I have had no trouble in 
getting it to work with Hotmail.


On 1/11/2017 4:24 AM, Mary Heinrichs via Talk wrote:
> Hi. I forgot to ask, is Thunderbird screen reader accessible? So not only am 
> I wondering if it works with Hotmail, is it still screen reader accessible 
> because I can't find the folders in Microsoft Outlook like I was able to 
> before I have to actually type in what folder I want to go into with 
> Microsoft Outlook as in junk, deleted items, ETC. Thanks.
> Maria
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Regarding Thunderbird

[Mary Heinrichs via Talk]

Hi. I forgot to ask, is Thunderbird screen reader accessible? So not only am I 
wondering if it works with Hotmail, is it still screen reader accessible 
because I can't find the folders in Microsoft Outlook like I was able to before 
I have to actually type in what folder I want to go into with Microsoft Outlook 
as in junk, deleted items, ETC. Thanks.
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[Mary Heinrichs via Talk]

Hi. This is Maria. I was just wondering, ... does Thunderbird work with 
Hotmail? I'm having a lot of trouble with Microsoft Outlook and I want to 
change to Thunderbird. Thanks.
Maria
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Re: all calls now directed to VFO

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

pATIENCE, PEOPLE. tHI kind of thing happens all the time. Hostess 
products went bye-bye because the company was bought out. Yahoo may or 
may not be bought by Verizon; if it is, the name could change. The van 
company that I use for transportattion was sold to a company from the 
UK. So we just have to let the pieces fall how they may, and do what we 
need/want to when/if the timeto do anything comes.


Peace.
Linette

S

On 1/10/2017 3:11 PM, Michael via Talk wrote:

Hi.  The subject says it all.  Just for the heck of it, I called the number
for the former Gw Micro that I have known since 1999 when I first obtained
Window-eyes which was version 3.0.  The number connected to the VFO
automated system.  So, all phone  numbers related to the merged companies
will connect callers to VFO. Out of curiosity, I called the number for Ai
Squared beginning with the 802 area code because I had questions about my S
M A.  I tried to ask a person in the sales department, but I was told to ask
someone in tech support. The person in tech support told me to ask someone
in the sales department.  So, for now, I'll give more time for the kinks to
be worked out, smile.   Neither person with whom I spoke had a clue.  I am
not complaining; I'm merely explaining my experience.



I am in agreemtnt with those who provided thoughtful comments as opposed to
those commenting that the folks are laughing all the way to the bank, that
they owe us a favor, that they should provide reassurance, and so on.
Neither one of the people with whom I spoke made me feel like I mattered as
a customer.  Window-eyes is not even mentioned during the recorded
announcement, but yet I am not ashamed to tell the folks at VFO that I'm
using Window-eyes because Window-eyes is still a part of the merger until we
customers are notified officially what changes will take place in addition
to those which have already happened.



Mike M.

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Re: unisntalling window-eyes

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

You can use the Window-Eyes Emergency Removal utility.  It is on your 
program disc, or you can download it from the following link:


http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Downloads/?fileNo=1114

This should only be used if you can't uninstall Window-Eyes normally.


Hope this helps.

-Original Message- 
From: Casey via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 11:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: unisntalling window-eyes

hi at some point to day I am needing to uninstall window-eyes completely
from my system.
And have no traces of it left what is the best way to do this?
I only installed window-eyes with the down loads.
So that is why I am asking on the best way to do this.
Thank you and have A nice day.


--
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all calls now directed to VFO

[Michael via Talk]

Hi.  The subject says it all.  Just for the heck of it, I called the number
for the former Gw Micro that I have known since 1999 when I first obtained
Window-eyes which was version 3.0.  The number connected to the VFO
automated system.  So, all phone  numbers related to the merged companies
will connect callers to VFO. Out of curiosity, I called the number for Ai
Squared beginning with the 802 area code because I had questions about my S
M A.  I tried to ask a person in the sales department, but I was told to ask
someone in tech support. The person in tech support told me to ask someone
in the sales department.  So, for now, I'll give more time for the kinks to
be worked out, smile.   Neither person with whom I spoke had a clue.  I am
not complaining; I'm merely explaining my experience.  

 

I am in agreemtnt with those who provided thoughtful comments as opposed to
those commenting that the folks are laughing all the way to the bank, that
they owe us a favor, that they should provide reassurance, and so on.
Neither one of the people with whom I spoke made me feel like I mattered as
a customer.  Window-eyes is not even mentioned during the recorded
announcement, but yet I am not ashamed to tell the folks at VFO that I'm
using Window-eyes because Window-eyes is still a part of the merger until we
customers are notified officially what changes will take place in addition
to those which have already happened. 

 

Mike M.  

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Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I can think of a reason to keep the secret.  Follow the money.  As long 
as there are people willing to purchase the product and spend money on 
an sma, why would you say you were dropping the product? Most GW Micro 
people are gone, and there has been no announcement of continuing 
development or product support.  Just because they are willing to sell 
you Window-eyes doesn't mean there will be further development or for 
that matter, support after the sale.  They'll take the money and laugh 
all the way to the bank.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2017, Chris Skarstad via Talk 
wrote:


Finally, some words of wisdom on the subject!  These guys aren't 
going to keep things secret on purpose.  they're not going should we tell 
them now? nope, lets make them wait a few more weeks...it's not like that. 
There are legal reasons why no announcement has been made.  Either keep using 
Window-eyes, or don't. the choice is up to you.





On 1/10/2017 8:22 AM, Barbara via Talk wrote:

 Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but we
 will
 have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business reasons
 that
 public announcements get delayed when there is a business reorganization.

 Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
 business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can become a
 corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses, and
 taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
 decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have
 effects
 which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the information on
 this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer can
 realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a
 government
 agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have more
 requirements for public disclosure.

 All the best,

 Barbara


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
 To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 ; Reeva Webb 
 Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

 Goodmorning all,

 Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
 them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of Window-eyes
 and
 what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.

 At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
 customers deserve some solid explanation

 Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
 selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
 comes out!

 Thanks, 






 Michael Micallef
 Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
 and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

 Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

 Email:
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 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
 To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!

 I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared list
 of
 brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
 just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be combined.
 -
 Original Message -
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!


If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on this
too
bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future will be
clear.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of
Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk" 
wrote:

I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he is
still
there.


On 1/9/2017 10:07 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

>  Hello
> 
>  As I mentioned previously,when the folks who do the real work leave, not

>  much can happen. I wonder how many of the GW team remains?
> 
>  Good luck to all of us, Peter Duran

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RE: All phone calls now directed to VFO

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I agree with much of what David has said below, but it seems to me that VFO 
could still be much more up front and direct about the changes being 
implemented and VFO's expectation that such changes will be beneficial to all 
of its customers.  Some corporate generated "spin" would be helpful.  

It is confusing to mere mortals who have paid for our Window-Eyes to read 
comments about dealers being withdrawn, but when I look here in New Zealand, I 
notice that VFO has two dealers, but neither of them historically at least 
deals with all products.  And in fact - I have an optelec braille display, 
purchased through a dealer who is not VFO.  So to whom has my Window-eyes 
record gone if I want support - which I don't and never get anyway? VFO as the 
front for Freedom Scientific has discouraged direct contact from customers 
outside of the U.S., whereas after much discussion I did have direct contact 
with the old GW Micro and the more recent AI Squared.   What happens if my 
Optelec product needs to be serviced?  So whilst mergers, takeovers, buy-outs 
etc inevitably bring changes as to how things are done, finding out through 
users being surprised at what they discover is simply bad public relations.
Regarding Window-eyes and my braille display: VFO still fronts Freedom 
Scientific far more vigourously than it does AI Squared and Optelec.  Given 
this - my uninformed, speculative logic indicates to me that perhaps Alva 
displays will be discontinued in preference to Focus displays, and that 
Window-Eyes will compete with NVDA as a free product, (but please donate if you 
like it) and so forth.  VFO's wall of death silence contributes to our 
uninformed speculation.  

Finally: why do we rant about this when VFO is not even having the decency of 
responding with at least some reassuring words prepared at great expense by the 
marketing and public relations team?

My answer: we just like talking to ourselves and venting, which is  the 
alternative to much more destructive courses of action.


Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2017 10:31 p.m.
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List; ukekearu...@valtdnet.com
Subject: Re: All phone calls now directed to VFO

Excuse me, please, but what is all the desperation about?


It is several months now, we have been aware VFO has bought AISquared, who in 
turn bought GWMicro a couple of years ago. So, would it not be simple as 
natural, to expect them to use their company name, when a customer calls in. If 
I changed my name to John, would you then be comfortable with me answering 
calls saying:

 "Hello, you are speaking to Peter!"?

Of course, if you are calling some department of VFO, it will be VFO and noone 
else who is rightfully answering the phone.


All you old-timers want them to still present themselves as GWMicro, 
when you call in. But if I was a new customer, or at least relatively 
new, calling a long-distance number for the first time - I sure would be 
confused if I know the manufacturer of my screen reader to be VFO, and 
someone comes on and say:

 "GWMicro, how may I help you?"


And since they are all one big company now, it is time for us to realize 
that their merging has been more fully completed. Gone are the days, 
when a front-desk operator had to be physically located in the same 
building as his employer. Who knows, when you call in now aday, the 
operator that answers the phone, might be sitting in his living room, 
back home in California, Texas, Virginia, or even in New England - 
simply just transfering your call to the actual department and personel.


Do you all know, that some companies even have dismissed their 
front-desk operator altogether these days? They buy the service from 
another company, who has specialized in that kind of services. So, 
calling a company, talking to some customer care personel, does no 
longer dictate that this person even is employed by the company he is 
representing when talking to you. He just sees which number you are 
calling, and knows what to answer accordingly.


Nope, I am by no means telling this to be the case here, but just 
because the company happens to use their real and updated name when 
answering the phone, does tell nothing as to whether they have stopped 
supporting their long-time customers.


Let's just finalize this message, with a scenario, and you all make up 
your mind. Imagine that GWMicro had never been sould out. They would 
have stayed exactly the same company, same staff, same productline. But 
for some reason, they decide to rename the company, giving themselves a 
more modern and humanlike name. So, they decide: We want to be named 
"Bread and butter".


Now, after the renaming process has all been completed with all 
authorities and registers, and you pick up your phone and call the 
company, what do you 

Re: Opening attachments in WLM

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

If you have window eyes, you open the message, hit f6, and then you tab 
through the headings til you get to the attachment, and hit enter on it.  It 
will ask you if you want to open it, tab through all of that and enter on 
yes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opening attachments in WLM

What usually works for me:

1. Open the email which has an attachment using ctrl F, as if you were going
to forward the email.

2. Tab down to the attachment, just after the subject line.

3. Hit enter.

4. follow the prompts.

5. Ifg the attachment is a text file, you should be able to read it. If it
is a
PDF you would then have to open the PDF. You may be able to read the PDF if
it is
a text based file.

If it is a scanned file, then Window-Eyes will think it is a picture and
won't be able to read it.

-Bob Ringwald


-Original Message- 
From: Jerrie Ricks via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 2:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Opening attachments in WLM

   I can't find anything in the menus about opening attachments.
Would someone be so kind as to giv me a clue?

-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 4:31 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: All phone calls now directed to VFO



We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the secret sits in the middle, and know.
 Robert Frost


Peace.
Linette



On 1/9/2017 2:38 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

there has been absolutely no official announcement that window-eyes is
going away. I'm so glad everyone here has all the answers and that we've
all made up our minds despite no official announcement yet.  If we did
everything your guys way we'd all be in real trouble.



On 1/9/2017 3:33 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

R I P Window-Eyes!  Even though we are still together, I must begin
preparing for the funeral service for real!  No, not trying to scare you,
but the handwriting is definitely on the wall and we can all refuse to
read
it.  Sad doom days slowly coming down with a bang, bang!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: system sounds, wineyes sound

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Typically, I have my system sounds set at about 50 percent of the 
setting for my Window-Eyes sound.  If Window-Eyes get too loud, you can 
lower its volume with the hot keys or in the control panel.  I don't 
know what the hot keys are for laptops.


Carol


On 1/10/2017 12:07 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
On my laptop, function 4 raises the volume of the system sounds, but 
wineyes does not increase in volume. Is there a way I can get both to 
increase and decrease by hitting  the combo of function key and F-4 
and F-5? In system sounds, I have system sounds and window eyes set at 
50 percent.

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system sounds, wineyes sound

[brice Mijares via Talk]

On my laptop, function 4 raises the volume of the system sounds, but 
wineyes does not increase in volume. Is there a way I can get both to 
increase and decrease by hitting  the combo of function key and F-4 and 
F-5? In system sounds, I have system sounds and window eyes set at 50 
percent.

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Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks very much for that!

Jim!


On 10-Jan-17 10:26, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 Finally, some words of wisdom on the subject!  These guys 
aren't going to keep things secret on purpose.  they're not going 
should we tell them now? nope, lets make them wait a few more 
weeks...it's not like that.  There are legal reasons why no 
announcement has been made.  Either keep using Window-eyes, or don't. 
the choice is up to you.





On 1/10/2017 8:22 AM, Barbara via Talk wrote:
Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but 
we will
have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business 
reasons that
public announcements get delayed when there is a business 
reorganization.


Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can 
become a
corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses, 
and

taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have 
effects
which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the 
information on
this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer 
can
realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a 
government
agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have 
more

requirements for public disclosure.

All the best,

Barbara


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Reeva Webb 
Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

Goodmorning all,

Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of 
Window-eyes and

what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.

At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
customers deserve some solid explanation

Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
comes out!

Thanks,





Michael Micallef
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and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!

I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared 
list of

brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be combined. 
-

Original Message -
   From: Reeva Webb via Talk
   To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!


   If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on 
this too
   bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future 
will be

   clear.

   "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
promised
   night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
Jericho


   Reeva

   On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk" 


   wrote:

   I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he 
is still

   there.


   On 1/9/2017 10:07 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

   > Hello
   >
   > As I mentioned previously,when the folks who do the real work 
leave, not

   > much can happen. I wonder how many of the GW team remains?
   >
   > Good luck to all of us, Peter Duran
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Re: window-eyes key commands in different programs

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

If you are talking about program information--control-shift-question is for 
program specific help with Window-eyes.  So, for example, if you want to 
know special things about Word, you would first run Word.  Then if the 
Window-eyes authors decided to include any specific help for word, and word 
is running and focused, control-shift-question mark would show you this 
help.


Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: window-eyes key commands in different programs

There used to be a way to find out what Window-Eyes key commands worked in 
different programs.  I think it had something to do with the “slash” key and 
the “question mark” key  Does that still apply, and what are the key 
combinations?

Kim Lingo
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RE: window-eyes key commands in different programs

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Jeff.  Correction.  Its insert 1 for keyboard help, and insert and the 
number 5 for turning on and off format alurt.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 8:31 AM
To: Kim Lingo; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: window-eyes key commands in different programs

Control-shift-slash is the window-eyes help key.  If there is some specific 
help for the application you are using, it could be found here.
Insert-f1 is the key describer toggle.  When you turn this on, then you can 
press different key combinations, and Window-eyes will tell you what that 
key combo does.  This also includes the hotkeys that launch your apps.
Press insert-f1 again to turn this off.

Jeff Weiss



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From: Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: window-eyes key commands in different programs

There used to be a way to find out what Window-Eyes key commands worked in 
different programs.  I think it had something to do with the “slash” key and 
the “question mark” key  Does that still apply, and what are the key 
combinations?
Kim Lingo
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Re: window-eyes key commands in different programs

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

Control-shift-slash is the window-eyes help key.  If there is some specific 
help for the application you are using, it could be found here.
Insert-f1 is the key describer toggle.  When you turn this on, then you can 
press different key combinations, and Window-eyes will tell you what that 
key combo does.  This also includes the hotkeys that launch your apps.

Press insert-f1 again to turn this off.

Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: window-eyes key commands in different programs

There used to be a way to find out what Window-Eyes key commands worked in 
different programs.  I think it had something to do with the “slash” key and 
the “question mark” key  Does that still apply, and what are the key 
combinations?

Kim Lingo
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Re: Spaces between Words

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

   Insert f5 toggles format allert on or off.
I think this will do what you want.
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Patricia Krinke via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 12:22 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Spaces between Words

Good aftermoon,

For some reason WE has stopped reading the number of blank spaces between 
characters or words.  I want it to read period two spaces word.  Please help 
me.


Thank you,


Trish
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Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

 Finally, some words of wisdom on the subject!  These guys 
aren't going to keep things secret on purpose.  they're not going should 
we tell them now? nope, lets make them wait a few more weeks...it's not 
like that.  There are legal reasons why no announcement has been made.  
Either keep using Window-eyes, or don't. the choice is up to you.





On 1/10/2017 8:22 AM, Barbara via Talk wrote:

Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but we will
have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business reasons that
public announcements get delayed when there is a business reorganization.

Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can become a
corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses, and
taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have effects
which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the information on
this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer can
realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a government
agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have more
requirements for public disclosure.

All the best,

Barbara


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Reeva Webb 
Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

Goodmorning all,

Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of Window-eyes and
what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.

At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
customers deserve some solid explanation

Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
comes out!

Thanks, 





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
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[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!

I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared list of
brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be combined. -
Original Message -
   From: Reeva Webb via Talk
   To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!


   If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on this too
   bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future will be
   clear.

   "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
   night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

   Reeva

   On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk" 
   wrote:

   I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he is still
   there.


   On 1/9/2017 10:07 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

   > Hello
   >
   > As I mentioned previously,when the folks who do the real work leave, not
   > much can happen. I wonder how many of the GW team remains?
   >
   > Good luck to all of us, Peter Duran
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RE: Best version of Thunderbird to use

[Jim via Talk]

Please tell me where I can download the latest version? 
Jim
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jimk8=frontier@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:18 PM
To: Jim Elsner; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Best version of Thunderbird to use

The latest.
Neville.


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> Members
> My system win7 home premium and latest we.
> What is the best version of Thunderbird to use?  I am using an older 
> version and starting to have problems.  Please advise.
> Jim
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RE: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Barbara via Talk]

Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but we will
have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business reasons that
public announcements get delayed when there is a business reorganization.  

Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can become a
corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses, and
taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have effects
which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the information on
this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer can
realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a government
agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have more
requirements for public disclosure.

All the best,

Barbara


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[mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Reeva Webb 
Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

Goodmorning all,

Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of Window-eyes and
what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.

At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
customers deserve some solid explanation

Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
comes out!

Thanks, 





Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

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[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!

I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared list of
brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be combined. -
Original Message - 
  From: Reeva Webb via Talk 
  To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!


  If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on this too
  bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future will be
  clear.

  "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
  night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

  Reeva

  On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk" 
  wrote:

  I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he is still
  there.


  On 1/9/2017 10:07 AM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

  > Hello
  >
  > As I mentioned previously,when the folks who do the real work leave, not
  > much can happen. I wonder how many of the GW team remains?
  >
  > Good luck to all of us, Peter Duran
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Re: All phone calls now directed to VFO

[David via Talk]

Excuse me, please, but what is all the desperation about?


It is several months now, we have been aware VFO has bought AISquared, 
who in turn bought GWMicro a couple of years ago. So, would it not be 
simple as natural, to expect them to use their company name, when a 
customer calls in. If I changed my name to John, would you then be 
comfortable with me answering calls saying:

 "Hello, you are speaking to Peter!"?

Of course, if you are calling some department of VFO, it will be VFO and 
noone else who is rightfully answering the phone.


All you old-timers want them to still present themselves as GWMicro, 
when you call in. But if I was a new customer, or at least relatively 
new, calling a long-distance number for the first time - I sure would be 
confused if I know the manufacturer of my screen reader to be VFO, and 
someone comes on and say:

 "GWMicro, how may I help you?"


And since they are all one big company now, it is time for us to realize 
that their merging has been more fully completed. Gone are the days, 
when a front-desk operator had to be physically located in the same 
building as his employer. Who knows, when you call in now aday, the 
operator that answers the phone, might be sitting in his living room, 
back home in California, Texas, Virginia, or even in New England - 
simply just transfering your call to the actual department and personel.


Do you all know, that some companies even have dismissed their 
front-desk operator altogether these days? They buy the service from 
another company, who has specialized in that kind of services. So, 
calling a company, talking to some customer care personel, does no 
longer dictate that this person even is employed by the company he is 
representing when talking to you. He just sees which number you are 
calling, and knows what to answer accordingly.


Nope, I am by no means telling this to be the case here, but just 
because the company happens to use their real and updated name when 
answering the phone, does tell nothing as to whether they have stopped 
supporting their long-time customers.


Let's just finalize this message, with a scenario, and you all make up 
your mind. Imagine that GWMicro had never been sould out. They would 
have stayed exactly the same company, same staff, same productline. But 
for some reason, they decide to rename the company, giving themselves a 
more modern and humanlike name. So, they decide: We want to be named 
"Bread and butter".


Now, after the renaming process has all been completed with all 
authorities and registers, and you pick up your phone and call the 
company, what do you expect them to say when answering? Use their old, 
no longer valid name - thereby kind of being dishonest? - Or, use their 
new and legally registered name? - Would you all have flushed the list 
with messages saying things are nearing their underground, just because 
of the name change and the accordingly answered phone call?


People, stop desparing, start make sense. If you could come back on the 
list and tell us that the phone had been answered by a reliable 
representative, who could confirm that the screen reader no longer is in 
business - well then wake me up. Till then, I would have expected 
nothing else from a company, even view it as clear-cut naturalness, that 
the company presents themselves on the phone, with their legal name. 
That it happened right now, might be because it was right now all 
paper-work has been finished. Or, it might be they just decided it was a 
good and clean time to process the change, at the turn of a new year. I 
do see nothing in this, that indicates anything but the fact, the new 
company name is VFO, and will stay VFO. You don't stop being yourself, 
even if you change your surname when getting married, do you? Or, just 
because you happen to get a new cellphone, with another number. Where is 
the sense-making?



David

On 1/9/2017 9:38 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
> there has been absolutely no official announcement that window-eyes is 
> going away. I'm so glad everyone here has all the answers and that 
> we've all made up our minds despite no official announcement yet.  If 
> we did everything your guys way we'd all be in real trouble.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 3:33 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
> wrote:
>> R I P Window-Eyes!  Even though we are still together, I must begin
>> preparing for the funeral service for real!  No, not trying to scare 
>> you,
>> but the handwriting is definitely on the wall and we can all refuse 
>> to read
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Re: unisntalling window-eyes

[David via Talk]

This will uninstall WinEyes, and its main components. Yet, if the user 
wxplicitly wants ALL traces of the software gone, you might need the 
Emergency Tool Remover software, which is found on the installation CD 
of the screen reader. I am under the impression, that it also would be 
available somewhere on the AISquared website.


If you still want to make totally sure your screen reader has been 
removed, you could use things like NVDA - or a couple of eyes - and run 
a Registry cleaner software, like CCleaner.


Rebooting should always be the natural step to finalize any 
uninstallation. And my advice is a cold start, that is, turn the PC off 
altogether and then back on. Using the restart feature of Windows, seems 
to not always do the full trick.


a

David

On 1/9/2017 7:48 PM, Mike Bernard via Talk wrote:
> Hi Casey,
> It's quite easy actually. All you have to do, is go to your control panel.
> If you have windows 8.1 or similar, you should be able to bring up your
> start menu, type in control panel, or if you have an icon for it on your
> start menu, you can navigate to with the arrow keys. Once in the control
> panel, another search box will come up. In this box, you type the word
> uninstall. Then, arrow down to the uninstall a program option and press
> enter on it. At this point, an alphabetical list of all the programs on your
> computer will come up. Arrow down until you get to window-eyes and press
> enter. You'll be asked if you're sure you want to uninstall Window-Eyes. Tab
> to the yes button and press enter. From there the computer will begin the
> uninstall process. The final step will be for you to reboot your computer,
> when it instructs you to. But be advised, that once you reboot, your login
> screen will come up with no speech. If you're eye sight is good enough to
> see the screen you should be able to log back into windows, other wise
> you'll need sighted assistance to do so. That is, until you install another
> screen reader. Hope this helps.
> Mike
> Rochester, NY.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+mbern6516=aol@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Casey via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:11 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: unisntalling window-eyes
>
> hi at some point to day I am needing to uninstall window-eyes completely
> from my system.
> And have no traces of it left what is the best way to do this?
> I only installed window-eyes with the down loads.
> So that is why I am asking on the best way to do this.
> Thank you and have A nice day.
>
>

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