Re: JAWS and read-all

[John Covici via Talk]

I have been getting good results from Vocalizer Tom under Jaws, the
pauses seem to be in the right place -- although I did set punctuation
to all, but that is just me.  One thing I used to do even with
WindowEyes was to lengthen the pause by using a dictionary to change a
comma to comma followed by a period if I wanted a longer pause.


On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 18:33:37 -0400,
Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
> 
> I don't know whether there is security in numbers, but I too have
> always been frustrated when using Jaws by my inability to
> lengthen pauses between sentences.
> Frankly, at this point, I continue to use Window-eyes for any
> computer task I wish to do. If for some reason, it doesn't work,
> I will then revert to Jaws.
> One Jaws 2021 feature which is great is the ability to read most
> PDFs immediately. Unfortunately, my electric bills are among the
> unreadable PDFs.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Pedersen via Talk"
> 
> To: "Larry Higgins via Talk" 
> Cc: "David Pedersen" 
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all
> 
> 
> > Larry,
> > I know what you are talking, and among other things, it's one
> > of the reasons why I don't use Jaws much. As one of the others
> > pointed out, it might to a certain degree depend on the
> > synthesizer. But like you stated, you have tested several
> > synths, and the many settings. Have to admit, that even under
> > WinEyes I have seen the behavior with certain, less known
> > synths. One of my synths here, has the breaks you would expect
> > to have at the period, ehenever it comes to a comma. And
> > likewise, when it comes to a comma, it will only have the
> > pausing that you normally would have at the end of a
> > phrase. This all causes the narrating to make long pauses in
> > the middle of the phrase, and almost no pausing between the
> > sentences - meaning tthat you many times loose the mainpoint in
> > thhhe text.
> > 
> > Afraid I do not have much other comfort here, but letting you
> > know you are not alone. And it is most likely the result of
> > sluggish handling, in the synth, just as much as in the screen
> > reader. By the way, I do see it even under the TalkBack with
> > Android, combined with some synths.
> > 
> > Agreed, with Jaws it seems to be the case with all
> > synthesizers, leading me to conclude that the screen reader
> > does not communicate well enough with the synths - or, could it
> > be that I just have not tested the right synths. Smiles.
> > 
> > If you want to read books, and you really want to put a bit of
> > resources into the project, I would suggest you check out the
> > shareware named TextAloud, manufactured by Nextup.com. It will
> > leave you numerous ways of tayloring your reading
> > experience. You have many adjustments for speed, and
> > pausing. You can, if you want the extra job, have given parts
> > of a text read out with an alternative voice, like whatever is
> > enclosed in parenthesis, or quotations. All you need is the
> > TextAloud software, and one or more SAPI voices. Nextup sells
> > you what you need, and offers you high-end voices, like the
> > Ivona and Vocalizer ones - all to affordable prices. The
> > software developing team is well aware of screen reader users,
> > hence the software has setups for you and me. Smiles. And, they
> > are quick and friendly in helping you out, should you send them
> > a message. Best of all, you even get the chance of converting
> > your text files into MP3s, that you can actually generate your
> > personalized audiobook of t
> > he the file, and replay it on your portable player wherever you
> > want. Even if you want to split a long text into individual
> > smaller files, like if you want each chapter of your book to be
> > in its own file, it has helpful features to perform such
> > automatically, in a rather short and intuitive manner.
> > 
> > OK, so it does not solve your issue, when browsing the net, or
> > sorting your mailbox. But it would greatly help you out, when
> > you invest a bit of setup, for your next book or long
> > document. Personally I have read several books by the use of
> > it, and got such used to the electronic voice, that I even
> > started to put the human modulation into it, in my mind.
> > 
> > Hope this gave you something, even if it hardly was any real
> > answer to your initial query.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Talk
> > 
> > on behalf of Larry Higgins via Talk
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:17 PM
> > To: WindowEyes List 
> > Cc: Larry Higgins 
> > Subject: JAWS and read-all
> > 
> > To whomever might be left to read this, I hope that you might have some
> > suggestions, or at least observations on what I consider to be almost a
> > deal-breaking issue when it comes to re-upping my annual subscription to
> > JAWS. BTW, I have brought this to the attention to JFW list members, but
> > have received no satisfactory 

Re: JAWS and read-all

[John Covici via Talk]

Well, this may depend a lot on the synthesizer  rather than anything
else-- which synth do you use with WE and which with Jaws?  Also, your
punctuation settings may effect this also.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 06:17:44 -0400,
Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> 
> To whomever might be left to read this, I hope that you might
> have some suggestions, or at least observations on what I
> consider to be almost a deal-breaking issue when it comes to
> re-upping my annual subscription to JAWS. BTW, I have brought
> this to the attention to JFW list members, but have received no
> satisfactory answers. This issue is the way that JAWS and its
> say-all feature paces its reading of any document, no matter what
> synthesizer might be being used. I like to call it "reading
> rhythm."
> 
> 
> When reading, the phrasing is rushed in my opinion, meaning that
> the ends and beginnings of sentences are so close together that
> it is hard for me to process what went before before I've had a
> chance to mentally prepare myself for the next phrase, or
> sentence, whichever might present itself while reading.
> 
> 
> I do not have this issue with WE. WE has a pleasant reading pace-rhythm.
> 
> I have tried all of the settings provided in the say-all
> options,  but none of them restore that kind of rhythm, not to my
> liking.
> 
> 
> On another list, when I occasionally have to make mention of
> Window-Eyes, I get the old song and dance about giving up
> Window-Eyes (an end of life product) in favor of the latest
> screen reading product, and I would do just that if I could find
> a way around this kind of unpleasant style of reading. This
> really does take away from my enjoyment of reading with my PC.
> 
> 
> If anybody who might be left is of the same opinion, or has any
> ideas as to how to get around this rather vexing issue, please
> respond ASAP . Your solidarity, not to mention wisdom will
> be gratefully appreciated.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> PS. I will observe, that NOAA Weather stations do not use the JFW
> style when presenting weather info, so why should I have to put
> up with this as a blind computer user and voracious PC book
> reader?
> 
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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[John Covici via Talk]

Isn't it an app, rather than a set file, if I remember corrrectly.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 16:40:34 -0400,
Comcast via Talk wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
> ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
> but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
> anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Butch,
> > 
> > You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F 
> > to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly 
> > jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the 
> > field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> > CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you 
> > find there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done 
> > for you automatically.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
> >> the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes 
> >> with the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial 
> >> link" and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no 
> >> change.
> >> 73
> >> Butch
> >> WA0VJR
> >> Node 3148
> >> Wallace, ks.
> >> 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[John Covici via Talk]

You definitely can upgrade for free, you just have to download their
media creation tool and if you have a valid Windows 7 license, it will
upgrade without any problems.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 00:08:38 -0500,
Richard Petty via Talk wrote:
> 
> I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
> I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
> do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
> Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
> is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
> software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
> experiences.
> 
> You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
> a price over the phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Brendan 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
> can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
> Take Care
> Brendan
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Richard Petty via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Richard Petty
> Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
> did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
> Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
> they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
> did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
> but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
> I can at least receive that support now.
> 
> By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
> with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
> changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
> Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
> well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
> told, although from a knowledgable source.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
> Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
> send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
> have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
> know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
> works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jane Carona via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Jane Carona
> Subject: New to the list, saying hello
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
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Re: OT about Ipad email list

[John Covici via Talk]

When I get a new iphone, voiceover starts from the beginning, or at
worst click the power button 3 times, if  there is a home button click
that 3 times instead.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:44:43 -0500,
David Hoff Jr via Talk wrote:
> 
> I have not seen a reply to your request yet, So I will try.
> 
> There is a web site call AppleVis.com which list a lot of apps which
> work well with the iPad. I might have spelled the web site wrong, but a
> google search will help you find it.
> 
> You will probably initially need help the first time you turn it on. 
> You have to establish some user information and when I set mine up my
> wife did that for me since voice over wasn't initially available at the
> first startup, which my wife also did for me. But once that is done, you
> can use voice over to do most everything else.
> 
> If you like listening to books, look into the app named 'Voice Dream
> Reader'. It is probably the best one available. Bookshare and Guttenberg
> books and many others are easily accessible through 'Voice Dream Reader'. For
> news and many magazines look into 'NFBNewsLine, registration help is
> easy through the NLS Library if you are a member. Also NLS Library has
> an app to download and listen to books.
> 
> If you are a Bible reader there are many Bible programs which work
> fairly well. Also many music apps for many types of music. as well as
> internet radio stations which are available for free.
> 
> I still prefer my laptop for browsing the internet. Safari, the Apple
> browser, does not work well for me. Word Processing and spreadsheets
> still work better for me on the laptop. The iPad on screen keyboard
> works but is very tedious for low vision users.
> 
> If you have other questions just ask and I will help if possible.
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Re: AW: Lost Browse Mode In Edge

[John Covici via Talk]

Also, shift enter on a link should open in a new window.

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:08:00 -0500,
Luciano Ortelli via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom
> 
> Something has changed in Edge by a big automatic update so functions have
> changed.
> 
> Start Edge
> 
> TAB to Favorits
> 
> Hit Favorit list twice
> 
> Select your Favorit with down/up keys
> 
> Open Context menu
> 
> You stand on Open in tab
> 
> Go to Open in window with down key one time
> 
> Enter
> 
> Your Favorit should open in a window.
> 
> This should work. Good luck!. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Luciano
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Talk  Im
> Auftrag von Tom via Talk
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2020 21:30
> An: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Tom 
> Betreff: Lost Browse Mode In Edge
> 
> I don't know what I did, but I lost all browse functions in Windows Edge.
> Help!
> Windows ten. Window-eyes 9.5.4
> 
> Thank you,
> Tom Dimeo
> 
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Re: problem with outlook html messages

[John Covici via Talk]

I have already done that, and when I use Jaws, it works properly, so I
do not understand what is happening.

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:15:16 -0400,
Rod Hutton wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> This is not A Window-Eyes issue, in my opinion.
> I'm afraid the only solution is to dig into Windows 10 settings and look for 
> the list of file types and their associated programs and change html from 
> Internet Explorer to Edge or Chrome or whatever else you like.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> Sent: May 12, 2020 5:17 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: John Covici 
> Subject: problem with outlook html messages
> 
> Hi.  I had not used WE for a while and I'd thought I'd try it and ran into a 
> strange problem.  I have set my default browser to the new Microsoft Edge 
> development channel, but when I hit enter on a link in an html outlook 
> message, it uses internet explorer!
> 
> Is this somehow hard coded in WE or the app, or how else can I fix?
> 
> Thanks.
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problem with outlook html messages

[John Covici via Talk]

Hi.  I had not used WE for a while and I'd thought I'd try it and ran
into a strange problem.  I have set my default browser to the new
Microsoft Edge development channel, but when I hit enter on a link in
an html outlook message, it uses internet explorer!

Is this somehow hard coded in WE or the app, or how else can I fix?

Thanks.

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Re: OT - Question For Ham Operators

[John Covici via Talk]

Remotehams seems not to be accessible.  there is a groups.io list for
blindhams.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:16:22 -0400,
Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> 
> Any hams using remotehams program?
> 
> Is there an email list for blind hams?
> 
> Since this is not a Window-eyes question, please answer off list to
> r...@ringwald.com
> 
> 
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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[John Covici via Talk]

I found the group, its called jfw on groups.io, so just use
jfw+subscr...@groups.io to subscribe.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:47:59 -0400,
Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> 
> I haven't received anything from this list in a few days either.
> 
> I'd also like to find another Jaws list.
> 
> -Bob Ringwald
> r...@ringwald.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: joan buzza via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:37 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: joan buzza
> Subject: Is there another jaws email list?
> 
> Since the "official" jaws email list is now dead, is there another list?  I
> find these lists extremely informative.
> 
> 
> 
> I mus add that three days ago, I went to this window eyes list and changed
> from digest to individual messages.  I have not received any messages since,
> so I am wondering if I messed up.
> 
> 
> 
> joan
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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[John Covici via Talk]

There is an active Jaws list on groups.io -- do a search and you will
find it, I don't have the link to hand right now.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:47:59 -0400,
Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> 
> I haven't received anything from this list in a few days either.
> 
> I'd also like to find another Jaws list.
> 
> -Bob Ringwald
> r...@ringwald.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: joan buzza via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:37 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: joan buzza
> Subject: Is there another jaws email list?
> 
> Since the "official" jaws email list is now dead, is there another list?  I
> find these lists extremely informative.
> 
> 
> 
> I mus add that three days ago, I went to this window eyes list and changed
> from digest to individual messages.  I have not received any messages since,
> so I am wondering if I messed up.
> 
> 
> 
> joan
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Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

[John Covici via Talk]

I think if you go to file then options you will eventually come to
trust center where you can fix this problem globally.  
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 04:11:59 -0400,
Mike via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to work on my machine.  After
> pressing f6 followed by space f2 I get the same message about
> protected mode.  Many thanks though for taking the time to reply.
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> Mike.
> 
> On 11/08/2019 00:42, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:
> > Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike via Talk  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Everyone
> >> 
> >>   I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to read 
> >> character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so I can't 
> >> use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor across 
> >> names and numbers?
> >> 
> >>   With thanks in advance
> >> 
> >>Mike.
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Re: setting up narrator

[John Covici via Talk]

If you have Windows 10 version 1809 or later, the controls for
Narrator have changed, so those may not work unless you set it back to
legacy controls.

On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 03:49:19 -0400,
Anthony Borg via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi rod 
> Firstly, thanks for the info you have sent me. But I need to reset all the
> settings because none of the commands works unfortunately. 
> Best regards 
> Anthony 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: 04 August 2019 21:54
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: RE: setting up narrator 
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> To increase the voice volume, press Ctrl-CapsLock-Numpad-Plus.
> To decrease the voice volume, press Ctrl-CapsLock-Numpad-Minus To increase
> the voice rate, press CapsLock-equals on the top of the keyboard To decrease
> the voice rate, press CapsLock-hypen on the top of the keyboard
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of Anthony Borg via Talk
> Sent: August 4, 2019 12:48 PM
> To: Anthony Borg 
> Cc: Anthony Borg 
> Subject: setting up narrator 
> 
> Hi list
> Does anyone can explain to me how to set up the windows 10 narrator please? 
> Any help would be appreciated. 
> Thanks in advance
> Anthony 
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Re: Window eyes issue

[John Covici via Talk]

Can't you go into diagnostics and do a repair office license or
whatever the menu choice is?

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:37:11 -0400,
Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.  
> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate 
> has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it 
> has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I 
> did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired 
> but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 
> upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the 
> issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions 
> for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have 
> responded.  Bernie
> 
> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> > Hi Loy and Bernie,
> >
> > Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
> > fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
> > problem, not retail.
> > In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
> > for Office 9.5.4.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > Sent from Outlook for Windows
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk  On 
> > Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
> > Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Loy Green 
> > Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
> >
> > On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
> > a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
> > version.
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Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[John Covici via Talk]

Is not windoweyesforoffice still available?

On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:20:05 -0400,
Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> 
> Sadly that is true. Fortunately there is no chance Vispero can do that with 
> NVDA because NVDA is an open source project so if the developers of that 
> project stop development, folks can pick up where the developers left off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:14 AM
> To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> 
> I agree, Pam. What a waste. But that's how it works in business. Look at 
> the big boys: Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon. They spend hundreds 
> of millions every year just buying anything that may be the faintest 
> competition so they can throw it away, or, on the rare occasion, 
> incorporate it into their lineup.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 6/29/2019 11:17 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> > That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them 
> > all. Pam.
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM
> > To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Cc: Sky Mundell
> > Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> > 
> > Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the 
> > public so
> > others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
> > left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> > Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> > 
> > Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
> > give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to 
> > live.
> > I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
> > threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
> > Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
> > Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
> > enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
> > with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
> > technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
> > why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!
> > 
> > 
> > Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
> > enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this 
> > coming!
> > But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
> > pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
> > deepest sea!
> > 
> > No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
> > divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
> > Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
> > won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.
> > 
> > I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for 
> > me.
> > Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
> > touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty 
> > sure
> > I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
> > 8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
> > intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
> > to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
> > so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.
> > 
> > If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
> > minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
> > Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
> > serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
> > Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
> > impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!
> > 
> > Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Olusegun
> > Denver, Colorado
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Re: 2

[John Covici via Talk]

Its something they never fixed.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 13:49:25 -0400,
Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah, you're right, John. I forgot because I run an
> administrator's account. But shouldn't you get a UAC prompt
> rather than having to go to an admin account or change the file
> properties?
> 
> 
> On 4/3/2019 10:46 AM, John Covici wrote:
> > I think you need to run WE as administrator for this to work.
> > 
> > On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 09:09:47 -0400,
> > Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Bob,
> >> I don't use JAWS. So I can't help you there.
> >> As for loading at startup? Here's the procedure, just to make
> >> sure you're covering all the bases.
> >> Go to General, Startup Options.
> >> Tab once and you should hear Run Window-Eyes at the Login
> >> Screen. Run Window-Eyes after login for all users.
> >> Tab again to the Set Options button and press the space bar.
> >> Shift+Tab up and uncheck both check boxes. Then back to the OK
> >> button and press space bar.
> >> Tab once to the After logging in, run Window-Eyes using the
> >> global startup options radio button and make sure it's
> >> selected. Alternatively you can change it to never run
> >> Window-Eyes. But this is just the after logging in option. You
> >> want to make sure it's not running at the login screen. Changing
> >> both in the global options takes care of this.
> >> Tab to the save button and press it, or press Control+S to save
> >> your settings.
> >> Hth,
> >> Tom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 4/2/2019 7:01 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> >>> 1. What is the best email list for a new Jaws user to join to ask simple 
> >>> questions?
> >>> 
> >>> 2. In Window-Eyes I keep setting the parameter to not come on when 
> >>> computer is booting. Ithen save the setting but it does not save. I have 
> >>> the last version of W E.
> >>> 
> >>> Also using Windows 10.
> >>> 
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Re: 2

[John Covici via Talk]

I think you need to run WE as administrator for this to work.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 09:09:47 -0400,
Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> I don't use JAWS. So I can't help you there.
> As for loading at startup? Here's the procedure, just to make
> sure you're covering all the bases.
> Go to General, Startup Options.
> Tab once and you should hear Run Window-Eyes at the Login
> Screen. Run Window-Eyes after login for all users.
> Tab again to the Set Options button and press the space bar.
> Shift+Tab up and uncheck both check boxes. Then back to the OK
> button and press space bar.
> Tab once to the After logging in, run Window-Eyes using the
> global startup options radio button and make sure it's
> selected. Alternatively you can change it to never run
> Window-Eyes. But this is just the after logging in option. You
> want to make sure it's not running at the login screen. Changing
> both in the global options takes care of this.
> Tab to the save button and press it, or press Control+S to save
> your settings.
> Hth,
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/2/2019 7:01 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> > 1. What is the best email list for a new Jaws user to join to ask simple 
> > questions?
> > 
> > 2. In Window-Eyes I keep setting the parameter to not come on when computer 
> > is booting. Ithen save the setting but it does not save. I have the last 
> > version of W E.
> > 
> > Also using Windows 10.
> > 
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Re: Jaws List?

[John Covici via Talk]

The main group seems to be j...@groups.io, so you would do
jfw+subscr...@groups.io to subscribe.  I don't know about the other
list.

On Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:55:03 -0500,
joseph hudson via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert, here it is copied from the homepage. The directive dress to join 
> the group. And I will also place the link to the homepage in the messages 
> well.
> 
> jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> https://groups.io/g/jaws-users-list
> > On Feb 2, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Lloyd,
> > 
> > I  cannot get subscribed to the jaws list below. Are you sure that it is 
> > correct?
> > 
> > -Bob
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:47 PM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Cc: Loy Green
> > Subject: Re: Jaws List?
> > 
> > I have been a long time user of WE as well and still use it a  lot, but 
> > also am using JAWS. It took me a while to learn. Here is subscription 
> > address for one of the JAWS users groups.
> > jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io
> > - Original Message -  From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
> > To: Talk
> > Cc: Robert Ringwald
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:38 PM
> > Subject: Jaws List?
> > 
> > 
> > I finally succumbed. Since WE is no longer supported, I figured that I had
> > better get Jaws while the gettin' is good.
> > 
> > Since I had the latest version of WE with 2 SMAs, I got Jaws for free.
> > 
> > What is the email list for Jaws?
> > 
> > -Bob Ringwald
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WindowEyesUsers] Jaws and Narrator

[John Covici via Talk]

You have to go into the help menu, go to  license submenu and update
authorization in order to see it.  You have to wait till the invoice
is emailed to you if you purchased online.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 16:34:47 -0500,
Brenda wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> Happy New Year to all.
> 
> A few things...
> 
> I upgraded my SMA with VFO or whatever their new name is BUT they
> didn't update my number of SMAs so it still says I have 0.  Guess
> I'll have to call them this week.
> 
> next, My windows 10 machine has jaws 2018.xy and says there are
> no new updates, but my windows 7 machine has jaws 2019.xyz -- not
> sure what's going on there.
> 
> Finally, has anyone played with Narrator on a windows 10 machine?
> Because of the above I decided to try it with FF and chrome
> because MS Edge is unappealing.  FF and Chrome both work with
> Narrator to the extent that I can figure out narrator and windows
> 10 as I'm clinging  to Windows 7 as long as I can
> 
> I'm finding Narrator on my win10 laptop quite relaxing, I just
> need to learn the commands. I'm wondering of doug Geoffrey is
> somewhere in the halls of Microsoft - maybe he's not working
> directly with the Narrator programmers, but perhaps he's teaching
> them how to make it better. Somehow when I use Narrator I feel
> the simplicity/user-friendliness of the long lost, beloved
> Window-eyes.
> 
> Any thoughts, comments, direction? Any Narrator users among you?
> 
> brenda
> Floating between jaws and Narrator on a win10 machine and jaws on my win7.
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Re: Jaws discussion list?

[John Covici via Talk]

The key is the f3 key, repeat the last search.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 14:00:13 -0400,
Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:
> 
> Yes, JAWS uses ctrl-f which is the Windows Find command.  It can maintain
> past searches which is handy on websites.  I interact with a rather complex
> site for entering Tickets for Service Request Incidents and it is called
> Service Now.  It I have to use the Find command in JAWS often to find
> certain Tabs and so on.  I don't have to always enter the same criteria over
> and over per instances whereby I repeat the same or similar work in this
> site.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Amanda lee
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On Behalf
> Of Evan Reese via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:45 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Evan Reese 
> Subject: Re: Jaws discussion list?
> 
> Hey thanks for this website. I am in exactly the same boat as you. I am a
> reluctant convert, or more precisely a reconvert, since I did use JAWS until
> I got Window Eyes in late 2007. I still use Window Eyes sometimes, but the
> amount of time I have JAWS loaded is gradually increasing. Eventually, I
> know, I will have to use it all the time, but not quite yet.
> Something I would like to know is, does JAWS have a repeat Find key like
> Window Eyes does. You know, when you press insert-f in Window Eyes, it looks
> for the same text as you entered previously so you don't have to keep
> entering it again. I'd like to know if JAWS has the same feature. It comes
> in handy on websites sometimes and in documents and I've gotten to like it.
> Thanks for any help on this.
> Evan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CJ MAY via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:29 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: CJ MAY
> Subject: RE: Jaws discussion list?
> 
> I too moved across from Window-eyes to Jaws this year and am a reluctant
> convert!
> Firstly, when you are told the screen has lost focus, just hold down the alt
> key and tap the tab key which will move you back to the screen.
> I am still working my way through tutorials but have found the following
> website with its podcasts very helpful.
> The podcasts have been written with former Window-eyes users in mind:
> 
> 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
> Sent: 25 October 2018 23:46
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Norene Trappa 
> Subject: Re: Jaws discussion list?
> 
> Hello!
> I have some questions about jaws.  I am just learning to use it.  Is there
> more than one way to read with jaws?  If so, please explain.  Whenever I
> turn on the computer, the speech tells me I have lost focus.  Is there a fix
> for that?  Are there tutorials out there to teach basic commands,
> keystrokes, etc.  This is more difficult than Window-Eyes was.  Any help
> will be gratefully appreciated.  Norene Trappa
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:24 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Dennis Long
> Subject: RE: Jaws discussion list?
> 
> Yes subscribe by sending an email to this address.
> jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:21 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Bob Tinney
> Subject: Jaws discussion list?
> 
> Is there a Jaws discussion list like this list for Window-Eyes?
> 
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
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alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803

[John Covici via Talk]

Hi.  After upgrading to Windows 10 1803, WE is no longer speaking
alt-tab items.  When I do alt-tab and hit tab again I get nothing.

Is anyone else seeing this and any hints as to fixing this problem?

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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[John Covici via Talk]

But a 2-3-4 year old Mac will usually be able to use the latest
operating system, but no hardware support after 2 years with
Applecare.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:24:17 -0400,
net bat via Talk wrote:
> 
> no license. but how much would a new mac cost every 5 years when
> apple stops all support for the operateing system, and security
> upgrades.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Van Lant, Robin
> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
> 
> I think her point is that she won't have to pay to maintain a
> screen reader license once on a Mac platform.  I like Voiceover
> on my phone, but cannot bring myself to invest in a Mac,
> especially while still using Windows at work.  NVDA is certainly
> a nice option to keep the cost out of the Windows picture.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On
> Behalf Of net bat via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:30 PM
> To: via Talk 
> Cc: net bat 
> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
> 
> try the free n v d a. and jaws is a lot easier to upgrade then the i phone.
> you will have the same problem if you are going to use the i phone.
> it has to be updated about twice per year
> you need a i tunes account and computer to upgrade it.
> and half the time i have to restore the phone because the upgrade failed.
> you will have virtually no access to any files saved on the phone like you 
> have
> with windows.
> after about 3 years apple will not give any   more upgrades for the phone.
> the same with a apple mac.
> it gets to the point where you will get a pop up telling you you need to get a
> new computer when you try to upgrade safari. my neace hit this point last year
> on her 5 year old mac.
> etc. etc.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: George Savory via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: George Savory
> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
> 
> Listers,
> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
> VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

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Voiceover on the Mac is not the same as Voiceover on the iphone, they
are similar but not the same, you should fool with the Mac first
before you buy.  There is usually a 14 day period where you can return
it, so take it home and play.

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Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> 
> I think her point is that she won't have to pay to maintain a screen reader 
> license once on a Mac platform.  I like Voiceover on my phone, but cannot 
> bring myself to invest in a Mac, especially while still using Windows at 
> work.  NVDA is certainly a nice option to keep the cost out of the Windows 
> picture. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of net bat via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:30 PM
> To: via Talk 
> Cc: net bat 
> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
> 
> try the free n v d a. and jaws is a lot easier to upgrade then the i phone.
> you will have the same problem if you are going to use the i phone.
> it has to be updated about twice per year
> you need a i tunes account and computer to upgrade it.
> and half the time i have to restore the phone because the upgrade failed.
> you will have virtually no access to any files saved on the phone like you 
> have 
> with windows.
> after about 3 years apple will not give any   more upgrades for the phone.
> the same with a apple mac.
> it gets to the point where you will get a pop up telling you you need to get 
> a 
> new computer when you try to upgrade safari. my neace hit this point last 
> year 
> on her 5 year old mac.
> etc. etc.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: George Savory via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: George Savory
> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
> 
> Listers,
> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
> updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
> VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
> Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
> won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
> upgrade
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Re: A bit of bad news concerning my MS Office app, and a related GMail question

[John Covici via Talk]

Office personal is 6.95/month you should download that and you can
continue to use WE for office.

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 14:50:14 -0400,
Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> 
> Tom, all I wish is that no matter what the respective
> environments might contain ist that some how  by some miracle,
> that she would have a garbage dump of her own, otherwise known as
> an archive, that I could explorer. However, I don't know how easy
> it would be via Web browser to do a real search of all that
> stuff. But it probably doesn't matter all that much at this point
> I guess.
> 
> 
> I knew that my love affair with WE would have to come to an end,
> but guess I wasn't expecting for it to end so abruptly .
> 
> 
> I'll letcha know what happens, and I'm sure I'll have plenty more
> questions relating to NVDA, and Narrator.
> 
> 
> And let me say right off the bat, I hate these Microsoft synth
> voices for a n umber of reasons that I wont go into now. Suffice
> it to say, this is going to be quite an adjustment.
> 
> 
> TTYL,
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> On 6/6/2018 1:03 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> > Larry,
> > 
> > Be it that you have that all folder and your wife isn't using a
> > client I assume your gMail was setup with the now standard iMap
> > protocol rather than the old pop protocol. So your mail should
> > all be on the server. But I haven't used the gMail page in
> > ages. So good luck.
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/6/2018 10:13 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> >> Well my dear listers,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It looks like restoring my license of Office may turn out to
> >> be difficult, if not impossible. The hitch is that my dear
> >> wife, who was an English teacher at a local community college
> >> was eligible to acquire a copy of Office, either free, or at a
> >> considerable discount, I don't rightly remember. We downloaded
> >> and installed the copy in somewhere around the first of April,
> >> or near the end of March of 2015. I don't think either of us
> >> were aware of the possibility that the license might have a
> >> limited duration, but apparently it did.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It was suggested by the kind lady at the accessibility desk
> >> that I might locate the email that we might have received from
> >> the school verifying the license, but I don't think, in fact I
> >> know, that my wife has no recall of such an email containing
> >> the validation key, and I don't recall receiving such an email
> >> either. But here is where the GmMail question comes in.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I've noticed that in Thunderbird under my GMail account, that
> >> there is a box called all mail. In this box is over 5
> >> emails going back to September of 2016. That is a long way
> >> back, but it only goes back as far as the beginning of my
> >> account with them.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Besides wondering where all this mail is being stored, either
> >> on the server, or if it is all still on my system, I'm
> >> wondering if since my wife doesn't use an offline client, if
> >> there might be a chance that she could have access to such a
> >> folder/box on her personal Web GMail page. If we could
> >> excavate as far down as April of 2015, we might actually find
> >> what we are looking for.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> With this, I'd better get ready to restart my computer. So if
> >> anybody could give me any info on this question, it would
> >> certainly be greatly and gratefully appreciated.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Larry
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: May be I should know this, but ...

[John Covici via Talk]

In the WE diagnostics app, there is an office repair item, try that
and see if it fixes your WEfor Office problem.

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 23:56:47 -0400,
Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Larry,
> 
> Sorry, but I've never used WE for Office. So I don't know what to
> do with that problem. I do know that others have had the problem,
> but I can't remember what the solution was.
> 
> As for Narrator? Feel free to ask any questions. Although I
> haven't used it much. I use NVDA once in a while to slowly get
> into the swing of that screen reader. Otherwise, the Caps lock
> key is the main modifier for Narrator, e.g. Caps lock+T for
> window title, Control+Caps lock+O for line, Caps lock+space to
> toggle scan mode on and off.
> Caps lock+F1 opens a searchable list of commands. You can enter
> logical words, like "line" and the read line key commands will
> come up. Or you can just arrow down through the list.
> 
> I hope your wife is fine.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 6/5/2018 7:38 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> > Thanks Tom. As usual, when you give an explanation, it tends to
> > clear things up very well .
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please get ready to kindly give me assistance with another
> > issue some time this evening. Hopefully you can anyway.
> > 
> > I am presently in WE demo mode, because it appears that all of
> > a sudden my Office 13 is no longer valid, making it impossible
> > to run WE for Office as a normal copy of WE.
> > 
> > OK, I said more than I intended in this message. Anyway, this
> > may present me with no other choice but to run narrator, and I
> > do have some questions about that, that is if you are up for
> > that. But I must go fix myself some supper, because my dear
> > wife is, and will be in the hospital for the next three days or
> > so, so I am batching so to speak . my demo session will
> > run out shortly, so will have to reboot after dinner. What a
> > hassle!
> > 
> > Again Tom, thanks for answering my question so well.
> > 
> > Larry
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/5/2018 5:21 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> >> Just to expand a bit on what John said, The Window-Eyes
> >> program is installed in the Program Files (x86) folder, as is
> >> all 32 bit programs on 64 bit Windows. And that is where it is
> >> run from. All the program components and modules are there.
> >> The AppData profile folders are just your personal
> >> configuration folders. For example, let's say you and your
> >> wife both use Window-Eyes. You can each have your own profile
> >> with your own set files, dictionaries, apps, etc.
> >> This is why you can wipe out a profile and Window-Eyes will
> >> just create a new one using the default template, which will
> >> be built from the files in the Program Files (x86) folder.
> >> Regards,
> >> Tom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 6/5/2018 5:47 PM, john schwery via Talk wrote:
> >>> Larry, on my system, I have both 32 and 64 bit programs.  The
> >>> 32 bit programs are installed to the x86 directory.
> >>> 
> >>> At 05:25 PM 6/5/2018, Larry Higgins via Talk, wrote:
>  OK John, I'm sure that's true, but why even put it there
>  when, as it at least appears to me, the program, WE that is,
>  is actually run from the app data folder,  or am I some how
>  mistaken about this. Please straighten me out on this one
>  . On 6/5/2018 11:35 AM, john schwery via Talk wrote:
>  > Larry, that directory is where a 64 bit os puts 32 bit
>  programs. > > At 11:10 AM 6/5/2018, Larry Higgins via Talk,
>  wrote: >> Listers, It has occurred to me to ask this a
>  number of times, but >> just never got around to it. While
>  trying to help a fellow lister  >> yesterday, I found
>  myself looking into the Program Files (X86) >> folder,
>  forgetting that is a folder apparently without purpose. >>
>  However, I'm sure it must serve some purpose or it wouldn't
>  be there. >> I of course know about the appdata subfolder,
>  that being the real >> seat of WE, but why that one. Could
>  it serve as the backup? That's >> it, Larry
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Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

[John Covici via Talk]

I have and use a Mac, but its not the be-all and end-all of
accessibility.  In the Mac world, they have the idea that the app
developer must conform to their standards, if the developer does
conform exactly, then the program is usually accessible, if the
developer does something unusual, then the program is not accessible
at all.  So, certain programs work well, but its a subset of what is
available.

I hope this clarify things a bit.

On Thu, 24 May 2018 16:49:43 -0400,
Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> What kind of a Mac or you thinking about purchasing?
> 
> Paulette
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
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> Subject: Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?
> 
> Hi, My next computer purchase will be a Mac. I stopped using Jaws back in 
> 2003 and used Window eyes till forced to revert to Jaws. I don't like the 
> company assoiated with it.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:33 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Paulette Vickery
> Subject: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know about you, but I am just getting tired of it and want a
> complete change. I am tired of having to change screen readers every so
> often. I am tired of continually having to learn new and so called improved
> Windows programs and Windows updates. I am tired of wondering, worrying and
> waiting for the next change and inevitable scramble to keep up by the blind
> in the computer world.
> 
> 
> 
> So now, I am considering taking a leap of what ever you care to call it and
> try using an Apple laptop, specifically, the Mac Book Air. I know there is a
> steep learning curve, but I must say that there is a lot of support
> available.
> 
> For example, every Apple store is supposed to have on site training on all
> Apple devices for people with disabilities, including blind people. I know
> that the store here in Louisville has such training.
> 
> The Apple Care for people with disabilities is available over the phone 24
> hours a day, 7 days a week. That is more than there regular Apple Care.
> 
> The Apple Mac has a built in screen reader with different voices at no extra
> cost installed on each device they make. There is also a short tutorial for
> how to use Voice Over, the Apple voice and it's software, also at no extra
> cost, included on each device.
> 
> I know that it has nothing to do with how it works, but the outer case of
> the laptop is metal and has an apple, complete with 2 leaves and a bite
> taken from the apple, as the logo which I can touch easily.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone else thought about using, or has used an Apple mac laptop? If so
> what did or do you think about the Mac?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> 
> 
> Paulette
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Re: JAWS question

[John Covici via Talk]

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Yes, that is possible.
> 
> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
> %appdata%
> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
> In this folder you will find settings about jaws. 
> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
> folder to the same location on the other computer.
> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
> jaws will not lock files.
> 
> Regards, Marten
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hi:
> > 
> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
> > Kevin Huber
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Re: Wave file editor

[John Covici via Talk]

Goldwave is very nice and will do what you want, you get a nice free
trial and then its about $50 or so.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 12:45:45 -0400,
Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
> 
> Audacity works great for such simple tasks. DBPoweramp also can
> remove silences in files as a DSP plugin. Of course, there's
> Sound Forge, which is up to version 12.5, but that costs $500
> last time I checked. Ironically, the baby versions of Sound
> Forge, such as Studio, are much more accessible than Sound Forge
> Pro. There are progress bars and the plugin interfaces use
> standard controls. But there's no way to get the audio
> restoration plugins installed with the light versions.
> 
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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[John Covici via Talk]

The thing is there is no one size fits all -- some programs don't work
on MacOS at all such as quickbooks and the audio editing situation is
more difficult.  Web browsing can be very nice or lousy on some sites,
so I think to get your work done you may need both MAC and WINDOWS.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:27:39 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> Your questions are easy to ask but not quite so easy for me to answer. (smile)
> I learned macOS by simply grabbing a list of hot keys, and, with a little 
> knowledge I gained here and there, I learned the underlying philosophy of 
> VoiceOver, and so I just muddled through until, today, I can do anything I 
> need to with the Mac.
> The biggest difference is that VoiceOver tends to act like a big mouse 
> pointer, and, once you decide what you want to interact with, you press a 
> VoiceOver hot key and then interact with the Window or the web page or system 
> dialog or whatever.
> When you want to interact with something else, then you must back out of, or 
> stop interacting with, what had been focused upon, and then start over again.
> We're used to Windows, where focus is always present, and so this is what you 
> must accept is not true of macOS.
> However, because focus is not a necessity, it makes it possible for system 
> dialogs to pop up, and so you tend to not miss important things happening on 
> your system.
> I would say that macOS is perfectly accessible with VoiceOver, and so it is 
> equivalent to Window-Eyes.
> To be honest, I think it is a beautiful experience when you see the thought 
> which has gone into developing the macOS, which, I should add, is very, very 
> similar to how IOS works, which is the OS of the iPod Tuch, the iPad and the 
> iPhone.
> As Dennis has mentioned, there are tutorials which can help you learn macOS.
> 'David Woodbridge, a blind employee of ision Australia, has lots of podcasts 
> on different Apple devices, pretty much all of them, in fact, and so he can 
> take the blame for my buying a Mac.
> His descriptions of Apple devices suck you right in, and they just make you 
> run to the Apple store. (grin)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?
> 
> Rod, how does voice over compare with jaws and window eyes? And are
> there audio books or tutorials available to help learn the mac OS? Thank
> you much.
> 
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Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

[John Covici via Talk]

You may be still able to get a copy of your own, not sure. 
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:16:53 -0500,
Joe Sontag via Talk wrote:
> 
> And I'll be glad to discuss a second WE9.5.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Terry D. Eagle via Talk" 
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> 
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

[John Covici via Talk]

That will not work when voiceover is off, so clicking the home button
3 times should work.

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 09:32:37 -0500,
Moe Adl via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hold down the home botten until you hear a dink , then say "turn on voice
> over"that will turn the voice over on and yu  can set the speaking rate at
> what ever rate you like by going to setting, general, then accessibility,
> select that, then go to speech and set the speaking rate and other item that
> you like.
> I  hope that help you start.
> 
> Moe. then go to   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of michael fridey via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 2:26 AM
> To: net bat via Talk 
> Cc: michael fridey 
> Subject: Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?
> 
> it could be 3 times then i know when i got my i phone 5 c nearly 3 years ago
> i thought i pressed home 5 times but iit might have been 3 times.
> 
> 
> On 5/02/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> > tap the home button 3 times real fast and voice over will turn on. 
> > then you can go through the setup yourself.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 6:35 PM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Cc: Tom Kingston
> > Subject: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?
> >
> > I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out of
> > the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to get
> > it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[John Covici via Talk]

I found an add on for the tripletalk usb, but sadly, it does not do
indexing.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:56:07 -0500,
Rod Hutton wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> The NVDA synthesizer support page does not mention hardware synths:
> 
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 5:40 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: John Covici
> Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites
> 
> Does nvda work with any hardware synths?
> 
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:36:44 -0500,
> brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> > 
> > I migrated to Jaws, paid for 2 upgrades and never use it. NVDA is
> > my choice of screen reader. Basically wasted around 120 dollars.
> > 
> > On 2/2/2018 11:54 AM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > I¢m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the 
> > > latest WE with the Chrome app. I¢ll start reading something, and WE will 
> > > just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does 
> > > anyone out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to 
> > > improve this? perhaps I¢d be better off with another screen reader? I¢d 
> > > really rather not use JAWS as I¢m not doing anything very complicated any 
> > > more and wouldn¢t use most of its features.
> > > 
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[John Covici via Talk]

Does nvda work with any hardware synths?

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:36:44 -0500,
brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> 
> I migrated to Jaws, paid for 2 upgrades and never use it. NVDA is
> my choice of screen reader. Basically wasted around 120 dollars.
> 
> On 2/2/2018 11:54 AM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the 
> > latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will 
> > just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone 
> > out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this? 
> > perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not 
> > use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t 
> > use most of its features.
> > 
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
> > 
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[John Covici via Talk]

WE does not work well with Crome -- if you must use Crome you need
Jaws.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:04:58 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Janet,
> 
> I'm not sure what W10 Chrhome is and by the Chrome app I assume you mean the 
> Chrome browser?
> I do all browsing with Firefox 52.6 ESR and the current Window-Eyes and am 
> having no problems.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 2:54 PM
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> Cc: Janet Brandly
> Subject: Problems navigating websites
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the 
> latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will just 
> stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone out 
> there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this? 
> perhaps I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not 
> use JAWS as I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t use 
> most of its features.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts,
> 
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Re: Apple computer running Windows

[John Covici via Talk]

It works pretty well, you need lots of memory and as fast a CPU as you
can.  Sometimes you have to click in the window to get focus back to
the Windows vm.  You should learn Voiceover on the Mac, before fooling
with vmware fusion.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:54:51 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Ivan,
> 
> Having good experience using VMWare Workstation on Windows 7 and 10, I plan 
> to purchase and install VMWare Fusion on my Macbook Pro down the road.
> However, since I am not going to do this soon, I can't say more than that I 
> have read a bit about it on http://applevis.com, and so I recommend going 
> there for info.
> I also recommend an excellent Apple mailing list at:
> 
> https://groups.io/g/peel-the-apple
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Ivan Cribb via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:04 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Ivan Cribb
> Subject: Apple computer running Windows
> 
> I am contemplating buying a new computer. I am interested in buying an Apple
> but, as to date, I have exclusively used Windows machine and Have a great
> deal of material save under Windows, I would like to  install Windows on it
> using Bootcamp or another similar program.  Isany one using a similar set up
> and how do they find it?
> 
> Thanks Ivan
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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[John Covici via Talk]

Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
again.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
David Crowell via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
> creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
> not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.  
> I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
> download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
> WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
> install.  
> 
> This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
> the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
> at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
> constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
> link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
> get the message about older versions of WE.  
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  
> 
>   
> Dave 
> 
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Re: lost all my w e apps.

[John Covici via Talk]

Get a backujp copy of the wineyes.ini file and you should be good to
go.

On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 00:12:17 -0400,
net bat via Talk wrote:
> 
> hi,
> i lost all my installed apps from the list.
> there was a way to make them show up in the list again by
> changeing or deleteing a w e file without haveing to reinstall
> the apps but i don't remember how to do this.
> is there anyone left on the list that knows how to do this. grin.
> is there a way to batch down load all the apps from the app
> central  store at one time?
> 
> help please.
> 
> 
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Re: An error when trying to use virtual view

[John Covici via Talk]

Does this happen on all windows you try to virtual view, or only a
specific window?

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:30:36 -0400,
Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> 
> Well Rod, I've tried it all, but no go. I've even restarted the
> 'puter, so I dunno. If anything else occurs to you pleas let me
> know.
> 
> 
> On 10/30/2017 5:03 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> > Hi Larry,
> > 
> > This looks to me like an app error similar to errors that I encounter all 
> > the time when an app needs info which isn't ready to be delivered to it.
> > If you know how to open the App Manager, simply reload the app and see if 
> > the app then loads properly.
> > Alternatively, simply shut down WE with Ctrl-Insert-F4 and Enter and then 
> > restart it using Ctrl-Alt-W.
> > 
> > Hth,
> > 
> > Rod
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
> > Sent: October 30, 2017 5:52 PM
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> > Cc: Larry Higgins 
> > Subject: An error when trying to use virtual view
> > 
> > Dear Listers,
> > 
> > 
> > I've never encountered this one before. For some reason I am getting the
> > below error whenever trying to use Virtual View. I have tried
> > reinstalling using Apget, but this seems to do nothing to help. Any
> > ideas please? I just hope this isn't a sign of WE falling apart as I speak.
> > 
> > 
> > I must say that this makes me a little paranoid. I'm thinking that there
> > might be a bit of sabotage goin' on somewhere . But this kind of
> > serious. There are just times when I find this app to be quite useful,
> > as I'm sure all of you do.
> > 
> > 
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated,
> > 
> > 
> > Larry
> > 
> > 
> > "An Error Occurred in Virtual View 5.0.5 (800A01A8)
> > 
> > Description: Object required: 'dlgResult'
> > Line: 903
> > 
> > Path: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\GW
> > Micro\Window-Eyes\users\default\virtualview.vbs.wecrypt.wsf
> > Signed:
> > 
> > Active Window Title: Inbox - larryhiggin...@comcast.net - Mozilla
> > Thunderbird, XUL, MozillaWindowClass
> > Active Window Set File: thunderbird.set
> > Focused Window Module: XUL, MozillaWindowClass
> > Window-Eyes Version: 9.5.4.0
> > Active Synthesizer: Eloquence
> > Active Braille Display: None
> > OS Version: 10.0 (16299) SP: 0.0
> > GW Toolkit: 8.6.8"
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

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He can't do that he is using Windows 10.  Whoever told you not to
install 9.5.4 was incorrect, provided its a full cd not the upgrade
file.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:22:02 -0400,
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> 
> Brice, why not experiment?  Install Window-Eyes 9.0 from your desk and then
> perform the upgrade to 9.5.4.  In the past, to get the 9.0, one needed to
> install the 8xx version.  I'll say give it a try it may jolly well work.
> Anyway, that's what I'll do over here; I have the 9.0 disk and a few of the
> upgrade thingies scattered on various folders here and there.  
> 
> Sincerely,
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

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No, I think you need 9.2 at least for Windows 10 and I would really
get latest version because of the certificate problem.

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> I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I
> have is version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the
> latest version, I think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: how to use any burn

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You will not be able to install it from the cd, if you could  not
install it from your downloads folder.

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> 
> i want to put my copy of the 9.5.4 w/e upgrade on a dvd using
> anyburn what are the steps to do this. the file is in my
> downloads folder, thanks
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downloading updates

[John Covici via Talk]

Hi.  I have updated to the creators update (the one from May of this
year) and in the windows update dialog, there is no longer a download
button.  How do you download updates these days?

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Re: fire fox

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Dave already had it in a previous message, right  in the text which
may have confused some.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 01:58:19 -0400,
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> 
> Has anyone got a copy of that file?  I have not.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> 
> > Hi:
> > 
> > 
> > I would also like a copy of that file, since I find that I am using
> > Chrome more these days and I have noticed that Chrome loads websites
> > faster than even
> > Firefox, and much faster than Explorer.
> > My email is khu...@bell.net.
> > Thank you.
> > Kevin Huber
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/5/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> >> Hi:
> >> 
> >> Anybody having trouble using fire fox
> >> 
> >> It seems as if I can't read the page or even in searching, no links or
> >> headings come up
> >> 
> >> Thanks
> >> 
> >> Don
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[John Covici via Talk]

Notepad does not need a set file.  Notepad++ may need one, try it and
see what it will not do that you want and that will determine whether
you should create a set file or script or something.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:29:16 -0400,
Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
> 
> I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea
> of how to determine whether a set file exists for an  application
> I am running.
> 
> 
> 
> If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set
> file for the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell
> me how to install the set file too.
> 
> 
> 
> I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus
> application.  I use these two applications for different
> purposes, so would like a set file for each. Incidentally, I am
> running W E 9.5.4.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
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Re: PDF question

[John Covici via Talk]

I have read the whole document in, much better.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:01:01 -0400,
Tony C via Talk wrote:
> 
> I've not had too much luck with it either.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Tom via Talk
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Tom
> Subject: Re: PDF question
> 
> I've never been able to get Adobe Reader to work very well.
> They need to take some of their own advice on accessibility.
> 
> Tom
> 
> ** Your Message **
> > Hi Robin, I have always had this issue. fortunately I have
> short documents to deal with. I go to View then go to page
> and put the page number in or use the numpad mouse to find
> the current page, click on it and put the next page I want.
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Re: OT about strange message to upgrade

[John Covici via Talk]

It is from Microsoft and they want to give you the Creators update.

On Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:00:25 -0400,
BK via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello, every time I turn on my windows 10 laptop, a message pops up
> asking me to review my privacy settings, so I can get ready for the next
> update. Then there is a button that says, review settings, that I am
> supposed to click so it can save my privacy settings and the upgrade can
> start. I have no idea who or where this message came from. Does anyone
> know if this is from microsoft? Or, am I being attacked? Any help is
> appreciated.
> 
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Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

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What do you mean by the speak characters setting?  Could tell us what
exactly you did to change that setting?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:29:20 -0400,
Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> 
> Jeff, Sorry about the rather delayed response.
> 
> 
> As for the layout, I am using the default. The only setting I am
> interested in making on a global level is the speak characters
> setting, and this setting will not stick, no matter how I go
> about saving it.
> 
> 
> I know that I succeeded, all be it with a little help back when I
> started using this PC, but after the hard drive crash, it has
> been, so far at least, absolutely impossible to save this
> setting.
> 
> 
> I have saved all three ways, namely, ctrl+s, by tabbing to the
> option in the settings dialog box, and using the save option in
> the file menu, all to no avail.
> 
> 
> Now here goes my paranoia, hopefully there isn't possibly some
> sabotage by the powers that be in order to make the Office
> version just that much tougher to use over time. In other words,
> an attempt at acceleration of the inevitable . OK, I think
> I'm kidding, but anything is possible online these days.
> 
> 
> But anyway, if you or anybody else can help with this little yet
> big annoyance, it would really be very much appreciated.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 6/26/2017 10:58 AM, Jeff Weiss wrote:
> > I may have missed the beginning of this discussion, but I will
> > give you some suggestions for saving settings in Window-eyes:
> > First of all, Make sure that in the keyboard settings that you
> > have selected the layout that you want. I always use the
> > Window-eyes default layout.
> > After selecting this, tab to apply layout and press it, and
> > then tab to save settings and press enter.
> > Second, there appear to be at least three set files which are
> > used when there is not a specific set file for a particular
> > program.
> > They are
> > explorer.set,
> > wineyes.set,
> > and default.set.
> > Now when you are making global settings changes, as long as
> > global is showing in the setting that you are tabbing through,
> > when you tab to save settings and press enter, it should save
> > those settings globally, but sometimes, I have had to make the
> > change again for the other setfiles listed above.
> > 
> > If you have tried all of this, and still need help, give me a
> > specific example of what the problem is?
> > What set file is loaded when saving settings?
> > Is Window-eyes default the layout you have chosen?
> > Which specific settings don't stick?
> > 
> > Jeff Weiss
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:46 AM
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Subject: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all
> > 
> > I sure  hope that someone can refresh my memory on this one.
> > 
> > 
> > Let me just say at the outset that all of the usual suspects for saving
> > settings have been tried, at least to my knowledge. I even tried saving
> > settings to set files as I went along, but to know avail.
> > 
> > 
> > I believe that someone gave me a really great tip for making sure these
> > ssetting stuck once and for all, but it has been so long ago, and any
> > hope I might have for retrieving them from old email vanished with my
> > hard drive crash.
> > 
> > 
> > Needless to say, this is really driving me nuts, just one more headache
> > I don't need while trying to rebuild my computer environment.
> > 
> > 
> > If anybody could please, please help, it would be most gratefully
> > appreciated. Please don't suggest switching to JAWS, that ain't
> > happening any time too soon I'm afraid. A bit of a financial setback due
> > to my recent experience.
> > 
> > 
> > I will close for now before I become grumpy  > is desperately needed.
> > 
> > 
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Re: error beep when w/e starts

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I used to get that a lot, restarting WE fixed it, but I have never
gotten it since I got an ssd as my main drive.  So it seems to be a
timing issue as Doug says.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:23:50 -0400,
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> 
> That happens to me if I unload window eyes and load Jaws or
> NVDA. But it don't happen all the time.
> 
> On 6/23/2017 2:28 AM, mcleod stinnett via Talk wrote:
> > this has never happened before. when I boot up the computer I get the
> > two short beeps just before w/e goes to the desktop. this usually
> > means an error. using win 7 64 bit pro with eloquence synthesizer.
> > once the desktop opens w/e does fine, may need to re-install? using
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Re: all my installed w e apps are gone

[John Covici via Talk]

Sometimes wineyes.ini gets corrupted, if you have a backup of that
file from an earlier time you may get your apps back.

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> hello,
> today i just tried to use the voice rotor to change voices and
> found out that all of my installed apps are gone. the status is
> on but there is nothing in the list for running apps.
> i didn't do anything to cause this. i hope i can reinstall the 11
> apps i had before.
> so i would advise everyone to download all the apps now for later
> installation before the app central is gone.
> 
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Re: drop down menus

[John Covici via Talk]

Also, sometimes if you route the mouse to the link, if its a link, and
hit tab the menus will be heard -- this very much depends on how they
wrote the (probably) javascript.

On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:06:02 -0400,
Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> 
> Just a guess on my part, try turning browse mode off (control-shift-a).
> 
> On 6/2/2017 11:58 AM, David Crowell via Talk wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > Still using WE 9.5.4 and have a question.
> > 
> > My bank, which is US Bank has been doing updates to their website and it is
> > causing me problems.
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > At the beginning there are items like customer service, products and
> > services and items like that.
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > According to my sighted husband he tells me when I am on one of these items
> > a menu drops down showing the options for what I am on.
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me how to read this drop down menu?
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > I know there is a way but to be perfectly honest I am not a continuous user
> > of the computer like most people so I do not have any idea even how to go
> > about getting these drop down menus to read.
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,  Dave
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Re: training with daisy book

[John Covici via Talk]

And some of the fsreader hotkeys are global, so they work in other
apps you are using, so you can do the exercise and listen to the
audio.

On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 07:41:31 -0400,
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> 
> Well, you go to the jaws screen and hit alt-h.  A menu will pop up and the
> first thing will be training.  If you choose that it will open the fs reader
> which is the jaws daisy reader.  It will give you a list of daisy books you
> can read.  If you hit one of the links of the books you want it will
> automatically download and install.  You can read the text with your cursor
> keys or numpad or hit ctrl-p and listen to the audio.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+timfgrady758=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
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> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: training with daisy book
> 
> How do you go about listening to a daisy book as you follow along. From what
> I read, you can listen and follow along in an exercise at the same time. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

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Is there a way to click on the objects you find?  Can you navigate by
text on the screen somehow?

On Wed, 24 May 2017 04:41:46 -0400,
Martin Brown via Talk wrote:
> 
> I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its usability.
> Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
> JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
> now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
> available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
> curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
> move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
> keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
> touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
> Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
> Martin 
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Re: Window Eyes question

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I think he just doesn't want to hear the word name.

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:25:31 -0400,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> You don't want to hear the name of the currently focused item as you arrow 
> through a list view?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jim Williamson via Talk
> Sent: May 22, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Window Eyes question
> 
> How do I remove the "Name" announcement from folder and files?
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
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Re: Systray Keystrokes

[John Covici via Talk]

I am seeing all items with the Jaws keystroke except the date/time I
see with WE.

On Mon, 22 May 2017 09:14:26 -0400,
Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> 
> Then tell me wy in window eyes I can see 11 items and jaws only 1
> item in the system tray?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Systray Keystrokes
> 
> It may be if your not seeing everything it is how your notifications are set
> in control panel.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:45 AM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: Systray Keystrokes
> 
> Yes, you are right you can use windows+b to access the system tray.  But you
> don't have the option of tabbing to the mouse click options?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:04 AM
> To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Systray Keystrokes
> 
> You don't even need baked in screen reader keystrokes to access the Systray!
> Use Windows-Key-B; it gets you there in a pinch!!
> 
> Sincerely,
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Re: Jaws and reading next line of text

[John Covici via Talk]

I remember reading in the tutorials something about that Jaws uses a
line length of 25 instead of 3 or something like WE does.  I can't
remember how to change this.

On Sun, 21 May 2017 10:30:51 -0400,
Tony C via Talk wrote:
> 
> Ok, I know the key to hear the next line of non-link text is N. However when 
> I use this command Jaws skips a lot of those lines. For example, On my bank 
> website. to move down to my current balance in window eyes I could hit X for 
> next line of text, and after sever X’s I would hear the word “deposits”, then 
> I could arrown down twice and her my balance. If I hit N in Jaws after about 
> 3 times I’m at the bottom of the page. I’ve noticed this behavior on several 
> other pages also. What is the reason for this?
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Re: JAWS and the web

[John Covici via Talk]

Jaws tech support said you could not turn forms mode on andoff
manually, escape will go back to virtual pc.  However insert-z turns
off virtual-pc, does not turn on forms mode, but it sort of works in
those cases where you have to do this.

On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:39:21 -0400,
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> I've seen several questions regarding how you use JAWS on the web.  I just 
> want to remind people of the Window-Eyes to JAWS tutorials that Raul 
> developed.  There are 8 of them and they can be found on the Migrate page at:
> 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/
> 
> The last one is specifically on web browsing.  Also, you may want to spend 
> some time on the Surf's Up.  If you practice here, you'll go a long way to 
> understanding and learning the various options on the web.  On the JAWS 
> Headquarters, this page is found at:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/_Surfs_Up_Start_Here.htm
> 
> Someone asked specifically how you manually turn on and off forms mode in 
> Jaws.  That is answered her but specifically that can be found at:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/Forms.htm
> 
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Re: Problem Migrating

[John Covici via Talk]

Your serial number should be in Braille on your cd, or in the
help,about box in the software.

On Thu, 18 May 2017 03:30:54 -0400,
Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, I am having a problem with the migration process.
> I sent in my serial number, and got sent an email with a link to
> search for my serial number, but it sent me to a website asking
> for my user name and password.  I don't remember having to use a
> user name and password for Window-Eyes, so what could this be,
> and where could I find the credentials?
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Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[John Covici via Talk]

That webpage does not have any links like that.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 14:58:20 -0400,
Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> 
> Brenda,
> 
> Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
> people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
> listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are 
> designed for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for 
> the tutorials from the following web page:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws
> 
> Hello List and maybe Doug,
> 
> 
> In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
> Jaws?
> 
> 
> Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
> Window-eyes using Jaws?
> 
> 
> I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
> figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
> the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
> around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
> mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
> don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
> read more.
> 
> 
> I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
> understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> brenda
> 
> 
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[John Covici via Talk]

I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
Loy via Talk wrote:
> 
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> 
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and
> Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of
> Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users
> outside of the United States and Canada should contact their
> local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers
> and will honor existing product purchases and software
> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical
> support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support
> package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating
> system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not
> function adequately for your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed
> to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing
> Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements
> (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the
> free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please
> contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
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> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete
> a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who
> will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or
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Re: youtube question

[John Covici via Talk]

I have Google set to html5 and the Google keystrokes work for me.

On Sun, 14 May 2017 02:51:52 -0400,
net bat wrote:
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> this does not work with the html5 flash player.
> 
> 
> -Original Message----- From: John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 9:53 PM
> To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: youtube question
> 
> Browse mode off and then you can type j to rewind k to pause and l for
> forward.  There are other keystrokes, but I don't have then to hand
> right now.
> 
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 00:15:43 -0400,
> Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
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> > Dear List:
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> > When I am listening to an album on youtube, is there a screen reader
> > accessible way to pause and resume playing the album?  Someone told me that
> > there is a pause button, but I have not been able to
> > find it.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
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Re: youtube question

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I find that this does not always work, but the Google keystrokes do.

On Sun, 14 May 2017 02:10:21 -0400,
Nick Sarames wrote:
> 
> If you turn browse mode off, and tab down, you'll find a series of 
> buttons -seek slider, pause, next (etc.) When you are on any of those 
> buttons, you can left arrow or right arrow to go backward or forward. 
> Up and down arrow will increase and decrease the volume.
> 
> On 5/14/2017 12:53 AM, John Covici via Talk wrote:
> > Browse mode off and then you can type j to rewind k to pause and l for
> > forward.  There are other keystrokes, but I don't have then to hand
> > right now.
> > 
> > On Sun, 14 May 2017 00:15:43 -0400,
> > Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear List:
> >>
> >> When I am listening to an album on youtube, is there a screen reader
> >> accessible way to pause and resume playing the album?  Someone told me that
> >> there is a pause button, but I have not been able 
> >> to
> >> find it.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
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Re: youtube question

[John Covici via Talk]

Browse mode off and then you can type j to rewind k to pause and l for
forward.  There are other keystrokes, but I don't have then to hand
right now.

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> 
> Dear List:
> 
> When I am listening to an album on youtube, is there a screen reader
> accessible way to pause and resume playing the album?  Someone told me that
> there is a pause button, but I have not been able to
> find it.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
> 
>  
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Re: braille displays

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Is this the same as the bristol braille which only has40 x 9 lines?  I
can't imagine using a tablet like that, a Braille display, maybe, but
not a tablet.

On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 19:53:25 -0400,
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> are you gunna get the blitab 25 line full page braille display
> when it is out for $500?
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/8/2017 5:22 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> > Because it is much better to have a full 40 cell line than a
> > short little 20 cell line.  That would be my guess, anyway.  I
> > don't like that my braille sense u2 only has 32 cells. Pam.
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
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> > Subject: braille displays
> > 
> > regarding the new 40 cell display? whatever it may be? Why would you buy
> > a 40 cell display for thousands of dollars with old outdated
> > piezoelectric crystal braille cell technology, when both the orbit
> > reader20 is coming out real soon? And if you want more than 20 cells?
> > Why not wait for the blitab braille tablet? The blitab will have a full
> > page 25 lines of braille and I'm guessing 32 or 40 cells across. just
> > look at the www.blitab.com website. or go to youtube and watch videos on
> > the blitab braille tablet. I also know that the blitab with its full
> > page of braille will sell for around or below $500. I can't wait to get
> > a full page 25 line braille tablet for near $500! and if you go to the
> > website you can sign up and pre-order the blitab full page
> > braille tablet.
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Re: makeing the switch

[John Covici via Talk]

You are comparing windows screen readers with the ios platform, very
different fish.  I would try the Mac before you buy, there is a 14 day
return period.  VO on the Mac is not the same as VO on an iphone, it
may or may not work depending on the website.

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> 
> Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for several 
> years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent demise of Window 
> Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be making the switch. 
> I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems that it’s time to teach an 
> old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone or my I pad mini and have no 
> problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, and other websites using Voice 
> Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t because the sites aren’t accessible. I 
> think I’ll keep one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it just so I can look back 
> and think of all the money I spent just to be left with my thumb up my nose. 
> When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a screen reader, and now the 
> built in screen reader with the IOS works great with all those websites that 
> were called by tech support for Jaws and window eyes “inaccessible

Re: WE and mouse hover

[John Covici via Talk]

Just use the route mouse to focus hotkey -- this will only work in
internet explorer.  Then, you should be able to press either tab or
down arrow depending on the design of the web page.

On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:49:54 -0400,
Bill Holton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Can someone tell me how I can activate a mouse over? Particularly on the site
> Downpour.com
> Where I am trying to get the mouse to hover over the browse link, which then 
> should display the choices, fiction/nonfiction. Thanks
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Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[John Covici via Talk]

The thing with vo is that apple wants the developers to follow their
standards, if they do then vo works, if they don't you are out of
luck, no way to make it work at all.

On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:12:50 -0400,
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are having a laugh.  Just load a Word file with a complex table into
> Word for Mac and watch VO die.  VO is about Narrator's level I'd say.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and
> more
> 
> VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make
> the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in
> voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen
> readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that
> I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on
> Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI
> people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to
> denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
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> Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also
> notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
> Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
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Re: WE Startup

[John Covici via Talk]

You need to run Window-Eyes as administrator to get this change to
work.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:36:29 -0400,
Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> 
> After setting the parameter, are you saving the setting?
> 
> -Bob Ringwald
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:21 PM
> To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: WE Startup
> 
> I recently installed WE on a new PC and WE starts automatically when the
> computer starts. I do not want this and have tried to disabled this in the
> startup submenu under General. Could someone share the steps with me to make
> sure I am doing what I am supposed to do?
> 
> Andy
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Re: PDFs and F8 copy function and table navigation

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No, I don't think the f8 works in pdfs.  You have to go into table
mode by doing shift-+, if memory serves.  This is still using the old
browse mode.

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> 
> In a PDF document where I can toggle browse mode on and off, should I be able 
> to use the F8 copy method to grab text?  Also, should I be able to use the 
> table navigation of caps lock and arrows to move around?  I was just trying 
> both on a pdf file I'm helping another lister look at and neither are working.
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Re: Window-Eyes and Webroot Security

[John Covici via Talk]

>From what I have heard on this list, WE is not compatible with webroot
security at all.  Someone correct me if I am in error.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:17:58 -0500,
Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am having a problem with Window-Eyes at my volunteering
> placement.  Window-Eyes will not let me use brows mode hotkeys
> for navigation in either Google Chrome or Internet Explorer.
> Since my role involves pretty much continuous use of the
> internet, it is absolutely essential that I can get it to work
> properly.  The organisation recently changed to the Webroot
> security suite, and from a previous email I got about a similar
> problem, it seems that Window-Eyes is being seen as a key logger.
> What is the exact file name/process that has to be let through?
> If this is not the reason for Window-Eyes not working on the
> internet, what might the other reasons be?
> 
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Re: this is weird

[John Covici via Talk]

If you have a backup of your wineyes.ini from a recent time before
this started, replace it while not running WE and your problem should
be solved.

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:27:25 -0500,
Veronica Smith via Talk wrote:
> 
> This happens to me every time I upgrade my WE.  Bugs, doesn't it. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Rogers via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 6:00 AM
> To: Window Eyes List
> Subject: this is weird
> 
> Just went into control panel and found that all my aps, except 6 of them,
> are gone.  I didn't delete them and haven't been in the apps section for
> weeks.  How can I restore them, without having to go and re-install them.
> n't know which ones even came as default aps.
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
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Re: can some kind soul please confirm

[John Covici via Talk]

I thought I saw where it only effected 9.5.1, 9.5.2 and 9.5.3.  This
is what I remember, so take it for what its worth.  But you should be
able to upgrade to 9.5.4 without problems, but of course you have a
backup.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:01:23 -0500,
Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> could someone please let me know iif, as a we 9.4 user with win
> 7, I need to do anything about the certificate problem. As it is
> the 26th tomorrow and I have no sighted assistance in the house
> should I lose my we due to nnot having installed something I
> should.
> Or is it just affecting 9.5 releases onwards.
> Please can someone let me know thanks so much.
> Lee, Emily my guiding furry snowflake and Chester and Simba the feline 
> fellas.
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Re: certificate revoked message from Ai Squared

[John Covici via Talk]

Yes, this is correct.  I have it directly from Aisquared.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:01:39 -0500,
Neville via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> A link for the following was obtained from another list.
> https://www.aisquared.com/certificatefix/
> 
> Does anyone know anything about it.
> 
> It appears a new version of WE is to be released shortly, along
> with other Ai Squared products, to fix the problem.
> 
> Neville.
> 
> CertificateFix
> January 16, 2017: Urgent Notification
> Forthcoming Startup Failures in ZoomText 10.1 and other Ai
> Squared Software Products
> Problem
> 
> The digital certificate used to certify newer ZoomText and
> Window-Eyes software products has been compromised. As a result,
> our certificate will be revoked on or around January 26th, which
> will result in startup failures for the following Ai Squared
> products.
> Affected Ai Squared Software Products
> 
> When attempting to start the following Ai Squared software
> products, the product will fail to launch and display a Windows
> error message: “A referral was returned from the server”
> ZoomText Magnifier – Build numbers 10.10.8 through 10.11.6
> ZoomText Magnifier/Reader v10.1 – Build numbers 10.10.8 through 10.11.6
> ZoomText Fusion v10.1 – Build numbers 10.11.1 through 10.11.5
> ZoomText Keyboard v4 – Build numbers 4.0.0 and 4.1.0
> Window-Eyes v9.5 – Build numbers 9.5.1 and 9.5.3
> When attempting to start the following Ai Squared software
> products, the product may launch even though the certificate has
> been revoked. Anti-virus utilities may detect the invalid
> certificate and block the software from running.
> ZoomText ImageReader v1.2 – Build numbers 1.2.16106
> ZoomText Voices (language packs) v1.0 – Build numbers 1.0.1.4693
> Vocalizer Expressive v1.3 (for Windows-Eyes) – Build numbers 1.3.0.13329
> Note: Inspection of the certificate will show that the
> certificate is invalid. Inspection and validation of certificates
> is a process performed by some organizations.
> Solution (software updates)
> 
> For each of the affected products, software updates incorporating
> a new digital signature will be released and available for
> download prior to January 26th:
> Single-User Product
> Update Version
> Download
> ZT Magnifier v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Download
> ZT Magnifier v10.1 USB
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Magnifier/Reader v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Download
> ZT Magnifier/Reader v10.1 USB
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Fusion v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Fusion v10.1 USB
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Keyboard v4.1
> 4.1.1
> Coming Soon
> Window-Eyes v9.5
> 9.5.4
> Coming Soon
> ZT ImageReader v1.2
> 1.2a
> Coming Soon
> ZT Voices v1.0
> 1.0.2
> Coming Soon
> Vocalizer Expressive v1.3
> 
> (for Window-Eyes)
> 1.3
> Coming Soon
> 
> 
> Updating Your ZoomText 10.1 USB Drive
> 
> Use the following procedure to update your ZoomText 10.1 USB
> drive with the ZoomText 10.11.7 update:
> 
> 1. Download the ZoomText USB update (from the table above).
> 
> 2. Plug in your ZoomText USB thumb drive.
> 
> 3. Double-click on the downloaded file to launch the update utility.
> 
> 4. Follow the instructions to complete the update.
> Multi-User Product
> Update Version
> Download
> ZT Magnifier v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Magnifier/Reader v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> ZT Fusion v10.1
> 10.11.7
> Coming Soon
> Window-Eyes v9.5
> 9.5.4
> Coming Soon
> 
> Warning When Disabling Security Options
> 
> Various websites provide steps for disabling Windows security
> options with the expectation that unsigned software executables
> will start and run. Disabling these security options will not fix
> these problems for the ZoomText and Windows-Eyes products and may
> compromise security and protection from malware. Ai Squared
> strongly recommends against disabling these security options.
> Conclusion
> 
> We apologize for the inconvenience this issue has caused you, but
> assure you we are doing everything possible to rectify this
> matter as soon as possible. To minimize downtime, we encourage
> you to update your software as soon as possible.
> If you have questions or require assistance resolving this
> problem, contact the Ai Squared support team at (727) 803-8600
> option 2 or
> supp...@aisquared.com
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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[John Covici via Talk]

OK, to fix, do altp-space in the command window, go to properties anc
check use legacy console or some such.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:30:47 -0500,
Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.
> 
> Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.
> 
> However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
> whenever I need the command window.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:41 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: windows 10 cmd command
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
> command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
> happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: window eyes.

[John Covici via Talk]

If your apps are not there you can reinstall them and they will be
there.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:20:26 -0500,
Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
> 
> apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free
> window eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped
> sellingwindow eyes all together. has anyone had problems with
> their apps not being installed or not showing up after countless
> of restarts and shut downs i can not get any of my apps to show
> up i have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to work
> either.
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> > Where do you turn it off?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
> > To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
> > 
> > Pam,
> > Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
> > default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
> > others are around. But you can turn it off.
> > 
> > Hth,
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> >> I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
> >> passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
> >> spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
> >> saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
> >> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
> >> 
> >> Brice,
> >> 
> >> I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes I'd
> >> put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
> >> logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Tom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> >>> Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any feedback
> >>> when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: this is weird

[John Covici via Talk]

If you have a recent backup of your WE default folder,  then restore
the wineyes.ini from that folder, that should fix up your apps.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2017 08:00:25 -0500,
Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:
> 
> Just went into control panel and found that all my aps, except 6 of them, are 
> gone.  I didn't delete them and haven't been in the apps section for weeks.  
> How can I restore them, without having to go and re-install them.  n't know 
> which ones even came as default aps.
> 
> 
> 
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> www.woodeneyemusic.com
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Re: sendspace and firefox

[John Covici via Talk]

You might make an exception when the page comes up that asks you about
the certificate.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2017 06:18:02 -0500,
bj colt via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I have a problem with firefox and Internet explorer. both latest builds. If I 
> press enter on a link in an email to sendspace to download a file. It works 
> fine. In other emails when I press enter on the similar link firefox rejects 
> the connection. It seems to be because of some kind of invalid certificate 
> that sendspace has. Because of this the sendspace page won’t load.
> 
> I reset firefox to default settings but no difference.
> 
> Anyone have any idea?
> 
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Re: Need Help getting Speech back part 2

[John Covici via Talk]

I think narrator under windows 7 is windows-u not enter.  Also, if you
can get to the volume mixer, usually there are separate controls and
mutes for every application (or is this a windows 10 feature)?

On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 23:09:31 -0500,
Dave via Talk wrote:
> 
> When I turn on the Win 7 system, it goes through its usual start up
> process, including playing the Windows chime at the start of Windows.  
> --  I even hear the Window Eyes Piano Sound as Win Eyes is to be
> Starting.  
> 
> But after this, there is absolutely no speech.  
> 
> Attempted to start up Narrator by pressing the Windows Key and the Enter
> key together.  No Speech.  
> 
> Was Narrator part of Win 7?Sorry, can't remember.  
> 
> Even attempted to install NVDA from a Flash drive, and again I received
> the NVDA Chime, but no Speech.  
> 
> The Sound card is playing sounds, but is not talking.  
> 
> One of you mentioned a Mute feature.  Where is this?Is this in the
> Control Panel of Windows and then under Sound?  Or is it part of Window
> Eyes and is under Screen and Voice etc.  
> 
> I did not see a Mute feature when in the Win Eyes 9.5 Control Panel and
> then under Devices, and Synthesizers.  
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave 
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Re: Need Help getting Speech back

[John Covici via Talk]

I would check a couple of things -- do you get anny sound out of
Narrator?  Either run narrator  from the windows-r dialog or I think
windows-u will run it.  If you get that going, check your WE voice
parameters.  If not, you do have sound card problems.  Also, in the
volume mixer make sure the parameters for WE are not muted.

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently purchased a new Used system, that has Win 7 Pro on it.  
> 
> At the Shop, I asked them to install a Sound Card, because I like a
> higher quality sound that what comes from the On Board Sound  Chips.  
> 
> They said no problem.
> 
> I picked up the system a few days ago, and boufht it home.  turned it On
> and let it Boot up.  
> 
> Installed Window Eyes with no problem.  Had the system talking fine.  
> 
> But the sound was fussy.  Almost as if it was Too Loud and was Over
> Driving the Speakers, and yet the volume was low.  Started to
> investigate and saw that the Create Sound card had been installed, as I
> had asked, but there were no Creative Sound Blaster Drivers installed. 
> Looks like they installed the Creative Sound Blaster Card before they
> installed Win 7, and let Win 7 use a Generic driver for the card.  
> 
> Mr. Smart Guy me thinks I need to install the Real Deal Sound Blaster
> Drivers, and just maybe this would give me the Clear Sound I am wanting.  
> So I go ahead and used the Driver disc that came with the Sound Blaster
> card and install the Drivers.  
> 
> The I re-boot the system and when it restarts, the Winodws tune plays,
> and even the little  start up notes of Window Eyes plays, but  there is
> no Speech.  
> 
> Great, now I am stuck.No Speech, but Windows it playing all the
> Bells and start up noises and Bonks that Windows normally plays.  But,
> no Speech.
> 
> And the sound is getting played through the Sound card.  
> 
> So I drag my poor wife in, who knows nothing about computers, and I walk
> her thrugh checking Windows settings.  Windows is reconizing the Sound
> Blaster card, the Volume is up high enough to be heard.  I then check
> the Devices in the Win Eyes Control Panel, and this is still set of
> Default Card.  
> 
> The Sound Blaster is listed here, so I change the setting to Sound
> Blaster, Apply it and there is no speech.  I have my wife click the OK
> since I do want Window Eyes to be using the Sound Blaster card as the
> Out Put Device.  
> 
> But, I still have no speech.  
> 
> I am using the Higher Quality voices such as Tom and Samantha, if this
> makes any differences.  
> 
> As far as I can tell, my settings are right, but, still have no speech.  
> 
> Can anyone see something I have missed?  Is there another setting I need
> to Check, or Uncheck?  
> 
> Do I need to uninstall Window Eyes and Reinstall it?  
> 
> If anyone has something to try, would you share your thoughts?I am
> out of ideas to try.
> 
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: how to get desktop shortcuts in single column

[John Covici via Talk]

Thanks so much, I had forgotten.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:11:49 -0500,
Rebecca Lineberger wrote:
> 
> Control-shift 5 will give you a list view, all in one column.  Control-shift
> 6 will give you a column list you can arrow down through with details of
> size and date.  If you want the original icon viewback, press control 3 for
> medium icons.
> This view may be necessary when you want to rename a shortcut, for example.
> HTH.
> Rebecca
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:32 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: how to get desktop shortcuts in single column
> 
> Hi.  I am sorry, but I forgot the steps to get all the desktop
> shortcuts into a single column so I could just useup and down arrows.
> I have it working on one computer, but not another one.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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how to get desktop shortcuts in single column

[John Covici via Talk]

Hi.  I am sorry, but I forgot the steps to get all the desktop
shortcuts into a single column so I could just useup and down arrows.
I have it working on one computer, but not another one.

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Re: WE hot key

[John Covici via Talk]

No, after control-\ just hit alt--f4 to shut down WE.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:50:48 -0500,
Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps I should know this, but I don't. Is there a hot key to
> toggle Window-Eyes on and off, on the order of the browse on/off
> keys? I know, of course, about Control Backslash, but after
> pressing those keys, you have to find the Exit command. So is
> there such a thing as an on/off toggle?
> Thank you.
> 
> Peace.
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Re: Outlook 2016

[John Covici via Talk]

Set files are not found in app central.  In the file menu go to
factory set files and install from there.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 06:04:32 -0500,
Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> 
> I also have this issue, I just had a quick at app central and did not find
> any set files for outlook 2016.
> Cheers
> IC
> 
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> On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:54 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: Outlook 2016
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> 
>  
> 
> I am hoping someone on the list can help me because the window eyes support
> team is not being much help.  
> 
> I used office 2007 since it first came out and just recently updated to
> Office 365 which is now using Office 2016.  
> 
> My problem is with my emails.  When I check my email and arrow through the
> list of new messages or messages I have saved in folders the emails are
> supposed to say if they are read, unread, forwarded or whatever has been
> done plus the sender name, subject, date, and time. with the message. 
> 
> But instead my list of messages says: 
> 
> No associated drafts, attachments, No attachments or with attachments, then
> sendername, subject, date and time. 
> 
>  
> 
> I was told before I downloaded office 365 and would be using office 2016 the
> messages would automatically say if they are read, unread and so forth along
> with the sender name, subject and date and time.  That is all I want things
> to say before I open a message and no matter what Chris at the support team
> has asked me to do it is not happening.  I made sure office 2007 was
> completely uninstalled and ran both the links for office enhance and outlook
> enhance that Chris sent to me but still the same thing is said and I do not
> know if the message is read, unread, forwarded, ETC.  
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone help me out before I get totally desperate and delete Office 2016
> and go back to 2007?  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.  Dave 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Outlook 2016

[John Covici via Talk]

Have you installed the set files for office 2016?  I am not seeing
this problem here, so its probably something in your environment.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 23:54:26 -0500,
David Crowell via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> 
>  
> 
> I am hoping someone on the list can help me because the window eyes support
> team is not being much help.  
> 
> I used office 2007 since it first came out and just recently updated to
> Office 365 which is now using Office 2016.  
> 
> My problem is with my emails.  When I check my email and arrow through the
> list of new messages or messages I have saved in folders the emails are
> supposed to say if they are read, unread, forwarded or whatever has been
> done plus the sender name, subject, date, and time. with the message. 
> 
> But instead my list of messages says: 
> 
> No associated drafts, attachments, No attachments or with attachments, then
> sendername, subject, date and time. 
> 
>  
> 
> I was told before I downloaded office 365 and would be using office 2016 the
> messages would automatically say if they are read, unread and so forth along
> with the sender name, subject and date and time.  That is all I want things
> to say before I open a message and no matter what Chris at the support team
> has asked me to do it is not happening.  I made sure office 2007 was
> completely uninstalled and ran both the links for office enhance and outlook
> enhance that Chris sent to me but still the same thing is said and I do not
> know if the message is read, unread, forwarded, ETC.  
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone help me out before I get totally desperate and delete Office 2016
> and go back to 2007?  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.  Dave 
> 
>  
> 
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> love truly and forgive quickly." 
> 
>  
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Re: Cannot Read Document With An HTM Extension

[John Covici via Talk]

Why are you trying to read this in word?

On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:16:13 -0500,
Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have the latest window-eyes with windows ten and using internet explorer.
> 
> I realize that PDF documents can be in an image format.  Can this also be
> true for documents with an extension of HTM?  I was sent some HTM documents
> and tried to read them using office 2007.  When I hit enter on a document,
> nothing happens.  I can then tab to where it says Open and enter again.  I
> get a document that I can move in with browse mode, but, nothing is in
> there.  Could this be an image document that I could read with Kurzweil or
> Openbook, similar to an image PDF document?  Thanks for any ideas.  Regards:
> Ted Larson
> 
> ? 
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Re: Finding all Duplicates II

[John Covici via Talk]

At least on Linux, there is a program called uniq where you feed in a
sorted list and you get only one  of the numbers out.  So, if you pipe
sort into uniq, that should work for you.  I don't know if DOS has any
such command.


On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 10:28:35 -0500,
Dave via Talk wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> Thanks for the several suggestions.  
> 
> Here's a bit more on what I am doing:
> 
> The Company's Voice Mail has been acting up for a couple of months now. 
> Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.  And lately, it hasn't.  
> 
> So when customers call in, if all Customer Service people are busy, the
> caller should go to voice mail.  Well, they don't.  they just go away.  
> 
> The phone system does record all numbers calling in, so there is a list
> of phone numbers.   But we have no way of knowing the name of the
> customer calling, just their number.  And some people call every day, or
> multiple times per day.  So in the record there are going to be
> duplicates.  
> 
> 
> -- 
> And the crazy thing is that there is no way that anyone knows, as how to
> get this list of numbers out of the Phone Systems records.  
> 
> Now, I am sure there is a file some where on the systems storage, but
> those who know something about the phone system have no idea where that
> file would be, or what it would be called.  
> 
> So, the Boss has someone reading me these phone numbers out of the phone
> system.  I then have been typing them out in a Document, as in a long
> list.  
> 
> Just by hearing the numbers, I can tell when I hear a duplicate number,
> but this is not fool proof.  
> 
> So I have these phone numbers, in a Word File.  Hundreds of phone
> numbers, and I am to remove the duplicates, because the Boss intends for
> Customer Service to call all of these numbers back.  
> 
> The Company already looks like idiots since customers are not getting
> called back, and then to have the poor souls in Customer Service call a
> customer twice, three times or more, isn't going to look great either.  
> 
> So, I and another have been tasked with getting all of these numbers
> into a file, to be given to customer service, and with no duplicates.  
> 
>   Welcome to the Real World when it comes to problem solving.  
> 
> Butch's Sorting in DOS sounds like a possible solution.  I can save my
> document as a Text file.  I'll give this a try.
> 
> Since I have hundreds of numbers to weed through, I was trying to use the
> power of the computer to strip out the duplicates, rather than having me
> and this other person go through them one at a time and hoping to
> remove all duplicates.  
> 
> So thought I would ask the list here, since we have some smart folks
> here.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: windows 10 speech in safe mode

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Did you start WE after you got into safe mode?  Also, you might need
to uncheck the safe mode and then check it again after restarting WE.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:00:40 -0500,
net bat via Talk wrote:
> 
> does w e speech work in safe mode with windows 10?
> i have the safe mode option checked in the windows enhanced app
> but i don't have speech yet in safe mode. it works with windows 7
> on the same computer.
> i found a command prompt command to bring back the old safe boot
> menu that windows 7 has  useing f8 key but when i boot in safe
> mode this way there is no w e speech.
> 
> 
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Re: Window-Eyes free edition

[John Covici via Talk]

I would try to go to the control panel, the apps menu, diagnostics,
and repair office (not sure of exact wording) and see if that works.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 06:36:29 -0500,
Martin Brown via Talk wrote:
> 
> I have a friend who recently installed the Microsoft 365 package on her
> computer. She has also installed the free version of Window-Eyes which
> should give her a fully functioning version of the programme. However, it
> will only run in Demo mode. Is there a way to correct this short of
> reinstalling.
> Many thanks in advance.
> Martin  
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Re: Abbyy FineReader 12 Professional Worthless program?

[John Covici via Talk]

Also, did you try the alt-0 and see how the pages are listed?  This
will tell you if it found any characters.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:20:18 -0500,
Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:
> 
> Goodmorning friend,
> 
> I was using abby-fine reader since version 10 and abby fine reader v11 and 12 
> are both accessible.  One thing that comes in my mind is, do you have the 
> ms-office installed on your system? Because if not that could be one of the 
> reasons why abby fine reader does not convert the scanned image into readable 
> text, another thing, are you sure that you sure that you are selected the 
> correct scan type  that says scan to ms-word?
> 
> In case you have still more difficulty, let us know, but rest your mind, your 
> investment is good and you are not waste your money.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:32 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Abbyy FineReader 12 Professional Worthless program?
> 
> If any of you have used this program, you may write me off list. When I try 
> to scan a document, all I get is an untitled document with page numbers on 
> it. Sorry I bought the program. The WE virtual View app displays no text, 
> either. Please help.
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Re: Abbyy FineReader 12 Professional Worthless program?

[John Covici via Talk]

I use this program all the time, it sounds like you are not actually
getting a scanned image at all.  You might want to type bypass and
alt-0 and see what the list of pages tells you, maybe there is no text
or some problems which it will say.

Can you scan with other software to make sure your scanner is
functioning?

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:31:43 -0500,
Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> 
> If any of you have used this program, you may write me off list. When I try 
> to scan a document, all I get is an untitled document with page numbers on 
> it. Sorry I bought the program. The WE virtual View app displays no text, 
> either. Please help.
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Re: support?

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Telephone is good.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:01:29 -0400,
Tony C via Talk wrote:
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> Hi, How long does it usually take to get an email response from Ai squared? I 
> know it used to be pretty quick with GW micro. I sent a message this morning 
> and still haven’t gotten a response. just wondering.
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Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!

[John Covici via Talk]

latest cumulative update seems to have fixed this for me.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:06:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> To fix this, do the following:-
> 
> 1.  Open a command prompt.  Press the Windows key and type cmd and if it
> says Command Prompt, press enter.
> 
> 2. Type the following two lines in the command prompt, substituting
> user_name with your own user name, exactly as it appears in the directory
> sstructure:-
> 
> PUSHD C:\Users\user_name\Favorites 
> ICACLS *.URL /L /T /SETINTEGRITYLEVEL MED
> 
> Type this exactly as it appears on the above two lines.
> 
> Now type Exit to get out of the command prompt.
> 
> Congratulations, your problem is fixed.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Lynn White via Talk
> Sent: 19 September 2016 16:49
> To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: Latest Windows 10 update is causing a new security warning!
> 
> Yes, sure have.  It's annoying.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/2016 7:52 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
> > Last week Microsoft pushed out a Cumulative update to Windows 10.  
> > After I installed this update on both my desktop and laptop, I now get 
> > a security warning on any link that I open with internet explorer in 
> > my favorites folder.  Has anyone else noticed this?
> >
> >
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Re: Off List Question

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If you have Microsoft office actually on your computer, evenoffice 365
but it has to be installed, then go to www.windoweyesforoffice.com and
download from there.  Voices are available for a small fee, if you
don't like espeak.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:44:04 -0400,
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> 
> I have a friend who can't afford to buy a screenreader, so I redcommended 
> N.V.D.A.  Is there a way to use another voice, beside the ones provided in 
> the program?  I told him that he may just have to adjust to the voices.  
> also, how does one get the free Window Eyes with Office?
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

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Same here, good luck in your new position.  
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:45:32 -0400,
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> 
> Good luck Jeremy for the future i also enjoyed your webinars.
> Cheers Michael.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jeremy Curry via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Thank you very much, Linda.
> 
> God Bless,
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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> Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
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> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people
> are willing to say that God is leading them. That's important to
> a Christian, and that's a wonderful Bible verse.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Linda
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> - Original Message -
> From: Jeremy Curry via Talk  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List  sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:56:18 +
> Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Hi Everyone,
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> I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I
> will be leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for
> nearly 12 years, my final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have
> decided to take a job with Interactive Accessibility.  While I
> won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to know that
> it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue
> to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I don't
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> (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking forward to the new challenges and
> people that God has in store for me.
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> Warm Regards and God Bless,
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Re: Decaccess 32 resolved.

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Recent versions of thunderbird are not mouse accessible, if it does
not work in the command processor, you have a display driver problem.
It should also work in windows explorer after a fashion.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:43:36 -0400,
brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> 
> Okay, my Decaccess 32 problem if fixed and now I have control of
> pitch and tone settings. Now, in Windows 10 I find the mouse
> pointer about useless 95 percent of the time. Reading the current
> window shift control W never works. In TB, while composing mail
> can read current line with control num pad 5, but control num pad
> 8 no longer works. Matter a fact, control num pad 5 is the only
> one the works. In a list view anywhere in windows  can't get
> shift control S to work the way it's suppose to, nor can I move
> by mouse clips, I believe that's what it called where you hold
> down the mouse insert key  hit number 9 to go forward, . Insert
> 4,5, and 6 no long read previous current and next letter
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Re: getting window-eyes to stop loading when you tell it to now load at start up

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You have to run WE as administrator for those to stick.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:22:30 -0400,
Casey via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi if I don't wan window-eyes to load when my computer starts how
> do I get it to not load up at all?
> I went in to start up options and see where it says global
> settings and then the check boxes that say start up for all users
> and run window-eyes never.
> So I select the run window-eyes never.
> And the next time I restart my computer window-eyes comes back up.
> So how do you correct this?
> 
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Re: Video Driver not Attached error

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Restarting WE should fix the problem.  If this keeps happening on
reboot, just restart WE again.  It used to happen to me till I got an
ssd drive.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:15:29 -0400,
Dave via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> since receiving the newest Windows 10 update, WE 9.5 does not have access
> to a needed Video Driver.  I do not know if this driver is one that is
> part of Window Eyes, or is part of Windows 10.
> 
> Other than shutting down WE 9.5 and restarting WE 9.5, is there another
> way to solve the problem of the Driver not being attached?
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: Having trouble with not having Windoweyes come up after the login screen

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But you have to run WE as administrator, to actually save the changes.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:10:50 -0400,
Charles Short via Talk wrote:
> 
> Go to the window-eyes control panel, press alt h then v, go to startup and
> you should find something that says start Window-Eyes after all users, etc.
> 
> 
> Charlie Short
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Having trouble with not having Windoweyes come up after the login
> screen
> 
> Hi. I don't want Windoweyes coming up after the login screen. How do I go
> about not having Windoweyes come up after the login screen and how do I save
> my changes? I have tried this process many times but Windoweyes still comes
> up after the login screen. Thanks for your help and have a great day. 
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Re: OT: opticbook 3600 scanner

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I did get it to work after much work, I think I had to install the
driver by downloading from their site and you have to watch what model
of the board you have as well.  I am not sure what their status is, if
they have a windows 10 driver or not.

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> Anyone on here have the Opticbook 3600 scanner?  I was using it for scanning 
> books into Kurzweil 1000 a few years ago and had it working on my WE 8.1 
> laptop, but cannot get my new Windows 10 laptop to recognize it when I insert 
> the driver CD.  When I plug it into the USB port, it chimes as if Win 10 sees 
> it, but it's not prompting me with a new hardware installation.  I went to 
> Control panel to see if I could find it and there is a reference to a generic 
> USB scanner , but when I try to run the driver CD, I get a pop up that says 
> scanner cannot be found.  A web search I did for win 10 drivers gave me the 
> impression that I should be able to use my old CD to get basic drivers 
> installed.
> 
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Re: Browse Mode, and missing characters

[John Covici via Talk]

I usually don't use tabs, but windows instead with both internet
explorer and firefox and I have never run into those problems, maybe
try that instead?  Keys are different, but you get the same result,
although I don't think I have had as many as 10 open at once.

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 02:11:17 -0400,
David via Talk wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I thought I had stated that in the message, but I am mainly using 
> Firefox. The few times I am in Internet explorer, I seem to remember the 
> same behavior showing up, but will have to pay more attention in those 
> cases, and will keep the list informed.
> 
> 
> When comes to Google Chrome, I only have opened it a couple of times, 
> and tried it on a few webpages. Some I did not find anything more 
> accessible, and others got worse than what I find to be the case with 
> Firefox. Besides, I do not agree in the way Google collects your 
> browsing history, and Firefox offers me a few add-ons that speed up my 
> productivity - like the NoScript blocking tool. I really would hate to 
> have to switch to another browser, just because our screen reader does 
> no longer read the information correctly off the screen. Specially so, 
> since Firefox often is the one alternative the staff members themselves 
> have pointed out for us to use, when things don't work.
> 
> 
> OK, I am not in for a prolonged discussion on which browser to use. Each 
> one will have to determine for himself, depending on personal 
> preferences, and what your browsing includes. I just meant to tell you 
> why I am with the alternative I currently am.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David
> 
> On 9/21/2016 6:20 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > Hi David:
> >
> > What browser are you using?  I have found that problem with Google
> > Chrome, but not on Firefox or Internet Explorer.
> >
> > Kevin Huber
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/16, David via Talk  wrote:
> >> This has been the case, ever since the new Browse mode was introduced.
> >> And it happens on that many sites, that it would be strange to imagine
> >> that I would be the only one struggling wwith the following issue. My
> >> browser is set to automatically maximize any window, and hitting
> >> Ctrl-Shift-T does confirm the window to be fully maximized.
> >>
> >>
> >> I would be reading a arbitrary website. It could be a newspaper article,
> >> it could be an article on Wikipedia, it might be a product page of some
> >> store, or it could be an advertisement on Ebay. Most cases all the text
> >> will come through, and my reading is just fine. But all the sudden, the
> >> screen reader cuts off the last character of each line. This is
> >> annoying, to say the least, and could even lead to quite misinterpretted
> >> text comprehension. There is, for instance, a big difference if a
> >> product costs $165, or only $16 - all depending on whether the screen
> >> reader will acknowledge the last character on the line.
> >>
> >>I even have seen several cases, where the page mainly reads just fine,
> >> and only certain sections of the page have their characters cut off.
> >>
> >> Every time a new version of WE is released, I hope for the lost
> >> character issue to have been fixed. But so far, unfortunately the
> >> characters still go for their lunch and holiday, anywhere in cyberspace.
> >> With the more sofisticated speech synthesizers, a word with its last
> >> character may be mispronounced, but you could live with that (somehow).
> >> But other synthesizers, like the AT ones, will start spelling out
> >> words that are not recognized as correctly spelled. Needless to tell you
> >> all, it is eardropping and annoying, and definitely does not speed up
> >> productivity having to guess every word that happens to end any line in
> >> a more lengthy article.
> >>
> >> Why does the new Browse mode do this kind of character cutting? Any
> >> reason for it not to have been addressed yet?
> >>
> >> I already stated that it happens this often, totally cross-domain, that
> >> it puzzles me if noone else have seen the behavior. For whatever that
> >> might be worth, I mainly use the latest version of Firefox, and have for
> >> all the time of the new Browse mode, even long before that. Yet, the few
> >> times I am in Internet explorer, I seem to remember the issue showing up
> >> there as well, so would hold nothing against one browser over the other.
> >> The issue does not exactly make my screen reader much reliable - the way
> >> I understand the term "reliable".
> >>
> >> Hope this can be addressed, and fixed before next release of the screen
> >> reader.
> >>
> >> Anyone having any experience if this behavior would be the case with any
> >> of the other screen readers on the market?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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Re: weird issue with apps after rebooting

[John Covici via Talk]

I think that the wineyes.ini file in your default folder gets
corrupted, keep a copy around and if this happens replace the one you
have and that will recover all your apps.  I have not had this lately,
but I have had to do that.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:05:16 -0400,
Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> 
> I've seen this happen in older Window-eyes versions before, and
> it just happened to me a couple days ago. I've only just got
> things back to the way I want them.  For some inexplicable
> reason, after I rebooted due to a Windows 10 update, I noticed
> that all of my Window-eyes apps had been uninstalled?  removed?
> changed somehow?
> 
>   The only way I knew how to fix it was to download everything
> again.  I had to first re-install GW Toolkit, which then allowed
> me to re-install AppGet, and then I was able to get all the other
> apps I use pretty easily.  But the better question is, why is
> this happening?  I would think after something as simple as a
> reboot, the apps should all stay working, right?  I shouldn't
> have to re-download them every time a new version of Window-eyes
> is released.  Oddly enough this only happens one time, so it
> looks like the first time after you reboot after installing a new
> version of Window-eyes, this is what happens.  Anyone else know
> what i'm talking about?  Has anyone else experienced this after
> installing 9.3.5?
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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