Re: jarte

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Try
http://www.jarte.com/help_new/

On 4/17/2019 8:47 AM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, does anyone know of a tutorial for Jarte? I am trying to set tabs
and find it a mystery. For example, I set the tab stop to 0.5 inches,
but when I press the tab key, the status line says that the cursor has moved 
only
one column. If there are any jarte users out there, please help.

Butch

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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Also, don't forget Narrator. In the fall release of Windows 10, Narrator 
is going to be allot better with a more sensible  layout of screen 
reader commands.


On 8/23/2018 1:11 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

I think her point is that she won't have to pay to maintain a screen reader 
license once on a Mac platform.  I like Voiceover on my phone, but cannot bring 
myself to invest in a Mac, especially while still using Windows at work.  NVDA 
is certainly a nice option to keep the cost out of the Windows picture.



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:30 PM
To: via Talk 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

try the free n v d a. and jaws is a lot easier to upgrade then the i phone.
you will have the same problem if you are going to use the i phone.
it has to be updated about twice per year
you need a i tunes account and computer to upgrade it.
and half the time i have to restore the phone because the upgrade failed.
you will have virtually no access to any files saved on the phone like you have
with windows.
after about 3 years apple will not give any   more upgrades for the phone.
the same with a apple mac.
it gets to the point where you will get a pop up telling you you need to get a
new computer when you try to upgrade safari. my neace hit this point last year
on her 5 year old mac.
etc. etc.



-Original Message-
From: George Savory via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
upgrade
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Re: New standard keyboard coming to Narrator

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I bet this is going to put the big hurt to JAWS! Last year I did the 
Migration to JAWS and even paid for the 2 upgrades. Big mistake on my 
partv, probably didn't give it more than 5 hours trying to learn it. 
Went to NVDA, and Narrator at times. Finally removed Window Eyes a few 
weeks ago, it was becoming useless in Windows ten. This new keyboard 
layout using Narrator sounds real promising.

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New standard keyboard coming to Narrator

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Welcome to your new Narrator keyboard layout (June 2018)
The Narrator team is pleased to announce some major changes to the way 
that you interact with Narrator.
We wanted to make it easier for you to learn and use Narrator, so we’re 
building on the knowledge you may have acquired using other screen 
readers. In this release, we’re introducing the new Standard keyboard 
layout for Narrator. We’re bringing these changes to Insider builds, and 
we want your feedback.

Here are some highlights:
Narrator now lets you use either the Caps lock or Insert keys as your 
Narrator modifier key. So, from now on, we’ll refer to these modifier 
keys as the Narrator key.
The Change View commands have been updated. Change View commands are now 
mapped to the Narrator key + Page up and Page down keys. You can also 
use Change View by pressing Narrator key + Control + Up arrow and Down 
arrow. Move Next and Move Previous haven’t changed.
Scan Mode’s Primary and Secondary Action commands have changed. Primary 
Action can be executed by pressing Enter or Spacebar. You can complete 
Secondary Action by simply adding a Shift key to each of those keys 
(Shift + Enter or Shift + Spacebar). You’ll see this change regardless 
of the keyboard layout you select.
Narrator’s page, paragraph, line, word and character commands have been 
changed in our new Standard keyboard layout. In addition, many of 
Narrator’s commands have been moved to be more mnemonic. Some have also 
been moved to align to keystrokes that are more familiar to screen 
reader users.
You can now use the numeric keypad to issue Narrator commands. We’ll 
talk more about this later.
We’ve added a few new commands for Narrator, including List of Links, 
List of Headings, List of Landmarks and Narrator Find.
Several new Scan Mode keyboard commands have been added to allow you to 
select text.
Several of Narrator’s keyboard commands for moving to Links, Headings, 
and Tables have been deprecated from the Standard keyboard layout. These 
commands are still available in Scan Mode and Change View. We’ve also 
deprecated the ”Move to last item in containing area” command.
To keep your keyboard layout the same, go to Settings > Ease of Access > 
Narrator, and choose the Legacy layout. This will revert Narrator to the 
experience that shipped in the Windows April 2018 release. Please note 
that new Narrator commands in this release will not be available in the 
Legacy keyboard layout if keystrokes for legacy commands conflict with 
those used in our new Narrator features.

Keep reading to learn more about these changes
The upgrade experience
When you upgrade to this version of Windows and turn on Narrator, a 
dialog will pop up that gives you some information about the changes 
we’ve made to the Narrator keyboard. Check the box next to “Do not show 
this again” if you don’t want to see it again.

The Narrator key
In this release, we’ve made some changes to the Narrator modifier key. 
We’ll refer to it as the Narrator key throughout Narrator settings and 
in documentation going forward.
By default, the Caps lock and Insert keys will be available as your 
Narrator key. If you’re using a 106 Japanese keyboard, then the 
NonConvert and Insert keys can be used as your Narrator key. This is a 
change from prior releases where the Control and Alt keys were used as 
Narrator’s modifier keys.

Narrator settings changes
We’ve added a new heading in Narrator settings called “Choose keyboard 
settings.” You can get to it in Scan Mode by using the H key to move to 
the heading. You’ll find these settings there:

Select keyboard layout
This setting allows you to select your Narrator keyboard layout. By 
default, the Standard keyboard layout is selected. If you want to return 
to the keyboard layout from the April 2018 release, select the Legacy 
layout.
Note: You can select the “Learn about the different Narrator keyboard 
layouts” link to learn more about the changes to the Narrator keyboard. 
In the Windows Insider build you are testing this link will send you to 
the current public-facing Narrator user guide. The documentation you’re 
reading now will be merged into the Narrator user guide when we ship the 
final release later this year.

Select Narrator modifier key
This setting allows you to determine the keys used as Narrator’s 
modifier key. The following options are available:

Caps lock and Insert (the default setting)
Insert
Caps lock
If you’re using a 106 Japanese keyboard, the settings will be:
NonConvert and Insert (the default setting)
Convert
Insert
NonConvert
Note: If you choose the Legacy keyboard layout, this setting won’t be 
available. The Caps lock key will be available and the Ctrl + Alt 
Narrator key modifier will be used for Japanese keyboard users when in 
the Legacy keyboard layout.

The Standard keyboard layout
The next few sections tell you more about how Narrator’s new Standard 
keyboard layout differs from the previous keyboard layout (now 

screen reader compatibility

[brice Mijares via Talk]

 I copied this from another list.Hi everyone,
Below is an update on screen reader compatibility notice and a schedule 
of events regarding Version 1803:
A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice replaces 
the preliminary one and should be considered official compatibility 
notice from this forum cluster:
Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known compatible 
screen readers:

• Narrator : yes.
• NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
• JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
• ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
• Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators Update) 
or later (except Window-Eyes).
Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen reader 
from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule of 
events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
• Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build will 
be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the entire forum 
cluster will enter Version 1803 era.

• Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
• April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the Win10 
forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade reports and 
impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft staff and screen 
reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator privileges so they can 
pass on critical information for screen reader users (please show them 
respect during that time).
• Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version 
1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for both 
1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
• June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens earlier: 
cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The next KB alert 
for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer support.

• December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
• October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 1803 
will hit the air.

Cheers,
Joseph
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FX and no script

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Using FX 52.x and latest no script, I have to hit the down arrow once to 
hit close before I can navigate most web pages I visit. The only other 
option, is options. I uninstalled FX and no script and nothing changeed. 
Is THIS THE NEW NORMAL FOR no scripts? And yes, I've gave permission to 
the page or pages I choose to visit. Thanks for any info.

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Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I have both a junk folder and a trash folder in Thunderbird. I clear 
both out by selecting select all followed by shift delete.

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from window eyesto jaws to NVDA

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	Here is another factor I don't like about Jaws. Last time I ran an 
update to Jaws, I had a new version on my desktop. The installation 
should have prompted me whether I wanted to install over an desisting 
copy or not.

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, they can't get jaws to work correctly in edge or FX. Read yesterday 
that they finally fixed jaws to work in windows ten mail app. I use both 
 mail app and Thunderbird. NVDA works great with FX 52.x.. I been 
learning to use Edge, but don't really like it.


On 2/22/2018 10:50 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Glad you are giving NVDA a try. I'm afraid that FS is trying to suck the
juice out of a dead line of software.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:36 AM
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Subject: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it
   a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since.
occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, panel,
settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.
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from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't 
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it 
 a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since. 
occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, 
panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.

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Re: Problems navigating websites

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I migrated to Jaws, paid for 2 upgrades and never use it. NVDA is my 
choice of screen reader. Basically wasted around 120 dollars.


On 2/2/2018 11:54 AM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:

Hello everyone,

I’m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the 
latest WE with the Chrome app. I’ll start reading something, and WE will just 
stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does anyone out 
there have any suggestions of things to try or change to improve this? perhaps 
I’d be better off with another screen reader? I’d really rather not use JAWS as 
I’m not doing anything very complicated any more and wouldn’t use most of its 
features.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Janet
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Re: ribbons

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out.

On 1/18/2018 1:46 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

I recall doing a search on YouTube when I first moved to Office 2010. I think I searched 
for "Microsoft ribbon Window Eyes"  or something like that and find a couple 
quick sessions on using Window Eyes with the ribbons in Word.
It the

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Subject: ribbons

I am looking for a tutorial on ribbons. One that covers windows ten. An audio 
tutorial would be nice. Thanks.
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ribbons

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I am looking for a tutorial on ribbons. One that covers windows ten. An 
audio tutorial would be nice. Thanks.

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Re: re-installed W.e. for Windows 10, question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Open wineyes control panel, down to general, right arrow to expand, 
arrow down once to start up options.


On 1/14/2018 9:42 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

how do I stop Window Eyes from coming on at start up?



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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Open firefox, hit control J locate bookmarks, I think it's the bottom of 
a list view. once your On bookmarks, hit the alt key  and right arrow 
till you locate import. good luck.

 1/1/2018 12:53 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thanks.  I suppose setting it for my home page would work and I could 
then establish my bookmarks as I use them.


Carol


On 1/1/2018 3:40 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
If you can't get the import to work, you can point your new browser to 
that file, since it is written in HTML. That's what I have done with 
bookmarks I saved in the Lynx browser many years ago. If you use this 
approach, it probably doesn't matter which folder contains this file 
on your Windows 10 system, as long as you can navigate to the file.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 3:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Thank you Rod, but I spent almost two hours trying to find a way to
import and I never did.  I did not have any difficulty with the
exporting, once I knew where to do it.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 2:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, I was trying to show you the menu you would need to go to in 
order to find out how to import.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 1, 2018 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import
it to the new PC.  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you 
need to be in to import bookmarks:


Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file 
containing links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice 
and look for the bookmark you need.

Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, 
choose Import and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, 
and then click Save. ...

Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: New frustrations with TB, please help

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I don't know anything about your filtering problem, but you may give 
control W a try to close TB.


On 12/16/2017 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Hey listers,


Since spending four days in the hospital after dropping the DTBM on my 
foot, something has started to happen with my Thunderbird that is not 
helping with my recuperation.



For some reason, I keep getting a box that seems to ask me if I wish to 
filter some messages with the key commands of ctrl-shift-k, but it is in 
an edit box that I cannot move around in, and for some reason, maybe 
related to this, it is making it impossible to close TB as a Window 
using F4. Therefore, I have to use the task manager to shut down TB.



Could it be that TB has been updated since I've been away, and now 
presenting me with these new issues?



Well,my foot is really starting to hurt again, so I'd better sign out 
and hope that one of you can help me out of this rather irritating mess.



Any help will surely be greatly appreciated,


Larry

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Re: Is there a start up sound for sound for JAWS or a way to enable one?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

That's a good question! Both Window Eyes and NVDA have a start up and 
unloading sound.


On 12/12/2017 3:15 PM, Ashley Breger via Talk wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi guys,
I was just wondering does anybody know if there is anyway to enable a start up 
sound for jaws?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley
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Re: bypass key?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

NVDA key F-3

On 12/9/2017 5:12 PM, Ron or Susan Denis via Talk wrote:

Does Jaws have a bypass key and if so, what is it?
Ron
Denis

-Original Message- From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Richard Jarvis
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

I have been out of the loop for a little while.  Do we need to call FS
to get jaws 2018 disk mailed to us if we have a sma on file with them?
Thanks for any help
Rick

On 11/22/2017 9:16 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually
install it on my windows 10 machines.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 11/22/2017 3:19 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the
front. Is this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C

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Re: Starting Window Eyes/JAWS ey

[brice Mijares via Talk]

You must unload window eyes first, insert control F-4, Then load Jaws 
control alt F-4. Insert F-4 unloads jaws.


On 12/6/2017 5:33 AM, Debra Hill via Talk wrote:

Hi,

  


If I have Window Eyes up and would like to use JAWS, do I have to restart
the computer each time?  Is there a way to switch from one screen reader to
another without re-booting?

Thanks!

Deborah

  


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Re: jaws 2018

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I can't remember if control  w closed edge or alt space bar then C, but 
I eventually got it closed.


On 11/23/2017 2:21 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, I installed Jaws 2018m and turned on Microsoft Edge, I was able to use it 
and even went to Netflix and started a movie with no real trouble. However when 
I try to close Edge using alt F4 the dialogue box to shut down my pc comes up 
and nothing I do with the key board will activate the OK button or the cancel 
button. I had to get my GF to use the mouse and click one or the other of the 
buttons. I tried it 3 times with the same result. ?

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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

my passwords went silent a few years ago when I started using Kasper ski 
anti virus.


On 11/19/2017 10:48 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
with some web sites you don't hear the stars until you tab out and back 
into the edit field and arrow over them.
more and more sites give you the option to show your password. so what 
purpose does it serve to hide them.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM
To: BK via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

Myself, I only copy and paste my password for logging into my bank
account because it's like 18 characters long. The rest of my passwords I
type them in. I don't hear anything when I type in passwords, no star,
nothing. All my passwords are stored on a thump drive, not in my
computer! I say, to each there own.
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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Myself, I only copy and paste my password for logging into my bank 
account because it's like 18 characters long. The rest of my passwords I 
type them in. I don't hear anything when I type in passwords, no star, 
nothing. All my passwords are stored on a thump drive, not in my 
computer! I say, to each there own.

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Re: lost key command

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Did you try rebooting your system?

On 11/2/2017 5:48 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hello.

I have been using win key plus D for about as long as I have been using 
a computer to go to the desktop.  Today, t5hat command no longer works. 
I can still use win key plus m, but sometimes, win key plus just happens 
to be more practical for me.  Does anyone know how I can get win key 
plus d back?  Thank you.


Carol
Carol


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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, I have a full copy on my computer, and a backup  copy on a 32 gig 
thumb drive.


On 10/28/2017 9:45 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote:
Hi do you know how to just copy the  hole file or just the win eyes 
files to put then on a cd or flash drive.

For the future cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:45 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk

I was sent a link to download it. I just used it to do a clean install.

On 10/28/2017 10:19 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
What?  How did they send it to you?  It's not a disk already?  If it 
is, how come you would have to make another one?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: IE or fx

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Thanks, I'll look into this.

On 10/28/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I would get the latest driver update for your display adapter. Get it 
either from the your computer manufacturer or the adapter manufacturer.
Window-Eyes and JAWS use mirror drivers you can see in Device Manager 
along with the actual driver. NVDA doesn't use this method.

Hth,
Tom


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I just removed window eyes 9.5.4 and did a clean install. FX still 
don't work with wineyes, still no navigational keys, I think 
something  got messed up during the win 10 fall update. What I don't 
understand, is why NVDA works. I have problems

  with wineyes and jaws in FX or IE
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I was sent a link to download it. I just used it to do a clean install.

On 10/28/2017 10:19 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
What?  How did they send it to you?  It's not a disk already?  If it is, 
how come you would have to make another one?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: IE or fx

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I just removed window eyes 9.5.4 and did a clean install. FX still don't 
work with wineyes, still no navigational keys, I think something  got 
messed up during the win 10 fall update. What I don't understand, is why 
NVDA works. I have problems

 with wineyes and jaws in FX or IE
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[brice Mijares via Talk]

no, it's not zipped.  I'll take a look for the setup file.

On 10/28/2017 10:02 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

is this a zip file? a folder with the files in them etc.
you might only have to copy the files to a flash drive then find and run 
the setup.exe file to install it.
even a installation disk you can copy the files to a flash drive and do 
the same thing. run the setup.exe setup file.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:50 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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window eyes instalation disk

[brice Mijares via Talk]

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to 
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to 
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the 
disk. Thanks.

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Re: IE or fx

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I do have a downloaded version of 9.5.4 that I requested when we were 
notified that wineyes was ending. But now, I'm having the same issue 
using Jaws. NVDA works fine. I just finished running SFC /scannow and it 
came back okay. I'm perplexed.

On 10/28/2017 8:17 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, About a week ago, you posted that you had to reinstall WE, but that
you only had an installation for WE 9.0.  Have you been able to get WE
9.5.4 installed?  B


On 10/28/2017 10:45 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

  I am still having navigational issues with IE or FX. Window eyes has
the same problem that started a few weeks ago in FX 56.x where we lost
navigational keys. Uninstalled FX 56.x and installed FX 52.4 and have
the same problem with window eyes.
  I installed Jaws 2018 When i hit insert   f-function key 7 for a list
of links, I hear "feature only available in  virtual document. Using
firefox, or IE jaws 2018. Tried hitting escape key, no change, no
navigational  keys work other than tab key. Whats going on?  By the
way, NVDA works fine with my limited knowledge of NVDA. Using all
current screen reader versions, window 10 fall edition. Any advice
will be welcomed. Thanks
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IE or fx

[brice Mijares via Talk]

 I am still having navigational issues with IE or FX. Window eyes has 
the same problem that started a few weeks ago in FX 56.x where we lost 
navigational keys. Uninstalled FX 56.x and installed FX 52.4 and have 
the same problem with window eyes.
 I installed Jaws 2018 When i hit insert   f-function key 7 for a list 
of links, I hear "feature only available in  virtual document. Using 
firefox, or IE jaws 2018. Tried hitting escape key, no change, no 
navigational  keys work other than tab key. Whats going on?  By the way, 
NVDA works fine with my limited knowledge of NVDA. Using all current 
screen reader versions, window 10 fall edition. Any advice will be 
welcomed. Thanks

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navigational keys in FX and now in jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

 Ever since windows 10 fall update that came out last week, I cant 
navigate web pages using firefox with Jaws   or window eyes. I removed 
FX 56.x and installed FX 52.4 and still no navigational keys  using 
either screen reader. NVDA works fine though. Before update Jaws to 
2018, I need to know why I lost navigational keys using wineyes and 
jaws. Any  help would be appreciated.

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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I may have to, I have nothing to loose. Presently, all window eyes  is 
good for, is navigating windows ten. Thanks for the info.
On 10/24/2017 7:22 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

Brice, why not experiment?  Install Window-Eyes 9.0 from your desk and then
perform the upgrade to 9.5.4.  In the past, to get the 9.0, one needed to
install the 8xx version.  I'll say give it a try it may jolly well work.
Anyway, that's what I'll do over here; I have the 9.0 disk and a few of the
upgrade thingies scattered on various folders here and there.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I have the latest downloaded version 9.5.4, but have been told using it 
as an installation of wineyes will turn into demo mode. Thanks.


On 10/24/2017 6:34 AM, loy via Talk wrote:
VFO was giving a link to WE 9.5 owner for a download, not sure if they 
still are, but contact them and see.



On 10/24/2017 8:58 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of 
luck. It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!

 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will 
install as a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.



-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Hi John, Thanks for the offer, but I don't use office.

On 10/24/2017 6:29 AM, john schwery via Talk wrote:
Bryce, if you have office, I could send you the download of office 
version 9.54.


At 08:58 AM 10/24/2017, you wrote:
, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of 
luck. It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!

 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will 
install as a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes version for win ten
I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[brice Mijares via Talk]

, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of 
luck. It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!

 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will install 
as a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.



-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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window eyes version for win ten

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is 
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I 
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.

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Re: remove latest fx and installed old version

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I'll have to look into that. I haven't even given jaws a try. Went back 
to NVDA. Thanks for the suggestion.


On 10/23/2017 1:21 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
maybe you need a new video driver. some people have reported that the 
upgrade removed the factory video and audio drivers with genaric 
microsoft drivers.
you may have to re install window eyes or jaws because maybe this 
windows handles video differently from the anniversery version did.

i have not upgraded windows 10 and i use windows 7 most of the time.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: remove latest fx and installed old version

This morning I decided to uninstall FX 56.x and install
Firefox Setup 52.4.0esr.exe. After going through all that, I still have
the same problem as in version 56.x. Only the tab key would work. Using
windows ten fall edition.
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remove latest fx and installed old version

[brice Mijares via Talk]

This morning I decided to uninstall FX 56.x and install
Firefox Setup 52.4.0esr.exe. After going through all that, I still have 
the same problem as in version 56.x. Only the tab key would work. Using 
windows ten fall edition.

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Re: firefox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Well, that's exactly what seems like whats happening. Guess it's time to 
give Google Chrome a go. Thanks for the info.


On 10/16/2017 11:04 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

you can thank mazilla for this.
firefox 56 or 57 will no longer support the current a p i i think this 
is called add ons. unless the authors of there add ons are not converted 
to the new standard all of them will stop working.
from what i read there are 18000 add ons but only 2000 has been 
converted over to the new standard.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: firefox

Firefox has been acting strange over the weekend. No scrips won't load.
So I went to tools, to add ons, to the extension tab and every extension
just says loading. I do have the option to disable or uninstall. the
version that no longer works with win eyes, 56.x
When I load a page in FX, I canhit the context key and up arrow to no
script to allow scripts to run or not run with the particular web page,
well, No Scripts isn't even showing under the context menu. Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: firefox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Hi John, I've tried both NVDA and Jaws with the same results.  Also, 
when I start FX it now goes to the last web site I was on when I close 
FX instead of my home page. Thanks


On 10/16/2017 10:55 AM, john schwery via Talk wrote:
Bryce, you might try it with another screen  reader and see if firefox 
behaves the same.


At 12:03 PM 10/16/2017, you wrote:
Firefox has been acting strange over the weekend. No scrips won't 
load. So I went to tools, to add ons, to the extension tab and every 
extension just says loading. I do have the option to disable or 
uninstall. the version that no longer works with win eyes, 56.x
When I load a page in FX, I canhit the context key and up arrow to no 
script to allow scripts to run or not run with the particular web 
page, well, No Scripts isn't even showing under the context menu. Any 
ideas? Thanks.

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firefox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Firefox has been acting strange over the weekend. No scrips won't load. 
So I went to tools, to add ons, to the extension tab and every extension 
just says loading. I do have the option to disable or uninstall. the 
version that no longer works with win eyes, 56.x
When I load a page in FX, I canhit the context key and up arrow to no 
script to allow scripts to run or not run with the particular web page, 
well, No Scripts isn't even showing under the context menu. Any ideas? 
Thanks.

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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

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Thank you David.
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

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David, would you please send me the Chrome tutorial? Thank You.
bricemija...@att.net
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Re: fire fox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Been like that since late last week. FX updated and window eyes no 
longer works with it.


On 10/5/2017 11:44 AM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Anybody having trouble using fire fox

It seems as if I can't read the page or even in searching, no links or
headings come up

Thanks

Don

  


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Re: firefox 55.03

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Joseph, Thanks for going through the hassle of posting the link. In the 
past, Firefox has upgraded regardless of your update settings in 
options.  Personally I decided to use NVDA or Jaws.  Thanks.


On 10/1/2017 6:08 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Here’s a link for the 64-bit version of version 55.03:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/55.0.3/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2055.0.3.exe

If you need any other version, browse the listings under:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Hope this helps.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: firefox 55.03

Hi Bryce,

Unfortunatly I had to do a search on google for older versions of firefox.
My drop box isn't working or I would have uploaded the previous version for
you.

I did install it and its working fine with w.e.
It really is straightforward. Go to google and type in older versions of
firefox. The page is easy to navigate. Either tab down or press h till you
get to the link for downloading the previous version. The download should
start right away.

I haven't found where to uncheck the box to stop firefox updating
automatically. When I do I will let you know how its done.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: firefox 55.03

Does anyone have a working link to download fx 55.03? Thanks.
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Re: firefox 55.03

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Rod, that's exactly why I'm not bothering to roll back. I remember a few 
years back where I had firefox set up so it wouldn't update and it 
updated any how. I'm runninng Current win 10 64 bit and FX just dings. 
I'll still use wineyes for Thunderbird and navigating my computer system 
. Now that fall is here I'll take the time to learn Jaws.


On 10/1/2017 10:24 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Brice,

I checked the box to disable updating to the current version from 55 to 56, but 
it updated anyway.
Be that as it may, I'm finding no negative accessibility issues running 
Window-Eyes 9.5.4 under Windows 10 and the current 32-bit version of Firefox.
Granted, I'm only googling right now, and perhaps I will find problems with 
certain sites.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: October 1, 2017 12:19 PM
To: bj colt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: brice Mijares <bricemija...@att.net>
Subject: Re: firefox 55.03

BJ, Thanks anyhow. I think it's time to learn Jaws. I'd tell you how to
stop FX from updating, but it's different than in latest version. But if
I remember correctly, tool to option, advance tab and I think you tab
once and arrow down to updates. HTH

On 10/1/2017 8:47 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Bryce,

Unfortunatly I had to do a search on google for older versions of
firefox. My drop box isn't working or I would have uploaded the previous
version for you.

I did install it and its working fine with w.e.
It really is straightforward. Go to google and type in older versions of
firefox. The page is easy to navigate. Either tab down or press h till
you get to the link for downloading the previous version. The download
should start right away.

I haven't found where to uncheck the box to stop firefox updating
automatically. When I do I will let you know how its done.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: firefox 55.03

Does anyone have a working link to download fx 55.03? Thanks.
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Re: firefox 55.03

[brice Mijares via Talk]

BJ, Thanks anyhow. I think it's time to learn Jaws. I'd tell you how to 
stop FX from updating, but it's different than in latest version. But if 
I remember correctly, tool to option, advance tab and I think you tab 
once and arrow down to updates. HTH


On 10/1/2017 8:47 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Bryce,

Unfortunatly I had to do a search on google for older versions of 
firefox. My drop box isn't working or I would have uploaded the previous 
version for you.


I did install it and its working fine with w.e.
It really is straightforward. Go to google and type in older versions of 
firefox. The page is easy to navigate. Either tab down or press h till 
you get to the link for downloading the previous version. The download 
should start right away.


I haven't found where to uncheck the box to stop firefox updating 
automatically. When I do I will let you know how its done.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: firefox 55.03

Does anyone have a working link to download fx 55.03? Thanks.
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firefox 55.03

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Does anyone have a working link to download fx 55.03? Thanks.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I reported this vary problem yesterday morning. Had to use NVDA and had 
no problems. Also gave Jaws a try and it worked fine. So I'd say it had 
to do with FX's updating to a new version.


On 9/30/2017 6:37 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and 
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before 
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What 
happened?--Matthew Chao.

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wineyes and firefox

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Firefox updated this morning and I'm havein problems navigating a web 
page using wineyes, matter a fact, I can't use tab or any navigational 
keys. NVDA and Jaws worked fine.

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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Not that I know of. I wish it was like Outlook Express or Windows mail. 
Windows 10 has the mail app, but I'd rather use TB instead.


On 9/16/2017 12:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, 
windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where 
your at when you close TB.

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Okay, it sounds as if my assumption was incorrect. When I heard Window 
eyes was closing down I asked for a copy of the latest version and was 
sent a link for my copy to download. I assumed it was the same copy 
every one was getting, and if you did a clean install, you'd need your seri

 Thanks.al number or it would turn into demo mode.

On 9/8/2017 9:55 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

If you use a purchased fully downloaded copy of WE  or a CD that copy will have 
the Serial number included in the installation copy and there is not an 
activation. If you are talking about the Free for office version, I don't know 
how this was activated. But purchased copies never had to be activated, you 
could install on as many computers as you wish. WE is no longer sold, 
supported, updated.
   - Original Message -
   From: brice Mijares via Talk
   To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   Cc: brice Mijares
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:44 PM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
   still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
   correct?

   On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:
   > Hi Loy,
   >
   > Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no longer 
being developed.
   > I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   > Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.
   >- Original Message -
   >From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >Cc: Rod Hutton
   >Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   >Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >Hi Loy,
   >
   >If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   >I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   >If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
   >
   >Best,
   >
   >Rod
   >
   >-Original Message-
   >From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   >Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   >Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   >Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else then 
you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then using 
some one else's copy would not matter.
   >  - Original Message -
   >  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   >  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
   >
   >  -Original Message-
   >  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
aad leeflang via Talk
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: aad leeflang
   >  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >  ok thanks
   >  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 
9.0.
   >  i downloadee most versions.
   >  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
   >  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
   >  i guess not.
   >  aad
   >  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
   >  Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
   >
   >  > Hi Aad,
   >  >
   >  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
least version 9.2.
   >  >
   >  > Hth,
   >  >
   >  > Rod
   >  >
   >  > -Original Message-
   >  > From: Talk
   >  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On
   >  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[brice Mijares via Talk]

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would 
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this 
correct?


On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be okay for 
someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no longer being 
developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, infringement of 
copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some countries 
you had to have a dongle.
   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Loy 
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else 
then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then 
using some one else's copy would not matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of aad leeflang via Talk
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 9.0.
 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at least 
version 9.2.
 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
 > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 > Cc: aad leeflang 
 > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
 >
 > hello all
 > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
 > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it does
 > not work under windows 10.
 > i had the cd version 9.0.
 > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so that
 > i re install it?
 > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and could
 > work better with window eyes.
 > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould be
 > better tan window eyes anyway.
 > aad
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Re: App updates

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I too am interested.

On 9/6/2017 9:43 AM, evelyn weckerly via Talk wrote:

Hi, Rod,

I also will use Window Eyes for as long as I can, so I encourage you to 
make that more possible than it would otherwisebe.  Thank you so much 
for your service!


Cordially,

Evelyn

- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk 

Re: App updates

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I too am interested.

On 9/6/2017 8:32 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Count me in, Rod.  I truly appreciate your willingness to do this. Also, 
it seems imperative to get this done soon before V F O pulls the plug on 
the site where the scripts are hosted.



Don Roberts



On 9/5/2017 2:52 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but 
VFO is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone 
to set up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving 
support for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any 
Window-Eyes users you know.


Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

tom, are you using the TB app? I'm not  and the set file is default.set. 
NVDA works much better with Thunderbird. Jaws is also a pain in the ass too!


On 9/1/2017 9:16 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Go into Verbosity, Browse mode, New page information 1 and 2.
Set everything you hear, like links, headings, etc. to program scope and 
turn them off.

Control-Shift-S will read them if you want.
Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one or 
two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about using 
Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the same thing 
occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also occurred regardless 
of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  Conversely, it doesn't happen 
when I use Becky for email.  I guess I am a bit frustrated with email 
programs because each seems to have its own issues.  For example, with 
Becky I haven't figured out a way to sort messages from several lists 
into folders.  Also, I find no means of changing the order of columns 
with Becky. That's the conclusion of today's rant.  Remember, it is 
worth exactly what you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, I'm aware of the differences. But thanks for the info.

On 8/31/2017 7:11 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Brice,
Apps and sets are two different things. Yes, most apps include set 
files. But the main functionality is in the app.
Window-Eyes comes with the 22 set files you saw in the Factory Settings 
dialog. You can reinstall sets from there. And you can disable or 
uninstall apps within the App Manager. There are several apps that are 
installed by default that I uninstall whenever I do a fresh install. And 
yes, they include more set files than the standard ones that are installed.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2017 9:18 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
I've been experiencing some set file problems. I think I'll reinstall 
wineyes. Thanks



On 8/31/2017 5:42 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I guess that depends on how many apps you have installed.  I went to 
my explore profiles under the file menu in the control panel and did 
a search for .set and found 72.


Carol


On 8/31/2017 8:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

How many factory set files are there by default? I only have 22.

On 8/31/2017 4:00 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

The set file for Notepad can be found by doing the following:

Open Notepad
open WE control panel with control backslash
press control-o
If the set is available, Notepad should have opened it 
automatically. If that is not what you hear after pressing 
control-o, do the following:

type in notepad.set and press enter.
For the next step, you need to have advanced settings enabled.
If you do not see associations, press alt, h, v
Press a for associations and press right arrow
tab twice.  It should say current.  If not up arrow once
Tab once and arrow up or down through the options until you hear by 
class

Tab to save and associate
press f6 and then left arrow twice to close associations node and 
the set file will now be associated.
If you had to press alt,h,v to do this, press it again and you will 
be returned to standard settings (maintaining your association.)



I did not see a set file for Notepad ++, but much of it should be 
fairly similar to Notepad.




On 8/30/2017 6:29 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea 
of how to determine whether a set file exists for an  application 
I am running.




If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set 
file for the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell 
me how to install the set file too.




I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus 
application.  I use these two applications for different purposes, 
so would like a set file for each. Incidentally, I am running W E 
9.5.4.




Thanks.



Don Roberts

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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Thanks for confirming the amount of factory set files.

On 8/31/2017 6:55 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

    Under factory settings, you should have 22 apps.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Looking for a couple of set files

I guess that depends on how many apps you have installed.  I went to my
explore profiles under the file menu in the control panel and did a
search for .set and found 72.

Carol


On 8/31/2017 8:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

How many factory set files are there by default? I only have 22.

On 8/31/2017 4:00 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

The set file for Notepad can be found by doing the following:

Open Notepad
open WE control panel with control backslash
press control-o
If the set is available, Notepad should have opened it automatically. 
If that is not what you hear after pressing control-o, do the following:

type in notepad.set and press enter.
For the next step, you need to have advanced settings enabled.
If you do not see associations, press alt, h, v
Press a for associations and press right arrow
tab twice.  It should say current.  If not up arrow once
Tab once and arrow up or down through the options until you hear by 
class

Tab to save and associate
press f6 and then left arrow twice to close associations node and the 
set file will now be associated.
If you had to press alt,h,v to do this, press it again and you will 
be returned to standard settings (maintaining your association.)



I did not see a set file for Notepad ++, but much of it should be 
fairly similar to Notepad.




On 8/30/2017 6:29 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea of 
how to determine whether a set file exists for an  application I am 
running.




If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set file 
for the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell me how 
to install the set file too.




I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus 
application. I use these two applications for different purposes, so 
would like a set file for each. Incidentally, I am running W E 9.5.4.




Thanks.



Don Roberts

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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How many factory set files are there by default? I only have 22.

On 8/31/2017 4:00 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

The set file for Notepad can be found by doing the following:

Open Notepad
open WE control panel with control backslash
press control-o
If the set is available, Notepad should have opened it automatically. If 
that is not what you hear after pressing control-o, do the following:

type in notepad.set and press enter.
For the next step, you need to have advanced settings enabled.
If you do not see associations, press alt, h, v
Press a for associations and press right arrow
tab twice.  It should say current.  If not up arrow once
Tab once and arrow up or down through the options until you hear by class
Tab to save and associate
press f6 and then left arrow twice to close associations node and the 
set file will now be associated.
If you had to press alt,h,v to do this, press it again and you will be 
returned to standard settings (maintaining your association.)



I did not see a set file for Notepad ++, but much of it should be fairly 
similar to Notepad.




On 8/30/2017 6:29 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea of 
how to determine whether a set file exists for an  application I am 
running.




If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set file 
for the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell me how to 
install the set file too.




I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus 
application.  I use these two applications for different purposes, so 
would like a set file for each. Incidentally, I am running W E 9.5.4.




Thanks.



Don Roberts

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Re: internet explore

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I just reset it or whatever it was suggested to do. I didn't mind losing 
the favorites as I could import them from Firefox. Thanks.


On 8/29/2017 9:05 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

have you tried running i e without add ons?
have you tried deleteing your browseing history cache?
alot of times this will fix error problems.
this may delete saved passwords though.
if i e is like firefox you might be able to set it back to the factory 
defaults but this would delete your favorites unless you make a backup 
of the favorites folder.

On 8/24/17, brice Mijares via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Is there some way to repair internet explore? I normally use FX but was
following a audio tutorial which was using internet explore but I kept
getting an error message stating that IE had a problem  an had to shut
down, or something to that affect. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.
If any question are need, I'll be away till later in the day.
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Re: Jaws browse mode

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Disregard, this was incorrect info.

On 8/29/2017 7:27 AM, brice Mijares wrote:
Try hitting insert W, it will list all key commands with in IE or 
firefox. As far as I know, it may list all key command within any 
program. And you are correct, K states place markers.


On 8/29/2017 7:18 AM, David via Talk wrote:

OK, I start to wonder a bit here.


When I press the K key, it says

      "No Placemarkers",

and it does NOT take me to any new link.


Whatever is going on, I don't know, but that is what I get. Now, if I
turn on the Key-help, by pressing Insert-1, what do I hear, when hitting
the K?

      "Go to next Placemarker".

And if I hit Shift-K?

      "Go to previous Placemarker".


Wonder if I have a different keyboard layout activated, or what else
could be going on.


OK, I did update my Jaws last night, and it is something like version
18.04. Don't know if they have some changes lately in the layouts. But
apparently people are having different keystrokes acting up.


Any further ideas, please?

David

On 8/29/2017 4:03 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi David:

First of all, the default key combination which takes you in and out
of Browse mode is
insert-z.  Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links.  Insert-f5 takes
you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
from one link to another.



On 8/29/17, David via Talk  wrote:

OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.


One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
some hotkey here?


Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?


Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
what is the equivalent in Jaws?


Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they 
will

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Re: Jaws browse mode

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Try hitting insert W, it will list all key commands with in IE or 
firefox. As far as I know, it may list all key command within any 
program. And you are correct, K states place markers.


On 8/29/2017 7:18 AM, David via Talk wrote:

OK, I start to wonder a bit here.


When I press the K key, it says

      "No Placemarkers",

and it does NOT take me to any new link.


Whatever is going on, I don't know, but that is what I get. Now, if I
turn on the Key-help, by pressing Insert-1, what do I hear, when hitting
the K?

      "Go to next Placemarker".

And if I hit Shift-K?

      "Go to previous Placemarker".


Wonder if I have a different keyboard layout activated, or what else
could be going on.


OK, I did update my Jaws last night, and it is something like version
18.04. Don't know if they have some changes lately in the layouts. But
apparently people are having different keystrokes acting up.


Any further ideas, please?

David

On 8/29/2017 4:03 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi David:

First of all, the default key combination which takes you in and out
of Browse mode is
insert-z.  Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links.  Insert-f5 takes
you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
from one link to another.



On 8/29/17, David via Talk  wrote:

OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.


One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
some hotkey here?


Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?


Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
what is the equivalent in Jaws?


Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they will
go into individual threads.


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internet explore

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Is there some way to repair internet explore? I normally use FX but was 
following a audio tutorial which was using internet explore but I kept 
getting an error message stating that IE had a problem  an had to shut 
down, or something to that affect. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks. 
If any question are need, I'll be away till later in the day.

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Re: nfl game pass

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How much for the app and the cost to streem games?

On 8/11/2017 7:13 AM, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:

To all football fan ,
If you have a smart phone yu can download "pro radio "  App and lessen to
your teaqm with local announcer, or any team you want to.
Have fun

Moe.  I


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:48 AM
To: brice Mijares <bricemija...@att.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: nfl game pass

Yep, so true.  I don't listen to anything but baseball, but it is the same.
baseball on tv is worthless, they don't tell you a thing any more like they
use to, they just b s about other stuff.  Fortunately I get gameday audio on
m l b.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:


I wouldn't pay that either. I've been a sports fan all my life and
sports on TV has gotten terrible! The broadcasters can hardly be heard
do to allowing croud noise into the booth and other loud sound
affects. Plus the broadcasters BS about other subjects other than the

sport they are calling.

So, I'm stuck listening to whatever I can find on the A M dial.
On 8/10/2017 8:04 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

  Hi Alan:

  I just want to comment that I have been blind all my life, so I am
used to references such as "look at that".  I just don't pay
attention  and I am not the least bit offended.  When they say "look
at that. He  dropped the ball."  I know that he dropped the ball and
that's all I  need to know.  But of course, that's only my point of
view and I guess  I can understand why many people do not share that

point of view.

  Kevin Huber


  On 8/10/17, Alan Paganelli via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

  The NFL season is about to start. The NFL wants you to shell out
$99.99  for  the 2017 season.  watching the games on television is
worthless to me  because they say things such as look at that! He
dropped the ball!
  Fumble!
  where has if you listen to the radio, you get a full audio

description.

  The
  NFL just can't get that through their effing heads. I don't need
coaches  Phil or any of that  crap.  I have been complaining for
several seasons  that  it is not fair that I have to pay 100 bucks
the audio pass only cost 40  colors are year until the and FL got
really. greedy. I'm just not going  to  pay them $100 this year



  Alan

  Sent from my iPhone 5s


  On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:39 AM, tony via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  wrote:

  I also had no success in listening to home team audio radio
broadcast,

  tried again last night with tex/car no sound,

  have you had any success yet?



  On 8/4/2017 14:43, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
  Does anyone know how  to access nfl game pass for 2017? I
logged in  last  night and could find the audio for the game
between dallas and  Arizona.
  If anybody has  the number to nfl game pass digital care I need

it.

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Re: nfl game pass

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Until I lost my sight some 32 years ago, I'd turn the TV volume all the 
way down and listen to the game on the radio. Radio info even back then 
was so much  more intuitive.  You can't do that now a Days because of 
programming delay.

On 8/10/2017 10:50 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I think you all are missing the point, it isn't the language, it is the 
act they don't describe anything.  Same is true on baseball on tv, they 
don't really tell you what is happening.  tv might say strike three, 
maybe.  The radio would say he swung at ball 4 the pitch was way 
outside.  It isn't the language, it is what they don't say.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I'm totally used to it.  I wouldn't want somebody to talk to me any 
other way, because it's normal speech.  There have only been a couple 
of times when I have gotten my back up, because somehow, I thought the 
person who said it to me was actually really expecting me to see it.  
I don't know how to explain it; it's something that you have to be 
there for the specific experience.  Other than that, saying stuff like 
that is just normal.  And who wants to be considered abnormal?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:04 AM
To: Alan Paganelli ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: nfl game pass

Hi Alan:

I just want to comment that I have been blind all my life, so I am
used to references such as "look at that".  I just don't pay attention
and I am not the least bit offended.  When they say "look at that. He
dropped the ball."  I know that he dropped the ball and that's all I
need to know.  But of course, that's only my point of view and I guess
I can understand why many people do not share that point of view.
Kevin Huber


On 8/10/17, Alan Paganelli via Talk  wrote:

 The NFL season is about to start. The NFL wants you to shell out $99.99
 for
 the 2017 season.  watching the games on television is worthless to me
 because they say things such as look at that! He dropped the ball! 
Fumble!

 where has if you listen to the radio, you get a full audio description.
 The
 NFL just can't get that through their effing heads. I don't need 
coaches

 Phil or any of that  crap.  I have been complaining for several seasons
 that
 it is not fair that I have to pay 100 bucks the audio pass only cost 40
 colors are year until the and FL got really. greedy. I'm just not 
going to

 pay them $100 this year



 Alan

 Sent from my iPhone 5s

>  On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:39 AM, tony via Talk 


>  wrote:
> >  I also had no success in listening to home team audio radio 
broadcast,

> >  tried again last night with tex/car no sound,
> >  have you had any success yet?
> > > >  On 8/4/2017 14:43, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> >  Does anyone know how  to access nfl game pass for 2017? I logged 
in > >  last
> >  night and could find the audio for the game between dallas and > 
>  Arizona.

> >  If anybody has  the number to nfl game pass digital care I need it.
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I wouldn't pay that either. I've been a sports fan all my life and 
sports on TV has gotten terrible! The broadcasters can hardly be heard 
do to allowing croud noise into the booth and other loud sound affects. 
Plus the broadcasters BS about other subjects other than the sport they 
are calling. So, I'm stuck listening to whatever I can find on the A M dial.

On 8/10/2017 8:04 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Alan:

I just want to comment that I have been blind all my life, so I am
used to references such as "look at that".  I just don't pay attention
and I am not the least bit offended.  When they say "look at that. He
dropped the ball."  I know that he dropped the ball and that's all I
need to know.  But of course, that's only my point of view and I guess
I can understand why many people do not share that point of view.
Kevin Huber


On 8/10/17, Alan Paganelli via Talk  wrote:

The NFL season is about to start. The NFL wants you to shell out $99.99 for
the 2017 season.  watching the games on television is worthless to me
because they say things such as look at that! He dropped the ball! Fumble!
where has if you listen to the radio, you get a full audio description. The
NFL just can't get that through their effing heads. I don't need coaches
Phil or any of that  crap.  I have been complaining for several seasons that
it is not fair that I have to pay 100 bucks the audio pass only cost 40
colors are year until the and FL got really. greedy. I'm just not going to
pay them $100 this year



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:39 AM, tony via Talk 
wrote:

I also had no success in listening to home team audio radio broadcast,

tried again last night with tex/car no sound,

have you had any success yet?



On 8/4/2017 14:43, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how  to access nfl game pass for 2017? I logged in last
night and could find the audio for the game between dallas and Arizona.
If anybody has  the number to nfl game pass digital care I need it.
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Re: new window eyes group created

[brice Mijares via Talk]

What is the purpose of this new list?

On 7/23/2017 9:45 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Try this.  Send an email to this address.
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io.

-Original Message-
From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:12 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

 Hi Dennis,

I am having a huge problem signing up to the new group. I add my email
address and then press enter on verify email. I wait and wait and wait and
wait. For days and I don't get any verification email. I wonder if more
people are getting the same problem?

Is there any way you can help with this problem please?

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: new window eyes group created

Hi, I have created a group to discuss windoweyes you can also ask jaws
questions if you want.  the group info is below.

https://groups.io/g/WindowEyesUsers



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Re: t bird help.

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Shift tab one time puts me in the list view of the inbox. Escape closes 
messages once opened. I once looked at the add ons in TB and saw one 
add on for the escape key closing messages. HTH.


On 7/19/2017 6:39 AM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
Alt-f4 closes it.  Mine doesn't open in the in-box but just tab 3 times 
and you're there.



Natalie


On 7/18/2017 8:52 PM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:

Hi guys i have just installed t bird on my laptop.

So far its working good.

Can any body give me some tips on using it.

Such as is their a way to have t bird open in the in box like WLM.

Plus wen i open a email the only way i can close it is with control w 
is their another way.


Cheers Michael.

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jaws

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My laptop was setting idol and I heard it prompting me if I wanted to 
install jaws, I tab to the okay button and the download and installation 
began. 5 minutes later, I was prompted to reboot and Jaws 18.06 was on 
my desktop. I had to go into properties to re-inter a short cut key to 
get Jaws working again.

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Re: trying to update Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Chris, Are you saying that if the choice under help to check kfor 
updates is listed, I have the correct version? Like I stated earlier, 
twice I started the update proceedure and both times it stayed at zero 
percent. Thanks.

On 7/13/2017 8:24 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:
Yes as that is one feature that was disabled if you have the tandem 
version.




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 Original Message 
From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jul 13, 2017 11:20 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: trying to update Jaws

Are you saying that if I have the choice in help to check for updates,
that I do indeed have the tandem version?

On 7/13/2017 8:12 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
I had to remove the non tandom version of jaws and install the tandom
version.  All is working as it should.  Inow have the option to check
for updates.

-Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:04 AM
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws

Maybe your not waiting enough.
My update installed perfectly yesterday.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: trying to update Jaws

Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through
Help,
check for updates. It reported an update and I went through the
procedure of
updating, it reported starting download and stayed at zero percent.
Tried it
twice and gave up. Never had this problem with wineyes in 20 years. I'll
just wait until fall's major update. Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I
use
wineyes, then NVDA before using Jaws!
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Re: trying to update Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Are you saying that if I have the choice in help to check for updates, 
that I do indeed have the tandem version?


On 7/13/2017 8:12 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
I had to remove the non tandom version of jaws and install the tandom 
version.  All is working as it should.  Inow have the option to check 
for updates.


-Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:04 AM
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws

Maybe your not waiting enough.
My update installed perfectly yesterday.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: trying to update Jaws

Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through Help,
check for updates. It reported an update and I went through the 
procedure of
updating, it reported starting download and stayed at zero percent. 
Tried it

twice and gave up. Never had this problem with wineyes in 20 years. I'll
just wait until fall's major update. Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I use
wineyes, then NVDA before using Jaws!
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trying to update Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through 
Help, check for updates. It reported an update and I went through the 
procedure of updating, it reported starting download and stayed at zero 
percent. Tried it twice and gave up. Never had this problem with wineyes 
in 20 years. I'll just wait until fall's major update. Anyhow, Jaws is 
my last choice, I use wineyes, then NVDA before using Jaws!

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jaws latest release

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Is the latest release  free?
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Re: jaws list

[brice Mijares via Talk]

When window eyes don't work, I go to NVDA, then Jaws.

On 7/11/2017 3:29 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I took it, but I'm not sure how much I will use it.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
Inc. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:23 PM
To: 'Charles Adkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jaws list

Window-Eyes rocked my boat, fed me, took me to outerspace and back, all 
with

smiles!  Now, she's gone leaving the wind behind!  I elect not to take the
so-called migration gift; may be I'll change my mind if it sends me to
Vladivostok!

But, no, it won't!  I am POLISHING my Android skills and I just can't wait
to KICK WINDOWS and its ASSOCIATED SCREEN READERS down the drain for good!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Jaws migration along with the msa

[brice Mijares via Talk]

When I migrated I bought two upgrades for $120.
Here is the info.
JAWS Home SMA
$120.00
SubTotal:
$120.00
Tax:
$9.45
Shipping:
$0.00
Order Total:
$129.45
If you have any questions regarding this order please contact Customer 
Service at the number below.



VFO Customer Service


On 7/6/2017 3:08 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
I never heard of getting a discount for MSA. There was something about 
that if a person had a legit copy of WE and it was NOT up to date that 
there might be some discount to bring it up to date when switching over 
to Jaws.


-Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws migration along with the msa

Hi all,



I have received my Jaws key, that isn't the problem. However, I thought we
were supposed to get a discount for a msa. When I asked about that
yesterday, even though the deal is still in effect, the woman I spoke with
said there is no deas for the msa. Am I incorrect about a less expensive 
msa

for WE users? If there is supposed to be a discount, is there someone in
particular with whom I should speak? Thanks for your help.



Paulette

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Re: error beep when w/e starts

[brice Mijares via Talk]

That happens to me if I unload window eyes and load Jaws or NVDA. But it 
don't happen all the time.


On 6/23/2017 2:28 AM, mcleod stinnett via Talk wrote:

this has never happened before. when I boot up the computer I get the
two short beeps just before w/e goes to the desktop. this usually
means an error. using win 7 64 bit pro with eloquence synthesizer.
once the desktop opens w/e does fine, may need to re-install? using
latest w/e, thanks
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Re: Reciprocal Idea

[brice Mijares via Talk]

You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!


On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and the 
keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older and it's harder 
to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems to take more commands in 
JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing. I have installed JAWS and am trying 
it gradually to get use to it, but will still use WE as long as it works.
   - Original Message -
   From: Dennis Long via Talk
   To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
   Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea


   Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new keyboard
   commands when you bought window eyes.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
   On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
   To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Neville via Talk
   Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
   To: Matthew Chao via Talk
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   Hi,
   Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.

   Neville


   On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
   > Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard layout for
   > JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
   > Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
   > wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
   > think?--Matthew Chao
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Re: JAWS discussion list

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I hope so, this way everybody is basically at the same level and more 
willing to help.


On 6/3/2017 9:39 AM, JOHN RIEHL via Talk wrote:

Hi. After being away from the list for a while I've noticed there are a lot
of JAWS questions, which is perfectly understandable. Is this list morphing
into a JAWS discussion list, or is there an existing one? If someone knows
of an already-existing JAWS list, could you send it along? I have some JAWS
questions. Thanks!

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training with daisy book

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How do you go about listening to a daisy book as you follow along. From 
what I read, you can listen and follow along in an exercise at the same 
time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Where do you go to find these podcast by Jonathan Mozen? Thanks.

On 5/30/2017 8:23 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Steve:

I didn't know about the touch cursor until a few days ago when I
listened to Jonathan Mozen's podcast where somebody described it.  Up
until then, I would have avoided it, since I had assumed that it was
only for computers with touch screens.
I think that that might have been what they intended it to be in the
beginning, but it morphed into something more useful for all JAWS
users

Kevin Huber.

On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:

Hi,

Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with
the
keyboard.  But yes, it is great.

All the best

Steve
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its
usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin

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Re: [Blindest] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	I like using NVDA in win amp. When your playing music and hit B to play 
the next song, you don't hear the letter B blast through your speaker. 
So far I find that Jaws sucks in Thunderbird! Window eyes isn't much 
better as it usually repeats lines already read. But at least it lets 
you know where in the message count your at. NVDA works okay in TB.

On 5/29/2017 6:59 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

All I can say to that is Long live NVDA.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:45 AM
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Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
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Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Dear all,
‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the blindness 
community in recent times. Find out the answer to this inquiry with all the 
cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you may desire as I explore all 
the possibilities and probabilities in my new blog post.
‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form – will the 
VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen reader, after 
phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes screen reader, venture out 
(caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and its free and open source NVDA screen 
reader, and thereby establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen 
readers go?’
Post URL:
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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

David, when you save  the file using HJ pad, does it go into the doc folder?

On 5/28/2017 8:18 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi,
HJ Pad is a lot like Wordpad, but it has classical menus instead of ribbons.
The spell checker by just pressing F7 works very well, just like in MS word 
earlier versions.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Easy and convenient.

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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:53 PM
To: 'brice Mijares'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws learning tutorial

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, a simple editer is all it is. Like I said, all I was trying to  do 
was follow along with the learning material and  the instruction given 
to open hjpad didn't work.

On 5/28/2017 6:52 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Brice, HJ Pad, if memory serves, is more or less like the Notepad or Wordpad
you already have in Windows.  Not so sure you need it, but, hey, go play
with it and enjoy the new treat!

Too many silly bells and whistles in Jaws if I dare say so!  Example:
Research It:  Silly; you can do the exact same thing using Google's search
engine; so, why the duplicity?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Carol, I tried that and the search results only listed the MP3 with the 
learning material, plus the web results. Using windows ten.


On 5/28/2017 6:58 PM, Carol and Roger wrote:
The easiest way, for me, using Windows 7, is press the Windows Key) and 
type hjPad in the search box.  Down arrow once and you should hear run 
hjPad.  If you do not, up arrow once and see if it shows up.  Press 
enter and the program will open.


Carol




On 5/28/2017 8:25 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
I was listening to one of the jaws learning moduals in MP3 on my 
digital player trying to follow along. Well it came to this hj pad 
that's suppose to be included in Jaws according to the MP3 I'm 
listening to. Has any one came across this HJ pad? I could not locate 
it. Thanks for any info.

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Jaws learning tutorial

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I was listening to one of the jaws learning moduals in MP3 on my digital 
player trying to follow along. Well it came to this hj pad that's 
suppose to be included in Jaws according to the MP3 I'm listening to. 
Has any one came across this HJ pad? I could not locate it. Thanks for 
any info.

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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, you'll hear it when he unloads and reloads Jaws.

On 5/26/2017 5:21 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I'll have to go back and listen to Raul's tute, possibly number 2, again 
because I think there is a sound heard when he closed Jaws.

Neville.

On 27/05/2017 3:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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 Original Message 
From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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Re: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I forgot to mention, using Jaws.

On 5/26/2017 8:58 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

If using window eyes, yes on first question, and for attachments, alt M 
and arrow down to attachments. So far using Jaws with limited use, it 
will tell you read or unread, but I can't get it to tell me what message 
 Good Luck.number it is. For instance, one of 40.

On 5/26/2017 6:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, I had to reset it.

On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws? 
Using windows ten.

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Re: Jaws and copy text question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, standard windows methods.

On 5/25/2017 11:24 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text 
and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when 
I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text 
using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select?
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SMA''s

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I purchased the  SMA for Jaws. I was sent a message stating that I'd use 
a credit card ETC. But, I received nothing further. Were we suppose to 
get any further info? Also, I barely received my Authorization code 
after calling them today, Gwmicro migration had my correct email 
address, but VFO had an old email address from when I purchased open 
book.  If anyone can answer my question on the SMA I'd appreciate it. 
Thanks.

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they're quick to take your money

[brice Mijares via Talk]

On Monday I made the migration to Jaws. Tuesday I received a call from 
VFO and was told I'd be sent my license within the next few days. I was 
also asked if I wanted to purchase a MSA for 120 dollars which I 
declined at the monet as I wasn't around my Brailles credit info, and 
told him I'd get back to him on the SMA. Yesterday, I called and 
purchased the SMA. I also mentioned I still hadn't received my license 
info and was told they would sent it right away. Well today I received 
my receipt and still no license for the product.

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Re: files not found/Re: moving to the next page

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Try using the context menu within your email client to download the 2 
PDF files. That's how I got them.


On 5/18/2017 8:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

i get 404 errors for all of your links

-Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:59 PM
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: moving to the next page

Hi all,



Below my name are a couple of links I got from the person I spoke with when
I got Jaws. I think they will come in quite handy.



Paulette







JAWS Keystrokes
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/JAWS/Keystrokes. 


pdf>



JAWS Quick Start Guide
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/JAWS/JAWS-Quick- 


Start-Guide.pdf>















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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:31 PM
To: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Subject: Re: moving to the next page



Did you try control page down? Also, please send me a link to that PDF.

thank you.



On 5/18/2017 3:55 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:


Hi all,















Someone from JAWS sent me a link to something called, JAWS Quick Start


Guide, in pdf format. I opened it and have the title page. Now how do 
I go


to the next page, using Window Eyes? I have version 9.4, I believe. 
Thanks



for your help.















Paulette







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Re: moving to the next page

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Did you try control page down? Also, please send me a link to that PDF. 
thank you.


On 5/18/2017 3:55 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

  


Someone from JAWS sent me a link to something called, JAWS Quick Start
Guide, in pdf format. I opened it and have the title page. Now how do I go
to the next page, using Window Eyes? I have version 9.4, I believe. Thanks
for your help.

  


Paulette

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Re: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How do I go about downloading these MP3 files? meaning the URL. Thank you.

On 5/17/2017 10:42 AM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
Hi, this is normal because of the file playing through the web browser. 
My guess is that if you download the file to your computer and play it 
with Media Player or some other program, the behavior will be different. 
So, instead of pressing Enter on the file, press Shift-F10 or the 
Applications key to bring up the context menu and choose save.



Hopefully that will help.


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On 5/17/2017 12:11 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hello list and Raul,

I'm loving the tutorials, but when I listen to them I keep hearing a 
bunch of numbers - I think it is telling me how far along in the mp3 I 
am.


I either have to keep hitting cntrl every few seconds or change focus 
to the desktop.


Any setting I can change so I don't keep hearing this annoying string 
of numbers while listening?  It isn't a terribly big deal now, but it 
may be as I expand my horizons to listen to other things on the internet.

thanks for any help.
Brenda
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