RE: Have No View

[tony c via Talk]

It’s just a matter of plugging in a plug to a hdmi slot, kinda like plugging in 
;you phone charger..

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From: krinke1968--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Have No View

Thank you!  Unfortunately, neither of us is tech saavy!

-Original Message- 
From: net bat2 via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: Have No View

just don't force it in. the cable is polorized and will only go in the
connecter in one direction.

-Original Message- 
From: krinke1968--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 2:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Have No View

Thank you, everyone.

The video cable is disconnected!  Hoppefully, we will be able to reconnect
that. (smile)


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: Have No View

Pat,

I know it is frustrating, but since this is happening to you and you are
right there, there are things you already know that we don't know so it
isn't easy to know what to tell you.  Can we assume, for example, that your
computer is booting up and that speech is starting?  Did the monitor work
all right at some point in Windows 10?  I assume it must have worked for the
person who helped you be certain that the upgrade completed.  Is this a
desktop computer so that there is only one display connected, that being
your monitor?  Is there some kind of light on the monitor indicating for
certain that it is receiving power and is turned on?  Of course, checking
the cable as has already been suggested makes good sense.  If all of these
assumptions are true, then it is probably worth rebooting a few times with
the monitor on to make sure it is correctly detected.  Possibly some part of
the upgrade didn't complete regarding the detection of your monitor.  Is
there any chance that you have a s
eparate video output for a projector and that your monitor is connected to
that output?  I am running Windows 10 and I have an LCD monitor that I
routinely leave off but turn on when needed and that is working for me, so
there isn't anything about Windows 10 that would prevent that from happening
unless it is related to your specific setup.  I am sorry if this seems vague
or unresponsive, but we could be assuming things that are not the case in
our answers.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of krinke1968--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Have No View

Thank you, everyone!

I must not have explained myself very well.  In the past when the monitor
was turned on, a sighted person would see what was on the screen.  Now that
does not happen.  Now can anyone help?
p

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Have No View

   u can go into setting themes, personalization, related
settings, and there is an option to placeicons like this computer,
recycle, control panel, user folder and more there. for your apps you
need to create them if they don't automatically put one on the desktop when
you install the app.
- Original Message - 
From: "net bat2 via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "net bat2" 
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Have No View


> more info please.
> if no other programs have been installed there would only be one icon, the
> recycle bin.
> windows 10 puts most programs in the start menu in the apps list.
> including window eyes. if you want desktop icons you have to create them
> manually.
> i think in the sys tray there is the option to hide  or unhide the desktop
> icons.
> i think w e will still work with the desktop hidden.
> if you can get to windows update i would check there to see if maybe there
> is a video driver update that need to be installed.
> it could be several things.
> if you move the mouse if you have one does the screen wake up? if so the
> screen saver may be activating
> it could be going into sleep mode. but in this mode it usually turns
> speech off.
> these settings would be in the control panel in power settings.
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: krinke1968--- via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:46 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Have No View
>
> A neighbor installed Windows 10 on my machine.  However, my husband sees
> nothing when the monitor is on.  Does anyo0ne kn ow how to fix this??  The
> neighbor won'[t respond to me.  I have WE 9.5.4.
>
> Thank you, and
> Happy Easter
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this 

RE: Have No View

[tony c via Talk]

What exactly is on the screen? If it’s just blank either in display settings 
the display is turned off or your video cable is disconnected or there’s a 
problem with your display adapter, etc.

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From: krinke1968--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:09 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Have No View

Thank you, everyone!

I must not have explained myself very well.  In the past when the monitor 
was turned on, a sighted person would see what was on the screen.  Now that 
does not happen.  Now can anyone help?
p

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Have No View

   u can go into setting themes, personalization, related
settings, and there is an option to placeicons like this computer,
recycle, control panel, user folder and more there. for your apps you
need to create them if they don't automatically put one on the desktop when
you install the app.
- Original Message - 
From: "net bat2 via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "net bat2" 
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Have No View


> more info please.
> if no other programs have been installed there would only be one icon, the 
> recycle bin.
> windows 10 puts most programs in the start menu in the apps list. 
> including window eyes. if you want desktop icons you have to create them 
> manually.
> i think in the sys tray there is the option to hide  or unhide the desktop 
> icons.
> i think w e will still work with the desktop hidden.
> if you can get to windows update i would check there to see if maybe there 
> is a video driver update that need to be installed.
> it could be several things.
> if you move the mouse if you have one does the screen wake up? if so the 
> screen saver may be activating
> it could be going into sleep mode. but in this mode it usually turns 
> speech off.
> these settings would be in the control panel in power settings.
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: krinke1968--- via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:46 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: krinke1...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Have No View
>
> A neighbor installed Windows 10 on my machine.  However, my husband sees
> nothing when the monitor is on.  Does anyo0ne kn ow how to fix this??  The
> neighbor won'[t respond to me.  I have WE 9.5.4.
>
> Thank you, and
> Happy Easter
>
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RE: Some browser keys not working

[tony c via Talk]

The only reason Jaws over took Window eyes is because it was pushes by all the 
rehabs across the country, and a lot of people were either not offered WE and 
an option or were refused it. Too much politics involved there with FS and the 
NFB 

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From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 9:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

I installed the free jaws that they gave us window eyes users, and also the 
tutorial.  I set it up the way I wanted it, making it work as best as I 
could.  I didn't use it all the time.  I used it when I needed it to do 
something window eyes couldn't.  I hadn't used it for a few months.  I 
brought it up, and it came up in its original mode it was installed with.  I 
tried to set it up again, and it wouldn't let me do it.  So, I never used it 
again.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 1:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: Some browser keys not working

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly 
as WE did. And, FS sucks.

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From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a 
> windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just 
> about finish of windoweyes.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: Mike via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working
>
> Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
> are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
> think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
> common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
> miracle, you might say.
>
>
> I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
> sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
> separately from the version presently on your system.
>
>
> Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
> it did .
>
> On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Larry
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
>> Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>> On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
>>> might want  to just give this a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
>>> this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
>>> sure how often.
>>>
>>>
>>> What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
>>> offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
>>> 30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
>>> find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
>>> But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
>>> came alive.
>>>
>>>
>>> A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
>>> that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
>>> have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
>>> for this working as well as it did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 

RE: Some browser keys not working

[tony c via Talk]

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly as 
WE did. And, FS sucks.

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From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze 
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to 
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was 
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware 
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader 
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still 
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a 
> windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just 
> about finish of windoweyes.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: Mike via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working
>
> Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
> are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
> think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
> common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
> miracle, you might say.
>
>
> I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
> sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
> separately from the version presently on your system.
>
>
> Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
> it did .
>
> On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Larry
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
>> Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>> On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
>>> might want  to just give this a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
>>> this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
>>> sure how often.
>>>
>>>
>>> What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
>>> offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
>>> 30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
>>> find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
>>> But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
>>> came alive.
>>>
>>>
>>> A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
>>> that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
>>> have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
>>> for this working as well as it did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>
>>>> I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
>>>> machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.
>>>>
>>>>   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
>>>> to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
>>>> C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
>>>> find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
>>>> boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
>>>> result.  My other machines are both working normally.
>>>>
>>>>   Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>>>
>>>>    Mike
>>>>
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>>>> For m

RE: Some browser keys not working

[tony c via Talk]

I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a windows 
update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just about finish 
of windoweyes. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be, 
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I 
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the 
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little 
miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make 
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely 
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know 
it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
> Hello Larry
>
>
> Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.  
> Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer 
> version.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Mike.
>
> On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>>
>> You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you 
>> might want  to just give this a shot.
>>
>>
>> To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about 
>> this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely 
>> sure how often.
>>
>>
>> What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free 
>> offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June 
>> 30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could 
>> find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use. 
>> But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again 
>> came alive.
>>
>>
>> A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.
>>
>>
>> Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs 
>> that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might 
>> have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with 
>> for this working as well as it did.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new 
>>> machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.
>>>
>>>  I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys 
>>> to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links, 
>>> C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to 
>>> find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit 
>>> boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same 
>>> result.  My other machines are both working normally.
>>>
>>>  Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>>
>>>   Mike
>>>
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RE: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[tony c via Talk]

Hi, I am looking for an MP3 player. I used to use WinAmp and loved it. But I 
recently tried to download it and couldn’t get a copy to work.

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From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 6:32 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

Rod, I am not using Station Playlist, at least not to my knowledge 

, only Winamp. The only audio program of any significant that I am using 
regularly is Total Recorder, and that still handles .mp3 files both from 
without and within. Same with Groove Music and WMP. They each will bring 
up both file  formats from File Explorer without problems

.

While tabbing through the long file extensions list yesterday, I noticed 
that there were other extensions with the URL file handler designation 
as well. There was one with a numeric extension that I had never heard 
of as well as a couple of og* like extensions. But I found it curious 
that .ogg itself was nowhere to be foun in that listd.


I did also try playing an .ogg file from a list presented via Cortana, 
and also got the strange designation, and it, like .mp3 would not play

  through Explorer.


You can bet that there is nobody whom I would trust more than you 
concerning these issues. Please send me the folder and I will give it a 
perusal before I take the step toward restoration .


Thanks,


Larry


On 2/25/2020 4:46 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> I know that you are using Station Playlist, something about which I have no 
> experience, and so I am thinking it is influencing your situation.
> However, it may be simply that some component of the plugins folder has gone 
> missing or been corrupted.
> First things first, though, and so I must ask if you are certain that you are 
> using the output plugin which you have always used, that is, one which is 
> capable of playing mp3 files.
> I am certain that you know how to check the current output plugin, but just 
> to be sure that you have checked this first.
> Certainly reinstalling Winamp will put things back in order, but perhaps a 
> simpler solution would be to compare your plugin folder with mine and at 
> least know that you have all the necessary files in order to make the default 
> output plugins work properly.
> I can certainly zip up my folder and send it along if you want it.
> Performing surgery on running software can be a bit of a brain tease, but I 
> have learned a lot about how Winamp works to say that I have enough 
> experience to solve a lot of problems.
> Of course, I know my needs, and they are quite simple and specific.
> However, as you know, I have learned enough about Window-Eyes apps to solve 
> quite a few problems.
> I even wrote my own Winamp script, which is how I was able to diagnose the 
> little punctuation problem you were having with Jeff Bishop’s app a while 
> back.
> It is really a matter of how much time and effort you want to expend digging 
> into your problem, and there is really only so much someone else can do to 
> help you on your machine while they are only sitting in front of their 
> machine, not yours.
> Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Take care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. The 
>> weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed
>>   to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when 
>> running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, and 
>> there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in Windows. I 
>> have tried changing the setting both in Windows properties and default app  
>> settings in settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to change these settings 
>> in Winamp at all, there seems to be no way to actually select them. This 
>> situation is most unusual to say the least. This only started happening this 
>> morning, so I am really at a loss as to what might be going on.
>>
>> The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, and see 
>> if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.
>>
>> Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that winamp 
>> might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but nevertheless 
>> keep their settings, and I can certainly see that as a possibility. I can't 
>> decide if I should once again uninstall Winamp and then go  to the various 
>> folders that pertain to Winamp and delete all of them in order to make sure 
>> I really get a clean restart, but I dunno. If you have any suggestions, I'd 
>> be very happy to hear them.
>>
>> Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow.
>>
>> Wish me luck. I'm sure gonna miss Winamp if I can't solve this problem.
>>
>> I'm definitely gonna miss WE, but I'm coming close to just having to let it 
>> go. It 

RE: Internet Browsers

[tony c via Talk]

Hi, I E is done, and I use chrome. I’ve been told that as soon as Microsoft get 
all the buggs out of Edge that one of the windows updated will do away with IE 
all together.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: net bat2 via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: Internet Browsers

have you tried the brave chrome browser? this one supposedly will also not 
track where you go.
-Original Message- 
From: Debra Hill via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:06 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill
Subject: Internet Browsers

Hi,



It seems in my latest Windows update that Internet Explorer no longer works.
I prefer the duckduckgo.com as my browser but it tells me I will need an app
from the app store.  My Window Eyes or either the browser does not have
header but I can only tab from link to link.  When I had tried to use the
Google Chrome is was a similar situation and difficult to maneuver around.



I have Windows 10 and Window Eyes 9.54.  Can any other browser be used so I
can search on the internet?  Is Narrator a better option?



Thanks for any help and advice as to what may be done.  Sorry if this is a
repeat of earlier questions but this is just now occurring with me.



Have a blessed day!



Deborah



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RE: One hell of a head scratcher

[tony c via Talk]

The WWe network works ok with Jaws. You have to use the jaws curson to find the 
play live/play from start buttons, but I’m able to access everything.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: One hell of a head scratcher

The WWE network isn't accessible anymore. I can't access any of the vault 
shows. That's why I canceled the subscription.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: One hell of a head scratcher

Yeah! Chrome works pretty well. I’ve started using it for all my banking and 
credit accounts, etc. You can’t even login to the WWE Network using IE anymore.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:07 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

Well, I kinda made a move toward Chrome this past Sunday, and got 
distracted by I don't remember what. If I want to keep reading my 
Bookshare books, guess that's what I'm gonna have to do.


I have tried the new Chromium Edge, and so far  I am amazed as to how 
well it still seems to work with WE. The major problem being is the 
DAISY issue.


As for Net Bat's suggestion to try opening a new account and see if 
things don't clear up, I have never done that before, so hope that 
process doesn't prove to be tricky. I have had enough computer drama to 
last me for at least a year over the past week.


If anyone can come up with anything else, or encourage changing 
accounts, guess that would be fine, just as long as it works .




On 2/18/2020 1:17 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I have noticed that with every windows update IE becomes less and less stable 
> and lest functional. I’ve started using Chrome a lot more trying to make the 
> switch before I’m forced to do it all at once. Lol 
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: net bat2 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:00 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: net bat2
> Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> what can i tell ya!
> are you useing i e or edge?
> if it is the original edge w e may not work with it. it might work with the
> just released chrome based edge browser.
> it is suppose to be a windows update so you may not have it yet.
> even so you may have to turn off a setting in edge.
> i don't remember what its called. something like u i  automation? its a edge
> setting. even the last jaws update did not support this setting until now and
> had to be disabled.
> ***
> do you have another account on your computer you can try?
> my problem with w e was the number pad keys would be remapped almost every 
> time
> i loaded window eyes.
> like the number 5 key was the left mouse button. then it was both the left and
> right mous button when i pressed it the next time i loaded w e.
> i changed the key to another key but it was remapped to the escape key. not 
> the
> key i changed it to.
> but this only happened with my administrator account. the standard account
> worked fine.
> i tried copying the default profile folder from one account to the other. same
> problem.
> this is with windows 10 19.9
> i deleted the administrator  account. it asked me if i wanted to keep my 
> files.
> i said yes. after i deleted it i used the same account user name and all of 
> the
> files and desktop icons were transfered to the new account.
> the only problem is it set w e,jaws and n v d a back to the factory defaults.
> but the number pad keys now work with w e the way its suppose to do.
> i did not reinstall w e.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:03 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
>
> I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.
>
> I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this
> list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.
>
>
> To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from
> the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no
> longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even
> set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when
> using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.
>
>
> I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP
> Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that
> is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as
> that mig

RE: One hell of a head scratcher

[tony c via Talk]

I don’t even have WE on my pc anymore.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: net bat2 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

if you have enough disk space you could create a second administrator account 
without effecting your existing accounts.
then you could see if the ie issues with w e clear up. if not you could delete 
that account and still be where you were before you created the new account.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:07 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

Well, I kinda made a move toward Chrome this past Sunday, and got
distracted by I don't remember what. If I want to keep reading my
Bookshare books, guess that's what I'm gonna have to do.


I have tried the new Chromium Edge, and so far  I am amazed as to how
well it still seems to work with WE. The major problem being is the
DAISY issue.


As for Net Bat's suggestion to try opening a new account and see if
things don't clear up, I have never done that before, so hope that
process doesn't prove to be tricky. I have had enough computer drama to
last me for at least a year over the past week.


If anyone can come up with anything else, or encourage changing
accounts, guess that would be fine, just as long as it works .




On 2/18/2020 1:17 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I have noticed that with every windows update IE becomes less and less stable 
> and lest functional. I’ve started using Chrome a lot more trying to make the 
> switch before I’m forced to do it all at once. Lol
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: net bat2 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:00 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: net bat2
> Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> what can i tell ya!
> are you useing i e or edge?
> if it is the original edge w e may not work with it. it might work with the
> just released chrome based edge browser.
> it is suppose to be a windows update so you may not have it yet.
> even so you may have to turn off a setting in edge.
> i don't remember what its called. something like u i  automation? its a edge
> setting. even the last jaws update did not support this setting until now and
> had to be disabled.
> ***
> do you have another account on your computer you can try?
> my problem with w e was the number pad keys would be remapped almost every 
> time
> i loaded window eyes.
> like the number 5 key was the left mouse button. then it was both the left 
> and
> right mous button when i pressed it the next time i loaded w e.
> i changed the key to another key but it was remapped to the escape key. not 
> the
> key i changed it to.
> but this only happened with my administrator account. the standard account
> worked fine.
> i tried copying the default profile folder from one account to the other. 
> same
> problem.
> this is with windows 10 19.9
> i deleted the administrator  account. it asked me if i wanted to keep my 
> files.
> i said yes. after i deleted it i used the same account user name and all of 
> the
> files and desktop icons were transfered to the new account.
> the only problem is it set w e,jaws and n v d a back to the factory defaults.
> but the number pad keys now work with w e the way its suppose to do.
> i did not reinstall w e.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:03 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
>
> I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.
>
> I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this
> list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.
>
>
> To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from
> the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no
> longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even
> set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when
> using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.
>
>
> I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP
> Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that
> is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as
> that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP users, and
> especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an AMD CPU, and
> the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with each other
> very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad people back today
> to see if they can't clarify just what might have happe

RE: One hell of a head scratcher

[tony c via Talk]

Yeah! Chrome works pretty well. I’ve started using it for all my banking and 
credit accounts, etc. You can’t even login to the WWE Network using IE anymore.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:07 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

Well, I kinda made a move toward Chrome this past Sunday, and got 
distracted by I don't remember what. If I want to keep reading my 
Bookshare books, guess that's what I'm gonna have to do.


I have tried the new Chromium Edge, and so far  I am amazed as to how 
well it still seems to work with WE. The major problem being is the 
DAISY issue.


As for Net Bat's suggestion to try opening a new account and see if 
things don't clear up, I have never done that before, so hope that 
process doesn't prove to be tricky. I have had enough computer drama to 
last me for at least a year over the past week.


If anyone can come up with anything else, or encourage changing 
accounts, guess that would be fine, just as long as it works .




On 2/18/2020 1:17 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I have noticed that with every windows update IE becomes less and less stable 
> and lest functional. I’ve started using Chrome a lot more trying to make the 
> switch before I’m forced to do it all at once. Lol 
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: net bat2 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:00 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: net bat2
> Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> what can i tell ya!
> are you useing i e or edge?
> if it is the original edge w e may not work with it. it might work with the
> just released chrome based edge browser.
> it is suppose to be a windows update so you may not have it yet.
> even so you may have to turn off a setting in edge.
> i don't remember what its called. something like u i  automation? its a edge
> setting. even the last jaws update did not support this setting until now and
> had to be disabled.
> ***
> do you have another account on your computer you can try?
> my problem with w e was the number pad keys would be remapped almost every 
> time
> i loaded window eyes.
> like the number 5 key was the left mouse button. then it was both the left and
> right mous button when i pressed it the next time i loaded w e.
> i changed the key to another key but it was remapped to the escape key. not 
> the
> key i changed it to.
> but this only happened with my administrator account. the standard account
> worked fine.
> i tried copying the default profile folder from one account to the other. same
> problem.
> this is with windows 10 19.9
> i deleted the administrator  account. it asked me if i wanted to keep my 
> files.
> i said yes. after i deleted it i used the same account user name and all of 
> the
> files and desktop icons were transfered to the new account.
> the only problem is it set w e,jaws and n v d a back to the factory defaults.
> but the number pad keys now work with w e the way its suppose to do.
> i did not reinstall w e.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:03 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: One hell of a head scratcher
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
>
> I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.
>
> I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this
> list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.
>
>
> To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from
> the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no
> longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even
> set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when
> using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.
>
>
> I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP
> Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that
> is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as
> that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP users, and
> especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an AMD CPU, and
> the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with each other
> very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad people back today
> to see if they can't clarify just what might have happened. As it is,
> The Geeks left me with an 1803 build, Where as before I was up to 1903,
> but at this point, I don't dare to update to 1909 fearing that the same
> issue might arise.
>
>
> Now back to WE. I have reinstalled, and fiddled  around with things in
> the control  panel, but to no avail.
>
>

RE: One hell of a head scratcher

[tony c via Talk]

I have noticed that with every windows update IE becomes less and less stable 
and lest functional. I’ve started using Chrome a lot more trying to make the 
switch before I’m forced to do it all at once. Lol   

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: net bat2 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

what can i tell ya!
are you useing i e or edge?
if it is the original edge w e may not work with it. it might work with the 
just released chrome based edge browser.
it is suppose to be a windows update so you may not have it yet.
even so you may have to turn off a setting in edge.
i don't remember what its called. something like u i  automation? its a edge 
setting. even the last jaws update did not support this setting until now and 
had to be disabled.
***
do you have another account on your computer you can try?
my problem with w e was the number pad keys would be remapped almost every time 
i loaded window eyes.
like the number 5 key was the left mouse button. then it was both the left and 
right mous button when i pressed it the next time i loaded w e.
i changed the key to another key but it was remapped to the escape key. not the 
key i changed it to.
but this only happened with my administrator account. the standard account 
worked fine.
i tried copying the default profile folder from one account to the other. same 
problem.
this is with windows 10 19.9
i deleted the administrator  account. it asked me if i wanted to keep my files. 
i said yes. after i deleted it i used the same account user name and all of the 
files and desktop icons were transfered to the new account.
the only problem is it set w e,jaws and n v d a back to the factory defaults.
but the number pad keys now work with w e the way its suppose to do.
i did not reinstall w e.


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: One hell of a head scratcher

Hello listers,



I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this
list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.


To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from
the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no
longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even
set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when
using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.


I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP
Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that
is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as
that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP users, and
especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an AMD CPU, and
the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with each other
very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad people back today
to see if they can't clarify just what might have happened. As it is,
The Geeks left me with an 1803 build, Where as before I was up to 1903,
but at this point, I don't dare to update to 1909 fearing that the same
issue might arise.


Now back to WE. I have reinstalled, and fiddled  around with things in
the control  panel, but to no avail.


The thing is, it works with both Chromium Edge (latest stable build) as
well as Thunderbird, as both will allow the use of WE in browse mode,
but not IE.


If someone could please give me any pointers, it would be greatly
appreciated.


Oh yes, as a post script, IE is still important to me because apparently
Edge is still not able to work with DAISY text books from Bookshare.


I have to say that this thing really kinda creeps me out. IE is
practically a dead zone.




OK, Enough of the drama, any help again would really be appreciated.


Larry


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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

I have a gmail account and it does work but there’s a lot of crap on the screen 
that I really don’t want to weed thru everytime I was to check my email. Lol. I 
don’t think you can download WLM anymore and it isn’t supported so there’s a 
security risk.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: email

I use WLM successfully with Jaws and Window-eyes both and it is free.

Lots of blind folks use gmail successfully, and it is also free.

-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll
say for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the
same issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that
will be faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are
doing a lot on an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like
Outlook, and even Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the
past.  It is possible that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better
with the right Window-Eyes "app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen
now.

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there
is no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the
interface is a little different but I believe it is still working with
Window-Eyes.  That might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You
can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of
the same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.
That program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very
carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows
> 10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll say 
for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen 
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the same 
issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that will be 
faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are doing a lot on 
an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like Outlook, and even 
Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the past.  It is possible 
that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better with the right Window-Eyes 
"app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen now.  

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there is 
no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the interface is 
a little different but I believe it is still working with Window-Eyes.  That 
might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of 
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of the 
same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.  That 
program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-----
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

Hi, The thing here that I see is that in order for us using adaptive 
technology, being able touse an email program means we have to pay for it, when 
the rest of the “sighted” world uses dozens of them for free. I strongly 
disagree with this logic. It’s certainly not equal access. I only need a email 
program, don’t give a rat’s rear end about a Microsoft office or any of that. 
Tony

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Subject: Re: email

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
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Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, it 
is useable but just barely. Lol Tony

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RE: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[tony c via Talk]

I don’t even have WE on my PC anymore. IDel had to replace my harddrive so I 
lost everything, and WE won’t install correctly on my win 10. I was finally 
able to get jaws to where it would recover after the PC was in sleep mode, 
without having to restart my pc.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

I wished you still could get dectalk for jaws?

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 1:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

I never liked eloquence.  I use dec-talk.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:10 PM
To: Evan Reese via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

That's my take on it too.


I am also a Winamp user, and figure that neither JAWS or NVDA will ever
be able to work with it as well.


I am also a subscriber to Bookshare, and find that IE will work with
their DAISY formatted books quite adaquitly.


The last, but not least thing I also have to consider is Eloquence,
still my favorite speech voice. IE though is really becoming a bit
problematic on more and more pages, so I am going to have to do
something soon I'm afraid.


I don't really want to go the Code Factory rout  due to their validation
scheme, and if I reluctantly move to JAWS, that will be one hassle I
wont have to face.


Oh the joys of blindness.


On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:
> I've already had to do it.
> My Window Eyes will absolutely not work with Skype anymore, and it won't 
> work with Firefox either.
> But I still use WE whenever I can, for instance I'm using it now to write 
> this. It works great with Windows Live Mail, and it works better with 
> Winamp, my main audio player, than JAWS probably ever will.
> I'll use it as long as I possibly can for whatever I can.
> Evan
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:05 PM
> To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809
>
> Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
> matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
> longer function so well.
>
>
> I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
> but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
> Man, is that gona hurt something awful.
>
> On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
>> Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809 
>> and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well 
>> with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error 
>> when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app 
>> choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening 
>> here?
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.
>>
>>
>> Don Roberts
>>
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Re: chrome help needed

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, oh, ok. I save stuff to different folders so I never set the global 
settings.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:10 AM
To: Tony C via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: chrome help needed

Tony,
The settings I'm talking about are global settings. If I activate a
download link or open the context menu on a link and use Save as and
don't add a path it always goes to the same folder I selected in the
dialog I described below.
Regards,
Tom


On 12/27/2018 8:45 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
As far as I know you have to choose it each time. However the last place 
you saved a file will be the one that is selected next time.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: chrome help needed

I check the option to ask me where to download a file it doesn't stay
checked.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:10 AM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: chrome help needed

On a link you can open the context menu and press K for Save link as.
Otherwise, here's how to set the global download options.
1. Press Alt to focus the Chrome button and the space bar to open the
context menu.
2. Press S for settings.
3. Tab down to the Advanced button and press the space bar.
Turn on browse mode and press H to move through the settings by heading.
Under the downloads heading you should see the default folder followed by 
an

unlabelled button. You can press that button to choose a folder.
You can also skip that and go to the next button which is to tell Chrome 
to

ask you where to download every time you download something.
Hth,
Tom



On 12/26/2018 9:07 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Could someone help me?  Maybe do a remote session if needed?  I can't
get Chrome to allow me to choose where to save each file when 
downloading.

Thanks.

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Re: chrome help needed

[Tony C via Talk]

As far as I know you have to choose it each time. However the last place you 
saved a file will be the one that is selected next time.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: chrome help needed

I check the option to ask me where to download a file it doesn't stay
checked.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 4:10 AM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: chrome help needed

On a link you can open the context menu and press K for Save link as.
Otherwise, here's how to set the global download options.
1. Press Alt to focus the Chrome button and the space bar to open the
context menu.
2. Press S for settings.
3. Tab down to the Advanced button and press the space bar.
Turn on browse mode and press H to move through the settings by heading.
Under the downloads heading you should see the default folder followed by an
unlabelled button. You can press that button to choose a folder.
You can also skip that and go to the next button which is to tell Chrome to
ask you where to download every time you download something.
Hth,
Tom



On 12/26/2018 9:07 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Could someone help me?  Maybe do a remote session if needed?  I can't
get Chrome to allow me to choose where to save each file when downloading.
Thanks.

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Re: chrome help needed

[Tony C via Talk]

Try either right clicking or using shift +F10 and choose "save target as". 
That may work


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: chrome help needed

Could someone help me?  Maybe do a remote session if needed?  I can't get
Chrome to allow me to choose where to save each file when downloading.
Thanks.

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ot, blue tooth head phones

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi all, Does anyone know of any decent either bluetooth or wireless head 
phones, that are not the big heave ones that completely cover your ears? I 
don’t want ear buds, just a lightweight pair that doesn’t clamp over your ears. 
Kinda like those little wired headphones with just a little fome thing over the 
speaker? Thanks
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Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, That's the best news. Jaws just straight up sucks. When I have WE 
running and my pc goes to sleep, it wakes and WE begins speaking at the 
password screen. Jaws will not, in fact after logging in jaws will not speak 
at alll until after I either start WE and the turn of WE and restart Jaws, 
or restart my pc. Jaws isn't any better than it was back in 2004 when I quit 
using it nd started using WE.a


-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of 
the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window 
Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn.  I have looked over the new 
key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they 
are more logical  and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking 
forward to try the new  narrator.
 - Original Message - 
 From: George Savory via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: George Savory
 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM
 Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


 On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:
 > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or
 > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft 
commands.

 >
 > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote:
 >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves
 >> or their products.  Pam.
 >>
 >> -----Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
 >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: Tony C
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
 >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
 >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: Tony C
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
 >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not 
speak.

 >> I
 >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
 >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can
 >> turn
 >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because 
it
 >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just 
fine.

 >> I
 >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent 
of

 >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
 >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
 >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
 >> box.
 >> Pam.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
 >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
 >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >> Cc: Dennis Long
 >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You
 >> didn't
 >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
 >>
 >> -Original Message-
 >> From: Talk
 >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
 >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
 >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 >> Cc: CJ MAY
 >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
 >>
 >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it 
would
 >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the 
Microsoft

 >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went
 >> over
 >> to Jaws.
 >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
 >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the 
Windows

 >> operating system.
 >>
 >> Alison
 >>
 >>
 >> -Original Message-
 >> From: Talk  
On

 >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
 >> Sent: 23 August 

Re: Considering VoiceOver

[Tony C via Talk]

Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[Tony C via Talk]

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on 
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I 
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start 
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn 
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it 
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I 
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of 
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?


-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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Re: Considering Voice over

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands and 
35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.


-Original Message- 
From: Manny Gee via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Manny Gee
Subject: Considering Voice over

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.

I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny



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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I still find myself having to turn jaws off and Window Eyes on to do 
some things. I switched to Window eyes in 2004 and left jaws behind, because 
WE did things better than jaws. I have yet to have a good experience with 
tech support at FS.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went over
to Jaws.
Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows
operating system.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: George Savory 
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, I
am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on my
iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work well
with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a
screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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WE question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hey guys, Can I make a recovery CD for my window eyes that will make it 
possible to completely remove and reinstall my WE? I have all the last updated 
so it’s the last version they released. Thanks Tony
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Re: chrome help needed

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, Try alt B for book marks.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 3:18 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: chrome help needed

IN Internet Explorer I hit altA to quickly get to my favorites.  Is there a
way like this to quickly get my bookmarks?   I also want to do letter
navigation through my bookmarks this doesn't seem possible.  I DO NOT WANT
TO TYPE INTO A SEARCH FIELD WHAT I WANT!  If it's not possible is there an
extension that makes it possible?





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Re: chrome help needed

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I was wrong about that. That works in firefox. lol Hit the ALT key and 
arrow down to "Bookmarks"...


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 4:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: chrome help needed

That does nothing for me.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 5:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: chrome help needed

   Hi, Try alt B for book marks.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 3:18 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: chrome help needed

IN Internet Explorer I hit altA to quickly get to my favorites.  Is there a
way like this to quickly get my bookmarks?   I also want to do letter
navigation through my bookmarks this doesn't seem possible.  I DO NOT WANT
TO TYPE INTO A SEARCH FIELD WHAT I WANT!  If it's not possible is there an
extension that makes it possible?





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Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I'm not sure yet, probally a desktop. I don't need a lap top and I have 
my current Windows 10 desktop hooked to my HD tv VIA HDMI cable. I don't 
even have cable tv because I use streaming on the net for 95% of my tv 
watching. I have my I phone and my GF has an Ipad for when we travel.


-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 3:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Paulette Vickery
Subject: RE: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

Hi Tony,

What kind of a Mac or you thinking about purchasing?

Paulette

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

Hi, My next computer purchase will be a Mac. I stopped using Jaws back in
2003 and used Window eyes till forced to revert to Jaws. I don't like the
company assoiated with it.

-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Paulette Vickery
Subject: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

Hi all,



I don't know about you, but I am just getting tired of it and want a
complete change. I am tired of having to change screen readers every so
often. I am tired of continually having to learn new and so called improved
Windows programs and Windows updates. I am tired of wondering, worrying and
waiting for the next change and inevitable scramble to keep up by the blind
in the computer world.



So now, I am considering taking a leap of what ever you care to call it and
try using an Apple laptop, specifically, the Mac Book Air. I know there is a
steep learning curve, but I must say that there is a lot of support
available.

For example, every Apple store is supposed to have on site training on all
Apple devices for people with disabilities, including blind people. I know
that the store here in Louisville has such training.

The Apple Care for people with disabilities is available over the phone 24
hours a day, 7 days a week. That is more than there regular Apple Care.

The Apple Mac has a built in screen reader with different voices at no extra
cost installed on each device they make. There is also a short tutorial for
how to use Voice Over, the Apple voice and it's software, also at no extra
cost, included on each device.

I know that it has nothing to do with how it works, but the outer case of
the laptop is metal and has an apple, complete with 2 leaves and a bite
taken from the apple, as the logo which I can touch easily.



Has anyone else thought about using, or has used an Apple mac laptop? If so
what did or do you think about the Mac?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



Paulette

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Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, My next computer purchase will be a Mac. I stopped using Jaws back in 
2003 and used Window eyes till forced to revert to Jaws. I don't like the 
company assoiated with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Paulette Vickery
Subject: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

Hi all,



I don't know about you, but I am just getting tired of it and want a
complete change. I am tired of having to change screen readers every so
often. I am tired of continually having to learn new and so called improved
Windows programs and Windows updates. I am tired of wondering, worrying and
waiting for the next change and inevitable scramble to keep up by the blind
in the computer world.



So now, I am considering taking a leap of what ever you care to call it and
try using an Apple laptop, specifically, the Mac Book Air. I know there is a
steep learning curve, but I must say that there is a lot of support
available.

For example, every Apple store is supposed to have on site training on all
Apple devices for people with disabilities, including blind people. I know
that the store here in Louisville has such training.

The Apple Care for people with disabilities is available over the phone 24
hours a day, 7 days a week. That is more than there regular Apple Care.

The Apple Mac has a built in screen reader with different voices at no extra
cost installed on each device they make. There is also a short tutorial for
how to use Voice Over, the Apple voice and it's software, also at no extra
cost, included on each device.

I know that it has nothing to do with how it works, but the outer case of
the laptop is metal and has an apple, complete with 2 leaves and a bite
taken from the apple, as the logo which I can touch easily.



Has anyone else thought about using, or has used an Apple mac laptop? If so
what did or do you think about the Mac?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



Paulette

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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no 
diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they charged 
more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided to do the pro 
thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, all they did was 
give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to run in full mode on the 
pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just another way to take more money.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I'm still using microsoft office 2003. I have it on a windows 8 and a 
windows 10 pc.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 7:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it is
still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get this
done.

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment companies.
Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, no
path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay one
cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" on 
screen reader users.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office.

I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
treated the way we are.

I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
more.

Live long and prosper, John



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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, Well, I have to say that from my past experiences with FS that 
they are some of the rudest and least helpful companies I dealt with, not 
the worst mind you, but in the top 5.


-Original Message- 
From: lynn white via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 11:50 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid 
of the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
interesting how it is going to work?


I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.


I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I went and looked and both are checked to wake the pc. Hmm!

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: windows 10??

Go to device manager, locate your keyboard and your mouse, use context  key 
to choose properties s of each and go to the power management tab and check 
allow this device to wake this computer then click OK.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tony C via Talk

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 Cc: Tony C
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: windows 10??


 Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

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 From: net bat via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: net bat
 Subject: Re: windows 10??

 you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Tony C via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Tony C
 Subject: windows 10??

 Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
 version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
 without
 using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, yes, it's set to sleep, or at least it was. I changed it to never sleep 
because I can't ever get it to wake it's ass up. lol


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

are you sure the power settings in the control panel is set to sleep? it 
might

be set to shut down in x number of minutes or hours instead.
in this case you would have to press the power button to turn it back on.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: windows 10??

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
without
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
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Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again 
without

using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest 
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again without 
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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virus protection question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hey guy and gals, I have a question about what virus protection is accessible 
with either Jaws or WE. I have been using AVG for several years and a few 
months ago they did an update and now neither screen reader is working well at 
all with it, also they have gone up on the price. So what virus is giving the 
most bang for your buck these days and working well with screen readers?

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Re: window-eyes still working.

[Tony C via Talk]

   Window eyes is still working, but I've noticed that with each update 
it becomes a bit mor "quirky". WE seems to jump down web pages more and 
more, and gos silent more often.


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:56 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: window-eyes still working.

Window Eyes still works for me, I have Jaws, but still like WE.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/22/2018 9:51 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Are you a part of the windows insider program?

-Original Message- From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:44 PM
To: wi...@win10.groups.io
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: window-eyes still working.

I just did that major update and window-eyes still is working using
Becky! email.

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WB6HEF
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Re: Hot key for starting JAWS?

[Tony C via Talk]

Just go to the jaws icon on the desktop, hit the app key then arrow to 
properties and hit enter, tab till you heare shortcut key and it will say 
"none" by default, just press ctrl, alt, J and tab to ok.


-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Bryan Peterson
Subject: Hot key for starting JAWS?

As the subject says, I’ve been trying to figure out how to assign a hot key 
to start JAWS since there doesn’t seem to be one by default. I have looked 
in the manual but unless I just missed it there doesn’t seem to be anything. 
I’ve gotten so used to WE having Control+Alt+W, so I wanted to do something 
with JAWS. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Attachment Question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Usually I can just shift tab a couple of times and then tab down till I 
hear the attachment and hit enter to get the open or save diaglog box


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Attachment Question

Hi Trish,

If you're in the message body, try Shift-Tabbing once and see if you land on 
a button labelled "attachments."
If you do, you should be able to press Space on it and get a context menu 
with options for handling them.


Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Patricia Krinke via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Patricia Krinke
Subject: Re: Attachment Question

Thanks for answering, Rod.  It's Windows Live Mail, but I have no idea which
version it is.


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Attachment Question

Hi Trish,

Which email program are you using?

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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Of Patricia Krinke via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
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Subject: Attachment Question

Hi,

I am using Windows 7.  How do I open an attachment?


Trish
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Re: google chrome

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I believe shift F10 if you using WE, will give you a menu to choo "save 
target as", hit enter on it and you will get the "save as" box.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: google chrome

Hi:

I do have one question.
Is there a way that I can control if podcasts are downloaded or just saved?
For example.  if someone sends me a link to a  podcast and I click on
the link, I would like to be able to choose if I want to save the
podcast or just listen to it.  Currently, Google Chrome just gives me
the dialog about where I want to save the podcast.  Firefox, for
example, will ask me if I want to open it or save it
A good example of what I am talking about is the Eyes On Success
newsletter, www.eyesonsuccess.net.  Find a link to one of the episodes
and press Enter on it.  Firefox will ask me whether I want to open it
or save it, whereas Google Chrome will just assume that I want to save
it.
Kevin Huber
On 12/13/17, David Moore via Talk  wrote:

You are very welcome!
I totally agree with you about Chrome. Definitely my favorite!
Have a great one, and ask any questions.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Mike Rogers
Subject: Re: google chrome

Thanks for the tutorial.  I prefer Chrome over I.E. and Firefox is out of
the equation.  This is a great tutorial.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:41:49 -0500
David Moore via Talk  wrote:


Hey Bob and all!
I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below
this message. You can read it here right in the email.
I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
Here is the tutorial right below!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS
say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a
shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will
get undesirable results.

Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for 
combo

box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and 
down

arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to
see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can
download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in
Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,
and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have
saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks
right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage 

Re: jaws 2018

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I found that everytime I used Jaws 2018 my sound would just quit. I 
uninstalled 20018 and reinstalled it again. I noticed that it installed a 
little differently than it did the first time. and now, at least so far it's 
working just fine. I haven't opened Edge again yet. lol


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:36 PM
To: Tony C via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: jaws 2018

I can't remember if control  w closed edge or alt space bar then C, but
I eventually got it closed.

On 11/23/2017 2:21 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I installed Jaws 2018m and turned on Microsoft Edge, I was able to use 
it and even went to Netflix and started a movie with no real trouble. 
However when I try to close Edge using alt F4 the dialogue box to shut 
down my pc comes up and nothing I do with the key board will activate the 
OK button or the cancel button. I had to get my GF to use the mouse and 
click one or the other of the buttons. I tried it 3 times with the same 
result. ?


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jaws 2018

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I installed Jaws 2018m and turned on Microsoft Edge, I was able to use it 
and even went to Netflix and started a movie with no real trouble. However when 
I try to close Edge using alt F4 the dialogue box to shut down my pc comes up 
and nothing I do with the key board will activate the OK button or the cancel 
button. I had to get my GF to use the mouse and click one or the other of the 
buttons. I tried it 3 times with the same result. ?

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Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I installed it and opened Microsoft Edge. I was able to use Edge, bot 
every time I attempted to close Edge with Alt F4. The dialogue box to shut 
down the PC came up and I could do nothing with it using the keyboard. My GF 
clicked on the cancel button using the mouse and it worked, but using the 
enter key or the spacebar did nothing on either button. Neither did the 
number key and the left mouse button. ???


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:16 PM
To: Tony C via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually
install it on my windows 10 machines.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 11/22/2017 3:19 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the 
front. Is this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C


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Jaws 2018 disk?

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the front. Is 
this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C

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Jaws and Edge

[Tony C via Talk]

Hello, When I open edgeee jaws reads nothing. How do I find and install jaws 
support for edge? Thanks Tony

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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Yes, I know. I do believe however that since they killed WE, they really 
need to focus hard on making Jaws work with alll the different programs that 
WE did/does. There's a few things that Jaws does better than WE, but there's 
quite a bit that WE does better than Jaws. I'm getting used to Jaws, but I 
still find myself going back to WE for a lot of things. I'm gonna be sad 
when WE no longer works.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Tony, I seriously doubt that the law against monopoly apply in the access
technology industry.  If it does, it is a bit too late now.  GW Micro is
gone and I doubt if it can be revived.  Besides, who truly want to spend
endless hours in court?  GW Micro went through that once, and I don't
believe Doug wants to come out of hiding to try again.

As I once opined, that which Freedom Scientific DID NOT win in the courts,
it got back by a series of tricks and arm twisting.  Its aim and objective
had been to figure out a way of running GW Micro into the ground as it did
FreedomBox, now SeroTech!

The two elephants had a good fight, the ground got terribly too hot, and the
weak one threw up its hands and walked away accepting defeat.

Anyway, back to my quest for complete and full deployment of Android!

Sincerely,m
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Tony C via Talk]

   What products for the disabled?

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

it doesn’t seem like they affect products for the disabled does it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


No, but maybe Brainwashed. I quit using Jawws in 2004 because WE worked 
better with stuff I needed. Now Jaws still doesn't work well with a lot of 
very common programs.


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.


On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Tony C via Talk]

No, but maybe Brainwashed. I quit using Jawws in 2004 because WE worked 
better with stuff I needed. Now Jaws still doesn't work well with a lot of 
very common programs.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Tony C via Talk]

It seems to me that by Jaws being the only "real" screen reader left, that 
would make VFO being a monopoly. There are laws about that???


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:38 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

The consensus seems to be that WE, overall, is better.  I have yet to
use Jaws, but the more I read here, the more I realize that we each have
different systems and needs.  So while you can't seem to pay your credit
card, others can.  And while you can do certain things, others can't.  I
think I'll just craw into a hole.

On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

you might as well junk it now.
2018 release will be in about 2 weeks.
f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had  and it still doesn't
work as good.
i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to
be jaws compatible doesn't work.
window eyes works fine.
money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of
been f s that would be out of business now.

-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Chuck Adkins via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Chuck,


I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I have
to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tony C via Talk]

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and 
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Netflicks

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, To open the Browse menu you hav to arrow to browse and them route 
the invisible curse to it with insert minus and then insert plus to route 
the PC cursor to it and then use the slashe key (left mouse key) to open the 
menu. The rest of it is just arrow keys and tab as usual.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
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Subject: Netflicks

Hello All,
Can anyone share keyboard commands to navigate Netflicks?
Thanks

Dr. Avila Guerrero
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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Tony C via Talk]

I think a FS thinks they are above the rules. lol

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:51 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: window-eyes open source?

The problem is that FS has too much of a monopoly in the paid market.
Monopolies are illegal.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:51 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: window-eyes open source?

It is far from being as good as jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and  I can see it happening that
people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds of dollars
for a very similar program.
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Josh Kennedy
 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?


 Why couldn't it happen?



 On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I don't see that happening.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
 > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM
 > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Cc: Josh Kennedy
 > Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
 >
 > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business
profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more popular than jaws
and would still be open source?
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote:
 >> Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the
 >> anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get
 >> back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick look
at facts.
 >>
 >> Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software,
 >> with all its coding done 'in-house', things would have been pretty
easy.
 >> And had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to develop
 >> the software, they could have decided whatever they wanted.
 >>
 >> Things are not that easy!
 >> First of all, what doug pointed out, was that to get the better
 >> functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach certain agreements with -
 >> for instance Adobe - to get access to third-party software, kind of
 >> behind the scene. If they open-sourced the code, now these techniques
 >> might be disclosed to the public, threatening the products of the
 >> third-party manufacturer. In turn, this of course would lead to
 >> people, not working on assistive technology at all, to get hold of the
 >> key for the backdoor of - say Adobe's reader - and use it for unwanted
 >> activity, or even malware development.
 >>
 >> Secondly, WinEyes had a feature of offering you loads of apps. Many of
 >> them are open-sourced, but WinEyes holds a chance for the app
 >> developer to cryptize his code, for protecting against peekers. This
 >> was a benefit, for instance when the app has to access a server, and
 >> maybe even use some login credencials, to perform the activity.
 >> Without me knowing for sure, we could think of an app like
 >> WeatherOrNot, which has to access a server, retrieve weather details,
and process them for you.
 >> Now if the developer has reached a given agreement with the
 >> weather-server provider, that his app will gain free access, under the
 >> condition of not disclosing the login credencials, we are in trouble
 >> in open-sourcing WinEyes. By doing so, we would disclose the
 >> cryptizing code, opening up for people to break the cryptized code of
 >> the app, get to the credencials, and then misuse it.
 >>
 >> Part of the agreement GW made with their app developers, by providing
 >> the cryptizing feature, was to keep the app code an enclosed program.
 >> They might get into legal issues, should they disclose the cryptizer,
 >> thereby lay bare the very code of the app developer, who in turn might
 >> sue GW for breaking the agreement. This is kind of backed up, by a
 >> message Doug posted several years back, when someone claimed they had
 >> broken the cryptizer.
 >>
 >> Furthermore, it has been confirmed from Aaron, that some of the apps
 >> directly from GW, like AppGet, do hold credencials for accessing the
 >> servers of GW. It is unlikely that they want to have these credencials
 >> open-sourced. In particular so, if you remember the attack someone
 >> gave them a few years back, when the code of the GWToolkit was hacked,
 >> and gave many a WinEyes user quite a shock the morning they turned on
 >> their computer, and got a threatening message on their screen.
 >>
 >> Mind you, 

Re: AVG question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I've been using AVG for several years now, and just this last update 
left me unable to do anything with it at all.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: AVG question

When I tried AVG, I realized I may need to deal with the Zen screen. At that
time, you could open a screen from the desktop icon which was useable.
However, I couldn't use many of the functions from the system tray because
they were part of the Zen screen.It sounds like now that the worthless Zen
screen has become the entire focus of the program. I was only using a trial
version of the program. I decided to remove it from my computer. I now use
Vipre. Sorry I can't be of more help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: AVG question

Hi, My AVG just updated two days ago, and now neither Jaws or Window Eyets
reads anything on the screen when I open AVG. My sighted GF says everything
is there but neither screen reader sees ing

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AVG question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, My AVG just updated two days ago, and now neither Jaws or Window Eyets 
reads anything on the screen when I open AVG. My sighted GF says everything is 
there but neither screen reader sees ing

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Re: PDF question

[Tony C via Talk]

I've not had too much luck with it either.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:39 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Re: PDF question

I've never been able to get Adobe Reader to work very well.
They need to take some of their own advice on accessibility.

Tom

** Your Message **

Hi Robin, I have always had this issue. fortunately I have

short documents to deal with. I go to View then go to page
and put the page number in or use the numpad mouse to find
the current page, click on it and put the next page I want.

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Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

[Tony C via Talk]

   Actually on my windows 10 I had both talking at the same time when I 
first installed Jaws. I had to set Jaws not to run at start up.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 8:04 PM
To: Mike Pietruk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

I am not sure how long I will continue to use WE, nor am I sure when I
will download Jaws (I did take advantage of the VFO offer) but which is
recommended, changing WE so that it doesn't automatically speak at
startup, or not having Jaws talk at startup.  I guess my actual question
is how do I change WE startup settings? My concern is, if I am
downloading Jaws, and I turn off WE during the download,  I don't really
want to rely on Jaws at startup, until I know how to use it.

On 7/29/2017 12:42 PM, Mike Pietruk via Talk wrote:

I am ready to do my first install of JFW18 on a test pc which now has the
latest and last version of WE.
I realize that both screen readers cannot be run simultaneously, but it's
ok to have both WE and JFW installed as long as only one is talking.
Am I correct on that?

Secondly, I believe that I need to readjust WE's start-up settings so that
the program never comes up talking.
Once I do this and make certain that the setting change has taken place, I
presume I can go, with WE talking to the run dialogue,
type in the path to the program (saved as c:\jfw64.exe", shut down WE
before hitting the return key, and the installation will begin with me
receiving some form of speech when it's ready for me to do something.

Is my interpretation correct, or is there something that I have missed in
what I need to do?

Thanks!

And, yes, I have read the opening installment of
Raul's tutorial but he doesn't mention any of what I have written but
presume is the proper way to proceed.


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diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
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Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I had not used Jaws since 2004. I sure thought they would have it a lot 
more improved then they do. lol


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Mike Pietruk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

I installed Jaws and left Window-eyes starting up as normal. If Jaws started 
talking I just shut down Window-eyes. When I installed Jaws I told Jaws not 
to start up at boot up and still use Window-eyes whwhile I am learning Jaws. 
Good luck. There are a million ways to do this thing. To say that I am 
underwelmed with Jaws would be a big understatement.


Let me know if I can help or confuse you further. lol


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Mike Pietruk via Talk 
 wrote:


I am ready to do my first install of JFW18 on a test pc which now has the
latest and last version of WE.
I realize that both screen readers cannot be run simultaneously, but it's
ok to have both WE and JFW installed as long as only one is talking.
Am I correct on that?

Secondly, I believe that I need to readjust WE's start-up settings so that
the program never comes up talking.
Once I do this and make certain that the setting change has taken place, I
presume I can go, with WE talking to the run dialogue,
type in the path to the program (saved as c:\jfw64.exe", shut down WE
before hitting the return key, and the installation will begin with me
receiving some form of speech when it's ready for me to do something.

Is my interpretation correct, or is there something that I have missed in
what I need to do?

Thanks!

And, yes, I have read the opening installment of
Raul's tutorial but he doesn't mention any of what I have written but
presume is the proper way to proceed.


Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
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Re: been a great ride

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every 
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've 
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the 
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not 
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from 
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill 
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received
lots of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes
and am now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to
Doug for getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid
for Jaws.  Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best
screen reader for me and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't
have done a better job of promoting their product so they could have
beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that have put up with me.  I am now
unsubscribing from the list and hope to see many of you on the NVDA and
Jaws lists.
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Re: Good Bye

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, No, the only time I've ever got those tones is at startup.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:39 AM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com ; of...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'

Subject: Re: Good Bye

I would be interested in knowing, do you get the video driver errors if you
unload and restart window eyes at the desktop?

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:37 PM
To: of...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

Hi Orlando:

This has been my experience also.  WE still works, to a degree, but, with
the video driver issue, there are drawbacks to using it with Insider builds.


However, with the current stable version of Windows 10, WE is working just
fine.  I'm typing this right now with WE rocking along.  In fact, I have
been accostumed to the way WE works with Outlook, and it took a bit of
playing around before I got JAWS to approximate it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the 
workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC 
however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more 
cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good 
experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
error tones.

-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, I also got the free bump to Jaws. But, I'm still using WE. When it 
is time for a new computer I am going to go with the mMac. Jaws just seems 
som much more cumbersom to use than WE, and I just don't like it.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Hi Peter,

I and the majority of window-eyes users on and off this list will continue
to use wondow-eyes, till it cannot be used any more.

I switched over to jws and continue to use window-eyes simply because I find
it a much superior program. Even though it is dead. Yet Confuscious say "
How can window-eyes be dead if app have been updated"? Because it still
lives.

Again VFO could close this group instantly and without prior  warning.

There are some fantastic p;eople on this list and I for one don't want to
take the chance of being left out in the3 cold by VFO.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
feedback.

Peter Duran
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Re: winamp with jaws.

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I'm not overly impressed with Jaws either. I thought that after not 
using it for 13 years that it would have changed and greatly improved, but 
it really hasn't. It works pretty well with some things, but other thing it 
just falls flat. There's a lot of "babbling" on stuff like Facebook, that is 
just an anoyance and unnecessary.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:24 PM
To: groov...@juno.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: winamp with jaws.

Hey, Chuck here in Columbus. There are Jaws scripts for Winamp, but have no 
idea how to install them. Its a complicated process with a file path miles 
and miles long. Not an easy process to install them like the we scripts or 
apps as they were called. I hope someone can help the both of us. As for 
Jaws I am very very very underwelmed to say the least.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Sue J. Ward via Talk 
 wrote:


Hello. I was wondering how to get winamp work with jaws, it does work but 
can not figure out how to get to say volume at such  and such percent with 
using the arrow keys when raising or lowering the volume. It does work 
with window eyes how to get the same type of thing with using jaws?



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Re: trying to update Jaws

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, That's weird, I just went and looked and I have the check for 
updates unders the help menu in Jaws...


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:29 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws

IN my case, having the non tandom version, the check for updates was not
available.  Now that I now have the tandom version, the check for updates is
available.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws

Are you saying that if I have the choice in help to check for updates,
that I do indeed have the tandem version?

On 7/13/2017 8:12 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
I had to remove the non tandom version of jaws and install the tandom 
version.  All is working as it should.  Inow have the option to check for 
updates.


-Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:04 AM
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws

Maybe your not waiting enough.
My update installed perfectly yesterday.

Pastor Gil

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On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: trying to update Jaws

Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through Help,
check for updates. It reported an update and I went through the procedure 
of
updating, it reported starting download and stayed at zero percent. Tried 
it

twice and gave up. Never had this problem with wineyes in 20 years. I'll
just wait until fall's major update. Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I use
wineyes, then NVDA before using Jaws!
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Re: trying to update Jaws

[Tony C via Talk]

Mine did sit there for a few minutes before the download started.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws

Maybe your not waiting enough.
My update installed perfectly yesterday.

Pastor Gil

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: trying to update Jaws

Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through Help,
check for updates. It reported an update and I went through the procedure of
updating, it reported starting download and stayed at zero percent. Tried it
twice and gave up. Never had this problem with wineyes in 20 years. I'll
just wait until fall's major update. Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I use
wineyes, then NVDA before using Jaws!
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Re: Tripletalk And DECtalk USB

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi Russ, I don't think it's one of the top things on their list, simply 
because the external synts are on the way out. I use to love my Dectak, but 
quit using it when the multi channel sound cars were greatly improved and it 
became so easy to route the sound of several different sources through 
several different outputs.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tripletalk And DECtalk USB

The July update didn't fix it.

Maybe the August update will fix the problem.



Pastor Gil

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Re: jaws list

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, That was incorrect information. As the law reads, it's the clients 
choice as to what will work best for them. I have had rehad try to push 
certain equipment and software on me, usually because they are connected in 
some way, or have a friend who is the provider. I simply refused and 
demanded the one I found most useful.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:24 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

That's interesting; because back in the late 1980s, and 1990, when they
first were going to give me stuff, they tried me out on everything they had
to see which one would work the best for me.  The second time I was going to
get equipment from the commission, I asked about the evaluation, and I was
basically told, there is nothing to evaluate you on; you get what you get.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:05 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

There  was a time when I was thinking about being a Window-eyes distributor.
I was amazed at how many rehab people, companies, and even people wouldn't
even look at Window-eyes. Councelors thought the idea of maybe letting
clients look at both products and making their own choice was a foriegn
concept. Amazingly enough the fact that Window-eyes did cost less didn't
even interest anyone. I could do stuff on the web with Window-eyes Jaws
users told me was impossible.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
 wrote:


Yes JAWS is bloted and they're coming out with a new version, called 2018.
Honestly Window-Eyes should had been the one to get the contracts in the
agencies, not JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: jaws list

what's the address for the jaws list.
what a bloted program jaws is.
Cheers Robin.
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Re: Triple Talk And DECtalk USB

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I don't think that that is a big priority because of the advent of 
multi-channel sound cards. I got rid of my external synths a long time ago, 
because I can sent the audio from streaming video and stuff through my HDMI 
or suround sound speakers while my speech goes through a set of USB wireless 
headphones..


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:01 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Triple Talk And DECtalk USB

Hi Russ,

They haven't fixedc our problem in this update.

The're probably still working on it.



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Re: jaws list

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, With so much being in electronic format these days, and more and more 
every day, the need for scanning is going away also.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:35 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jaws list

Good luck with learning the new OS!  Apparently in JAWS 2018 they're going
to have a new feature in it where you can use the pearl to scan documents
with the OCR function directly in JAWS without the need for an OCR solution.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:24 PM
To: 'Charles Adkins'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jaws list

Window-Eyes rocked my boat, fed me, took me to outerspace and back, all with
smiles!  Now, she's gone leaving the wind behind!  I elect not to take the
so-called migration gift; may be I'll change my mind if it sends me to
Vladivostok!

But, no, it won't!  I am POLISHING my Android skills and I just can't wait
to KICK WINDOWS and its ASSOCIATED SCREEN READERS down the drain for good!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: jaws list

[Tony C via Talk]

   That's is the reason I switched from Jaws to WE back on 04. I was 
maintaining a website and could not do some of it with Jaws but WE worked to 
do it. It still works better than Jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 1:05 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

There  was a time when I was thinking about being a Window-eyes distributor. 
I was amazed at how many rehab people, companies, and even people wouldn't 
even look at Window-eyes. Councelors thought the idea of maybe letting 
clients look at both products and making their own choice was a foriegn 
concept. Amazingly enough the fact that Window-eyes did cost less didn't 
even interest anyone. I could do stuff on the web with Window-eyes Jaws 
users told me was impossible.


Sent from my iPhone

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Yes JAWS is bloted and they're coming out with a new version, called 2018.
Honestly Window-Eyes should had been the one to get the contracts in the
agencies, not JAWS.

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Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: jaws list

what's the address for the jaws list.
what a bloted program jaws is.
Cheers Robin.
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Re: opening a web site

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, the way I do it is: Open IE and use the ctrl + O to get the open 
dialogue box and then just type in the url and hit enter.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: opening a web site

Hi all,



I am sorry to ask this again, but I just can't remember how to go to a
specific website from Google. Would someone please tell me again?



Paulette

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Re: Jaws Migration

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, It's actually very easy to download and install. Everytime you start 
Jaws you will get a dialogue asking if you want to run Jaws in demo mode of 
enter your Auth key. Whenyou get your key just click on Authorize and enter 
the key and your done. Takes about 1 minute.


-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Hmmm, sounds awfully complicated. Gonna make me nervous when the time comes
to purchase my copy LOL.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:37 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

Hi Robin,

You will not get any instructional email about where and how to download
Jaws.
As Tony pointed out, you can download it yourself and then activate it when
you get your authorization key.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: July 6, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Alison May ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I just got the invoice email some of you have mentioned.  There is no
indication in this about download instructions.  I'd imagine this is the
second step in the process, giving me proof of my order and SMA. So, now I
join that waiting game for the download instructions email.



-Original Message-
From: Alison May [mailto:chrisalis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

That's the response I got to. But I hadn't taken into account July 4 or the
conference. It is 10 days since I got that email. But I will keep my fingers
crossed!

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On 6 Jul 2017, at 5:48 pm, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
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One of my VFO emails when to junk, so check that too.  I completed the 
online form yesterday and got an initial confirmation within hours.  That 
email said my authorization Key would come in about 3 days.




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[mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:26 AM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is this. On 
Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question in it, which I 
answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home or professional 
version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an invoice.  Is there another 
thing I am waiting for that has the key in it?  Or do I use the invoice 
number?  Pam.


-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten 
days ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an 
automated reply.


Is this typical?



Alison







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Re: Jaws migration along with the msa

[Tony C via Talk]

I never heard of getting a discount for MSA. There was something about that 
if a person had a legit copy of WE and it was NOT up to date that there 
might be some discount to bring it up to date when switching over to Jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws migration along with the msa

Hi all,



I have received my Jaws key, that isn't the problem. However, I thought we
were supposed to get a discount for a msa. When I asked about that
yesterday, even though the deal is still in effect, the woman I spoke with
said there is no deas for the msa. Am I incorrect about a less expensive msa
for WE users? If there is supposed to be a discount, is there someone in
particular with whom I should speak? Thanks for your help.



Paulette

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Re: Jaws Migration

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, you can go to the Jaws webpage and download it anytime, you will only be 
able to use it in 40 minute mode (demo mode) till you get the auth key, then 
you just click on authorize and put in the key and it becomes a full working 
copy of Jaws.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:31 PM
To: Alison May ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I just got the invoice email some of you have mentioned.  There is no 
indication in this about download instructions.  I'd imagine this is the 
second step in the process, giving me proof of my order and SMA. So, now I 
join that waiting game for the download instructions email.




-Original Message-
From: Alison May [mailto:chrisalis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

That's the response I got to. But I hadn't taken into account July 4 or the 
conference. It is 10 days since I got that email. But I will keep my fingers 
crossed!


Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
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One of my VFO emails when to junk, so check that too.  I completed the 
online form yesterday and got an initial confirmation within hours.  That 
email said my authorization Key would come in about 3 days.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:26 AM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is this. 
On Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question in it, which 
I answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home or professional 
version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an invoice.  Is there another 
thing I am waiting for that has the key in it?  Or do I use the invoice 
number?  Pam.


-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten 
days ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an 
automated reply.


Is this typical?



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Re: Jaws Migration

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I called them after a few days and they E-mailed it to me within a hour. 
It was an authorization key sent seperately from the invoice.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:26 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is this.  On
Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question in it, which I
answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home or professional
version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an invoice.  Is there another
thing I am waiting for that has the key in it?  Or do I use the invoice
number?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten days
ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an automated
reply.

Is this typical?



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Re: DECtalk USB Question

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, That may be true, I don't think external synths will be around much 
longer either. I'm using a software synth and I can send my audio through 
the HDMI that's hooked to my HD tv and send WE and Jaws through my wireless 
head set or suround sound speakers, or any combination of that 
configuration.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: DECtalk USB Question

I wonder if FS has really worried about external synths for a while now.
They certainly do not support as many as they used to.  Now that a lot of
folks use software speech, external speech devices are probably not a
priority for them.  Window-Eyes sure supported a lot more external synths
that JAWS does now.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>; Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>;
Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question


From day one, I've always plugged my tripletalk usb directly into a usb

port.  I never had this problem with window eyes.  It seems to be a jaws
issue.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: DECtalk USB Question

Hi Russ,

I'm curious whether you have plugged your unit directly into a PC USB port
rather than a USB hub, powered or unpowered.
As for hubs, I always use those which come with their own power adaptor.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: July 3, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

Hi, There has been and still is an issue with some sound card and Window
that allow the drivers to drop out. I was told by a Microsoft person a while
back that there are some know foucus issues in Windows. They are slowly
being corrected. You may go to the Manufacture website for you sound card
and make sure you have the most up-to-date sound drivers for your device.
HTH

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

I have the same problem you are having with your dectalk usb.  I'm using a
tripletalk usb and It stops speaking after a few seconds when using alt+down
arrow (the jaws say all command) on web pages or reading a html document.
Email Mike Cozzolino,m...@axsol.com at Access Solutions.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:17 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: DECtalk USB Question

Hi,

I just got my DECtalk USB synthesizer.

I've noticed 2 things going on with it.

First, when I use the say-all command on the weatherunderground web page, it
reads for a while then stops, and I have to restart Jaws.

The second thing is that Jaws isn't keeping my changes to my voice profile
for the DECtalk USB.

Has anybody encountered these problems and if so, what did you do to solve
them.

Thanks,



Pastor Gil

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OT, but a tech question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi all, For some of the more tech savy people. I recently purchased an Aris 
cable modem, and a Net Gear router. Since that time my data usage has gone up 
quite a bit. I orginally had the modem/router combo from my provider. My 
question is: With me having a separate router if the router is on even when no 
one is using wireless, is there still a bit of data transfer between the router 
and modem, thuse causing my data useage to go up a bit? I changed my router’s 
login password from the generic one that was default and my useage did seem to 
go down.. Any help thanks Tony C
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Re: DECtalk USB Question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, There has been and still is an issue with some sound card and Window 
that allow the drivers to drop out. I was told by a Microsoft person a while 
back that there are some know foucus issues in Windows. They are slowly 
being corrected. You may go to the Manufacture website for you sound card 
and make sure you have the most up-to-date sound drivers for your device. 
HTH


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

I have the same problem you are having with your dectalk usb.  I'm using a
tripletalk usb and It stops speaking after a few seconds when using alt+down
arrow (the jaws say all command) on web pages or reading a html document.
Email Mike Cozzolino,m...@axsol.com at Access Solutions.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:17 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: DECtalk USB Question

Hi,

I just got my DECtalk USB synthesizer.

I've noticed 2 things going on with it.

First, when I use the say-all command on the weatherunderground web page, it
reads for a while then stops, and I have to restart Jaws.

The second thing is that Jaws isn't keeping my changes to my voice profile
for the DECtalk USB.

Has anybody encountered these problems and if so, what did you do to solve
them.

Thanks,



Pastor Gil

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Re: win 10 update more info

[Tony C via Talk]

   Did you restart the PC again. Sometimes after an update I've had the OS 
not load the sound drivers for some reason.


-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: win 10 update more info

Hi Again:



Ok, had a friend with sight and all looked good on the screen



All icons and the  keyboard worked with the desktop icons



Thus, nothing wrong with windows 10, but, the problem, no speech.



I tried to use the window eyes command to start but no lluck



Then my friend tried to click on the window eyes icon and still nothing.



So I am assuming that either the sound card is finished or the sound is
muted



That is it for me, I will need some help from a tech person unless I could
install win eyes again from the cd, possible yes or no?



Don't you just love computers, (smile)

Don



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Re: latest windows 10 update

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I got the update to and it didn't take but a little bit.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 7:31 AM
To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: latest windows 10 update

You can start narrator, but it should not take hours for an update to 
install. I got the latest update this week and it restarted and was back up 
in 5 minutes.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Don Smith via Talk

 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 6:35 AM
 Subject: latest windows 10 update


 Morning



 Yesterday I noticed windows 10 creater was downloading about 50 files and
 when finished, it sid you now to restart, which I did



 It has now been running for hours and no sound but  I hear the hard drive
 moving.



 Can I start narrater to hear what is happening or is this normal for 
windows

 10 creater?



 Thanks

 Don



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Re: future use of WE

[Tony C via Talk]

I did get the free jaws, but I'm still using WE instead of jaws

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:13 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future use of WE

The operative words are "just may stop:" hasn't happened yet.  Until it
does or until window-eyes doesn't do what I wwant, I'll keep using it.
I don't have windows ten and run xp and seven.  I wil go to n v d a if
necessary.  I've actually got some dos boxes I built up and still run
vocal-eyes, needed to program some radios.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


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Talk wrote:

I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best 
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the 
next major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I 
recall in the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE 
to make WE work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the 
future you are probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows 
upgrades.  Is that a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it 
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of 
Jaws and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on 
staying with a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would not 
take the free copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less expensive 
than the WE SMA's I had purchased in the past.



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Re: future use of WE

[Tony C via Talk]

I really believe that in the near future that there will not be anymore Jaws 
either. So many built in readers that ost nothing and work well are already 
out there.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 2:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: future use of WE

I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the
next major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I
recall in the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE
to make WE work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the
future you are probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows
upgrades.  Is that a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of
Jaws and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on
staying with a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would
not take the free copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less
expensive than the WE SMA's I had purchased in the past.


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windows Creator

[Tony C via Talk]

My PC just went through the upgrade to windows creator. Now it seem that both 
Jaws and WE are slow to respond and just now working correctly. Has anyone else 
experienced this?
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OT Firefox question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hello all, Reguarding Netflix: When I watch an audio described movie on Netflix 
using IE, I hear the audio description, no problem. However, when I play the 
same movie using Firefox, I do not get the audio description. Is there a 
setting in Firefox I need to change??? Thanks
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Re: can someone help me a little?

[Tony C via Talk]

up and down arrow, should do it.

-Original Message- 
From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 2:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: can someone help me a little?

Dear friends,

I recently just switch to jaws after 20 or more years using the superb 
screen reader called window-eyes.  One majorproblem that I am experience is 
that I cant figure out how to review the screen line by line. For example, 
goto the desktop.

Find the This Computer Icon.
Press alt enter on this computer to open its properties.
I know that you can use the insert+B in jaws to read the whole window, but 
how to read this whole screen from top to bottom line by line and word by 
word where necessary?


Your kind help is appreciated.

Kind regards,

Michael Mixcallef
Malta Europe.
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Re: JFW Home vs Professional

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, As far as I know, there's no difference. Back in 2004 I got a new PC 
with I think it was XP pro on it and I had to upgrade to Jaws Pro to work 
with it. The just sent me a new auth key, to use with the same Jaws disk.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 2:22 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: JFW Home vs Professional

I need some clarification on this.  I understand that the software is
exactly the same as one is using the same files.  So, for paying the $80
extra or so per each SMA, what does one receive -- extra keys, et al?
Even though I am a home user using screen readers strictly for personal
use, I have no objection in paying the extra $80 if it gives me something
in return.
Can someone clarify?



From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.

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Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, ctrl, C will just copy, ctrl X will copy to clipboard and delete the 
content from it's orginal location, then you can past with ctrl V as usual.


-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:10 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: how do you move a file with w/e

CTRL-X will delete that content.  If you want to 'COPY' it without deleting
it, you should highlight it and then use CTRL-C for 'COPY' and then CTRL-V
to copy/paste the content, file, etc.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; mcleod stinnett
; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I use control+x to cut the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
folder in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
with control+V.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:44 AM
To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how do you move a file with w/e

I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight
the file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press
CONTROL+C to copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the
directory in which I wish to place the file or files. I then paste them
there with CONTROL+V. Next, I go back to the directory where the original
file is and delete it. This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there
is a way to actually move a file, but at least this way, I am assured that
my file is not lost or destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to
worse, I can restore the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am
totally satisfied, I empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows
keystroke that should work with any screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: mcleod stinnett via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
To: talk
Subject: how do you move a file with w/e

I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
that with latest w/e, thanks
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and 
Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for 
some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to 
learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are 
acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world 
program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as 
you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would 
already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to 
bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to 
whinners.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.

In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
always of a high standard.

There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such
a big piece of work and receive no reward.



Alison



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Re: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Why did you uninstall WE? You can have both on your PC at the same time. 
As far as the keyboard layout, go to the Jaws menus by using insert J, then 
I think under options, or basics is the option to choose what keyboard 
layout you wish to use. HTH


-Original Message- 
From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:22 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: New and confusedBjaws user needing help please

Hi, I did make the switch to jazz 18 but even as I try to configure my 
settings I see the window eyes apps still popping up I do not know how to 
remove them. I did perhaps do the uninstall of when the wise in correctly 
although are used the programs and features segment from which to uninstall 
window eyes. Can someone help me to know how to remove these apps? I am 
using windows 10 and a layout laptop. The laptop layout seems not to be 
working correctly for me, either. Thank you and advance for your assistance. 
Excuse my dictation mistakes.


Jo Taliaferro
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

I think that if a person spends the time and effort to develoop something 
then he certainly has the right to charge for it. Seems like so many people 
are always looking for a handout.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm 
UK Time


According to this mentality there shouldn't be a charge for anything.
How many things in your life don't help you out in one way or another?

On 5/29/2017 11:38 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

There shouldn't be a charge for helping someone out.  It's disgraceful.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:37 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
7pm UK Time


Why not it was a business decision to discontinue WE.  $38 is versonable.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 
7pm UK Time


I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I 
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the 
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!


For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for 
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists 
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at 
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand 
with smiles.


Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, 
a download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on 
it till I have learned enough to get stuff done.


No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning 
to Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as 
is possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't 
have answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here 
with workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition 
completely to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who 
need help with Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a 
cent for transitioning!


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Tony C via Talk]

I have to admit that while I've been connected with Rehab Services in 
several states. They have always pushed Jaws. I didn't learn much about WE 
until myself and a friend were building a website back in 2004. There were 
several things that I just could not do with Jaws, but he was able to do 
with WE. So I became a WE user in 2004 and haven't used Jaws again untill 
now.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:07 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! BeingHeld Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UK Time


OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top.
gbow...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  

Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, It just replaced the orginal Icon on my desktop. I had never changed 
the name. My hotkey was then undefined again.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:22 AM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

I had changed the name of the desktop icon to just say Jaws so when I
did the update a new desktop icon for jaws was created.  The old renamed
one was still there and still had the hot key in place.  The new icon
added by the update did not have a hot key assigned.  So I would say
that the update replaces the existing idesktop icon if it is still named
the default title.

On 5/26/2017 7:59 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Yes, I had to reset it.

On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up 
in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?

This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Jaws and copy text question

[Tony C via Talk]

   Thanks, I thought that was actually a Windows 10 keystroke. Thanks 
again...


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Tony C via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question

The F8 key for starting to select what you want to copy is a Window Eyes
command and not a Jaws command.

On 5/25/2017 1:24 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select 
text and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t 
paste when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have 
to select text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow 
to select?

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Jaws and copy text question

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text 
and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when 
I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text 
using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select?
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Auto Forms mode

[Tony C via Talk]

I turned of Auto Forms mode for a bit and I’m using it manually right now. So 
far I think I kinda like it with Auto turned off. I noticed that on Facebook 
that if Ii I try to arrow down quickly from the top of the page sometimes with 
forms mode set to auto, it would kinda hang up on that first search edit box 
and it would sometimes take several times hitting the down arrow to get out ;of 
that edit box and turn forms mode off. 
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Re: Ok, eating crow now, lol

[Tony C via Talk]

   LOL, I hear you, but one thing, on my bank site WE still doesn't read 
that combo box that is a list I have to choose my secret word from. I still 
have to tab away and then back to hear the selected word.


-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:31 AM
To: Tony C via Talk
Subject: Re: Ok, eating crow now, lol

No problem - crow taste good?  .--Matthew Chao



On 5/23/2017 7:22 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Ok, My bad. It’s been a little over a year ago the last time I tried WE 
with Netflix. I turned on WE today and tried Netflix. Had to use the mouse 
curson to click a couple of things but soon and I figured that out I was 
able to do everything I tried Ii n Netflix. So Oops!.

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Ok, eating crow now, lol

[Tony C via Talk]

Ok, My bad. It’s been a little over a year ago the last time I tried WE with 
Netflix. I turned on WE today and tried Netflix. Had to use the mouse curson to 
click a couple of things but soon and I figured that out I was able to do 
everything I tried Ii n Netflix. So Oops!.
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