Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Martha via Talk]

Please ignore this.  BECKY! focus got messed up when I was attempting to
reply to a diggerent message...

On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:21:10 -0500
Martha via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Hi, Steve.
 
 I accept the proposal for the work to be done on the garage.
 How soon can you get started?  How much do you want for the first
 installment? 
 
 I've already had the interior painting work done.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Martha
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100
 Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
  But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.
  
  Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.
  
  All the best
  
  Steve
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
  Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
  To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
  
  This is only true with Eloquence.
  
  If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the 
speech.
  
  To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  Sent from Mail for Windows 10
  
  From: Richard Petty via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
  
  Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  Richard Petty
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
  To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
  
  Thanks so much.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
  To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
  
  I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.
  
  
  
  Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
  -Original Message-
  From: Richard Petty via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
  
  All,
  
  I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
  
  What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
  To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
  
  I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
  11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
  Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
  
  Reeva,
  
  Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
  I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
  
  Doug
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
  To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
  
  Question, since we is 

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Martha via Talk]

Hi, Steve.

I accept the proposal for the work to be done on the garage.
How soon can you get started?  How much do you want for the first
installment? 

I've already had the interior painting work done.

Thanks!

Martha





On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100
Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Hi,
 
 But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.
 
 Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
 Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 This is only true with Eloquence.
 
 If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.
 
 To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Richard Petty
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
 To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 Thanks so much.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
 To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.
 
 
 
 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 All,
 
 I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
 
 What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
 To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
 Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Reeva,
 
 Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
 I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
 
 Doug
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
 To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
 
 "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
 
 Reeva
 
 On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah I know what you mean, and to think JAWS is still perceived as the #1
product in agencies for the blind.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva
Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:20 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Believe me i tried. I sent multiple messages through the contact form on the
vfo website. Sent emails to several people that were higher up/i thought
were still at ai2 and either got nothing, canned response, email back that
the person i was trying to contact was no longer there or my email got
forwarded to customer service. I did bring it up in a thread on list that
dan was on but i don't think it was seen. I also tried emailing dan directly
and it bounced every time.  At this point i'm done. Like i said using my we
version of fusion, learning nvda better slowly, have android devices at my
side and waiting for google to hopefully put out a updated chromebook pixel.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 22, 2017 11:42 AM, "Brenda via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> HeyReeva,
>
> I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to 
> someone above the people that answer the phone.  Sure seems like 
> Fusion users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users 
> did.  Maybe if you dig around you can find someone higher up the food
chain to appeal to.
>
> It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it.
> Brenda
>
> On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>
>> For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based 
>> zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact 
>> i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should 
>> gotten free upgrades.
>> Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going 
>> to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, 
>> instead of
>> $200
>> for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 
>> upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion 
>> users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the 
>> conventions.  I
>> might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt
fusion,
>> slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new 
>> chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook.
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" 
>> Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 
>> came
>>> out,
>>> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people 
>>> with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Tom Kingston via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just 
>>> eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes 
>>> there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. 
>>> Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical 
>>> updates while ZoomText is actively developed.
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
>>>>
>>> editions?
>>>
>>>> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched 
>>>> student copies of JAWS and Magic.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Tom Kingston via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
>>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
>>>> 1. To replace their 

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Believe me i tried. I sent multiple messages through the contact form on
the vfo website. Sent emails to several people that were higher up/i
thought were still at ai2 and either got nothing, canned response, email
back that the person i was trying to contact was no longer there or my
email got forwarded to customer service. I did bring it up in a thread on
list that dan was on but i don't think it was seen. I also tried emailing
dan directly and it bounced every time.  At this point i'm done. Like i
said using my we version of fusion, learning nvda better slowly, have
android devices at my side and waiting for google to hopefully put out a
updated chromebook pixel.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 22, 2017 11:42 AM, "Brenda via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> HeyReeva,
>
> I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to
> someone above the people that answer the phone.  Sure seems like Fusion
> users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users did.  Maybe if
> you dig around you can find someone higher up the food chain to appeal to.
>
> It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it.
> Brenda
>
> On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>
>> For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based
>> zoomtext
>> fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the
>> same
>> boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should gotten free
>> upgrades.
>> Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the
>> jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of
>> $200
>> for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75
>> upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion
>> users
>> blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions.  I
>> might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt fusion,
>> slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new
>> chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook.
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
>> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came
>>> out,
>>> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with
>>> Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
>>> Kingston via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually
>>> replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no
>>> practical
>>> reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on
>>> death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively
>>> developed.
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
>>>>
>>> editions?
>>>
>>>> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student
>>>> copies of JAWS and Magic.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Tom Kingston via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
>>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
>>>> 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
>>>>
>>> ZoomText.
>>>
>>>> 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
>>>> End of story.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Brenda via Talk]

HeyReeva,

I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to 
someone above the people that answer the phone.  Sure seems like Fusion 
users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users did.  Maybe 
if you dig around you can find someone higher up the food chain to 
appeal to.


It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it.
Brenda

On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext
fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same
boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should gotten free upgrades.
Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the
jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200
for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75
upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users
blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions.  I
might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt fusion,
slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new
chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:


Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out,
Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with
Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually
replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no
practical
reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on
death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively
developed.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student

editions?

Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student
copies of JAWS and Magic.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling

ZoomText.

2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
End of story.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for

example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
touchscreen support, it needs this and that.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:

Hi!

I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.

Debby

At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company
do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for
profit to just give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1
they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
WE is one of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes
code or anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah and if Zoom Text declines in  market share, there will be no other
magnification products to take it over. We have Supernova but that is a UK
baste product.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva
Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext
fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same
boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should gotten free upgrades.
Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the
jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200
for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75
upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users
blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions.  I
might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt fusion,
slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new chromebook
pixel and buy that or another chromebook.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came 
> out, Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that 
> people with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just 
> eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes 
> there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic 
> is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while 
> ZoomText is actively developed.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
> editions?
> > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student 
> > copies of JAWS and Magic.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
> > To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> > Cc: Tom Kingston
> > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >
> > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
> > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
> ZoomText.
> > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
> > End of story.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, 
> >> for
> > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs 
> > touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> >> Nick Sarames via Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Cc: Nick Sarames
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>
> >> Why would they?
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> >>>
> >>> Debby
> >>>
> >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
> >>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What 
> >>>> company do you know that gives code that was a product that was 
> >>>> sold for profit to just give it away.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> >>>> Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
> >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
> >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>>>
> >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a com

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext
fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same
boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should gotten free upgrades.
Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the
jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200
for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75
upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users
blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions.  I
might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt fusion,
slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new
chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out,
> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with
> Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually
> replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no
> practical
> reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on
> death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively
> developed.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
> editions?
> > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student
> > copies of JAWS and Magic.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
> > To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> > Cc: Tom Kingston
> > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >
> > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
> > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
> ZoomText.
> > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
> > End of story.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
> > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
> > touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Nick Sarames via Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Cc: Nick Sarames
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>
> >> Why would they?
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> >>>
> >>> Debby
> >>>
> >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
> >>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company
> >>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for
> >>>> profit to just give it away.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
> >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
> >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>>>
> >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Dennis Long via Talk
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
> >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >>>> Cc: Dennis Long
> >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out,
Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with
Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually
replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no practical
reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on
death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively
developed.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions?
> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student 
> copies of JAWS and Magic.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> 
> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
> 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
ZoomText.
> 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
> End of story.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
> example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs 
> touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Nick Sarames
>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Why would they?
>>
>> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
>>>
>>> Debby
>>>
>>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>>>> profit to just give it away.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dennis Long via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Dennis Long
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>>>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>>>> WE is one of those.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>>>> code or anything.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Olusegun
>>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now 
>>>> that Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an 
>>>> impressive screen reader wh

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually 
replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no 
practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably 
already on death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is 
actively developed.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions?
Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies
of JAWS and Magic.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText.
2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
End of story.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for

example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
touchscreen support, it needs this and that.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:

Hi!

I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.

Debby

At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company
do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for
profit to just give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1
they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
WE is one of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes
code or anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive
screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!
Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes
code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on

the part of V F O.

Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions?
Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies
of JAWS and Magic.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText.
2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. 
End of story.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Nick Sarames
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> 
> Why would they?
> 
> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>>> profit to just give it away.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Dennis Long
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>>> WE is one of those.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>>> code or anything.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Olusegun
>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
>>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  
>>> Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes 
>>> code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on
the part of V F O.
>>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
>>>
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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText.
2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. 
End of story.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, 
Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, 
it needs this and that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick 
Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:

Hi!

I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.

Debby

At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company
do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for
profit to just give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1
they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
WE is one of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes
code or anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive
screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT
IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

According to whom?

On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for 
> example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs 
> touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick 
> Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Nick Sarames
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> 
> Why would they?
> 
> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company
>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for
>>> profit to just give it away.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Dennis Long via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Dennis Long
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1
>>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>>> WE is one of those.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes
>>> code or anything.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Olusegun
>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
>>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive
>>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
>>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT
>>> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
>>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
>>>
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

They don't care WE is no more.  As Aaron said when they announced the
discontinuing
 Of WE it will not work properly with programs etc. especially as time goes
on.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:15 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
touchscreen support, it needs this and that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> 
> Debby
> 
> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>> profit to just give it away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>> WE is one of those.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>> code or anything.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Olusegun
>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just 
>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT 
>> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F
O.
>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
>>
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, 
Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, 
it needs this and that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick 
Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> 
> Debby
> 
> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>> profit to just give it away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  
>> WE is one of those.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>> code or anything.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Olusegun
>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just 
>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT 
>> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
>>
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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> 
> Debby
> 
> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do 
>> you
>> know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
>> give it away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
>> Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis
>> Long via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
>> bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is 
>> one
>> of those.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
>> Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>> code or
>> anything.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Olusegun
>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
>> reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
>> OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
>>
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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Sky

 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Dennis

 Long via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Dennis Long
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
they
 bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  
WE is one

 of those.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Sky

 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
 To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the 
Window-Eyes code

 or
 anything.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
 Olusegun
 -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
 Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
 Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
screen

 reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
 maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and 
PORT IT
 OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of 
V F O.

 Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

 Sincerely,
 Olusegun
 Denver, Colorado


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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[David via Talk]

Olusegun, and all other "dreamers".
First of all, let me second much of what Tom already have told you.

Window-Eyes, as well as a number of other software you have come to rely 
on through the years, have been developed to run on Windows machines. 
Windows machines have their way, or ways, to do things. An Android, 
Linux, IOS, or whatever other OS you might fancy, they all will do 
things their own ways.

To hope for a Windows Screen Reader to be ported into Android, just 
because you need thing on the screen read out to you, would be a 
daydream deemed to never happen. The car you use every day, is 
manufactured for running on the roads. it can run on any road, but it 
has to be in contact with the underlaying surface, that is the pavement 
of the road. The airplane you travelled by, last month when going for 
your vacation, is designed to run in the air. The ship that brought your 
new cellphone in from Asia, well it is designed to float on water. When 
did you travel by airplane or ship, going down the highway outside your 
door? They are all made to fill a given purpose, in a given environment.

True, some enventive persons have attempted to make a "one-for-all" 
transportation facility; which could take you on land, in the air, and 
cross the sea. But why have we never got one of them in our yard? 
Because they are neither practical, nor functional. Because they are 
even worse than all the hazzle of today's changing from one means of 
transportation to the other.

The few times we see things that are told to be cross-platformed in the 
electronic world, it only works this well. And certain features simply 
won't be portable, due to the whole layout and construction of the 
underlaying OS. A Windows program, for instance, will never run under 
old DOS, due to the fact that Windows has a graphical interface, DOS did 
not.

Olusegun, you said you don't have programming skills. I could almost 
tell, due to your dreams. Let me then take a couple of your minutes, to 
introduce you to but a few of the rooms in the maze-like programming hotel.

A program code, is much like a recipe. It holds a number of lines, each 
giving an instruction for the computer to carry out a certain task. This 
code has to be readable for humans, or you would have some kind of a 
time in trouble-shooting it. That is why, most programmers make use of 
what is known as a programming language. These are kind of 
interpretters, between you as a human, and the 0's and 1's of the 
computer's inside.

You might have heard someone speak German, another time you heard a 
person speak Greek. None of them were comprehendable to you, unless you 
happen to speak their actual language. They even differ rather, from the 
English language. So does Spanish and French.Likewise inside the 
programming world. One programming language is rather different from 
another. And sometimes you can instruct one language to perform one 
task, and the same cannot be performed in the other programming environment.

To give you one example of such differences, which I ran into recently, 
in the attempt to import some of my code from one programming language 
(VBS) into another environment (AutoHotKey, or AHK).
In VBS, we have an instruction named EVal, which will calculate a 
mathematical expression. You could for instance say:
 EVal( 2 +3 *4)
When running this code, it will perform the following activity, inside 
the computer:
 Add 2 plus 3; gives us 5.
 Multiply the 5, with 4; and we get the result of 20.

Now, what happens if we ask Autohotkey to perform the same calculation? 
That is, it does not even have a single instruction for a calculation, 
but with some triggering we may be able to have it calculate. Problem 
is, that Autohotkey calculates from right to left, and our expression:
 2 +3 *4
will be handled as follows:
 Take 4, multiply with 3; and you get 12.
 Take the 12, and add 2; and the final result goes into 14.
Really, if the rest of our code now has to rely on the result of this 
simple calculation, you who are a business person, soon can see the 
tremendous difference we would come out with. Or, would you think that 
it doesn't matter if we get 14, or 20, as our end result?

OK, this was - believe me - a VERY TINY and insignificant example of 
what happens when we attempt to port one single line of coding, from one 
environment to another. And yes, it is all on a Windows machine. What 
issues we could have run into when trying to run similar pieces of code 
on other platforms, I will let everyone's imagination come up with.

I have been a programmer for some three decades, have learned a couple 
of languages, and am currently in the process of investigating a bit on 
further alternatives for my projects. Even so, I see that you cannot 
perform everything in one environment, but often are much better off, in 
letting each environment do what it is best at. Yet i can assure 
everyone, that such a thing as simply taking 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Exactly and it's because of that that Window-Eyes is now destroyed. So FS
would say, you can only buy JAWS. You can't use any competing products. You
can't do this in other products. You can only do this in JAWS. You can't do
this, you can't do that, etc. If you push our products, we'll give you
kickbacks. We'll give you a discount if you not only push our products but
also if you script for us. Here's your money, now, sign the contract. So the
counselors would sign the contract blindly before looking at it right butch?
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch
Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short time
an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross roads, a
division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to
convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if any scripting was done,
the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a
window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat
refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes.  I
will do so until it quits working.  When that time comes, I may go to a
braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet.  On Sun, 20
Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

> You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have 
> the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
> different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
> and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
> competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for 
> new startups with new technology today because who can say no when 
> they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned 
> giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you 
> conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.
>
> FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's 
> anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
> Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not 
> even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of 
> control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless 
> they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS 
> or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf 
> the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And 
> of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.
>
> Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
> little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. 
> I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
> non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know 
> this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And 
> as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a 
> considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not 
> willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to 
> anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, 
> which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why 
> non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. 
> They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a 
> simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like 
> buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on
its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.
>
> And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level 
> program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such 
> thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a 
> template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a 
> guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the 
> inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a
full blown screen reader can do.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>  They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>> do you  know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>> profit to just  give it away.
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky  Mundell via Talk
>>  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>  Cc: Sky Mundell
>>  Subjec

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

> >  know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to 
> >  just

> >   give it away.
> > 
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> >   Sky

> >   Mundell via Talk
> >   Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
> >   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >   Cc: Sky Mundell
> >   Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> > 
> >   They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
> > 
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> >  Dennis

> >   Long via Talk
> >   Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
> >   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >   Cc: Dennis Long
> >   Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> > 
> >   I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
> >   they
> >   bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE 
> >  is one

> >   of those.
> > 
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> >   Sky

> >   Mundell via Talk
> >   Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
> >   To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >   Cc: Sky Mundell
> >   Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> > 
> >  I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
> >  code

> >   or
> >   anything.
> > 
> >   -Original Message-

> >   From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
> >   Olusegun
> >   -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> >   Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
> >   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
> >   Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> >   Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> > 
> >   Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
> >   Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
> >   screen

> >   reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
> >   maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and 
> >  PORT IT
> >  OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F 
> >  O.

> >   Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
> > 
> >   Sincerely,

> >   Olusegun
> >   Denver, Colorado
> > 
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Lol not at a price we could afford.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Debby
Franson via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Hi!

I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.

Debby

At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do 
>you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to 
>just give it away.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky 
>Mundell via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Cc: Sky Mundell
>Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
>They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Cc: Dennis Long
>Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
>I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they 
>bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is 
>one of those.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky 
>Mundell via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Cc: Sky Mundell
>Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
>I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>code or anything.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>Olusegun
>-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
>Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen 
>reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just 
>maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT 
>IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
>Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>
>Sincerely,
>Olusegun
>Denver, Colorado
>
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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Debby Franson via Talk]

Hi Tom!

VFO shouldn't have said they would creat the Window-Eyes keyboard if they 
didn't want to do it. That's pretty poor of them.


When I upgraded to OpenBook 9 in 2012 when I first upgraded to Windows 7, I 
was snooping in the OpenBook menus and noticed some kind of JAWS runtime. I 
didn't know why that was there.


Debby

At 06:47 PM 8/20/2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote

Butch,
Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes 
keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical 
and says a lot about who they are.
And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and 
charitable money money money.
I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for 
the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless 
to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how 
many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short 
time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross 
roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the 
counselors to convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if any 
scripting was done, the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug tried 
to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for 
jaws, and vfo flat refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I 
still run window-eyes.  I will do so until it quits working.  When that 
time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail 
and internet.  On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the 
code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new 
startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've 
been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants 
dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy 
theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.


FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything 
they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not 
even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of 
control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they 
realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or 
Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the 
web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of 
course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.


Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've 
never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know 
this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as 
Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a 
considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing 
to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone 
else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which 
comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why 
non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're 
not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple 
change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a 
home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its 
exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.


And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program 
like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as 
porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for 
an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile 
operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, 
programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown 
screen reader can do.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
do you

 know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
 give it away.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 They might

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Debby Franson via Talk]

Hi!

I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.

Debby

At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I had asked about a keyboard layout and was told they would have to make
sure it didn't conflict with other programs like fusion.
 That was why they didn't do that WE keyboard layout.  
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Butch,
Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes
keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and
says a lot about who they are.
And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and
charitable money money money.
I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for
the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. 
Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he
considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users
Open Book.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
> You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short 
> time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross 
> roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined 
> the counselors to convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if 
> any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug 
> tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes 
> did for jaws, and vfo flat refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at 
> all and I still run window-eyes.  I will do so until it quits working.  
> When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like 
> that for e-mail and internet.  On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk
wrote:
> 
>> You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have 
>> the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
>> different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
>> and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
>> competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for 
>> new startups with new technology today because who can say no when 
>> they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned 
>> giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you 
>> conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.
>>
>> FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's 
>> anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
>> Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm 
>> not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is 
>> out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in 
>> unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. 
>> Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they 
>> want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on 
>> and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues
as well.
>>
>> Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
>> little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time.
>> I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
>> non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to 
>> know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the 
>> years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But 
>> it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are 
>> not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. 
>> But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of 
>> Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now 
>> can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the
box.
>> They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a 
>> simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like 
>> buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand 
>> doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.
>>
>> And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level 
>> program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such 
>> thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a 
>> template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a 
>> guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the 
>> inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of 
>> what a full blown screen reader can do.
>>
>> Re

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Butch,
Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes 
keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical 
and says a lot about who they are.
And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental 
and charitable money money money.
I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission 
for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. 
Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he 
considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes 
users Open Book.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short 
time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross 
roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the 
counselors to convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if any 
scripting was done, the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug tried 
to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for 
jaws, and vfo flat refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I 
still run window-eyes.  I will do so until it quits working.  When that 
time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for 
e-mail and internet.  On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have 
the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for 
new startups with new technology today because who can say no when 
they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned 
giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you 
conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.


FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's 
anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not 
even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of 
control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless 
they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS 
or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf 
the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And 
of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.


Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. 
I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know 
this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And 
as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a 
considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not 
willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to 
anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, 
which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why 
non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. 
They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a 
simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like 
buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors 
on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.


And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level 
program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such 
thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a 
template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a 
guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the 
inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of 
what a full blown screen reader can do.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
do you
 know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to 
just

 give it away.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis

 Long via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Dennis Long
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Olusegun,
In reference to your previous message, no one has cracked JAWS. They're 
cracking the authorization code scheme. They're not getting access to 
one line of code for the program.
Regarding Office for Android and iOS? Those programs were not ported. 
The definition of porting a program is to move it from one platform to 
another platform. For lack of a better term, full blown operating 
systems and mobile operating systems are very different platforms. 
Porting a Windows program to Mac or vice versa is one thing, but porting 
a Windows program to any mobile OS isn't going to happen. Slimmed down 
versions of Office were written specifically for Android and iOS. Having 
the code is of course of enormous help, but virtually everything works 
differently on each platform.
Microsoft has tried to do this in the Visual Studio development 
environment, i.e. supposedly having the ability to write cross-platform 
mobile apps for Windows mobile, Android, and iOS, and then be able to 
test run them on virtual machines. But everyone in the programming world 
agrees that it's a poor substitute to say the least as it will often 
miss bugs that show up on a real Android or iOS device. And note that 
cross platform development is either for full blown operating systems or 
mobile operating systems. There is no do it all in one fell swoop 
option. Of course Windows mobile apps are fine because they're being 
written on their native platform.
There is also platform independent ways of developing programs, which 
always cause accessibility problems. But these are for Windows, Mac, and 
Linux, not mobile operating systems. Well, they probably do exist but 
don't work. I've seen the discussion a thousand times and the answer is 
always if you want to develop iOS apps do it on a Mac with their iOS 
developer, develop Windows apps on Windows, and if you want to develop 
Android apps it's considerably more complicated because there is no 
parent OS for Android. This is why new mobile apps are almost always 
written for iOS first and slow to emerge on Android. And if that's not 
enough, the open source nature of Android makes it more difficult to 
develop for because virtually every company who uses it feels compelled 
to fiddle with the core operating system, just enough to make it harder 
for developers, i.e. an Android app that works fine on a Google device 
may or may not work just right on any other Android device.
So full blown operating systems and mobile operating systems are two 
different species.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 6:03 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

Tom wrote in part:

"It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like
Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it
over to Android."

First, I'll give up on Windows before doing the same with Android.  With
Android being an open source project, I choose to be somewhat optimistic
that anything is possible if not now, perhaps before too long.

Second, I can SURF the web on my Shiny, Ancient & Modern Android toy!  In
fact, I'm beginning to do it so much better with great results in Android
land than in Windows.  Once I grasp a better use of this Android tablet I
have here on my desk, all my Windows computers will have their graves dug.
I'll stick them in their respective graves as soon as the hard drive on
which they reside die naturally.  May be that's another five years from
today, but it won't make a difference for me.  I don't want them to be
resuscitable.


Third, I wish I were intelligent enough to get into programming!  Sadly, I'm
not.  Else, I shall have attempted to take on the project myself if nothing
more, but for experimental purposes.

Fourth, Excel, Word and Powerpoint have crept into Android land!  These were
once exclusively Windows preserves.  My haunch is that if these are
portable, anything is possible with a screen reader as well.  Who knows?  V
F O could read this and elect to CORNER my thought process by introducing,
you guessed it, Shark for Windows--did I say Shark?  Sorry, that should have
been Jaws, but you get my drift!  Sounds silly, but I want you to laugh
anyway!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
  



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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short 
time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross 
roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the 
counselors to convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if any 
scripting was done, the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug tried 
to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for 
jaws, and vfo flat refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I 
still run window-eyes.  I will do so until it quits working.  When that 
time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for 
e-mail and internet.  On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the 
code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different 
than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook  are 
constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because 
they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology 
today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then 
one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their 
nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW 
Micro.


FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they 
can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's 
their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care 
enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never 
spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on 
it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to 
do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, 
news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming 
Narrator avenues as well.


Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little 
time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my 
thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user 
interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have 
gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was 
time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS 
obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the 
norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of 
Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see 
why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're 
not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in 
the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a 
thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually 
nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.


And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like 
Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it 
over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely 
skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems 
like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or 
processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

 They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
 know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
 give it away.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
 Long via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Dennis Long
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
 bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
 of those.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
 Mundell via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
 To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Cc: Sky Mundell
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code
 or
 anything.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
 Olusegun
 -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom wrote in part:

"It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like
Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it
over to Android."

First, I'll give up on Windows before doing the same with Android.  With
Android being an open source project, I choose to be somewhat optimistic
that anything is possible if not now, perhaps before too long.

Second, I can SURF the web on my Shiny, Ancient & Modern Android toy!  In
fact, I'm beginning to do it so much better with great results in Android
land than in Windows.  Once I grasp a better use of this Android tablet I
have here on my desk, all my Windows computers will have their graves dug.
I'll stick them in their respective graves as soon as the hard drive on
which they reside die naturally.  May be that's another five years from
today, but it won't make a difference for me.  I don't want them to be
resuscitable.  


Third, I wish I were intelligent enough to get into programming!  Sadly, I'm
not.  Else, I shall have attempted to take on the project myself if nothing
more, but for experimental purposes.

Fourth, Excel, Word and Powerpoint have crept into Android land!  These were
once exclusively Windows preserves.  My haunch is that if these are
portable, anything is possible with a screen reader as well.  Who knows?  V
F O could read this and elect to CORNER my thought process by introducing,
you guessed it, Shark for Windows--did I say Shark?  Sorry, that should have
been Jaws, but you get my drift!  Sounds silly, but I want you to laugh
anyway!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
 


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Oh no, Sky!  The Window-Eyes code should NEVER EVER go to Humanware!  That
would only give it a chance to serve us OBSOLETE stuff as it does on its
BrailleNote Touch.  No, I won't want that!  I'd rather see it in the open so
that someone out of China, India or South Korea can take a GOOD CRACK at
making it a better screen reader on Android!  Hey, for all I care, it could
be someone out of Europe as well.  

Do you see how SELFISH I am?  Oh well, if I sell enough fish, I may consider
sharing some of the profit with you and a few others in this space, 

Sincerely,
Olusegun
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Dennis wrote:

"They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away."

When it comes to CRACKING THE CODE, that doesn't have to come from V F O or
whatever name it calls itself!  Jaws code is CRACKED all the time and many
folks, whether you believe it or not, are using the silly screen reader at
NO EXTRA cost!  Window-Eyes, because of its licensing scheme, was FAR TOO
DIFFICULT to crack.  Now that it's dead, I remain hopeful that, at some
point in time, someone will CRACK IT, play with it, and ROLL it out for all.
I just hope that whoever succeeds in doing that will do the rolling out on
the Android platform using AOSP and thus avoid V F O's belly ache.  

Mind you, I'm not saying it will happen; I am merely trying to be somewhat
hopeful!  I may win or lose; whichever way it goes, by the time my
hypothesis comes to play, I probably won't know much about Windows
computers/screen readers anymore; hence the SELFISH reason, if you wish to
call it that, why I want to see Window-Eyes as a viable screen reader on the
Android platform.  I shall have recommended iOS, but that won't happen over
there; the best chance and opportunity is on Android!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the 
code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new 
startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've 
been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants 
dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy 
theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.


FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything 
they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not 
even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of 
control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they 
realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or 
Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the 
web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of 
course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.


Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've 
never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know 
this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as 
Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a 
considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing 
to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone 
else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which 
comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why 
non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're 
not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple 
change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a 
home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its 
exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.


And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program 
like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as 
porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for 
an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile 
operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, 
programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown 
screen reader can do.


Regards,
Tom


On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

So they'll keep the code forever.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:38 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You can do that in Windows7 only difference is press on the volume entry in
system tray.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Martha
via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:54 AM
To: Steve Nutt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Martha
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Thanks, Ian.  I was wondering...

On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100
Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Hi,
 
 But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.
 
 Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press
applications key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume
specifically for JAWS.  If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
 Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 This is only true with Eloquence.
 
 If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the
speech.
 
 To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu,
select Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You'll be asked to
select a default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile,
you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the
speech volume.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but
instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the
computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Richard Petty
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
 To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 Thanks so much.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
 To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.
 
 
 
 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 All,
 
 I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
 
 What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving
through headings, tables and other document features?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
 To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 I talked to customer service about something related to your question and
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to
WE after WE goes away.
 Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Reeva,
 
 Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
 I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
 
 Doug
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
 To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
 
 "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just beg

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Martha via Talk]

Thanks, Ian.  I was wondering...

On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100
Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Hi,
 
 But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.
 
 Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.
 
 All the best
 
 Steve
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
 Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 This is only true with Eloquence.
 
 If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.
 
 To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
 
 Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Richard Petty
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
 To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 Thanks so much.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
 To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.
 
 
 
 Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
 http://lras.home.sprynet.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Petty via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
 
 All,
 
 I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
 
 What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
 To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
 Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Reeva,
 
 Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
 I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
 
 Doug
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
 To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
 
 Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
 
 "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
 
 Reeva
 
 On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
 <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 wrote:
 
 > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
 >
 > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
 > Loy via Talk wrote:
 >

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

It is good that one can do this, but it's sad that JAWS, the program said to 
be the anointed screen reader for all time, does not provide a way to adjust 
the synthesizer volume. On another note, it seems that help with  nmouse 
movement and adjusting how many pixels the mouse moves with each key press 
is difficult to find. Yet, since I really don't worry too muich about either 
of these, I enjoy those things about Window-Eyes. Nontheless, I am learning 
my way around JAWS and getting along well. As has been stated in previous 
posts, there are merits and pitfalls with all screen readers.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 'Steve Nutt' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Guess what you can do the same thing in windows 7 and back to xp I believe. 
you


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:23 AM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Hi,

But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.

Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press 
applications key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume 
specifically for JAWS.  If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.


All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the 
speech.


To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.


Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but 
instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the 
computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?


Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.


What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
an

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Guess what you can do the same thing in windows 7 and back to xp I believe. you 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:23 AM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Hi,

But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.

Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not 
a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I think the message said 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

That adjusts the speed, not the volume.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 12:58
To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Try control - alt - page up and page down.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500
Richard Petty via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but
instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the
computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Richard Petty
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
> To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
> To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was 
> already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with 
> insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in
JAWS.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Petty via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> All,
> 
> I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very 
> nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
> 
> What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for 
> moving through headings, tables and other document features?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com
> ] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
> To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> I talked to customer service about something related to your question 
> and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the 
> screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext 
> fustion 10 to
> 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. 
> This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is 
> what happens to WE after WE goes away.
> Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Reeva,
> 
> Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app 
> central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and
go down.
> I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would 
> be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around 
> for those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
> Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
> >
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> > Loy via Talk wrote:
> > >
> > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, Ma

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.

Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications 
key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS.  
If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same 
keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not 
a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE 
after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > <talk@

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

In addition to this, if you want the setting to be permanent, press the 
windows key with the ctrl-alt-page up or down.



On 5/22/2017 7:58 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

Try control - alt - page up and page down.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500
Richard Petty via Talk  wrote:


Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to
WE after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk"

wrote:


I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
Loy via Talk wrote:

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to
providing a smooth 

Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Try control - alt - page up and page down.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500
Richard Petty via Talk  wrote:

> Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
> only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If 
> it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Richard Petty
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
> To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
> To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
> JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
> same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- 
> From: Richard Petty via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS
> 
> All,
> 
> I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
> functionality for navigating MS Word documents.
> 
> What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
> through headings, tables and other document features?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
> To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
> they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
> reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
> 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
> not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
> WE after WE goes away.
> Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Reeva,
> 
> Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
> but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
> I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
> and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
> those using we/the we version of zt fusion?
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
> >
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> > Loy via Talk wrote:
> > >
> > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > > 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> > > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> > > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> > > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> > > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> > > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
> > > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
> > > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> > >
> > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> > > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
> > > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not 

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Richard Petty via Talk]

How interesting. Thanks so much.

 

From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:01 AM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes DiscussionList
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 

This is only true with Eloquence.

 

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

 

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

From: Richard Petty via Talk <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

 

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Richard Petty

 

-Original Message-

From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM

To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

 

Thanks so much.

 

-Original Message-

From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM

To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

 

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 

JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 

same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.

 

 

 

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

http://lras.home.sprynet.com

-Original Message- 

From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM

To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

 

All,

 

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 

functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

 

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 

through headings, tables and other document features?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

-Original Message-

From: Talk 

[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 

Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM

To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

 

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 

they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 

reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 

11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 

not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 

WE after WE goes away.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

 

-Original Message-

From: Talk 

[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 

Of Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM

To: Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

 

Reeva,

 

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 

but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 

I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 

and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

 

Doug

 

-Original Message-

From: Talk 

[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 

Of Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM

To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

 

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 

those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

 

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 

night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

 

Reeva

 

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

wrote:

 

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.

> 

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,

> Loy via Talk wrote:

> >

> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we

> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?

> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"

> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:1

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and 

JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Richard Petty via Talk]

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 

wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If