Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Please ignore this. BECKY! focus got messed up when I was attempting to reply to a diggerent message... On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:21:10 -0500 Martha via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hi, Steve. I accept the proposal for the work to be done on the garage. How soon can you get started? How much do you want for the first installment? I've already had the interior painting work done. Thanks! Martha On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100 Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. Youll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Hi, Steve. I accept the proposal for the work to be done on the garage. How soon can you get started? How much do you want for the first installment? I've already had the interior painting work done. Thanks! Martha On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100 Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. Youll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk
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Yeah I know what you mean, and to think JAWS is still perceived as the #1 product in agencies for the blind. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:20 AM To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Reeva Webb Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Believe me i tried. I sent multiple messages through the contact form on the vfo website. Sent emails to several people that were higher up/i thought were still at ai2 and either got nothing, canned response, email back that the person i was trying to contact was no longer there or my email got forwarded to customer service. I did bring it up in a thread on list that dan was on but i don't think it was seen. I also tried emailing dan directly and it bounced every time. At this point i'm done. Like i said using my we version of fusion, learning nvda better slowly, have android devices at my side and waiting for google to hopefully put out a updated chromebook pixel. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Aug 22, 2017 11:42 AM, "Brenda via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > HeyReeva, > > I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to > someone above the people that answer the phone. Sure seems like > Fusion users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users > did. Maybe if you dig around you can find someone higher up the food chain to appeal to. > > It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it. > Brenda > > On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: > >> For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based >> zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact >> i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying we should >> gotten free upgrades. >> Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going >> to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, >> instead of >> $200 >> for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 >> upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion >> users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the >> conventions. I >> might have done that but no. I will be using my we version of zt fusion, >> slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new >> chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook. >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" >> Walls Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" < >> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 >> came >>> out, >>> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people >>> with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Tom Kingston via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just >>> eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes >>> there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. >>> Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical >>> updates while ZoomText is actively developed. >>> Regards, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> >>>> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student >>>> >>> editions? >>> >>>> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched >>>> student copies of JAWS and Magic. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Tom Kingston via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM >>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk >>>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. >>>> 1. To replace their
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Believe me i tried. I sent multiple messages through the contact form on the vfo website. Sent emails to several people that were higher up/i thought were still at ai2 and either got nothing, canned response, email back that the person i was trying to contact was no longer there or my email got forwarded to customer service. I did bring it up in a thread on list that dan was on but i don't think it was seen. I also tried emailing dan directly and it bounced every time. At this point i'm done. Like i said using my we version of fusion, learning nvda better slowly, have android devices at my side and waiting for google to hopefully put out a updated chromebook pixel. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Aug 22, 2017 11:42 AM, "Brenda via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > HeyReeva, > > I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to > someone above the people that answer the phone. Sure seems like Fusion > users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users did. Maybe if > you dig around you can find someone higher up the food chain to appeal to. > > It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it. > Brenda > > On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: > >> For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based >> zoomtext >> fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the >> same >> boat as just we users. I'm not even saying we should gotten free >> upgrades. >> Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the >> jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of >> $200 >> for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 >> upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion >> users >> blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions. I >> might have done that but no. I will be using my we version of zt fusion, >> slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new >> chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook. >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised >> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" < >> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came >>> out, >>> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with >>> Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Kingston via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually >>> replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no >>> practical >>> reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on >>> death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively >>> developed. >>> Regards, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> >>>> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student >>>> >>> editions? >>> >>>> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student >>>> copies of JAWS and Magic. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Tom Kingston via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM >>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk >>>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. >>>> 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling >>>> >>> ZoomText. >>> >>>> 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. >>>> End of story. >>>> Regards, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>>> >>>>>
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HeyReeva, I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to someone above the people that answer the phone. Sure seems like Fusion users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users did. Maybe if you dig around you can find someone higher up the food chain to appeal to. It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it. Brenda On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying we should gotten free upgrades. Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200 for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions. I might have done that but no. I will be using my we version of zt fusion, slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out, Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively developed. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions? Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies of JAWS and Magic. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText. 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. End of story. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: Hi! I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. Debby At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,
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Yeah and if Zoom Text declines in market share, there will be no other magnification products to take it over. We have Supernova but that is a UK baste product. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:35 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Reeva Webb Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying we should gotten free upgrades. Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200 for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions. I might have done that but no. I will be using my we version of zt fusion, slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came > out, Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that > people with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just > eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes > there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic > is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while > ZoomText is actively developed. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student > editions? > > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student > > copies of JAWS and Magic. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Tom Kingston via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM > > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > > Cc: Tom Kingston > > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. > > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling > ZoomText. > > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. > > End of story. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, > >> for > > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs > > touchscreen support, it needs this and that. > >> > >> -----Original Message- > >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > >> Nick Sarames via Talk > >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM > >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > >> Cc: Nick Sarames > >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >> > >> Why would they? > >> > >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. > >>> > >>> Debby > >>> > >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote > >>>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What > >>>> company do you know that gives code that was a product that was > >>>> sold for profit to just give it away. > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > >>>> Of Sky Mundell via Talk > >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM > >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell > >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >>>> > >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a com
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying we should gotten free upgrades. Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200 for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions. I might have done that but no. I will be using my we version of zt fusion, slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out, > Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with > Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Kingston via Talk > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually > replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no > practical > reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on > death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively > developed. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student > editions? > > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student > > copies of JAWS and Magic. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Tom Kingston via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM > > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > > Cc: Tom Kingston > > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. > > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling > ZoomText. > > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. > > End of story. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for > > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs > > touchscreen support, it needs this and that. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > >> Nick Sarames via Talk > >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM > >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > >> Cc: Nick Sarames > >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >> > >> Why would they? > >> > >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. > >>> > >>> Debby > >>> > >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote > >>>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company > >>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for > >>>> profit to just give it away. > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > >>>> Sky Mundell via Talk > >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM > >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell > >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >>>> > >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > >>>> Dennis Long via Talk > >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM > >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > >>>> Cc: Dennis Long > >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out, Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively developed. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions? > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student > copies of JAWS and Magic. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText. > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. > End of story. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs > touchscreen support, it needs this and that. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Nick Sarames via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Nick Sarames >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> Why would they? >> >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. >>> >>> Debby >>> >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >>>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >>>> profit to just give it away. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Dennis Long via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Cc: Dennis Long >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >>>> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >>>> WE is one of those. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >>>> code or anything. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Olusegun >>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>>> >>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now >>>> that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an >>>> impressive screen reader wh
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively developed. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions? Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies of JAWS and Magic. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText. 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. End of story. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: Hi! I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. Debby At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%4 0 shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennis l 1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions? Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies of JAWS and Magic. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText. 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. End of story. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Nick Sarames > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > Why would they? > > On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. >> >> Debby >> >> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >>> profit to just give it away. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Dennis Long >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >>> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >>> WE is one of those. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >>> code or anything. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Olusegun >>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >>> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive >>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! >>> Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes >>> code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Olusegun >>> Denver, Colorado >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%4 >>> 0 >>> shaw.ca >>> >>> . >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/p
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons. 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText. 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. End of story. Regards, Tom On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: Hi! I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. Debby At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl 1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl 1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
According to whom? On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs > touchscreen support, it needs this and that. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick > Sarames via Talk > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Nick Sarames > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > Why would they? > > On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. >> >> Debby >> >> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >>> profit to just give it away. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Dennis Long >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >>> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >>> WE is one of those. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >>> code or anything. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >>> Olusegun >>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >>> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive >>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just >>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT >>> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Olusegun >>> Denver, Colorado >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >>> shaw.ca >>> >>> . >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl >>> 1982%40 >>> >>> gmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
They don't care WE is no more. As Aaron said when they announced the discontinuing Of WE it will not work properly with programs etc. especially as time goes on. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:15 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: > Hi! > > I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. > > Debby > > At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >> profit to just give it away. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >> WE is one of those. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >> code or anything. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Olusegun >> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive >> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just >> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT >> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >> >> Sincerely, >> Olusegun >> Denver, Colorado >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >> shaw.ca >> >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl >> 1982%40 >> >> gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >>
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, it needs this and that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: > Hi! > > I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. > > Debby > > At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >> profit to just give it away. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? >> WE is one of those. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >> code or anything. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Olusegun >> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive >> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just >> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT >> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >> >> Sincerely, >> Olusegun >> Denver, Colorado >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >> shaw.ca >> >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl >> 1982%40 >> >> gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40 >> shaw.ca >> >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Why would they? On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote: > Hi! > > I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. > > Debby > > At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do >> you >> know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just >> give it away. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky >> Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Dennis >> Long via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they >> bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is >> one >> of those. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky >> Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >> code or >> anything. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Olusegun >> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >> >> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >> Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen >> reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just >> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT >> OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >> >> Sincerely, >> Olusegun >> Denver, Colorado >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca >> >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 >> >> gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca >> >> . >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For me
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Olusegun, and all other "dreamers". First of all, let me second much of what Tom already have told you. Window-Eyes, as well as a number of other software you have come to rely on through the years, have been developed to run on Windows machines. Windows machines have their way, or ways, to do things. An Android, Linux, IOS, or whatever other OS you might fancy, they all will do things their own ways. To hope for a Windows Screen Reader to be ported into Android, just because you need thing on the screen read out to you, would be a daydream deemed to never happen. The car you use every day, is manufactured for running on the roads. it can run on any road, but it has to be in contact with the underlaying surface, that is the pavement of the road. The airplane you travelled by, last month when going for your vacation, is designed to run in the air. The ship that brought your new cellphone in from Asia, well it is designed to float on water. When did you travel by airplane or ship, going down the highway outside your door? They are all made to fill a given purpose, in a given environment. True, some enventive persons have attempted to make a "one-for-all" transportation facility; which could take you on land, in the air, and cross the sea. But why have we never got one of them in our yard? Because they are neither practical, nor functional. Because they are even worse than all the hazzle of today's changing from one means of transportation to the other. The few times we see things that are told to be cross-platformed in the electronic world, it only works this well. And certain features simply won't be portable, due to the whole layout and construction of the underlaying OS. A Windows program, for instance, will never run under old DOS, due to the fact that Windows has a graphical interface, DOS did not. Olusegun, you said you don't have programming skills. I could almost tell, due to your dreams. Let me then take a couple of your minutes, to introduce you to but a few of the rooms in the maze-like programming hotel. A program code, is much like a recipe. It holds a number of lines, each giving an instruction for the computer to carry out a certain task. This code has to be readable for humans, or you would have some kind of a time in trouble-shooting it. That is why, most programmers make use of what is known as a programming language. These are kind of interpretters, between you as a human, and the 0's and 1's of the computer's inside. You might have heard someone speak German, another time you heard a person speak Greek. None of them were comprehendable to you, unless you happen to speak their actual language. They even differ rather, from the English language. So does Spanish and French.Likewise inside the programming world. One programming language is rather different from another. And sometimes you can instruct one language to perform one task, and the same cannot be performed in the other programming environment. To give you one example of such differences, which I ran into recently, in the attempt to import some of my code from one programming language (VBS) into another environment (AutoHotKey, or AHK). In VBS, we have an instruction named EVal, which will calculate a mathematical expression. You could for instance say: EVal( 2 +3 *4) When running this code, it will perform the following activity, inside the computer: Add 2 plus 3; gives us 5. Multiply the 5, with 4; and we get the result of 20. Now, what happens if we ask Autohotkey to perform the same calculation? That is, it does not even have a single instruction for a calculation, but with some triggering we may be able to have it calculate. Problem is, that Autohotkey calculates from right to left, and our expression: 2 +3 *4 will be handled as follows: Take 4, multiply with 3; and you get 12. Take the 12, and add 2; and the final result goes into 14. Really, if the rest of our code now has to rely on the result of this simple calculation, you who are a business person, soon can see the tremendous difference we would come out with. Or, would you think that it doesn't matter if we get 14, or 20, as our end result? OK, this was - believe me - a VERY TINY and insignificant example of what happens when we attempt to port one single line of coding, from one environment to another. And yes, it is all on a Windows machine. What issues we could have run into when trying to run similar pieces of code on other platforms, I will let everyone's imagination come up with. I have been a programmer for some three decades, have learned a couple of languages, and am currently in the process of investigating a bit on further alternatives for my projects. Even so, I see that you cannot perform everything in one environment, but often are much better off, in letting each environment do what it is best at. Yet i can assure everyone, that such a thing as simply taking
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Exactly and it's because of that that Window-Eyes is now destroyed. So FS would say, you can only buy JAWS. You can't use any competing products. You can't do this in other products. You can only do this in JAWS. You can't do this, you can't do that, etc. If you push our products, we'll give you kickbacks. We'll give you a discount if you not only push our products but also if you script for us. Here's your money, now, sign the contract. So the counselors would sign the contract blindly before looking at it right butch? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:44 PM To: Tom Kingston via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have > the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no > different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, > and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the > competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for > new startups with new technology today because who can say no when > they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned > giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you > conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. > > FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's > anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from > Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not > even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of > control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless > they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS > or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf > the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And > of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. > > Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the > little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. > I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly > non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know > this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And > as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a > considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not > willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to > anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, > which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why > non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. > They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a > simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like > buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. > > And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level > program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such > thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a > template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a > guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the > inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. > > Regards, > Tom > > > On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >> profit to just give it away. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >> Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subjec
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> > know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to > > just > > give it away. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Sky > > Mundell via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM > > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > > Cc: Sky Mundell > > Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Dennis > > Long via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM > > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > > Cc: Dennis Long > > Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 > > they > > bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE > > is one > > of those. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Sky > > Mundell via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM > > To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > > Cc: Sky Mundell > > Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes > > code > > or > > anything. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of > > Olusegun > > -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM > > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' > > Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. > > Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > > > > Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that > > Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive > > screen > > reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just > > maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and > > PORT IT > > OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F > > O. > > Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! > > > > Sincerely, > > Olusegun > > Denver, Colorado > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author > > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca > > > > . > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author > > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 > > > > gmail.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author > > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca > > > > . > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of
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Lol not at a price we could afford. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Debby Franson via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:23 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Debby Franson Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Hi! I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. Debby At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote >They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do >you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to >just give it away. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky >Mundell via Talk >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Cc: Sky Mundell >Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >Dennis Long via Talk >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Cc: Dennis Long >Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they >bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is >one of those. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky >Mundell via Talk >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Cc: Sky Mundell >Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >code or anything. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of >Olusegun >-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume > >Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that >Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen >reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just >maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT >IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. >Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! > >Sincerely, >Olusegun >Denver, Colorado > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40sh >aw.ca >. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl19 >82%40 >gmail.com. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40sh >aw.ca >. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl19 >82%40 >gmail.com. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >___ >An
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Hi Tom! VFO shouldn't have said they would creat the Window-Eyes keyboard if they didn't want to do it. That's pretty poor of them. When I upgraded to OpenBook 9 in 2012 when I first upgraded to Windows 7, I was snooping in the OpenBook menus and noticed some kind of JAWS runtime. I didn't know why that was there. Debby At 06:47 PM 8/20/2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote Butch, Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and says a lot about who they are. And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and charitable money money money. I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote: You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might
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Hi! I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code. Debby At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/the.bee%40frontier.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit
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I had asked about a keyboard layout and was told they would have to make sure it didn't conflict with other programs like fusion. That was why they didn't do that WE keyboard layout. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:48 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Butch, Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and says a lot about who they are. And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and charitable money money money. I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote: > You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short > time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross > roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined > the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if > any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug > tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes > did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at > all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. > When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like > that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > >> You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have >> the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no >> different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, >> and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the >> competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for >> new startups with new technology today because who can say no when >> they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned >> giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you >> conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. >> >> FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's >> anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from >> Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm >> not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is >> out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in >> unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. >> Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they >> want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on >> and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. >> >> Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the >> little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. >> I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly >> non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to >> know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the >> years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But >> it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are >> not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. >> But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of >> Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now >> can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. >> They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a >> simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like >> buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand >> doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. >> >> And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level >> program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such >> thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a >> template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a >> guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the >> inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of >> what a full blown screen reader can do. >> >> Re
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Butch, Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and says a lot about who they are. And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and charitable money money money. I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote: You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few
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Olusegun, In reference to your previous message, no one has cracked JAWS. They're cracking the authorization code scheme. They're not getting access to one line of code for the program. Regarding Office for Android and iOS? Those programs were not ported. The definition of porting a program is to move it from one platform to another platform. For lack of a better term, full blown operating systems and mobile operating systems are very different platforms. Porting a Windows program to Mac or vice versa is one thing, but porting a Windows program to any mobile OS isn't going to happen. Slimmed down versions of Office were written specifically for Android and iOS. Having the code is of course of enormous help, but virtually everything works differently on each platform. Microsoft has tried to do this in the Visual Studio development environment, i.e. supposedly having the ability to write cross-platform mobile apps for Windows mobile, Android, and iOS, and then be able to test run them on virtual machines. But everyone in the programming world agrees that it's a poor substitute to say the least as it will often miss bugs that show up on a real Android or iOS device. And note that cross platform development is either for full blown operating systems or mobile operating systems. There is no do it all in one fell swoop option. Of course Windows mobile apps are fine because they're being written on their native platform. There is also platform independent ways of developing programs, which always cause accessibility problems. But these are for Windows, Mac, and Linux, not mobile operating systems. Well, they probably do exist but don't work. I've seen the discussion a thousand times and the answer is always if you want to develop iOS apps do it on a Mac with their iOS developer, develop Windows apps on Windows, and if you want to develop Android apps it's considerably more complicated because there is no parent OS for Android. This is why new mobile apps are almost always written for iOS first and slow to emerge on Android. And if that's not enough, the open source nature of Android makes it more difficult to develop for because virtually every company who uses it feels compelled to fiddle with the core operating system, just enough to make it harder for developers, i.e. an Android app that works fine on a Google device may or may not work just right on any other Android device. So full blown operating systems and mobile operating systems are two different species. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 6:03 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote: Tom wrote in part: "It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android." First, I'll give up on Windows before doing the same with Android. With Android being an open source project, I choose to be somewhat optimistic that anything is possible if not now, perhaps before too long. Second, I can SURF the web on my Shiny, Ancient & Modern Android toy! In fact, I'm beginning to do it so much better with great results in Android land than in Windows. Once I grasp a better use of this Android tablet I have here on my desk, all my Windows computers will have their graves dug. I'll stick them in their respective graves as soon as the hard drive on which they reside die naturally. May be that's another five years from today, but it won't make a difference for me. I don't want them to be resuscitable. Third, I wish I were intelligent enough to get into programming! Sadly, I'm not. Else, I shall have attempted to take on the project myself if nothing more, but for experimental purposes. Fourth, Excel, Word and Powerpoint have crept into Android land! These were once exclusively Windows preserves. My haunch is that if these are portable, anything is possible with a screen reader as well. Who knows? V F O could read this and elect to CORNER my thought process by introducing, you guessed it, Shark for Windows--did I say Shark? Sorry, that should have been Jaws, but you get my drift! Sounds silly, but I want you to laugh anyway!! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent
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You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017
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Tom wrote in part: "It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android." First, I'll give up on Windows before doing the same with Android. With Android being an open source project, I choose to be somewhat optimistic that anything is possible if not now, perhaps before too long. Second, I can SURF the web on my Shiny, Ancient & Modern Android toy! In fact, I'm beginning to do it so much better with great results in Android land than in Windows. Once I grasp a better use of this Android tablet I have here on my desk, all my Windows computers will have their graves dug. I'll stick them in their respective graves as soon as the hard drive on which they reside die naturally. May be that's another five years from today, but it won't make a difference for me. I don't want them to be resuscitable. Third, I wish I were intelligent enough to get into programming! Sadly, I'm not. Else, I shall have attempted to take on the project myself if nothing more, but for experimental purposes. Fourth, Excel, Word and Powerpoint have crept into Android land! These were once exclusively Windows preserves. My haunch is that if these are portable, anything is possible with a screen reader as well. Who knows? V F O could read this and elect to CORNER my thought process by introducing, you guessed it, Shark for Windows--did I say Shark? Sorry, that should have been Jaws, but you get my drift! Sounds silly, but I want you to laugh anyway!! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Oh no, Sky! The Window-Eyes code should NEVER EVER go to Humanware! That would only give it a chance to serve us OBSOLETE stuff as it does on its BrailleNote Touch. No, I won't want that! I'd rather see it in the open so that someone out of China, India or South Korea can take a GOOD CRACK at making it a better screen reader on Android! Hey, for all I care, it could be someone out of Europe as well. Do you see how SELFISH I am? Oh well, if I sell enough fish, I may consider sharing some of the profit with you and a few others in this space,Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Dennis wrote: "They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away." When it comes to CRACKING THE CODE, that doesn't have to come from V F O or whatever name it calls itself! Jaws code is CRACKED all the time and many folks, whether you believe it or not, are using the silly screen reader at NO EXTRA cost! Window-Eyes, because of its licensing scheme, was FAR TOO DIFFICULT to crack. Now that it's dead, I remain hopeful that, at some point in time, someone will CRACK IT, play with it, and ROLL it out for all. I just hope that whoever succeeds in doing that will do the rolling out on the Android platform using AOSP and thus avoid V F O's belly ache. Mind you, I'm not saying it will happen; I am merely trying to be somewhat hopeful! I may win or lose; whichever way it goes, by the time my hypothesis comes to play, I probably won't know much about Windows computers/screen readers anymore; hence the SELFISH reason, if you wish to call it that, why I want to see Window-Eyes as a viable screen reader on the Android platform. I shall have recommended iOS, but that won't happen over there; the best chance and opportunity is on Android! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
So they'll keep the code forever. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:38 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just give it away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
You can do that in Windows7 only difference is press on the volume entry in system tray. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Martha via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:54 AM To: Steve Nutt; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Martha Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Thanks, Ian. I was wondering... On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100 Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You'll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just beg
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is one of those. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or anything. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O. Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Thanks, Ian. I was wondering... On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:22:54 +0100 Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. Youll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: >
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
It is good that one can do this, but it's sad that JAWS, the program said to be the anointed screen reader for all time, does not provide a way to adjust the synthesizer volume. On another note, it seems that help with nmouse movement and adjusting how many pixels the mouse moves with each key press is difficult to find. Yet, since I really don't worry too muich about either of these, I enjoy those things about Window-Eyes. Nontheless, I am learning my way around JAWS and getting along well. As has been stated in previous posts, there are merits and pitfalls with all screen readers. -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:47 AM To: 'Steve Nutt' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Guess what you can do the same thing in windows 7 and back to xp I believe. you -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:23 AM To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You’ll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up an
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Guess what you can do the same thing in windows 7 and back to xp I believe. you -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:23 AM To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You’ll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
That adjusts the speed, not the volume. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 12:58 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Try control - alt - page up and page down. www.harmonicaworkshops.com On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500 Richard Petty via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Petty > > -Original Message- > From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM > To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > Thanks so much. > > -Original Message- > From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM > To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was > already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with > insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. > > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD > http://lras.home.sprynet.com > -Original Message- > From: Richard Petty via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > All, > > I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very > nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. > > What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for > moving through headings, tables and other document features? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com > ] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM > To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > I talked to customer service about something related to your question > and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the > screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext > fustion 10 to > 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. > This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is > what happens to WE after WE goes away. > Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Reeva, > > Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app > central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. > I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would > be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM > To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around > for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never > promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls > Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > wrote: > > > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > > Sent: Monday, Ma
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Hi, But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole. Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press applications key, then Open Volume Mixer. Now you will see a volume specifically for JAWS. If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01 To: Richard Petty <richard.pe...@earthlink.net>; Window-Eyes DiscussionList <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You’ll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > <talk@
Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
In addition to this, if you want the setting to be permanent, press the windows key with the ctrl-alt-page up or down. On 5/22/2017 7:58 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote: Try control - alt - page up and page down. www.harmonicaworkshops.com On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500 Richard Petty via Talkwrote: Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" wrote: I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, Loy via Talk wrote: Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package. All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs. We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth
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Try control - alt - page up and page down. www.harmonicaworkshops.com On Sun, 21 May 2017 21:38:26 -0500 Richard Petty via Talkwrote: > Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead > only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If > it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Petty > > -Original Message- > From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM > To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > Thanks so much. > > -Original Message- > From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM > To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in > JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the > same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. > > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD > http://lras.home.sprynet.com > -Original Message- > From: Richard Petty via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS > > All, > > I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice > functionality for navigating MS Word documents. > > What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving > through headings, tables and other document features? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM > To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > I talked to customer service about something related to your question and > they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen > reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to > 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is > not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to > WE after WE goes away. > Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Reeva, > > Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central > but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. > I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up > and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. > > Doug > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM > To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for > those using we/the we version of zt fusion? > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" > > wrote: > > > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > > > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > > > > > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > > > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended > > > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States > > > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We > > > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product > > > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue > > > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased > > > Window-Eyes or a support package. > > > > > > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use > > > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system > > > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
How interesting. Thanks so much. From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:01 AM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes DiscussionList Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You’ll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:1
RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
This is only true with Eloquence. If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech. To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window. In the options menu, select Voices. Under that, select Voice Adjustment. You’ll be asked to select a default voice profile. Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech volume. Hope this helps. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done? Thanks in advance. Richard Petty -Original Message- From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Richard Petty via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS All, I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice functionality for navigating MS Word documents. What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving through headings, tables and other document features? Thanks in advance. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes away. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Reeva, Good question. At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice. Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion ListSubject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for those using we/the we version of zt fusion? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" wrote: > I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely. > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400, > Loy via Talk wrote: > > > > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we > > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE? > > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" > > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM > > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration > > > > > > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes > > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended > > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States > > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We > > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product > > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue > > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased > > Window-Eyes or a support package. > > > > All users who are currently using