Re: [OSM-talk-be] Some numbers on address nodes within or on building
Also noticed who commented as a first ? I'm not surprised by this. It looks better too when the housenumber is nicely centered on the building way. tx for the headsup On 2013-10-25 07:41, Marc Gemis wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/20261 I won't spoil the story by repeating the numbers here :-) m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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Oh, that address relation should contain a node with the position where the housenumber should be displayed, of course (the whole comment was tongue in cheek, i.e. only half serious) Jo 2013/10/25 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be Also noticed who commented as a first ? I'm not surprised by this. It looks better too when the housenumber is nicely centered on the building way. tx for the headsup On 2013-10-25 07:41, Marc Gemis wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/20261 I won't spoil the story by repeating the numbers here :-) m ___ Talk-be mailing listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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On 2013-10-25 09:01, Jo wrote: Oh, that address relation should contain a node with the position where the housenumber should be displayed, of course (the whole comment was tongue in cheek, i.e. only half serious) Jo Oh, wasn't trying to discredit, its good you mentioned it there, I see more voices heading the way of using relations for complex addressing schemes. But I do think many people aren't as comfortable with relations vs. just putting addr:* tags on a node/way. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
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On 2013-10-25 08:55, Glenn Plas wrote : It looks better too when the housenumber is nicely centered on the building way. I also prefer, but ... generally. Not if some other writing tries to fight for the center room, not if there are several numbers for the same way, not if it's a corner house and you want to make it very apparent to which street it belongs, not if you want to indicate an unusual entrance position... There's a huge number of systematic node addresses in France. A matter of convenience. Sounds like discussing the sex of the angels. I would much more prefer GPS routes, n° 1 app, not sending cars or bicycles where they shouldn't go. Numbers are great: You arrived at your destination, facing the number, wherever it is. Cheers, André. tx for the headsup On 2013-10-25 07:41, Marc Gemis wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/20261 I won't spoil the story by repeating the numbers here :-) m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
After reading this blog post:
https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-gps-layer/ ; I tried to add a
layer in JOSM with that same data.
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
Please let me know whether there is a better way.
It might be handy for those hidden paths in parks, forests, etc.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com
mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the same
road , my laptop fans just went nuts opening this layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined backgrounds
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public
transportation - activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com
mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the same
road , my laptop fans just went nuts opening this layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
You are right Gerard, that's the same. I only looked briefly in that list
before adding it myself.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu wrote:
**
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined
backgroundshttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public transportation
- activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.
gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the same road
, my laptop fans just went nuts opening this layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
Mooi, maar zitten de GPS traces rechtstreeks in JOSM geladen daar in ?
of zijn het enkel die in OSM geladen en goedgekeurd ?
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 17:40, Marc Gemis a écrit :
You are right Gerard, that's the same. I only looked briefly in that
list before adding it myself.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu
mailto:g...@ghia.eu wrote:
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined backgrounds
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public
transportation - activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis
marc.ge...@gmail.com mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the
same road , my laptop fans just went nuts opening this layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
Ik vermoed dat het alle traces zijn die naar OSM zijn ge-upload en
aangegeven als publiek beschikbaar. Ik geloof niet dat er een
goedkeuringsproces is. De traces die je via het GPS menu van JOSM kan
opladen komen toch in dezelfde databank terecht als dewelke je via de
website upload, of niet ?
met vriendelijke groeten
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com wrote:
Mooi, maar zitten de GPS traces rechtstreeks in JOSM geladen daar in ?
of zijn het enkel die in OSM geladen en goedgekeurd ?
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 17:40, Marc Gemis a écrit :
You are right Gerard, that's the same. I only looked briefly in that list
before adding it myself.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu wrote:
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined
backgroundshttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public transportation
- activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.comwrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.
gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the same
road , my laptop fans just went nuts opening this layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
Toen ik Potlach gebruikte moest men de GPS traces uploaden en men
controleerde of de ingeblikte datum correct was. Na een tijdje kreeg men
een bericht dat de trace beschikbaar was en kon men die gebruiken. Dit
om op kaart zelfgemaakte traces te weigeren.
In Josm kan men een trace gewoom inladen en die blijft lokaal.
In mijn account op OSM staan nog steeds met tekening en info de traces
die ik opgeladen heb.
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 20:38, Marc Gemis a écrit :
Ik vermoed dat het alle traces zijn die naar OSM zijn ge-upload en
aangegeven als publiek beschikbaar. Ik geloof niet dat er een
goedkeuringsproces is. De traces die je via het GPS menu van JOSM kan
opladen komen toch in dezelfde databank terecht als dewelke je via de
website upload, of niet ?
met vriendelijke groeten
m
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mailto:sus...@gmail.com wrote:
Mooi, maar zitten de GPS traces rechtstreeks in JOSM geladen daar
in ? of zijn het enkel die in OSM geladen en goedgekeurd ?
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 17:40, Marc Gemis a écrit :
You are right Gerard, that's the same. I only looked briefly in
that list before adding it myself.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu
mailto:g...@ghia.eu wrote:
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined backgrounds
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public
transportation - activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis
marc.ge...@gmail.com mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of
the same road , my laptop fans just went nuts opening this
layer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GPX Track layer in JOSM
Het gaat hier dus om alle traces die men upload (en nadien het bericht van
krijgt via mail). Volgens het artikel zouden de gegevens van die laag zelfs
om de 60 seconden ververst worden.
2013/10/25 Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com
Toen ik Potlach gebruikte moest men de GPS traces uploaden en men
controleerde of de ingeblikte datum correct was. Na een tijdje kreeg men
een bericht dat de trace beschikbaar was en kon men die gebruiken. Dit om
op kaart zelfgemaakte traces te weigeren.
In Josm kan men een trace gewoom inladen en die blijft lokaal.
In mijn account op OSM staan nog steeds met tekening en info de traces die
ik opgeladen heb.
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 20:38, Marc Gemis a écrit :
Ik vermoed dat het alle traces zijn die naar OSM zijn ge-upload en
aangegeven als publiek beschikbaar. Ik geloof niet dat er een
goedkeuringsproces is. De traces die je via het GPS menu van JOSM kan
opladen komen toch in dezelfde databank terecht als dewelke je via de
website upload, of niet ?
met vriendelijke groeten
m
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Verhoeven Fr sus...@gmail.com wrote:
Mooi, maar zitten de GPS traces rechtstreeks in JOSM geladen daar in ?
of zijn het enkel die in OSM geladen en goedgekeurd ?
Sus
Le 25/10/2013 17:40, Marc Gemis a écrit :
You are right Gerard, that's the same. I only looked briefly in that list
before adding it myself.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu wrote:
Why to use this?
It is already present in the predefined
backgroundshttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/Imagery.
Setup: edit - preferences- wms/tms - the one before public
transportation - activate - ok
Use: imagery - openstreetmap gps traces
Regards,
Gerard.
Glenn Plas wrote:
On 2013-10-25 13:26, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.comwrote:
The following url seems to work:
tms:http://{switch:a,b,c}.
gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/{zoom}/{x}/{y}http://gps-tile.openstreetmap.org/lines/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D
Nice! :-)
Very nice. I also see I've made one too many GPS tracks of the same
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Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo for Changesets?
I wrote a bit of python a while ago to shove the weekly changeset dump into a postgres database where you can query tags. There is no snazzy front end for it though. https://github.com/ToeBee/ChangesetMD Toby On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: Is there an equivalent of taginfo for the tags in changesets? Short of that is there a search facility for changeset tags? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas
On 23/10/2013 10:01, Pieren wrote: But I can say that tagging each lane with highway=motorway + lanes=1 is incorrect and seems to be tagging for the renderer (just to show the toll on mapnik) There's nothing wrong with that. It's mapped accurately as individual lanes clarified with the lanes=* tag. All elements are tagged for the renderer How else would they know how to render them? What shouldn't be done is tagging incorrectly to get it to render, such as labelling a golf bunker as a beach to get it to appear yellow. I'm surprised someone with your OSM experience needs to be reminded of this. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 23/10/2013 13:00, Martin Raifer wrote: There is another complication with this kind of lane mapping: At many motorway toll areas, not all toll booths are open all the time. Often even the allowed traffic direction through the individual booths is changed dynamically to meet asymmetric demand! Then accurately mapping individual tool booths makes it clear that there are multiple booths to choose from. See also original post. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Am 25.10.2013 17:04, schrieb Dave F.: On 23/10/2013 10:01, Pieren wrote: But I can say that tagging each lane with highway=motorway + lanes=1 is incorrect and seems to be tagging for the renderer (just to show the toll on mapnik) There's nothing wrong with that. It's mapped accurately as individual lanes clarified with the lanes=* tag. As long as there is no physical separation you should use the :lanes system and only use separate ways for the individual booths. All elements are tagged for the renderer How else would they know how to render them? What shouldn't be done is tagging incorrectly to get it to render, such as labelling a golf bunker as a beach to get it to appear yellow. I'm surprised someone with your OSM experience needs to be reminded of this. Well, as long as the renderer do not respect width=* or lanes=* people will experiment and rendering is not the only purpose. You can do quite a lot more things with a geodata base. I do not want to tag for the renderer (e.g. I do not add area=yes on any multipolygon and closed ways which make no sense to not be interpreted as area). I even did open a bug report about it against carto only to have it closed as other software. cu fly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: What shouldn't be done is tagging incorrectly to get it to render, such as labelling a golf bunker as a beach to get it to appear yellow. Or tagging each lane as an individual carriageway. We duplicate highway=* only with physical separators which is not the case here until the individual booth. Vehicles can switch from one lane to the next at any time. I'm surprised someone with your OSM experience needs to be reminded of this. We will say it's your Friday evening tiredness.. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wikipedia article
Hi, The MIT technology review just published this article on Wikipedia. http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/ It is sport criticizing Wikipedia, but two things stuck out. Wikipedia is trying to get more editors. However, they seem to have some additional problems that OSM does not have. Wikipedia failed to roll out the new GUI article editor. If you read the discussion on hacker news, and Slashdot. http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/23/1643228/wikipedias-participation-problem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6612638 It seems like Wikipedia has revert first policy on questionable edits. It makes it unpleasant to start with the project, since probably every bodies first edits are questionable. OSM policy/culture of discussing a change *before* reverting is really good thing. Jason ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas
Unfortunately http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Divided_highways is one of the most misunderstood editing standards in OSM. Originally intended to make sure that motorways and other highways would be tagged as separate ways, the 'physical separation' almost seems like a settled law by some mappers. For the toll area: it's indeed true that for a distance of say 10 meters there is a physical separation. That by the way also happens at fuel stations. And in both these situations it's more like an area in which one is able to drive one way than visible highways. Map a highway as long as it's visible. If it's not, than don't map it. 2013/10/25 colliar colliar4e...@aol.com Am 25.10.2013 17:04, schrieb Dave F.: On 23/10/2013 10:01, Pieren wrote: But I can say that tagging each lane with highway=motorway + lanes=1 is incorrect and seems to be tagging for the renderer (just to show the toll on mapnik) There's nothing wrong with that. It's mapped accurately as individual lanes clarified with the lanes=* tag. As long as there is no physical separation you should use the :lanes system and only use separate ways for the individual booths. All elements are tagged for the renderer How else would they know how to render them? What shouldn't be done is tagging incorrectly to get it to render, such as labelling a golf bunker as a beach to get it to appear yellow. I'm surprised someone with your OSM experience needs to be reminded of this. Well, as long as the renderer do not respect width=* or lanes=* people will experiment and rendering is not the only purpose. You can do quite a lot more things with a geodata base. I do not want to tag for the renderer (e.g. I do not add area=yes on any multipolygon and closed ways which make no sense to not be interpreted as area). I even did open a bug report about it against carto only to have it closed as other software. cu fly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia article
I wrote an article somewhat in the same vein: http://macwright.org/2013/10/15/point-and-shoot.html Perhaps something to note is that, beyond technical and policy issues, one of the more common complaints about Wikipedia is that there's an unfriendly, elitist attitude amongst the established editors. My article asks for some relatively deep changes to infrastructure and user experience, but the more actionable and immediately useful thing that everyone can do is to be friendly. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, The MIT technology review just published this article on Wikipedia. http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/ It is sport criticizing Wikipedia, but two things stuck out. Wikipedia is trying to get more editors. However, they seem to have some additional problems that OSM does not have. Wikipedia failed to roll out the new GUI article editor. If you read the discussion on hacker news, and Slashdot. http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/23/1643228/wikipedias-participation-problem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6612638 It seems like Wikipedia has revert first policy on questionable edits. It makes it unpleasant to start with the project, since probably every bodies first edits are questionable. OSM policy/culture of discussing a change *before* reverting is really good thing. Jason ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas
Am 25.10.2013 um 17:42 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Or tagging each lane as an individual carriageway. We duplicate highway=* only with physical separators which is not the case here until the individual booth. Vehicles can switch from one lane to the next at any time. The physically divided part of the lane is a bit longer than just the booth: http://binged.it/1ij4lEH ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia article
Hi Tom Your blog post is very interesting. Just in case anybody thinks that the rapid growth of OSM is inevitable at this point, this study shows how Wikipedia turned off its growth like a switch when they starting clamping down on first time editors. Since 2007 the number of active editors has actually decreased. http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ Unless the map in your area is 100% perfect and complete, be extra nice to those new editors! Jason On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: I wrote an article somewhat in the same vein: http://macwright.org/2013/10/15/point-and-shoot.html Perhaps something to note is that, beyond technical and policy issues, one of the more common complaints about Wikipedia is that there's an unfriendly, elitist attitude amongst the established editors. My article asks for some relatively deep changes to infrastructure and user experience, but the more actionable and immediately useful thing that everyone can do is to be friendly. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The MIT technology review just published this article on Wikipedia. http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/ It is sport criticizing Wikipedia, but two things stuck out. Wikipedia is trying to get more editors. However, they seem to have some additional problems that OSM does not have. Wikipedia failed to roll out the new GUI article editor. If you read the discussion on hacker news, and Slashdot. http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/23/1643228/wikipedias-participation-problem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6612638 It seems like Wikipedia has revert first policy on questionable edits. It makes it unpleasant to start with the project, since probably every bodies first edits are questionable. OSM policy/culture of discussing a change *before* reverting is really good thing. Jason ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Procurar nós no meio de uma via
Opa pessoal, alguém sabe me dizer como fazer um filtro que mostre nós que estejam no meio de uma via, só a dividindo, mas não estejam ligados a outra via? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Procurar nós no meio de uma via
Ver https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/22384/highlight-untagged-and-unconnected-nodes-in-a-way ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Procurar nós no meio de uma via
Obrigadão, amanhã ou depois testarei essa parte do CSS que ainda nunca mexi. 2013/10/25 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com Ver https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/22384/highlight-untagged-and-unconnected-nodes-in-a-way ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
On 13-10-24 18:43, cracklinrain wrote: Wie gebt ihr Namen oder Hausnummern in die OSM ein, wenn sie nicht mit der Schreibweise der entsprechenden amtlichen Liste übereinstimmen? Ich persönlich ziehe es vor, die korrekte Schreibweise zu verwenden - vor dem Hintergrund, dass jemand, der etwas SUCHT, nicht die falsche Schreibweise verwendet, sondern die wohl richtige. Zusätzlich gebe ich die falsche als alternative Schreibweise ein, egal ob die aus einer amtlichen Liste stammt oder vor Ort so auf dem Straßenschild steht. Beispiele: * Es gibt diverse Fälle, wo an einem Ende der Straße ein anderes Schild steht als am anderen. * Manche Gemeinden vergeben falsche Namen, aus Unkenntnis der richtigen Schreibweise. Das wird irgendwann dann mal korrigiert, oder auch nicht. Typische Beispiele: Gerhard-Hauptmann-Straße vs. Gerhart-Hauptmann-Straße, Bismarkstraße vs. Bismarckstraße, Elsa Brandström vs. Elsa Brändström, Straßen mit Sonderzeichen (Bartók vs. Bartok), Getrenntschreibung. * aktuell sehr beliebt ist vorauseilender Gehorsam mit automatischer Korrektur der Rechtschreibung, wo z.B. aus dem jahrhundertealten Schloßweg durch die Rechtschreibprüfung der Schlossweg wurde - und ich die alte Schreibweise beibehalte. Als ich das letzte Mal nachsah, da hat die Straßenlistenauswertung ss vs. ß bemängelt. Persönlich unterscheide ich das vorerst nicht als Fehler. * Konkret gibt es hier in der Nachbarschaft die Straße Steinmatten im Ortsteil Wildtal, Gemeinde Gundelfingen, Landkreis Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald. Diese Straße führt ein paar Häuser über die Gemeinde- und Landkreisgrenze hinaus. Die Stadt Freiburg führt sie als Steinmattenstraße in deren amtlichem Verzeichnis. Was ist nun also die richtige Schreibweise Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
Moin, Am 24.10.2013 18:43, schrieb cracklinrain: Wie gebt ihr Namen oder Hausnummern in die OSM ein, wenn sie nicht mit der Schreibweise der entsprechenden amtlichen Liste übereinstimmen? Generell gilt: Auch amtliche Listen werden nur von Menschen gepflegt - und können Schreibfehler enthalten. Und werden hin und wieder auch mal wieder geändert. Hintergrund ist: Ich habe in den letzten Tagen die Straßenvergleichsliste in Bremen (http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/wiki/index.php?title=Bremen) ein wenig gepflegt und dabei die Einzelnen Fälle von Differenzen unterschieden. Nun gibt es solche harten Abweichungen wie In'n Dörp (vor Ort) und In n Dörp (amtliche Liste), Blende z.B. mal die Spalte E ein - die gehen da auf Nummer Sicher.;-) oder Wurtmannplatz (vor Ort) und Johann-Wurtmann-Platz (amtliche Liste). Da solltest Du mal die aktuelle Liste neu abrufen - haben sie schon angepasst - ob nun der Widmung oder der Realität sei mal dahingestellt. Teilweise waren auch groß- und Kleinschreibung anders. Echt menschlich halt. Aber zum Wesentlichen: Auch ich halte Vor Ort Liste - bzw. mit entsprechendem alt_name. Kann man nach der evtl. Schilderänderung ja wieder anpassen. ;-) Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
On 13-10-24 18:43, cracklinrain wrote: Wie gebt ihr Namen oder Hausnummern in die OSM ein, wenn sie nicht mit der Schreibweise der entsprechenden amtlichen Liste übereinstimmen? Hintergrund ist: Ich habe in den letzten Tagen die Straßenvergleichsliste in Bremen (http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/wiki/index.php?title=Bremen) ein wenig gepflegt und dabei die Einzelnen Fälle von Differenzen unterschieden. Nun gibt es solche harten Abweichungen wie In'n Dörp (vor Ort) und In n Dörp (amtliche Liste), Friedrich-Meier-Weg (vor Ort) und Fritz-Meier-Weg (amtliche Liste) oder Wurtmannplatz (vor Ort) und Johann-Wurtmann-Platz (amtliche Liste). Teilweise waren auch groß- und Kleinschreibung anders. Gewissensfragen, wo ich mich in Bremen anders entschieden habe: * Getrenntschreibung / Bindestriche Airbus-AlleeAirbusallee Am Kaffee-Quartier Am Kaffeequartier Am Weser-Terminal Am Weserterminal Bordeaux-Str. Bordeauxstr. Bodenwerderstr. Bodenwerder Str. Braut-EichenBrauteichen Dudweilerstr. Dudweiler Str. Nantes-Str. Nantesstr. Sankt-Gallener-Str. Sankt Gallener Str. Störtebeker-Weg Störtebekerweg * Zeichensalat An´n GraabenAn'n Graaben In n Dörp In'n Dörp To n Böversten DiekkampeTo'n Böversten Diekkampe ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
Am 25.10.2013 11:15, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Gewissensfragen, wo ich mich in Bremen anders entschieden habe: * Getrenntschreibung / Bindestriche Airbus-AlleeAirbusallee warum eigentlich nicht beides? Grüße aus der Eifel Steffen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
On 13-10-25 13:45, Steffen Heinz wrote: Am 25.10.2013 11:15, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Gewissensfragen, wo ich mich in Bremen anders entschieden habe: * Getrenntschreibung / Bindestriche Airbus-AlleeAirbusallee warum eigentlich nicht beides? Eben - ich schreibe Airbusallee und habe als alt_name die Airbus-Allee. Der amtliche Name ist die Airbus-Allee - aber die normgerechte Schreibweise ist mir lieber. In dem Fall dürfte aber auch vor Ort Airbus-Allee stehen - weshalb das sicherlich dort auch so gemapped ist Deshalb, unabhängig von meinen persönlichen Vorlieben, gehört da eher die Airbus-Allee hin - denn das ist wenn auch nicht schön, so doch auch nicht grundfalsch. Anders ist's z.B. bei der Johann-Phillipp-Palm-Str., die Johann-Philipp-Palm-Str. heißt Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
Vielen Dank soweit für eure Antworten! Bisher sehen die meisten Mapper das also so, dass der Name vor Ort im name-Tag eingetragen werden sollte. Ich stimme dieser Haltung/Lösung grundsätzlich zu. Nachdem ich mir nun weiter darüber Gedanken gemacht habe, würde ich auch sagen, dass die Schilder aufstellende Autorität schließlich auch seine Rolle erfüllen muss, amtlich korrekte Schilder aufzustellen. Ist ja eigentlich ein Witz, wenn sich da irgendwer rausreden kann. Weiteres: * Der Punkt zur falschen Schreibweise ist natürlich noch einmal sehr pikant. Ich finde das (falsche Schreibweisen zu korrigieren) selber auch nicht falsch so. Grundsätzlich halte ich diese Gedanken (was man machen soll, wenn vor Ort und in der amtlichen Liste der Name nicht richtig ist) für wichtig. Ich selber würde diese couragierte bzw. kritische Haltung ungerne auch noch annehmen, da das unglaublich viele Diskussionen hervorrufen würde (siehe H.-H.-Meier-Allee in Bremen: Wenn man Abkürzungen in OSM für falsch hält, hat man da einen schweren Stand, siehe history zum ältesten Abschnitt). * Angenommen vor Ort fehlt das Schild, weil es geklaut oder umgefahren wurde. Vielleicht sogar durch ein privates Schild ersetzt wurde. Dann müssten wir in OSM auch klären, ob der Name vor Ort oder der alte Name nun genommen wird. (Entschuldigt die theoretische Natur meines Falles.) * @Martin: Am 25.10.2013 08:55, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Ich persönlich ziehe es vor, die korrekte Schreibweise zu verwenden - vor dem Hintergrund, dass jemand, der etwas SUCHT, nicht die falsche Schreibweise verwendet, sondern die wohl richtige. Über diese Variante hatte ich mir aufgrund der Diskussion in Bremen noch gar keine Gedanken gemacht. Das müsste aber nach meinem aktuellen Informationsstand von einigen Bremer Mappern vehement abgelehnt werden. Zusätzlich gebe ich die falsche als alternative Schreibweise ein, egal ob die aus einer amtlichen Liste stammt oder vor Ort so auf dem Straßenschild steht. Beispiele: * Es gibt diverse Fälle, wo an einem Ende der Straße ein anderes Schild steht als am anderen. Das stimmt. Allerdings wäre ich mir dann selber nicht sicher und würde hoffen, dass es nicht mehr als 3 Varianten gibt. Um überhaupt erst einmal alle Varianten in der OSM zu haben. * Manche Gemeinden vergeben falsche Namen, aus Unkenntnis der richtigen Schreibweise. Das wird irgendwann dann mal korrigiert, oder auch nicht. Typische Beispiele: Gerhard-Hauptmann-Straße vs. Gerhart-Hauptmann-Straße, Bismarkstraße vs. Bismarckstraße, Elsa Brandström vs. Elsa Brändström, Straßen mit Sonderzeichen (Bartók vs. Bartok), Getrenntschreibung. * aktuell sehr beliebt ist vorauseilender Gehorsam mit automatischer Korrektur der Rechtschreibung, wo z.B. aus dem jahrhundertealten Schloßweg durch die Rechtschreibprüfung der Schlossweg wurde - und ich die alte Schreibweise beibehalte. Das könnte man dann aber auch gut durch old_name lösen. Das wäre für mich jeden Falls nicht leicht zu begründen, weshalb OSM nun nicht die vor Ort und auch nicht die im amtlichen Verzeichnis nimmt. Als ich das letzte Mal nachsah, da hat die Straßenlistenauswertung ss vs. ß bemängelt. Persönlich unterscheide ich das vorerst nicht als Fehler. Ist das ß dann auch vor Ort ersetzt? * Konkret gibt es hier in der Nachbarschaft die Straße Steinmatten im Ortsteil Wildtal, Gemeinde Gundelfingen, Landkreis Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald. Diese Straße führt ein paar Häuser über die Gemeinde- und Landkreisgrenze hinaus. Die Stadt Freiburg führt sie als Steinmattenstraße in deren amtlichem Verzeichnis. Was ist nun also die richtige Schreibweise In Bremen könnte es auch solche Fälle geben. Es werden zumindest Straßen geführt, die selbst nicht in Bremen liegen, aber dessen Bebauung. So etwas wird es wohl in nahezu jedem Ort geben. Am 25.10.2013 11:15, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Gewissensfragen, wo ich mich in Bremen anders entschieden habe: * Getrenntschreibung / Bindestriche Airbus-Allee Airbusallee Am Kaffee-QuartierAm Kaffeequartier Am Weser-Terminal Am Weserterminal Bordeaux-Str. Bordeauxstr. Bodenwerderstr. Bodenwerder Str. Braut-Eichen Brauteichen Dudweilerstr. Dudweiler Str. Nantes-Str. Nantesstr. Sankt-Gallener-Str. Sankt Gallener Str. Störtebeker-Weg Störtebekerweg * Zeichensalat An´n Graaben An'n Graaben In n Dörp In'n Dörp To n Böversten Diekkampe To'n Böversten Diekkampe Ich bin mir nicht sicher was du meinst. Meinst du, dass du diese Schreibweise entsprechend deinem Vorschlag in OSM ändern würdest? Am 25.10.2013 14:55, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Deshalb, unabhängig von meinen persönlichen Vorlieben, gehört da eher die Airbus-Allee hin - denn das ist wenn auch nicht schön, so doch auch nicht grundfalsch. Deine Haltung finde ich auf jeden Fall toll: Wir sollten auch gelegentlich mal abwägen zwischen der Arbeitsweise wie wir bei OSM bisher gearbeitet haben und dessen Alternativen.
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
On 13-10-25 14:55, Martin Trautmann wrote: In dem Fall dürfte aber auch vor Ort Airbus-Allee stehen - weshalb das sicherlich dort auch so gemapped ist Google: 4040x Airbusallee 7040x Airbus-Allee 7040x Airbus Allee ... bei den letzten beiden Fällen unterscheidet mein Google nicht zwischen Airbus-Allee und Airbus Allee. Die Suchergebnisse zeigen beide Varianten, wie auch Airbus - Allee. Gebräuchlich ist also, wie üblich, jegliche Variante. Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
On 13-10-25 15:17, cracklinrain wrote: * Zeichensalat An´n Graaben An'n Graaben In n DörpIn'n Dörp To n Böversten Diekkampe To'n Böversten Diekkampe Ich bin mir nicht sicher was du meinst. Meinst du, dass du diese Schreibweise entsprechend deinem Vorschlag in OSM ändern würdest? In den drei Fällen betrachte ich die rechte als die richtige. Was vor Ort steht weiss ich nicht - ich hoffe, die rechte, richtige. Die amtlichen Listen sind hier einfach falsch. Wegen solcher Straßen wie Nantes-Str. und Bordeaux-Str. könnte man die Stadt fragen, was sie sich dabei gedacht hat. Nur weil ein Wort französisch ausgesprochen werden soll rechtfertigt das noch keine Getrenntschreibung. Und die Fälle von Störtebeker-Weg, Sankt-Gallener-Straße usw. legen nahe, dass die Leute dort mal einen Duden bräuchten. In allen diesen Fällen muss man wohl die Schreibweise so akzeptieren. Aber die richtige würde ich als alt_name ergänzt haben wollen. Sobald die Gemeinde den Fehler einsieht und korrigiert - was bei unbewohnten Straßen leichter fällt - muss man dann für OSM nachziehen. Die falsche wandert dann wohl nach old_name. Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] RadioOSM: OSMDE023 …und benutzt endlich mal das verdammte Wiki!
Hallo liebe OpenStreetMapper, die neuste Folge von RadioOSM - OSMDE023 …und benutzt endlich mal das verdammte Wiki! - ist verfügbar und sollte in Kürze in euren Podcatchern auftauchen. Natürlich könnt ihr diese Folge auch in unserem Blog hören: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2013/10/osmde023-und-benutzt-endlich-mal-das-verdammte-wiki/ Dort findet ihr auch Links zu allen Themen, über die wir gespochen haben. Viel Spaß damit und Liebe Grüße, euer RadioOSM Team - Andi, Marc und Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Daten
Am 25.10.2013 22:21, schrieb Martin Trautmann: On 13-10-25 15:17, cracklinrain wrote: * Zeichensalat An´n GraabenAn'n Graaben In n Dörp In'n Dörp To n Böversten DiekkampeTo'n Böversten Diekkampe Ich bin mir nicht sicher was du meinst. Meinst du, dass du diese Schreibweise entsprechend deinem Vorschlag in OSM ändern würdest? In den drei Fällen betrachte ich die rechte als die richtige. Was vor Ort steht weiss ich nicht - ich hoffe, die rechte, richtige. Die amtlichen Listen sind hier einfach falsch. Ja das ist auch vor Ort anders. Liegt aber natürlich auch nahe, dass das vorliegende Dokument der amtlichen Liste hier nicht korrekt ist. Schließlich geht es hier um Sonderzeichen und EDV. Wegen solcher Straßen wie Nantes-Str. und Bordeaux-Str. könnte man die Stadt fragen, was sie sich dabei gedacht hat. Nur weil ein Wort französisch ausgesprochen werden soll rechtfertigt das noch keine Getrenntschreibung. Und die Fälle von Störtebeker-Weg, Sankt-Gallener-Straße usw. legen nahe, dass die Leute dort mal einen Duden bräuchten. Ah verstehe. Hätte ich natürlich drauf kommen können. Intuitiv stimme ich deiner Kritik zu, daher werde ich Vorschläge als alt_name in die OSM eintragen. Ich habe nun einen Abschnitt in der Doku über die Vergleichsliste angefügt, in dem diese Fälle dokumentiert werden können. So etwas wird uns in jedem Fall im Falle einer Änderung die Wartung erleichtern, denke ich. In allen diesen Fällen muss man wohl die Schreibweise so akzeptieren. Aber die richtige würde ich als alt_name ergänzt haben wollen. Da stimme ich auch zu. Siehe auch oben. Sobald die Gemeinde den Fehler einsieht und korrigiert - was bei unbewohnten Straßen leichter fällt - muss man dann für OSM nachziehen. Die falsche wandert dann wohl nach old_name. Das wäre natürlich insgesamt wünschenswert, den Ämtern diese Transparenz zu bieten - schließlich bieten sie uns in dem Rahmen den die Politik ihnen einräumt sicherlich schon viel! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Caselli autostradali Autostrada del Sole: discussione talk-osm
Uno della zona dovrebbe scrivere all'autore. Mappa nella Repubblica Ceca. Oltre alle tante corsie mancano anche i toll_booths. Il problema mi sembra anche che non abbiamo un consenso in Italia come mappare i caselli :-( vedi https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT_talk:Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth 2013/10/25 Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com Ciao, avete notato che c'è un'interessante discussione nella ML internazionale sul tagging di un casello autostradale italiano? :) https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2013-** October/068393.htmlhttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-October/068393.html Leonardo __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
Il 23/10/2013 14:49, Stefano Salvador ha scritto: quindi, dopo un breve scambio di mail un utente si è sentito in diritto di cominciare a fare cambiamenti rilevanti alla mappa ... apparentemente senza capire che OSM non è solo una mappa come G ma un DB in cui la valorizzazione delle varie informazioni si può fare in mille modi diversi ... andiamo bene. Come ha già spiegato lui, questi cambiamenti li aveva già fatti prima, quando non conosceva ancora l'esistenza della mailing list; una volta che ne ha avuto notizia è venuto a chiedere un parere e nonostante all'inizio pareva esserci unanimità ha comunque atteso che venissero fuori le varie posizioni. E pur se la maggioranza di chi ha risposto è possibilista non ha comunque proseguito con i cambiamenti... Considerando che non c'è nessun obbligo di chiedere permessi e che il fare cambiamenti alla mappa è il motivo per cui uno si registra direi che non ha fatto nulla di biasimevole... Il 23/10/2013 17:45, Davio ha scritto: Io procederei così: Mettere il doppio nome solo quando esso compare anche negli atti ufficiali dell'amministrazione in questione, per tutti gli altri casi si usa il tag name:xx per differenziare le varie lingue e in name si mette solo il nome in italiano. Intendi dire che nell'atto ufficiale deve comparire, in qualsiasi lingua sia scritto l'atto, la doppia denominazione o ti basta che se l'atto è scritto in italiano viene usato solo il toponimo italiano e se scritto in altra lingua viene usato solo l'altro? ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
Se negli atti ufficiali compare il nome bilingue, si mette anche nel tag name. Se esistono solo documenti in italiano o solo in un'altra lingua (cosa che reputo assai improbabile), si mette in name solo il nome in italiano o dell'altra lingua. Mi sembra il modo più equo per evitare la continua guerra dei doppi nomi. Davide - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Standardizzazione-toponimi-bilingui-della-Sardegna-ed-adattamento-al-modello-altoadesino-tp5781816p5782847.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] su.openstreetmap.it
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Re: [Talk-it] la basilicata esiste
Quindi la escludo dallo script che rimuove gli oggetti inesistenti? Rimangono solo più Rovigo e il Molise? :-) Bella notizia, e buon lavoro a tutti i mappatori lucani! Ciao, Simone Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 15:29, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: Ho le prove, Stamattina ho chiamato in Regione Basilicata per avere una delucidazione relativa ai termini d'uso delle ortofoto (volo 2011) presenti qui: http://rsdi.regione.basilicata.it/web/guest/mappe-in-linea Ecco la risposta ricevuta dalla Regione: la direttiva INSPIRE, recepita dallo stato Italia, ma anche tutta la normativa sull'open data, obbliga le pubbliche amministrazioni a mettere a disposizione degli utenti quanto non coperto da privacy o copyright. Pertanto non ci sono restrizioni nell'utilizzo del servizio che la regione ha predisposto, anche per vostre successive elaborazioni che restano ovviamente di vostra completa responsabilità. PS: un grazie a Piersoft per avermi segnalato la cosa e per avere preso il primo contatto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] la basilicata esiste
Ho le prove, Stamattina ho chiamato in Regione Basilicata per avere una delucidazione relativa ai termini d'uso delle ortofoto (volo 2011) presenti qui: http://rsdi.regione.basilicata.it/web/guest/mappe-in-linea Ecco la risposta ricevuta dalla Regione: la direttiva INSPIRE, recepita dallo stato Italia, ma anche tutta la normativa sull'open data, obbliga le pubbliche amministrazioni a mettere a disposizione degli utenti quanto non coperto da privacy o copyright. Pertanto non ci sono restrizioni nell'utilizzo del servizio che la regione ha predisposto, anche per vostre successive elaborazioni che restano ovviamente di vostra completa responsabilità. PS: un grazie a Piersoft per avermi segnalato la cosa e per avere preso il primo contatto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] la basilicata esiste
Aspetta prima di cancellarla. Si comunica che la consultazione delle informazioni contenute è vincolata alla preventiva visione ed accettazione della seguente informativa: il servizio ha un carattere puramente sperimentale; i dati pubblicati tramite il servizio WMS, derivati dagli originali, nonsono probatori ai fini legali, hanno uno scopo puramente divulgativo e nonassumono in nessun caso carattere di ufficialità; non è consentita la duplicazione, la distribuzione, la riproduzione,anche parziale, dei dati pubblicati; la Regione Basilicata declina ogni responsabilità riguardo l’utilizzometrico dei dati pubblicati; la Regione Basilicata declina ogni responsabilità riguardo l’eventualeutilizzo dei dati pubblicati. Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 15:34, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.comha scritto: Quindi la escludo dallo script che rimuove gli oggetti inesistenti? Rimangono solo più Rovigo e il Molise? :-) Bella notizia, e buon lavoro a tutti i mappatori lucani! Ciao, Simone Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 15:29, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: Ho le prove, Stamattina ho chiamato in Regione Basilicata per avere una delucidazione relativa ai termini d'uso delle ortofoto (volo 2011) presenti qui: http://rsdi.regione.basilicata.it/web/guest/mappe-in-linea Ecco la risposta ricevuta dalla Regione: la direttiva INSPIRE, recepita dallo stato Italia, ma anche tutta la normativa sull'open data, obbliga le pubbliche amministrazioni a mettere a disposizione degli utenti quanto non coperto da privacy o copyright. Pertanto non ci sono restrizioni nell'utilizzo del servizio che la regione ha predisposto, anche per vostre successive elaborazioni che restano ovviamente di vostra completa responsabilità. PS: un grazie a Piersoft per avermi segnalato la cosa e per avere preso il primo contatto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] la basilicata esiste
2013/10/25 Francesco Pelullo f.pelu...@gmail.com: la Regione Basilicata declina ogni responsabilità riguardo l’utilizzometrico dei dati pubblicati; la Regione Basilicata declina ogni responsabilità riguardo l’eventualeutilizzo dei dati pubblicati. significa che la mappa sara' immaginaria, un po' come quella della Terra di Mezzo di Tolkien. e che non puoi fare routing in una regione che non esiste. :) -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] su.openstreetmap.it
Bello! Si può aggiungere la possibilità di segnalare parcheggio biciclette e stazione del bikesharing? A che punto è la webapp? Con webruntime environment basterebbe una versione mobile del sito per farci un app con solo html css e javascript. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
Il 25/10/2013 14:37, Davio ha scritto: Se negli atti ufficiali compare il nome bilingue, si mette anche nel tag name. Se esistono solo documenti in italiano o solo in un'altra lingua (cosa che reputo assai improbabile), si mette in name solo il nome in italiano o dell'altra lingua. Mi sembra il modo più equo per evitare la continua guerra dei doppi nomi. Provo a riformulare la domanda, magari con un esempio si capisce meglio: Nell'atto ufficiale deve esserci scritto Bolzano/Bozen sia che l'atto sia scritto in italiano sia che sia scritto in tedesco, oppure è sufficiente che nell'atto in tedesco sia scritto solo Bozen e su quello in italiano solo Bolzano? ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] su.openstreetmap.it
Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 16:09, Fabri erfab...@gmail.com ha scritto: Bello! Si può aggiungere la possibilità di segnalare parcheggio biciclette e stazione del bikesharing? A che punto è la webapp? Con webruntime environment basterebbe una versione mobile del sito per farci un app con solo html css e javascript. La app è già solo in html,css e js... Ed è responsive, quindi visibile anche da cellulare. Ho inserito le due voci che hai chiesto... Ciao, Stefano __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
Per me è sufficiente la seconda condizione, la prima mi sembra troppo restrittiva. Davide. - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Standardizzazione-toponimi-bilingui-della-Sardegna-ed-adattamento-al-modello-altoadesino-tp5781816p5782878.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
Leggo oggi questo articolo sulla giornale del CAI: http://www.loscarpone.cai.it/news/items/ammappa-litalia.html Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Informazione.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Per Conoscenza. Lista nazionale openstreetmap Italia. Salve, ho appena letto l'articolo cui metto il link: http://www.loscarpone.cai.it/news/items/ammappa-litalia.html Avrei piacere di sapere, cortesemente, quale tipo di licenza viene rilasciata per quei dati? E soprattutto, in quanto sono anche mappatore Openstreetmap oltre che socio Sat/CAI Trentino, sezione Borgo Valsugana, per maggiore trasparenza, oltre le intenzioni, chi si occupa della gestione dei dati e ove si può leggere del progetto avviato, in quanto, scusandomi per la mia ignoranza di ciò, non ho notato sulle recenti riviste nessuna discussione avviata, nè sentita, a riguardo questo progetto, che non mi sembra di sembra di secondo piano, inoltre sul sito del CAI (cai.it), usando il semplice motore di ricerca con la parola ammappa, non rivela nessuna notizia a riguardo. Cortesemente chiedo delucidazioni quanto soprascritte. Cordiali saluti Simone Girardelli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqq+kACgkQoVS0hKoD3PNgkAD8CvO3m1tJarWVi7rFiWfeUmyf JLzkLd5suvRhWmT9zFoBAIOR259zP1qejSUDDNWjiC5ezHYmhufZpOxjqkXN8VPG =YpPt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 19:19, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto: Leggo oggi questo articolo sulla giornale del CAI: http://www.loscarpone.cai.it/news/items/ammappa-litalia.html Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Ho mandato una mail, di cui copia dovrebbe comparire in questa lista. - -- Simone Girardelli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqrBYACgkQoVS0hKoD3POEUgD/V3tbQQKvYaS0QRbGjFRlyYQt MkKdvGKPKWCt8eOiiQQA/2ncOHBmWgHSukl5WvLATLAJBahCanUpBJcP9SobMiLh =swJ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
E' arrivata oggi la notizia con la newsletter di Il Movimento Lento. Il sito di riferimento è questo: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/ La licenza mi sembra ok. Ciao /niubii/ Il 25/ott/2013 19:37 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 19:19, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto: Leggo oggi questo articolo sulla giornale del CAI: http://www.loscarpone.cai.it/news/items/ammappa-litalia.html Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Ho mandato una mail, di cui copia dovrebbe comparire in questa lista. - -- Simone Girardelli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqrBYACgkQoVS0hKoD3POEUgD/V3tbQQKvYaS0QRbGjFRlyYQt MkKdvGKPKWCt8eOiiQQA/2ncOHBmWgHSukl5WvLATLAJBahCanUpBJcP9SobMiLh =swJ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 20:08, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto: E' arrivata oggi la notizia con la newsletter di Il Movimento Lento. Il sito di riferimento è questo: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/ La licenza mi sembra ok. a me non sembra mica tanto ok: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/il-progetto/ Obbliga a dichiarare dove si è preso il contenuto, mica si scherza qua! - -- Simone Girardelli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqtCsACgkQoVS0hKoD3PMZwgD/VuJ5jXXQCtzMLlAEitQ32V71 2YrXsVMHi/PG+7bxRMcA/3n0breVp/q0fDkrMNG8+kHS4t2BwK5qHEt/7atArtcb =9QdY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
2013/10/25 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 20:08, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto: E' arrivata oggi la notizia con la newsletter di Il Movimento Lento. Il sito di riferimento è questo: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/ La licenza mi sembra ok. a me non sembra mica tanto ok: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/il-progetto/ Obbliga a dichiarare dove si è preso il contenuto, mica si scherza qua! Leggo a fondo pagina: Ammappa l’Italia è un progetto di Marco Saverio Loperfido. I dati di Ammappa l’Italia sono con licenza ODbL. I dati delle mappe © OpenStreetMap sono sotto licenza CC-BY-SA. Progettazione e sviluppo web Gianluca Bernardo e Eleonora Cugini [ donostia /isotype ] - See more at: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/#sthash.E2gkmr1k.dpuf Quindi suppongo sia tutto OK. -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 20:18, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto: Leggo a fondo pagina: Ammappa l’Italia è un progetto di Marco Saverio Loperfido. I dati di Ammappa l’Italia sono con licenza ODbL. I dati delle mappe © OpenStreetMap sono sotto licenza CC-BY-SA. Progettazione e sviluppo web Gianluca Bernardo e Eleonora Cugini [ donostia /isotype ] - See more at: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/#sthash.E2gkmr1k.dpuf Quindi suppongo sia tutto OK. Ed io ancora ribatto, i dati del database OSM sono ODbL, mentre i dati delle immagini scaricate (Jpg ed Svg, Html) sono CC-BY-SA, quindi non è un'informazione completa quella data. - -- Simone Girardelli -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJqtncACgkQoVS0hKoD3PNd9wD/eNNkvbrFTNGOXE4+sDSulL9Z IskOKWKjq39jNPIQHf8A/2v02dbSliB81Rj5Al0o5IlCKGdA6uxi9l+5MeXdrya7 =m381 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
+1 Piuttosto mi verrebbe da chiedergli che bisogno c'era di forkare il progetto OSM. Ciao /niubii/ Il 25/ott/2013 20:18 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2013/10/25 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Il 25/10/2013 20:08, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto: E' arrivata oggi la notizia con la newsletter di Il Movimento Lento. Il sito di riferimento è questo: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/ La licenza mi sembra ok. a me non sembra mica tanto ok: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/il-progetto/ Obbliga a dichiarare dove si è preso il contenuto, mica si scherza qua! Leggo a fondo pagina: Ammappa l’Italia è un progetto di Marco Saverio Loperfido. I dati di Ammappa l’Italia sono con licenza ODbL. I dati delle mappe © OpenStreetMap sono sotto licenza CC-BY-SA. Progettazione e sviluppo web Gianluca Bernardo e Eleonora Cugini [ donostia /isotype ] - See more at: http://www.ammappalitalia.it/#sthash.E2gkmr1k.dpuf Quindi suppongo sia tutto OK. -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ammappa%20l'Italia Mi era passato sott'occhio quando si era registrato. La licenza è imprecisa (CC-BY-SA?) Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
Il database è sotto odbl, le tiles renderizzate sono cc-by-sa http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Ciao /niubii/ Il 25/ott/2013 20:22 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ammappa%20l'Italia Mi era passato sott'occhio quando si era registrato. La licenza è imprecisa (CC-BY-SA?) Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Alcuni articoli Wikipedia mappabili in OSM
Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 18:52, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: e ho trovato altre voci non mappabili in Toscana: ... Monumenti di Viareggio ... Grazie, ho trovati altri articoli simili (Monumenti di X). Li ho aggiunti al file. -- Daniele Forsi Ciao, Simone F. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
Il 25/10/2013 20:21, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto: +1 Piuttosto mi verrebbe da chiedergli che bisogno c'era di forkare il progetto OSM. Boh, forse perchè non credo che sia fattibile inserire nel database di OSM i dati che chiede agli aderenti al progetto. Il modo migliore credo che sia quello di partire da una mappa (meglio se OSM, ma anche le foto satellitari possono essere molto utili) per poi aggiungere i dati e le descrizioni che vuole. IMHO il progetto di OSM non pretende di essere la mappa universale, ma un database da cui partire per poi crearsi il proprio progetto (compatibile con la licenza, ovviamente). Ma potrei anche sbagliarmi. Ciao /niubii/ Ciao Giuliano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
Appena letto! OSM non cederà il passo!!! Mi raccomandoa tutta al lista: da domani mattina presto, tutti col OSMtracker e gli scarponi ai piedi che a questi gli facciamo un mazzo tanto! ... bon, a parte gli scherzi, mi pare un progetto abbastanza aperto, se confrontato con altri siti di escursionistica che chiedono al crowd e poi chiudono tutti i dati. Il giorno 25 ottobre 2013 19:19, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: Leggo oggi questo articolo sulla giornale del CAI: http://www.loscarpone.cai.it/news/items/ammappa-litalia.html Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
2013/10/25 Giuliano giuli...@zamboni.pro: Piuttosto mi verrebbe da chiedergli che bisogno c'era di forkare il progetto OSM. Boh, forse perchè non credo che sia fattibile inserire nel database di OSM i dati che chiede agli aderenti al progetto. Il modo migliore credo che sia quello di partire da una mappa (meglio se OSM, ma anche le foto satellitari possono essere molto utili) per poi aggiungere i dati e le descrizioni che vuole. A me non sembra male questo progetto. anzi, mi piace. è un blog, dove invitano le persone legate al CAI (storicamente molto restie ad unirsi a noi) a mappare liberamente e a condividere le informazioni. mi piace. le foto: noi non le raccogliamo i gpx: sì (e loro li stanno caricando e la licenza è compatibile) è un primo passo di avvicinamento. ci tornerà utile. da oggi siamo, anche se non ufficialmente, dentro al CAI. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
2013/10/25 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: A me non sembra male questo progetto. anzi, mi piace. è un blog, dove invitano le persone legate al CAI (storicamente molto restie ad unirsi a noi) a mappare liberamente e a condividere le informazioni. mi piace. le foto: noi non le raccogliamo i gpx: sì (e loro li stanno caricando e la licenza è compatibile) è un primo passo di avvicinamento. ci tornerà utile. da oggi siamo, anche se non ufficialmente, dentro al CAI. mi fa piacere sentire un commento positivo, ora vi spiego come sta la facenda... Marco, l'ideatore del sito, è un filosofo (se ricordo bene) e gran camminatore, ha iniziato questo progetto senza nessuna conoscenza informatica (dati, software ecc ecc) ha presentato un abstract per il gfossday ma non è stato accettato perchè non era chiaro che software utilizzasse (si appoggiava pure a ESRI) ma è stato invitato per un dibattito. Io ci ho parlato a lungo e mostrato OSM e dato diversi consigli. Mi sembra che ora sia tutto nella norma, lui vuole raccogliere percorsi per raggiungere una località, i dati raccolti sono sotto licenza ODbL perciò compatibili con OSM e le citazioni di OSM ci sono ben chiare a fine pagina. Cosa volete di più? PS Il sito è in sviluppo se vedete diversi percorsi notere che i software (plugin) utilizzati sono diversi, sta lentamente convertendo tutto a openlayer+osm (http://www.ammappalitalia.it/villvernia-dernice/) -- -S -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
Am 25.10.2013 um 14:37 schrieb Davio davide@gmail.com: Se negli atti ufficiali compare il nome bilingue, si mette anche nel tag name. Se esistono solo documenti in italiano o solo in un'altra lingua (cosa che reputo assai improbabile), si mette in name solo il nome in italiano o dell'altra lingua. Mi sembra il modo più equo per evitare la continua guerra dei doppi nomi. Per me la segnaletica locale e l'uso comune degli abitanti hanno lo stesso valore dei atti per il nome del place. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Standardizzazione toponimi bilingui della Sardegna ed adattamento al modello altoadesino
On 2013-10-26 at 02:00:33 +0200, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Per me la segnaletica locale e l'uso comune degli abitanti hanno lo stesso valore dei atti per il nome del place. Il problema è che la segnaletica locale viene cambiata in modo arbitrario e contradditorio, e l'uso comune degli abitanti è difficile da rilevare in modo sufficientemente preciso da evitare guerre di edit. Per il primo caso, in questo thread è passato un link in cui si vedeva un cartello stradale con scritto Büsti Gràndi: uno potrebbe dire beh, ma allora Busto Arizio va segnata bilingue, ma: * la lingua natale dei bustocchi sotto l'80ina è l'italiano (purtroppo) * gli altri cartelli riportano Busto Arsizio e basta Il problema è che aggiungere un cartello qui e lì non costa niente e fa scena con l'elettorato locale, fare qualcosa di utile per tutelare una lingua in via d'estinzione costa molto di più (e infatti per il lombardo occidentale lo stan facendo solo i vicini ricchi). -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ammappa l'Italia
Il 26/ott/2013 01:06 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Cosa volete di più? Niente più di tanto. Casomai, dovremmo modificare la pagina wiki del copyright di OSM. Qualcosa del tipo: ... dichiara la licenza E prima di dare il via ad un progetto sarebbe buona educazione scrivere almeno due righe in lista per presentarti Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
Hola Escribo a la lista para pedir ayuda con la situación que se comprenderá mejor viendo las imágenes adjuntas. [1] http://i.imgur.com/VdWmpAY.jpg [2] http://i.imgur.com/fpqbHsj.jpg Se trata de una calle principal con dos carriles separados por una línea continua y doble sentido de circulación a la que concurren varias calles secundarias. Si circulas por la calle principal en un sentido sólo puedes hacer giros hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para girar hacia la izquierda. Si accedes a la calle principal desde una de las secundarias, sólo puedes girar hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para seguir de frente o coger el carril que va hacia la izquierda. Esto se puede mapear de distintas formas. a) Dibujar cada carril de la calle principal como una vía independiente de sentido único y un carril (lanes=1, oneway=yes). No me gusta por que físicamente son una sola vía. b) Dibujar la vía principal como una vía de dos carriles de doble sentido (lanes=2, oneway=no) y añadir tantas restricciones de giro como sean necesarias (ver segunda captura). No me gusta mucho por que es un curro, es fácil de equivocarse, hay que dividir la calle principal en muchos segmentos pequeños y resulta un número de restricciones muy grande. Se me ocurre una tercera forma que sería poner una etiqueta en la calle principal que diga que hay una línea continua y no se puede atravesar de un carril a otro (lanes=2, oneway=no, linea_continua=yes). La ventaja de esta es que sería mucho más simple. También se me ocurre que podría servir para vías con varios carriles y un sólo sentido en los que haya una línea continua durante un tramo antes de una salida. Podría servir al navegador para que avise con tiempo de que hay que situarse en el carril de más a la izquierda si quieres coger la salida o en otro si quieres seguir recto, no se si me explico. Mi pregunta es si sabéis si existe ya algo parecido a esto. En caso de que no exista, ¿lo consideráis interesante como para generar una propuesta nueva? ¿Cómo traduciríais la nueva etiqueta al inglés? ¿Se os ocurre alguna forma elegante para etiquetar líneas continuas en casos en los que haya más de dos carriles en la vía? Saludos. Javier. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
Desde mi humilde opinión, yo creo que lo mejor sería la opción a) ya que los enrutadores actuales lo cogen sin problemas, y la opción b) es cierto que tiene demasiado curro. 2013/10/25 Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com Hola Escribo a la lista para pedir ayuda con la situación que se comprenderá mejor viendo las imágenes adjuntas. [1] http://i.imgur.com/VdWmpAY.jpg [2] http://i.imgur.com/fpqbHsj.jpg Se trata de una calle principal con dos carriles separados por una línea continua y doble sentido de circulación a la que concurren varias calles secundarias. Si circulas por la calle principal en un sentido sólo puedes hacer giros hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para girar hacia la izquierda. Si accedes a la calle principal desde una de las secundarias, sólo puedes girar hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para seguir de frente o coger el carril que va hacia la izquierda. Esto se puede mapear de distintas formas. a) Dibujar cada carril de la calle principal como una vía independiente de sentido único y un carril (lanes=1, oneway=yes). No me gusta por que físicamente son una sola vía. b) Dibujar la vía principal como una vía de dos carriles de doble sentido (lanes=2, oneway=no) y añadir tantas restricciones de giro como sean necesarias (ver segunda captura). No me gusta mucho por que es un curro, es fácil de equivocarse, hay que dividir la calle principal en muchos segmentos pequeños y resulta un número de restricciones muy grande. Se me ocurre una tercera forma que sería poner una etiqueta en la calle principal que diga que hay una línea continua y no se puede atravesar de un carril a otro (lanes=2, oneway=no, linea_continua=yes). La ventaja de esta es que sería mucho más simple. También se me ocurre que podría servir para vías con varios carriles y un sólo sentido en los que haya una línea continua durante un tramo antes de una salida. Podría servir al navegador para que avise con tiempo de que hay que situarse en el carril de más a la izquierda si quieres coger la salida o en otro si quieres seguir recto, no se si me explico. Mi pregunta es si sabéis si existe ya algo parecido a esto. En caso de que no exista, ¿lo consideráis interesante como para generar una propuesta nueva? ¿Cómo traduciríais la nueva etiqueta al inglés? ¿Se os ocurre alguna forma elegante para etiquetar líneas continuas en casos en los que haya más de dos carriles en la vía? Saludos. Javier. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Felix ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
También tienes la etiqueta turn: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn El 25 de octubre de 2013 09:52, Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.comescribió: Hola Escribo a la lista para pedir ayuda con la situación que se comprenderá mejor viendo las imágenes adjuntas. [1] http://i.imgur.com/VdWmpAY.jpg [2] http://i.imgur.com/fpqbHsj.jpg Se trata de una calle principal con dos carriles separados por una línea continua y doble sentido de circulación a la que concurren varias calles secundarias. Si circulas por la calle principal en un sentido sólo puedes hacer giros hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para girar hacia la izquierda. Si accedes a la calle principal desde una de las secundarias, sólo puedes girar hacia la derecha, no puedes cruzar la línea continua para seguir de frente o coger el carril que va hacia la izquierda. Esto se puede mapear de distintas formas. a) Dibujar cada carril de la calle principal como una vía independiente de sentido único y un carril (lanes=1, oneway=yes). No me gusta por que físicamente son una sola vía. b) Dibujar la vía principal como una vía de dos carriles de doble sentido (lanes=2, oneway=no) y añadir tantas restricciones de giro como sean necesarias (ver segunda captura). No me gusta mucho por que es un curro, es fácil de equivocarse, hay que dividir la calle principal en muchos segmentos pequeños y resulta un número de restricciones muy grande. Se me ocurre una tercera forma que sería poner una etiqueta en la calle principal que diga que hay una línea continua y no se puede atravesar de un carril a otro (lanes=2, oneway=no, linea_continua=yes). La ventaja de esta es que sería mucho más simple. También se me ocurre que podría servir para vías con varios carriles y un sólo sentido en los que haya una línea continua durante un tramo antes de una salida. Podría servir al navegador para que avise con tiempo de que hay que situarse en el carril de más a la izquierda si quieres coger la salida o en otro si quieres seguir recto, no se si me explico. Mi pregunta es si sabéis si existe ya algo parecido a esto. En caso de que no exista, ¿lo consideráis interesante como para generar una propuesta nueva? ¿Cómo traduciríais la nueva etiqueta al inglés? ¿Se os ocurre alguna forma elegante para etiquetar líneas continuas en casos en los que haya más de dos carriles en la vía? Saludos. Javier. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
Hola Javier, 2013/10/25 Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com Mi pregunta es si sabéis si existe ya algo parecido a esto. En caso de que no exista, ¿lo consideráis interesante como para generar una propuesta nueva? ¿Cómo traduciríais la nueva etiqueta al inglés? ¿Se os ocurre alguna forma elegante para etiquetar líneas continuas en casos en los que haya más de dos carriles en la vía? Hay una propuesta abandonada, se trata de «Divided road» i la key es divider=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divided_road (la cual deriva de http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divider ) Aunque la propuesta está abandonada y nunca se llegó a votar, se ha usado unas 300 veces: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/divider#overview No sé si te será de ayuda, quizás te da alguna idea, un saludo! ;) -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma de Cervelló www.konfraria.org • @La_Konfraria http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
Lo que yo pensaba va por el camino de esa propuesta. Serviría perfectamente. Lastima que haya tenido tan poca aceptación. El 25/10/2013 12:53, Konfrare Albert lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com escribió: Hola Javier, 2013/10/25 Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com Mi pregunta es si sabéis si existe ya algo parecido a esto. En caso de que no exista, ¿lo consideráis interesante como para generar una propuesta nueva? ¿Cómo traduciríais la nueva etiqueta al inglés? ¿Se os ocurre alguna forma elegante para etiquetar líneas continuas en casos en los que haya más de dos carriles en la vía? Hay una propuesta abandonada, se trata de «Divided road» i la key es divider=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divided_road (la cual deriva de http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divider ) Aunque la propuesta está abandonada y nunca se llegó a votar, se ha usado unas 300 veces: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/divider#overview No sé si te será de ayuda, quizás te da alguna idea, un saludo! ;) -- *KONFRARE ALBERT* La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí de La Palma de Cervelló www.konfraria.org • @La_Konfraria http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
Saludos! Tal y como tienes noción tú lo que pides ya existe. No se trata de hacer simplemente la via con el mínimo de etiquetas posibles, lo que interesa es su renderizado ideal y para ello hay varios campos que toda vía urbana debería tener: change:lanes:forward=yes|yes (linea discontinua) highway=residential (tipo de vía) lanes:backward=0 (carriles en contra sentido,parece de perogrullo pero hay renderizadores que no hacen correcto su trabajo si les falta esta etiqueta) lanes:forward=2 (carriles en el sentido de la vía) lanes=2 (carriles totales - suprimible si se ponen las dos anteriores) maxspeed=50 (velocidad máxima de la calle) name=(nombre) oneway=yes (sentido único) sidewalk=both (aceras - en este caso ambos,otras combinaciones derecha/izquierda) turn:lanes:forward=through|right (giro de los diversos carriles) width=6 (anchura de la vía, ajustable con la ortofoto para asegurar y tal) Como puedes comprobar, hay uno el change:lanes:forward (que significa cambio de línea en los carriles en el sentido de creación de la vía (los oneway =-1 son horrorosos) el cual tiene las etiquetas yes|yes, que significa línea discontinua tanto en un sentido (derecha-izquierda) como en el otro (izquierda-derecha) (esto también es aplicable a las carreteras) Para que fuera continua en los dos sentidos debería ser no|no . Más abajo , además tienes la dirección de giro de cada carril (en este caso uno sigue recto y el otro gira a la derecha) Estas etiquetas són renderizadas además de por OSM, por algunos de los programas y aplicaciones para móvil con GPS.Además también son renderizadas por estilos de JOSM como el Lane and road attributes (del cual la versión española pronto estará entre nosotros - las flechas que salen en la actualidad son las autriacas). Si te gusta rizar el rizo y añadir mucha más información tales como señales de tráfico te recomiendo uses el plugin RoadSigns , con su configuración para España así como los estilos y preset Traffic_signs_ Espero que te haya servido de ayuda Saludos y mapas ;) yopaseopor ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea, continua
En mi opinión seria mejor lo de las restricciones. A pesar del curro compensa mucho a la hora del ruteo con navegador. Es más preciso Además no siempre la linea continua es eterna. Hay veces que se parte o calles donde sí se permite algún tipo de giro. Lo de las restricciones es más universal. No niego que tenga curro. no lo voy a saber yo que me he currado gran parte de CyL con estas cosas y además me costo hacerlo bien, ya que al principio no parecía un tema muy claro a pesar de la doc. Espero que sirva de ayuda ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mapear cruces en calle doble carril y línea continua
De muchísima ayuda. Muchas gracias. Saludos El 25/10/2013 18:26, yo paseopor yopaseo...@gmail.com escribió: Saludos! Tal y como tienes noción tú lo que pides ya existe. No se trata de hacer simplemente la via con el mínimo de etiquetas posibles, lo que interesa es su renderizado ideal y para ello hay varios campos que toda vía urbana debería tener: change:lanes:forward=yes|yes (linea discontinua) highway=residential (tipo de vía) lanes:backward=0 (carriles en contra sentido,parece de perogrullo pero hay renderizadores que no hacen correcto su trabajo si les falta esta etiqueta) lanes:forward=2 (carriles en el sentido de la vía) lanes=2 (carriles totales - suprimible si se ponen las dos anteriores) maxspeed=50 (velocidad máxima de la calle) name=(nombre) oneway=yes (sentido único) sidewalk=both (aceras - en este caso ambos,otras combinaciones derecha/izquierda) turn:lanes:forward=through|right (giro de los diversos carriles) width=6 (anchura de la vía, ajustable con la ortofoto para asegurar y tal) Como puedes comprobar, hay uno el change:lanes:forward (que significa cambio de línea en los carriles en el sentido de creación de la vía (los oneway =-1 son horrorosos) el cual tiene las etiquetas yes|yes, que significa línea discontinua tanto en un sentido (derecha-izquierda) como en el otro (izquierda-derecha) (esto también es aplicable a las carreteras) Para que fuera continua en los dos sentidos debería ser no|no . Más abajo , además tienes la dirección de giro de cada carril (en este caso uno sigue recto y el otro gira a la derecha) Estas etiquetas són renderizadas además de por OSM, por algunos de los programas y aplicaciones para móvil con GPS.Además también son renderizadas por estilos de JOSM como el Lane and road attributes (del cual la versión española pronto estará entre nosotros - las flechas que salen en la actualidad son las autriacas). Si te gusta rizar el rizo y añadir mucha más información tales como señales de tráfico te recomiendo uses el plugin RoadSigns , con su configuración para España así como los estilos y preset Traffic_signs_ Espero que te haya servido de ayuda Saludos y mapas ;) yopaseopor ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] U-Bahn-Stationen in Hochlage
Am 24.10.2013 20:54, schrieb Chris Tof: Hallo Leute, Hoffentlich kommt diese Nachricht jetzt richtig an (sonst habe ich leider keine Idee, wie man in GMX von HTML auf Plaintext umstellen könnte). Mich würde eure Meinung zum U2-Abschnitt in Hochlage interessieren: Alle Stationen (außer Aspern Nord) wurdem im selben Stil gebaut, sprich mit komplett überdachter Station. Wenn die U2 jetzt auch in der Station als auf einer Brücke eingezeichnet ist, entsteht der Eindruck, dass das Gebäude nur unter der U-Bahn wäre. Daher habe ich probeweise bei der U2-Station Krieau den überdachten Abschnitt mit dem tag tunnel=yes gekennzeichnet. Was meint ihr? So wie früher oder meine Methode? lg ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at Servus, Ich muss mich leider den anderen anschließen, tunnel=yes ist leider falsch, wenngleich es vermutlich am Besten aussieht. (Der generelle Tenor ist aber, die Datenbank korrekt zu halten und kein Tagging anwenden, nur weil es in einer App oder bei einem Render besser aussieht). Eigentlich liegt die Strecke im/am Gebäude ja nicht auf einer Brücke, somit würde ich dieses Tag wegnehmen, dann noch im überdachten Bereich ein covered=yes (wird leider nicht auf osm.org dargestellt). So würde meine Alternative (Hausfeldstraße) aussehen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.23334/16.48493 Aktuell liegt das Dach auf layer=4, weil die Gleise (warum auch immer?) auf layer=3 liegen. Lg Jimmy ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] U-Bahn-Stationen in Hochlage
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:49:15 +0200 Jimmy_K jimm...@gmx.at wrote: Eigentlich liegt die Strecke im/am Gebäude ja nicht auf einer Brücke, somit würde ich dieses Tag wegnehmen, dann noch im überdachten Bereich ein covered=yes (wird leider nicht auf osm.org dargestellt). So würde meine Alternative (Hausfeldstraße) aussehen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.23334/16.48493 Ist das ein bug, daß die schienen trotz layer-tag durchscheinen als wäre nichts? Das ist BTW eine, die noch immer kaputt ist nach der track-auftrennung... nur ein haltepunkt (siehe namens-rendering). -- Kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Tauner ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Basemap.at
On 25.10.2013 16:20, Thomas Rupprecht wrote:
Ich weiß nicht ob das schon durch talk-at gegangen ist oder nicht. Aber
es gibt eine schöne Karte (wenn auch nicht perfekt) die in einem Design
der Wien Karte gestaltet ist. Ist wohl noch im Aufbau das ganze.
Homepage: http://www.basemap.at/
Die Karte kann man sich auch schon in JOSM mittels TMS einbinden:
tms[19]:http://maps{switch:,1,2,3,4}.wien.gv.at/basemap/geolandbasemap/normal/google3857/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.jpeg
Welche URL gibt man dann in Merkaartor ein? Egal wie ich das abändere, ich
kriege entweder not found oder forbidden.
Laut Wiki dürfen wir sie auch verwenden:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Austria
D.h. wir dürfen Hausnummern und Straßennamen aus ganz Österreich
abschreiben? Das wär ein Hit.
Jetzt fehlt nur noch der Laserscan.
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Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria
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Re: [Talk-at] Basemap.at
Da muss ich dich entäuschen. Hausnummern gibts keine. Diese Karte wäre es:
http://www.basemap.at/application/basemap_at.html
Am 25.10.2013 17:39 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at:
On 25.10.2013 16:20, Thomas Rupprecht wrote:
Ich weiß nicht ob das schon durch talk-at gegangen ist oder nicht. Aber
es gibt eine schöne Karte (wenn auch nicht perfekt) die in einem Design
der Wien Karte gestaltet ist. Ist wohl noch im Aufbau das ganze.
Homepage: http://www.basemap.at/
Die Karte kann man sich auch schon in JOSM mittels TMS einbinden:
tms[19]:http://maps{switch:,1,**2,3,4}.wien.gv.at/basemap/**
geolandbasemap/normal/**google3857/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.jpeghttp://wien.gv.at/basemap/geolandbasemap/normal/google3857/%7Bzoom%7D/%7By%7D/%7Bx%7D.jpeg
Welche URL gibt man dann in Merkaartor ein? Egal wie ich das abändere, ich
kriege entweder not found oder forbidden.
Laut Wiki dürfen wir sie auch verwenden:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Contributors#Austriahttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Austria
D.h. wir dürfen Hausnummern und Straßennamen aus ganz Österreich
abschreiben? Das wär ein Hit.
Jetzt fehlt nur noch der Laserscan.
--
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Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria
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Re: [Talk-at] Basemap.at
Welche URL gibt man dann in Merkaartor ein? Versuchs mit Folgendem: http://maps.wien.gv.at/basemap/geolandbasemap/normal/google3857/%1/%3/%2.jpeg Martin ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Basemap.at
On 25.10.2013 19:23, Martin Raifer wrote: Welche URL gibt man dann in Merkaartor ein? Versuchs mit Folgendem: http://maps.wien.gv.at/basemap/geolandbasemap/normal/google3857/%1/%3/%2.jpeg Wenn ich auf Get Services klicke, kommt eine Messagebox: Download failed: Not Found -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so use Lisboa and Porto? Matthias - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create portueuse translation of the official flyer? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its just in DE http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the german book with the english edition, ok? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a Portuguese online service to order the prints? I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of the notes function, that allows locals to easily contribute more details. IMHO this makes sense, as if they see some empty buildings, they might remember about local POIs? Matthias Am 16.09.2013 18:14, schrieb Matthias Meisser: Hi everybody, as I nearly finished tracing Bing aerials the past weeks, I like to start with on-the-ground survey which will be photo and penpaper mapping: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/38.7222/-9.1230layers=N As I'm not looking like a usual Portuguese guy and I can't make me understandable in the language, I would like to have something like a flyer, so people can understand what I'm doing. In Germany there is one [1] and it helped me already, because Germans care a lot about their privacy (and property ;)). So can anybody tell me, if the portuguese community has similar documents to show their mission to the residents? 1 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Flyers_and_posters Greetings from Lisboa, Matthias ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open source or free software[1]? [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so use Lisboa and Porto? Matthias - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create portueuse translation of the official flyer? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its just in DE http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the german book with the english edition, ok? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a Portuguese online service to order the prints? I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of the notes function, that allows locals to easily contribute more details. IMHO this makes sense, as if they see some empty buildings, they might remember about local POIs? Matthias Am 16.09.2013 18:14, schrieb Matthias Meisser: Hi everybody, as I nearly finished tracing Bing aerials the past weeks, I like to start with on-the-ground survey which will be photo and penpaper mapping: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/38.7222/-9.1230layers=N As I'm not looking like a usual Portuguese guy and I can't make me understandable in the language, I would like to have something like a flyer, so people can understand what I'm doing. In Germany there is one [1] and it helped me
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos: The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. Obrigado! The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him. A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE edition, too. Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open source or free software[1]? [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation an DE also used open source that is IMHO more a buzzword to non-geeks than free software. As the topic of the flyer is free mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe you prefer using a different term for FLOSS? Matthias On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'. He is very ok with that and offered us to create a *high res map rendering* for the flyer. So now the question is, *which areas* we like to see at the flyer? There is one place at one folding segment and second one what covers 2xsegments. At the german flyer they use the city Münster with low zoom and Berlin for the bigger area. Hmm so use Lisboa and Porto? Matthias - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 21/10/2013 20:38:19 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? As nobody replyed, I like to ask more specific: Woul it be ok to you, if *I ask some locals* to create portueuse translation of the official flyer? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2010_thumb.png (I think I will use the more recent version, but sadly its just in DE http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_flyer_2011_german.jpg) For *printing* a few thousands that can be spread to local mappers, will there be a organization that likes to sponsor and get's a attribution on the flyer? I would replace the german book with the english edition, ok? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Books#OpenStreetMap:_Using_and_Enhancing_the_Free_Map_of_the_World Should I ask OSMF or do you know any local sponsor or at least a Portuguese online service to order the prints? I will try to create another A5 flyer dedicated to the use of the notes function, that allows locals to
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
Olá Procurámos seguir o texto, mas em algumas frases fizemos um pequeno trabalho de adaptação. Como critica construtiva ao texto, um dos nossos colaboradores dizia que estava demasiado german e pouco user friendly -motivating -USA way se nos fazemos entender. Acabámos por acordar nesta redacção: INICIO TEXTO / ADAPTAÇÂO Junta-te ao OpenStreetMap! Explora com um mapa mundial livre e gratuito. Podes encontrar o website em www.openstreetmap.org. Existe uma Wiki com muita informação e um mapa livre e gratuito. Em www.openstreetmap.pt encontrarás a entrada para a comunidade Portuguesa e ligações para fóruns e listas de correio electrónico. O livro “Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World” de Frederik Ramm e Jochen Top foi publicado pela Lehmanns Media e explica todos os detalhes desde gravar os dados até desenhar os teus próprios mapas. O OpenStreetMap distribui todos os dados sob a licença Open Database License 1.0; qualquer um os pode usar, desde que quaisquer alterações também sejam publicadas sob a mesma licença aberta. O mapa de Lisboa nesta página e a zona em destaque, incluindo o Mundo na página principal, foram criados através de software de código aberto usando os dados do OpenStreetMap. O custo para criar e imprimir este panfleto foi suportado pela Geofabrik GmbH (www.geofabrik.de), que oferece serviços de desenvolvimento de software, consultoria, e serviços de dados e mapas para o OpenStreetMap. turn page Porquê um mapa da Terra livre e gratuito? Na internet é possível encontrar muitos mapas e plantas de cidades gratuitos. Mas estes serviços são oferecidos para uso privado e não é permitida a sua republicação; assim, num panfleto como este não seria permitido usá-los. A informação também não é muitas vezes actual ou completa, e erros óbvios demoram muito tempo a ser corrigidos. Mas, ainda mais importante, apenas recebemos as imagens do mapa - não os dados, a base para criar o mapa. É necessário ter acesso a estes dados se quiseres produzir os teus próprios mapas, alterar mapas existentes para mostrar num serviço móvel, ou para calcular uma rota personalizada. Como funciona o OpenStreetMap? Recolhemos dados para o OpenStreetMap de várias formas. Dispositivos GPS e notas manuais são a maneira mais clássica; o GPS grava a rota por onde caminhamos e tomamos nota dos pontos de interesse por onde passamos. Neste momento também podemos usar imagens aéreas. Um editor para o OpenStreetMap mostra-te imagens aéreas e caminhos percorridos com o GPS, para além de mostrar dados já adicionados. Estradas, edifícios, florestas ou lagos podem ser traçados através das imagens aéreas. Mas detalhes como números de edifícios, nomes de ruas, ou pontos de interesse não estão lá. Estes detalhes interessantes como um pelourinho, uma fonte, podem ser adicionados com o teu conhecimento local, ou de um outro colaborador. Os dados resultantes são transferidos para uma base de dados do projecto. Assim, criamos automaticamente o mapa final e, após um curto espaço de tempo (normalmente menos de uma hora), todos podem ver as novas alterações. (at the sketch): GPS-Track, imagens aéreas, editor, mapa resultante FIM DO TEXTO A equipa TopoLusitania PS: Atendendo ao publico alvo do folheto, o tratamento tu em vez de você não nos levanta problemas. In english and some french to try to pass the ideias ;-) We tried to follow the text but adapted it sligtly. One of the points is that the text is not so much user friendly - motivating as it could be We agreed in the presented translation Prenant en conte le public ciblé, le tutoier du texte pose pas de probleme. Public ciblé - Target public - Comme Tintim , pour les jeunes volontaires de 7 a 77 Target public - Young volunteers from 7 to 77 years old On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:28 PM, f.dos.san...@free.fr f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote: I'll add one more : the first 2 sentences use the word gratuito (free as in free beer), it should use the word livre (free as in free speech). It doesn't matter much in the turn page as it discuss the other online free map but it's important to make it clear on the first sentence. I recommend to use both terms in the same sentence to make it obvious : um mapa livre e gratuito - Mail original - From: Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com To: talk-pt talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 25/10/2013 20:35:37 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!) The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web
Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!)
I've updated the wiki. I think the tone is good, very directed to the reader, as in OSM needs you ! Surely it will bring a reaction on the reader :-) I'm ok too with the word open-source, some other word need probably a bit more thinking, for example the word notas looks too much as a translation from english (I think as something like apontamentos). There's another big mistake in the text : Em www.openstreetmap.pt encontrarás a entrada para a comunidade Portuguesa e ligações para fóruns e listas de correio electrónico. The openstreetmap.pt domain have been reserved, there is a wordpress running but it seems nobody touch it recently, actually is not very useful. If we want to keep it in the leaflet, it's best to do something on the website (to the people who has the key of the website, feel free to ask for help on this list ;-). And we have no forum, just the mailing list (and an IRC channel which nobody have heard of it :-). Francisco - Mail original - De: Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com À: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Samedi 26 Octobre 2013 00:28:25 Objet: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? (needs YOUR review!) On 25-10-2013 22:57, Matthias Meisser wrote: Am 25.10.2013 19:35, schrieb Mauro Santos: The translation looks good. I've spotted a couple typos s/eligações/e ligações/ and s/azona/a zona/. Obrigado! The other thing I've noticed, and I don't know very well how to explain it in english, is that the verbs have been conjugated in a way that it seems the writer knows the reader personally (and are friends). What I mean is, Podes encontrar o web... is similar to Tu podes encontrar o web..., using Tu is not polite if you don't know the other person. Personally I prefer to see Pode encontrar o web I suppose that teenagers don't care about how it's written but someone the age of their parents (or older) might not like it, I'd say that the flyer should try not to give a bad first impression. I guess this was mixed as english just knows 'you' (you boy vs. you sir), so I think Miguel just choose what sounds reasonable to him. A more serious tone would b appreciated IMHO and is used in DE edition, too. Finally, where it says open-source software, does it mean open source or free software[1]? [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#open-source Wow, I guess this is getting political ;) I made just the translation an DE also used open source that is IMHO more a buzzword to non-geeks than free software. As the topic of the flyer is free mapping, we IMHO should avoid to get to close into details, but maybe you prefer using a different term for FLOSS? My idea was not to make it a political discussion but I agree that it might have come across looking like that. My idea was to be accurate/correct because ... we should/can be :p I do have to agree that for the general audience open source will be easier to recognize and identify with than free software. Matthias On 25-10-2013 18:36, Matthias Meisser wrote: Hi, thanks to my colleague Miguel here at ISCTE, we have a first translation in Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:!i!/PT_flyer So please review and improve it if you like. We also need a new paragraph on the OSGeo PT, ideally with the same length. Bom fim-de-semana, Matthias Am 23.10.2013 18:42, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: Funny, today there's a blog speaking of promotional leaflets : http://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/ I see that the idea of a portuguese flyer is in good shape but didn't know how I can help you, I can't speak german ;-) I also think the best pictures are for Lisboa in the low zoom and Porto with the high zoom. Francisco. - Mail original - From: Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org Date: 23/10/2013 14:56:47 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Portuguese flyer? Am 21.10.2013 20:45, schrieb f.dos.san...@free.fr: I've not replied because I don't know ;-) Não tem problema ;) All the mapping party I've heard have been organized by the OSGeo Local Chapter, I don't think they have an OSM flyer (I hope someone could prove me wrong :-) but it's a very good idea to have one. They used to have a wiki and a dedicated page for mapping events (but it's down) : http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal Hopefully some OSGeo members read this list and you'll get an answer, if not we can cross-post to the OSGeo mailing list for a larger audience : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/portugal/ Their list is not OSM related but they are a bigger community so they will have better idea for sponsors and publishing partners. I contacted the OSGeoPT and the president Jorge agreed, that the *chapter will spend the money* and deal with the printing if we finished the localisation. I also contacted Frederik (Geofabrik chef), if he is ok with replacing their promotion at the flyer with an OSGeo 'advertising'.
[OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
Talk-ZA, OSM now has a new GPS trace map... Available as an overlay layer in the iD editor... (and likely JOSM soon) It can be viewed outside of the iD editor here: http://bl.ocks.org/ericfischer/raw/713d24985c9a4a085629/#6/-28.4/22.5 The traces are coloured by direction: Eastbound movement in red, westbound in cyan, northbound in yellow, and southbound in violet. Mapbox who wrote the code blogged about the new map here: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-gps-layer/ I setup the hardware. HP DL360 G6 ;-) Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
Marvellous, thanks for the amazing work Grant! This will greatly assist in mapping in iD. I was wondering - is there any way to, in - say the iD editor - obtain more information about the GPX traces? And is there any way to see the waypoints / information about the waypoints? The waypoints often contain very useful context information. -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Vr, 2013-10-25 om 10:54 +0100 skryf Grant Slater: Talk-ZA, OSM now has a new GPS trace map... Available as an overlay layer in the iD editor... (and likely JOSM soon) It can be viewed outside of the iD editor here: http://bl.ocks.org/ericfischer/raw/713d24985c9a4a085629/#6/-28.4/22.5 The traces are coloured by direction: Eastbound movement in red, westbound in cyan, northbound in yellow, and southbound in violet. Mapbox who wrote the code blogged about the new map here: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-gps-layer/ I setup the hardware. HP DL360 G6 ;-) Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
Really cool! useful and artistic. So, how many of you immediately went to check out some of your own GPS traces on the map? I know I did :-D -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +491723724440 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
This worked nicely in Potlatch - load my previously-uploaded GPX, and click waypoints to view the notes etc. I sorely miss this in iD. This works really well in Josm, though. -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +491723724440 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
Oh, right, it has to be on the local computer - you'd have to download again. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: I thought that only works with locally-loaded GPX files. Can JOSM access my uploaded-to-OSM traces, and see their waypoints / notes? Dawid Op Vr, 2013-10-25 om 15:17 +0200 skryf David Richfield: This worked nicely in Potlatch - load my previously-uploaded GPX, and click waypoints to view the notes etc. I sorely miss this in iD. This works really well in Josm, though. ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +491723724440 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
...which isn't a problem per se, just not very cloud-like :-) It's nice to upload from my android device straight to OSM, and then use them straight in the editor. Especially when you spend a couple of minutes every day to add to the map. Dawid Op Vr, 2013-10-25 om 15:22 +0200 skryf David Richfield: Oh, right, it has to be on the local computer - you'd have to download again. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: I thought that only works with locally-loaded GPX files. Can JOSM access my uploaded-to-OSM traces, and see their waypoints / notes? Dawid signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
On 25 October 2013 12:38, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: I was wondering - is there any way to, in - say the iD editor - obtain more information about the GPX traces? And is there any way to see the waypoints / information about the waypoints? The waypoints often contain very useful context information. The new layer is pre-rendered images without additional information. Javascript (which iD is written in) struggles with the number of points that GPX files have. iD can open local GPX files. Unsure if it displays waypoints yet. / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[Talk-ca] Fwd: Web cameras
Thanks for the replies. I was actually talking about using the images from the cameras as a data source, not the locations of the cameras themselves as Clifford implies. Sounds like those particular cameras are not usable for OSM. More generally that also made me think of pictures posted online as a potential OSM data source. Say someone takes a picture of a building and it shows a bunch of shops on it. The photo is posted say on a site like Flickr with a Creative Commons licence. Are any of those licences valid for OSM, and if not what would be? -- Matthew Buchanan -- Kamloops, BC If you click on the Copyright link at the bottom of the respective page (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/admin/copyright.page), you'll see that you probably can't use the images as a source. The following policy governs the operation and management of the government's main website and all websites of ministries, and agencies reporting to ministries. Copyright © 2013, Province of British Columbia. All rights reserved. This material is owned by the Government of British Columbia and protected by copyright law. It may not be reproduced or redistributed without the prior written permission of the Province of British Columbia. Harald. A user in Seattle added surveillance cameras and police radio tower in Downtown Seattle. As long as the source doesn't have a copyright issue, I think cameras are appropriate. Especially since they can be surveyed. Clifford On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Matthew Buchanan matthew.ian.bucha...@gmail.com wrote: Are web cameras an appropriate source for OSM? Specifically these ones from the BC Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure. http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/PMH1 -- Matthew Buchanan -- Kamloops, BC ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Cartopartie le dimanche 27 octobre 2013
Bonjour, Le groupe OpenStreetMap Montréal souhaite vous convier à une cartopartie qui aura lieu le dimanche 27 octobre 2013, de 13h30 à 17h30. À cette occasion, nous nous réunirons afin d’effectuer l’inventaire des commerces et des principaux points d’intérêts du chemin de la Côte-des-Neiges, dans le quartier du même nom. Le tout débutera par un atelier d’introduction à OpenStreetMap, et se terminera par un atelier sur l’édition de la carte, une fois de retour après avoir effectué le sondage sur le terrain. Pour des raisons d’organisation nous souhaiterions connaître le nombre de personnes intéressées par cette activité à l’avance, aussi nous vous demandons dans la mesure du possible de vous inscrire ci-contre: https://www.eventbrite.ca/event/8706618731 L’adresse exacte du lieu de rendez-vous - une résidence - sera communiquée à toute personne s’inscrivant. Si vous ne souhaitez pas vous inscrire ou que vous vous décidez à la dernière minute, nous vous donnons rendez-vous devant la sortie Sud de la station de métro Côte-des-neiges à 13h15 précises. Note: il s’agit de la sortie près du café Starbuck: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=45.49634mlon=-73.62245#map=19/45.49634/-73.62245 N’oubliez pas de vous vêtir en fonction de la température, car l’activité aura lieu beau temps, mauvais temps. Fort heureusement, la météo annonce du beau temps! En cas de forte pluie, nous tiendrons les ateliers prévus à l’intérieur. SI vous décidez de vous joindre à nous, voici le matériel que nous suggérons d'apporter. Considérez que tout item dans cette liste est facultatif: - ordinateur portatif afin d’entrer les données dans la carte, une fois le sondage terrain effectué (recommandé); - appareil photo pour aider à la prise de notes lors du sondage terrain (celui intégré à un téléphone intelligent est amplement suffisant); - téléphone intelligent ou tablette, pour aider à l’entrée de données en temps réel; - un calepin et un crayon pour prendre des notes (des cartes imprimées seront fournies); - parapluie, en cas de besoin. Au plaisir, Guillaume Pratte pour OpenStreetMap Montréal ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mapper accueil Croix-Rouge Française
Je fais remonter ce sujet pour savoir si quelqu'un a la réponse... - Tony EMERY Administrateur OpenStreetMap.fr Mandataire Grand Sud-Est Géomaticien chef de projets -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/mapper-accueil-Croix-Rouge-Francaise-tp5661562p5782802.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mapper accueil Croix-Rouge Française
Bonjour, Peut-être en social_facility? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:social_facility Il y avait un tag amenity=sharity (avec la Croix Rouge en exemple cf. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/charity) qui est maintenant abandonné et qui renvoie vers social_facility. Romain Le 25 octobre 2013 08:46, Tony Emery tony.em...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Je fais remonter ce sujet pour savoir si quelqu'un a la réponse... - Tony EMERY Administrateur OpenStreetMap.fr Mandataire Grand Sud-Est Géomaticien chef de projets -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/mapper-accueil-Croix-Rouge-Francaise-tp5661562p5782802.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mapper accueil Croix-Rouge Française
Le 25/10/2013 08:54, Romain MEHUT a écrit : amenity=sharity :-) Très belle, la typo... -- FrViPofm ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mapper accueil Croix-Rouge Française
2013/10/25 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com Le 25/10/2013 08:54, Romain MEHUT a écrit : amenity=sharity :-) Très belle, la typo... Oups! Bon, vous aviez compris... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Faire une carte de communes à partir d'OSM
Bonjour, J'aurais besoin de faire une carte d'une communauté d'agglo (carte toute bête : il me faut les limites de toutes les communes avec leurs noms au milieu). Je dispose d'un fichier .osm qui contient toutes les données OSM de cette agglo (j'ai tracé un rectangle autour d'elle dans JOSM et j'ai tout enregistré). Mais comment faire pour extraire juste les limites de communes ? Le problème me paraissait simple, mais j'ai cherché un peu partout sans succès. Merci -- Adrien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
