Re: [OSM-talk] Making GPS tracks in Android

[Martijn van Exel]

Andy, 

If you would like something lightweight that just does GPS track recording, I 
would recommend GPS Logger 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Logger_for_Android 
 . A nice bonus is 
that you can have the app automatically upload your tracks to OSM in whatever 
privacy mode you choose. It can also sync with Nextcloud, Dropbox etc.

OSMTracker offers a little more functionality like recording waypoints with 
specific, configurable notes, and recording audio notes. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMTracker_(Android) 
 

I’m not on Android right now but I’ve used both these OSS apps for years.

Martijn

> On Dec 20, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> Father Christmas came early this year, and has delivered to me a smart
> new Android phone, whose GPS is much better than on my old one.
> 
> I want to use it to trace some tracks on a local nature reserve. What
> app(s) do you recommend for this?
> 
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[Talk-us] Tomorrow's OSM Utah map night -- wheel map?

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks,

I wanted to spend some time adding wheelchair accessibility tagging 
during the OSM Utah biweekly map night to benefit wheelmap.org and other 
applications that use OSM data for wheelchair accessibility / routing 
purposes. If anyone has experience with this (I don't but I plan to read 
up and practice a bit ahead of time), please join :) If you don't and 
you just want to spend an hour mapping with fellow mappers, please join 
:) It's virtual so open to anyone, not just Utahns!


Details here: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Utah/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Big Blue Button download

[Martijn van Exel]

I was able to download the video(s). There's actually two of them, a separate 
video for the screenshare and one for the webcam which has the audio. In order 
for me to upload these as one integrated video to archive.org, I will need to 
post-process the video, mixing the sound and webcam stream with the 
screenshare, to get a result that is something like 
https://archive.org/details/maproulette-create-a-challenge-geojson. I assume 
there was similar post-processing involved for the SOTM videos? If you want to 
do this type of video regularly, that becomes a bit of a hassle, although of 
course not impossible.
I use Open Broadcasting Studio to compose the 'scene' you can see in the 
archive.org video. It lets you record and stream at the same time. Using only 
the recording function, I think a good solution would be to use BBB for the 
'live' event but let OBS record in the background so I have something ready to 
upload for long-term availability elsewhere. Anyone with a better idea? I'm 
fairly new at this.
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, at 13:13, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Thanks for the responses! I wasn't going to rely on BBB for long term 
> availability, which is why I wanted to download the video. I use archive.org 
> to make the videos available longer term.
> Martijn
> 
> On Sep 17, 2020 12:38, Rory McCann  wrote:

>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, at 8:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: 
>> > Can you confirm that we can leave the recordings on the server and are 
>> > able to link to the recordings for other sites, like the wiki? 
>> 
>> No, you can't rely on it like that. We only have limited storage space. 
>> Alas, we cannot offer a video hosting service like this. You should use a 
>> proper service for that. 
>> 
>> I merely said that AFAIK, *these* videos hadn't been explicitly deleted. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Big Blue Button download

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Thanks for the responses! I wasn't going to rely on BBB for long term availability, which is why I wanted to download the video. I use archive.org to make the videos available longer term.MartijnOn Sep 17, 2020 12:38, Rory McCann  wrote:On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, at 8:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

> Can you confirm that we can leave the recordings on the server and are 

> able to link to the recordings for other sites, like the wiki?



No, you can't rely on it like that. We only have limited storage space. Alas, we cannot offer a video hosting service like this. You should use a proper service for that.



I merely said that AFAIK, *these* videos hadn't been explicitly deleted.


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[OSM-talk] Big Blue Button download

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi, 
I recorded a video on the OSMF big blue button server. I think OSMF asked to 
download and delete as quickly as possible to save on storage plan costs, but I 
may be misremembering. Regardless, I don't know how to download my own video, 
can someone explain how that works please?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Martijn van Exel]

Curious anecdote: some AllTrails user apparently looked up a phone 
number for OSM US and called up Maggie. Turns out the complaint was 
about a trail that I originally mapped *blush*. In my defense, that was 
9 years ago, I haven't been to that part of town much since I moved, and 
nobody else updated the trail, which has since disappeared.


Here is the changeset in case you're interested: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89419938


Martijn

On 8/19/2020 3:44 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

Hey Mike,
They definitely mention OSM, even call us a partner [1] but like you 
found their basemap is definitely OSM. Instead of suggesting their 
users edit OSM, they instead instruct them to email 
d...@openstreetmap.org ,


All Trails is located in SF but I couldn't find any listing of a 
leadership team.


Do you want to ask on Slack? Someone there might have a connection.


[1] 
https://support.alltrails.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018930672-How-do-I-update-or-change-information-about-a-trail-


On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mike Thompson > wrote:


Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their
use of OSM without attribution?  I am not talking about the "OSM
Map Layer" that they offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map
Layer."  At the very least it appears that the trails on that
layer come from OSM.  I know that because I have entered some
rather obscure informal trails in OSMe, and they show up in
AllTrails just as I entered them in OSM.
Mike

[0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name
of a trail, park, or city to see their map.)
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Re: [Talk-us] [MapRoulette] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

[Martijn van Exel]

Thanks those who joined for the live stream, the recording (57m) is now 
available to watch here: 
https://archive.org/details/maproulette-create-a-challenge-geojson 
<https://archive.org/details/maproulette-create-a-challenge-geojson>

Hope to see you again next time.

Martijn

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM 
> mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday 
> specifically about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 
> 19:00 US Mountain Time[1].
> 
> If you have an idea for a MapRoulette Challenge that you'd like me to cover, 
> let me know and I'll do my best.
> 
> My Twitch channel is here: https://www.twitch.tv/mvexel 
> 
> Hope to see some of you then;
> 
> [1] 
> https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200811T19=220=Twitch+%23OpenStreetMap+MapRoulette+Session=cursive
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Re: [OSM-talk] [MapRoulette] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

[Martijn van Exel]

Thanks those who joined for the live stream, the recording (57m) is now 
available to watch here: 
https://archive.org/details/maproulette-create-a-challenge-geojson 
<https://archive.org/details/maproulette-create-a-challenge-geojson>

Hope to see you again next time.

Martijn

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM 
> mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday 
> specifically about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 
> 19:00 US Mountain Time[1].
> 
> If you have an idea for a MapRoulette Challenge that you'd like me to cover, 
> let me know and I'll do my best.
> 
> My Twitch channel is here: https://www.twitch.tv/mvexel 
> 
> Hope to see some of you then;
> 
> [1] 
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[OSM-talk] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM 
mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday specifically 
about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 19:00 US Mountain 
Time[1].

If you have an idea for a MapRoulette Challenge that you'd like me to cover, 
let me know and I'll do my best.

My Twitch channel is here: https://www.twitch.tv/mvexel 

Hope to see some of you then;

[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200811T19=220=Twitch+%23OpenStreetMap+MapRoulette+Session=cursive
 

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[Talk-us] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM 
mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday specifically 
about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 19:00 US Mountain 
Time[1].

If you have an idea for a MapRoulette Challenge that you'd like me to cover, 
let me know and I'll do my best.

My Twitch channel is here: https://www.twitch.tv/mvexel 

Hope to see some of you then;

[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200811T19=220=Twitch+%23OpenStreetMap+MapRoulette+Session=cursive
 

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[Talk-us] Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I've been running 'Streaming JOSM' sessions on Tuesday evenings for the 
past couple of weeks and I am planning to do at least one more tomorrow 
at 7pm Mountain time[0].


The original idea stemmed from a tweet about cleaning up TIGER[1] and 
that is what I have been streaming the past couple of weeks.


I would like to do something different and would love to hear your 
suggestions. What would you like to watch me map? (Assuming you'd be 
interested in watching a random person map OSM in the first place...)


Suggestions very welcome!

Martijn

[0] Links to join here: 
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Utah/events/271617242/


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Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette - cryptic tasks

[Martijn van Exel]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, at 08:42, Andy Townsend wrote:
> 
> On 26/02/2020 15:00, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > You can see the newest created challenges using 
> > https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges?sort=created, there is also 
> > an API call you can use. Drop me a line if you want some more guidance. 
> 
> Thanks.  What does that API do?
> 

Everything maproulette.org needs to function. (Generated) documentation is 
here: https://maproulette.org/docs/swagger-ui/index.html . For some advanced 
use cases, you may inspect the calls made to the API when running queries on 
maproulette.org. The extendedFind call powers Challenge search and browsing. 
Most GET requests including this one do not require an API key. If you do want 
to use calls that require one, you would find yours at 
https://maproulette.org/user/profile at the bottom.

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Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette - cryptic tasks

[Martijn van Exel]

> > Is there any way to find answers other than sending a private message to
> > the pseudonymous "Mapping Human" through MapRoulette?
> 
> This would be their OSM username. There is no internal messaging system 
> in MapRoulette, clicking the 'message' link would actually send you to 
> the OSM message screen.

Sorry, that was incorrect, I misunderstood -- "Mapping Human" is the 
MapRoulette project name[1]. Projects are a way to organize Challenges in 
groups. Clicking on the 'Contact Owner' link reveals their username, 
EditConscript in this case.

Martijn

[1] https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39507

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Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette - cryptic tasks

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,

> Is there any way to find answers other than sending a private message to
> the pseudonymous "Mapping Human" through MapRoulette?

This would be their OSM username. There is no internal messaging system in 
MapRoulette, clicking the 'message' link would actually send you to the OSM 
message screen.

> Is there even any quality control when people create new MapRoulette
> tasks? Or at least some sort of four-eyes principle? Or at least a
> transparency "best practice" that would lead to people explaining who
> they are, what they want to achieve with a certain task, how many tasks
> they're running and what instructions they are giving to users?

There is ample documentation on how to create challenges and best practices for 
doing so, but as with all things OSM, it is up to the community to maintain 
quality standards in mapping. I have reached out to the community before asking 
for volunteers to help monitor new challenges, there was no interest then, 
perhaps this is a good time to ask again? You can see the newest created 
challenges using https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges?sort=created, there 
is also an API call you can use. Drop me a line if you want some more guidance.

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Re: [Talk-us] Changes for USA data on Geofabrik Download Server

[Martijn van Exel]

Fantastic news! Thanks for the update, Frederik.
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, at 04:06, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Dear US OSMers,
> 
> for historical reasons, the layout of data for the USA on the Geofabrik
> download server has always been a bit peculiar: There wasn't a file for
> "all of the US" - there was a file for North America (including Canada
> and Mexico), and then there were files for the "Census Regions" (US
> Midwest, US Norhteast and so on, and for individual states.
> 
> (The concrete historical reason is that there used to be a time when due
> to TIGER imports the US extract would have been about 95% of the North
> America file anyway, and not much would be gained by clipping Canada.
> And Mexico was initially not even part of North America on the download
> server, due to my own lack of geographic competence.)
> 
> I'm in the process of straightening that out, so that there will be the
> standard structure (one file for North America, below that a file for
> USA and its neighbours, and below that the different states) in the future.
> 
> In detail, this will mean the following changes:
> 
> (a) for download links (pbf, bz2, diff directories etc)
> 
> * North America remains unchanged.
> * US states (and Norcal/Socal) remain unchanged.
> * new http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america/us-latest.osm.pbf and
> ancillary files
> * the five census regions (Midwest, Northeast, Pacific, South, West)
> will be demoted by one directory from currently
> /north-america/us-midwest-latest.osm.pbf to
> /north-america/us/us-midwest-latest.osm.pbf - but I will set up
> redirects so that the old locations still work for a while.
> 
> (b) for HTML pages
> 
> * http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america.html will drop the US
> states and Census regions and instead list just three sub regions
> (Canada, USA, Mexico)
> * new http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america/us.html to list US
> states and census regions.
> 
> I will make these changes incrementally over the coming days. On the
> whole, this should cause minimum disruption; the only thing that will
> stop working is when someone has written instructions somewhere that go
> like "open the North America download page and select Iowa from the
> list" but I hope that people would then be able to guess that maybe they
> need to click on USA first.
> 
> If this has any unintended consequences let me know and we'll find a way
> to fix it.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
> PS: Just like with other countries, the "all of US" file is cut out of
> its parent continent file (North America) which means that those bits of
> the USA that lie outside North America will not be included. This mainly
> affects Puerto Rico. I'll be making a standalone Puerto Rico file
> available in the Central America section.
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Re: [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

[Martijn van Exel]

I actually like your suggestion that highway=trunk does not add much value
to the U.S. map, Eric.
We love to add detail / granularity to OSM so much, it can become hard to
envisage taking some away.
Not saying we should abolish trunk right here and now, but something I'd
consider as one outcome.
Martijn

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 7:27 AM Eric Ladner  wrote:

> I personally dislike "trunk".  Its definition is vague and leaves a lot to
> interpretation (and argument).  It doesn't really add anything to the
> information on the map, IMO.  A US Highway is a US Highway regardless of
> how much traffic it carries or how many stoplights it has.
>
> Maybe if the definition of "trunk" was solidified to something more
> specific, it would have a more valuable use case.
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 5:15 AM Mike N  wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2019 10:19 PM, Evin Fairchild wrote:
>> > some US routes are more important than others and lumping them all as
>> > primary doesn???t make any sense;
>>
>> The arguments here about relative importance of parallel routes makes
>> sense.
>>
>>Some massive changes such as in
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78620805 are raising roads which
>> have no other major choices, but are apparently just because they are
>> the most important.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Piggyback a SOTM bid with FOSS4G in Calgary

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Not Canadian and definitely not local to Calgary, but I just wanted to chime in 
to say I really enjoyed it when SOTM and FOSS4G were both in Denver, and I 
would love for that to happen again. If I can somehow support I'd be happy to.
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> The 2020 FOSS4G is being held August 24-29 in Calgary. This seems like a good 
> opportunity to submit a SOTM bid for either the weekend before or the weekend 
> after. I have a number of friends that can get funding from their company to 
> one but not both. Having both conferences in the same week will get us more 
> participation.
> 
> SOTM 2020 bids [1] are due next week, August 30th, so there isn't much time 
> left. I know that a couple of the lead people for FOSS4G are willing the 
> help. 
> 
> What are your thoughts on bidding on the 2020 SOTM? 
> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues
> 
> Best,
> Clifford 
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Re: [Talk-us] Next Virtual Mappy Hour - August 12

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Hi all, 
Reminder, Mappy Hour tonight! See below for details,
Martijn

> On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> The next Virtual Mappy Hour will be on August 12 at 6pm Pacific Time. Find 
> all the details and a sign-up link on the wiki[1].
> 
> Let me know if you want to do a 5 minute presentation about any OSM related 
> topic. Doesn't have to be anything big or fancy. We love to hear what you are 
> working on.
> 
> I hope to see you there.
> 
> Martijn
> 
> [1] 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours#Schedule
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[Talk-us] Next Virtual Mappy Hour - August 12

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Hi all, 

The next Virtual Mappy Hour will be on August 12 at 6pm Pacific Time. Find all 
the details and a sign-up link on the wiki[1].

Let me know if you want to do a 5 minute presentation about any OSM related 
topic. Doesn't have to be anything big or fancy. We love to hear what you are 
working on.

I hope to see you there.

Martijn

[1] 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

[Martijn van Exel]

I did. After Drishtie Patel announced a preview of this project[1] I gave it a 
go and shared my observations with them.
Martijn

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:16 PM, stevea  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure whether Martijn said this or not


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Re: [Talk-us] Next Mappy Hour July 10!

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Hi all, 

Thanks for participating in the Virtual Mappy Hour this week! We had a record 
number of 16 participants (from as far away as Poland and Japan) and lively 
discussion on a variety of mappy topics. I enjoyed it very much and I hope you 
did as well. 

I will announce the next Mappy Hour soon. I suggest we make the next one about 
field mapping and associated tools like StreetComplete, GoMap, Vespucci, 
Fieldpapers etc! What do you think?
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, at 12:34, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all, 
> Final call for people who want to present a mappy topic at tomorrow's 
> mappy hour!
> Doesn't have to be anything too formal / prepared.. Just take 5 minutes 
> to present what you work on / how you map / how OSM has changed your 
> life / what you think the difference is between amenity=pub and 
> amenity=bar / ... 
> In any case, see you tomorrow!
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> 
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, at 08:58, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > Here’s a reminder, Mappy Hour next Wednesday! Sending out the reminder 
> > a little early because of the upcoming holiday weekend. Details and 
> > sign up link in the thread below. So far we have 9 folks signed up. 
> > Signing up is optional but you get to express your topic preferences. 
> > So far we have a wide range:
> > 
> > * Tagging for data consumers
> > * Vodka
> > * Mapping bike routes and trails; and OSMAnd Specific considerations
> > * A future program to qualify new mappers
> > * Tips on how to quickly determine potentially missing/old information 
> > of existing ways (buildings, roads, forests, etc.) 
> > 
> > I hope to see you there! July 10 6pm PT / 9pm ET
> > 
> > Martijn
> > 
> > -- 
> >   Martijn van Exel
> >   m...@rtijn.org
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 16:05, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > > Here's a sign up link. It helps me a lot if you fill this out if you 
> > > plan to attend. Thanks!
> > > https://forms.gle/WktPPimyB69jGnH29
> > > -- 
> > >   Martijn van Exel
> > >   m...@rtijn.org
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 11:16, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour will be on July 10 at 6pm PT / 9pm 
> > > > ET!
> > > > As always the Mappy Hour is a great place to catch up with your fellow 
> > > > mappers, and learn something new. 
> > > > I am always looking for volunteers to do a 5 minute presentation on 
> > > > something they are working on. This can be a personal mapping project, 
> > > > a local mapping group update, something interesting going on at your 
> > > > company.. As long as it's OSM related!
> > > > See the OSM wiki for more details on how to join --> 
> > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours
> > > > See you then!
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> > > >   m...@rtijn.org
> > > > 
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Re: [Talk-us] Next Mappy Hour July 10!

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Hi all, 
Final call for people who want to present a mappy topic at tomorrow's mappy 
hour!
Doesn't have to be anything too formal / prepared.. Just take 5 minutes to 
present what you work on / how you map / how OSM has changed your life / what 
you think the difference is between amenity=pub and amenity=bar / ... 
In any case, see you tomorrow!
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  m...@rtijn.org

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, at 08:58, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> Here’s a reminder, Mappy Hour next Wednesday! Sending out the reminder 
> a little early because of the upcoming holiday weekend. Details and 
> sign up link in the thread below. So far we have 9 folks signed up. 
> Signing up is optional but you get to express your topic preferences. 
> So far we have a wide range:
> 
> * Tagging for data consumers
> * Vodka
> * Mapping bike routes and trails; and OSMAnd Specific considerations
> * A future program to qualify new mappers
> * Tips on how to quickly determine potentially missing/old information 
> of existing ways (buildings, roads, forests, etc.) 
> 
> I hope to see you there! July 10 6pm PT / 9pm ET
> 
> Martijn
> 
> -- 
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>   m...@rtijn.org
> 
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 16:05, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > Here's a sign up link. It helps me a lot if you fill this out if you 
> > plan to attend. Thanks!
> > https://forms.gle/WktPPimyB69jGnH29
> > -- 
> >   Martijn van Exel
> >   m...@rtijn.org
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 11:16, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour will be on July 10 at 6pm PT / 9pm 
> > > ET!
> > > As always the Mappy Hour is a great place to catch up with your fellow 
> > > mappers, and learn something new. 
> > > I am always looking for volunteers to do a 5 minute presentation on 
> > > something they are working on. This can be a personal mapping project, 
> > > a local mapping group update, something interesting going on at your 
> > > company.. As long as it's OSM related!
> > > See the OSM wiki for more details on how to join --> 
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours
> > > See you then!
> > > -- 
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> > >   m...@rtijn.org
> > > 
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Re: [Talk-us] Next Mappy Hour July 10!

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Hi all!

Here’s a reminder, Mappy Hour next Wednesday! Sending out the reminder a little 
early because of the upcoming holiday weekend. Details and sign up link in the 
thread below. So far we have 9 folks signed up. Signing up is optional but you 
get to express your topic preferences. So far we have a wide range:

* Tagging for data consumers
* Vodka
* Mapping bike routes and trails; and OSMAnd Specific considerations
* A future program to qualify new mappers
* Tips on how to quickly determine potentially missing/old information of 
existing ways (buildings, roads, forests, etc.) 

I hope to see you there! July 10 6pm PT / 9pm ET

Martijn

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On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 16:05, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Here's a sign up link. It helps me a lot if you fill this out if you 
> plan to attend. Thanks!
> https://forms.gle/WktPPimyB69jGnH29
> -- 
>   Martijn van Exel
>   m...@rtijn.org
> 
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 11:16, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour will be on July 10 at 6pm PT / 9pm 
> > ET!
> > As always the Mappy Hour is a great place to catch up with your fellow 
> > mappers, and learn something new. 
> > I am always looking for volunteers to do a 5 minute presentation on 
> > something they are working on. This can be a personal mapping project, 
> > a local mapping group update, something interesting going on at your 
> > company.. As long as it's OSM related!
> > See the OSM wiki for more details on how to join --> 
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours
> > See you then!
> > -- 
> >   Martijn van Exel
> >   m...@rtijn.org
> > 
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Re: [Talk-us] Next Mappy Hour July 10!

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Here's a sign up link. It helps me a lot if you fill this out if you plan to 
attend. Thanks!
https://forms.gle/WktPPimyB69jGnH29
-- 
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  m...@rtijn.org

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 11:16, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all,
> The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour will be on July 10 at 6pm PT / 9pm 
> ET!
> As always the Mappy Hour is a great place to catch up with your fellow 
> mappers, and learn something new. 
> I am always looking for volunteers to do a 5 minute presentation on 
> something they are working on. This can be a personal mapping project, 
> a local mapping group update, something interesting going on at your 
> company.. As long as it's OSM related!
> See the OSM wiki for more details on how to join --> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours
> See you then!
> -- 
>   Martijn van Exel
>   m...@rtijn.org
> 
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[Talk-us] Next Mappy Hour July 10!

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,
The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour will be on July 10 at 6pm PT / 9pm ET!
As always the Mappy Hour is a great place to catch up with your fellow mappers, 
and learn something new. 
I am always looking for volunteers to do a 5 minute presentation on something 
they are working on. This can be a personal mapping project, a local mapping 
group update, something interesting going on at your company.. As long as it's 
OSM related!
See the OSM wiki for more details on how to join --> 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours
See you then!
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[Talk-us] Announcing State of the Map US CFP info session next Monday

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

State of the Map US is in a few months and the CFP (call for proposals) is open 
for a few more weeks.

Perhaps you’ve been thinking about submitting a session but aren’t quite sure 
yet. Well I can assure you, you’re in good company.

To help out a bit I am hosting an info session next Monday. I’ll go over the 
submission process, I can give feedback on ideas, answer any question about 
speaking at SOTM US (or so I hope).

More info in this diary post, with link to sign up / join: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/218281 
 

Hope to see you there / then!

Martijn

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[Talk-us] Bus route relation names

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi, 

I started adding local bus route relations some time ago[1] (just the ways, not 
yet the stop locations etc) and named them according to the official names as 
listed on the UTA (agency) web site. I discussed this at one of our local map 
events. An example:

* UTA bus route 6 —> 
http://www.rideuta.com/Rider-Tools/Schedules-and-Maps/6-6th-Avenue?page=Bus-BusHome-Route6
 

 name: “6th Avenue”. 
* OSM relation —> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8338140 
 

As you can see `njtbusfan` has gone in and changed the name to something more 
descriptive but also something that doesn’t match either the official name *or* 
the suggested tagging[2] that suggests ": 
 → ”. I chose to use the official name but would be happy to conform 
to this convention if that’s what people tend to use in the U.S. as well. That 
is my first question.

What’s more, njtbusfan seems to have created new relations for the same route 
without adding them to the master relation. For example here is my master 
relation for UTA route 6: 8338141 
 which has the eastbound / 
westbound children 8338140  and 
8338139 . He added 9485804, 
9485805, 9485806, 9485807, 9485808, 9485809 which are not part of that master. 
Some of these routes contain new information (weekend routes) but some overlap 
with what was already there. Frankly I didn’t know how to map weekend / weekday 
variants of routes so I just stuck with the weekday route initially.

Finally, njbusfan did not check the OSM wiki for existing organized effort 
around adding bus routes in my area[1] or existing local conventions which 
suggested a naming convention that diverged from what’s on the wiki 
(appropriate or not).

So it’s a bit of a mess, and part of it may very well be me being a relative 
novice at this, but there are a few things that are demonstrably sloppy / 
wrong. But what concerns me is that this mapper seems to have been going around 
the country adding / changing bus route relations. I have initiated a 
discussion with them here[3] and would like it if others can weigh in here as 
well. Njtbusfan, if you’re on this list, thanks for reading and let us know 
your plans, please.

Martijn

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Utah/Transit 
 
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Service_routes 
 
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69327505 
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Re: [Talk-us] Reminder - Mappy Hour this Wednesday!

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Hey, 
That was fun. We had about 15 people participating. Thank you all!
Alan presented on using Map Paint Styles in JOSM. Bryce talked about his quest 
to stop SEO spam from a company named e-gumball (?). I would love to see a 
write-up or SOTM US talk about this. We also touched on imports, SOTM US, and 
mapping for people with mobility limitations (see accessmap.io 
<http://accessmap.io/>, opensidewalks.com <http://opensidewalks.com/>).
The next mappy hour is scheduled for May 22. We will have Geoff Maas presenting 
about Open Data in Minnesota.
One critical note. From what I can tell we were 100% men. I don’t like that. 
Who will help me change that?
Martijn

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I final reminder that mappy hour is happening TONIGHT at 6pm PT / 9pm ET. You 
> can use anything from zoom to your rotary dial phone to call in and chat 
> about OSM for an hour. Details in the link below. Bring a drink and a story, 
> grab a chair and relax.
> Martijn
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour is this Wednesday at 6pm PT / 9PM ET!
>> If you want to do a 5 minute presentation / lightning talk / discussion 
>> starter about anything OSM related, yes please! Please feel free to add your 
>> topic to the wiki[1] or just email me and we will make it happen.
>> The dial-in and Zoom connect information are also on that same wiki page.
>> I am happy to answer any questions you may have.
>> I hope you can make it!
>> Martijn
>> 
>> [1] 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours#Presentations
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Reminder - Mappy Hour this Wednesday!

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Hi all,
I final reminder that mappy hour is happening TONIGHT at 6pm PT / 9pm ET. You 
can use anything from zoom to your rotary dial phone to call in and chat about 
OSM for an hour. Details in the link below. Bring a drink and a story, grab a 
chair and relax.
Martijn

> On Apr 22, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour is this Wednesday at 6pm PT / 9PM ET!
> If you want to do a 5 minute presentation / lightning talk / discussion 
> starter about anything OSM related, yes please! Please feel free to add your 
> topic to the wiki[1] or just email me and we will make it happen.
> The dial-in and Zoom connect information are also on that same wiki page.
> I am happy to answer any questions you may have.
> I hope you can make it!
> Martijn
> 
> [1] 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours#Presentations
> 
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[Talk-us] Reminder - Mappy Hour this Wednesday!

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Hi all, 
The next OSM US Virtual Mappy Hour is this Wednesday at 6pm PT / 9PM ET!
If you want to do a 5 minute presentation / lightning talk / discussion starter 
about anything OSM related, yes please! Please feel free to add your topic to 
the wiki[1] or just email me and we will make it happen.
The dial-in and Zoom connect information are also on that same wiki page.
I am happy to answer any questions you may have.
I hope you can make it!
Martijn

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Virtual_Mappy_Hours#Presentations



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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

[Martijn van Exel]

Paul,
You can upload any image you want to OpenStreetCam if you think it’s useful for 
mappers. What kind of ’support’ are you looking for?
Martijn

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Is OSC only concerned with street level imagery, or does it also support 
> cycleways, paths, pedestrian features, etc?
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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

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I hadn’t looked at that page in a while, but I’ve been using highway=path in 
the same way as you describe. Hiking trails, singletrack MTB. Footway I only 
tag in built up areas. 
What do other places in the world do?
Martijn

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 8:28 AM, brad  wrote:
> 
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most part 
> they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately the wiki says 
> this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
> 
> A non-specific path. Use highway <>=footway 
>  for paths mainly 
> for walkers, highway <>=cycleway 
>  for one also 
> usable by cyclists,highway <>=bridleway 
>  for ones 
> available to horse riders as well as walkers and highway <>=track 
>  for ones which is 
> passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
> 
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail tagging 
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   Perhaps if the 
> international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US 
> road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging 
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[Talk-us] Virtual Mappy Hour, April 2019

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

The first Virtual Mappy Hour (after a multi-year hiatus) was great fun and, if 
you ask me, a success. I enjoyed (re)connecting with fellow mappers which I 
think is a big piece of what OSM is all about! So we will do more of them, for 
now every month. The next one is planned for April 24 at 6pm Pacific time.

For next time I would like to offer a challenge. Who wants 5 minutes to present 
something? This can be anything you want — your favorite mapped area on OSM, a 
tagging question or answer, a report on your local group. The only rule is that 
there needs to be one slide. We will do up to 4 5-minute presentations if 
people step up.

Let’s hear it!
Martijn
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[Talk-us] Your local events on weekly osm and the OSM wiki

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Hi, 

If you’re subscribed to or read weekly OSM (weeklyosm.eu 
) you will have noticed an event calendar on there. You 
may wonder, how do I get my local event to appear on there? 

The answer is that you need to edit 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar 
 , which acts as the 
source for both weeklyosm and the OSM event calendar on the wiki home page. 
This involves inserting some cryptic code into the wiki source. 

If you find that intimidating (I did!) drop me a line and I will add it for 
you, or I can show you how it’s done.

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcing our Interim Executive Director & Upcoming Election

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This is great to hear and I am excited for the future!
Maggie told me she was going to do her best to make the Mappy Hour tonight, so 
that would be a great opportunity to meet (virtually).
Martijn

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 7:39 AM, Jonah Adkins  wrote:
> 
> In 2018 the board was unable to spend much time working with and supporting 
> the US mapping community because the majority of the board’s volunteer time 
> was spent on a hiring process that unfortunately did not work out as planned. 
> It became clear that the absence of an Executive Director was a step 
> backwards for the organization, and that it would be best for someone to step 
> into the role as soon as possible. We’re excited to announce that we have 
> hired Maggie Cawley to serve as interim Executive Director. Please give her a 
> warm welcome! [@MaggieMaps].
> 
> Maggie brings fifteen years of professional geospatial experience, 
> specializing in open source geospatial tools and education. Her passion for 
> maps has taken her all over the world - leading field data collection 
> efforts, training others in open source geospatial tools, or just spreading 
> the word about OpenStreetMap. She has been a board member for the last two 
> years and has also been a long time volunteer for TeachOSM, where she has 
> worked to promote the integration of geography into classrooms through 
> OpenStreetMap and supported teachers wanting to learn about OSM.
> 
> Now, Maggie will be based in Baltimore working full time to support and grow 
> OpenStreetMap US. For the remainder of the year, Maggie will be working with 
> the community and the board to develop a strategic plan for the organization, 
> including new programs and ideas for OpenStreetMap US. She will be connecting 
> with the community as much as possible, developing ways to expand programming 
> and membership, leading fundraising efforts, and supporting the board with 
> day-to-day administrative responsibilities. We believe her passion for maps, 
> professional experience, and dedication to the OpenStreetMap community will 
> benefit OpenStreetMap US over the coming months and we hope you will reach 
> out and help us welcome her into this new role.
> 
> Election to Fill Vacant Seat
> 
> As a result of taking on the interim ED role, Maggie is stepping down from 
> her seat on the board and we will need to fill her shoes through an election. 
> We urge you to nominate yourself or someone else to join the Board for the 
> remainder of the year. As a board member, you will help plan for State of the 
> Map US, be a part of the strategic planning process for the organization, and 
> support the US mapping community.
> 
> Questions? Join the #elections channel on OSM US Slack, tweet us, or email us 
> anytime.
> 
> Nomination Instructions
> 
> Nominations will be open from today, March 25 until Sunday March 31. To 
> nominate yourself, please go to the election wiki page, and add yourself to 
> the list. You can also see more information about the schedule and updated 
> timeline there.
> 
> Election Details
> 
> Monday April 1 and end Sunday April 7. This year based on popular request 
> we’re excited to announce that we’ll be using Ranked Choice Voting. To be 
> permitted to vote please make sure your OpenStreetMap US membership is in 
> good standing by March 31. We should be able to announce the new board member 
> on April 8.
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[Talk-us] Reminder: Virtual Mappy Hour tonight!

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Hi all, don't forget that the Virtual Mappy Hour is tonight!

The details (phone, video) are in this email --> 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2019-March/019380.html 

The time is 6pm Pacific / 9pm Eastern.

Some topics we will talk about:
* OSM US news: Executive Director, Elections
* Emerging details about State of the Map US
* Discussion: who is attending local mapping groups, or organizing one even? 
What are your experiences?
* Mapping and Tagging: bring your favorite topic to discuss!
* What do YOU want out of the Mappy Hour? Presentations? Guests? Other Topics? 
Discussion.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Congratulations everyone!

[Martijn van Exel]

That's wonderful, Kate.
I saw some more pictures on the OSMF Flickr account, but those also 
don't show enough detail to make out what this record is..I'm curious 
too! :)

Martijn

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 11:02 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
 wrote:

Hi Kate,

Thank you for sharing!

I read the article and the description of the Award for Projects of 
Social Benefit. Still I have a question, - is it a music plate, what 
you hold in your hands on the photo? If yes, what kind of music it 
contains?


Unfortunately, the photos in the article are rather small and cannot 
be zoomed in. Would it be too much to ask to make an HD photo of the 
award, publish it online, and sent us the link?


It seems to me there is a text on the award, and I am curious what it 
says. But on the photos in the article the text is not readable.


Best regards,
Oleksiy

On 3/24/19 07:49, Kate Chapman wrote:

Hi All,

Today the OpenStreetMap project won the Award for Projects of Social 
Benefit from the Free Software Foundation. This was awarded at 
LibrePlanet.


Way to go everyone who has ever contributed to OSM!

Read more from the FSF here: 
https://www.fsf.org/news/openstreetmap-and-deborah-nicholson-win-2018-fsf-awards


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Re: [Talk-us] Online mappy hour

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

Quite a few people can make next Thursday the 28th, at 6pm PDT / 9pm 
EDT. So let's hold the mappy hour then.


Please find the dial-in and video options below. There are zoom clients 
for Windows, Linux, and Mac if you want to participate with video.


I look forward to chatting on Thursday.

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On 3/18/19 11:05 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

Hi all,

You may remember that I hosted online ‘virtual mappy hours’ a few years ago.

I thought it was nice and I want to resume them.

Some topics for a next one:

* State of the map US — what would make you want to be there? Thinking about 
presenting? Some details about the planning process
* Imports — I feel like we’ve seen quite a few proposals lately. Opinions? Did 
you submit a proposal and want to discuss?
* Ask the board — I’ll invite someone from the board to attend for a Q
* MapRoulette — If you all are interested I am happy to talk about the latest 
features or walk you through how to set up a challenge.
* your favorite topic, let me know.

How does next Thursday 6pm PDT / 9pm EDT sound? I’m open to alternative times, 
if you’re interested in joining you get to help decide when we’ll do it :)

There will be a video option (zoom) but you will also be able to dial-in if you 
don’t fancy proprietary tools on your computer. I’ll send details once we 
settle on a day and time.

Looking forward to chatting!

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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

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> On Mar 22, 2019, at 4:08 AM, Mark Wagner  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:23:48 -0600
> Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Wagner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:46:59 -0600
>>> Martijn van Exel mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I plan to run an automated edit that will revert part of the GNIS
>>>>> import that added them and delete objects that never had any
>>>>> reason to appear in the OSM database in any form, at least
>>>>> according to GNIS data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will
>>>>> not make the edit without a clear support so please comment if
>>>>> you think that it is a good idea and if you think that it should
>>>>> not be done. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for bringing the idea up. It actually did come up fairly
>>>> recently on Slack
>>>> https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1550176430103000 
>>>> 
>>>> My view is that we would be missing an opportunity to have mappers
>>>> review these locations and update the areas concerned. These nodes
>>>> exist mostly in ‘undermapped' / remote areas that could use some
>>>> human mapper attention. So I’d be in favor of trying to resolve
>>>> this using some human driven cleanup first.  
>>> 
>>> My experience is that this will mostly just make things worse.
>>> 
>>> There was a MapRoulette task a while back for cleaning up
>>> unmodified GNIS-imported schools.  There were only a few of them
>>> left around me, but the most common result was that an armchair
>>> mapper would drag the node to a nearby non-house-looking building,
>>> trace the building, and merge it with the imported node.  Not one
>>> of these was actually a school.
>>> 
>> 
>> Do you think this could have been prevented had there been better
>> instructions?
> 
> No, I don't.  Sorting out which GNIS nodes are outdated and which are
> merely misplaced isn't something that can reliably be done from aerial
> imagery.  For something like "(historical)" GNIS nodes, it's better
> just to delete all of them.
> 

Short of messaging individual mappers, do you see a way in which MapRoulette 
could be a ‘better citizen’?
I’m thinking perhaps a way to ‘report’ challenges. (Not sure how that would 
work though.)

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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Wagner  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:46:59 -0600
> Martijn van Exel mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I plan to run an automated edit that will revert part of the GNIS
>>> import that added them and delete objects that never had any reason
>>> to appear in the OSM database in any form, at least according to
>>> GNIS data.
>>> 
>>> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
>>> make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
>>> that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be
>>> done.   
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for bringing the idea up. It actually did come up fairly
>> recently on Slack
>> https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1550176430103000 
>> 
>> My view is that we would be missing an opportunity to have mappers
>> review these locations and update the areas concerned. These nodes
>> exist mostly in ‘undermapped' / remote areas that could use some
>> human mapper attention. So I’d be in favor of trying to resolve this
>> using some human driven cleanup first.
> 
> My experience is that this will mostly just make things worse.
> 
> There was a MapRoulette task a while back for cleaning up
> unmodified GNIS-imported schools.  There were only a few of them left
> around me, but the most common result was that an armchair mapper would
> drag the node to a nearby non-house-looking building, trace the
> building, and merge it with the imported node.  Not one of these was
> actually a school.
> 

Do you think this could have been prevented had there been better instructions?

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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

[Martijn van Exel]

Re-reading this I phrased this with more hyperbole than I intended, sorry.

I do think we should learn from past mistakes and approach any automated edit, 
be it an import or a (subsequent) fix, with the proper diligence. Which is what 
we’re doing here, and I commend you for taking an open-minded approach in your 
initial email.

Martijn

> On Mar 21, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Stepping back a bit, the urge to fix previous automated edits with new 
> automated fixes is understandable, but it may lead to a more casual approach 
> to imports and automated edits, because we basically say with each fix that 
> ill-informed automated map edits can always be fixed with more automated 
> edits later. We’ve already gone down that path in the U.S. quite far, so we 
> should proceed with extra care - unless we as a community decide that that is 
> the nature of OSM in this country. It isn’t to me.
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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

[Martijn van Exel]

> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
> 
> I plan to run an automated edit that will revert part of the GNIS
> import that added them and delete objects that never had any reason to
> appear in the OSM database in any form, at least according to GNIS data.
> 
> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
> make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
> that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done. 


Thanks for bringing the idea up. It actually did come up fairly recently on 
Slack https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C029HV951/p1550176430103000 

My view is that we would be missing an opportunity to have mappers review these 
locations and update the areas concerned. These nodes exist mostly in 
‘undermapped' / remote areas that could use some human mapper attention. So I’d 
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Re: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Ross, 
It shouldn’t be long at all before the trip shows up on your own profile page. 
You should see it appearing there even as it uploads. After uploading,  it may 
show as ‘processing’ for a little while as OSC adds privacy blurring and sign 
detections. After that is done, the trip should be publicly visible, in most 
cases within hours if not minutes. At that time the images should appear in 
JOSM and iD as well.
Let me know 
Martijn

> On Mar 19, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martijin,
> 
> When an upload completes how long should it take to show on the 
> openstreetcam.org website?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ross
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/03/19 01:08, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Howdy.
>> 
>> We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
>> received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize 
>> this time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device 
>> that lets you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is 
>> open now until April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than 
>> other mappers to win. Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
>> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
>>  
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
>>  .
>> 
>> Related: 
>> * A previous blog post 
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
>>  about the impact of competition number 1 
>> * the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
>>  was just updated with some new features as well.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
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Re: [Talk-ca] Defining a local mapper group

[Martijn van Exel]

If you’re interested in forming local mapper groups based on actual 
contributions to OSM you are free to use the Meet Your Mapper tool I built a 
little while ago.

You can draw a bounding box and retrieve a list of mappers who contributed 
there. It generates some basic stats such as number of nodes / ways / relations 
and tries to classify mappers in a few categories. 

Some more information here: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/44833 
 and the tool lives at 
https://mym.rtijn.org/  

Martijn

> On Mar 19, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Jonathan Brown  wrote:
> 
> Ideally, a local mapper/group would be one that contributed data to an open 
> digital map that can be verified and used to solve a problem (e.g., food 
> security, fresh water, climate change, etc.). The local mapping group should 
> be able to contribute data via satellite imagery, open data, and/or a 
> physical location. The challenge is how to cultivate and maintain local 
> mapper groups based on volunteer work. 
>  
> Jonathan Brown
>  
> From: John Whelan 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
> To: Jonathan Brown 
> Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Local groups as part of import plan
>  
> The problem is defining and contacting a local group.  Once defined then they 
> can make the decision.
> 
> I've seen as few as two people make a local group decision on an import 
> before now although normally it is done over coffee.
> 
> Also we get into who is a local mapper.
> 
> Many people have an interest in seeing the data imported but I'm under the 
> impression only those with a OpenStreetMap userid who have contributed count.
> 
> Would anyone care to define a local mapper or group?
> 
> Thanks John
> 
> Jonathan Brown wrote on 2019-03-15 9:46 AM:
> 
> Could we get Stats Can to support a few local groups who want to use a common 
> framework for a collaborative research project that addresses a sustainable 
> development goal outcome (e.g., the OSM fresh security challenge 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security 
>  and 
> https://www.usda.gov/topics/food-and-nutrition/food-security 
> ) ? 
>  
> Jonathan 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto appreciation

[Martijn van Exel]

That’s so nice!
I hope to meet some of you there. I’ll have to leave around 6pm unfortunately.
And obviously it’s layer=-1, not level :)
Martijn

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Steve Singer  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, and Toronto mappers in particular.I am currently visiting Toronto 
>> and using OSM
>> extensively to get around using maps.me and the OSM web site mainly.
>> The level of detail and completeness are amazing, a big thanks to all 
>> Toronto mappers.
>> I didn’t know about PATH, the level=-1 pedestrian infrastructure, which 
>> seems to be well mapped
>> also. Amazing.
>> If any of you are around, I have some time tomorrow in the afternoon, if you 
>> want to get a coffee
>> or a beer.
>> Martijn
> 
> I've posted an event to the meetup group (based on Martijn proposal) for 
> Tuesday March 19, 4:00pm at C'est what.
> 
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/events/259886903/
> 
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Re: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Michael — I’ll have the team look into it. The Android app code is undergoing 
some refactoring, I’ll see if this will be fixed as part of that.
Martijn

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Michael James  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin
>  
> I’ve only just started trying with the app, is there any word on when the bug 
> with ODB2 & BT getting fixed
>  
> Namely this open bug :-
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/android/issues/125 
> <https://github.com/openstreetcam/android/issues/125>
>  
> My testing shows that you really need the ODB adapter when doing urban 
> streets as the GPS averaging is too slow to deal with the acceleration 
> changes.
>  
> Thanks Michael
>  
>  
> From: Martijn van Exel mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 1:08 AM
> To: OSM Australian Talk List  <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition
>  
> Howdy.
> 
> We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
> received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize 
> this time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device 
> that lets you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is open 
> now until April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than other 
> mappers to win. Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
>  
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
>  .
>  
> Related: 
> * A previous blog post 
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
>  about the impact of competition number 1 
> * the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
>  was just updated with some new features as well.
>  
> Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
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[Talk-ca] Toronto appreciation

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Hi all, and Toronto mappers in particular.
I am currently visiting Toronto and using OSM extensively to get around using 
maps.me  and the OSM web site mainly.
The level of detail and completeness are amazing, a big thanks to all Toronto 
mappers.
I didn’t know about PATH, the level=-1 pedestrian infrastructure, which seems 
to be well mapped also. Amazing.
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Re: [Talk-us] Online mappy hour

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> On Mar 18, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Richard Welty  wrote:
[..]
> next thursday as in the 21st or the 28th? i'm going to be on my flight
> to IETF on the 21st but back on the 28th if the airlines cooperate.

Sorry, I meant the 28th.

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[Talk-us] Online mappy hour

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

You may remember that I hosted online ‘virtual mappy hours’ a few years ago. 

I thought it was nice and I want to resume them.

Some topics for a next one:

* State of the map US — what would make you want to be there? Thinking about 
presenting? Some details about the planning process
* Imports — I feel like we’ve seen quite a few proposals lately. Opinions? Did 
you submit a proposal and want to discuss?
* Ask the board — I’ll invite someone from the board to attend for a Q
* MapRoulette — If you all are interested I am happy to talk about the latest 
features or walk you through how to set up a challenge.
* your favorite topic, let me know.

How does next Thursday 6pm PDT / 9pm EDT sound? I’m open to alternative times, 
if you’re interested in joining you get to help decide when we’ll do it :)

There will be a video option (zoom) but you will also be able to dial-in if you 
don’t fancy proprietary tools on your computer. I’ll send details once we 
settle on a day and time.

Looking forward to chatting!

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[talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Howdy.

We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize this 
time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device that lets 
you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is open now until 
April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than other mappers to win. 
Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
 .

Related: 
* A previous blog post 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
 about the impact of competition number 1 
* the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
 was just updated with some new features as well.

Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your thoughts on osm.org

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, thanks for sharing. Some recurring / interesting topics I picked up:

* More attention to community, local groups, mapping together, the ‘people’ 
aspect of OSM
* Still have a map but smaller
* More information directly on or accessible from main page, for example
* How-to / learn to map
* What is OSM (video?)
* Showcasing things that are made / done with OSM data

Martijn

> On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Here’s something I ask myself from time to time and would like to hear other 
> people’s thoughts about.
> 
> Imagine the openstreetmap.org home page, but without the map.
> What would the home page be about instead? What would be on it?
> 
> Thanks for sharing,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Maproulette

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
...
> I was rather interested in checking whatever there is any place in world with 
> more
> mappers than task.
> I created Maproulette task long time ago and noone was solving it, one of 
> reasons was
> that it was in places flooded anyway with Maproulette tasks and without any 
> active users.

The original premise of MapRoulette was that it doesn’t matter where you are, 
you can solve any task from anywhere. This is still true today[1], so if there 
is a challenge that doesn’t get solved there may be another reason for it. I 
can always feature it for you if you want, then it appears at the top of the 
list and on the landing page.

Martijn

[1] However, with mobile support coming, there will be opportunities to support 
tasks that require on the ground survey. Once we get there, challenges that 
require eyes on the ground would be tagged as such. Current users of the 
MapRoulette API such as Vespucci could use that to filter tasks.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Maproulette

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:39 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
...
> 
> Are you aware about any location across the world that suffers from
> lack of tasks in Maproulette for mappers?
> 
> I would create something there (though not for shop=yes, it often requires 
> survey).

You can create a global challenge if you want, but 140,000 may be stretching it 
a bit on the server. You’re welcome to try though.
There are a few ways in which mappers can narrow down to ‘local’ tasks.
1) when you zoom in far enough on the main map you will see all tasks in the 
area and you can create a ‘virtual’ challenge with just those tasks
2) You can opt to work on tasks based on proximity to the current task. This 
will prevent you from ‘jumping’ randomly around the world
3) Soon, MapRoulette will also support mobile devices natively
4) If you’re a developer or technically inclined, you can use the MapRoulette 
API to retrieve tasks selectively, 
https://maproulette.org/docs/swagger-ui/index.html 
 you’re welcome to use this 
in any app or other web site.

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[OSM-talk] Your thoughts on osm.org

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

Here’s something I ask myself from time to time and would like to hear other 
people’s thoughts about.

Imagine the openstreetmap.org home page, but without the map.
What would the home page be about instead? What would be on it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to save Overpass query results to a GeoJSON file with Python?

[Martijn van Exel]

Carlos — I am the maintainer of that library Bryce provided the sample code 
for. I am happy to answer any specific questions about it. However, I’d advise 
you take some time to study python first. Without a basic understanding of the 
language you are programming in, you are unlikely to be successful at solving 
problems using that language. There are many excellent, free python learning 
resources available.

Martijn

> On Mar 11, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Carlos Cámara Menoyo via talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the clarification, Matheus and for the link, Dave (I am afraid 
> that's not what I was looking for, as it still requires to download data on 
> osm format).
> 
> I tried Bryce's code, which uses overpass api python wrapper 
> (https://github.com/mvexel/overpass-api-python-wrapper 
> ), and it just works 
> fine! 
> 
> Unfortunately, I have to admit that I don't wholly understand it (I have just 
> landed in Python's world). Would you be so kind to explain the following?:
> Can I add the query in more than a single line? (the provided one is quite 
> simple and still it is long) If so, how? (from what I am seeing Python is 
> very strict dealing with new lines)
> what's going on after the result? I understand there's where the magic of 
> creating a gjson file happens, but can't understand much about it.
> Regards and thank you again to everyone!
> 
> Carlos Cámara-Menoyo
> https://carloscamara.es 
> 
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday 11 March de 2019 a les 18:34, Dave F via talk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Unsure, but would OSMtoGeojson be of use?
>> https://github.com/tyrasd/osmtogeojson 
>> 
>> 
>> DaveF
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/03/2019 10:18, Carlos Cámara Menoyo via talk wrote:
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> 
>>> I have just started to use Python and I would like to make a query to 
>>> Overpass and store the results in a geospatial format (e.g. GeoJSON) so I 
>>> can programatically update the data.
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, there is a library called overpy that should be what I am 
>>> looking for. After reading [its 
>>> documentation](https://python-overpy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/example.html 
>>> ) I came up 
>>> with the following code:
>>> 
>>> import
>>> 
>>> overpy
>>> 
>>> API
>>> 
>>> =
>>> 
>>> overpy
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Overpass
>>> 
>>> ()
>>> 
>>> # Fetch highways within Granollers' city.
>>> 
>>> result
>>> 
>>> =
>>> 
>>> API
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> query
>>> 
>>> (
>>> 
>>> """
>>> area[name="Granollers"][admin_level=8];
>>> // query part for: “highway=*”
>>> (way["highway"](area);
>>> relation["highway"](area);
>>> );
>>> // print results
>>> out body;
>>> """
>>> 
>>> )
>>> 
>>> The thing is that I am not familiar at all with Python and I don't know how 
>>> to store result as a GeoJSON file (Honestly, I don't even know what kind of 
>>> thing result is -I tried with type(result) and I get overpy.Result as an 
>>> output, which doesn't mean much to my poor knowledge). I have been reading 
>>> overpy documentation but I haven't been able to figure it out.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone give me a clue with this?
>>> 
>>> Carlos Cámara-Menoyo
>>> https://carloscamara.es 
>>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Martijn van Exel]

I've slept in some pretty nice places that had exterior room access. I wouldn't 
call that out as the only demarcating property. To my mind it's a combination 
of location, amenities and layout / architecture.

Interesting discussion!

Martijn van Exel

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 18:03, Tod Fitch  wrote:
> 
> For me the difference is interior hallway to access room (hotel) vs exterior 
> access to each room (motel).
> 
> 
>> On March 8, 2019 4:47:33 PM PST, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
>> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
>> 
>> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story building 
>> where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of your room. A 
>> hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story where most 
>> guests cannot park directly outside their room.
>> 
>> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the 
>> road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the 
>> building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] US map rendering (Was: Re: Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet))

[Martijn van Exel]

Kevin — yes, I was talking about SOTM US. Please do stay tuned to this list and 
OSM US blog for announcements for community scholarships and other initiatives 
we will deploy to make it possible to have many more community members attend 
(and also present! on interesting topics like this one.)

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Kevin Kenny  wrote:
> 
> Finding the time and money to attend a conference that my employer
> doesn't sponsor is hard for me at the moment, particularly since I'm
> already committed once or twice a year to conferences on another "free
> time" (hah!) project. (Also, I presume you mean SOTM-US? An overseas
> conference would add a whole other level of complexity to my getting
> to go.)

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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Martijn van Exel]

Perhaps they should be tagged not as peaks then but as a place node 
(place=locality probably)?

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:29 AM Kevin Broderick  > wrote:
> 
> Would https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4992960980 
>  be an example of (or very 
> similar to) what you're talking about? 
> Yes, slightly different, but same general concept.  
> 
> 
> I've been told that one is a local reference point ("25 Short", ie. 25 feet 
> short of 10k), and at least one article 
> (https://rootsrated.com/stories/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-to-the-best-backcountry-skiing-in-jackson-hole
>  
> )
>  backs that up.
> I have seen back country trip reports mention such points (at least those 
> that are high points), and they have *some* value therefore, but as I 
> suggested earlier, "point n,nnn" is to me more of a description rather than a 
> name in most cases.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Martijn van Exel]

I agree that a local US OSM map with a *subtly* adapted rendering would be 
fantastic. Phil Gold did some interesting work years ago on rendering US style 
highway shields taking into account (sometimes crazy) route concurrency 
(http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=13=39.75926=-86.02786=B
 
<http://elrond.aperiodic.net/shields/?zoom=13=39.75926=-86.02786=B>
 - note that this is based on years-old data and probably pre-carto-switch 
stylesheet). Lars Ahlzen created the beautiful TopOSM which is a lot more 
divergent from the main map style, but another great example of initiatives 
around custom map rendering coming out of the US community.

Perhaps something for a BoF session at the next SOTM!

Finally, I don’t think it’s a funding or infrastructure issue. It’s just that 
someone needs to lead it.

Martijn

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Kevin Kenny  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:59 AM Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>> If it’s just a shortcut to have the main OSM map display elevation in feet, 
>> that’s not right, but it indicates a need that is currently unaddressed: 
>> displaying elevation in local units on the main map.
> 
> Even as a USAian, I'm fine with SI units on the main map. If the
> USAians need a map localised to US conventional units, let the USAians
> host it.
> 
> (and openstreetmap.us miught be a perfect place to put such a thing,
> but I know, the infrastructure and funding really isn't there.)

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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Martijn van Exel]

If it’s locally known as such, to my mind, it’s totally fine tagging it that 
way, even if it’s only by backcountry skiers. I would say this is common in 
OSM, I see (and appreciate) a lot of named trails that are not always 
signposted as such but locally known by those names (like 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/624949038 
). Local knowledge trumps most 
everything in OSM.

If it’s just a shortcut to have the main OSM map display elevation in feet, 
that’s not right, but it indicates a need that is currently unaddressed: 
displaying elevation in local units on the main map. I don’t see a ticket 
currently on the osm-carto repo that addresses this. I think it would be hard 
to get ’regional’ rendering preferences accepted however. A better / other way 
to improve on this is to change the convention for the ele tag to be more like 
maxspeed: default to meters but allow other units to be entered as ‘8801 ft’ 
for a value. Then osm-carto could pick that up more easily.

Martijn

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Kevin Broderick  wrote:
> 
> To elaborate on my previous response, now that I'm back at a computer:
> 
> Would https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4992960980 
>  be an example of (or very 
> similar to) what you're talking about?
> 
> I've been told that one is a local reference point ("25 Short", ie. 25 feet 
> short of 10k), and at least one article 
> (https://rootsrated.com/stories/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-to-the-best-backcountry-skiing-in-jackson-hole
>  
> )
>  backs that up. The old USGS quad does have a point elevation of 9975' on 
> that knob, but it looks to more properly be a shoulder of a larger mountain, 
> not a proper mountain on its own.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that the current tagging is correct, but in this case (and 
> I believe in some others, although I don't even have anecdotes to back that 
> up), point elevation marks on USGS maps have become the "names" for local 
> topographical features. They're a little wonky on the 
> on-the-ground-verifiability (you can easily verify that a height-of-land 
> exists there, but I don't know that there's a sign or survey marker 
> indicating "this is 9975" or "this is 25 Short"), but [some] locals who 
> travel in the vicinity will use the reference. So it seems like something 
> that may be very reasonable to map, but I don't know what the best tagging 
> scheme is. I do think that normalizing to meters loses the meaning in the 
> current tag-for-the-renderer scheme, because a '3040m' label isn't going to 
> translate well to '25 Short' or '9975' unless you happen to particularly good 
> at math.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:53 AM Dave Swarthout  > wrote:
> This is simply a way to get an otherwise unnamed peak to render and also, I 
> suspect, to sidestep the inconvenience of converting the elevation to meters. 
>  AFAIK, there are no peaks with the generic name "Point" on any USGS Topos. 
> In addition, placing the elevation into the name is another trick that should 
> be discouraged.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:38 PM Mateusz Konieczny  > wrote:
> If it is a peak then ele=XXX and noname=yes would be OK.
> 
> If it is not a peak it should not be present at all - otherwise it opens way 
> to importing
> LIDAR data into OSM (and there are datasets with resolution of 5 cm, dumping 
> it
> into OSM would be case of unverifiable data making it impossible to edit).
> 
> I opened https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1703462 
>  to reduce chance that it will be 
> discussed 
> and forgotten.
> 
> If this is really used name - then it would be OK but my bet is that this is 
> not an actually used name.
> 
> Mar 7, 2019, 7:04 PM by miketh...@gmail.com :
> It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least, perhaps 
> mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations (presumably 
> from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as 
> natural=peak
> name=Point (elevation in feet)
> 
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717 
> 
> 
> What does the community think about this?
> 
> natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high point 
> (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the map at 
> all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Martijn van Exel]

That doesn’t seem right to me. Natural=peak is for actual high points in the 
landscape, and should be named by their established names, if available. 
Elevation, as you say, should be in meters on the ele tag.

Best thing to do is probably to send these folks a kind note pointing out OSM 
conventions and asking them to cease. You could point out that there’s OSM 
based topo maps that overlay elevation info on OSM data. The lovely 
http://toposm.ahlzen.com/  comes to mind, but 
there’s also opentopomap.

Martijn

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least, perhaps 
> mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations (presumably 
> from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as 
> natural=peak
> name=Point (elevation in feet)
> 
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717 
> 
> 
> What does the community think about this?
> 
> natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high point 
> (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the map at 
> all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Martijn van Exel]

John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups 
through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but know 
the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.

Martijn

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to share 
> a work-in-progress.
> 
> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
> widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 
> 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once. 
> 
> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the 
> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling 
> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for 
> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it up 
> to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that leads to 
> a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in place by the 
> end of April.
> 
> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do this 
> - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts when 
> organising community events like the conference.
> 
> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow 
> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, 
> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath 
> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the 
> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF 
> undertaking?
> 
> Cheers
> John
> 
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick  > wrote:
> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html 
> ,
>  but haven't heard anything further since?
> 
> Just been doing some random browsing & found this 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia 
> , 
> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
> 
> Is any of that info still relevant?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

[Martijn van Exel]

Whatever we as a community prefer, let’s not add noise to the discussion by 
suggesting that it’s somehow hard to do because of UX requirements (as Simon 
points out correctly as well). Here’s Scout on an iPhone SE (75% fewer pixels 
than most modern smartphones, let alone desktop browsers): 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/rhodes/9558sk 
.

Martijn

> On Feb 28, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service" providers have 
> begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind an click-through 'About', 
> 'Credits', 'Legal' or '(i)' link. Examples:
> 
> https://docs.mapbox.com/help/img/android/android-first-steps-intro.png
> https://www.systemed.net/osm/IMG_1846.PNG
> 
> (This should be obvious but I am in no means meaning to pick on Mapbox or 
> Apple here - as anyone who knows me will testify, I have the utmost respect 
> both for Mapbox's technical chops, their ability to iterate on a compelling 
> product and their success in building the biggest mapping platform using OSM 
> data; and I've been an Apple fanboy since my first Mac IIsi back in, erk, 
> 1992. They're just the two that sprang to mind, bearing in mind that as 
> someone that old, these social networks about photos and stuff are way too 
> modern for me.)
> 
> It should also be said that many providers - the majority - provide 
> attribution in compliance with our policy at osm.org/copyright, i.e. showing 
> attribution in the corner of the map, and in many cases generously going 
> beyond with "Improve this map" pages; and that some providers will do great 
> things like this much of the time and resort to "(i)" or "About" only part of 
> the time.
> 
> The policy, introduced with the changeover to the ODbL, says:
> 
> "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contributors”... For a 
> browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner of the map."
> 
> There then follows an example screenshot of a map of Charlbury (woo) with a 
> credit in the corner. The OSM Foundation Legal FAQ is pretty much the same 
> (https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#Where_to_put_it.3F).
> 
> Historically the aim of requiring attribution has been partly to thank 
> contributors, and partly because it's a virtuous feedback loop. If you see a 
> map and it's wrong or incomplete, seeing "(c) OpenStreetMap" in the corner 
> shows you where the data comes from, so you can go and improve it. That way 
> we get more contributors, the map gets better, it's more valuable to its 
> consumers, so more people use it, so more people improve it... and so on.
> 
> The legal rationale is 4.3 in the Open Database Licence 
> (https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/index.html), and in particular 
> "if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated 
> with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, 
> views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work 
> aware that Content was obtained from the Database". The key phrase is 
> "reasonably calculated" and our view in 2012 was that, since the major 
> mapping providers (Google, Navteq/Nokia/HERE, TomTom etc.) required and 
> implemented on-screen attribution, "reasonably" meant that users would expect 
> a credit to be provided in that way. The OSMF FAQ makes this explicit: "you 
> should expect to credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and with the same 
> prominence as would be expected by any other map supplier".
> 
> Full mea culpa: the /copyright page says "should" rather than "must" purely 
> because I wrote the page, I'm British and I, we, talk like that 
> (http://termcoord.eu/2016/08/the-truth-behind-british-impoliteness/ , 
> especially the "I would suggest" line). It used to say "request" rather than 
> "require" for the same reason. In retrospect I should have realised not 
> everyone is British and we should really have hired a lawyer to review the 
> page. I think that months in the trenches of the licence change had probably 
> given us trench fever for things like that. Entirely my fault and I take full 
> responsibility for it (but you know, it's so great not to have to write 500 
> monthly mails to legal-talk@ any more).
> 
> So we need to decide what our response is to web/in-app maps that do not 
> provide attribution in the manner requested by osm.org/copyright. This 
> response might be:
> 
> a) we are happy for attribution to be behind a credits screen and we will 
> update our requirements to say so
> b) we will informally tolerate attribution being behind a credits screen but 
> we do not intend to update our requirements
> c) we are not happy for attribution to be behind a credits screen and we will 
> update our requirements to say so
> d) we are not happy for attribution to be behind a credits screen and we will 
> update our requirements to say so, and we will 

[talk-au] Sign detections from OpenStreetCam

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

You will remember from my previous messages to this list that OpenStreetCam 
held a competition to collect imagery in Australia (as well as in New Zealand). 
The winners have their gift cards, but the community as a whole gains as well. 
Our map team used the contributed imagery to generate a large enough training 
set for our sign detection platform to learn 45+ (and growing) 
Australia-specific sign types. You can use the detected signs to map in JOSM 
(iD in the future) if you install the OpenStreetCam plugin.

New imagery captured will be analyzed for signs almost immediately. If you go 
to your own trips you can click on the ‘detections’ tab to see results. 
Example: https://openstreetcam.org/details/999263/314/detections 
 

Note that none of this data will be added to OSM automatically — it is 
available for the community to use.

Here’s a blog post with some more detail: 
http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/
 

 

I hope that you will keep contributing to OSC to improve coverage and generate 
more of this useful mapping data.

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Re: [Talk-us] Map roulette challenges - Missing named roads [VA, NJ, NY, MN, SC]

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I did a fair amount and noticed similar things — some of the suggestions 
concern private drives, others are not corroborated by available aerials. But I 
did find a decent ratio of fixable things, and as you go through the tasks, you 
get a better sense of which ones are likely to be fixable. The rest you can 
just mark as too hard or not an issue.

As for TIGER fixing, I was inspired by Mike N’s posting about his TIGER fix up 
effort and figured you can use MapRoulette to do some of it. A comprehensive 
review of TIGER roads is probably best done using his Tasking Manager approach, 
but to review just the ‘main’ roads MapRoulette is quite usable. I created a 
challenge for Utah as a proof of concept and working my way through the tasks: 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3610 
 

If you want to help out, great. If you want to recreate this challenge for a 
different area, let me know. The overpass query can easily be adapted.

Martijn

> On Feb 13, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Kevin Kenny  wrote:
> 
> I've done some of the MapRoulette items for this project, but frankly
> I'm not that good at it. For the stuff nearest me, most of the missing
> roads are either too new to show on the orthos (which are updated on a
> rolling 4-year cycle) or else are old platted rights-of-way that are
> now abandoned. I find that I can't do much with them without
> boots-on-the-ground knowledge. I was therefore able definitively to
> dismiss a few of them with: "I've been there. There's no road," but
> that's been the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> Finding that sort of thing in the MapRoulette items that I have taken
> on makes me wonder what sort of data quality we'll get out of this
> effort. Frankly, I've found TIGER review (and this part of the world
> is still very much a TIGER desert!) looks to be more fruitful. I find
> the NYSDOT database to be an extremely useful cross-check on names and
> purported alignments, though. Many ways shown in TIGER around here
> were digitized from pencil sketches of census workers and can be
> hundreds of metres from the actual locations, but NYSDOT usually has
> its information derived at least crudely from survey data.
> 
> But perhaps I'm being too much of a perfectionist.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)
> via Talk-us  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Kevin for the tip! I have updated the instructions to call out the 
>> NYS ortho online imagery layer to look at for the NY challenge.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also, after some more fiddling with the roads dataset for the project, I 
>> have also reduced number of roads to check and updated the New York 
>> challenge here:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> New York: https://maproulette.org/mr3/admin/project/2346/challenge/3593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks again for the tip!
>> 
>> Oisin
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Talk-ko] MapRoulette now in Korean

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Hi all, 
Thanks to user Dongha Hwang there is now a Korean translation for MapRoulette.
Here is a diary entry with the news and also other new features: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/47670
Let me know if you have any questions about creating your own challenges for 
MapRoulette for mappers to fix!
Regards,
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[talk-au] OpenStreetCam competition results

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Hi everyone, 

The OpenStreetCam competition is over. Thanks to everyone who contributed! 
We’ll do a blog post about this soon on improveosm.org (that is the Telenav web 
site that has all our OSM related stuff) but I didn’t want to delay on 
announcing the WINNERS. I’ll post a link when it’s up. 

The numbers 1 in each country get $100 gift cards (in local dollars obviously), 
the two runners up in each country get $25 gift cards. We’re sending those out 
digitally today and tomorrow!

Australia

1 —> steve91 with 346251 points
2 —> robbie-bloggs with 222138 points
3 —> ConsEbt with 171420 points

New Zealand

1 —> ivss-xx with 354409 points
2 —> david-blyth with 332510 points
3 —> nicknz with 105825 points 

Total imagery collected is about 36 photos for Australia, and 168000 for 
New Zealand. Points awarded are 1 per photo but there’s a multiplier of up to 
10x (!) for roads with few or no previous coverage.

User nicknz —> I don’t have a way to contact you, if you’re reading this, 
please get in touch off-list so we can send you the gift card.
Everyone else we have contact info for.

If you feel you got close to a prize — we may do this again..Watch this space.

Don’t stop now! We’re using all photos to improve sign recognition for OSC and 
the more photos we have, the better that system gets.

Happy Mapping!
Martijn

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have 
> about a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded 
> to the most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up 
> the leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.
> 
> The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, 
> when the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, 
> comfortably doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw 
> a particularly nice trend upwards.
> 
> Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras 
> made that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has 
> around 20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit 
> more detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer 
> to give them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to 
> capture their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch 
> with me off-list.
> 
> Happy mapping,
> Martijn
> 
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/>
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel > <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
>> please get in touch to get your gift card.
>> 
>> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 
>> to make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 
>> 2018 and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
>> 
>> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now 
>> we are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing :)
>> --
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>>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon 
>>> gift card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>>> 
>>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered 
>>> roads get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 
>>> 20km trip is worth more than 6000 points: 
>>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> --
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Re: [Talk-ca] New MapRoulette challenge to address highway class flip-flops

[Martijn van Exel]

Harald — you can go into your User profile and change the Default Editor 
setting to ‘Edit just features in JOSM’. This will load just the ‘abnormal’ 
highway. You can then load more data around if if needed. If you don’t want to 
change the setting globally you can use keyboard shortcut ‘y’ to trigger this 
type of loading in JOSM on a task by task basis.

Hope this helps, 
Martijn

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Harald Kliems  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martijn:
> I just tried the challenge, and all of the first four tasks that came up 
> produce an "area too big" error in JOSM (long highways in very rural areas). 
> Is there any way to fix this? Or maybe warn people to not use JOSM for this 
> challenge?
>  Harald.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Martijn van Exel  <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> Per Matthew Darwin’s request on Twitter, my team prepared a MapRoulette 
> challenge for ‘highway class flip-flops’. What does this mean? Consecutive 
> ways that have a suspicious change from one highway= value to another and 
> then back to the former. This happens sometimes when mappers change the 
> highway= value for some way but miss a bridge somewhere. An example is 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53514358#map=19/51.23309/-116.65373 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53514358#map=19/51.23309/-116.65373> where 
> the bridge is marked as residential but the two adjoining ways are marked as 
> unclassified.
> 
> You can find the challenge at https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588 
> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588> and your feedback is very 
> welcome.There are ~300 tasks.
> 
> If you have other ideas for challenges to clean up / review existing data let 
> me know and we can discuss.
> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] New MapRoulette challenge to address highway class flip-flops

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Just as an addendum, you may find false positives like this one 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588/task/11055949 
<https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588/task/11055949> where a service road 
connects to residential roads in a perfectly valid way. You should mark these 
as ’not an issue’ in MapRoulette.

Martijn

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Per Matthew Darwin’s request on Twitter, my team prepared a MapRoulette 
> challenge for ‘highway class flip-flops’. What does this mean? Consecutive 
> ways that have a suspicious change from one highway= value to another and 
> then back to the former. This happens sometimes when mappers change the 
> highway= value for some way but miss a bridge somewhere. An example is 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53514358#map=19/51.23309/-116.65373 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53514358#map=19/51.23309/-116.65373> where 
> the bridge is marked as residential but the two adjoining ways are marked as 
> unclassified.
> 
> You can find the challenge at https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588 
> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588> and your feedback is very 
> welcome.There are ~300 tasks.
> 
> If you have other ideas for challenges to clean up / review existing data let 
> me know and we can discuss.
> 
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[Talk-ca] New MapRoulette challenge to address highway class flip-flops

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

Per Matthew Darwin’s request on Twitter, my team prepared a MapRoulette 
challenge for ‘highway class flip-flops’. What does this mean? Consecutive ways 
that have a suspicious change from one highway= value to another and then back 
to the former. This happens sometimes when mappers change the highway= value 
for some way but miss a bridge somewhere. An example is 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53514358#map=19/51.23309/-116.65373 
 where 
the bridge is marked as residential but the two adjoining ways are marked as 
unclassified.

You can find the challenge at https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3588 
 and your feedback is very 
welcome.There are ~300 tasks.

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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi everyone, 

The OpenStreetCam competitions in Australia and New Zealand are now concluded!
Thank you all who participated! We will announce the winners next week. I need 
to collect and verify the data.

No reason to stop collecting images! They help tremendously with mapping OSM. 
As a matter of fact, I created a quick screen-cast to show you how I use OSC 
detections and images for mapping. Every time I do this I can’t help but think 
of Clarke’s third law — any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic. Here’s the link to the video —> 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/406zllf3qrxpcop/openstreetcam-speed-limit-australia.mp4?dl=0
 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/406zllf3qrxpcop/openstreetcam-speed-limit-australia.mp4?dl=0>
 and since Dropbox is definitely not magic, let me know if you can’t see this. 
Please let me know your feedback on working with OSC in JOSM.

Also — we have our first couple of Waylens Horizon cameras[1] on the way to 
you. If you’re interested in capturing with these advanced cameras, let me 
know. We plan to get more of them in your hands either through a lending 
program or a follow-up OSC competition. 

Martijn

[1] Read a bit more about these cameras on the OSM US blog: 
https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
<https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/> 

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have 
> about a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded 
> to the most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up 
> the leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.
> 
> The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, 
> when the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, 
> comfortably doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw 
> a particularly nice trend upwards.
> 
> Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras 
> made that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has 
> around 20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit 
> more detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer 
> to give them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to 
> capture their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch 
> with me off-list.
> 
> Happy mapping,
> Martijn
> 
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/>
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel > <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
>> please get in touch to get your gift card.
>> 
>> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 
>> to make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 
>> 2018 and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
>> 
>> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now 
>> we are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing :)
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon 
>>> gift card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>>> 
>>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered 
>>> roads get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 
>>> 20km trip is worth more than 6000 points: 
>>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> --
>>>

Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

[Martijn van Exel]

The note content (a bit obfuscated by the Javascript..) is at 
https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org/blob/gh-pages/js/site.js#L121-L141 
<https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org/blob/gh-pages/js/site.js#L121-L141> 

Graeme’s point is a good one though — someone will still need to go in and see 
the note and act on it. So it’s not a complete ‘pipeline’ where a business is 
guaranteed to be added to OSM. 

Still I think it’s reasonable to point folks to that. In the US we have dealt 
with a lot of SEO spam as well, Clifford Snow (cc) has spent a lot of time on 
this topic and may be able to share some insights..

Martijn

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Daniel O'Connor  
> wrote:
> 
> Onosm.org generates a structured note.
> 
> Source code at https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick  <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 06:51, Martijn van Exel  <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
> You can point businesses to https://www.onosm.org/ <https://www.onosm.org/> 
> which gives businesses an easy way to add themselves. It generates a note on 
> OSM, that mappers can then turn into an actual node or whatever OSM type is 
> relevant to add the information to the map in a responsible way.
> Martijn
> 
> Martijn
> 
> With things like that site, & I know Osmand has a similar "report a problem" 
> setting, do you have any idea as to where do they actually get reported to?
> 
> Does this one just generate an OSM Note? & with what explanation?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

[Martijn van Exel]

Especially if the street name does not change AND  the road splits into two 
oneway segments of the same name AND the angle of the ’turn’ is very slight, 
the software should figure this out, and I would say this is indeed an OSMAnd 
problem. In any case, the mapping looks correct to me.

Sort of related, we (Telenav map team) have seen cases in other countries where 
the road ‘flip-flops’ between single and divided mapping within a short 
distance[0]. In these cases we often decide to straighten that stretch out, 
making the single segments divided. If you object to this practice, please do 
let me know. We can also make a MapRoulette challenge to identify these cases 
if they exist here, and let you review them.

[0] looking a lot like 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3uzr05drc54vw6/Screen%20Shot%202019-01-30%20at%204.22.23%20PM.png?dl=0
 

 

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Dion Moult  wrote:
> 
> G'day all!
> 
> In the intersection of Liverpool road and Burwood road in Burwood, Sydney 
> (see attached), if I am travelling in the direction shown by the red arrow, 
> then my GPS device should tell me to continue and drive straight at the 
> intersection. However, because at that junction, the map splits up Liverpool 
> Road into two roads, OSMAnd tells me to turn left there, which is quite 
> confusing.
> 
> What is the appropriate way to fix this mapping? Or is it a problem with 
> OSMAnd?
> 
> 
> Dion Moult
> 
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Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

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You can point businesses to https://www.onosm.org/  
which gives businesses an easy way to add themselves. It generates a note on 
OSM, that mappers can then turn into an actual node or whatever OSM type is 
relevant to add the information to the map in a responsible way.
Martijn

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:22 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm thinking  it might be worth emailing the businesses being advertised 
> and telling them that the SEO company that they engaged is making edits that 
> they might not want their business associates.
> Tony
> 
>> Concur. Be ruthless. These people are akin to nuisance callers and
>> should be publicly flogged.
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/1/19 7:22 pm, nwastra wrote:
>>> We seem to be getting a lot of business edits in this form lately  with 
>>> only a name and description tag, often with address details or  just spam 
>>> in the description tag.
>>> As is usual with spam like business edits, they use a throw away  email to 
>>> make the edit and you never get a response from any query.
>>> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=66761372
>>> I am in favour of deleting them as SEO spam.
>>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all!

Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have about 
a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded to the 
most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up the 
leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.

The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, when 
the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, comfortably 
doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw a particularly 
nice trend upwards.

Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras made 
that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has around 
20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit more 
detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer to give 
them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to capture 
their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch with me 
off-list.

Happy mapping,
Martijn

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/

> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
> please get in touch to get your gift card.
> 
> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 to 
> make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 2018 
> and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
> 
> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now we 
> are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
> 
> Happy mapping / capturing :)
> --
>   Martijn van Exel
>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>> 
>> 
>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>> 
>> 
>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
>> card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>> 
>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>> January.
>> 
>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
>> get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip 
>> is worth more than 6000 points: 
>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
>>> imagery before Christmas.
>>> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
>>> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia,  you 
>>> collect points very quickly.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
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>>>   m...@rtijn.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>>> Hi folks, 
>>>> 
>>>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>>>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source 
>>>> / open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>>>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>>>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start 
>>>> to change that. 
>>>> 
>>>> More details here: 
>>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>>  
>>>> <https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018>
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 
>>>> 31, the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>>>> 
>>>> Happy mapping / c

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

[Martijn van Exel]

It sounds like one of those things where opinions are going to vary. Personally 
I would split them, but I don’t think it’s a big deal to do it one way or the 
other, and it doesn’t affect the map either way.

Mapping to make some random QA tool happy doesn’t sound tenable to me. Horea 
(my colleague) shared the OSMCha links mainly because that tool makes it easy 
to show all changesets of a group of mappers in one place. I think it’s a bit 
too opinionated when it comes to identifying ‘errors’. But hey, it’s open 
source software..:)

I’m happy that our work is being scrutinized. Please keep watching our work, we 
need your feedback to make sure we’re doing everything according to local best 
practices.

Martijn

> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> 
> I generally split these ways. A couple of reasons:
> 
> 1. Traffic is generally not meant to make U-turns here. Occasionally there is 
> an explicit no-U-turn sign, but most of the time there is a double white line 
> extending from the end of the median strip preventing turning.
> 
> 2. If a route relation uses the road, then it is required to split the road, 
> as traffic following the relation doesn’t do a U-turn. As an example, have a 
> look at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1284045 
>  - ways 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/175260353 
>  and 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/175260354 
>  are the respective forward 
> members for each direction of travel. (Probably easier to see in the relation 
> editor in JOSM) 
> 
> Mark P.
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 8:23 am, Nemanja Bračko > > wrote:
>> 
>> @Warin,
>> 
>> I personally do not see why is it wrong if you split? It is just two 
>> segments merged in one node. Geometry and data are exactly the same just it 
>> is represented as two, instead of one line.
>> 
>> If we go deeper in this issue, it is actually wrong, because you have 
>> marked/mapped 2 physical segments with just one line. Angle is not natural 
>> for any road. However, it doesn't make any difference in routing so it is 
>> acceptable to be mapped as one line in cases like this.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Nemanja
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Re: [OSM-talk] Looking for phot of mapping mappers

[Martijn van Exel]

A nice collection, thanks for sharing!
Martijn

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 22 January 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>> I am looking for a good photo of mappers mapping during survey. It
>> turns to be surprisingly hard.
> 
> Some time ago I collected a few links in:
> 
> https://github.com/osmfoundation/welcome-mat/issues/16#issuecomment-406852802
> 
> I like in particular
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Guagua_ESSC-OSMPH_Training_field_survey.jpg
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
please get in touch to get your gift card.

For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 to 
make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 2018 and 
January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.

Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now we 
are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.

Happy mapping / capturing :)
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
> 
> 
> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
> 
> 
> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
> card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
> 
> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
> January.
> 
> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
> get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip 
> is worth more than 6000 points: 
> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
> 
> Best,
> --
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>  m...@rtijn.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
>> imagery before Christmas.
>> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
>> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia, you 
>> collect points very quickly.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
>> --
>>  Martijn van Exel
>>  m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi folks, 
>>> 
>>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / 
>>> open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start 
>>> to change that. 
>>> 
>>> More details here: 
>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, 
>>> the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>>> 
>>> Happy mapping / capturing!
>>> Martijn
>>> 
>>> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as 
>>> well, 
>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>  
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.19.0

[Martijn van Exel]

Thanks, Daniel and all contributors to the stylesheet. I can't even imagine how 
much work goes into carefully weighing how (not) to render all the stuff we map.

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On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 05:03, Daniel Koć wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> Today, v4.19.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default
> stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are
> deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before
> all tiles show the new rendering.
> 
> Changes include
> - Adding rendering for boundary=protected_area (#3509)
> - Nature reserve boundaries revision (#3574)
> - Adding support of amenity=vending_machine (#3601)
> - Adding more barrier icons (#3602)
> - Changing allotments color and adding outline (#3625)
> - Reducing priority of tourism=attraction and rendering from z17 (#3603)
> - Changing tourism outline color (#3582)
> - Making country borders thicker at z8 and z9 (#3563)
> - Rendering parking from z14 (#3612)
> - Starting to render most patterns at z13 instead of z14 (#3610)
> - Changing zoom level and text size for place=hamlet (#3626)
> - Rendering airport gate refs black instead of purple (#3620)
> - Updating zoom levels by height for masts, towers and telescopes (#3536)
> - Hiding underground parking (#3600)
> - Rendering ref of minor roads more than once (#3627)
> - Adjusting width of highway=construction (#3580)
> - Selecting only motorway_link to tertiary_link as link (#3567)
> - Reducing tertiary-link width (#3570)
> - Changing certain amenity icons to grey (#3586)
> - Converting springs to use ST_PointOnSurface and reformatting SQL (#3233)
> - Adding "religious-icon" as color variable for #00 (#3642)
> - Adding "barrier-icon" color variable in #3f3f3f for barriers (#3643)
> - Fixing inconsistency of leisure=ice_rink (#3598)
> - Fixing label opacity for tourism features (#3616)
> - Reverting lowzoom nobuilding test change (#3622)
> - Removing trailing whitespace (#3637)
> 
> Thanks to all the contributors for this release.
> 
> For a full list of commits, see
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v4.18.0...v4.19.0
> 
> As always, we welcome any bug reports at
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Guillaume,
Thanks, that clarifies it for me.
Just to be clear, where you mention 'special sources' -- those would still need 
to be vetted for compatibility with ODbL, and that would need to be done in the 
open. I don't think anyone, individual or organization, should be able to get 
away with using some undisclosed source even if the community somehow is 
willing to accept this and turn a blind eye. Am I misunderstanding that example?
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2019, at 09:51, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
> Hi Martijn,
> 
> Gladly. I seem to recall that this is also one of the points that you 
> asked questions about during the board meeting.
> 
> What we mean is that we’ll intervene for edits the community has issues 
> with, and that we will not intervene for merely not following the 
> guidelines. Maybe a few examples will help.
> 
> If you organise a mapping activity and miss a topic when adapting one 
> of the wiki template, and the local community has no issue with 
> anything, no one is in trouble.
> 
> If you use a special source you can’t share, and the local community 
> understands and is cool with it, no one is in trouble.
> 
> If you ignore a part of the guidelines and the community complains 
> about that but agrees that the actual edits are excellent, we’ll kindly 
> ask you to try to follow that part, but that’s probably it. For 
> example, if you’re responding to a humanitarian emergency and don’t 
> wait for 14 days.
> 
> If there’s no wiki entry at all for an activity and the community 
> complains about the edits, DWG would look into it.
> 
> If the community is unhappy with some of the information it has 
> received, and objects to the edits being made, and you ignore the 
> objections, and the community complains, DWG would look into it.
> 
> If you do everything by the book, but the local community is unhappy 
> about the edits themselves and complains about it, DWG would look into 
> it. But that’s very unlikely if you really did follow the guidelines.
> 
> So the community truly has an effect on what DWG looks at. The 
> guidelines are the best way we know to have a constructive relationship 
> with the community, and a rich discussion is the most important part of 
> it.
> 
> Of course, following the guidelines also demonstrates good faith if the 
> DWG needs to look into the edits.
> 
> I hope this clarifies the intentions.
> 
> Happy mapping
> 
> Guillaume
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2019, at 22:37, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Guillaume, DWG,
> > 
> > Thanks for the conclusion. I asked in a different email on this thread to 
> > post this on the OSMF web site, to have a permanent, immutable copy that we 
> > can refer to when it comes to enforcing / disputes. 
> > 
> > I am a confused about the statement 'not following the organised editing 
> > guidelines isn’t an offence per se'. I am trying to make a connection with 
> > what you said in the October 2018 board meeting: 'The DWG is going to 
> > enforce [the guidelines] just as it enforces anything else which comes from 
> > community consensus'[1]. If the guidelines are going to be enforced, could 
> > you add some clarity to the decision making process? Who decides when 
> > non-compliance becomes an offense and on what criteria? How serious of an 
> > offense, or how many, would it take to be banned? 
> > 
> > Martijn
> > 
> > [1] 
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-10-18#Guidelines_contain_prescriptive_statements
> > 
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> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 08:31, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
> >> The Data Working Group is happy to announce that our new Organised 
> >> Editing Guidelines have now been officially put online on the wiki at 
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines
> >> 
> >> I'm happy to answer any questions here. In the meanwhile, here's my 
> >> updated report.
> >> 
> >> We at DWG are, first of all, thankful for all the constructive input we 
> >> have received, from the advisory board, the humanitarian mapping 
> >> initiatives and the mapping community.
> >> 
> >> The organised editing guidelines took a lot of work to prepare. We 
> >> received and integrated a lot of feedback to reflect consensus and 
> >> existing good practice.
> >> 
> >> We looked at what similar policies would exist, on OSM or in other 
> >> organisations. I believe that no other project, open or proprietary, 
> >> has faced this exact issue before. On 

Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

I am happy to see that the official version has now been published on the OSMF 
web site. I changed 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines accordingly.
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 13:59, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Could you please put the version that was approved up at 
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines ? As 
> it is now, the text as approved is available at 
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/13/Organised_editing_guidelines_version_20180908.pdf
>  (I assume this is the same text), but since it is an official OSMF document 
> now, it should really be discoverable under 
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Policies_and_other_Documents.
> 
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> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 13:35, Paul Norman wrote:
> > On 2019-01-10 10:19 a.m., Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > > Since it is on the OSM wiki and there is no statement indicating
> > > otherwise does this mean we can start improving the guidelines now?;-)
> > 
> > 
> > If you can edit them to be closer to the text approved by the OSMF board ;)
> > 
> > We just discussed this internally, the reason we've got them on the 
> > publicly editable wiki even though it's a policy is the number of links 
> > to/from the page make it more useful on the this wiki instead of the 
> > OSMF one.
> > 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Guillaume, DWG,

Thanks for the conclusion. I asked in a different email on this thread to post 
this on the OSMF web site, to have a permanent, immutable copy that we can 
refer to when it comes to enforcing / disputes. 

I am a confused about the statement 'not following the organised editing 
guidelines isn’t an offence per se'. I am trying to make a connection with what 
you said in the October 2018 board meeting: 'The DWG is going to enforce [the 
guidelines] just as it enforces anything else which comes from community 
consensus'[1]. If the guidelines are going to be enforced, could you add some 
clarity to the decision making process? Who decides when non-compliance becomes 
an offense and on what criteria? How serious of an offense, or how many, would 
it take to be banned? 

Martijn

[1] 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-10-18#Guidelines_contain_prescriptive_statements

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 08:31, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
> The Data Working Group is happy to announce that our new Organised 
> Editing Guidelines have now been officially put online on the wiki at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines
> 
> I'm happy to answer any questions here. In the meanwhile, here's my 
> updated report.
> 
> We at DWG are, first of all, thankful for all the constructive input we 
> have received, from the advisory board, the humanitarian mapping 
> initiatives and the mapping community.
> 
> The organised editing guidelines took a lot of work to prepare. We 
> received and integrated a lot of feedback to reflect consensus and 
> existing good practice.
> 
> We looked at what similar policies would exist, on OSM or in other 
> organisations. I believe that no other project, open or proprietary, 
> has faced this exact issue before. On OSM, contributors generally 
> understand the current policies on automated edits and imports. We 
> wrote the organised editing guidelines in a similar way, while adopting 
> a slightly softer approach – not following the organised editing 
> guidelines isn’t an offence per se. Elsewhere, Wikipedia has numerous 
> policies some vaguely similar, but the problems they face are quite 
> different, and their policies tend to be a lot more complex.
> 
> Internally, we looked back at past problematic edits. We carefully 
> wrote the guidelines and defined the scope to prevent those problems 
> without creating loopholes or negative incentives like encouraging 
> salami tactics. They are not meant to apply to community activities 
> like mapping parties between friends or making a presentation on OSM at 
> a local club, but only to ‘sizeable, substantial’ activities. We wanted 
> something that doesn’t scare casual events off while letting us 
> regulate a geography class gone berserk or a misguided volunteer 
> mapathon.
> 
> We also didn’t want to set hard limits in stone since they would have 
> to go back to the Board constantly if we need to refine exactly what 
> falls under the guidelines.
> 
> Humanitarian activities deserve our fullest support. We therefore 
> adapted the guidelines for them, both implicitly, by requiring only a 
> best-effort approach, and explicitly, by exempting emergencies from the 
> two-week discussion period. Some humanitarian edits have been 
> problematic before, and the guidelines are easy to follow; a blanket 
> exemption would send the wrong signal.
> 
> We saw the amount of corporate good will at SotM, the tensions in the 
> community, and the (dis)organised edits that mappers have referred to 
> us. It is good for everyone that those guidelines are now online on the 
> wiki. Good actors, existing and new, will be able to trust clear 
> expectations. The community will be confident that this is the 
> consensus that will be respected. Confused newcomers will get a 
> blueprint for a successful organised edit.
> 
> We wrote guidelines that are easy to read and follow and provide 
> clarity on how good organised edits should run without having a 
> chilling effect on them.
> 
> I’m glad that this project is now concluded, and am convinced that it 
> will be a good thing both for OSM and for the OSM community.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi, 

Could you please put the version that was approved up at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines ? As it is 
now, the text as approved is available at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/13/Organised_editing_guidelines_version_20180908.pdf
 (I assume this is the same text), but since it is an official OSMF document 
now, it should really be discoverable under 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Policies_and_other_Documents.

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 13:35, Paul Norman wrote:
> On 2019-01-10 10:19 a.m., Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > Since it is on the OSM wiki and there is no statement indicating
> > otherwise does this mean we can start improving the guidelines now?;-)
> 
> 
> If you can edit them to be closer to the text approved by the OSMF board ;)
> 
> We just discussed this internally, the reason we've got them on the 
> publicly editable wiki even though it's a policy is the number of links 
> to/from the page make it more useful on the this wiki instead of the 
> OSMF one.
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:


#1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
#2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points


Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.

It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / $25 
/ $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and January.

If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip is 
worth more than 6000 points: 
https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
> imagery before Christmas.
> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia, you 
> collect points very quickly.
> 
> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
> --
>  Martijn van Exel
>  m...@rtijn.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Hi folks, 
>> 
>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / 
>> open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start to 
>> change that. 
>> 
>> More details here: 
>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>  
>> 
>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, 
>> the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing!
>> Martijn
>> 
>> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as 
>> well, 
>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
>>  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Streetview

[Martijn van Exel]

If not copying, then what would you do with the information gleaned from GSV? 
If you use it as a trigger for surveying ("I see on GSV that this street name 
may be wrong in OSM so I need to go check and see for myself") I’d say that 
would be okay, but other than that, I don’t really see what you could get out 
of an exercise like that without violating Google’s TOS and/or tainting OSM 
data with copyrighted sources.

Nicolas mentioned great ‘open’ alternatives, that is where we should be looking 
for (and contributing to!) street level imagery.

Martijn

> On Jan 6, 2019, at 5:01 PM, Alert Bouterse  wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends, 
> 
> I know that it is not allowed to use Google Maps to "copy" streetnames, but 
> my question is: is it allowed to use Google streetview to check streetnames 
> by checking the photo's for streetname signs? That way I am not just copying 
> but do a kind of survey through picture material. What are your ideas about 
> this?
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Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

[Martijn van Exel]

Brad — 

My reference to Gaia GPS was meant to illustrate that third party apps are 
perfectly capable of overlaying data from various sources. Just because a data 
source exists doesn’t mean that it should be in OSM. On the ground 
verifiability has always been the gold standard for OSM, and I feel strongly 
about keeping it that way. We have departed from that gold standard somewhat 
already, especially when it comes to administrative boundaries.

Another argument for keeping this data out of OSM comes to mind. In many 
places, OSM has come to be the most complete map out there. OSM data is now 
used by major companies and organizations, and is therefore increasingly seen 
as ’the truth’. With that comes scrutiny and responsibility. We have already 
seen the project drawn into political disputes that are not ours to take a 
stance in. To give one recent example, our representation of the Ukraine / 
Crimea border recently drew sharp criticism and unneeded negative attention to 
OSM that could easily have been avoided. I’m not saying that public lands 
boundaries in the U.S. are to be compared with international conflicts, but 
public lands are in fact under heavy scrutiny here in the West, and 
incorporating these boundaries into OSM would just generate another attack 
vector we can do without.

If you want a Garmin map that incorporates both OSM data and boundary data from 
BLM or other federal or state sources, there are great ways to accomplish that 
goal, and I would be happy to help with it.

Martijn

> On Jan 6, 2019, at 8:50 AM, brad  wrote:
> 
> Martijn,  Gaia is not available on a Garmin, or on a PC.  It also costs $40 a 
> yr.   Why do you trust Gaia as an authoritative source?   How often do they 
> update from government sources?   BLM boundaries do not change very often.  
> Probably less often than city/town boundaries. For an authoritative 
> source, I have national forest maps that are 10 - 20 years old.  A download 
> today from a federal database is way better than that and in 5 years will 
> probably still be just as good.In relatively sparsely populated areas, on 
> the ground verification does not work as well as it does in the city.If 
> we make OSM more useful for more people then more folks will get involved.
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Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

[Martijn van Exel]

Brad — I make use of BLM / NPS / NF boundary data a lot too. I use Gaia GPS for 
this, which overlays this data nicely with what’s in OSM[1]. There are lots of 
other outdoor apps that do the same. I prefer this data live outside of OSM as 
well for similar reasons as Ian stated. Knowing whether land is public or 
private or whether it’s inside or outside a NP, is important to me when I’m in 
the outdoors. I would much rather rely on an authoritative definition of these 
boundaries, than on whatever happens to be in OSM. Since there is no 
on-the-ground verifiability, boundary data is prone to growing stale, as you 
can see happening with census place boundaries. Unreliable data in this case is 
worse than no data at all.
If you’re looking to make a great impact on the map as an outdoors user, I 
would suggest mapping things you know and things you observe when you’re out 
there. Countless times have I been out in the middle of nowhere, to find that 
some mapper before me added a landmark, a water source, or something else that 
really helped me. That is what I like to pay forward.

Martijn

[1] https://www.gaiagps.com/offroad/#maps 
 

> On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:43 PM, brad  wrote:
> 
> Ian, 
> I want to import this data because I think its important for a complete map.  
>  We have national forest, wilderness  and national park boundaries in OSM!   
> This is no different.   If you look at many maps they show all of them.
> 
> I'd like it to show up on any map that I use.   I'm working on a 'better' 
> version for garmin using mkgmap.   I hope it gets rendered with OpenAndroMaps 
> too.   I haven't used the onine osm.org map very much.
> 
> I am excited to participate and improve OSM and in my opinion this is a big 
> gap in the OSM database.   Where I live, we don't use OSM for building 
> footprints, we use it to find our way in the national forest, the BLM land 
> and the national parks.   It's very useful to know what is public or private 
> land.
> 
> Brad 
> 
> On 1/5/19 8:19 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
>> Hi Brad, thanks for proposing this import and posting it here.
>> 
>> I would strongly prefer that we not import boundaries like this into OSM. 
>> Boundaries of all sorts are almost impossible to verify with OSM's "on the 
>> ground" rule, but BLM boundaries in particular are such an edge case (they 
>> have no other analog in the world, really) and almost never have apparent 
>> markings on the ground to check. Since these boundaries aren't visible, this 
>> data can never be improved by an OpenStreetMap contributor. The boundaries 
>> are defined by the government, and any sort of change to them would make 
>> them diverge from the official source.
>> 
>> But having said that, I'm curious why you wanted to import this data? Did 
>> you want to have it show up on the osm.org  map? Are you 
>> trying to build a custom map? Or are you excited to participate and improve 
>> OSM? If it's the latter, there's lots of other data that is a better fit to 
>> import into OSM: address points and building footprints come to mind, for 
>> example.
>> 
>> -Ian
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:03 PM brad > > wrote:
>> I'd like to import BLM (US Bureau of Land Management) boundaries into 
>> OSM.This is not an automated import as you can see from my workflow.
>> 
>> Workflow:
>> Download shape file from PADUS (1 state at a time): 
>> https://gapanalysis.usgs.gov/padus/data/download/ 
>> 
>> Load into Qgis and filter for BLM boundaries
>> Clean up as necessary (there are some extraneous ways at state 
>> boundaries & elsewhere)
>> 
>> Convert to OSM with ogr2osm and the following tags
>>  tags.update({'type':'boundary'})
>>  tags.update({'boundary':'protected_area'})
>>  tags.update({'operator':'BLM'})
>>  tags.update({'ownership':'national'})
>>  tags.update({'protect_class':'27'})
>>  tags.update({'source':'US BLM'})
>>  use the shapefile attribute 'Unit_Nm' as the name
>> 
>> Import with JOSM
>> 
>> The San Luis unit (CO) is here for your inspection.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxv5gny2396ewki/sanLuisBLM.osm?dl=0 
>> 
>> 
>> Comments?
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Yosem, 

OSM is data, ArcGIS is software, so there is no straightforward answer to your 
question. You can load (and even edit[1], though I do not generally recommend 
that) OSM data into ArcGIS, and you can use OSM as a base map layer. They even 
provide a pretty nifty vector tile OSM map that mimics the native OSM 
rendering[2]. So your client can ‘use’ OpenStreetMap data in any software 
environment they like, including ArcGIS, as long as that usage does not violate 
the data license or relevant usage policies. If they want to ‘crowdsource’ data 
in the sense that they want to add data to OSM, they will need to consult with 
the community and have a very close look at import guidelines[3] (if they want 
to do a bulk import) and/or the organized editing policy[4].

[1] https://www.esri.com/en-us/arcgis/products/arcgis-editor-for-openstreetmap 
<https://www.esri.com/en-us/arcgis/products/arcgis-editor-for-openstreetmap> 
[2] 
http://esri.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=d6b18a2e774c4959ba855f6ac90952a2
 
<http://esri.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=d6b18a2e774c4959ba855f6ac90952a2>
 
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines> 
[4] I don’t think the OSMF ratified version is published yet

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:
> 
> How well do ArcGIS and OSM talk to each other? I have a client who has opted 
> for ArcGIS because his institution provides it for free. But I've always 
> thought of OSM as the better option. Should my client use OSM instead, 
> especially given that he wants to crowdsource data?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:35 PM Martijn van Exel  <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
> John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome site, 
> https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ 
> <https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/> specifically may be 
> interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief in its 
> explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when they’re not 
> familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.
> 
> A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is the 
> license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM data as a 
> replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain themselves. Often 
> it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute data to OSM but they can’t 
> use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV, this is my experience from talking to 
> governments in the U.S.
> 
> Martijn
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan > <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was passed 
>> my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point of view 
>> was there any advantage to the municipality in having their municipality 
>> mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap. 
>> 
>> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are 
>> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>> 
>> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>> 
>> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some 
>> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>> 
>> Thanks John
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[Martijn van Exel]

John — a fairly new resource is the Welcome site, 
https://welcome.openstreetmap.org/why-openstreetmap/ 
 specifically may be 
interesting to point them to. It’s fairly high level and brief in its 
explanations, but if gives organizations a place to start when they’re not 
familiar with OSM and consider using it or contributing to it.

A common issue I have seen with governments wanting to use OSM data is the 
license, so they should look into that if they intend to use OSM data as a 
replacement / back-fill for any data they may now maintain themselves. Often 
it’s a one-way street: Governments can contribute data to OSM but they can’t 
use OSM data to enrich their own. YMMV, this is my experience from talking to 
governments in the U.S.

Martijn

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 2:07 PM, John Whelan  wrote:
> 
> I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was passed 
> my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point of view 
> was there any advantage to the municipality in having their municipality 
> mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap. 
> 
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are 
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
> 
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
> 
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some 
> expenditure and effort to  help enrich the map.
> 
> Thanks John
> 
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Replies to list messages not going to the list?

[Martijn van Exel]

Graeme,
It should work the same way for all OSM lists, or for all properly configured 
mailing lists for that matter.
Some mail programs try to be smart about it and either inject a ‘Reply-To’ 
header whenever you compose a response to a mailing list message, or look for a 
‘List-Post’ or similar header to automatically direct your response there by 
default. So it may depend on the mail client of whomever you are responding to 
uses… Whenever I respond to a mailing list I just use ‘Reply to all’ to be sure.
Martijn


> On Dec 23, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> Morning all
> 
> Sorry for the very convoluted title, & apologies if this has been discussed 
> previously?
> 
> Noticed this comment on a list message yesterday "Note: This came through as 
> a private message - not on the list.", which is something I've noticed, & 
> done, a number of times.
> 
> I'm on both the Au list & also the Tagging list (as I know for a fact most of 
> you are!) & I've noticed that if you reply to a message on the Tagging list, 
> it goes to the list. But when you reply to a message on the Au list, it goes 
> directly to the originators e-mail, not the list, which is a damn nuisance.
> 
> Is this something funny about the way the Au list has been set-up, or have I 
> ticked, or not ticked!, a box somewhere to change reply paths?
> 
> Any way of fixing it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] UJEM (Unidentified JOSM Error Message)

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Volker.

This has to do with the new version of the OpenStreetCam plugin. It clusters 
detected signs but must have some trouble retrieving them from the 
OpenStreetCam API. There is a blog post on this new functionality as well if 
you are interested[1]

I filed a bug[2].

Thanks,
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[1] 
http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2018/12/openstreetcam-josm-plugin-new-features-2/
[2] https://github.com/openstreetcam/josm-plugin/issues/29 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, at 07:10, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> Help!
> Since about three or four days I get this UJEM with every 
> moving/zooming-in/zooming-out of the map window:
> "Error retrieving Cluster(s)
> Would you like to suppress further notifications"
> Someone else's seen it?
> I have an up-to-date josm-tested.jar on Windows 10.
> 
> I am asking first here, in case someone else has already seen this, before 
> staring to disable the plugins one-by-one to find out which component of JOSM 
> is causing this.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,  
 
The source is on Github (search for mapoulette3 for the frontend / react code 
and maproulette2 for the backend / scala codebase) but you don't need to dig 
into that to simply create a challenge. You can log onto MapRoulette using your 
OSM account, and create a challenge using an Overpass query. I wrote a diary on 
how to do this a little while ago, 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/46863  
 
If you don't know any Overpass, I'm more than happy to set a Challenge of your 
preference up for you, or show you how to do it.  
 
I did in fact set up an 'add lanes' challenge for Queensland a little while 
ago, which you can find here: 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3376 
 
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On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, at 04:20, Joel H. wrote: 
> Hey I'm not familiar with MapRoulette. 

> Where can I view the source code? I (or maybe you could) would like to 
> perhaps make one for QLD. 

> If you are interested, I would choose Bing by default, but really none are 
> perfect. 

> On 12/12/18 3:54 am, Martijn van Exel wrote: 
>> Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing 
>> challenge, I created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop. 
>>  
>> The challenge lives here: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387 
>>  
>> It has 9800+ tasks.  
>> I deleted the old one. 
>> Thanks for the suggestions! 
>> Martijn 
>>  
>>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey  wrote: 
>>>  
>>> I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a 
>>> friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed. 
>>>  
>>> I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default 
>>> background layer for this task. I just filed 
>>> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this. 
>>>  
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: 
>>>> Andrew H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I 
>>>> will make the update when I find a moment. 
>>>> Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan.  
>>>> -- 
>>>>  Martijn van Exel 
>>>>  m...@rtijn.org 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote: 
>>>>> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel >>>>> That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify. 
>>>>>> Something like this... 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> [timeout:190]; 
>>>>>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a; 
>>>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> out body geom qt; 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you 
>>>>> able to? 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very 
>>>>>> short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter 
>>>>>> (urban) first. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
>>>>>> administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be 
>>>>>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but 
>>>>>> not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
>>>>>> and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other 
>>>>>> states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
>>>>>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 
>>>>>> but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to 
>>>>>> fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to 
>>>>>> help.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, 
>>>>> localities and LGA boundaries.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> --  
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>>>>>>  m...@rtijn.org 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: 
>>>>>>> Overall I think it's a great idea. 
>>>>>>>  
&g

Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Folks,

We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the
most imagery before Christmas.Details added on the competition page! You need 
25k points minimum to be
eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia,
you collect points very quickly.
Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi folks, 
> 
> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture
> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open
> source / open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM.
> It is widely used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there
> is not a lot of coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition
> we’re hoping to start to change that.> 
> More details here:
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018>
>  
> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and
> Jan 31, the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!> 
> Happy mapping / capturing!
> Martijn
> 
> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there
>as well,
>
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018>
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing challenge, I 
created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop.
The challenge lives here: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387 
<https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387> 
It has 9800+ tasks. 
I deleted the old one.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Martijn

> On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> 
> I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a 
> friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.
> 
> I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default 
> background layer for this task. I just filed 
> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572> in relation to this.
> 
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I 
>> will make the update when I find a moment.
>> Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan. 
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel >> <mailto:m...@rtijn.org> wrote:
>>> That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
>>> Something like this...
>>> 
>>> [timeout:190];
>>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
>>> out body geom qt;
>>> 
>>> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you 
>>> able to?
>>> 
>>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short 
>>> segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) 
>>> first.
>>> 
>>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
>>> administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be 
>>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not 
>>> complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
>>> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ> and even one admin_level=8 
>>> (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0>) but in 
>>> other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
>>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r <https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r>, query at 
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1> but watch 
>>> out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete 
>>> perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 
>>> 
>>> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, 
>>> localities and LGA boundaries. 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  Martijn van Exel
>>>  m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>>> Overall I think it's a great idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
>>>> eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 
>>>> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753> which
>>>> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
>>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel >>> <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images 
>>>>> and add lane tags to major roads.
>>>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375 
>>>>> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375>
>>>>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other 
>>>>> regions.
>>>>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be 
>>>>> improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
>>>>> Martijn
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [timeout:190];
>>>>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>>>>> out body geom qt;
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[OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

On November 17, the OSMF Board of Directors received a request to review the 
Nov 14, 2018 Data Working Group decision regarding Crimea.

The Board decided that this decision is to be reversed and the previous 
situation, as laid out in the May 5, 2014 Data Working Group minutes, is to 
further remain in effect.

The board highly values the Data Working Group’s work and appreciates the 
difficulty and complexity of the cases they are asked to review on an ongoing 
basis.

A more comprehensive statement will follow in the next weeks.

Best regards,
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself
:) I will make the update when I find a moment.Andrew H/D -- thanks for 
pointing me to the import plan. 
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel > That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to
>> modify.>> Something like this...
>> 
>> [timeout:190];
>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"la-
>> nes:backward"](area.a);>> out body geom qt;
> 
> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are
> you able to?>> 
>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very
>> short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter
>> (urban) first.>> 
>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status
>> of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be
>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good
>> (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8
>> (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the
>> admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent
>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1
>> but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful
>> to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m
>> happy to help.> 
> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb,
> localities and LGA boundaries.>> 
>> -- 
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>> Overall I think it's a great idea.
>>> 
>>> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and
>>> lanes:backward?>>> eg. 
>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
>>> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial
>>>> images and add lane tags to major roads.>>>> 
>>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
>>>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other
>>>> regions.>>>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can 
>>>> it be
>>>> improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.>>>> Martijn
>>>> 
>>>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>>>> 
>>>> [timeout:190];
>>>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>>>> out body geom qt;
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short 
segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first. 

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, 
for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage 
of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
<http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ> and even one admin_level=8 
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0>) but in other 
states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
(https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r <https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r>, query at 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1> but watch out, 
it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps 
we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help.

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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> Overall I think it's a great idea.
> 
> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
> eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and 
>> add lane tags to major roads.
>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? 
>> Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
>> Martijn
>> 
>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>> 
>> [timeout:190];
>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>> out body geom qt;
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[talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks, 

We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture competition. 
In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / open data street 
level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely used to help improve 
OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of coverage in Australia yet. 
So with this competition we’re hoping to start to change that. 

More details here: 
https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
 

 

The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, the 
top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!

Happy mapping / capturing!
Martijn

PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as well, 
https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
 

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[talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add 
lane tags to major roads. 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375 

This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? 
Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
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[talk-au] Open Data

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

The Telenav OSM map team is doing some research into open data available in 
Australia for potentially using to improve OSM. As you all probably know, there 
is already a substantial and well maintained page about open data sources at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue. Before we start 
adding things to this list, I thought it' be nice and good to discuss.

So far the team has identified the following sources that we'd like to gain 
permission to use in the future.

https://data.gov.au/dataset/ipswich-city-traffic-signs/resource/6c822598-de01-4a51-a357-fa1e22039286
 (CC-BY 3.0 Australia)
https://data.gov.au/dataset/ipswich-traffic-signals/resource/af689406-9952-4bfd-b33a-98843e87bee2
 (CC-BY-3.0 Australia)
https://data.gov.au/dataset/trafficsignals (CC-BY 4.0 International)
https://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/data/item/geelong-road-signs2.aspx (CC-BY 
3.0 Australia)

I'm wondering what the best way is to proceed. We can send out waiver requests 
directly as needed, but perhaps there are folks here who are local to some of 
the datasets above and can advise? 
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