Re: [OSM-talk-be] warboel huisnummers
filip wolters wrote: Weet iemand of er een functie of weetje bestaat om de huisnummers mooi langs de straten te laten lopen? En als dit niet bestaat er een voorstel/ticket aangemaakt is? Er is een proposed feature: het Karlsruhe schema http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Dit wordt op veel plaatsen al gebruikt (ik doe het ook zo als ik winkels map). Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] ingeven straten in stukken ???
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Hello, Eventjes een ander vraagje; Ik heb dit niet gevonden op de wiki, maar misschien heb ik niet goed gezocht. Kan iemand me eens uitleggen hoe dat men precies een straat die uit meerdere stukken bestaat moet ingeven op online kaart-editor? Indien een straat bestaat uit één enkel lang stuk met meerdere segmenten na elkaar is er geen probleem; maar hoe lost je de volgende gevallen op? - Een T (eigenlijk een zijstraat van een hoofdstraat maar met dezelfde naam). - Een onderbroken straat (een stuk straat, een stuk niets en dan terug een stuk straat). - Een straat met plots een stuk enkel fietsen ertussen. (dus stuk residential road, dan footway en dan terug residential road). Alleen fietsen is een cycleway, geen footway. Ik heb al die gevallen opgelost door verschillende ways te maken met allemaal dezelfde naam, maar ik weet niet als dat de juiste manier is. Dat is de juiste manier. Wegen kunnen nog meer opgedeeld worden als er bijvoorbeeld op een deel een relatie ligt. In de AND data van Nederland zijn wegen zelfs opgedeeld in aparte stukken tussen elke zijstraat. En dan nog één dingetje. Waar haal je symbolen voor andere points-of-intrest die niet op de online editor staan? (bv. een speelplein). Niet. De renderer zorgt voor het plaatsen van de juiste symbolen. Wat je in Potlatch ziet is alleen daar ter vergemakkelijking van het mappen doordat er standaard de juiste tags ingevuld worden. Voor POI's die niet in die lijst staan moet je de tags zelf maken. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping and tagging of railways.
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:47:31 +, Karel Adams ade...@skynet.be wrote: Further to Gauthier's message relating to Belgian Railways: it seems obvious to me that LINE NUMBERS should be published, not train indicators. Compare to bars/cafés: we should mention the NAME of the place, not what beers are on tap or what food they serve. In Germany they are also making relations for trainseries (like IC-A, IC-B, IR-a). Have a look at the Ruhrgebiet. I am neutral on that point. And indeed there is some work left to be done about the Belgian railroad infrastructure. I once suggested obtaining the geographical data from NMBS themselves (they have it, for their ATLAS project, and I still have some relations there) but there was no enthusiasm so I didn't pursue the idea. Well, you've got my enthusiasm. I understood that there also was a file with GPS tracks available, but requests for that have always ended in no response. I know there are a few lines still unmapped (and are hard to map by hand, as for instance MW41 allows no GPS reception inside). It would be wonderful to have GPS tracks from NMBS for these lines. Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:11:15 +0100, Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com wrote: Another 'historical' point is that it is a pitty that OSM doesn't offer a kind of 'time-machine'. On one side it would be nice to see the growth of OSM that way, on the other side the map we are currently making will be historical one day. If - for instance - Doel would be broken down for harbour expansion, going back in time then would show how it was before, same would be if the 'hedwigepolder' on the other side of the border would be flooded again. But again, that is just a side remark and another discussion. +1, I vote for a 'date_start' and 'date_end' tag on all nodes, ways and relations. And when you want to render an old map, you just get the data from that timeperiod. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietspaden
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:36:21 +0100, Erik Daems erik.da...@gmail.com wrote: De link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle is inderdaad redelijk compleet, maar toch vooral op een Engelse + stedelijke situatie geschoeid. Bij ons bestaan er veel tussenvormen, maar waar trek je dan de grens om een aparte highway=cycleway naast de rijbaan te tekenen, en wanneer niet? Daar wil ik duidelijkheid in brengen. Als het gaat om fietsers automatisch te kunnen routeren met een routeplanner dan is de grens welke wegen zijn opengesteld voor fietsers en welke niet? Nu weet ik dat in België er al gauw een fietspad langs een 4-baans snelweg ligt, ook die wegen waar je 120 km/h mag, maar de vraag is of routeplanners die wegen wel of niet als open voor fietsers beschouwen. Dan denk ik bijvoorbeeld aan wegen als de N73, N75 en N78 (Belgisch Limburg) wat (deels) vierbaans wegen met gescheiden rijbanen zijn waar 120 km/h toegestaan is, maar waar wel een fietspad langs ligt. Ze zijn als primary gemapt, en in Nederland is een primary in principe open voor fietsers, dus voor een routing engine voor fietsers hoef je er geen fietspad naast te mappen. Bij twijfel: de cloudmade routing engine heeft een optie voor fietsers. Wanneer je de gegevens alleen maar voor grote afstanden bekijkt, zoals voor een wegenkaart voor autobestuurders, dan kan je inderdaad volstaan met enkel hoofdwegen te tekenen, met indicatie of er fietspad naast ligt of niet. In stedelijk gebied is het echter ook interessant om op kleinere schaal te kijken en de info voor voetgangers e.d. erop te zetten. Dat impliceert dan weer dat ook gedetailleerde info voor fietsers ook niet mag ontbreken, zoals oversteekplaatsen en dergelijke. Dat is best belangrijk ja. Je kunt discussieren over het nut van het aangeven van fietspaden langs wegen waar je met de fiets toch wel overheen mag (zoals hier: http://osm.org/go/0GEFLrUoR--), maar als het gebeurt, dan moet het fietspad wel overal aan het wegennet verbonden worden omdat een routing engine er anders geen gebruik van zal maken. En ik heb genoeg voorbeelden gezien waar een fietspad opeens ophoudt. Tja, over een doodlopende weg wordt je niet gerouteerd als je door wil gaan. Ik had hier graag ook de Belgische verkeersborden mee in gestoken die bepalen wat fietspad/fietsweg is, en enkele voorbeelden van twijfelgevallen. Soms is het inderdaad een 'lane' soms een 'track' en soms een 'cycleway'. Helaas lijken ze dikwijls nogal hard op elkaar. Daar wil ik duidelijkheid in brengen. En vooral: foto's ervan toevoegen. In Nederland noemen ze een fietsstrook wat wij hier fietspad noemen, en een fietspad wat wij hier een fietsweg noemen, deze benamingen zijn verankerd in de wegcode en dus in elk land weer verschillend. Daar wil ik duidelijkheid in brengen. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:41:38 +0200, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 10:22, Tim Francois a écrit : +1. Yup, this is what is currently happening in most of the UK - a separate relation for the 'up' and 'down' bus routes, so that forwards/backwards (which is kinda broken as a concept in this case) is not required! I'm interested, for now I have created single relation for a bus route in Liège. How should I tag the two separate relations? The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses doesn't talk about double relation, but suggests that bus_stop should be put on the way, but the bus stops are not on the road but along it. Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/VRS , for a lot of relations, there are two routes. Often also tagged with a from and to in the relation, although I don't know if that really helps in a program. Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:56:28 +0200, Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com wrote: What i propose is keeping the existing relation for the normal direction. There is no normal direction with buses. Example stadsbus nr 8 go from Bertem - Leuven - Bierbeek (check the relation with the relation checker). Give the same relationnumber to all bus-stops for that direction. You mean: add the stops to the relation. If you are in Leuven you can choose the bus 8 to Bierbeek (relation one) OR bus 8 to Bertem (relation 2). And there comes the part for the from and to tags in the relation which I thought had no use. You always take line X towards Y. And having the from and to in the relation will specify Y. Oh, and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema has a more elaborate tagging scheme. Regards, Maarten 2010/8/10 Renaud MICHEL Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 10:22, Tim Francois a écrit : +1. Yup, this is what is currently happening in most of the UK - a separate relation for the 'up' and 'down' bus routes, so that forwards/backwards (which is kinda broken as a concept in this case) is not required! I'm interested, for now I have created single relation for a bus route in Liège. How should I tag the two separate relations? The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses [2] doesn't talk about double relation, but suggests that bus_stop should be put on the way, but the bus stops are not on the road but along it. -- Renaud Michel ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [4] ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] De Lijn data in Googl
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/70621/dienstregeling-de-lijn-vanaf-2011-in-google-maps.html Tja... Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Simpele vragen van simpele mapper
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:03:43 +0100, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: 2010/11/22 Luc Van den Troost Eigenlijk leert volgens mij deze discussie een belangrijk ding, namelijk dat er aan duidelijke documentatie nood is. Karel Adams is toch al een tijdje met OSM bezig. 'basic dingen' zoals het knippen van een way zou dan iets moeten zijn dat 'eenvoudig en snel' te vinden is, in welke editor dan ook. Dat hij 'niet weet hoe' is dan wellicht eerder de fout van een onvoldoende documentatie, dan van Karel. Mijn persoonlijke ervaring met how-to-do-things is, dat als je wat opzoekt je in de wiki al te vaak terecht komt bij zaken die onder de categorie het geslacht der engelen te klasseren zijn en waarover veel discussie is, maar dat je de 'basic uitleg' vaak te moeilijk terugvindt. Een beknopte en overzichtelijke how-to met betrekking tot de basic tools zou zeker een goede zaak zijn. Luc/Speedy What would you think about a How-do-I newcomers wiki? I would be at 2 levels: - Basic OSM - Per-editor details Voor Potlatch is er al zoiets: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts. Ook in het Nederlands en het Frans beschikbaar. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping of Boundary
Kenny Moens wrote: Hello guys, In the region where I live (Hulshout), some of the borders are recently mapped, but they don't follow the exact features which form the border. For example, in the area between Ramsel and Westmeerbeek the city border follows the Steenkensbeek which I recently mapped based on Bing data, if I look at the border itself it has much less points and more-or-less follows the stream, but not exactly as it should be. How is the best way to correct this? * Splitting the border and adding the tags/relations of the border to the stream. Which would mean the line of the stream would both represent the border and the stream itself. * Glueing all points of the border towards the stream, so that they form a single line (but are effectively still two separate lines). * Or something else. I don't know if Mapnik renders relations, but if it does, than 1 seems a good idea. But then you have to take care then when the stream is moved (physically) the border does not have to move. 2 is done in most cases. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] trunk crossroads and cyclerouting
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:41:25 +0100, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: I usually tag these small ways between two lanes of a dual carriage road with the same classification of the crossing roads, in this case highway=unclassified. But there's no strict rule on this AFAIK, even though we could really use one... Tag it according to the traffic that runs over it. If the crossing road is a residential road, tag the part between the two carriageways as residential. Is it a cycleway, tag it as cycleway. I think the basic rule can be made as such: if a way crosses another way, do not change the tagging to match the crossing way. So the example Klaas gave is IMHO an example of incorrect tagging. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bingify Belgium
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:25:11 +0100, Paul Cardinaels wrote: Hello all, I'm busy to bingify Belgium, my main focus for the time being are my two home towns: Hoogstraten (and let's not forget Eimai's big contribution): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4474lon=4.7686zoom=12layers=M [1] Neerpelt: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2272lon=5.4549zoom=13layers=M [2] I was wondering how many people are doing this kind of work, and throwing in THE IDEA TO SET SOME COMMON GOALS, to make the work more enjoyable and less mind-numbing. I am always interested in railways and have started again on the railways in Belgium. Some are way off according to the Bing maps. I know Bing is not always on the mark, but I've seen bigger errors than 10 meters. And sometimes when I'm at it I also trace some roads. Yesterday I did some work in Bertrix. Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] oude en nieuwe bing?
filip wolters wrote: Wat me opviel tijdens het bingen, is dat er een andere foto getoond wordt naargelang het level waarop je inzoomt. Een voorbeeld vind je aan de Rostockweg in de Antwerpse haven. Op het ene level staan er gebouwen en het andere niet. ( JOSM ) Dat heb ik ook op een plek tussen Venlo en Tegelen in Nederland. Op de laagste zoomstand staat de situatie van 2006 erop, op de eennalaagste zoomstand krijg je een situatie van voor 2002 te zien. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] outer airport????
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:51:47 +0100, Andre Engels wrote: 2011/2/16 Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com: Volgens OSM ligt hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.854451lon=3.985033zoom=18layers=M outer airport Edited by xybot at 2010-12-17T21:14:15Z Edited by bcrosby at 2010-12-17T00:53:45Z aeroway: aerodrome name: Outer Airport source: ourairports.com Blijkbaar geimporteerd van een externe bron. Iets van vliegaktiviteit op die plaats (in het verleden) vindt ik op het web niet terug. Een vliegplein - zelfs voor modelvliegtuigjes - is er me niet bekend. Op de luchtfoto's staan er in de buurt alleen tractorsporen. Heb het voorlopig laten staan. Verschijnt op de maps alleen in bepaalde zoomlevels. zoals hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.8433lon=3.9926zoom=12layers=M Weet er iemand meer van? De externe bron valt te raadplegen: http://www.ourairports.com/airports/EBNO/pilot-info.html . Volgens de gegevens is de vliegveldcode EBNO, en is er één start/landingsbaan, lengte 150 voet (50 meter dus maar, lijkt me erg weinig), breedte 30 voet, ondergrond onbekend. Ik heb nog wat gegoogled (op Outer Airport + EBNO of Outer Airport + Ninove), maar geen verdere informatie gevonden. Als ik Bing Maps bekijk zie ik ook niet veel. Pal zuid ligt wel een vierkant iets wat ik niet thuis kan brengen. Misschien iets uit de 1e wereldoorlog? ;) Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fixing administrative borders
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:04:56 +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: Ralf Hermanns wrote: I think there is conflicting information here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative and here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries On the Tag:boundary=administrative page (first link) it says communities/provinces go on level 5 and arrondisments on 6 - while on the subproject page it only list the language communites on level 5 and puts provinces onto 6 (thereby moving arrondisments and towns further down) Don't have much time to reply, so a short one: Always look at the country specific page to get the answers. The international page is just there for some guiding, but the countries have to make their own rules. As is the case for Belgium. country: level 2 regions: level 4 communities: level 5 provinces: level 6 arrondissements: level 7 municipalities: level 8 district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 9 Then why is this information not on the international page? There is absolutely no reason to have conflicting information on a wiki. In this list I am missing single towns. A municipality consists of multiple towns. Should it not be: municipality:8, town:9, district/deelgemeentes/sections:10? I assume 10 can be used for sububurbs/wijken too? (does Belgium have that concept like the Netherlands?) I've just spent some time yesterday fixing numerous borders in Wallonia which were tagged incorrectly... That would probably have been avoided if the international page had shown the same information as the national one. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fixing administrative borders
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:22:28 +0200, Andre Engels wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Don't have much time to reply, so a short one: Always look at the country specific page to get the answers. The international page is just there for some guiding, but the countries have to make their own rules. As is the case for Belgium. country: level 2 regions: level 4 communities: level 5 provinces: level 6 arrondissements: level 7 municipalities: level 8 district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 9 Then why is this information not on the international page? There is absolutely no reason to have conflicting information on a wiki. In this list I am missing single towns. A municipality consists of multiple towns. Should it not be: municipality:8, town:9, district/deelgemeentes/sections:10? I assume 10 can be used for sububurbs/wijken too? (does Belgium have that concept like the Netherlands?) 'Deelgemeente' in Belgium is a different concept than in the Netherlands. They are former municipalities, which in the 1960s or 1970s have fused into larger municipalities. Thus, a deelgemeente/district/section is more like a town than like a wijk. Ok, I've also looked at wikipedia, to me it seems that from low admin_level to high it should be: - Municipality (Gemeente/Commune) - Deelgemeente/district - Town - Suburb (Wijk) That would then suggest that everything from region down should be dropped one admin_level: country: level 2 regions: level 3 communities: level 4 provinces: level 5 arrondissements: level 6 municipalities: level 7 district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 8 town: level 9 suburb: level 10 Or start using admin_level=11. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] rendle
On 11-1-2012 18:14, Jo wrote: Deze mail heb ik verstuurd naar rendle: [knip] Eerlijk gezegd vind ik onderstaande mail nogal sarcastisch en vingertjeswijzend. Jij doet het fout en dat is jouw schuld is de boodschap die ik er in lees. IMHO schiet dat het doel mijlenver voorbij. Ik heb ook een aantal van zulk soort mailtjes ontvangen en ik vond dat totaal niet behulpzaam bij mijn beslissing of ik wel of niet met OSM verder zou gaan. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Routing view
On 2012-05-23 11:44, Teddy wrote: Hello, I have fix some routing problems 15km around Charleroi. I see that OSM Inspector don't expose the problems in real time. Wath is the refresh time on OSM Inspector ? Below the map it says Data from ... Presently it is on 2012-05-22 19:46:02 (UTC) and yesterday I saw it was from 2012-05-21 about the same time. So I assume it is updated daily. Maarten 2012/5/16 Teddy e...@swing.be [8] I will fix the routing problem for the points around Charleroi. Kind regards __Eddy__ 2012/5/15 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com [7] Thanks for mentioning this again. It has been a long time since I last used it. 2012/5/15 Johan C osm...@gmail.com [4] Hi, is anyone familiar with this site: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=4.32973lat=50.82125zoom=9 [1] showing several hundred routing problems in Belgium? ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [3] ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [5] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [6] Links: -- [1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routingamp;lon=4.32973amp;lat=50.82125amp;zoom=9 [2] mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [4] mailto:osm...@gmail.com [5] mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org [6] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be [7] mailto:sander...@gmail.com [8] mailto:e...@swing.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Vandalism in Brussels
On 2012-06-14 10:01, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: What where these silly edits ? How many amongst the edits were silly ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1784899252/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1784898875/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1784896185/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1784898319/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1784898802/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1785973283/history That may be just playing around, but it is also vandalism. He certainly needs to be contacted to inform him of his actions. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maxspeed in Brussels
On 2012-08-02 23:37, eMerzh wrote: Hello everybody .. i was playing a bit with the OSM routing machine at http://map.project-osrm.org/ , one of the best router based on osm. I discovered that a lot of routing decisions where not optimal and i found that the lack of maxspeed was often the cause of it. When a way is tagged as primary it assume that you can do 120 km/h or smth... if you can only do 50, you can imagine the difference :) So i've also played with another tool , postgis :p and i've created a quick and dirty missing maxspeed page for brussels (Sorry my machine isn't fast enough to import more :-( ) : http://osm.bmaron.net/maxspeed/ (warning it can be heavy to access ... sorry ) If you are bored because you are on vacation and it's raining, why not helping me correct all of those :) You can also use the ITO map service. It shows streets with a speed limit: http://www.itoworld.com/map/124#fullscreenlat=50.849027977811666lon=4.333080944270688zoom=14 Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Routing view
On 2012-09-13 12:10, Joren DC wrote: I fixed almost all problems in the state Antwerp. I only have 4 red dots left. Can somebody take a look at this strange situation: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=4.47035lat=51.38314zoom=16overlays=unconnected_major1,unconnected_major2,unconnected_major5 [6] I don't know how to solve it, and what happened to the roads. It is just as the OSM inspector indicated: the roads were close to eachother but not connected. In addition, De Eendracht had an extra node which made the way overlap itself. In JOSM these things are easy to fix: select the two nodes and merge them. It's now fixed. I also fixed the development tags. General use for roads that are not there yet is highway=construction and construction=living_street (or whatever tag the highway tag is going to get) Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Trunk road?
I drove across the N60e near Peruwelz [1] which has a autoweg (route pour automobile) sign. According to the wiki [2] this should be mapped as trunk. Currently it is a secondary road. What is the best option here? Make it trunk or add a motorway=yes tag? Regards, Maarten [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/50.51408/3.60882 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Highways ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Trunk road?
On 2014-12-30 16:33, Ben Laenen wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2014 11:09:12 Maarten Deen wrote: I drove across the N60e near Peruwelz [1] which has a autoweg (route pour automobile) sign. According to the wiki [2] this should be mapped as trunk. Currently it is a secondary road. What is the best option here? Make it trunk or add a motorway=yes tag? autoweg is in principle tagged as motorroad=yes. The highway=trunk is for all express roads where pedestrians/cyclists/mopeds aren't allowed, on the condition that it's not just for a single bridge or tunnel. So, should the N60e be mapped as trunk? I'm not sure, I don't know that road, it seems a bit small for it to be tagged as a trunk road. But if you think it makes sense, map it as trunk, but the motorroad=yes should nevertheless be enough for routers. Small as in short? I agree. It is short and leads from nothing to nowhere and especially does not connect two major roads directly. But the road itself would suit that tag. It is a wide road and would even satisfy german Kraftfahrstrasse regulations. Very un-belgian if I may say so, and it certainly looks out of place there. Even though, I am hesitant to tag it as trunk. I'll add the motorroad=yes tag and see how it evolves. Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] samenvoegen van stukken weg
On 2015-01-02 12:14, Marc Gemis wrote: Ik zou er langs deze weg iedereen willen op wijzen dat het gevaarlijk is om stukken weg samen te voegen tot 1 geheel. Zeker als dit gebeurt door de oude weg weg te smijten en een nieuwe te tekenen. Het heeft ook geen enkel nut. In de meeste gevallen zijn de wegen gesplitst voor een goede reden: andere eigenschappen, deel van een relatie. iD laat dit niet allemaal zien. Ik heb de auteur van deze changeset [1] gevraagd om het boeltje te herstellen, maar hij heeft er nog wel een paar gelijkaardige wijzigingen gedaan in de buurt van Lier. Misschien zijn er daar fietsroutes gebroken. In [1] weet ik zeker dat de wandelroutes verwijderd zijn. Dit was een paar maanden geleden ook aan de gang in Almere (Nederland). Ik snap de beweegredenen ook niet. Een perfecte weg verwijderen om een nieuwe te tekenen? Waarom dan niet direkt samenvoegen, dat is toch veel minder werk? Of is dat lastig in iD? Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] samenvoegen van stukken weg
On 2015-01-02 13:54, Glenn Plas wrote: Hoi Sander, Hebben we over hetzelfde hier ? JOSM gaat u wel een dialoog geven hoor dat de tags verschillen. De user krijgt de merge window open. Het is aan de user om daarin te beslissen. Je krijgt die dialoog alleen als de tags verschillen. Als een stuk weg een bepaalde tag heeft en het andere stuk niet dan krijg je die dialoog niet. Dus: maxspeed=30 en maxspeed=50 samenvoegen: dialoog, maxspeed=30 en geen maxspeed tag samenvoegen: geen dialoog. Maarten ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?
Peter Childs wrote: Speed limits tend to apply to zones not roads anyway, it just happens that most people only drive on the road. Oh and you will find Speed I disagree. How would you define the zone in this example? http://maximumsnelheid.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=13lat=51.3242lon=5.98173layers=BT The green roads are 50 km/h, the dark blue roads are 30. The 30 is a zone, but what zone are the 50 roads? Same problem with the red (80) and pale blue (60) roads. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google satellite maps updates
I haven't seen this anywhere, but it seems that Google is updating its satellite maps with even higher resolution data. Compare what I previously knew as best resolution: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=nlgeocode=ie=UTF8ll=51.835292,5.859522spn=0.001566,0.003272t=kz=19 with this: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=nlgeocode=ie=UTF8ll=51.973234,4.253047spn=0.000781,0.001636t=kz=20 That's pretty impressive (and will get everyone looking at the beaches to see some skin). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions
Cartinus wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:44:54 Maarten Deen wrote: I've searched the wiki and I have used the tag myself, but there seems to be no documentation for restriction= ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction Thanks, I knew it was somewhere, but the wiki search seems to be seriously flawed: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchns0=1ns1=1ns2=1ns3=1ns4=1ns5=1ns6=1ns7=1ns8=1ns9=1ns10=1ns11=1ns12=1ns13=1ns14=1ns15=1ns200=1ns201=1ns202=1ns203=1ns204=1ns205=1ns206=1ns208=1ns209=1redirs=1search=restrictionfulltext=Advanced+search does not bring up any results. I see now it does work with the Google search, but then what's the point for wikipedia to have its own search. Regards, ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How big of an SD card should I get for Openstreetmap work
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Sábado, 30 de Mayo de 2009, Paul Houle escribió: I just got a Garmin Etrex Vista HCx that I'd like to use for viewing Openstreetmaps and for creating tracks I can upload. I'm about to buy an SD card for this: how big of a card do I need to hold Openstreetmaps? AFAIK, the biggest microSD card that you can put into an eTrex is a 2 GB card (the bigger microSD-HC cards won't work). You can have them for less than five bucks nowadays, so go buy one. I held onto a 1 GB card since I bought an eTrex - OSM maps for Spain spend less than 50 MB of space; and the rest of the card can hold *months* worth of GPX tracks. Spain apparently is not mapped very densly. I recently downloaded not even all of Germany and got a 370MB file. But I agree: SD cards cost next to nothing, I would buy the biggest that the device can use. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and sketching from aerial imagery
Joe Richards wrote: I've been enjoying sketching/tracing from Yahoo aerial imagery in Potlatch (hey some people knit or do crosswords, I find _this_ relaxing!). I recently discovered that the default 'highway' tag for roads taken from imagery is highway=road (_not_ highway=unclassified as would seem logical!) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Aerial_Imagery#How_to_sketch.3F If that is the case, why does Potlatch not offer highway=road as one of its presents, under the little car icon? You're thinking of the wrong unclassified. Unclassified here does not mean the road in OSM is not classified, or does not have a better designation, it means that it is designated as unclassified (that is: not motorway, primary, secondary, tertiaty) in the real world. The OSM equivalent of a road for which the correct designation is not know is road. So Potlatch does it as it should. See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using Garmins nüvi 550 for OSM
Ingo Lantschner wrote: anyone here, who has experiences on using Garmins nüvi 550 for collecting data and exporting this for use in OSM? I have a Nüvi 205 and have found the trackpoint placing rather sparse. The strategy seems to be on chaninging occurences, not every x meters or x seconds and I haven't found a setting how to influence that. Maybe the 550 has a setting for that, but if it doesn't than it is not very useful. It also locks to roads if it is in navigation mode. Lock to road is only off if you set the vehicle to off-road, but then it does not do any navigation. But the tracklog is on the internal memory, if I recall correctly it is in the GPX directory and it is a GPX file. You can open that in JOSM without the need to convert. No idea how this all applies to the 550, but maybe it helps. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted feature for API 0.7 ??
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Peter Dörrie wrote: The current renderes wouldn't be able to handle it either and forcing 50+ applications to change would be unappropriate. Why, we're doing that all the time ;-) There are many unsolved questions here. For example: What happens if parts of the ancient world transcend your fourth dimension, e.g. a contemporary secondary road uses a few bits of an ancient Roman road. They would surely share the same nodes, wouldn't they? But if someone then deletes the secondary road (which he downloaded without ever knowing that the Roman road also exists because that was shielded from him), he must not delete the nodes because they are still used by other objects... No... in the temporal database you don't delete nodes or ways, you set the correct used in period ;) But it opens a large can of worms if you are looking at temporal information. All SciFi books can tell you that. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is Xapi working?
80n wrote: The server running the xapi service is down at the moment. Any info on what the problem is and when it's going to be resolved? And what is the status of the other two XAPI servers? Bearstech seems to be perpetually testing, and xapi.openstreetmap still serves 0.5 data and 0.6 service will start shortly (ever since the move to 0.6). Any help needed? Yann, what query were you trying. Once the server is back up I can take a look and see why it would be failing for you. I've had the telascience server serve me proper 0.6 data, so if there is a data issue, it's something that popped up at least after june 1st (that's the last time I can confirm getting data). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overhauled the Garmin page
Andy Allan wrote: Good work, long overdue. I would make some suggestions: * The model name could have the links from the Detailed description, saving width That's what I thought too. I added the Nüvi details without the extra Detailed description but with the links in the model name. But Peter added the column. I think it is double information. Regards, Maarten * ... and could link to the right part of the page using # in the url * Most of the good and bad points will be the same for each eTrex unit, and so combining them would be useful * Colour-coding good and bad things is useful using template:yes and its cousins * Most importantly, that table needs info in it ASAP otherwise it's one of those many good idea but only partly-implemented things which are littered around the wiki - i.e. where someone comes up with a plan but doesn't follow through on finishing the job :-) Cheers, Andy 2009/6/5 Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com: Hi everybody, I made an overhaul of the Garmin-Page [1] and moved all the different device series to their own subpages. I also introduced a proposal for an overview table for individual devices. Please feel free to comment and change everything. Peter [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garmin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization
David Earl wrote: On 24/06/2009 00:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, greg...@arenius.com wrote: What do people think? I think why bother. Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people (ab)using it to their heart's content, so what's the big deal. +1 If you're not sure what something comes under it's easy enough to look it up, and in most cases presets know about it anyway. Personally I think these categorizations have no value anyway, and if I were designing it from scratch, I'd have just a type for each item and A reason to do better categorizations would be to ease conversion to mobile (or online) routeplanners, which already have some sort of categorization in amenities. If you don't do that in OSM than you need a conversion for that. Not saying that this is a compelling argument to do categories in OSM, but it does have a value. Personally I'm also more inclined to why bother. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization
Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote: Arguing over the presentation on the wiki isn't really the issue. What the tags are, and how they're documented, are two separate things. But like Ævar says, talk is cheap, and though many of us feel strongly that MediaWiki is a rubbish solution (even discounting its performance issues) none of us have as yet actually produced any code. Any devs out there looking for a project? I'm not talking about the whole wiki, just the Map Features page. This page presents all tags at same level of importance, from the highway=residential instanciated million times to highway=bus_guideway or railway=monorail instanciated ergh.. (don't know.. 3 times ?). I don't understand people saying it is not possible with the search function. How do they use wikipedia ? they have a single page listing all articles listed in alphabetic order ? The nice part about the map_features page is that there is one overview and for a lot of tags there is even a nice picture to see what real-world example fits it. Moving away from that would mean lots of searching in pages with tags that may or may not fit your needs, and using the search with the wrong search key will give you nothing usefull, while browsing through a list will result in finding the correct key. Of course this could be fixed by i.e. making a category for each main key type (highway, waterway, natural, amenity, etc.) and using the category page for the overview of values associated with the key, but a standard wiki-generated category page only lists pages and does not have the information which is now in the table of the map features page. And what is importance here? Don't confuse abundance of use with importance. A bus lane is certainly not used as much as a primary road, but it is not less important. IMHO the map_features page functions as it should: a list of documented features. Regards, Marten About synonyms, you can also improve the descriptions to include these terms or use the REDIRECT feature. I also don't like the position why bother, it's chaotic, let them continue. I'm sure we can improve this page a bit more than sort the amenities. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Checking double imports for nodes (was: Re: Thousands of small changesets by Tim Proegler)
Celso González wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:00:55PM +0100, Christoph Böhme wrote: Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com schrieb: Can we ban it, the stuff its uploading is completely useless. (single nodes with only note tags and no other useful metadata) All the nodes I have looked at are for german petrol stations. The script does not seem to check if the station has already been mapped and only setting the note tag is really not much help in sorting this out later. Importing single nodes its not a bad thing, we made a similar import of spanish fuel stations and schools. By the way, its difficult to check if there is another fuel station in the same zone. No it's not. Especially for nodes it is trivial. For ways it requires some more effort. For nodes: download the relevant nodes in the area that you are going to upload in (XAPI might be useful here) and check for each node you want to import if there is a node in the vicinity. Since you have lat-lon of each node that's a basic SQL query. I am assuming you put everything in a database (with osmosis for example). The only thing is that that check is not done online and the exact weeding out of double nodes should be done by hand, according to the list that the query generates. But if you do it correctly, the last step of re-downloading the existing data through checking and uploading the new data will take only minutes. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Error in wiki tag {{Language-Mapper}} for Spanish
Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi, I've just realized that the list of languages displayed in the wiki of openstreetmap.org shows 'Espanol' instead of 'Español' (correct), can you guys fix this? Fixed. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!
SteveC wrote: On 1 Jul 2009, at 17:48, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, Mike Collinson escribió: Last year we had some great Limerick poems for the Limerick State Of the Map Conference. This year, the format is the Haiku. Maps maps maps maps maps maps maps! Ivan This is a derivative work, clearly, of my efforts last year. I have openly licensed this on the OSM wiki as CC-BY-SA 2.0 however, you have not provided attribution. I would appreciate this. In reference to Ivan I would like to do a free interpretation that is not a Haiku. Lovely maps, wonderful maps Maps-and-maps-and-maps-and-maps Lovely maps, wonderful maps Ma-a-a-aps Ma-a-a-a-ps Ma-a-a-a-ps MA-A-A-A-APS!!! (You know who it's from) To put it in Haiku: Maps, lovely maps Maps-and-maps-and-maps-and-maps Maps, wonderful maps Or better: maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps maps Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Just a thought
Marc Coevoet wrote: What _are_ you on about? The *-ish give the maps of their country for free to OSM. AND donated their data to OSM. And AND is a Dutch company. Then the *ish buy a map company. Well, TomTom has bought Teleatlas. But that is a different dutch than AND. The *ish think that the EU governments will be so stupid not to donate their maps Here you lost me. The *ish not very welcome in my street ... Are we back in 1830-1839? *ish = dutch map company = TeleAtlas. Every shareholder should be against free maps. Every government will show its involvement in the share markets... Again, you've lost me. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cheap Recorder
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 24 de Julio de 2009, Andrew Gregory escribió: Having said all that, *would* anyone be interested in a ~USD$200 640x480 geotagging camera and GPS logger? I think I could buy a half-decent smartphone and a bluetooth GPS for *less* than that money. Or a mobile phone with built-in GPS. The cheapest I can find in the Netherlands is a Nokia N78 with GPS (TI GPS5300) and 3.1 MP camera for 200 (that is bare phone price, no subscription rate). There are loads of phones in the 200 - 250 pricerange, probably all with a camera. Usually, getting a phone together with a subscription means getting the phone for little or no money at all. I have no idea how good the GPS receivers on mobile phones are, but if that is the pricerange a homebuilt camera/logger has to go for, I'd opt for a mobile phone instead. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. I meant there's two ways of conceptualising the distance below a bridge (as an attribute or a restriction). I'm not suggesting we need 2 different tags. I'm quite happy to tag it as a restriction, if we can agree on how it should be implemented. have a node on the way effected, near or under the bridge, rather than splitting the way and then tagging that node as maxheight or clearence might be the better option that making a new section of way. However maxheight is currently only applicable to ways not nodes. ... It's not hard or ambiguous, it just means splitting a way under the bridge similar to splitting a bridge. I would at least suggest that - if maxheight is applied to a node, as you suggest - the node should be *shared* by the bridge (way) and the way passing under. This makes it clearer that maxheight is That seems a very bad idea. Nodes are generally used to indicate a physical path between two ways. Having a node shared between a bridge and the way underneath may solve one problem but introduces another (having to make a relation to indicate this physical route is not present). specifically referring to the bridge clearance. Also, if someone is checking, for example, whether maxheight is specified for a particular bridge/way, they don't have to go searching for some random node near the bridge. But why am I interested in a bridge clearance? I am interested in the maximum height my vehicle can have while traveling down a road. I can argue exactly like you that I don't want to go searching for some random node near the road I'm travelling on to see if it is possible to do so. If you are on the bridge, you are not really interested if the bridge poses a limit to the way underneath it. IMHO there are people here trying too hard to model things. maxheight does not necessarily need to be applied to bridges only. It could also be powercables or tramlines or low streetlighting or branches or whatever. maxheight needs to be applied to the road it applies to. Not the structure that is going over it. If you want to do that (which is not that uncommon, water maps do it all the time), introduce another key. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height
Liz edodd at billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?). Logically you can as they are on different layers. That is not going to work. There is always a way with no layer connected to a way with a layer tag. How would you distinguish between the two? Making an agreement crossing ways with different layer tag is not good enough. When is it crossing? When the ways continue on all four sides of the node? In right angles only? What when two ways are in an acute angle? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: Having a node shared between a bridge and the way underneath may solve one problem but introduces another (having to make a relation to indicate this physical route is not present). Agreed. maxheight needs to be applied to the road it applies to. Not the structure that is going over it. If you want to do that (which is not that uncommon, water maps do it all the time), introduce another key. Ok. So it seems the question now is, how should maxheight be applied to roads passing under bridges? The only reasonable and maintainable approach, in my opinion, is to apply it to the section of road that is physically under the bridge. Any objections? IMHO it is not that important if the way with the limit is only just beneath the bridge, or is somewhat longer or is applied to nodes on either side of a bridge. I recently came across this example where the way with the maxheight is a lot longer than strictly necessary. For every day uses this does not really pose a problem. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25883025 Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: IMHO it is not that important if the way with the limit is only just beneath the bridge, or is somewhat longer or is applied to nodes on either side of a bridge. I recently came across this example where the way with the maxheight is a lot longer than strictly necessary. For every day uses this does not really pose a problem. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25883025 So the solution is do whatever you want? Hrmm... A couple of potential problems with this: What if someone later adds a way that intersects the way with the restriction? The restriction must then be removed from the part of the way that is beyond the bridge - but this user should not be expected to know that the restriction even exists... Also, for longer sections, it becomes less clear that the maxheight restriction is in regard to the bridge (versus the law, power lines, trees, buildings, or something else). For ways with multiple bridges in close proximity, it may become unclear which bridge the restriction applies to. etc etc... It gets a bit sloppy... You are right. It is better to stay close around the limiting object. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data
Simone Cortesi wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that don't make any sense. No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay where they are forever and continue being served by the GPS API. anyway this is something that we might need to consider in the future. GPS are becoming more precise. older tracks are, on a general basis, less precise than actual ones. and road modifications will become more apparent as we progress. But there is no way to determine if a particular GPS track is outdated. Sure, you can look at the map and say I don't see a physical road for this track, but how would you identify GPS points of a track that is invalid? Especialy for the anonymous tracks? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Old GPS data
John Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But there is no way to determine if a particular GPS track is outdated. Sure, you can look at the map and say I don't see a physical road for this track, but how would you identify GPS points of a track that is invalid? Especialy for the anonymous tracks? date they were added to the system? That is not indicative. A road could remain unchanged for the last 100 years or could have been demolished last year. What would be the expiration time of a track? And would you be prepared to lose correct GPS data to do this? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Broken formatting of Wiki pages
Peter Miller wrote: Many of the UK wiki pages with 'place' and 'slippery map' templates are badly formatted, but not all. This one is badly formatted:- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Sussex and this one as well:- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/County_Durham But this one is fine:- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridgeshire I changed the Geohack for OSM part on Template:place a bit. It looks better on the template page, but it appears the template is cached so it might take a little time before the pages look better. It should say More maps on Geohack for OSM in the corrected version. I suspect the original version had problems with page names that have spaces in them. For a quick fix I wasn't able to fix it so that it looked how user Kolossos made it originaly. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Broken formatting of Wiki pages
Maarten Deen wrote:
Peter Miller wrote:
Many of the UK wiki pages with 'place' and 'slippery map' templates
are badly formatted, but not all.
This one is badly formatted:-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Sussex
and this one as well:-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/County_Durham
But this one is fine:-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridgeshire
I changed the Geohack for OSM part on Template:place a bit. It looks better
on the template page, but it appears the template is cached so it might take a
little time before the pages look better.
It should say More maps on Geohack for OSM in the corrected version.
I suspect the original version had problems with page names that have spaces
in them. For a quick fix I wasn't able to fix it so that it looked how user
Kolossos made it originaly.
Well, first fix did not do the trick (same space problem), but I saw the
solution in the same template: use {{urlencode:{{{name} if the name is to
be used in a URL. It will substitute '+' for space so the wiki does not get
confused.
Pages are still cached from where I see them (could be local cache), but see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tyne_and_Wear for proof.
And reverted my layout change to Kolossos' original version.
Regards,
Maarten
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Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign
Florian Lohoff wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:44:32AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. Still waiting for a good way to tag maxspeed per direction. What we call a Geschwindkeitstrichter in German - the continues limiting of the maxspeed to a lower value e.g. 100/70/50 up to a crossing. This is typically not reflected driving from the crossing where only a maxspeed end sign basically is put up. I also see ofter a limit in the inner lane in a corner but not on the outer lane ... This can currently not really be modelled. Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h on the right lane and 100 km/h (or 120? haven't been there in two years) on the left two lanes. Speedlimit is imposed because of the steep gradient down and is meant to limit the risk of runaway HGV's on the right lane. So the correct wording is: there can only be one maxspeed per lane per direction on a road. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h on the right lane and 100 km/h (or 120? haven't been there in two years) on the left two lanes. That's no issue as it's 2 OSM-ways for the 2 directions of the motorway anyway. It is an issue becasue the speed limit is on different lanes going in the same direction. I just checked and see that in OSM there is a speedlimit of 100 km/h on the eastbound lanes. The speedlimit of 40 on the right of the three eastbound lanes is not tagged. Local situation is: = Cologne - Limburg - Cologne - Limburg - Cologne - Limburg = Cologne - Limburg (100) Cologne - Limburg (100) - Cologne - Limburg (40) = Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign
Lennard wrote: Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, you'll just have to go with a generalized solution. The general solution is maxspeed is the highest of the maxspeeds of all classes of vehicle on that road. See also the signs we have in continental europe when you enter a country: there is usually a large sign specifying the maximum speeds on different roads (within town, outside town, motorway). I have never seen a different sign for mopeds, HGV's or vehicles with a caravan, it is always the maximum for all vehicles. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: And obviously you're also not travelling to Poland, otherwise you would have seen this sign: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Speedlimitsinpoland.png/424px-Speedlimitsinpoland.png Nope, I haven't. And if I was driving past it I wouldn't know what was on it. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
OJ W wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I also checked the Australian state borders and they are marked as admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with things if the script was only looking for a single number, however the boundary is used for local and state. the 4;10 number sounds like a good place to start investigating - is that why they're not showing-up on the map of australia? Does the script also take boundaries in relations into account? I'm a little puzzled by http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=42.8145lon=20.365 which is inside Kosovo with two relations as border, #1057;#1088;#1073;#1080;#1112;#1072;, admin_level 2, which is seen and Kosovo, admin_level 3, which is not seen. Two boundary relations is also the way to map the Australian example. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] French/Dutch caribbean island Saint Martin (Sint Maarten) not correctly positionned
Pieren wrote: I'm currently implementing the cadastre support in JOSM for the french part of the island Saint-Martin shared with our Dutch friends (it is a special projection). The island is quite well mapped today, mostly from the hi-res Yahoo imagery I guess: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.069lon=-63.0746zoom=13layers=B000FTF The problem is that the data, although they match the Yahoo imagery, seem to be shifted from about 800 meters in north. The French national geographic institut provides files about geodesic reference points and one is marked on the main fortress here: http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiche_geodesie_OM.asp?num_site=9712701X=491000Y=1998000 Here the details of one mark on the ground: http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiche_point_OM.asp?num_site=9712701no_ptg=01 So, the fortress should be at 18.0707416944 lat and -63.0851921944 lon but in OSM it is at (approx.) 18.0705758642 lat and -63.0845414733 lon I'm not quite clear how you come to that conclusion. While JOSM only displays 4 digits after the comma (ooh, can we change that to 7 someday?), both coordinates lie in a wooded area which may very well be the fortress. And the difference between these two points is 71 metres in total, just 18 metres N-S difference, not 800. The Google images are a lot better than the Yahoo ones, and where Google says the fort is, is close to the first set of coordinates, and that lines up with Yahoo. But in OSM, there is no point to identify the fortress. Furthermore: I downloaded the GPS data for Sint-Maarten and that lines up very nice with the roads of OSM (both in the French as the Dutch part), and the roads line up with the Yahoo imagery. So I don't really see this mismatch you are seeing. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spam on TAH-Map
Peter Körner wrote: Hi This looks a little like spam to me or at least like bad rendering rules for tah. Can anyone confirm one of these? http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/?layer=tilez=12x=3492y=1586 It looks to me like a lot of place=town nodes have been added that might very well be place=suburb. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI [DISTANCE: ]
ad...@ticino.com wrote: I have a question concerning POI's. How should i handel POI's reporting this information DISTANCE: 518043.59 m, DISTANCE: 517980.06 m etc. etc. (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=46.32lon=9.4203zoom=14) Should I remove this POI's ? I'd first ask the creator of these points what the use of them is, but my first reaction would be to delete them. It seems that whatever program he used to download his tracks from the GPS, it created a POI for every trackpoint containing the information of the distance he traveled. Really of no use in OSM IMHO. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Lots of ways in Congo double
I'm doing some relations on borders in Congo (the Democratic Republic of) and see that a lot of ways (borders and highways) are double. Two ways exactly on top of eachother, with their own nodes. All way id's are in the 37.000.000's and appear to be created by user tmcw in a few different changesets (I've seen 1759554, 1759602 and 1759110). I have been deleting some of the ways already, is there still a good solution to remove the double ways? Mind you: I can not be certain that all edits are double in those changesets, so reverting them is probably not going to work. It would need to be some remove double script on the data itself. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org completely down
Andre Hinrichs wrote: Hi List, I just discovered, that the whole site seems to be down including www,api,gpx Hope, that mail is working. I will update the status at wiki to DOWN now. Please change if site is available again. Everything works from here. The map, the api, haven't uploaded any tracks, but I can see them (last one is sGPX_20090811062939.gpx from 4 minutes ago). I think it is a glitch on your side. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I created a tool that can be found at http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ I'd like to encourage everyone to spend some time making translated maps better. Comments welcome! What is the opinion for translations that are the same in other languages? For instance: Andorra is Andorra in a lot of languages. Do you add a translation even though the translation is the same as the original name? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I created a tool that can be found at http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ I'd like to encourage everyone to spend some time making translated maps better. Comments welcome! Some translations show up orange. What does that signify? And a typo: endlish - english Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping golf courses
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: here is an attempt to map a golf course: http://xlquest.net/ the xml code is here: http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/osmindia/ Looks nice, but I would like to suggest putting a green background over the whole course, and only have light background where there is sand (bunkers). IMHO it is a bit busy the way it looks now. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Haha. Nice one. Maybe you can? There is no line in the middle of the road preventing crossing the road (see also the car turning a little south). I do assume there is a no left turn sign at the side of the road, but from this angle, that sign is invisible ;) Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM on German TV
I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height of the curbs and inclination of streets (both very important for wheelchair users). The video [1] is available on Quarks Co's website [2]. All in German, but google's translate does a decent job of the website. [1] http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/videos/flashplayer.jsp?mid=84793 [2] http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungsbeitraege/2009/0915/008_karten.jsp Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on German TV
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.de wrote: Am Samstag 19 September 2009 schrieb Maarten Deen: I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height of the curbs and inclination of streets (both very important for wheelchair users). The video [1] is available on Quarks Co's website [2]. All in German, but google's translate does a decent job of the website. [1] http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/videos/flashplayer.jsp?mid=84793 [2] http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungsbeitraege/2009/0915/008_karten.jsp Regards, Maarten Things like this are very good to know. I mean I allway map all kind of steps that I see (even though there are only to steps) just to make sure that handycaped people know that there comes stair. But I never thought about the steapnes or anything simmilar. That is really important and good to know. Can someone point to areas in Bonn that have been mapped like this or to pages on the wiki where the tagging system they're used is documented? I couldn't find it. I found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rollstuhlfahrer-Routing Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cloud made routing and turn restrictions
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:18:50 +0300, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: From what I know Cloudmade's routing is not using turn restrinctions (yet). If you want something like this take a look at YOURS: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/YOURS. I just tried YOURS for some turn restrictions I made (according to the last edit date on september 20th, YOURS data is from september 23th) and YOURS does not obey them. Example: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=51.329119flon=6.037026tlat=51.331184tlon=6.038829v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik You should only be routed straight on, on both roads. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping islands question
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:47:38 -0400, Joe Pranevich jpranev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to fix Hutchinson Island, Florida ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.526lon=-80.2964zoom=14layers=B000FTF) and the main issue is that the island's coastlines were very wrong. (Roads off the coast, the coastline at one point crossed over itself as a figure-eight, etc.) And I've made these changes and made sure that the coasts were connected and running counter-clockwise, but the changes don't appear -- but the streets and other changes that I've made while doing this have appeared. Am I doing something wrong with setting up the islands? Or are coastlines rendered on a different schedule (not real time) and so I need to wait until later in the week to see whether it's fixed or not? I still see crossing coastlines, especially in this area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.52804lon=-80.31554zoom=18layers=B000FTF There is one scetchy coastline with way id=22306017 and source=PGS crossing an island with id=43250051, and a bit more south there is also an island, id=43250058 which is inside the coastline of id 22306017. I see that you edited 22306017, which was edited afterwards. Maybe that messed things up? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Dan Putler wrote: Exel) some people have been tagging ways. If there are areas with tags with house number ranges, we'd like to have some idea of where they are located. PAGC is currently shapefile centric (though this will change in the longer run), so we would need to convert the ways to shapefile format to use them. Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema and the city of Karlsruhe http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.0075lon=8.3879zoom=12layers=B000FTF for a proposal and actual use of housenumbers. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI layer for Tiles at home
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Simon Ward simon at bleah.co.uk wrote: or a layer that allows you to select what POIs to display (although a long list of POIs might be a little unwieldy). This map already exists: http://www.lenz-online.de/cgi-bin/osm/osmpoinit.pl/ That solution is painfully slow and appears to be very awkward. In Firefox, it reloads, displays, reloads, displays, etc... and seems to do that for every single POI it finds. That can never be a viable solution. I was looking at the same for one of my other hobbies too and used the OpenLayers POI example that's in the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers_POI_layer_example. I used that to create a map with all banks and ATMs in the Netherlands http://www.maasluip.nl/ebt/openlayer.html That works for me in Firefox, but it works less good in IE7 and quite poorly in IE6. Apparently IE has a problem with the number of POIs in the map (some 1200). As the list is currently fixed this is also not a viable solution for the general public. What you would want to make is a database backend (which can be the OSM database but can also be a dedicated one) and an OpenLayers solution that can display POIs on demand. The selection of POIs can be something like the map at lenz-online de, or you can make something that is more grouped per type of POI. That way you do a select on the database with with the boundingbox of the map and the selection of POIs you like and that returns all POIs you want, and displays them on the map. The database query thing is easy, and the displaying thing should also be possible with OpenLayers. I think the OSM Inspector http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/ does something like that. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime
Tom Hughes wrote: To make things a little clearer, we are actually blocking out four days for this, from 20th to 23rd March. So don't count on being able to upload anything during that period. There is only one mapping party listed for that weekend on the wiki, and it doesn't have any details yet, which is part of the reason why that date was chosen as it will hopefully minimise the disruption caused. IMHO it's a good idea to post these dates in the event calender. With some emphasis. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] usercases for josm outside osm
Kim Hawtin wrote: hi maning, maning sambale wrote: JOSM is an excellent data editing tool (hey I also love potlatch!). Many of of its features I would love integrated in some FOSS GIS editing toolbox. That being said, are there user cases where JOSM is used outside OSM as a GIS editing app? Please share your experiences. what i'd really like is a mode where i can edit the GPS trails. just top and tailing the junk off the ends where the GPS was started and stopped, any time where you are are effectively indoors... also splitting large GPS trails into smaller more manageable sections. Second that. Basically what is now possible with Garmin's Mapsource: see GPX tracks, edit them, display them on a map. For that there will also need to be more map-downloading than z12 tiles only. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hardware Upgrade Fund
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Etienne wrote: We are going to keep the appeal open for at least a few more days. We know there are more donations in the pipeline Google Inc Google Open Source Programs Office http://code.google.com/opensource/ 2009-02-08 12:33:25 GBP 5,000.00 Wow. With one step 50% over the target. Apparently the API server has gotten scared that it is going to be replaced. I can't get any data from it at all. Has it gone in hiding in some closet somewhere? ;) Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6
Shaun McDonald wrote: On 8 Feb 2009, at 12:44, Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2009, Gary68 wrote: in europe there are 202 ways with more than 1950 nodes. complete lists can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SomeChecks or the europe file directly: http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/some/len_europe.htm Does this suggest that there will be a 1950 node limit in the 0.6 API? If yes, where's all this documented? It will be a 2000 node limit. It is now quickly documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6#New_Limits Is this a limit posed on ways only or also on relations? Because I got a note of a fellow mapper warning me that some relations have more than 2000 members. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6
Frederik Ramm wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, I'm happy :-) I'm pretty sure there will be, it is not implemented yet but I believe we said it would be 1.000. Relations with more members become very hard to work with. So, we're going to have to make relations to group relations? Isn't that a bit... daft? I thought relations were there to make the editors able to work on ways and not have to download all ways in the relation. How would a big relation then be hard to work with? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: David Earl wrote: I can't help feeling the effort that I've noticed some contributors are putting into manually changing oneway=yes to oneway=true would be better spent doing something more useful. Well, JOSM-search-type:way oneway:true A nice way to rest my brain. Who's to say what the right answer is when there is no right answer. I pretend to know and say (again) that the right answer is not to have duplicate tags for the same meaning. But, that's not that much about changing them for changing them I'm fighting for, but for that : http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2009-January/006179.html ( don't want to waste time translating, but get help from google translator if you want to read my story ) Eek - people are really doing this? I am Whatever it is going to be: it would be nice if the validator plugin in JOSM will accept this. Currently it's programmed to accept yes/no as a proper tag and true/false is flagged as incorrect. That's why I change these tags to yes/no if I encounter them (with the validator). If I'm then in an editwar with Sylvain, I hope we can do it face to face with some wine and cheese ;) Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: no false 0 -1 all other values are ignored and treated as yes (why else would you have a oneway-tag). Ouch ! While using your software, I'll be extreamly carefull on the road ;-) Don't want to be droven on an undefined or other or maybe oneway Europe counts : oneway | count + yes| 466883 1 | 104487 true | 100204 no | 35883 false | 3519 -1 | 2683 undefined |197 0 | 24 unknown| 11 both | 11 other | 9 Not oneway, not both ways, but... you can go down as well? true; 1; true | 2 yes; yes; true; yes; yes | 2 I've encountered some of those too. I'm all in favour of making lists like this on a regular basis with the node-id/lat-lon so that people can change it. Not the yes/true debate, but these obvious errors. I know we did something similar after the AND import in the Netherlands. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
D Tucny wrote: It doesn't get down to streetnames at the moment and there is only one country and 29 cities tagged with Catalan names... That said, I'll add it to the list of things to look at changing next time I do an import... And don't forget name:carnaval. Okay, it is mostly gigglevalue, but a lot of the towns in the south of the Netherlands will then show a different name. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing OpenStreetBrowser
Stephan Plepelits wrote: Hi Folks! Some of you might already have noticed the OpenStreetBrowser, as I added it to the list of GSoC-Projects, and I've been already writing on a page in the OSM-Wiki for the last week. I had a little bit too much time in the last months, so I started to write a web-application where you can browse the OSM-content in certain categories. This includes an own style with some thematic overlays. I'm quite excited about it, there are so many possibilities in the database. It's not finished yet, but I think of the current version of a usable beta (I just updated browser support, it's even working in IE6, though with some restrictions). So ... don't want to loose to many words, just give it a try: - http://www.openstreetbrowser.org In the OSM-Wiki you find additional informations about the project: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBrowser I think it's superb. I've been looking for something like this for some time now and I know it's not easy, so it's just wonderful that someone has found the time to do it. Some comments though: - If you select a category, the items only show up as icons on the map from zoom 15. Placing markers at lower zoomlevels would also be very welcome. - some categories are incomplete. Public transport stops only shows train stations and not bus stops. That's probably because a bus stop is tagged as highway=bus_stop - shopping does not find anything in my area, although I have added shops. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sat Nav idiocy in Todmorden
David Ebling wrote: I think a lot of you probably saw this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7962212.stm Yes. And rightly so that someone driving like that is charged. I thought people might be interested to see the location on Multimap, which has some nice bird's eye photos too. http://www.multimap.com/s/10OO0OsQ I guess this is where it all happened: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=qie=UTF8ll=53.704439,-2.109332spn=0.000646,0.001577t=kz=19 and that the driver entered the road from the north. How far out does one have to be to continue on that road, judging from the satellite photos. Especially if he works as a driver and presumably spends quite some time on the road. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cyclefootway
Richard Mann wrote: Map Features says that highway=cycleway should be used for ways that are mainly/exclusively for bicycles. Does that mean that all those cycleways in the Netherlands have (implicit) footways alongside, or that there are so few pedestrians that the way can be regarded as mainly for bicycles, or that they tag them as cycleways even though there are a fair number of pedestrians? Well, pedestrians are allowed to walk on any road if there is no pavement or cycleway next to it (exceptions are motorways and the use of a sign barring pedestrians) and are always allowed to walk on cycleways. And as we all have a bike, cycling is more common than walking. It is certainly not that a cycleway usually has a footway next to it. On the contrary, it usually does not. As the term bridleway is uncommon in the Netherlands (there are paths designated as horseback route, but they are not limited to horses and pedestrians) I would tag such a way as track in the Netherlands. A track does not ban any specific traffic, that would have to be put in tags. Maarten On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Richard Mann wrote: Only the British use bridleway. The Dutch have markedly few footways (which probably indicates cycleway is being used quite loosely). My recollection of both urban and rural bits of the Netherlands is that there actually are fewer footways than cycleways - I've had a look at the map of a couple of bits that I'm familiar with (Maarssen, Scherpenzeel and the German border near Enschede FWIW) and (with a couple of exceptions) what's mapped matches pretty much I'd expect to be if the same feature were mapped in the UK. My experience of the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia is that it's the UK that's the odd one out in having fewer cycleways than the norm for northwestern Europe. Obviously this has no bearing on whether a particular route in Oxford should be labelled as a bridleway or a cycleway (I've never been there and can't comment). Maybe arrange a meeting in a local pub and have a show of hands? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - h==highway
Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le lundi 30 mars 2009 à 05:46, PAA a écrit : Request for comments on creating the key:h and making it synonymous with key:highway. That's just ridiculous. Don't start duplicating tags with the same meaning. No it's not. It's called convenience. And once you start with tag names, you could go on with values and replace primary with p, secondary with s and so on. Then I would like to propose 1 for primary, 2 for secondary, and so on. trunk roads would be 0 and highways -1. Add .5 for _link. Can we implement this tomorrow? Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - h==highway
Chris Hill wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Can we implement this tomorrow? When hell freezes over maybe. I meant day after tomorrow BTW. Maybe that clears it up a bit. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] turn restriction relations: via
Gregory Williams wrote: -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Shaun McDonald I have seen some people splitting roundabouts so that the bridge can be shown properly. Also, there's a roundabout that's split into three separate ways in Canterbury, because it's actually a different road name for each of those ways. I've also seen several examples of roundabouts being split to accommodate bridges, particularly at motorway junctions. Or routes. There is no reason why a roundabout should consist of only one way. If need be, a relation can be created to include all ways in a roundabout. Roundabouts in the Netherlands (from the AND import) are generally split in a different segment on each point where a road joins it. Random example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.51517lon=6.102627zoom=18layers=B000FTF. This is a typical example. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Searching a word for tagging a special feature of a track
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Viernes, 17 de Abril de 2009, Heiko Jacobs escribió: I'm searching a suitable english word for tagging this: http://umverka.de/uvimg/messeschmal.jpg I think that tracktype=grade3 or tracktype=grade4 will cover this issue. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype The map features page has some photo's to go with it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Tracktype Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tag for dry river
Joseph Scanlan wrote: We often call it a wash around here (Las Vegas, Nevada (in the southwest US)). Wikipedia, however, redirected me to arroyo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_(creek) Whatever name we use, it would be quite nice to have a tag for it. Renderers, editors, etc. can handle the localization. I'm reluctant to use seasonal to modify another water feature tag. You may agree after reading the Wikipedia page. I know it as a wadi, which I think is the Arabic term for it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi). In the Netherlands the term wadi is also used for man-made depressions in grassy areas of housing estates to store surplus rainwater during and after rainfalls. See http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_(infiltratievoorziening) and http://www.helden.nl/nl/html/algemeen/gemeenteloketten/balies/milieuafval/water/afkoppelen/afkoppelen.asp (one page down under the line Het water stroomt) for uses of this in the Netherlands. IMHO these are also useful to tag. My proposal is to use something like waterway=wadi for this, and have it applied to ways and areas. I'm also not too fond of a seasonal tag for this. Wadi's are quote common features in arid regions. Suggested rendering is a dotted line or a hatched area. That's how paper maps also display them. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] How is the upgrade going
I'm not on IRC, so I've got no idea, but anyone how the upgrade is going so far? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How is the upgrade going
Claudius wrote: Am 19.04.2009 18:37, Jonas Krückel (John07): Maarten Deen schrieb: I'm not on IRC, so I've got no idea, but anyone how the upgrade is going so far? firefishy about 2h ago on twitter: migrating API 0.6 database - phase 5 (i started at the wrong number): re-creating consistent current tables. No major problems yet. Here's the twitter-link: http://twitter.com/firefishy1 Thanks for that link. I was searching on the twitter site but I couldn't find any direct link. I came to believe that you had to register and log in to see any twitter messages. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] IMPORTANT - OSM API upgrade - Upgrade finished
Ben Laenen wrote: The server is now back into a usable state, if you want to start mapping again. Little warning though: relations are completely broken with Potlatch. Don't do anything with relations in there until it's fixed or you may completely destroy existing relations. In fact I think it's safer to not use Potlatch at all for now because you even can't see if you might break something... This is all a myth sent out by the anti-potlatch people /funny On a serious note: I assume most users don't read the mailinglists. If it is such a large problem, editting with potlatch should be disabled for as long as this is not fixed. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS logger
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:25:29AM +0200, Torsten Mohr wrote: can anybody give me a hint on a GPS logger? I'd just like to track the position on SD card. It would be great if the battery would last for a week or even longer. That should also be much cheaper than e.g. Garmin GPS devices. BTW: there is a list of GPS devices (loggers, handhelds and others) at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews, which also includes information on storage types. Some even have small reviews at the bottom of the page. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS logger
OJ W wrote: The NaviGPS isn't ideal if you're away from a source of power, since its internal battery lasts about 1 day, and you can't just put spare batteries into it. It might be possible to get somewhere with a USB power-pack to recharge it overnight (that's what I used for a 1-week trek, which meant constantly feeding batteries into the usb-recharging-gadget to try and keep the NaviGPS' internal battery charged - not very efficient) There are power-plug type chargers with USB connection. Just look for USB charger on the internet. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps of Denmark for download to Garmin devices
Lambertus wrote: Splitter tries to automatically determine the maximum tile size for a specific area but the data in that area is giving Splitter false clues. This might be caused by e.g. a combination of many POI's but few roads. Not to diminish your work on that front, but I find the tilelayout on your site very strange. Of course it is a work of the splitter, but I would opt for a manual layout, guided by an initial automated process. IMHO the strategy that the Mapsource tiles use is much more logical. Take one big tile, if that has too many nodes, split it in half horizontally, if that has too many nodes split it in half vertically... repeat until you have a sufficient small amount of nodes. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps of Denmark for download to Garmin devices
Lambertus wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Lambertus wrote: Splitter tries to automatically determine the maximum tile size for a specific area but the data in that area is giving Splitter false clues. This might be caused by e.g. a combination of many POI's but few roads. Not to diminish your work on that front, but I find the tilelayout on your site very strange. Of course it is a work of the splitter, but I would opt for a manual layout, guided by an initial automated process. Please forgive me for relying on the automated Splitter layout mechanism as I have no intention to manually divide the world into 500 tiles (317 America + 182 Europe/Asia/Africa/Oceania currently). Optimizing the tiles would result in even more, so you'd be talking about e.g 750 tiles. I'm certainly not complaining about your work. It's the reason why I bought a Garmin Nüvi and not a TomTom. Needless to say: patches welcome ofcourse. The definition files for Splitter are: - http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/america.list - http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/eurasia.list IMHO the strategy that the Mapsource tiles use is much more logical. Take one big tile, if that has too many nodes, split it in half horizontally, if that has too many nodes split it in half vertically... repeat until you have a sufficient small amount of nodes. This strategy is afaik exactly what Splitter does. Then it does it in a strange way. I'm sure you've noticed that the edges of the tiles don't line up by just a few 1/100th of a degree in a lot of places. That is inconsistent with a strategy of dividing a tile in half if it has too many nodes. E.g. tiles 63240113 and 63240116. One has a north border of 51.679688, the other 51.635742. And then two tiles further east, 63240120 has a north border of 52.679688 again. BTW: have you seen that Mapsource draws the maps as overlapping? I've attached a screenshot of how Mapsource displays maps 63240105 (yellow), 63240175 (blue, continuing to the top) and 63240179 (green). They all overlap eachother. According to their definitions, they should not overlap, but mapsource apparently disagrees. Any idea why that is? Maarten inline: OSMmapsource.png___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] barrier=tool_booth also for automated toll cameras?
Is it ok to use barrier=toll_booth for portals over the road with cameras for automated toll collection, like the ones used for LKW Maut (HGV toll) in Germany? To me, toll_booth indicates a physical barrier, and a portal is no barrier. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Xapi and version attribute
Is it possible that in the Xapi servers, the version attribute is only present in nodes that have been changed after the 0.6 transition? If I download data from Xapi, it is missing in most nodes, except for those edited after 2009-04-28 (in my dataset). I think this is quite an important issue as the 0.6 api will not accept uploads without a version. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Stephan Plepelits wrote: On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:41:43AM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: name=Bergstrasse How do we know if the tag name is German ? Well, because it's a geo db and we know where the element is. Make the live of contributors easy and let software working hard for us. Yes, we know where an element is. But how do we know what is the language in that part of the planet? Am I supposed to maintain a separate database with this knowledge? Which are the countries with german language? - Germany (ok, that's easy) - Austria (people who don't confuse it with Austrlia should know) - Switzerland (but not in all parts) - Some villages in Brazil I suppose - In Trannsylvania it might have been relevant, but the German population decreased in the last century - Eastern part of Belgium. But for roadnames, I do not see the point in using a different language than the one on the sign. If I tell someone to go to the Mountainroad in Vienna, then they will probably end up in Wien, Austria, but where the *** is that Mountainroad? It's not to be found on any sign or map. Better ask a local... Mountainroad? Never heard of it. For place names I see a use, as different countries have been naming foreign cities in their own langauge, but for minor features like roads I don't see the use. But even so: I would opt to use the local name in the name tag and use name:xx for names in foreign languages for people to render them as they please. And I thought that that convention was already used. It is at least for the Dutch carnaval map (that's a map where most of the cities names are rendered in the local name as used during carnaval) http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=10lat=51.45lon=5.71layers=0B0F That still does not solve completely the problem in dual-language areas like Brussels, but there both local names are in the name tag (as both local names are on street signs). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Tal wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But for roadnames, I do not see the point in using a different language than the one on the sign. If I tell someone to go to the Mountainroad in Vienna, then they will probably end up in Wien, Austria, but where the *** is that Mountainroad? It's not to be found on any sign or map. Better ask a local... Mountainroad? Never heard of it. Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? No, not really. Will I be able to know where I'm going using that map? Will any name match a name that I will encounter on the street? Of course, for me as a European it would make some sense to have a map with European script, in stead of Hebrew, Greek, Cyrillic, Arabian, ... etc. so that I can pronounce the names, but it would not make sense to have the names translated to my language because probably nobody will speak my language. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Ben Laenen wrote: So I'd say the problem is pretty easy to solve for street names: * Either there's on official language and the street name shouldn't be translated at all, even if you want a map in a different language. So just take the name tag. * Either there are more languages on the street sign, in which case you tag with all the name:xx for each language there is on the sign. So take the name:xx you want, or if your preferred language isn't there, also take the name tag. And tag all those names in the name tag. Otherwise you will have to pick a name to display, or alternativly render all tiles with dual (triple? quadruple?) name overlays. Basically what I'm in favour of is put whatever is on the sign in the name tag. In Brussels, both names are on the sign, so both names go in the name tag. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Languages
Tal wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? name:xx is only for the names on the street sign (the official names, and locals will often know them) And suppose I just mapped, as I really did, several streets with no street signs at all. These streets have names, they are mentioned in local maps, and you can send letters to that street addresses. Are you saying that I should not tag these street names just because they do not have a street sign? I hope you do understand that it's not the street sign as such, but the official name which is supposed to be in the name tag. Of course an absence of a street sign does not mean that the street has no name or should not be tagged with a name. Another thing, old streets signs in Tel-Aviv also had Arabic script. Newer signs, which gradually replace the old onces, generally do not contain Arabic (that probably depend on the area of the city). So one should map a street in 3 languages (he,ar,en) now, and when the city replaces the corresponding sign, one should go back and delete that name:ar? Depends on what the official name is. And with other alphabets it is also a question what name:en should be. Should it be a literal translation to english, or should it be the local name, but written in European alphabet? Same goes for Cyrillic alphabet. When I look around, I see roads tagged in name:en with the russian name, in European script. I think in these situations name:en should be the local name in European alphabet. This is different from what I was saying before, but I think this is a different situation. I understand that name:xx is mainly for what is on the street signs, but this is only because the relevant names in all the relevant languages are usually on a nearby street sign. When they are not, that rule no longer applies. name:xx is IMHO not mainly for street signs. At least if you speak of name:xx for use as a literal translation to other languages (the Bergstraße - Mountain road example) it has little or no use in street signs, except in multilingual places where the street signs show multiple languages. It has more use in place names. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post SOTM: Mapping Party and Accommodation in Germany
Nick Whitelegg wrote: Secondly (and apologies for being off topic) I have a couple of questions about accommodation and travel in Germany. In the UK (as you may know) there is bed and breakfast accommodation in private houses, typically costing £20-40 a night. Is there similar style accommodation in Germany and is it bookable via the web? Pension is the German equivalent to BB. Looking for pension+deutschland on Google gives a few search sites, but looking for pension+cityname will also give you pensions in that area. Thirdly, is there some sort of equivalent for Inter Rail for over 25s which allows you unlimited rail travel in all, or selected countries of, Europe for two weeks? Interrail has been available for 26+ for a few years. A global pass for 10 days (to be used within 22 days) is 359, 22 days is 469. http://www.interrail.net/english/index.php is a startpage, but they quote rather high prices. It may be better to look further, or buy at NS-Hispeed in Amsterdam when you are there (not entirely certain if that is possible for a non-resident). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to manage GPX files?
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:50:04 +1100, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: JOSM also seems to be very slow when you have a largeish area loaded. enlarge your Java VM eg java -Xms1536m -Xmx1536m -jar /usr/share/josm/josm.jar Is it just me or is there a limit to the size of the Java VM you can enter in Windows XP? I've had on separate occasions had to lower the limit to something like 1300 because it just wouldn't run. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
