Re: [OSM-talk-be] Routeplanner
From the landing page: Het routenetwerk op deze site is met zorg samengesteld door Jan Kelder. Klopt er iets niet? Meld 't dan aan hem opjkel...@home.nljkel...@home.nl?subject=Fietsroutenetwerk (Delen van) deze planner mogen niet hergebruikt worden zonder toestemming van de rechthebbenden, te weten Jan Kelder (de gegevens van het routenetwerk) en JaVaWa GPS-tools (de planner zelf). Bepaalde informatie en technieken zijn afkomstig van derden welke hieronder vermeld zijn; informatie over de gebruiksrechten zijn via de gelinkte sites te vinden. Het gebruik van deze planner is geheel voor eigen risico; er kunnen geen rechten aan ontleend worden. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Er is nu een routeplanner voor het fietsnetwerk in Nederland, alsook voor 2 wandelnetwerken daar: http://planner.gps.nl/ Het is me niet duidelijk of enkel de achtergrond van OSM komt of ook de knooppunten data. There is a new planning tool for the cycling networks in The Netherlands. It is also available for 2 walking networks in Holland. http://planner.gps.nl It's not clear to me at this moment whether OSM is only used for the background or also for the network data m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-us] Chapter Board Elections
Hi talk-us, Here's a brief update from the Chapter Board on the upcoming elections. As you know, the board is elected on a one year mandate. Our term ends on October 13 of this year. This is still a little while away, but we'd like all of you to think about the next year of the OSM US Chapter, and who should be on the board to represent you. Perhaps you are thinking of yourself? You should be! Being on the board does not require superhero skills, just a dedication to OpenStreetMap in the United States and a determination to put your ideas into action. If you want to nominate yourself for a position on the board, head over to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2013and add yourself. It helps a lot if you write a brief manifesto, outlining why you want to be on the board and what you would aim to accomplish. This will help voters make an informed choice. We have more voting members than ever before (thanks in part to the membership drives around the previous SOTM US conferences) so the upcoming elections should be interesting and important! We will continue to follow up with more details about the elections as they emerge. In the mean time, don't hesitate to voice your questions or concerns here or at bo...@openstreetmap.us. On behalf of the OSM US chapter board, -- Martijn van Exel President http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Chapter Board Elections
Good question. I'll see if we can send out a renewal notice to those with expired memberships. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.orgwrote: We have more voting members than ever before (thanks in part to the membership drives around the previous SOTM US conferences) so the upcoming elections should be interesting and important! How does one check their membership status? I can't find it anywhere, and I can't remember if I'm current... d. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] converting .osm to a particular shapefile schema
Yea, it's osmium, and I have been enjoying osmjs, it's a great tool for fast OSM analysis with versatile output options, for the poor rest of us who can't code in C++. Recommended! On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: With osmosis there comes a little utility called osmjs You mean Osmium, right? With osmosis there comes a little utility called osmjs ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Duplicate Roads - Question from the forum
The first way http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/155337190 should be a route relation from what I can see, not a way. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote: On 07/18/2013 09:16 PM, Gilbert Hersschens wrote: Strange. The duplicate set of nodes and ways is not clickable. In JOSM ? If so it's easier if you filter out the regular road using josm selection filters. __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-us] Mappy hour!!
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/97eaf99c408d60d65e404525841c579500d23912?authuser=0eid=113331273824393211883hl=en -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering
Let me take this opportunity to sollicit another round of feedback on http://maproulette.org/relationpages/ This is still updated every 4 hours. It needs a pretty index page, better filter options. I prefer it if you just file an issue at https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages/issues Martijn On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Also, do you guys think for the PA Turnpike XXX routes, that the network tag for them should be US:PA:Turnpike (also for the mainline PA Turnpike relation and NE Extension)? That's how I've been handling the Oklahoma situation: US:OK:Turnpike. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Edit-a-thon promotion
Hey all, I found out about NeighborLand today and am using it as one of the channels to promote the SLC edit-a-thon -- https://neighborland.com/ideas/salt-lake-city-to-improve-openstreetmap Perhaps it's useful for you as well, either for promoting a local edit-a-thon or just to let people know about your local OSM group. At least the people on there are somehow concerned with what's happening around them, so they might be a good target demographic for your next mapping party or mappy hour! Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] games
Skobbler had a fun address hunter game, http://www.addresshunter.net/ Don't know if it's still maintained, but it was a lot of fun to play. I remember it worked in a mobile browser. I mentioned it in an old blog post (which also has some screenshots) http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/openstreetmap-usability-converting-more-sign-ups-to-active-contributors/ On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.comwrote: Can people point me to any mapping events organized as a competitive game? Could be online or in-person. Thanks, Alyssa. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Flyers
Ben, Prima idee! Twee dingen om even na te kijken wat mij betreft. Ten eerste zal een mailtje aan talk-be@ worden gebounced als men niet eerst inschrijft. Ten tweede, let op dat de kaart mooi afdrukt in hoge resolutie. Wat er fraai uitziet op het schem kan knullig aandoen op papier wanneer de afbeelding niet de juiste (hoge) resolutie heeft. Ik kijk uit naar het resultaat! Martijn 2013/7/2 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com (In dutch because it's about the dutch-lanuage OSM-flyers :-) ) Hallo, Ik ga waarschijnlijk deze flyers laten afdrukken om eventueel te kunnen uitdelen op events/conferenties/hackweekends/etc... Ik heb ze dit weekend aangepast en heb nu de laatste versie op GitHub geplaatst: http://github.com/xivk/osm-flyer-dutch Jullie zouden mij een enorm plezier doen als jullie dit eens nakijken, commentaar op geven en te spell-checken! Ik zal zien hoeveel budget ik heb en hoeveel ik er daarmee kan afdrukken. Als jullie er nodig hebben, laat maar weten. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Flyers
Is het forum actief in België? Dat zou een laagdrempelige manier kunnen zijn. Je kunt in elk geval de berichten lezen zonder in te schrijven, alhoewel je voor het plaatsen van een bericht wel een inschrijving nodig hebt. Anders weet ik ook niet zo gauw een beter alternatief voor Belgen (of Nederlanders) als 'eerste halte' voor contact met de community. help.osm.orgis interessant, maar engelstalig en gericht op concrete vragen en antwoorden, niet op discussie en kennismaken. 2013/7/2 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Hallo, Goei punt over de mailinglijst! Zijn er andere suggesties over wat we op die flyer kunnen zetten voor beginnende mappers die hulp/contact willen? We hebben geen website voor osm-be. Het is ook belangrijk voor sommige mensen om geholpen te worden in de eigen taal. Ik heb mijn best gedaan hoge resolutie-versies te krijgen van bepaalde regio's. Ik zal eerst een paar proefdrukken doen alvorens er een paar honderd te laten drukken! :-) Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk 2013/7/2 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Ben, Prima idee! Twee dingen om even na te kijken wat mij betreft. Ten eerste zal een mailtje aan talk-be@ worden gebounced als men niet eerst inschrijft. Ten tweede, let op dat de kaart mooi afdrukt in hoge resolutie. Wat er fraai uitziet op het schem kan knullig aandoen op papier wanneer de afbeelding niet de juiste (hoge) resolutie heeft. Ik kijk uit naar het resultaat! Martijn 2013/7/2 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com (In dutch because it's about the dutch-lanuage OSM-flyers :-) ) Hallo, Ik ga waarschijnlijk deze flyers laten afdrukken om eventueel te kunnen uitdelen op events/conferenties/hackweekends/etc... Ik heb ze dit weekend aangepast en heb nu de laatste versie op GitHub geplaatst: http://github.com/xivk/osm-flyer-dutch Jullie zouden mij een enorm plezier doen als jullie dit eens nakijken, commentaar op geven en te spell-checken! Ik zal zien hoeveel budget ik heb en hoeveel ik er daarmee kan afdrukken. Als jullie er nodig hebben, laat maar weten. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Flyers
Goed idee, maar uitsluitend als daar ook een levend(ig)e community van OpenStreetMappers aanwezig is. Wij gebruiken in de VS vrij actief Google+ (tot onvrede van sommigen, maar je kunt niet iedereen tevreden stellen). Elke twee weken hebben we bijvoorbeeld een Hangout waar iedereen welkom is. Een goede gelegenheid voor nieuwelingen om kennis te maken. )Indien ze een Google+ account hebben.) Een eigen website (hoe rudimentair ook) kan enorm behulpzaam zijn in dit geval, al was het maar om mensen door te verwijzen naar externe bronnen. 2013/7/2 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com Misschien best om via de gekende sociale netwerken te gaan, deze hebben de laagste drempel en kunnen zeer goed dienen voor discussies. On 2 Jul 2013 19:43, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Is het forum actief in België? Dat zou een laagdrempelige manier kunnen zijn. Je kunt in elk geval de berichten lezen zonder in te schrijven, alhoewel je voor het plaatsen van een bericht wel een inschrijving nodig hebt. Anders weet ik ook niet zo gauw een beter alternatief voor Belgen (of Nederlanders) als 'eerste halte' voor contact met de community. help.osm.org is interessant, maar engelstalig en gericht op concrete vragen en antwoorden, niet op discussie en kennismaken. 2013/7/2 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com Hallo, Goei punt over de mailinglijst! Zijn er andere suggesties over wat we op die flyer kunnen zetten voor beginnende mappers die hulp/contact willen? We hebben geen website voor osm-be. Het is ook belangrijk voor sommige mensen om geholpen te worden in de eigen taal. Ik heb mijn best gedaan hoge resolutie-versies te krijgen van bepaalde regio's. Ik zal eerst een paar proefdrukken doen alvorens er een paar honderd te laten drukken! :-) Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk 2013/7/2 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Ben, Prima idee! Twee dingen om even na te kijken wat mij betreft. Ten eerste zal een mailtje aan talk-be@ worden gebounced als men niet eerst inschrijft. Ten tweede, let op dat de kaart mooi afdrukt in hoge resolutie. Wat er fraai uitziet op het schem kan knullig aandoen op papier wanneer de afbeelding niet de juiste (hoge) resolutie heeft. Ik kijk uit naar het resultaat! Martijn 2013/7/2 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com (In dutch because it's about the dutch-lanuage OSM-flyers :-) ) Hallo, Ik ga waarschijnlijk deze flyers laten afdrukken om eventueel te kunnen uitdelen op events/conferenties/hackweekends/etc... Ik heb ze dit weekend aangepast en heb nu de laatste versie op GitHub geplaatst: http://github.com/xivk/osm-flyer-dutch Jullie zouden mij een enorm plezier doen als jullie dit eens nakijken, commentaar op geven en te spell-checken! Ik zal zien hoeveel budget ik heb en hoeveel ik er daarmee kan afdrukken. Als jullie er nodig hebben, laat maar weten. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-us] Mappy Hour
It's that Monday again! Virtual Mappy Hour tonight. Be there or be shape=square. https://plus.google.com/events/c5lg5p742h9v8gu1jkp8n9hkkig -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Bridge naming
Hi all, Thinking about bridge naming. Usually, a bridge will just have the same name as the ways surrounding it. In those cases, the name= tag on the bridge should just be the same as the name= tag on the connecting ways, right? Here's an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/172208150 On the other end of the spectrum, there's iconic bridges that everyone knows by their specific name, like the Brooklyn Bridge or the Golden Gate Bridge. These both have the specific bridge name as the name= tag on the corresponding way(s): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/122660450 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/52477381 There are actually several approaches suggested on the Bridge wiki on how to tag bridge names[1]. The above cases represent the first approach: using the name tag. This may not be appropriate everywhere, however: if the road running across the bridge has a street name, wouldn't it be more appropriate to reserve the name= tag for the street name and put the bridge name in a name_1 or bridge:name tag? (The wiki suggests this in approach #2. There is also an approach using bridge / tunnel relations. I am not a big fan of that one myself). Disadvantage of using a separate tag for bridge names is that they won't get rendered on the default map, as far as I know. (Though that can be changed.) The advantage is that the road itself maintains consistent naming, in concordance with what I feel is the proper use of the name tag - namely to reflect the official (signposted) name of the street. How do you all feel about this? Bridge name on separate tag where the road has a name itself or not? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge - see 'How to map' -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour
Steve, I understand your concern, believe me, I do. I too want public OSM events to be as inclusive as possible. We were actually just talking about alternatives during the mappy hour (for different reasons) and the conclusion for now was that there is not a mature alternative available yet that would allow us to communicate in a similar fashion. In the mean time, if you happen upon a promising candidate, please feel free to make a suggestion at any time. Best Martijn On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: ** It's that Monday again! Virtual Mappy Hour tonight. Be there or be shape=square. https://plus.google.com/events/c5lg5p742h9v8gu1jkp8n9hkkig I would like to, but I cannot agree to Google's Terms of Service. Notably, I agree to give certain rights to contributions of mine to OpenStreetMap, but I cannot agree to give to Google everything Google characterizes as My Content in a Google Hangout. So, I may lurk, but I will not participate. I know this has been raised as an issue here before, but are we any closer to answering: Is there an online (audio/video) venue which has less onerous Terms of Service than Google's? A way to technologically solve a delightfully impromptu meeting like this without using a corporate host that insists upon taking from us everything we discuss within its digital domain? SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering
Thanks for the update, Toby. I am definitely excited about this. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help move this forward! On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: For those interested in highway shields: Phil, Ian and myself put some more time in on getting shields working on the OSM-US server last week. We actually got things mostly working but did run into a brick wall. Unfortunately postgres 8.4 doesn't support how the image data is being handled. The fix is to upgrade to a newer version of postgres however that is a slightly complicated matter. Ian is planning some hardware upgrades for the server in the near future which will alleviate some of the issues. So as of now we are waiting on the server changes/upgrades to happen before we start rendering shields. But the good news is I actually got an instance up and running on a VM I have been using here at home. So it is definitely possible! Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations
But that would not apply to the Interstate network, which otherwise has no 'children', right? If the modifier paradigm also applies to State Routes, then there would be the possibility of confusion between US:UT:Future as a future state route and US:UT:Future as a county highway in 'Future County'. I guess it is imaginable. Not likely, but imaginable. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I prefer the modifier proposal, since it prevents Future from being confused with a county level network. On Jun 24, 2013 11:16 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Later tonight, I'm planning on splitting up the relations for the following Interstates (I-26, I-73, I-74) in North Carolina to separate the segments of said Interstates into normal and the parts that are posted as Future. (will also update the ref tags on the ways since they are still being used too) Now, the Future ones will only be for segments that have signage clearly stating they are Future Interstates. I'm not going to be doing anything like this for ones signed as Future Interstate Corridors. The signage has to be like the following to qualify (blame different NCDOT divisions for the different styles): I-26: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/NC/I-26/Img_2043s.jpg I-73: http://goo.gl/maps/G0qOG I-74: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/NC/I-74/P1030940s.jpg I-840: http://goo.gl/maps/K20Hs Now, I'm going to initially use the following to tag the Future segments inside of relations: network=US:I:Future However, somebody else suggested this: network=US:I modifier=Future Which do you guys think would be the better way to go? I can always change the relation tags later once we all agree on a proper tagging scheme for these types of Interstates that aren't true Interstates just yet. -James (rickmastfan67) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations
I prefer your proposal, I find it more aesthetically pleasing. From a developer's perspective, it's one less separate tag to read and parse. No big fundamental objections to doing it the other way, however. As long as we arrive at one convention and stick with it. Martijn On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Later tonight, I'm planning on splitting up the relations for the following Interstates (I-26, I-73, I-74) in North Carolina to separate the segments of said Interstates into normal and the parts that are posted as Future. (will also update the ref tags on the ways since they are still being used too) Now, the Future ones will only be for segments that have signage clearly stating they are Future Interstates. I'm not going to be doing anything like this for ones signed as Future Interstate Corridors. The signage has to be like the following to qualify (blame different NCDOT divisions for the different styles): I-26: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/NC/I-26/Img_2043s.jpg I-73: http://goo.gl/maps/G0qOG I-74: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/NC/I-74/P1030940s.jpg I-840: http://goo.gl/maps/K20Hs Now, I'm going to initially use the following to tag the Future segments inside of relations: network=US:I:Future However, somebody else suggested this: network=US:I modifier=Future Which do you guys think would be the better way to go? I can always change the relation tags later once we all agree on a proper tagging scheme for these types of Interstates that aren't true Interstates just yet. -James (rickmastfan67) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Route relation pages
Hi, A few of us were talking about setting up custom highway shield rendering on the US tile server earlier this week. Because this rendering relies heavily on route relations (rather than ref tags on the way, as the default mapnik stylesheet does) we need a better way to track the status of numbered route relations. The wiki pages are a PITA to maintain and thus not very reliable. So I spent a little time on pages that always show the current status of US numbered route relations, plus some handy links to relation tools. See for example the interstate relations page here: http://maproulette.org/relationpages/interstates.html There is no nice index page yet, for now you have to look for your state of interest in here: http://maproulette.org/relationpages/ There are pages for each state, for the US routes, and for the Interstates. Code (pretty messy) is on github, here: https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages - if you want to help out and make this more useful, fork away. The pages are currently being refreshed every four hours. This could be increased. Let me know what you think, how this could be improved, and so on. -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Following up on this as a reminder, let's get together at 5PM Pacific / 8PM Eastern to see how we can make this happen. Again, I am willing to put in time, but I will need help. I prefer a Google hangout but IRC works for me as well. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.comwrote: I did spend some time trying to set up Phil's code myself for eventual deployment to the osm-us server. I got a good chunk of the way there but ran into some problems. I'll see if I can put some more time into it now that I'm home again. Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Wondering if there may be a better way to collaborate on route maintenance, a way to see if routes are being maintained / created per area, and by whom... Oh wait, that would be the groups feature we are working on[1]. [1] https://github.com/osmlab/datadashboard/issues/1 and https://github.com/osmlab/openstreetmap-website/tree/groups-sketch On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if you guys are using US:KS for the network, which would fit the pattern or not? I ask because on the way's ref tags, some people are correctly using KS, but others are just using K. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, I'm guessing interstates and US routes are mostly done. The things that might be missing is bannered routes (truck, business, etc). I suspect that state highways are going to be a patchwork. I'm pretty sure I've got most of the major and a good number of minor Kansas highways done. This wiki page should fairly accurately reflect reality: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
I'm pretty confident (but with G+ you never know) that this is the event link: https://plus.google.com/events/casn33o1v25faad4jvocqdu1jg4 Info on the actual hangout link should appear there shortly before we start. Martijn On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: It's US:TX:FM for FM roads, and US:TX:RM for RM roads. There may be little to no overlap between RM and FM, and they may serve the same purpose, but I see no need to go through them all and change all of them to one network. They are different networks according to the state of Texas. On Jun 19, 2013 12:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Curious if the network for RM and FM is consistently US:TX:FM for both, since they're both part of the same network. On Jun 19, 2013 10:52 AM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately most of Texas has been done, but unfortunately the FM/RM roads haven't been completed and there are quite a lot of them. I made a Mapcraft to help add relations to them all: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/269 I've made a little progress in the Texas Panhandle but we definitely need more people to help out if it's gonna get done. On Jun 19, 2013 7:39 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) I'm working on Oklahoma right now and keeping it documented. Progress has been slow since I'm not satisfied in just slapping down relations, I'm checking each highway for continuity and connectivity as I go along. I've been going somewhat sequentially but if I come across a state highway I know goes through but things refuse to route down it while I'm working, I'll go through and fine-tooth-comb it when I get back (as I'm doing with OK 48 right now). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Richard - we were discussing this topic during the mappy hour yesterday and came to the same conclusion! We should have a shields style. What needs to be done? I am willing to put in time but can't connect all the dots myself. I will loop in Ian and see if we can get this running. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Oh there you are Ian :) Well I guess I am stepping up but I will need help! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Richard - we were discussing this topic during the mappy hour yesterday and came to the same conclusion! We should have a shields style. What needs to be done? I am willing to put in time but can't connect all the dots myself. I will loop in Ian and see if we can get this running. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I did spend some time trying to set up Phil's code myself for eventual deployment to the osm-us server. I got a good chunk of the way there but ran into some problems. I'll see if I can put some more time into it now that I'm home again. Toby On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
A related question - do we have a clear idea of route relation completeness in the US? Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations This look pretty well organized, but I know how wikis can be deceiving like that. Also, how is the situation on the state level? I notice that for some states, there are no State Route relation pages. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway_Relations#See_also ) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Great. I am just catching up on SOTM US talks and watching yours. Enjoying it a lot! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org [2013-06-18 10:40 -0600]: Perhaps we can get together on IRC sometime soon and see what would need to be done. I can't make tonight but tomorrow early evening (like, 6PM MDT) would work. Ian, Phil, Toby, are you around then? That's 8pm for me, which might work. Depending on other stuff I have going on that evening, I might not be available until 8:30 or so (EDT). (Wednesday's my only free evening this week, so if it doesn't work I won't be available until Saturday sometime.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared
Hi, Frederik, Thanks for the compare contrast and I am happy you have enjoyed SOTM US. I am very happy you could make it and that you got a chance to (re-)connect with members of the US and international community. I have attended a FOSSGIS or two and can relate to your experience. They are very well attended, very professionally run. High quality talks, on average a little more technology-/developer-oriented - as are the attendees, I have a feeling. Serge - agreed the sprint day spaces were perhaps not ideal, but I think we got a lot out of them nonetheless. The turnout was amazing. It is hard to get a good space to allow for breakouts etc for so many people while on a budget. I think given the constraints you did a great job organizing this! So thank you! And point taken re: the lightning talks. It was a tough call with so many good submissions and we wanted to keep the # of tracks down to two. Next year, I want to re-introduce them for sure. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik, Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints. I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them. First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a hack day, I don't blame you, for two reasons, but that I hope this changes in the future. 1. OSM does not have institutional experience with sprints It was evident to me that many OSMers were interested in the sprints, but had only attendeded hack days, so to them, the terms were synonymous. They are not. A sprint is far more organized, more like BoF sessions going on, each with their own space. Imagine if a conference tried to have every BoF going on simultaneously in one space at the same time. This wouldn't work, and so what we had at the event was the equivalent. 2. There were not sufficient resources were not put into the sprints Running sprints is expensive. It requires multiple rooms, or a very large room with lots of room for groups to work independently of one another, out of each others way In addition, I had expected that we would have a session for lightening talks, as we'd had in previous years. Lightening talks are key to getting sprints going, as it gives the opportunity for sprint organizers to talk about their project and lay out the goals for the sprints (which are very result-oriented). It was a surprise to me that we didn't have lightening talks, and by the time I found out, it was too late to change the situation, and so there wasn't any coordinated efforts around the sprints. Lastly, the number of days we were sprinting changed from two, to one, back to two, and the information about the sprints changed on the website. This lead to a lot of confusion in folks' mind. The feedback I received has been very positive on this topic, though, with more developers coming together than we had ever had before at a single OSM event (roughly 10% of attendees attended one or both sprint days). There is clear willingness by the community to work on challenging technical issues. I am hopeful that given the amount of interest, that sprints will be featured next year, and will be given proper resources. In addition, we should re-introduce the lightening talks, and bring up the sprints, and sprint coordination, at the opening ceremony, and again at a closing ceremony (which we also didn't have this year). I'll be doing my best to make sure this happens next year so that we move towards a more successful sprint in 2014. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] ref tags
Hi all,
I wanted to get an opinion on the right place for 'ref' tags on numbered
routes.
From what I understand, osm2pgsql and the downstream rendering process uses
the ref tags on the way object to render highway 'shields'.
The following example corroborates this. Consider this (long) way:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/13649057
See how this segment has no 'shields' on the map because the way itself has
no ref tag:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.5419lon=-89.4744zoom=13layers=M
Even though the way is part of the properly tagged relation
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/23246
I see two issues here:
1) Information already present in the relation object being duplicated on
the way to satisfy the renderer
2) Incomplete coverage of ref information on ways
I don't think we can solve 1) in the short term. There are likely many,
many numbered route networks in the world that are poorly covered by
relations, because the renderer does not encourage it, because relations
were introduced after a lot of numbered routes were already tagged before
the arrival of relations, because the wiki is ambiguous, perhaps other
reasons.
There are perhaps a few thousand ways in the U.S. that are part of a
numbered route, yet do not have ref tags on the way. My question is: how
should we deal with these?
My proposal is to 'fill the gaps' by manually tagging these ways using the
existing conventions for route relation ref tagging ('US 98', 'I 20', 'MS
467', etc.) wherever this information can be derived from an existing route
relation. We have folks here at Telenav willing to spend some cycles on
this, but I want to see if this is a sane approach before we do anything.
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Re: [Talk-us] Parking rendering
I agree this should ideally be addressed at the data level. If all parking nodes had some capacity / access information, the renderer could prioritize for larger public parking when zooming out, for example. And entering every strip of street parking spots as parking in OSM does not make sense to me. As it is, it's probably better to have mappers being exposed to this 'over-parking' in some areas, so that we actually have this discussion. Whether that exposure should be on the main map or on a separate data dashboard is a non-issue until we actually have these data dashboards ;) Martijn On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: (I switched to talk-us for this reply because it doesn't touch on import issues) I don't think it's so much a bug in the stylesheet as much as a bug in the world we're trying to map. Many cities simply have excessive amounts of parking and that shows up on the map. This is partially (though not entirely) a US problem, and while we can argue the issues around parking in general, the map clutter is due to a combination of rendering issues and other problems. For example, in the Washington, DC area, there are many small, narrow parking areas which are in reality just street parking that has been improperly imported. I suspect that if we examine many areas where parking is so cluttered, we will find some combination of rendering issues and data issues. The data issues will need addressing, then the rendering problems are likely going to be fairly solvable. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
I missed the quattroshapes talk, and did not get to talk to Aaron about you are here. I am now convinced (and also excited) that there's better ways to do this than duplicating this effort in OSM. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Eric Brelsford ebrelsf...@gmail.comwrote: * quattroshapes http://quattroshapes.com/, and a talkhttp://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68099836Kelso and Blackman gave about it last weekend at SOTMUS. * you are here https://youarehere.spum.org/, which is a bit different but has a similar intent. eric On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: David Blackman and Nathaniel Kelso et al. have worked tirelessly on building tools to make border polygons and tools around them. Let's use those tools for this sort of stuff and use the resulting shapes when rendering OSM data. I'm not familiar with these people or the tools you mention. May we have a pointer or examples? Thanks. SteveA California __**_ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Videos of State of the Map US are up!
Yea, at least that used to be the case in regular vimeo. Can't see it on vimeopro. I'll see what we can do about that. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm fairly sure Vimeo, when you would log in, would allow you to download videos that has permissions set to do so. - Serge On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: On 12.06.13 03:20, Alex Barth wrote: We have just finished video uploads from this weekend’s State of the Map US sessions. Great, thank you! Is there a way to download video files? /al ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
I agree with the advantage of polygons when performing queries of the type 'show me all bakeries in this neighborhood'. This will however only work if that neighborhood is clearly defined in terms of boundaries. If we agree that this is not the case, we are just going to be creating confusion and perhaps even edit wars when we settle on polygons for neighborhoods. A node location for a neighborhood is something locals should be able to relatively easily agree on. I think we can see much faster progress proceeding along that avenue. I think that we should show great restraint with importing any more boundary polygons. They make mapping more difficult and confusing, for example because they often overlap with roads. They do not represent surveyable / verifiable data in many cases, which makes for dead data, which we have enough of in the US. Back to my original question, rephrased slightly - would there be a legal impediment to use Zillow or Geonames data to derive neighborhood point data to increase coverage in OSM? Why I care - because neighborhood data represents just what makes OSM unique - local knowledge. Why use external sources then you say? Well, the point would be to make it easy for locals to add neighborhood data to OSM, by offering a data starting point. Martijn On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote: Your reply really doesn't address what William is saying, which is that neighbourhood boundaries are subjective. I think we all agree that neighbourhoods are useful, but they're worse than political boundaries in terms of being unsurveyable. I agree that most neighborhood boundaries are subjective. Of the cities I've lived in, some neighborhoods are clearly define, usually by natural or man made artifacts, others are definitely fluid. When importing addresses into Seattle we considered adding a neighborhood tag to each address or building node but decided against it. Administrative boundaries seemed like a better plan. After this discussion I'm not longer so certain. So what are the pro and cons for importing boundaries? Cons: Neighborhood boundaries are fluid Most neighborhood boundaries can not be surveyed 3rd party data users and overlay their own boundary polygons Pros: Helpful when doing queries Search results show neighborhood boundaries Irregularly shaped neighborhoods better depicted by a polygon than a node Personally I don't have any objection if someone wanted to import neighborhood boundaries for their city. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The answer to #1 is Yes, neighborhood data is useful. The answer to #2 is No, for the reasons outlined. These are *your* answer these questions. I disagree with your conclusion on #2, for reasons outlined. -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: 1. How can someone survey a neighborhood? It seems that in many cases, neighborhoods are subjective, and people may disagree on where it is, and both be right. How does your proposal address this issue? It's the same as named place nodes. It's something that is important as a geographical reference point, yet not strictly defined, but locals can easily agree on where it should be. 2. If I understand your proposal correctly, you are saying that your solution is that nodes, rather than polygons, offer a concept of fuzzyness, that solves some of the subjectiveness issues. But if you know the data is fuzzy then isn't it also, by definition, then a bit wrong as well, since we can't make radius assumptions about neighborhoods, and our scale of neighborhood changes so much depending on where we're talking about? I'm not proposing a solution, I'm just contributing to the discussion with the hopes of reaching a consensus on how to do this, if at all. The answer to your question is no, the data would not be 'wrong', because it's what local mappers agree on. 3. We already have issues with neighborhoods messing up the geocoding problems in OSM. If we have lots of new users who are adding nodes, won't this just get worse? I don't know of those issues so I can't really answer that. 4. Why not agree to use another service for this data other than OSM? Or conversely, why not use an existing dataset other than OSM, which already contains neighborhoods, such as the Flickr dataset As far as I am concerned, that could be an option, but the fact is that there is a place=neighbourhood tag and people are going to use it, and other people are going to look at the data and go: meh OSM has poor neighborhood coverage, let's do something about that - and then we'll have this discussion again. -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Bing Streetside
Hi, Someone asked me recently if we can use Bing's Street Side imagery for deriving data to improve OSM. (I did not even know it existed, it does[1], it looks a little weird but it would definitely be usable for our purposes.) Just for the record: the answer is no, according to the license Bing / MS granted us[2]. Unless there is an update on this I don't know about. [1] http://www.microsoft.com/maps/streetside.aspx [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/d/d8/Bing_license.pdf -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
Hiya, OSM has pretty poor neighborhood coverage in the US. We have around 1100 place=neighbo[u]rhood. Geonames has ten times that at 11,000 (feature class P.PPLX - not sure if all of those are neighborhoods) and Zillow has 7,000. Both these data sets are provided under (different) CC licenses. Could we use either Geonames or Zillow to drive improvement to neighborhood name coverage in OSM? I am not proposing an import, but a local MapRoulette challenge might work where people with local knowledge accept / reject proposed neighborhood points, or something along those lines. Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
That's basically what I am proposing. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/giu/2013, at 21:07, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Often, I can't determine the subdivision boundary from either Bing or a survey; I'd need to see an organization map which would be of questionable license. or ask the people that live there, would that be feasible? cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
I think this is a problem more people have. In the GNIS import for populated places, a lot of apartment buildings and trailer parks are grouped together with 'real' populated places while they are really separate things for all intents and purposes. But that may also have a lot to do with lack of resolution of GNIS. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 6/11/2013 2:58 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: OSM has pretty poor neighborhood coverage in the US. We have around 1100 place=neighbo[u]rhood. Geonames has ten times that at 11,000 (feature class P.PPLX - not sure if all of those are neighborhoods) and Zillow has 7,000. The TIGER import brought in many subdivisions as Hamlets, so the some information is there but is not necessarily the best form. I'm not clear myself on how to tag the classic US subdivision and apartment complex. I try to change these to areas when possible so that Nominatim-style searches doesn't identify nearby POIs outside the boundary as belonging to the nearest neighborhood. Often, I can't determine the subdivision boundary from either Bing or a survey; I'd need to see an organization map which would be of questionable license. __**_ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
Russ -- Yes, MR2 will have the ability to work on a specific location (likely to be specified as a point + radius, or bbox). What do you mean by correlating place values, correlating with what? Rural areas are not as important for neighborhood coverage I would say. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Russell Deffner russ...@russelldeffnerconsulting.com wrote: I think this is a good idea but have some suggested considerations. ** ** If I remember correctly, MapRoulette 2 has the ability to localize the challenge, correct? If/when is that available I think that would be a great challenge, just a simple “verify this is the proper neighborhood name and appropriate value”. However, I have not seen a real good reference for correlating the place values in the US (although I haven’t looked); does someone know of one? or maybe a good first step is to try and create one. Also I don’t think this will get us anywhere near complete as we get into rural areas we don’t know and that don’t have local mappers (and those using MR), so we may need to further do some sort of ‘challenge’ (that may not work with MR) to ‘import’/cross-reference another data set. ** ** =Russ russdeffner on OSM ** ** *From:* Martijn van Exel [mailto:m...@rtijn.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:58 PM *To:* OSM US Talk *Subject:* [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow ** ** Hiya, ** ** OSM has pretty poor neighborhood coverage in the US. We have around 1100 place=neighbo[u]rhood. Geonames has ten times that at 11,000 (feature class P.PPLX - not sure if all of those are neighborhoods) and Zillow has 7,000. Both these data sets are provided under (different) CC licenses. Could we use either Geonames or Zillow to drive improvement to neighborhood name coverage in OSM? I am not proposing an import, but a local MapRoulette challenge might work where people with local knowledge accept / reject proposed neighborhood points, or something along those lines. ** ** Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ** ** -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
Yea, I think this is where sources like Geonames and Zillow, which are built (to an extent) based on actual perceived names rather than official ones, could be so valuable - and why GNIS populated places are detrimental to OSM map quality, at least in many urban areas. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: My house is technically in a subdivision named Murray Heights, but I have only seen that name on the deed, and on maps. In the 21 years I have lived here, I have never heard anyone use that name. The subdivision was built in the late 1950s, and, unlike some other local subdivisions, there aren't any permanent signs in place as you enter the subdivision. According to the post office, my house is in the Woodbine postal district, named after a small town that was subsequently swallowed up by the expansion of Nashville. However, when people refer to the Woodbine area, they usually mean the approximate area of the old town, several miles from my house. I usually refer to my neighborhood as Antioch, the name of another small town that has expanded outward, even though the official border of Antioch, according to the post office, is about 300 feet from my house. Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On 11/giu/2013, at 21:07, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Often, I can't determine the subdivision boundary from either Bing or a survey; I'd need to see an organization map which would be of questionable license. or ask the people that live there, would that be feasible? Sometimes subdivisions map cleanly to neighborhoods. But not always. In the USA aspirational neighborhoods are common, if not the rule. As a neighborhood gets trendy more and more people at the edges (and more and more Realtors) latch on to that name. The Zillow data is a very rigid idea of what a neighborhood is. Walk three blocks away from Noe Valley and ask what neighborhood you are in, and you're likely to get four answers. Capturing that diversity would produce a far more useful neighborhood guide than just importing Zillow. -- Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
As for Bryce's observation - Zillow does not have overlapping polygons as far as I know, so it is by its nature sort of rigid - but then again this is probably what they require for their use case, as there would be no way to disambiguate. Interesting in this context is the much-quoted example of flickr alpha shapes [1] where flickr tags are used to create (overlapping) polygons of vernacular place names. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Yea, I think this is where sources like Geonames and Zillow, which are built (to an extent) based on actual perceived names rather than official ones, could be so valuable - and why GNIS populated places are detrimental to OSM map quality, at least in many urban areas. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: My house is technically in a subdivision named Murray Heights, but I have only seen that name on the deed, and on maps. In the 21 years I have lived here, I have never heard anyone use that name. The subdivision was built in the late 1950s, and, unlike some other local subdivisions, there aren't any permanent signs in place as you enter the subdivision. According to the post office, my house is in the Woodbine postal district, named after a small town that was subsequently swallowed up by the expansion of Nashville. However, when people refer to the Woodbine area, they usually mean the approximate area of the old town, several miles from my house. I usually refer to my neighborhood as Antioch, the name of another small town that has expanded outward, even though the official border of Antioch, according to the post office, is about 300 feet from my house. Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On 11/giu/2013, at 21:07, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Often, I can't determine the subdivision boundary from either Bing or a survey; I'd need to see an organization map which would be of questionable license. or ask the people that live there, would that be feasible? Sometimes subdivisions map cleanly to neighborhoods. But not always. In the USA aspirational neighborhoods are common, if not the rule. As a neighborhood gets trendy more and more people at the edges (and more and more Realtors) latch on to that name. The Zillow data is a very rigid idea of what a neighborhood is. Walk three blocks away from Noe Valley and ask what neighborhood you are in, and you're likely to get four answers. Capturing that diversity would produce a far more useful neighborhood guide than just importing Zillow. -- Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow
I think point features are definitely the way to go here - areas are nice but have the drawback of being to rigid a delineation, as well as being more difficult to map and maintain. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: As for Bryce's observation - Zillow does not have overlapping polygons as far as I know, so it is by its nature sort of rigid - but then again this is probably what they require for their use case, as there would be no way to disambiguate. That said, neighborhoods are known to be fuzzy concepts, and getting a person close to the right one has value. The zillow data for example could be brought in as point features. While it seems a shame, it would remove that whole issue of boundaries. Often (not always, but often) the neighborhood does in fact have a well defined central core. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality
As already noted, quality is in the eye of the beholder. That said, there are some objective quality indicators such as positional accuracy, completeness, resolution. I summarized this in a paper a few years ago from another source, where I also introduced the notion of 'crowd quality' in an academic attempt to capture specific quality considerations for crowdsourced geospatial data: http://www.giscience2010.org/pdfs/paper_213.pdf Not much of an academic, I later picked this up in a more pragmatic manner to create the notion of data temperature I presented at SOTM US 2011: http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/taking-the-temperature-of-local-openstreetmap-communities/ Someone else mentioned we need more mappers. There is truth to that but we also need to care about building out the community: how do we reduce the churn rate, or in other words how to keep mappers involved and motivated to continue mapping? how do we nurture the power mappers, those 5% who create 80% or more of the map data - especially in light of the large amounts of new mappers coming in? and finally how do we make local communities work? Latter is super important because great local data (transit, businesses, addresses) is key to the usefulness (hey, another way of thinking about quality!) of OSM. Great local data is something you only get if folks who know a place, folks with different interests and from different walks of life, work on the map together. Currently that happens in too few places. I think one of the most important keys to making good OSM data great lies in figuring out how to build strong local communities. In Europe, we have that down.It all started with that. Get together and map. Have fun, figure it out together. While traveling in Germany recently, I did not have to go online once to find my way, my hotel, restaurant, bus stop etc. The map is *that good*. Sure, there are more mappers per sqm there. But it is just as much about people getting together, motivating each other, collaborating on more complex mapping tasks (stuff like transit relations[1]). We have a long way to go still in the US, and we may need a different approach than Europe. I think I just wrote half of one of my SOTM US talk. Thanks Frederic ;) hth Martijn [1] http://www.overpass-api.de/api/sketch-line?network=VBBref=M1operator= On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 5/31/13 3:15 PM, Frederic Julien wrote: Dear all, I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts. What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve OSM data quality? That could be processes, tools, methods, training, peer review, attributes, etc. at one level, i agree with Clifford Snow's comment that first you need to define data quality. at another level, i think that we can talk about the following: 1) consistency in tagging. editor improvements, better documentation, better training materials can all help with this 2) improved processes and controls for data import (this is work that is happening on the US import committee). there are a lot of imports of the past that suffer from Quality Control issues, and lots of imports that never should have been done because of problems with the data quality. 3) in the US (and you did ask on talk-us), identifying and dealing with the shaky Tiger data from the 2007 tiger import. some of this has been done, but it's an ongoing effort and is one of those things that is easier to say than it is to do richard __**_ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] highway=primary, area=yes, leisure=recreation_ground?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29696644 What gives? Looks like an undesired / undesirable side effect of a MassGIS import. Requires further investigation? Doesn't look like it's rendered, but it looks like it has very little ground truth to it either, apart from the weird tagging. -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap
Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who has put in countless hours developing and testing and deploying! I've watched this project grow and it has come a long, long way. Some reads: http://mashable.com/2013/05/07/openstreetmap/ http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/7/4306500/openstreetmap-id-editor-from-mapbox-launches http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/07/openstreetmap-to-give-google-maps-a-run-for-its-money-by-launching-its-new-id-editor/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/07/mapbox-unveils-id-editor-for-openstreetmap/ http://www.theatlanticcities.com/technology/2013/05/cutting-edge-map-tool-turns-anyone-cartographer/5510/ On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM, tmcw t...@macwright.org wrote: Hi all! Today, we've tagged iD editor v1.0.0 and integrated it into openstreetmap.org, thanks to Tom Hughes, Ansis Brammanis, John Firebaugh, Saman Bemel-Benrud, Richard Fairhurst, Alex Barth, and many many others. It's been a long 7 months of development which we've chronicled on http://mapbox.com/osmdev/, and before launch more than 8,000 changesets were made with iD. We're really excited for this to reach many more people and improve really rapidly. So try out iD if you haven't yet, and make some edits! As with any project, there are rough edges that we'll be refining in the coming weeks, many of which are already reported and some of which you should report. We're tracking bugs and features at https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues?state=open and if you'd like to contribute, we have a great guide at https://github.com/systemed/iD/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md Cheers! Tom MacWright -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/iD-Editor-live-on-OpenStreetMap-tp5760012.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap
No, I left that one to you :) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 7 May 2013 18:06, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Congratulations and many thanks to everyone who has put in countless hours developing and testing and deploying! I've watched this project grow and it has come a long, long way. Some reads: http://mashable.com/2013/05/07/openstreetmap/ http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/7/4306500/openstreetmap-id-editor-from-mapbox-launches http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/07/openstreetmap-to-give-google-maps-a-run-for-its-money-by-launching-its-new-id-editor/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/07/mapbox-unveils-id-editor-for-openstreetmap/ http://www.theatlanticcities.com/technology/2013/05/cutting-edge-map-tool-turns-anyone-cartographer/5510/ You forgot the most important blog ;-) http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/05/07/openstreetmap-launches-all-new-easy-map-editor-and-announces-funding-appeal/ / Grant -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] Mappy hour
Now! https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/38469b9ccea5b82b30ac9bcd6a8d72709af43058?authuser=0eid=113331273824393211883hl=en -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US list for room shares
Also, I found that the rates go up quite a bit after the 10th. The WWDC effect no doubt. Added my details, my room is a double queen, I'd be happy to share. On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I've started a table at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013#Room_share for SOTM-US room shares. Anyone considering a room share should plan it soon because the Holiday Inn Civic Center special SOTM-US rate requires booking by the 10th. Other hotels don't have a hard deadline, but rates seem to be increasing. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Expansion Bot Complete
On 04/25/2013 02:31 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Hi all, The TIGER expansion bot is complete. Great, that is excellent news! Congratulations. Finally no more Ct, Rd, Pl, Ave, St, etc. I am looking forward to ensuing import-related discussions about lessons learned from this. -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Amazing maps
http://www.quora.com/Maps/What-are-some-amazing-maps? Someone should tell the story of OpenStreetMap here :) Other than that some of the map examples are really interesting. -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed small import of UTA bus stops
On 04/21/2013 06:47 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, During the edit-a-thon today I finally got around to working on preparing a relatively small import of bus stop point data for the UTA service area Try to guess my topic of interest. :-) So, Martijn, tell me about their license. :-) If I've found the appropriate page and license, [1] and if I'm reading it correctly, this data in not suitable for inclusion in OpenStreetMap, because of the license. Specifically: * an appropriate statement, reflecting this disclaimer be used on all products using SGID geospatial data as a source, and that a currency date and stewardship credit for the data be included on the map; and [1] http://gis.utah.gov/about/data-policies/ Good question. gis.utah,gov is not the owner of this data though, they merely act as a redistributor. UTA's license is here, although I am not quite sure it also pertains to their data: http://developer.rideuta.com/TermsOfUse.aspx Paragraph 5 states: 'UTA grants You a limited, revocable license to use, reproduce, and redistribute UTA’s Web Services API (“Data”) in accordance with the terms of this section. You must present the Data with the following legend, prominently displayed: Route and departure data provided by permission of UTA unless otherwise agreed by UTA in writing.' [...] I will get clarification from their legal team that our intended use is in concordance with our license. Martijn -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Proposed small import of UTA bus stops
Hi all, During the edit-a-thon today I finally got around to working on preparing a relatively small import of bus stop point data for the UTA service area (comprising a half dozen counties along the Utah Wasatch Front). There are ~6450 bus stops in the data I got from my contact at UTA. This data is being released to the public through the Utah GIS data portal [1], but the data I got directly from UTA is more recent (Dec 2012). Data processing consisted of removing empty and irrelevant fields, and sanitizing the fields that are relevant. I kept: COUNTY -- is_in:county CITY -- is_in:city ACCESS -- wheelchair = yes|limited|no BENCH -- bench = yes|no LOCATIONID -- uta:stop_id I checked the existing bus stop data and there are 92 existing nodes. I have saved these as an OSM file and intend to manually conflate these after the fact. This will mean most existing bus stop nodes will be removed, I spot checked a dozen and so far did not find a any added value. There are a few non-UTA stops (Airport parking lot shuttle stops etc) that will be retained. The source data I received can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyxdhf9hlpuc9z8/BusStops_UTA_shp.zip The processed data can be found in OSM XML format here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v3c0tsgfhlc6izx/busstops_uta.osm Future updates will be handled using the persistent uta:stop_id. A new stops file is released around once a year. Light rail stops are captured in a separate dataset that I do not intend to import, as these stops and stations are mostly already captured in greater detail in OSM. I am running this by all of you because I have not really done any external data imports before. This is a relatively small one, but I would like your opinion on the following: * Is this data import properly prepared? * If not, which steps should I revisit / add and how? * Do you recommend using a separate account for uploading the external data? Looking forward to your feedback. Martijn [1] http://gis.utah.gov/data/sgid-transportation/transit/ -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] openstreetmap.us coming back up
Hi all, After more than a day of downtime caused by uncooperative domain hosts, openstreetmap.us is coming back up - web site and services hosted on the domain, including the TIGER overlay tiles. The new DNS records may take a little while to propagate, so please be patient if you still experience problems. Now that I'm on it: new on openstreetmap.us is a post announcing SOTM US discounts for the top 50 mappers in the US: http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/04/special-invitation-to-top-mappers/ so if you're a heavy mapper, check the lists and see if you qualify for discounted SOTM US registration! Also, you have a few more days to submit for a scholarship to attend SOTM US, so if you feel you should attend but can't due to financial constraints, do submit a scholarship application. Details are here: http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/04/scholarships-state-of-the-map-us/ On behalf of the chapter board, I apologize for the openstreetmap.us downtime and assure you we are taking steps to prevent this from happening again. -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette update
On 04/11/2013 05:43 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 12.04.2013 01:11, Martijn van Exel wrote [1] See my blog post for caveats: https://oegeo.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/maproulette-challenge-lanecounts/ Wait, there's a pretty odd piece of advice in there: do not include merge lanes? I would clearly count them towards the lanes value, and have used this interpretation as the basis of my mapping and coding so far (nothing important, but others may work from the same assumption). There are several places in the wiki supporting my interpretation. Perhaps most obviously, this example on Key:turn: http://wiki.osm.org/Key:turn#Motorway_with_links_and_destinations [..] We currently do not have a well-established lane tagging system, in spite of all the (partially contradictory) information on the wiki around lanes. So my proposal is to keep it simple at first, asking folks to tag simple lane counts for the main travel lanes as a start. My hope is that from doing that, a discussion about a sensible, comprehensive yet comprehensible lane tagging system will arise. (In my opinion, none of the wiki pages about lanes represent such a system.) Based on the outcome of that, we can revisit specific situations in a more targeted MR challenge. -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Party
That's great to hear! Putting CalU on the map sounds like a good objective; except for one building there is no trace of CalU on OSM as yet... Is this your first mapping party? Let us know if you need anything to help make it a success. If you need inspiration for things to map on a campus, have a look at some well-mapped campuses around the U.S. Here's our local campus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.76435lon=-111.84401zoom=16layers=M Makes me think, what are some of the best mapped campuses in the U.S.? -- Martijn van Exel On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Mueller, Thomas muel...@calu.edu wrote: Hello My name is Tom Mueller and I am a GIS professor at California University of Pennsylvania. I am also a new member of the OSM – US. My class will be having our Cal U Mapping Party next week to add Cal U’s main campus to Open Street Map. Thank you Tom Mueller Thomas R. Mueller, Ph.D., GISP Advisor: Geography Major with GIS and Emergency Management Concentration Co - Director: Pennsylvania View Department of Earth Sciences, California University of Pennsylvania A man never gets to this station in life without being helped, aided, shoved, pushed and prodded to do better. - Johnny Unitas ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] MapRoulette update
Hi folks, MapRoulette was way overdue for an update. And it arrived! The new challenge is adding lane count (lanes=...) to motorway ways. This is a little trickier than the connectivity fixes[1], so I am curious what you think about this one. If it works well, we will work our way down to trunks and primaries, if not, we'll move on to something else. The geographical scope for this challenge is currently North America. If you have ideas for challenges, please add them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges - keeping in mind that challenges should be: 1) machine-detectable 2) easy to fix without local knowledge 3) only involve one or two OSM nodes/ways. In the background, we are working on a whole new version of MapRoulette which will boast much-requested features like choosing an area to work on, choosing between multiple challenges, and more. [1] See my blog post for caveats: https://oegeo.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/maproulette-challenge-lanecounts/ Happy mapping, -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] MapRoulette update
Hi folks, MapRoulette was way overdue for an update. And it arrived! The new challenge is adding lane count (lanes=...) to motorway ways. This is a little trickier than the connectivity fixes[1], so I am curious what you think about this one. If it works well, we will work our way down to trunks and primaries, if not, we'll move on to something else. The geographical scope for this challenge is currently North America. If you have ideas for challenges, please add them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges - keeping in mind that challenges should be: 1) machine-detectable 2) easy to fix without local knowledge 3) only involve one or two OSM nodes/ways. In the background, we are working on a whole new version of MapRoulette which will boast much-requested features like choosing an area to work on, choosing between multiple challenges, and more. [1] See my blog post for caveats: https://oegeo.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/maproulette-challenge-lanecounts/ Happy mapping, -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy Hour tonight
Hey mappers! It's mappy hour time again tonight. In about 45 minutes. Head over here for the hangout link around 8:30 Eastern / 5:30 Pacific: https://plus.google.com/events/ch8vpg6b71afebelh246pl76a0s See you there, -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy hour link
See you there! https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/aeaa5832b2a0b74e9923f1c40c2cbf312686db41?authuser=0eid=113331273824393211883hl=en -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] OSM Monster
OSM data turned into a monster! http://vimeo.com/62468031 -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Design] Banners on the Front Page
Hi, On 03/23/2013 11:21 AM, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi All, I saw the request for a banner [1] and replied via email as I am not on the design mailing list. For transparency here is my reply: === start === There is a wider issue (and don't mean to be a spoil sport) that local events using the SotM brand could lead to a weakening of the main SotM. I cannot think of any big conferences that allow their brand to be used almost identically for local events. The exception that comes to my mind is TEDx events [2] but they have a clear communication that they are independent. We have been doing this for a number of years now, with SOTM EU, US, Scotland - and I think it has been working really well, actually. FOSS4G is another conference closer to our field that has local events that share the same name, with success. Now for OSM (given the crowd-source structure) you could say that the main SotM is independent too, with other people suggesting main SotM is becoming less relevant. Either way, I think some clearer communication would be useful. Who is suggesting that the main SOTM is becoming less relevant? What are their arguments? What do you suggest we make clearer? SOTM US (an event I am helping to organize) profiles itself clearly as a conference targeted primarily at the U.S. This does not mean that we do not welcome participation from abroad - quite the contrary - but we don't aim to be the global community conference that SOTM is, and in my view, will continue to be. [..] Now before this turns into an argument about my use of the word brand, I would like to add that I am all for local OSM groups. Also I think Richard's idea is a great one. Particularly the idea to use GeoIP etc. to find what country the user is from. Serve the message for that country. Adding to that, can I suggest that if no local banner is found then my suggestion of a generic attend an event banner be explored. I like that idea too, but that's something to follow up on on design@ -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Next Welcome WG meeting
Hi all, We are reconvening with the Welcome WG tomorrow, but at a different time slot that may work better for folks in Europe: four hours later at 1900Z. Same place. Hope to see you there! -- Martijn van Exel On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, We will have our next Welcome WG meeting tomorrow at 1500Z on #osm-strategic. If you're interested in improving the welcome experience for new mappers, you should join! Lately we have been discussing best practices to message new mappers. Do you want to work on this? Do you have other ideas and some time to spend to help execute them? Please join us! More information -- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group We also have our own mailing list: -- http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/welcomewg Best, -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Next Welcome WG meeting
Hi all, We will have our next Welcome WG meeting tomorrow at 1500Z on #osm-strategic. If you're interested in improving the welcome experience for new mappers, you should join! Lately we have been discussing best practices to message new mappers. Do you want to work on this? Do you have other ideas and some time to spend to help execute them? Please join us! More information -- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group We also have our own mailing list: -- http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/welcomewg Best, -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State Of The Map US session proposals welcome starting....now!
Hi all, We have just launched the CFP for State Of The Map US 2013 (San Francisco, June 8-9). What does that mean? Well, basically that you have a few weeks to submit your ideas for a session (talk, workshop, ...) for SOTM US 2013 and help shape the next iteration of this great event! More details are on the openstreetmap.us blog[1]. If you have any questions, let me know. I also started a wiki page for the conference where you can add your name if you know you're going, thinking about it, want to share a room, have a room to share, etc[2]. Best, Martijn [1] http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/sotmus-2013-sessions/ [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013 -- Martijn van Exel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] State Of The Map US session proposals welcome starting....now!
Hi all, We have just launched the CFP for State Of The Map US 2013 (San Francisco, June 8-9). What does that mean? Well, basically that you have a few weeks to submit your ideas for a session (talk, workshop, ...) for SOTM US 2013 and help shape the next iteration of this great event! More details are on the openstreetmap.us blog[1]. If you have any questions, let me know. I also started a wiki page for the conference where you can add your name if you know you're going, thinking about it, want to share a room, have a room to share, etc[2]. Best, Martijn [1] http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/sotmus-2013-sessions/ [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013 -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Spring Edit-a-thon in the US, April 20-21 2013
I am definitely planning on hosting in SLC this time - if I am around. -- Martijn van Exel On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:56 AM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Please join us for a weekend of mapping April 20-21, 2013, from 11AM to 7PM (or longer) local time each day. Details can be found at http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/april-spring-editathon/, and this post will be edited as locations are scheduled. Best, -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnanovak/ OSM ID:oldtopos OSM Heat Map: http://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?oldtopos OSM Edit Stats:http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?oldtopos ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Spring Edit-a-thon in the US, April 20-21 2013
I am definitely planning on hosting in SLC this time - if I am around. -- Martijn van Exel On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:56 AM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Please join us for a weekend of mapping April 20-21, 2013, from 11AM to 7PM (or longer) local time each day. Details can be found at http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/april-spring-editathon/, and this post will be edited as locations are scheduled. Best, -- John Novak 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676) http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnanovak/ OSM ID:oldtopos OSM Heat Map: http://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?oldtopos OSM Edit Stats:http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?oldtopos ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Virtual Mappy Hour on Map Roulette starting now, please join us
I keep having connectivity issues! Sorry folks… I would have loved to talk about MapRoulette some more. I can kind of hear that you are still talking - no idea what about though... -- Martijn van Exel On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.us/2013/03/march-11-virtual-mappy-hour-lets-talk-maproulette/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Reversible lanes
I'm looking into center turn lanes and reversible lanes and such oddities, and am slowly but surely submerging into the quicksand that is the wiki. There are many proposals and pages dedicated to lanes in general an reversible lanes in particular, in varying stages of completion: On reversible (express) lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reversible_Lanes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/two_way_lane On lanes in general: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dlane On suicide lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Turn_Lanes Anyone who can parse all that info into one consistent lane tagging scheme that also covers the two things I would really want to have a convenient, *usable* tagging scheme for, will receive two 90+ proof drinks or a deep fried snack of his/her choice at the upcoming SOTM US. So can we come up with a proposal that works for us? I am not after some complex schema that works everywhere but is too complex to use for 95% of mappers. Just something like: * Center turn lane: tag way with center_turn_lane=yes/true/1 (example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/172683358) * Reversible Express Lane: highway=motorway, oneway=reversible, lanes=*, forward=Mo-Fr 00:00-10:00, reverse=Mo-Fr 11:00-00:00 (example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/13517026 source: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Northwest/King/ExpressLanes/I5map.htm) What do you say? -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!
Hi all - I promised to collect all ideas and suggestions on the wiki but I decided to take a different approach for collecting new MapRoulette ideas that makes my life a lot easier. If you have an idea for a MapRoulette challenge, please head over to https://github.com/mvexel/remapatron/issues?state=open and add them there. Of course we can continue to discuss MR-related topics here, all I am asking is for folks to add their ideas for enhancements / new challenges to GitHub themselves. Thanks and thanks for all the feedback as well! Martijn On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding the layer/bridge/tunnel, if you chose this one. Can you add those tags if present to the maproulette info page, maybe name and type as well. Perhaps with different color coded highlights for the two crossing ways. The idea being to be able to see what is wrong at a glance before loading the area to edit. As some of this is not visual, this would also give the roulette user a chance to see if the problem was fixed or a false positive before opening in the editor. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Likewise for highways crossing waterways; there are plenty of places where there is neither a bridge nor tunnel where the two intersect. More subtle would be also looking for layer problems where two ways cross and there is a bridge or tunnel, but there are no layer tags. --ceyockey -Original Message- From: James Mast Sent: Jan 10, 2013 8:16 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Cc: m...@rtijn.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Happy New Year from MapRoulette! Martijn, I have an idea for a new MapRoulette project and want your opinion on the idea. How about highways that intersect motorways (w/ or without a point there)? (snipped content) -James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [talk-au] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Cool, getting my iPhone next week, so can't wait to try it out! Is it listed on the OSM wiki yet? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I'd like to highly recommend a brand-new, native, and free* iOS OSM editor: Go Map!! https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=592990211mt=8 The author is a member of the Seattle OSM community, so I'm biased, but I think it rocks. Regards, Jeff * as in free beer! -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Cool, getting my iPhone next week, so can't wait to try it out! Is it listed on the OSM wiki yet? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I'd like to highly recommend a brand-new, native, and free* iOS OSM editor: Go Map!! https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=592990211mt=8 The author is a member of the Seattle OSM community, so I'm biased, but I think it rocks. Regards, Jeff * as in free beer! -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-ja] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
Cool, getting my iPhone next week, so can't wait to try it out! Is it listed on the OSM wiki yet? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I'd like to highly recommend a brand-new, native, and free* iOS OSM editor: Go Map!! https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=592990211mt=8 The author is a member of the Seattle OSM community, so I'm biased, but I think it rocks. Regards, Jeff * as in free beer! -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org
I think Serge was focusing on a human-readable summary of changesets, but his code may be usable for creating a more human-friendly POI inspector. My 2¢ for taking this from good to great: * Restrict to POIs and buildings with POI-type tags. Metadata for streets is much less useful for the general public. Additionally I could envisage a nerd mode where everything-inspection would be enabled. * Only enable at zoom 16+ * Perhaps some (increased) amount of buffering so users don't have to click exactly on the POI icon. * Make it human-readable as discussed. * JOSM / Potlatch link for logged-in users. Some other unobtrusive 'I know something about this POI that's not on the map, show me how to add' link for anonymous users. Great stuff, this. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 01/21/13 11:21, Tobias Knerr wrote: Yes, indeed - from the way I imagined the POI display, it should not simply be a list of tags, but a human-friendly presentation. This includes filtering, formatting and translations from tags to human language and presentation conventions. Isn't that (tags to human-readable description) exactly what Serge (Cc as I'm not sure he's on talk) has been building recently in another context? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] paying a debt and making connections
Thanks for the encouragement. I have a half dozen folks here in SLC but growing the group has proven to be a big challenge. Ideally there'd be someone besides me who takes the lead and starts organizing stuff - it's hard to keep a cadence just by yourself, I find. That said, I'm going to plan my next SLC event right now. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, SteveCoast st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/17/2013 10:10 AM, Richard Weait wrote: I did ask, what it would take to get you to hold a local Mappy Hour in your town? That was never answered. So, I ask again, What would it take? More mappers. I've tried everything I could think of to get others interested, but have given up recently - it's all an uphill swim. Don't give up, it took over two years to get the Seattle group going :-) But.one new mapper in my area was highly motivated to contribute by the US Shields Development Server. He seems to have lost interest in more contributions while waiting for a possible real US Shields Server. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] paying a debt and making connections
There we are... http://www.meetup.com/wasatchwizardsofosm/events/100192632/ Join us for some geobeers if you're around! On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Thanks for the encouragement. I have a half dozen folks here in SLC but growing the group has proven to be a big challenge. Ideally there'd be someone besides me who takes the lead and starts organizing stuff - it's hard to keep a cadence just by yourself, I find. That said, I'm going to plan my next SLC event right now. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, SteveCoast st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/17/2013 10:10 AM, Richard Weait wrote: I did ask, what it would take to get you to hold a local Mappy Hour in your town? That was never answered. So, I ask again, What would it take? More mappers. I've tried everything I could think of to get others interested, but have given up recently - it's all an uphill swim. Don't give up, it took over two years to get the Seattle group going :-) But.one new mapper in my area was highly motivated to contribute by the US Shields Development Server. He seems to have lost interest in more contributions while waiting for a possible real US Shields Server. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Reminder: Mappy Hour tonight!
Hi all, A quick reminder that we will be continuing the emerging Mappy Hours tradition tonight at 6PM Pacific / 9PM Eastern. The Google Hangout link will be posted shortly before we start on the G+ page: https://plus.google.com/events/c5b0qntr3bt54461ev1g1tabee0 See you tonight! -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Map Roulette
People keep creating new ones ;) Makes me wonder how we can continuously monitor these errors a little more effectively. But in the mean time, we have expanded the geographical scope a little bit. Martijn On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: There are less than 200 connectivity issues to go. Who will get the final one? Clifford ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy Hour next Monday
Hi all, We're continuing the great tradition of Mappy hours into 2013 starting this Monday at 6PM pacific / 9 eastern. Here's the Google+ link where we'll post the hangout info shortly before we start. Hope to see some of you there! https://plus.google.com/events/c5b0qntr3bt54461ev1g1tabee0 Best, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!
Less, we started the connectivity challenge late November of 2012. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Holy shit. This is awesome. 70,000 connectivity errors. In how much time? Something like three months? On Jan 10, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the scope of the connectivity challenge to include Mexico and Canada, so we have over 57,000 fresh connectivity errors for you to sink your teeth into. So stop reading and start fixing, over at http://maproulette.org/! PS the next challenge is almost done, we could also do a parallel MapRoulette for that, what do you think? -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo updates
Great work Jochen! Great to see that TagInfo is being cared for so lovingly :) Martijn On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! Taginfo got a few updates. Details here: http://blog.jochentopf.com/2013-01-10-taginfo-news.html If you don't know taginfo already, have a look: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/ Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!
Less, we started the connectivity challenge late November of 2012. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Holy shit. This is awesome. 70,000 connectivity errors. In how much time? Something like three months? On Jan 10, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the scope of the connectivity challenge to include Mexico and Canada, so we have over 57,000 fresh connectivity errors for you to sink your teeth into. So stop reading and start fixing, over at http://maproulette.org/! PS the next challenge is almost done, we could also do a parallel MapRoulette for that, what do you think? -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] Welcome Working Group meeting tomorrow
Hi all, We will be picking up regular meetings for the emerging Welcome Working Group tomorrow at 1900 UTC on #osm-strategic. More info on what we're up to as well as how to join the IRC channel is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group We don't really have a set agenda or even regular members yet so if you want to help shape this please step forward and join tomorrow! Best Martijn (I accidentally sent this to talk-us, it was meant to go here in the first place.) -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!
Hi all, We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the scope of the connectivity challenge to include Mexico and Canada, so we have over 57,000 fresh connectivity errors for you to sink your teeth into. So stop reading and start fixing, over at http://maproulette.org/! PS the next challenge is almost done, we could also do a parallel MapRoulette for that, what do you think? -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] Welcome 2013 from the Welcome Working Group
Hi all, We will be picking up regular meetings for the emerging Welcome Working Group tomorrow at 1900 UTC on #osm-strategic. More info on what we're up to as well as how to join the IRC channel is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group We don't really have a set agenda or even regular members yet so if you want to help shape this please step forward and join tomorrow! Best Martijn -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!
Hi all, We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the scope of the connectivity challenge to include Mexico and Canada, so we have over 57,000 fresh connectivity errors for you to sink your teeth into. So stop reading and start fixing, over at http://maproulette.org/! PS the next challenge is almost done, we could also do a parallel MapRoulette for that, what do you think? -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenWest
Hi all, A happy new year to everyone. It looks like I have been missing out on some interesting discussions over my break. I will read up and see if I have thoughts to contribute. A bit of news from my neck of the woods: two local events that I would love to have some OpenStreetMap presence at: 1) Maps On The Hill: http://gis.utah.gov/maps-on-the-hill-2013/ on Jan 28 in Salt Lake City, Utah. 2) OpenWest conference: http://www.openwest.org on May 2-4 in Orem, Utah For 1) I will be working with a fellow local mapper to present OSM. For 2) I am not sure yet, anyone local-ish care to help out? Best, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Texas business route letter subscripts, or how I learned to stop arguing and ignore a certain user
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Sounds like yet another problem brought to us by the letters N and E, and the number 2... bingo. So it's safe to assume the business letters can stay? I don't want hours of work deleted again. They can, but there's unfortunately no guarantees that they will. From what I read I agree that the 'business' addition makes sense for the ref tag. -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20
Serge, please include me in the hangout invite as well. Martijn On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, During the OSM US Board meeting today, we discussed the new Import and Large Edit Committee. We will have it on 12/20 at 8:30pm EST on a Google Hangout, which is a format that's worked well in the past. If you're like to join the Hangout, please drop me a line. Or if you'd like to join, and Google+ is a problem, please drop me a line. Thanks, - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] Welcome Working Group meets Thursday,18:00 UTC
Hi all, The (informal, not official yet) Welcome Working Group meets every week on Thursday 1800 UTC on #osm-strategic. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group If you want to be involved in improving the welcome experience for new mappers, please join! For those who joined last week, please review the action items in the meeting log and come prepared if you can. Best, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Marketshare iPhone Google Maps Hits 10 Million Downloads in 48 Hours
We will not be able to rival Google any time soon when it comes to their integration with the search platform. That said: 1) Better data in more places. 2) Great apps that offer a real alternative to Google Maps in terms of user experience. 3) There is no step three. Or maybe there is. Add your favorite ingredient. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: iPhone Google Maps Hits 10 Million Downloads in 48 Hours http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/12/17/iphone-google-maps-hits-10-million-downloads-in-48-hours/ If they can, an open project as OSM should also be able to attract milllions of users. Does anyone know what is needed to increase market share for apps using OSM data? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20
The Hangout moderator can dial folks in on a regular phone (cell / landline). You don't need to have any Google footprint to use this function as far as I know. You just need to provide your number to Serge and he can add you at the beginning of the call. I am glad that Google offers this, because while Hangouts work great, I appreciate folks not wanting to create a footprint with Google, and this offers a way for them to participate. Martijn On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Greg, That's an interesting point. What alternatives would you suggest for virtual meetings? KD On Dec 18, 2012 8:56 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Or if you'd like to join, and Google+ is a problem, please drop me a line. I object to the use of google anything. That requires people to agree to their privacy policies in order to participate in OSM, and I think OSM should have a policy against such requirement or encouragement. (That said, I'm unlikely able to show up synchronously to things anyway.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20
Greg, It's hard to strike a balance between being as inclusive, as productive, and as budget conscious as possible. For example, the US Chapter board uses Google Hangouts extensively because we believe that this service represents a sweet spot in that balance right now. That said, we are always aware of the concerns people may have with regard to Google's terms and privacy policy, and we will always keep an open mind to alternatives. IRC does not cut it for me personally, the limitations compared to a video conference stand in the way of productivity. Martijn On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com writes: Hi Greg, That's an interesting point. What alternatives would you suggest for virtual meetings? KD I do not know of alternatives. In open source groups I participate in, it's email and IRC. At work, we pay for phone bridges (audio only), but I realize that has cost implications. From my view, Faustian bargains should be rejected, and then the best choices picked from what remains. (The existence of a useful service with bad privacy properties doesn't change how I look at the rest of the options.) I realize I'm probably an outlier, but I wanted to speak up. Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20
Looks promising. How many people can participate in a video call using this? Does it require (proprietary) plug-ins? If it meets basic functional and technical requirements (up to 10 people in a video call, no proprietary plugins required, no weird or excessive server requirements, some form of recording /logging) and someone is willing to put in the work to get it set up we should give it a try. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Brian DeRocher br...@derocher.org wrote: blink blink http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/ I hope this works as well as Apache Wave, which i was impressed with. Brian -- http://brian.derocher.org http://mappingdc.org http://about.me/brian.derocher ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Kathleen starting with community outreach for OSM-US
Kathleen, Are you aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_group ? I think the most interesting part is the User Groups wiki template, which if used on a wiki page (example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City,_Utah ) makes your local UG appear on this here map: http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de/?zoom=5lat=39.23225lon=-94.76806layers=B0TTT Also, a lot of US local groups are on meetup: http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords=openstreetmapradius=Infinity but I'm sure you're aware of that because GeoDC is on there as well ;) Good luck and let us know what you need! Martijn On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone-- I'm really excited to work more with the local OSM groups in the coming weeks and months. My first plan is to do research on what communities are already out there and figure out how OSM-US can be supporting each of you. I'm also really interested in how the different local groups might connect with each other as well back to the US Chapter itself. I'm really excited to highlight the great work that all of you are doing, and share best practices/lessons learned with other communities around the country. Like Alex said, those of you who are running a local community should expect to hear from me soon, but don't hesitate to reach out to me sooner if you want to and get the conversation started! KD On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: If you're running a local OSM community you'll probably hear soon from Kathleen (copied). Kathleen's going to start with community outreach for the OpenStreetMap US chapter. Her first goals will be to find out who's active where [1] and find good ways of featuring that on our calendar [2] and blog [3]. Showing what's going on in OSM in the US will be a great start for building more momentum here and inspire others to get out mapping. I'm sure there will be more good stuff we can do to grow and connect our communities better that we will find out in the course of her work. Kathleen's doing awesome work here in DC co-organizing the @Geo_DC meetups so I'm stoked that she is volunteering her skills for OSM-US work. Get in touch with her if you're interested in OSM community work and in general, never be shy to ask around if you'd like to start working on something in OSM but aren't quite sure where to start :) Aside from your local meetup [1], the virtual mappy hours [2] are a good place to meet more people or just drop me an email. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States [2] http://www.openstreetmap.us/calendar/ [3] http://openstreetmap.us/ Kathleen on OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KathleenLD Kathleen on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KathleenLD Alex Barth (OpenStreetMap US Secretary) http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats
With 3 5400 RPM drives in a RAID 5 I am surprised that it didn't take longer. Is this with or without table clustering? Or does osm2pgsql not include that as part of the process (as the default osmosis load script does)? On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 17.12.2012 16:19, schrieb Brian DeRocher: Frederick and all, I found your SotM presentations on OSM imports regarding disks and stats. I just completed a full planet import via osm2pgsql. Are you interested in the stats from my import? I *think* there's a wiki page about import stats, should i put them there. Brian, the wiki page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks 6.6 days seems to be very long though. SImon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] More on TIGER: Where it's likely safe to import
OK this is plain awesome. Great work Mike. One note of caution though - the title may suggest that you can just go ahead and import away, but folks would still have to follow the import guidelines and contact the OSM community at large, come up with a solid proposal and discuss that, even if there is no local community. I know it says it on the tin, but it's kind of tucked away at the bottom. Have you looked into full history planet parsing to get a fuller picture of editing history? I took a stab at full history user metrics some time ago using osmjs; https://github.com/mvexel/OSMQualityMetrics/blob/master/UserStats.js - this produces one set of metrics for the entire .osh file you feed it but it may prove useful for future work. I haven't touched this in a while but it should still work :/ On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: I pulled together some of the notes and imagery I've been posting here recently: http://www.openstreetmap.us/~migurski/green-means-go/ It's a map of 1km×1km squares covering the continental United States. Green squares show places where data imports are unlikely to interfere with community mapping. Raw data is linked at the bottom. Three things that would make this better: - Regular updates with archived older versions. - Renders for specific counties, intended for local GIS communities. - Some awareness of full planet history. The OSM-US server has data for regular updates. -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk] Welcome Working Group meeting report
Hi all, The (for now informal) Welcome Working Group met earlier today / yesterday on #osm-strategic. It was fun and useful. The purpose of this group is to retain more mappers after they sign up by providing a better welcome experience. We are not looking at the user experience of the editors, but rather at the social aspects as well as documentation. We are still figuring out what the scope should be and how to proceed, and we could use your help. We plan to meet weekly to gain and keep momentum. The next meeting will be on Dec 20 at 1800 UTC on #osm-strategic. Whether you're new at OSM yourself or a seasoned mapper with ideas and some time to spare, we'd love to see you. The WG page is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group - you can find all the details as well as reports and logs of previous meetings there. Please forward this to local lists as you deem fit appropriate. The group will communicate in English. Happy mapping, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] Welcome Working Group meeting report
Hi all, The (for now informal) Welcome Working Group met earlier today / yesterday on #osm-strategic. It was fun and useful. The purpose of this group is to retain more mappers after they sign up by providing a better welcome experience. We are not looking at the user experience of the editors, but rather at the social aspects as well as documentation. We are still figuring out what the scope should be and how to proceed, and we could use your help. We plan to meet weekly to gain and keep momentum. The next meeting will be on Dec 20 at 1800 UTC on #osm-strategic. Whether you're new at OSM yourself or a seasoned mapper with ideas and some time to spare, we'd love to see you. The WG page is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group - you can find all the details as well as reports and logs of previous meetings there. Please forward this to local lists as you deem fit appropriate. The group will communicate in English. Happy mapping, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
