Re: Interface Inconsistencies
"Indie_Dev" wrote on 22/08/2007 at 08:17:44 +1100 subject "Interface Inconsistencies" : > Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 4:45:03 PM, you wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 22:11:09 [UTC+0200] (Tuesday, August 21, >> 2007 22:11 my local time) Robert van der Hulst wrote: [...] The Bat! knows nothing about the the receiving in that program. The Bat! uses current date and set it as 'receive' date. When you retrieve (not import) messages from the archive, you retrieve all information, including receive date for each message. >>> That is not completely true. TB could extract the date from the >>> 'Received' headers in the email. For example your message has the >>> following Received headers in my message base: >> Of course, The Bat! could use last Received date form the message header, >> but as you know, this is the date when the message arrived to the server. >> When you connect to the server tomorrow, The Bat! will receive the message >> and >> write internally the tomorrow date as 'receiving' date. From this point of >> view >> all is logically correct. > uhm, er, wot? Zygmunt Wereszczynski is quite right. The "Received" column means "Received by TheBat!" and not "Received by the last mailserver". I could imagine that TheBat! adds some lines to the header of the eMail. Maybe in this form: Received: from 206.190.53.232 (EHLO mta232.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.53.232) by The Bat! (v3.xxx) UNREG(!) with POP3; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:31:20 +1100 Received: from 87.234.203.180 (EHLO thrall.0x539.de) (87.234.203.180) by mta232.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:25:29 -0700 Then, even if eMail is exported, the original date of firs receiving is still there. But for which purpose? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.99.20 (BETA) and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 7:12:53 PM, you wrote: > Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 6:34:35 PM, you wrote: >> Hello Indie_Dev, This list is TBBeta, to discuss beta versions bugs and issues. You are using the latest release version (3.99.03) and not the latest beta (3.99.20). >>> >>> I fail to see the relevance. And I consider myself to be a fairly >>> smart guy. >>> >>> I don't want to have to use a Beta version to outline problems which >>> are in the Beta as well as the general release version. >> Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: >> ,- [ ] >> | >> | TBBETA Mission statement >> | >> | The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The >> | Bat! officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For >> | general topics of a more simple nature regarding full release >> | versions, refer to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH. >> | >> | An 'officially released' beta version is one which has been >> | announced *by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of >> | changes. >> `- > Which, of course IMO, is meaningless and makes _no_ sense. Here's why: > 1. The Beta build contains the _same_ problems that plague the release > build. > 2. I don't intend to use - a largely buggy Beta (hence the term) - so > that I can get to be 'officially' allowed to post about issues which > plague both the Beta _and_ the release builds. *snip* As if by magic, this just popped up. My guess is that this 'bug' is also in the Beta as it is in the release build. http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=4910&MID=19077#message19077read.php?FID=4&TID=4910&MID=19077message19077 Please note the most recent post in that thread and note the wording. In fact, let me quote it for you. " Can anyone tell me if this problem will be looked into? Thanks." This is _exactly_ what I'm talking about. This person is neither in the Beta list nor that other list. He is posting in the forum. My guess is that the response to either avenue (this list, that list, the forum) is the same: nobody has a clue. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 7:52:21 PM, you wrote: > Hello Indie_Dev, >> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) UNREG >> >> I'm a paying customer. > Hm! I think something doesn't match. >> And if you even had any idea who I was... > I simply don't care who your are my friend. > I will insist: > - Whether you like it, or not, this list is to discuss Beta issues. > Please show some respect for the rest of list members. > - To report bugs: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php > - To suggest changes/additions, please use the Wish List (select 'The > Bat! Wishes' on the drop-down list in the top-right corner of above > page). Do me a favor OK? First, start by paying attention. Second, tone down the rhetoric. I'm not looking for a fight. I've been polite, direct and clear. Never wrote anything in a derogatory or demeaning context. By your assertion, my saying that the attachment dialog should have a 'Delete All' because there is a 'Save All' constitutes a 'change' or 'addition'. You're wrong. What I wrote has nothing to do with either, but rather my comments were designed to point out inconsistencies in those features which - btw - started out being changes & additions before the were adopted and thus implemented. The point of my email was _not_ to make wishlist suggestions or any such request. In fact, all nine items which I outlined are based on existing functionality, hence they are not 'wish list' items or changes. They are - (pay attention here) - based on _my_ opinions. I never asked you or anyone to adopt nor agree with said opinions. As such, your time is better spent _discussing_ the points which you disagree with, rather than attempting to engage me in pointless and counter-productive banter that is not only disruptive and disrespectful, but also impolite and not proper form. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 8:28:25 PM, you wrote: > Hello Marck, > Sorry, I hit Send to soon on my previous reply. and related issues. >> >> ... and here is where Indie_Dev is quite right. If he has issues that >> are not yet resolved and, therefore, relate to the current beta, > How does he know what issues are not yet resolved if, as he wrote, he > doesn't even "intend to use - a largely buggy Beta"? > I could point out other "inconsistencies", but it's time to go to bed I don't. I never said I did. And your assertion is clearly outside the scope of the discussion; which, btw, has nothing to do with 'whats fixed' but rather my - politely and in a detailed fashion - pointing out what I - personally - feel are inconsistencies in the GUI. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 8:09:58 PM, you wrote: > Hello Marck, Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: >> >> Sorry, Miguel, don't like the tone of this too much, but I do know >> English is not your first language. I also know that it's not in your >> nature to be deliberately rude. Indie_Dev does not know you so well, >> so this intervention is as much to protect you as it is to put an >> "official" POV into the mix. > Thank you for trying to 'protect' me Marck but, even in my second > language, I knew very well what I wanted to write and wrote it And when you're all grown up and experienced, you'll learn to do what I did in response to your off hand comment. I ignored it and stuck to the discussion at hand. Potshots are for school yard bullies and people who are - clearly - out of their league. Who you choose to be is entirely up to you. I know who I am and potshots are meaningless. Life's too short and I only have a pair of tits which refuse to grow any bigger than my wife's. So, I have a lot more things to worry about than potshots on a mailing list. Lets more on, shall we? -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 7:47:04 PM, you wrote: *snip* ID>> 2. I don't intend to use - a largely buggy Beta (hence the term) - > ... > Just FYI, the current beta round is a HGE bugfix cycle. The fact > is that there are many less bugs in the *current* beta than in the > actual release version. Not all beta cycles are thus, obviously, and > your caution is perfectly understandable. Just to clarify, I was not knocking the Beta, even though it is Beta. I meant that if the Beta was meant to be used in a production environment, it won't be a Beta. So, compared to the release build which works - and is designed for production - the Beta is, well, buggy as that is the nature of the beast. *snip* ID>> How you folks choose for me to report issues is, believe it or ID>> not, _not_ up to you. I can send emails, post on the forum, post ID>> on the Beta list, post on the TBUDL list or send a courier pigeon. > ... which just landed in my garden and ate my freshly planted corn > seed! Can you keep to the electronic forms of contact next time > please? LOL ID>> It shouldn't matter. What should matter is (a) whether or not you ID>> pay attention or (b) you actually acknowledge the issues and ID>> actually do something about it. > Okay - what we tend to do here is mull the issues, decide when we've > caught a live one and then one of us (lowly list members and users > that we are) scurries off to the BugTraq system to create (as > appropriate) a BugTraq or a WishList entry for the guys in the > darkened rooms with the crazed expressions to pounce upon like a > beggar upon a morsel. Only once a confirmed BugTraq entry exists (and > there are many of these) will it be assigned a programmer and the bug > be swatted. Wishlist entries have a harder time of reaching daylight > since there are other marketing pressures on RITlabs limited > resources. And a very full roster of bugs to hunt too. ...and thats the way to do it. My point was that, as far as the devs are concerned, they can do what they want. After all, its their software. In my software design, when I get wish list items or over the top suggestions that bear no relevance to my overall 'vision', I just send out a polite "uhm, no" or an impolite and hasty "...you're frigging kidding me, right. Do you want to be slapped or flogged?" response. And believe me, my Beta testers are the kind who would super glue worms to the sidewalk and film the birds getting hernias trying to pick them up. So, yes, I'm used to all manner of dissent, malcontent and well, general abuse from people who _think_ they know whats best for your software that you, the developer. The problem - and sad thing is - more often than not, they actually do know a bit more about how they think stuff should go than you the developer who is too close to tell the trees from the forest. What you do with the feedback is up to you, the developer. ID>> My guess is that (b) is the pre-requisite action given that, like ID>> every software ever written, most of the bugs and shortcomings are not ID>> found by the developers but the users. In case you were wondering, ID>> 'users' would be someone like me. > ... nay - like nearly all of us here. > Your points are well made and I (officially) support your right to > make them. *Well thanks dad (my biggest fan). How's mom doing? * God I hope everyone on the list gets my [warped and coffee-induced] brand of humor or I'm in for a serious beating any day now. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hello Marck, Sorry, I hit Send to soon on my previous reply. >>> and related issues. > > ... and here is where Indie_Dev is quite right. If he has issues that > are not yet resolved and, therefore, relate to the current beta, How does he know what issues are not yet resolved if, as he wrote, he doesn't even "intend to use - a largely buggy Beta"? I could point out other "inconsistencies", but it's time to go to bed ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hello Marck, >>> Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: > > Sorry, Miguel, don't like the tone of this too much, but I do know > English is not your first language. I also know that it's not in your > nature to be deliberately rude. Indie_Dev does not know you so well, > so this intervention is as much to protect you as it is to put an > "official" POV into the mix. Thank you for trying to 'protect' me Marck but, even in my second language, I knew very well what I wanted to write and wrote it -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hello Indie_Dev, > X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) UNREG > > I'm a paying customer. Hm! I think something doesn't match. > And if you even had any idea who I was... I simply don't care who your are my friend. I will insist: - Whether you like it, or not, this list is to discuss Beta issues. Please show some respect for the rest of list members. - To report bugs: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php - To suggest changes/additions, please use the Wish List (select 'The Bat! Wishes' on the drop-down list in the top-right corner of above page). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Dear Indie_Dev, @21-Aug-2007, 19:12 -0400 (22-Aug 00:12 here) Indie_Dev [ID] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: Time for a moderatorial step-in, I think, before the sparks turn to flames. I'm not about to wield any trouts - no list rules have been broken - I just want to clarify some stuff. ... >> Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: Sorry, Miguel, don't like the tone of this too much, but I do know English is not your first language. I also know that it's not in your nature to be deliberately rude. Indie_Dev does not know you so well, so this intervention is as much to protect you as it is to put an "official" POV into the mix. ... >> | TBBETA Mission statement >> | >> | The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The >> | Bat! officially released Beta test versions Of course - hence the name ;-). >> and related issues. ... and here is where Indie_Dev is quite right. If he has issues that are not yet resolved and, therefore, relate to the current beta, then he has a right to discuss those issues here without having to actually submit himself to the vagaries of the actual beta version itself. ... ID> Which, of course IMO, is meaningless and makes _no_ sense. Here's why: ID> 1. The Beta build contains the _same_ problems that plague the release ID> build. That's right, and if there is to be any dialog regarding new developments in the TB software, this is the only forum in town. ID> 2. I don't intend to use - a largely buggy Beta (hence the term) - ... Just FYI, the current beta round is a HGE bugfix cycle. The fact is that there are many less bugs in the *current* beta than in the actual release version. Not all beta cycles are thus, obviously, and your caution is perfectly understandable. ... ID> Get this. I'm a paying customer. ... as are we all (apart from Max, the only developer still in contact with us through this list at the present time). ID> How you folks choose for me to report issues is, believe it or ID> not, _not_ up to you. I can send emails, post on the forum, post ID> on the Beta list, post on the TBUDL list or send a courier pigeon. ... which just landed in my garden and ate my freshly planted corn seed! Can you keep to the electronic forms of contact next time please? ;-) ID> It shouldn't matter. What should matter is (a) whether or not you ID> pay attention or (b) you actually acknowledge the issues and ID> actually do something about it. Okay - what we tend to do here is mull the issues, decide when we've caught a live one and then one of us (lowly list members and users that we are) scurries off to the BugTraq system to create (as appropriate) a BugTraq or a WishList entry for the guys in the darkened rooms with the crazed expressions to pounce upon like a beggar upon a morsel. Only once a confirmed BugTraq entry exists (and there are many of these) will it be assigned a programmer and the bug be swatted. Wishlist entries have a harder time of reaching daylight since there are other marketing pressures on RITlabs limited resources. And a very full roster of bugs to hunt too. ID> My guess is that (b) is the pre-requisite action given that, like ID> every software ever written, most of the bugs and shortcomings are not ID> found by the developers but the users. In case you were wondering, ID> 'users' would be someone like me. ... nay - like nearly all of us here. Your points are well made and I (officially) support your right to make them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpf0pse6yyO2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 6:34:35 PM, you wrote: > Hello Indie_Dev, >>> This list is TBBeta, to discuss beta versions bugs and issues. You are >>> using the latest release version (3.99.03) and not the latest beta >>> (3.99.20). >> >> I fail to see the relevance. And I consider myself to be a fairly >> smart guy. >> >> I don't want to have to use a Beta version to outline problems which >> are in the Beta as well as the general release version. > Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: > ,- [ ] > | > | TBBETA Mission statement > | > | The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The > | Bat! officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For > | general topics of a more simple nature regarding full release > | versions, refer to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH. > | > | An 'officially released' beta version is one which has been > | announced *by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of > | changes. > `- Which, of course IMO, is meaningless and makes _no_ sense. Here's why: 1. The Beta build contains the _same_ problems that plague the release build. 2. I don't intend to use - a largely buggy Beta (hence the term) - so that I can get to be 'officially' allowed to post about issues which plague both the Beta _and_ the release builds. Your argument is flawed, without merit and not in the spirit of fostering and requisitioning feedback from those who can actually speak up (and out) about issues without having to succumb to fanboyism. I was polite, to the point and quite detailed in my reporting of issues. Thats because I'm a software developer and wouldn't expect any less from someone reporting to me (or one of my devs) about my software. And if you even had _any_ idea who I was or what software I develop for a living, you would know that apart from speaking from experience, my software is sold to the most unforgiving, passionate and abusively abrasive bunch this side of a customer base. Get this. I'm a paying customer. How you folks choose for me to report issues is, believe it or not, _not_ up to you. I can send emails, post on the forum, post on the Beta list, post on the TBUDL list or send a courier pigeon. It shouldn't matter. What should matter is (a) whether or not you pay attention or (b) you actually acknowledge the issues and actually do something about it. My guess is that (b) is the pre-requisite action given that, like every software ever written, most of the bugs and shortcomings are not found by the developers but the users. In case you were wondering, 'users' would be someone like me. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hello Indie_Dev, >> This list is TBBeta, to discuss beta versions bugs and issues. You are >> using the latest release version (3.99.03) and not the latest beta >> (3.99.20). > > I fail to see the relevance. And I consider myself to be a fairly > smart guy. > > I don't want to have to use a Beta version to outline problems which > are in the Beta as well as the general release version. Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: ,- [ ] | | TBBETA Mission statement | | The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The | Bat! officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For | general topics of a more simple nature regarding full release | versions, refer to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH. | | An 'officially released' beta version is one which has been | announced *by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of | changes. `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.19 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 4:45:03 PM, you wrote: > On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 22:11:09 [UTC+0200] (Tuesday, August 21, > 2007 22:11 my local time) Robert van der Hulst wrote: >>> [...] The Bat! knows nothing about the the receiving in that program. >>> The Bat! uses current date and set it as 'receive' date. >>> When you retrieve (not import) messages from the archive, you retrieve all >>> information, including receive date for each message. >> That is not completely true. TB could extract the date from the >> 'Received' headers in the email. For example your message has the >> following Received headers in my message base: > Of course, The Bat! could use last Received date form the message header, > but as you know, this is the date when the message arrived to the server. > When you connect to the server tomorrow, The Bat! will receive the message and > write internally the tomorrow date as 'receiving' date. From this point of > view > all is logically correct. uhm, er, wot? -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 4:11:09 PM, you wrote: > Hi Zygmunt, > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, at 21:52:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 21:52 where I live) > you wrote about: 'Interface Inconsistencies' >> The 'received' date is not a part of the message header, it is stored only >> in the internal database of The Bat!. So, if you import messages from other >> programs, The Bat! knows nothing about the the receiving in that program. >> The Bat! uses current date and set it as 'receive' date. >> When you retrieve (not import) messages from the archive, you retrieve all >> information, including receive date for each message. > That is not completely true. TB could extract the date from the > 'Received' headers in the email. For example your message has the > following Received headers in my message base: > Received: from thrall.0x539.de (thrall.its-toasted.org [87.234.203.181]) > by heliks.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2212) id HLKS65DD3D78 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:38 +0200 > Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org ([87.234.203.178] ident=list) > by thrall.0x539.de with esmtp (Exim 4.63) > (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > id 1INZls-0005Vt-Ar; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:12 +0200 > Received: from data.pl ([212.85.96.58] helo=v00058.home.net.pl) > by draenor.its-toasted.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1INZln-gN-3s > for tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:07 +0200 > Received: from localhost (HELO chello089077112192.chello.pl) > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@127.0.0.1) > by mail03.home.net.pl with SMTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:52:01 - > In this case TB could see that the message is received by the mail > server on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:38 +0200 Exactly. Which is what I was questioning in my previous reply. In the case of one of the emails, this is what the header looks like. But when imported, TB decided to override that and cause all manner of sorting issues by making it look like it was in fact received on the date of import (08/07) instead of the date of creation (08/96) X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: X-Imported: from Eudora by Eudora Rescue 0.7 Received: Eudora Rescue [0.7]; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:07:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:07:34 -0500 To: *censored* From: *censored* Subject: *censored* X-Attachments: *censored* Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Note that even the tool (Eudora Rescue) which I used to export my email from EudoraPro to TB, handled the dates correctly. As did TB (Thunderbird) when I created the resulting mailbox. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:52:02 PM, you wrote: > On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, at 14:19:40 [UTC-0400] (Tuesday, August 21, > 2007 20:19 my local time) Indie_Dev wrote: >> 4) After importing a batch of emails from another program (e.g. TB), >> why is the 'received' date imported incorrectly? e.g. I recently >> switched from TB to TB! and imported a ton of emails going back many >> years. So now, I have - for e.g. - a folder with emails with received >> dates of 2007 with creation dates of far back as 1996 but filtered >> in the [threaded] view of 'Today' or 'Last Week' Thats just ridiculous. > The 'received' date is not a part of the message header, it is stored only > in the internal database of The Bat!. So, if you import messages from other > programs, The Bat! knows nothing about the the receiving in that program. > The Bat! uses current date and set it as 'receive' date. > When you retrieve (not import) messages from the archive, you retrieve all > information, including receive date for each message. Yes, I am aware of that. But that still does not answer my question as to _why_ its this way. Even removing the 'received' date field doesn't do any good due to the [unconventional] internal handling of the imported emails. btw, looking at the RFC standards, thats handled incorrectly to boot. The Bat! is using 'received' improperly as it pertains to _new_ emails (from the import), even though - according to RFC standards - the 'creation date' is what should determine that specific handling. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:42:45 PM, you wrote: > Hello Indie_Dev, >> resend since first version from this morning was more than 50KB and >> the moderator hasn't approved it yet. >> >> * original * >> >> Here's the thing. There are several interface inconsistencies which >> are trivial and which IMO as a commercial software developer, >> should be addressed. > This list is TBBeta, to discuss beta versions bugs and issues. You are > using the latest release version (3.99.03) and not the latest beta > (3.99.20). I fail to see the relevance. And I consider myself to be a fairly smart guy. I don't want to have to use a Beta version to outline problems which are in the Beta as well as the general release version. Going by the rules of software development (this is the part where you take note of what I'm saying), if there is a Beta program, thats where you report issues related to _incoming_ and _future_ fixes due to issues and the like. Why? Because reporting them on the - largely ignored website forum - is tantamount to reporting it to - yet another - list which, unlike the Beta program is not geared toward fixing nor addressing issues. Even if it were; where would those fixes and issues be addressed? Thats right. In the upcoming versions which are prepped (as in 'Beta') and tested for future 'release'. So, it - obviously - makes sense to report them to the active development area (as in 'Beta') so that the developers are in fact aware of them. > Aside of that, your comments are generic. I think you should > post them in TBUDL and not here. Well, they may be generic to you, but not to me - someone looking in from the outside. More often than not, when developers are too close to their product, it is hard to see whats wrong (or right, as the case may be) with it. Especially where feedback is concerned. Bug reports are a whole different ballgame since you can only fix what you can reproduce reliably. Suggestions and the pointing out of program consistencies are usually beyond the scope [of thinking] of those close to the project. Which brings me to... Focus groups and outside testing (which is what, believe it or not, this Beta program is all about) of said software in order that 'fresh eyes' be able to see said program from a different light and not just the developer's version of tunnel vision. I have developed several commercial programs and I can guarantee you 100% that the number of people using my products probably eclipse those using The Bat! by, oh a few thousand to one. So, unlike someone just spouting off, I _do_ know what I'm talking about. What you guys do with my suggestions is clearly up to you. I don't care either way and I have nothing invested in it. I just want to help because one's investment in an email program - the most advanced and crucial form of communications of our time - is not to be taken lightly. There is a reason why all phones now come with a speakerphone, when in the past you had to look for a phone that _had_ such a feature. Its called progress based on demand. >> 1) Why is there no 'Delete All' option when you click on the >> attachment tab in the viewer page? If there are several attachments >> and you want to delete them, you have to repeat the 'Delete' action >> numerous times. God help you if some relative decides to send you a >> ton of pictures of their new baby voted most likely to be the next >> anti-Christ. That means in order to delete 24 pictures of the next >> anti-Christ, you have to do a total of (24*3) clicks. That, to me, is >> patently unacceptable. > You only need 3 clicks. One to select the first attachment, a second one > (shift+click) on the last attachment and _all_ (no matter the number) > will then be selected. Then, right click and select delete. Once again, I am _aware_ of the use of [undocumented] hotkeys. Was I talking about hotkeys? No. I was talking about the interface GUI in terms of _usability_. I have a hand holding the mouse. Using that hand, I can do some tasks (delete one) but not the other (delete all) when in fact it makes _no_ sense that I shouldn't. Especially when you consider that they are both related. Plus, your suggestion points to - yet another - inconsistency If you can do 'Save All' and 'Save All To', without resorting to hotkeys, why not, oh I dunno, 'Delete All'? > I may make more comments to your issues if you post them in the > appropriate mailing list, TBUDL. No need. I wasn't looking for a debate (or argument) and I have no intentions of joining another list just so I get to repeat myself. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hi Zygmunt, On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, at 21:52:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 21:52 where I live) you wrote about: 'Interface Inconsistencies' > The 'received' date is not a part of the message header, it is stored only > in the internal database of The Bat!. So, if you import messages from other > programs, The Bat! knows nothing about the the receiving in that program. > The Bat! uses current date and set it as 'receive' date. > When you retrieve (not import) messages from the archive, you retrieve all > information, including receive date for each message. That is not completely true. TB could extract the date from the 'Received' headers in the email. For example your message has the following Received headers in my message base: Received: from thrall.0x539.de (thrall.its-toasted.org [87.234.203.181]) by heliks.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2212) id HLKS65DD3D78 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:38 +0200 Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org ([87.234.203.178] ident=list) by thrall.0x539.de with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1INZls-0005Vt-Ar; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:12 +0200 Received: from data.pl ([212.85.96.58] helo=v00058.home.net.pl) by draenor.its-toasted.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1INZln-gN-3s for tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (HELO chello089077112192.chello.pl) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@127.0.0.1) by mail03.home.net.pl with SMTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:52:01 - In this case TB could see that the message is received by the mail server on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:52:38 +0200 -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6000 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
Hello Indie_Dev, > resend since first version from this morning was more than 50KB and > the moderator hasn't approved it yet. > > * original * > > Here's the thing. There are several interface inconsistencies which > are trivial and which IMO as a commercial software developer, > should be addressed. This list is TBBeta, to discuss beta versions bugs and issues. You are using the latest release version (3.99.03) and not the latest beta (3.99.20). Aside of that, your comments are generic. I think you should post them in TBUDL and not here. > 1) Why is there no 'Delete All' option when you click on the > attachment tab in the viewer page? If there are several attachments > and you want to delete them, you have to repeat the 'Delete' action > numerous times. God help you if some relative decides to send you a > ton of pictures of their new baby voted most likely to be the next > anti-Christ. That means in order to delete 24 pictures of the next > anti-Christ, you have to do a total of (24*3) clicks. That, to me, is > patently unacceptable. You only need 3 clicks. One to select the first attachment, a second one (shift+click) on the last attachment and _all_ (no matter the number) will then be selected. Then, right click and select delete. I may make more comments to your issues if you post them in the appropriate mailing list, TBUDL. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.19 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Mapi under Vista
Hello all, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, Indie_Dev wrote: > Are there any plans to fix this problem with Mapi and Vista? I am > using Vista Ultimate and ran into the same problem. I had to resort to > the registry hack in the thread below to fix it. > http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=4866&MID=18662&phrase_id=336181#message18662 yes, AFAIK this is planned for near future. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.20 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Mapi under Vista
Are there any plans to fix this problem with Mapi and Vista? I am using Vista Ultimate and ran into the same problem. I had to resort to the registry hack in the thread below to fix it. http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=4866&MID=18662&phrase_id=336181#message18662 -- Best regards, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Interface Inconsistencies
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 2:45:42 PM, you wrote: > On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 20:19:40, Indie_Dev wrote: >> 3) In threaded view, why is there no option (not even in the >> right-click menu) to expand or collapse a thread? I have discussion >> threads going back several months. If someone replies, I have to troll >> through many - many - many - many trees (of the same thread due to >> discussion branching) to get to the current 'unread' message or a >> particular message that I'm looking for. Sure if you're looking for >> unread messages, you can use the 'Unread' view to see a new incoming >> message, but thats not the point. > The treeview behaves similar as the standard Windows treeviews - > pressing * will expand all threads, and pressing Ctrl++ will expand > current thread. You can also use spacebar to jump to the next unread > message (after paging through current message), which is another > function common to many mail and newsreaders. Alternatively, you can > use Ctrl+] to jump straight to the next unread message. I know about the hotkeys and _how_ they work. Was I talking about hotkeys? Did I even mention hotkeys? No, I didn't. I was talking about menus. > The right-click menu in headers pane is already pretty cluttered, and > I don't think adding even more options to it would improve it > (besides, I have yet to see a treeview which has these options in a > menu). In the right-click/thread dialog, I see onlyseven options. How does adding two more, make it cluttered; when in fact that right-click itself has no less than 24 options? e.g. right-click/thread/expand-all right-click/thread/collapse-all In interface and GUI design (u may or may not be aware of this) a hotkey usually corresponds to a menu option as per Microsoft's specs for accessibility and whatnot. If you'd like, I can dig up the correct MSDN and/or technet specs for you. So, making use of the hotkeys is one thing. Having corresponding menu options is clearly another. Having one without the other is an inconsistency - and that which my email served to point out. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Exporting Emails problem
> The behavior for Exporting has > changed a couple of versions ago > Formerly when exporting a > message to a folder, when you looked > in the > folder, there would be the message > That is exactly what I mean (export). I export spam > messages in MSG > format to a folder and then sent them to spamcop as > attachments. > This behavior seems to have changed back int v .19. > I just checked it > in .20 with an HTML email and it is still back to > the original > (correct) behavior so the issue now is moot It is doing it again, this time with a "part1" text file -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 20:19:40, Indie_Dev wrote: > 3) In threaded view, why is there no option (not even in the > right-click menu) to expand or collapse a thread? I have discussion > threads going back several months. If someone replies, I have to troll > through many - many - many - many trees (of the same thread due to > discussion branching) to get to the current 'unread' message or a > particular message that I'm looking for. Sure if you're looking for > unread messages, you can use the 'Unread' view to see a new incoming > message, but thats not the point. The treeview behaves similar as the standard Windows treeviews - pressing * will expand all threads, and pressing Ctrl++ will expand current thread. You can also use spacebar to jump to the next unread message (after paging through current message), which is another function common to many mail and newsreaders. Alternatively, you can use Ctrl+] to jump straight to the next unread message. The right-click menu in headers pane is already pretty cluttered, and I don't think adding even more options to it would improve it (besides, I have yet to see a treeview which has these options in a menu). -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > [The Bat! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP Professional x64 Edition 5.2.3790.Service Pack 2] To err is human -- to blame it on someone else is even more human. -- Jacob' Law Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Interface Inconsistencies
> 8) The import of Unix mailboxes with folders is also inconsistent. > * You export a folder (e.g. 'media') containing subfolders (inbox, > outbox, sent) > * Since you know they are in a specific [Unix] format, you click on > a mailbox (e.g. Inbox) within an account and then use the "Tools/Import > Messages" > dialog. > Now you end up with a tree structure like this: > account_name ->>Inbox ->>media ->>media/inbox ->>media/outbox ->>media/Sent > Thats all well and good and is what its supposed to do. I forgot to add that it actually imported the data incorrectly. The data from the top 'media' folder, ended up in \Inbox instead of in \Inbox\media. So, I had to go into that Inbox and delete the files. Which brings me to the next inconsistency... 9) While I was in the process of deleting the emails which were put in the wrong folder above, selected all the emails and hit the delete key. Only the current message was deleted. OK. So I tried using move-to/trash folder. Nothing happened. In order to delete those emails, I had to switch from threaded view to 'no view mode' and then repeated the select all/delete op. Seriously, is this how its supposed to work? ps. The attached shot is from item (4) in the previous email. I increased the file compression to bring the file size down. <> Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Interface Inconsistencies
*resend* since first version from this morning was more than 50KB and the moderator hasn't approved it yet. * original * Here's the thing. There are several interface inconsistencies which are trivial and which IMO as a commercial software developer, should be addressed. 1) Why is there no 'Delete All' option when you click on the attachment tab in the viewer page? If there are several attachments and you want to delete them, you have to repeat the 'Delete' action numerous times. God help you if some relative decides to send you a ton of pictures of their new baby voted most likely to be the next anti-Christ. That means in order to delete 24 pictures of the next anti-Christ, you have to do a total of (24*3) clicks. That, to me, is patently unacceptable. 2) What is the point of having the option to delete the 'message.html' file, if its not going to be deleted but remains in the option as if the delete request was ignored, even though you already answered 'yes' to the delete prompt? 3) In threaded view, why is there no option (not even in the right-click menu) to expand or collapse a thread? I have discussion threads going back several months. If someone replies, I have to troll through many - many - many - many trees (of the same thread due to discussion branching) to get to the current 'unread' message or a particular message that I'm looking for. Sure if you're looking for unread messages, you can use the 'Unread' view to see a new incoming message, but thats not the point. 4) After importing a batch of emails from another program (e.g. TB), why is the 'received' date imported incorrectly? e.g. I recently switched from TB to TB! and imported a ton of emails going back many years. So now, I have - for e.g. - a folder with emails with received dates of 2007 with creation dates of far back as 1996 but filtered in the [threaded] view of 'Today' or 'Last Week' Thats just ridiculous. I was advised to just use a special view to sort them out. That hasn't worked at all, no matter what I try. So, if there is a way to fix this, what am I missing? See attached shot. I just tried it again by importing one of my archived TB folders. After the import, all the emails had a 'received' date of today. 5) In the 'Sorting Office/Filters' interface, when you create a filter and complete it, the name of the filter is not saved (or updated) unless you click elsewhere in the dialog. Also, given the number of crashes I've had in that interface since installing TB! a few days ago, my guess is that something fishy is going on in there and which needs careful looking at. 6) Why no option to have a replied to message reside in the current folder of the parent? Due to the fact that - as a developer - I have several developer threads going on, threaded views are invaluable (one of the reasons I switched from EudoraPro to TB four yrs ago, apart from the bloat and nonsensical licenses gauging where they make you pay - over and over for bug fixes) to me. So when I reply to a thread, I expect the reply to remain in the folder (ergo tree) where the parent is. Now, I find that I have to create a [move] filter for this. I think its cumbersome. Especially when you have many - many - developers and other affiliates with whom you have lengthy (and thus threaded) email discussions. 7) In the 'Tools/Import Messages' dialog, if you select an account, you only get the option to use the import wizard. Which of course does not allow the importing of other email formats such as Unix, EML etc. I found out the hard way that if you want those other options enabled, you have to first select a mailbox within the account. This is (a) inconsistent (b) is not mentioned in the manual This has been the topic of discussion on the forums as well in which some was trying to convince me that I had the wrong mindset. Which of course is foolish and without merit. IF that is the way the developers intended it, then it _should_ be accurately documented. Its not and that almost cost you guys a sale because I was just about ready to settle on Pocomail (I evaluated it and TB!) if I couldn't import my emails properly since they were in Unix format which is what TB uses. 8) The import of Unix mailboxes with folders is also inconsistent. * You export a folder (e.g. 'media') containing subfolders (inbox, outbox, sent) * Since you know they are in a specific [Unix] format, you click on a mailbox (e.g. Inbox) within an account and then use the "Tools/Import Messages" dialog. Now you end up with a tree structure like this: account_name ->Inbox ->media ->media/inbox ->media/outbox ->media/Sent Thats all well and good and is what its supposed to do. My question is, why couldn't this have been done at the 'account' tree level? In which case, you'd end up with a tree that looks _exactly_ as the above. Without first selecting 'Inbox' within the 'account_name', you could never import the 'media' email tree because the option to do so is disabled and s
Re[3]: Beta/20
Hi, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 1:59:18 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > Hello Robert, > Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 18:20:21, you wrote: >>>Pane separators are still not remembered correctly. Also, the window does >>>not >>>restore to the previous maximized state from the tray when starting >>>minimized to the tray. > Does it only happen when The Bat! is running by Windows Start, or at every > run of The Bat!? It only happens when starting with the /minimize parameter which is on Windows start for me (but also occurs if you start manually with the minimize parameter). -- Robert Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Beta/20
Hello Robert, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 18:20:21, you wrote: >>Pane separators are still not remembered correctly. Also, the window does not >>restore to the previous maximized state from the tray when starting >>minimized to the tray. Does it only happen when The Bat! is running by Windows Start, or at every run of The Bat!? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Beta/19
Hello Goncalo, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 17:29:12, you wrote: >>MM> If Ritlabs site is down, please send me your IP address, we will check >>the connection. >>Not anymore. It's fine now. If the error will reappear, please immediately send me the IP and the time when you've tried the attempt. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: beta/18
Hello Robert, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 17:15:45, you wrote: >>> [-] (#0006430) Pane separators are incorrect after restart when TB >>> is started automatically and Minimized >>This is still not fixed in 18. On startup, TB started minimized. >>After restoring it, TB was no longer maximized and the pane separators >>were not restored correctly. We are unable to fix this currently. Will fix in V4 with the new docking system. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler transparency beta/18
On Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 2:43:10, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: > Maybe it's an Win2000 issue? Looks like you're running out of GDI resources, which prevents TB from painting the column headers. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > [The Bat! v3.99.17 (BETA) on Windows XP Professional x64 Edition 5.2.3790.Service Pack 2] History doesn't repeat itself -- historians merely repeat each other. -- First Rule of History Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Addressing issue
Up through v.18 (perhaps 19 too) I could start typing and several address for a person, one a secondary, would pop up for selection This no longer happens. When I start typing and a secondary address that has available this way since v3.74 is no longer available, eve if I choose from the list and have it add secondary addresses (which I never had to do before, it was always available from the drop down.) I tried it after copying it out of the address book and it is still not available -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta/20
Hi, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 9:41:51 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39920.rar Pane separators are still not remembered correctly. Also, the window does not restore to the previous maximized state from the tray when starting minimized to the tray. -- Robert Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation after sending mail
Hello all, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, NetVicious wrote: >> Anybody saw this already? > Not here! > Marek these dialogs don't require captured screens, they could be > copied with CTRL+C and pasted as text in a message. ;-) You have right, but I have done many screenshots last days, so I forgot about it. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.20 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation after sending mail
martes, 21 ago 2007 at 11:14, it seems you wrote: > today I saw this AV for the first time, it is probaly related to "Filter > for replied messages" I have created yesterday, which adds address to > Address Book. > Anybody saw this already? Not here! Marek these dialogs don't require captured screens, they could be copied with CTRL+C and pasted as text in a message. ;-) -- /\/ Using The Bat! 3.99.20 (BETA) Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 2.6.0.7 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Beta/19
In reply to : Ritlab's site is down? I'm not able to connect at all... >>>Same here. MM> If Ritlabs site is down, please send me your IP address, we will check the connection. Not anymore. It's fine now. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Save more trees, eat more beavers. Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: beta/18
Hi, Monday, August 20, 2007, 1:58:22 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39918.rar > [-] (#0006430) Pane separators are incorrect after restart when TB > is started automatically and Minimized This is still not fixed in 18. On startup, TB started minimized. After restoring it, TB was no longer maximized and the pane separators were not restored correctly. -- Robert Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Beta/19
Hello Gleason, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 16:56:13, you wrote: >>> Ritlab's site is down? I'm not able to connect at all... >>Same here. If Ritlabs site is down, please send me your IP address, we will check the connection. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting Emails
Hello Roelof On Tuesday, August 21, 2007 you wrote: > Hallo Rick, > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:25 -0400GMT > (21-8-2007, 14:19 +0200, where I > live), you wrote: RG>> The behavior for Exporting has RG>> changed a couple of versions ago RG>> Formerly when exporting a RG>> message to a folder, when you looked RG>> in the RG>> folder, there would be the message > I'm not quite sure what you mean. When > I export messages, TB only > shows me the target directory, not any > files in it. > Are you sure you mean 'export' and not > 'import' or 'save as'? That is exactly what I mean (export). I export spam messages in MSG format to a folder and then sent them to spamcop as attachments. (If anyone needs a mortgage, your anatomy made bigger or more exciting or off-shore pharmacy websites let me know, I'll send you some) :)) This behavior seems to have changed back int v .19. I just checked it in .20 with an HTML email and it is still back to the original (correct) behavior so the issue now is moot -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta/20
Hello all, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39920.rar > [-] (#0006435) Progressbar "Overall progress" in "Processing Folders" > dialog is 100% since first folders not confirmed as fixed, when is INBOX of first account processed, overall progress displays 100% and stays on this. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.20 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta/20
Hallo Maxim, On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:41:51 +0300GMT (21-8-2007, 15:41 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MM> [-] (#0006435) Progressbar "Overall progress" in "Processing MM> Folders" dialog is 100% since first folders Not fixed -- Groetjes, Roelof Every person constructs their own bed of nails. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp7LEntiwlVk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Beta/19
Goncalo, > Hi, > In reply to : Anyway, I will keep an eye for a couple of days before closing BT report. MM>> OK, thank you! > Ritlab's site is down? I'm not able to connect at all... Same here. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting Emails
Hallo Rick, On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:25 -0400GMT (21-8-2007, 14:19 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RG> The behavior for Exporting has changed a couple of versions ago RG> Formerly when exporting a message to a folder, when you looked in the RG> folder, there would be the message I'm not quite sure what you mean. When I export messages, TB only shows me the target directory, not any files in it. Are you sure you mean 'export' and not 'import' or 'save as'? -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 004: Erroneous error - nothing is wrong http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpTwa9ErzAWo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Beta/20
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39920.rar [-] (#0006435) Progressbar "Overall progress" in "Processing Folders" dialog is 100% since first folders Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting Emails
Well, the whole email importing/exporting business needs to be properly documented as per my recent thread in the forums. -- cheers, Indie_Dev Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 8:19:25 AM, you wrote: > The behavior for Exporting has changed a couple of versions ago > Formerly when exporting a message to a folder, when you looked in the > folder, there would be the message > Now there is the message plus all kinds of other stuff (index.html > etc) > Confirm anyone? Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Exporting Emails
The behavior for Exporting has changed a couple of versions ago Formerly when exporting a message to a folder, when you looked in the folder, there would be the message Now there is the message plus all kinds of other stuff (index.html etc) Confirm anyone? -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.19 (BETA) on Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: beta/18
Maxim, Monday, August 20, 2007, 1:58:22 PM, you wrote: MM> [-] (#0006431) Message Finder window don't keep the MM> maximized WindowState The Message Finder maximized issues appear to be fixed, mostly, I think. I say "mostly, I think" because I'm not sure if the Message Finder is intended to save its window position or not. If NOT, then it works perfectly. If it should be saving the window position, it is not as it always opens centered over TheBat!'s main window (on any monitor, so that's a good thing, to me ). But if I had TheBat! on one monitor, and the Message Finder on another, the Message Finder doesn't come back where I left it (but it DOES come back in the same size/state). I'm not positive yet, but I think that the Edit Mail Message window may have a similar issue of always coming back on the monitor where TheBat! is running. If I can be sure of it, I'll post a follow-up message. BTW, neither of these are serious because the various windows at least appear directly over the program being used, so unless someone argues, I'd mark them as low priority. PS: These were found in beta 19 (I skipped 18) -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.19 (BETA) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta/19
Hello Maxim, >>>Anyway, I will keep an eye for a couple of days before closing BT >>>report. > OK, thank you! Bad news! I still need to do some more testing but so far I have seen the following: I went back to 3.99.06 and made a couple of changes in MAU's account S.O. I then started 3.99.19 and everything seemed correct, including the changes I had just made. While running 3.99.19 I made a couple of more changes. I then went back to 3.99.06 and... surprise! The changes I had just made were there but some filters were "lost" (see attached PNG. Only one Outgoing filter and none in Read or Replied). And the second surprise was that when I started 3.99.19 again, the filters show up exactly as in in 3.99.06, also with "lost" filters. Since I have the original ACCOUNT.SRB file that I sent to Stefan, I will try to reproduce. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.19 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 <> Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Beta/19
Hi, In reply to : >>>Anyway, I will keep an eye for a couple of days before closing BT >>>report. MM> OK, thank you! Ritlab's site is down? I'm not able to connect at all... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias If this message goes into the void, call me! Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Beta/19
Hello Mau, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 14:05:01, you wrote: >>Anyway, I will keep an eye for a couple of days before closing BT >>report. OK, thank you! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Beta/19
Hello Maxim, > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39919.rar > > [-] Filters should be loaded more correctly from now on. They certainly do! Congrats :) Anyway, I will keep an eye for a couple of days before closing BT report. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.19 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.18: No slide bars on photo window
Hello Marek, >> Sorry if this has been reported before, I didn't find any open report. > >> I have just opened https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6436 > > already reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6424 Yes, I have seen your note now and have closed my report. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.18 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.18: No slide bars on photo window
Hello all, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, MAU wrote: > Sorry if this has been reported before, I didn't find any open report. > I have just opened https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6436 already reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6424 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.18 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
3.99.18: No slide bars on photo window
Hello all, Sorry if this has been reported before, I didn't find any open report. I have just opened https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6436 I noticed this with 3.99.18 but may be not new to this version. When receiving large JPG photos as attachments, they are displayed fine and properly scaled on preview pane when selecting the corresponding attachment tab. However, when double clicking on jpg attachment (or selecting open in context menu) the photo is opened in a window at 100% scale, but the window does not have slide bars and you can't pan the image. On 3.99.06, the image is also displayed at 100% scale but the window does include slide bars. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.18 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Beta/19
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39919.rar [-] Filters should be loaded more correctly from now on. Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB freezing when opening message from MailTicker
Hello all, Monday, August 20, 2007, Maxim Masiutin wrote: >>>I had no crash yet when I started TB manually and used MailTicker. >>>Anybody can reproduce this? > We have changed this code a little bit for the upcoming beta, please try > it when it will be ready. did not helped, I have started TB manually, tried open message from MailTicker and TB freezed. I have closed it by TaskManager, started TB, tried to open message from MailTicker and TB feeezed again. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.18 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler transparency beta/18
Hello Hendrik, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 2:43:10 AM, you wrote: HO> Maybe it's an Win2000 issue? Confirmed, it picks up a little bit of an underlying screen HO> If I change focus to an other window and come back to the scheduler, HO> it looks correctly. See attached screen shoots. It's not a big issue, especially if one does not use that feature of TB! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.18 (BETA) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 2:20:59) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation after sending mail
Hello all, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, Maxim Masiutin wrote: >>>today I saw this AV for the first time, it is probaly related to "Filter >>>for replied messages" I have created yesterday, which adds address to >>>Address Book. > Is it IMAP or POP3 account? sorry, it is POP3. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.18 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation after sending mail
Hello Marek, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 12:14:56, you wrote: >>today I saw this AV for the first time, it is probaly related to "Filter >>for replied messages" I have created yesterday, which adds address to >>Address Book. Is it IMAP or POP3 account? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access Violation after sending mail
Hello all, today I saw this AV for the first time, it is probaly related to "Filter for replied messages" I have created yesterday, which adds address to Address Book. Anybody saw this already? To Rit: if You need, I will send You SRB file. -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.18 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line <> Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
