Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Dear Marc, Sorry for that HTML part ; added in templates %SetEditor=1 as suggested - should be Plain Text now. The second HTML e-mail was out before I had chance to read your advise. Marc I do all of my filtering manually since switching to IMAP for Marc my primary account. Under POP3, the whole thing was automated. Unfortunately POP3 filtering is not working properly with Chinese/Russion/Japanese coding while not on the language native operating system. Igetabout 150-200 e-mails in Chinese a day plus English and Polish so would prefer to have it automated :) Marc This is what the RITLabs BugTraq website is for and achieves Marc admirably. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt Thank you for info. Will keep an eye on it for a while. Marc Prioritisation of issues is down to the developers. They are Marc usually pretty fair about the order of bug fixing. Show Marc stoppers have top priority. Going to hang here for a while ; and will make my judgement :) -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi Dwight, On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 1:42:06 PM, Mark Partous wrote: mail tracker or ticker? ticker Mail ticker is still displaying message even after they are viewed (but not opened with mail ticker) and deleted in the client. The only way to get rid of this messages from a mail ticker is to close it and reopen it. Simple but a bit annoying... -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. Regards Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hi Guys, As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle ground ... unfortunately one side only (haven't seen any feedback messages from The Bat! team). Frustrated user - I can understand them/us. I'm frustrated about some issues as well and about the fact that I need to do part of filtering manually. I might be mistaken but that all fight is rather not helping anyone. Maybe a solution would be to prepare and discuss with the programmers a priority list of bugs to be fixed and stick to it. Some features are not important to some users but they might be important to other users. In ex: IMAP bugs are not important for me at all but I understand its importance for some people (what I saw they are rather minor problems any way). I'm sorry to write that in my opinion personal opinion Smileys shall rather not be a priority and is minor matter for The Bat! users. Major matters for all of us are rather problems connected with the reason we spend money to buy Your product :) 1. Superior Filtering (that needs some adjustments at the moment), I have another problem connected with filtering but not going to report it yet - might be because I skipped something (newbee as I wrote before :) ). 2. Virtual Folders matter, 3. IMAP matter, x. Smileys (probably for all of us at the very end of priority list) -- Best regards, RS Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:44:20 PM, you wrote: Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. Regards Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello F.P., Saturday, April 30, 2011, 10:44:20 AM, you wrote: FP OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to FP fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change FP wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you FP cant drive. Actually it is a bad idea to compare software with cars, but if you insist... Did you pay for that car or did you trade in the earlier model you bought for the next model without paying anything at all? If you have paid in order to be able to use the new model, or if you have bought the new model without having an older model: did you take a test drive? If the answer to that question is yes, was the problem known to you when you decided to buy? If the answer is no, were you forced to buy/upgrade? If yes, check with the one who made you do it. If no, take responsibility for that decision. As you can see, I'm still using 4.2.44.2 (and should go back because 4.2.44.2 suffers from the problem with images on https servers) because I don't have the time, nor the setup to simply test it on a non-productive setup. Based upon the messages I can read here, I would not have relased 5 if I were Ritlabs, but I as a user of 4, I also decide not to use 5 until the features I need and already have in 4 seem to work properly in 5. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 4:25:30) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: HTML use (was: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List))
Hallo RS, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:02:31 +0800GMT (30-4-2011, 12:02, where I live), you wrote: R As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two R days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle ground moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out RS. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using %SetEditor=1 in your list template. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Knows all, sees all, trips over his/her own two feet. pgpnSYWfxY4md.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List))
Hallo RS, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:02:31 +0800GMT (30-4-2011, 12:02, where I live), you wrote: R Best regards, R RS R Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:44:20 PM, you wrote: Hi, moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out RS. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Fighting moderators is like fighting God...useless but fun! -Muad'Dex pgpG7R8dfwUB1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Dear Rs, @30-Apr-2011, 18:02 +0800 (30-Apr 11:02 here) RS (FEDARA) [R] in mid:1462547914.20110430180...@fedara.com said to F.P.: That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. R As I said before I'm new here but I watched the list for last two R days and I have a feeling that there is rather a battle R ground ... unfortunately one side only (haven't seen any R feedback messages from The Bat! team). The TB team only involve themselves in direct discussion of BugTraq reported issues. They never involve themselves in some of these emotive skirmishes that usually develop in such environments as this. ... snip R I need to do part of filtering manually. I do all of my filtering manually since switching to IMAP for my primary account. Under POP3, the whole thing was automated. R I might be mistaken but that all fight is rather not helping anyone. Agreed! R Maybe a solution would be to prepare and discuss with the R programmers a priority list of bugs to be fixed and stick to it. This is what the RITLabs BugTraq website is for and achieves admirably. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt Prioritisation of issues is down to the developers. They are usually pretty fair about the order of bug fixing. Show stoppers have top priority. Sometimes it seems that a low priority bug has been given unfair promotion and an early fix. As a developer myself, I can understand that it makes no sense to be fixing a major bug in a module and not fixing a minor one in the same module while it's out on the bench. Sometimes a bug will take too long to fix and the attempt will delay a release that contains many other important fixes and feature updates. While frustrating for those affected by such a bug, I can understand why these things happen. One argument is that software with known bugs is never releasable. I even once held that view myself. As software and its sphere of use and influence ever expands, so this ideal goal slips ever further into the distance. I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of complex software that has to cater for many real-time events and vagaries. But that's just my personal take on it. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpmbT3zHhky1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:35:46 +0100, Marck wrote: One argument is that software with known bugs is never releasable. I even once held that view myself. As software and its sphere of use and influence ever expands, so this ideal goal slips ever further into the distance. 4) All software has bugs, even known bugs. All I can advise you to do is to just read the comments on the 5.0.8 realease again. And a bit more thoroughly this time. It's not about bugs, known or unknown, it's about real annoyances and problems, experienced by people who have to pay mony for it. In short, they let people pay for software that has trouble with basic functions, like filtering and virtual folders. Moreover, it did take less than a day after release to notice those problems. I think that's a crying shame. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error TMailMessage released before its use. (was: Re: 5.0.9.7)
Hello all, Friday, April 29, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar I am getting this error very often: --- The Bat! --- TMailMessage released before its use. --- OK --- Date: 30 Apr 2011 13:45:21 OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 build 7601 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1172/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1830/2047 MB CommandLine: K:\The Bat!\thebat.exe /NOLOGO Address: 00C2089E ClassName: EMessageRefUseError Message: TMailMessage released before its use IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20110429193901 K:\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00C2089E [0040] 00C20899 [0040] 00C20861 [0040] 00A315F9 [0040] 00A31A14 [0040] 00AF69C0 [0040] 00475398 [0040] 00562DA9 [0040] 00562DE2 [0040] 0056303A [0040] 00C9D203 [0040] 00CA28BA [0040] 00CA9284 [0040] -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hello Marck! On Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 12:35:46 PM you wrote: Sometimes a bug will take too long to fix and the attempt will delay a release that contains many other important fixes and feature updates. While frustrating for those affected by such a bug, I can understand why these things happen. Lots of true things in what you say. Unfortunately the official release of v5 [as before with every other major official release version] was so premature that the remaining [active] users of TB might be a tad offended. Many have reported severe bugs, which are still in a program version SOLD to unsuspecting folks. We need not wade too deep into marketing waters to see that there is a problem: finding a well-featured mail client which shows ghost messages, crashes frequently, produces AVs and Exceptions regularly, does not filter correctly ... in short, does not handle the basics of a mail client is not persuasive to shell out money. E-mail is increasingly shifting toward Web/cloud services, from Facebook messages to Twitter, Web mailers like Google, smartphones. A desktop client is not a necessity anymore, it is a luxury. I am still on POP3 for essentially one reason, The Bat!, sadly the reasons I want to use it dwindle as the very features I want to use don't do their job. I recommended TB for years to private and business contacts, without them paying me to help with setting it up. It was for sheer enthusiasm. Last year I was called in by a client to help set up his new computer. I thought about recommending TB, setting it up, as I think it would increase his productivity. Well, in a first round, for historical reasons, we went with Thunderbird, which I find ... [put in expletive of choice]. After a few months we decided to change to Outlook ... I cannot recommend TB! anymore because it does not enhance productivity anymore. It hinders it. For instance, I have to start the program two times when I run it the first time because some message stays in the Mail Ticker although it is marked read and deleted. That is not just annoying. And filters, and View Modes, the dreaded TMailHandler Released Before ... -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. [Don Knuth] Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 5:04:39 AM, Mark Partous wrote: As you can see, I'm still using 4.2.44.2 (and should go back because 4.2.44.2 suffers from the problem with images on https servers) because I don't have the time, nor the setup to simply test it on a non-productive setup. Based upon the messages I can read here, I would not have relased 5 if I were Ritlabs, but I as a user of 4, I also decide not to use 5 until the features I need and already have in 4 seem to work properly in 5. another thing which I am confused about is users who threaten to or do leave because a feature is causing trouble but it doesn't exist in the product they move to. For example, the mail tracker. Disclaimer: haven't used for years. Anyhow, apparently there are currently some frustrating problems with it. So user abandons bat, to go to another software which doesn't have buggy tracker, because has no tracker at all. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. OK, we cant repair your car. We build it but we doesent have time to fix this problem because its much harder to find. We have to change wheel-screws primary on all the other cars. Not our problem if you cant drive. The car isn't broken - you are just waiting for the part. Be patient -- Rick Getting Caught Is The Mother Of Invention v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
Hello Arjan, On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:33:34 +0200 GMT (30/Apr/11, 18:33 PM +0700 GMT), Arjan de Groot wrote: AdG In short, they let people pay for software that has trouble with basic AdG functions, like filtering and virtual folders. Moreover, it did take AdG less than a day after release to notice those problems. The keyword here is basic functions. I need my email both for work and study, and I have not dared to up(down?)grade to v5 yet. V5 is not ready for release yet, IMHO. Yes, they've built it from scratch (if I understand correctly) meaning it's a completely new software with the same look-and feel as the previous one. A lot of work, I can imagine. However, as a new software, it is bound to have bugs in modules that worked flawlessly in earlier versions (actually, versions of the previous software). It is a big step for Ritlabs to take, rewriting the software (but not cross-platform, which I think is a missed opportunity), but the new software should be at least on par with the old one (plus the working IMAP support as promised for v2) before a first release. That's only my opinion, and Ritlabs will make their own decision. I will wait for the filters and virtual folders to work correctly, and the reports of AVs to stop, before I'll give v5 a try. I need this to work correctly and reliably before I will even consider looking into tooltips (that apparently can't be turned off reliably) or 2D barcode gadgets. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello Dwight, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:19:13 PM, you wrote: DC another thing which I am confused about is users who threaten to or do DC leave because a feature is causing trouble but it doesn't exist in the DC product they move to. :-) Oh well, some people tend to create their own realities and then expect others to play along... DC For example, the mail tracker. Disclaimer: DC haven't used for years. Anyhow, apparently there are currently some DC frustrating problems with it. So user abandons bat, to go to another DC software which doesn't have buggy tracker, because has no tracker at DC all. mail tracker or ticker? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 12:44:53) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
On Saturday, April 30, 2011, 1:42:06 PM, Mark Partous wrote: mail tracker or ticker? ticker -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hello Dwight, Saturday, April 30, 2011, 9:10:39 PM, you wrote: mail tracker or ticker? DC ticker I already thought it was a feature of TB! I did not know about. :-) I only use it for a few folders containing mail from professional partners. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.44.2 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 14:35:7) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.9.7
The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar What's new in 5.0.9.7 since 5.0.9.6: [-] (#0008650) Sending a file from Windows Explorer was not working [-] (#0008204) Image smileys were not working when The Bat! was started from a desktop shortcut with no Start in folder defined [-] (#0008280) IMAP : Option Mark deleted messages as read in IMAP account properties is not applied [-] (#0008587) When clicking Minimize, Maximize, Close Button in v5.0.8, the program hangs a while, and the cursor can't be moved. Please note that the fix #0008587 may affect hints. Who uses hints, please test that the hints are working as before, and please confirm here in TBBETA. Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, 2011/4/29 Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com: The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar Filters an Option ReFilter does not work. Last working version *.138 for the option ReFilter. Guess Image Smileys are extremely important to fix. Can we expect working IMAP Filters in 2011 ? Regards Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
Hi, 2011/4/29 Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com: The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar Filters an Option ReFilter does not work. Last working version *.138 for the option ReFilter. Guess Image Smileys are extremely important to fix. Can we expect working IMAP Filters in 2011 ? That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a shortcut. -- Rick You and reality should get together and patch up your differences v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
The Bat! 5.0.9.7 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5097.rar What's new in 5.0.9.7 since 5.0.9.6: [-] (#0008204) Image smileys were not working when The Bat! was started from a desktop shortcut with no Start in folder defined This does not seem to be working correctly yet -- Rick Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; But rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW--What a ride! v5.0.9.7 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7
On 2011-04-30 (00:18), you wrote:
That may be a LOT deeper issue than the wrong icon when started from a
shortcut.
Failure of filtering is failure of basic function in e-mail client.
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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