Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:33:46 PM, you wrote: I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. Confirmed. I got the same error when I followed the steps After re-examining the problem I came to the preliminary conclusion that the probable cause of this bug is a not quite uptodate help file (It says: What's new in version 3). Perhaps it is a good idea for Ritlabs to rewrite the help file and actualize it for version 4.x.x.x? Great suggestion. Question - does this need to go into a bug track report? If so, glad to support it. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. Confirmed. I got the same error when I followed the steps After re-examining the problem I came to the preliminary conclusion that the probable cause of this bug is a not quite uptodate help file (It says: What's new in version 3). Perhaps it is a good idea for Ritlabs to rewrite the help file and actualize it for version 4.x.x.x? Great suggestion. Question - does this need to go into a bug track report? If so, glad to support it. I dont know if you have to say anything. They know I think that the help is old. BBP. Vili Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Marek, Monday, June 8, 2009, 11:55:39 PM, you wrote: seems You care about IMAP only, but for example our customers requested ... version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, ROTFL. Can you honestly say how many of your (pl.) customers have requested this particular feature (which, BTW, is not a feature but a fix for a bug mostly likely caused by Ritlabs themselves with their braindead antipiracy protection scheme -- most DEP errors are related to either naive protection schemes or very lousy coding)? -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Marek, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:44:30 AM, you wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. No Marek, it is not. I know it is very convenient for you in your hopeless defense of the we-are-not-going-to-make-any-commitments strategy but it is not enough for us. So, either they deliver IMAP support or the discussions will go on :) -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:19:48 AM, you wrote: Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so predictable. Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, because they were, suddenly without warning, reduced to unregistered status. V. 4.1, in hindsight, also needed important bugfixes, which led to: Release 4.2, which has above mentioned important bugfixes, but also, amongst other symptoms, Postponed Sending, messed-up Tips- Of-The-Day and broken OTFE. This is specifically funny for seasoned TB! users, because they know these cock-ups are not merely incidental accidents, but an integral and important part of Ritlabs' software release history. For example, almost 5 years ago I tried to install an early 3.x release version which had some inferior Bayesian plug-in (Bayes-It!) integrated. The result of those attempts: Access Violations all over the place and a plug-in that resisted uninstallment at all cost. This is just a single example. Soon after this disaster I gave up on TB! and since then I only use it for archiving purposes. Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. I never quote full posts just to add Agree! at the end but this is the first time I genuinely feel the urge to do so. TB!'s low quality is something of a legend these days. I might write a book on it one day :) -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:53:20 -0400, Vili wrote: I dont know if you have to say anything. They know I think that the help is old. Rewriting the help file is a time consuming and boring job. I think at Ritlabs there is a tendency to try to avoid and/or postpone boring and/or difficult jobs. That's why version 4.2 has Postponed Sending (implementation of which was, I guess, exciting and fun to do), but still no advancements in IMAP. I believe Ritlabs are facing a hard time. There are still lots of bugs to be fixed, improvement of IMAP functionality has to be done and the help file has to be updated. These are all jobs RL are not looking forward to. But, they will have to be done in order to save their credibility. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 at 18:40, Robert Tomanek wrote: version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, Can you honestly say how many of your (pl.) customers have requested this particular feature I have been silent, willing not to push this up... But i would have loved to ask this question too. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Robert, Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:43:35 PM, you wrote: No Marek, it is not. I know it is very convenient for you in your hopeless defense of the we-are-not-going-to-make-any-commitments strategy but it is not enough for us. So, either they deliver IMAP support or the discussions will go on :) This was declared a dead horse. Please follow the list rules. Enough of the nasty comments. -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:52:55 -0400, Ethan J Mings wrote: And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be in vain. If you want to keep up hope, that's fine. But please don't hold your breath. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be in vain. If you want to keep up hope, that's fine. But please don't hold your breath. Arjan The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 3:09:05 PM Gleason wrote, The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this is a little bit childish. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:15:19 PM, you wrote: The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this is a little bit childish. Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:15:19 PM, you wrote: The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this is a little bit childish. Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! +1 -- Rick It is a good rule in life never to apologize. The right sort of people do not want apologies, and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them. - P. G. Wodehouse v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 at 19:34, Ethan J Mings wrote: Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! +1 -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 7:34:04 PM Ethan J Mings wrote, Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! I wholeheartedly agree with Ethan, Rick and Jens. This list is not meant for killing dead horses, but for fruitful discussions about Beta! development. That's why I just downloaded a fresh copy of TB! 4.2.4 and tried to install it on my computer. Alas, for some unknown reason the .msi package refused to install, so I had to manually extract the exe file and copy it to the program directory. I've already set up an IMAP account at my regular provider and now I'm fully set-up prepared for thorough critical testing of this feature in current and future Beta! versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 7:34:04 PM Ethan J Mings wrote, Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! I wholeheartedly agree with Ethan, Rick and Jens. This list is not meant for killing dead horses, but for fruitful discussions about Beta! development. That's why I just downloaded a fresh copy of TB! 4.2.4 and tried to install it on my computer. Alas, for some unknown reason the .msi package refused to install, so I had to manually extract the exe file and copy it to the program directory. I've already set up an IMAP account at my regular provider and now I'm fully set-up prepared for thorough critical testing of this feature in current and future Beta! versions. Arjan //=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] Plus 1 anyone? -- Rick Help bring to a close, the Age of Greed v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, //=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] Plus 1 anyone? You should try to keep your balloon away from burning cigarettes, Rick. Anyway, I think I already spotted a bug in TB! 2.4.2. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. What is your opinion on that, Rick? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, //=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] Plus 1 anyone? You should try to keep your balloon away from burning cigarettes, Rick. Anyway, I think I already spotted a bug in TB! 2.4.2. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. What is your opinion on that, Rick? Confirmed Make an entry in bug tracker and I will SUPPORT you!!! -- Rick Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning. - Kirk v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, Plus 1 anyone? I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. After re-examining the problem I came to the preliminary conclusion that the probable cause of this bug is a not quite uptodate help file (It says: What's new in version 3). Perhaps it is a good idea for Ritlabs to rewrite the help file and actualize it for version 4.x.x.x? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Tuesday night, Marek wrote something like this: Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. Please go to this Forum http://thebat.pl/forum/index.php and search for all IMAP related topics. Then go to this Forum http://www.batboard.net/ and look how many topics is about IMAP problems. Got to this forum http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/ and also search for IMAP topics. You can compare this results with POP related topics. You think that all IMAP related discussions on tbbeta are only minority reports or just only this people that read this discussion list? BTW if RIT want more new customers then should also work on RTL support. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes or running off the last of those hopeful something will sometime actually be done. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 1) Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dwight, On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes or running off the last of those hopeful something will sometime actually be done. Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:34:26 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so predictable. Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, because they were, suddenly without warning, reduced to unregistered status. V. 4.1, in hindsight, also needed important bugfixes, which led to: Release 4.2, which has above mentioned important bugfixes, but also, amongst other symptoms, Postponed Sending, messed-up Tips- Of-The-Day and broken OTFE. This is specifically funny for seasoned TB! users, because they know these cock-ups are not merely incidental accidents, but an integral and important part of Ritlabs' software release history. For example, almost 5 years ago I tried to install an early 3.x release version which had some inferior Bayesian plug-in (Bayes-It!) integrated. The result of those attempts: Access Violations all over the place and a plug-in that resisted uninstallment at all cost. This is just a single example. Soon after this disaster I gave up on TB! and since then I only use it for archiving purposes. Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Arjan, Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. One thing that could be done is that the rest of us could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:16:34 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: One thing that could be done is that the rest of us Us is a rapidly shrinking minority on these lists. could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. Suit yourself. Messages like this merely add to my amusement. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 6:19:48 PM, you wrote: Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) -- Rick You and reality should get together and patch up your differences v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the Stanley Cup game, myself. But the end of this thread should be a communication from TB! -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:13:48 PM, Rick wrote: Maybe its time to call this thread to an end. Ya THNK? Why don't we all go over to the table, have cake and ice cream and enjoy the rest of the evening :) I think the cake and ice cream is a good idea. I'm going to watch the Stanley Cup game, myself. But the end of this thread should be a communication from TB! They are invited to the party too! :)) I'm putting up some balloons and streamers :) -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 01:21 h (CET)] Moin! And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. nobody told this, Sorry, but IMHO these statements do not allow any diversity in interpretation: .·¨[Stefan Tanurkov @ TBB, 2008-10-30]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— VŠ Can someone from Rit update us on where IMAP rewrite is? We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP in the next release, so it was the first step. As soon as we get this Beta series finished and the new format working without a problem, IMAP will be reworked. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:1124908893.20081030210...@thebat.net .·¨[Maxim Masiutin @ TBB, 2008-12-19]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— […] Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, it is only a workaround of inefficient IMAP design. We will rework IMAP after the release. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:2033284972604811...@ritlabs.com 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO RITLabs does not make any difference between major and minor releases: Release is release. The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? .·¨[Marek Mikus @ TBB, 2008-12-10]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— Speaking of IMAP, I thought this was the IMAP fixing time. as Stef wrote some weeks ago, IMAP will be focused in development serie after 4.1 (current serie) will be finished. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = 1127313245.20081210161...@ipex.cz Why is it often so hard for people to admit, that something (repeatedly) went wrong? IIRC, IMAP development will be continued AFTER the establishment of the new database format. Which could mean anytime, from v. 4.1 onward until v. 68876589.3245234.12341231.00457734 onward. and it continued, even it is not visible yet. I can not tell more, Stef should do clear statement. Yep, a binding statement from RITLabs would be highly appreciated! Just for clarification: I am using four POP3 accounts and only one IMAP account. I have sometimes little problems (aka pet peeves) with IMAP, but no real showstoppers. But obviously there are a lot of people, who have *serious* problems with IMAP support. So, dear RITguys, please hear the voice of the customer! Just my two cents … Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Smart alecks are the roots of all evil.« – Mika M. Kruse Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Vilius, Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:33:24 AM, you wrote: Yes, it was reported 4 year ago: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4880 Excellent. RIT can use the information as they move forward. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Volker, .·¨[Stefan Tanurkov @ TBB, 2008-10-30]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— VŠ Can someone from Rit update us on where IMAP rewrite is? We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP in the next release, so it was the first step. As soon as we get this Beta series finished and the new format working without a problem, IMAP will be reworked. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:1124908893.20081030210...@thebat.net .·¨[Maxim Masiutin @ TBB, 2008-12-19]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— […] Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, it is only a workaround of inefficient IMAP design. We will rework IMAP after the release. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:2033284972604811...@ritlabs.com 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO RITLabs does not make any difference between major and minor releases: Release is release. The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? The quotes say Imap after the 4.1 series. 4.2 is the product of that series of betas. So now, how about some reduced invective while they do what they said? -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Maxim Masiutin schrieb: Hello Tbbeta, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2.msi Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? Interesting statement seeing all the replies made to this thread plus a thread not too old about IMAP. regards Christian Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Ethan J Mings schrieb: grow weary of the blind shots that are not well documented simply listed here in the forum. Your message, ... totally useless version for using IMAP is in accurate because it does work. Put the concern in the bug track or give a link to the specific existing bug track item. Otherwise, enough of the generalizations and blind shots! I for one, just want to get on with testing and applying the product. Jerry Okay, it may be overly unprecise my statement - but it got people talking / writing about IMAP once again - that is my goal. As long as Ritlabs does not official post a statement saying they give up on IMAP implementation on TB! then i will not give up on buging them (and maybe you) about it. IMAP is one of the most important (business related) protocols and now don´t start arguing that TB! is not meant for business clients! Why then would Ritlabs produce their own professional version or even a email server ? POP3 is still mainly used because casual users and non experts only know about it. If the broad public would actually know about the qualities and functions of IMAP they would probably all want to switch. Why otherwise would large companies that provide email services allow the usage of IMAP? I am tired of repeating and tired of having to list errors or report the same things over and over and over again. Check the bug tracker yourself and you will see alot of IMAP related bugs. Finally - useless - it is. What sense is there in using a client - or even wanting a customer to buy it - and having to tell them - but don´t use IMAP! Even though the package says it supports IMAP - just don´t use it. If you want to use it - well then make ready for errors, no working IMAP connections and so on how to fix it? welll Just close the application and restart it... now that is great advice! Will tell that my customers when they have a problem with a server or client OS - just restart the computer it will fix itself! I WANT A STATEMENT FROM RITLABS!! Finally tell this listing what is happening to IMAPs - if anything - give us a timeframe - a project plan - a milestone - anything !! But something that works as it should! regards Christian Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:14:40 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO Ritlabs should have done this important bugfixing _before_ releasing version 4.1 to the general public. The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? The quotes say Imap after the 4.1 series. 4.2 is the product of that series of betas. So now, how about some reduced invective while they do what they said? I didn't read any invective in his message. In fact it is a polite and accurate reminder of statements about IMAP development, made 6 (six) months (!) ago. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? Interesting statement seeing all the replies made to this thread plus a thread not too old about IMAP. Yes, and it is not true that Imap is totally useless for those who use Imap. This isn't the first time you have heard that. But as soon as the successful Imapers get quiet you are right back on the same track again. Which makes me think something else is going on. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 11:32, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Why is it often so hard for people to admit, that something (repeatedly) went wrong? I like the calm and dry way, how you put together the important things, Volker, really! It would be a very straight Community here, if we could reduce the polemics to the hard facts. Yep, a binding statement from RITLabs would be highly appreciated! This request is a longterm wish. But who looks more detailed, sees that some minor things already changed to the good side. Just for clarification: I am using four POP3 accounts and only one IMAP account. So do i, but i could use almost all my Accounts with IMAP, if this would be provided by my Mailclient without Problems. And this would be more portable for me, easier, better. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Finally - useless - it is. What sense is there in using a client - or even wanting a customer to buy it - and having to tell them - but don´t use IMAP! Even though the package says it supports IMAP - just don´t use it. If you want to use it - well then make ready for errors, no working IMAP connections and so on Not so and you know it. how to fix it? welll Just close the application and restart it... now that is great advice! Will tell that my customers when they have a problem with a server or client OS - just restart the computer it will fix itself! I WANT A STATEMENT FROM RITLABS!! Finally tell this listing what is happening to IMAPs - if anything - give us a timeframe - a project plan - a milestone - anything !! But something that works as it should! Come on Christian, tell us what your real agenda is. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Gleason Pace schrieb: Christian, Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? Interesting statement seeing all the replies made to this thread plus a thread not too old about IMAP. Yes, and it is not true that Imap is totally useless for those who use Imap. This isn't the first time you have heard that. But as soon as the successful Imapers get quiet you are right back on the same track again. Which makes me think something else is going on. think what you like and add what you like with your imagination, i have written what i think. regards Christian Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:54:13 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: Yes, and it is not true that Imap is totally useless for those who use Imap. This isn't the first time you have heard that. But as soon as the successful Imapers get quiet you are right back on the same track again. Which makes me think something else is going on. I use IMAP and TB! on 7 Fastmail accounts and have not had any major issues with it. There are problems with the message counts on my laptop (but not PC), which constantly shows unread messages that don't exist or negative message counts, but the basic functionality appears to be OK. However, I have not tried any other IMAP mail clients other than Snappermail on my Palm Treo 650, so I don't really have any basis of comparison. I found that the big problem with IMAP in TB! is the poor documentation. As a newbie to IMAP, I found the instructions in TB unhelpful and I wonder whether this is part of the problem. A clear explanation of how IMAP should work in TB together with the options would go a long way to making the implementation of it more pleasant than it is now. Of course, IMHO, as a still relatively inexperienced IMAP user. Julian -- Julian Beach jul...@trink.co.uk jbli...@dial.pipex.com (List Traffic) Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Gleason Pace« · 2009-06-08 · 16:14 h (CET)] Moin, Gleason! .·¨[Maxim Masiutin @ TBB, 2008-12-19]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— […] Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, it is only a workaround of inefficient IMAP design. We will rework IMAP after the release. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:2033284972604811...@ritlabs.com The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? The quotes say Imap after the 4.1 series. 4.2 is the product of that series of betas. False. The statements were done during beta cycle which lead to the release of The Bat! 4.1.11 [1] on Jan 22, 2009. So the rework after the release (see above) should have started in January 2009 and implemented in the next release (aka The Bat! 4.2.4). I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, shouldn’t we? ;-) [1] http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2782 Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: False. The statements were done during beta cycle which lead to the release of The Bat! 4.1.11 [1] on Jan 22, 2009. So the rework after the release (see above) should have started in January 2009 and implemented in the next release (aka The Bat! 4.2.4). I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, shouldn’t we? ;-) this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:23 h (CET)] Moin! False. The statements were done during beta cycle which lead to the release of The Bat! 4.1.11 [1] on Jan 22, 2009. So the rework after the release (see above) should have started in January 2009 and implemented in the next release (aka The Bat! 4.2.4). this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nitpickers push smart alecks to high-performance.« – Mike M. Skura Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Volker, Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? Ill will is not hard to understand. Generally, there is no point in communicating clearly or not with people who have it. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? seems You care about IMAP only, but for example our customers requested version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in filtering system, version with fixed quick templates in massmail, version with fixed dragdrop etc. And this is 4.2. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:37:55 PM, you wrote: [Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:23 h (CET)] Moin! [snip] this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. But official statements can reflect good intentions, even when the plans don't always meet the planned schedule. This is true both in our private lives and in business. There is no fabrication, conscious deception or deceit involved. That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? I believe you will agree that my communication was very clear, Mein guter Mann (und ich denke, daß Sie ein guter Mann) sind. Cheers! VA And my best wishes to you, Volker! If we know that we all fail in some ways at times, then it makes no sense to be indignant when RitLabs fails to meet a deadline. I don't have an eye in the sky and a stopwatch over Moldava, but I believe the people at RitLabs work very hard to meet reasonable customer desires. When you get to the age of MAU and me, you will have more patience, probably! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 23:23, Marek Mikus wrote: was released now as requested bugfix version Who requested? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Montag, 8. Juni 2009 at 23:55, Marek Mikus wrote: but for example our customers requested version without problem with Well all this Problems are not in the last release? Then you should not have released the buggy version. or Are this problems which are collected over years? Then you didn't start in Time with fixing Problems. The Postponed sending - which has not been requested by many (unknown-to-me)customers - is another hole for bugs. Did you hear some people here said: No more features, fix the bugs. And if you wait until you have no time, no chance than breaking another promise to (known-to-me) customers - Thats bad! -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-08 · 23:55 h (CET)] this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? seems You care about IMAP only, You do not read carefully: I just really care about good communication and honesty. As I previously said: snip = mid:397284614.20090608113...@ahrendt.net Just for clarification: I am using four POP3 accounts and only one IMAP account. I have sometimes little problems (aka pet peeves) with IMAP, but no real showstoppers. But obviously there are a lot of people, who have *serious* problems with IMAP support. So, dear RITguys, please hear the voice of the customer! /snip but for example our customers requested version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in filtering system, version with fixed quick templates in massmail, version with fixed dragdrop etc. And this is 4.2. Like this one introduced with the last beta cycle? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7549 And I think that most of the people want the mentioned above information in preposition and *not* afterwards on inquiry. Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Sometimes smart alecks drive me nuts!« – Kira Skumme Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Jens Franik wrote: was released now as requested bugfix version Who requested? customers. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:00, Bob Riley wrote: this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! Who caused it to happen? Who is responsible for what he does? Who did it? Who did not know before - regardless people told him? Who did not want to hear people which work in IT and don't play dumb games...? I tell you, i could even explain to you, why i crash your car, after stealing you the key - Belive me, that is not my fault and i am not responsible... I came to my attention very late, that this is against laws and a crime - dont punish me! -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hi Marek! I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, shouldn’t we? ;-) this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. As I'm working at a software company myself I know that from time to time you have to change plans. That is not was worries me, it is the lack of communication from Ritlabs itself. Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first' would be enough for me (at least for a while). If you're the official voice of Ritlabs that's fine, but I doubt it. -- Regards, Raymund Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:23, Volker Ahrendt wrote: pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? Volker, i tell you: I am (not yet) but have been a Reseller for The Bat, not official, but i installed it to many customers, which bought licences for it (i tracked this). A Reseller and a IT Worker with Customers does not count! You maybe are Customer, but you have friends which ask you for the best eMail Client - tell them... it starts with T you know? A Lot of Software spreaded very quick by mouth to mouth propaganda. But what i recommand to anyone - i am responsible for. If i have no clue what comes next, i simply shut up. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On maandag 8 juni 2009, 11:55:39 PM Marek Mikus wrote, [... ] our customers requested version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in filtering system, version with fixed quick templates in massmail, version with fixed dragdrop etc. And this is 4.2. So, if I understand correctly, those customers requested fixes were discovered _after_ the release of version 4.1? Says a lot about the quality of the beta team[*], doesn't it? Arjan -- [*] Up and running! Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 at 00:30, Raymund Tump wrote: If you're the official voice of Ritlabs that's fine, but I doubt it. He already told us, that he is _not_ the official voice. But sometimes hears something more than we - maybe by phone or private mail. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.2.1.1 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.4 r47978 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Raymund Tump wrote: As I'm working at a software company myself I know that from time to time you have to change plans. That is not was worries me, it is the lack of communication from Ritlabs itself. Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first' would be enough for me (at least for a while). agree here If you're the official voice of Ritlabs that's fine, but I doubt it. no, I am not ;-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2009-06-09 · 00:00 h (CET)] Moin, Bob! Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. But official statements can reflect good intentions, even when the plans don't always meet the planned schedule. This is true both in our private lives and in business. There is no fabrication, conscious deception or deceit involved. As Raymund just wrote: .·¨[Raymund]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first' would be enough for me (at least for a while). ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? I believe you will agree that my communication was very clear, Mein guter Mann (und ich denke, daß Sie ein guter Mann) sind. I did not talk about your but RITLabs’ communication. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Raymund Tump« · 2009-06-09 · 00:30 h (CET)] Moin, Raymund! I do not want to be a nitpicker, but we should stick to the truth, shouldn’t we? ;-) this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first' would be enough for me (at least for a while). +1 – You wrote exactly what I just wanted to write! Thanks! :-) Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Bob Riley wrote: That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! and it is true, of course. This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST The new message list is still in under development, because the ST current release wasn't really planned - we had to make it because of ST some important fixes as you probably know, and it took much longer ST than we expected. I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2009-06-09 · 00:31 h (CET)] Moin, Jens! pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? Volker, i tell you: I am (not yet) but have been a Reseller for The Bat, not official, but i installed it to many customers, which bought licences for it (i tracked this). A Reseller and a IT Worker with Customers does not count! That makes this matter even worse! I am tired in every possible way … Good night! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Last Chance to See« Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:38 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. And a beta tester. So I have no right to get information in time? You cannot be serious! It is just ridiculous! Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nitpickers push smart alecks to high-performance.« – Mike M. Skura Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:38:59 PM, you wrote: [Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2009-06-09 · 00:00 h (CET)] Moin, Bob! I like that greeting! As Raymund just wrote: .·¨[Raymund]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— Just a simple 'Hey guys, we're still working on it, but needed to fix some urgent customer problems first' would be enough for me (at least for a while). ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— I agree with what Raymund said. It was very clear and succinct in advising RitLabs to communicate clearly and regularly with the beta list. I believe you will agree that my communication was very clear, Mein guter Mann (und ich denke, daß Sie ein guter Mann) sind. I did not talk about your but RITLabs’ communication. ;-) I know (and you know that I knew). I was just trying to 1) give an example of clear communication; and 2) rattle your cage a bit. You right-brained descendants of the Goths, Visigoths and Ostrogoths, not to mention the Teutons, need to learn to flow with the river's current sometimes! Better yet, learn to be chaotic at times like those of us with Irish genes! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:44 h (CET)] This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST The new message list is still in under development, because the ST current release wasn't really planned - we had to make it because of ST some important fixes as you probably know, and it took much longer ST than we expected. I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. This is indeed enough. But again: Why must we beg for such information? (No, I do not want an answer, it is again a rhetorical question.) Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.4 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Smart alecks are the roots of all evil.« – Mika M. Kruse Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hi Marek, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:44:30 PM, you wrote: That sounds entirely plausible and indeed likely! and it is true, of course. This is Stef's week old comment and even I have not authorization to publish his private message, I hope he will not punish me. ST The new message list is still in under development, because the ST current release wasn't really planned - we had to make it because of ST some important fixes as you probably know, and it took much longer ST than we expected. I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I agree. And I hope you are not spanked or excommunicated for speaking out of school about internal communications. I believe your quoting that message from Stefan was indeed helpful and should calm some nerves of folks on the list. Thank you for that. And I also hope that Stefan learns something in all this - please don't keep people in the dark when they are clearly distressed. Bob Riley -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hi Volker, Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:54:14 PM, you wrote: [Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-09 · 00:44 h (CET)] I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. This is indeed enough. But again: Why must we beg for such information? (No, I do not want an answer, it is again a rhetorical question.) Cheers! VA I thought you were going to bed! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Hello all, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: This is indeed enough. But again: Why must we beg for such information? (No, I do not want an answer, it is again a rhetorical question.) I do not know, maybe Stef wants to surprise betatesters with build, when it will be prepared to release. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Better yet, learn to be chaotic at times like those of us with Irish genes! Paddy and Murphy were in a pub yesterday, St. Patrick's day, getting really plastered and talking bar talk. Paddy looks meditatively at the ice cubes floating in his whiskey tonic and says, You know, lions have sex 10 or 15 times every night. Murphy slams his fist on the bar in disgust. Is that right? Damn, and I just joined the Elks. -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.2.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:23:43 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: this build called 4.2 was not planned in january and was released now as requested bugfix version with some additions and Postponed sending. This is the reason. If this is true, what will the excuse be in 4 or 5 months when 4.3 fixes the postponed settings, we can look forward to starting IMAP by the time 4.4 is released next June, since it is the one real version after the not planned version as the requested bugfix version, since I don't see many bugs fixed yet in 4.2. The few of us who have been waiting patiently since 2005 or earlier, instead of bolting to Apple, Linux, Incredimail, Thunderbird etc, could wait until 2011 before the promise will be perhaps officially broken? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:23:05 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: customers. those waiting on IMAP are not customers? (I only go back to 1.x) -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Monday, June 8, 2009, 4:55:39 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: seems You care about IMAP only, but for example our customers requested version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in filtering system, version with fixed quick templates in massmail, version with fixed dragdrop etc. And this is 4.2. windows 2008 server some how jumped the line behind the 2005 IMAP bug reports. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
I've tried to download the corrected .msi but I can not install it over the old 4.2.1.1 installation... By the way, I confirm the Tip of the day error. If I go in Help / Tip of the day, I get the Invalid image size error dialog. Then I click OK and I get an empty tip dialog with the option Display The Tip Of The Day at startup checked (it wasn't first !). If I clic Next tip or if I click Previous tip, I get Access violation at address 009553ED in the module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . -- Mackley TheBat Pro 4.2.1.1 english on MS Win XP Pro SP 2 italian Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Maxim Masiutin schrieb: Hello Tbbeta, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2.msi Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. regards Christian Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Christian, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 4:29:33 AM, you wrote: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Ouch! What is bugged in this version? And, What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I keep hearing, reading and observing endless complaints. If its a complaint, so be it. If its a real IMAP bug, report in bug track. IMAP works and it is functional. It may not be what you want, yet, it does work. If it's not working for you, maybe there is another client you should try for consideration. I grow weary of the blind shots that are not well documented simply listed here in the forum. Your message, ... totally useless version for using IMAP is in accurate because it does work. Put the concern in the bug track or give a link to the specific existing bug track item. Otherwise, enough of the generalizations and blind shots! I for one, just want to get on with testing and applying the product. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi, EJM What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? Reliability? Usability? EJM If its a complaint, so be it. If its a real IMAP bug, report in EJM bug track. Thank you. When did you last browse the bugtracker? It is full of IMAP bug reports, some of which have been - mostly without success - worked on, most of which have not. They date back for years. Most of the more recent reports (more recent with IMAP means not older than one or two years) apparently haven't even been assigned. EJM IMAP works and it is functional. It may not be what you want, yet, it EJM does work. So does nuclear fusion. Pity is, nobody can use it yet. EJM I for one, just want to get on with testing and applying the product. Suit yourself. Others, including me, would like to stop testing and finally get some work done. TheBat/IMAP has been Beta (who's going to be the first calling Alpha?) for over five years without any substantial progress being made. Promises, occasionally. Date and version estimates, sometimes. But progress you can lay your hand on - never. Me thinks you don't quite know what you're talking about. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de TheBat v4.1.11 pgphoN1sBc0be.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Ethan, A reminder of what Ethan J Mings typed on: Sunday, June 07, 2009 at 09:39:39 GMT -0400 EJM What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I keep hearing, reading and EJM observing endless complaints. If its a complaint, so be it. If its EJM a real IMAP bug, report in bug track. IMAP has numerous problems and many, such as message counters not showing correct number of messages, poor refreshing of accounts, and message queues stalling are well documented in bugtraq. However we have been told that once this new version was out that Ritlabs would be concentrating on IMAP problems. I had ceased filing bug reports for IMAP until this new work is started as it was understood that no work would be done on IMAP bugs until the major work on IMAP begins. I know it is annoying to see these comments constantly, but some of us are more patient than others and we have been waiting on improved IMAP for a long time. On the bright side the new version is out and IMAP fixes should be right around the corner. :-) -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v4.2.4 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hi Ethan, What is bugged in this version? Same bugs as in the last version as for IMAP at least. What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I deleted my IMAP account three times over the last week to get it usable again. For some reason the message queue stalled. This was persistent even with a newly created account. Seems that the queue is saved somewhere... When it finally started to work again (no idea why it did) it updated several folders without showing any activity in the connection manager. Not really something I call helpful. And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. The only reason that I'm still with The Bat! is that I really like the MicroEd. But with my major account not working from time to time this advantage gets smaller and smaller. -- Regards, Raymund -- Grüße, Raymund Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
On Sunday, June 7, 2009, 1:11:45 PM, Raymund Tump wrote: What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated as unread, is to close and re open the program. I have some outbox problems where messages either get trapped there, and never go out, or where messages get sent, but still appear in the outbox. Those are the most aggravating. The message counting and keeping track of what is read are really pretty serious flaws. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
On Sunday, June 7, 2009, 8:39:39 AM, Ethan J Mings wrote: What is it exactly that is required in IMAP? I keep hearing, reading and observing endless complaints. If its a complaint, so be it. If its a real IMAP bug, report in bug track. perhaps you haven't been paying attention? we were told that work on IMAP was coming, and it has been obvious that there was no point hoping anything was going to happen until the rework which has reportedly been done and soon to be offered for testing, so no one has been re-reporting complaints. If users were endlessly complaining we would be offering a litany of what wasn't fixed with each new beta, and you'd see what 'endless complaints' would be like. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.1.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
On zondag 7 juni 2009, 8:11:45 PM Raymund Tump wrote, And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. IIRC, IMAP development will be continued AFTER the establishment of the new database format. Which could mean anytime, from v. 4.1 onward until v. 68876589.3245234.12341231.00457734 onward. The only reason that I'm still with The Bat! is that I really like the MicroEd. But with my major account not working from time to time this advantage gets smaller and smaller. The only reason I'm still using TB! is its superior filtering-to-file capability. It has its flaws, but for me it's still the best method for non-attendance e-mail archiving. Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been reomoved] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello all, Monday, June 8, 2009, Arjan de Groot wrote: And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. nobody told this, 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IIRC, IMAP development will be continued AFTER the establishment of the new database format. Which could mean anytime, from v. 4.1 onward until v. 68876589.3245234.12341231.00457734 onward. and it continued, even it is not visible yet. I can not tell more, Stef should do clear statement. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:41:40 PM, you wrote: perhaps you haven't been paying attention? I've been paying close attention of a long period of time. I'm a long time member of the list. My point was focus on moving away from general statements to concrete points. we were told that work on IMAP was coming, and it has been obvious that there was no point hoping anything was going to happen until the rework which has reportedly been done and soon to be offered for testing, so no one has been re-reporting complaints. I understand the point on frustration. What I find continually frustrating is broad based general statements that are not substantiated. Being specific is, in my opinion, an important element of beta testing any piece of software. If users were endlessly complaining we would be offering a litany of what wasn't fixed with each new beta, and you'd see what 'endless complaints' would be like. As just mentioned, if something is not working, I hope that it will be added to the bug track or the issue would be added to an existing bug track point. Appreciate your follow up notes. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 7, 2009, 3:37:26 PM, you wrote: in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated as unread, is to close and re open the program. I have some outbox problems where messages either get trapped there, and never go out, or where messages get sent, but still appear in the outbox. Those are the most aggravating. The message counting and keeping track of what is read are really pretty serious flaws. That is concrete. Is it in the bug track? Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: The Bat! 4.2 release
in vista, the only way for message counts to be accurate, or for messages which may have been read at another venue to not be treated as unread, is to close and re open the program. I have some outbox problems where messages either get trapped there, and never go out, or where messages get sent, but still appear in the outbox. Those are the most aggravating. The message counting and keeping track of what is read are really pretty serious flaws. That is concrete. Is it in the bug track? Yes, it was reported 4 year ago: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4880 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Tbbeta, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2.msi -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Maxim, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi Installed fine. But... - Install wizard says 4.2 (Release Candidate) everywhere. - Splash and About screens show versions 4.2.1.1 - Control Panel 'Add/Remove Programs' show: The Bat! Professional v4.2 (Release Candidate). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Up and running here I've not noted differences between the previous .msi version -- Mackley Italy Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Mau, Saturday, June 06, 2009, 0:47:12, you wrote: - Install wizard says 4.2 (Release Candidate) everywhere. Thank you, I will reupload the correct MSI. - Splash and About screens show versions 4.2.1.1 This is OK. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-06-06 · 23:24 h (CET)]
Moin, Maxim!
www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi
- Installer Dialogs still reads TB! 4.2 (Release Candidate).
- Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone
Cheers!
VA
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Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Volker, - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
- Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here -- Mackley with MS Win XP Pro SP2 italian Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello MAU, Saturday, June 6, 2009, 5:47:12 PM, you wrote: M Installed fine. But... M - Install wizard says 4.2 (Release Candidate) everywhere. M - Splash and About screens show versions 4.2.1.1 M - Control Panel 'Add/Remove Programs' show: The Bat! Professional v4.2 M (Release Candidate). All confirmed. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Maxim, on Sunday, 7. June 2009, at 23:24:47 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding The Bat! 4.2 release: We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: Did i miss something or since when are 'Get messages for all' etc. in the Tools menu? -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 4.2.1.1 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 3 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
[Reply to: »MAU« · 2009-06-06 · 23:56 h (CET)] Moin, MAU! - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here. I did some more investigation: - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.1.1 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.2.rc1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Volker, - Tooltips in Statusbar of Message Editor are gone Not here. I did some more investigation: - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet I use English (never install any langpack) and it is working. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello all, Sunday, June 7, 2009, Volker Ahrendt wrote: - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet I have teste English and Czech and both are working here in same way -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.1.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-06-07 · 00:26 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet I have teste English and Czech and both are working here in same way I re-downloaded msi file and re-installed The Bat! (now without Release Candidate text strings!) = Now it works again. I do not know, what was wrong with my first try. Thanks! Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using /\^o^/\! 4.2.1.1 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Smart alecks are the roots of all evil.« – Mika M. Kruse Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hello Maxim, - Install wizard says 4.2 (Release Candidate) everywhere. Thank you, I will reupload the correct MSI. It is OK now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Hi MAU, Saturday, June 6, 2009, 4:21:45 PM, you wrote: - at least Italian, Spanish and Dutch are working - at least English, German, Polish are not working - other languages not tested, yet I use English (never install any langpack) and it is working. Mine installed fine in English, including checking the Run TB box at the end of the installation. Under Help-About, it shows TB Home Edition, Version 4.2.1.1 I think it started very quickly, by the way. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.2.1.1 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.1.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
