Spam
Hi Bat Users, There seems to be a lot of talk about spam filtering and even suggestions for using extra programs. Has anyone setup a good working Spam filter that he or she would be willing to share with this group? I only filter on the absence of my email address in the to field. It's crude but is works pretty well except for certain mailing lists I subscribe to. Therefore I have to put filters for these lists ahead of my Spam filter. Actually my Spam filter comes almost last in line. Who has an y good suggestions? -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- I am Homer of Borg. You will... Oh! Donuts! Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: add/modify Header fields
Hello Gerard, Saturday, January 12, 2002, 7:48:37 AM, you wrote: GdV I have been receiving emails with all sorts of header fields, like GdV X-Orcpt:,X-Envelope-To:,Precedence:, etc. GdV My question is can I make my own and/or modify existing ones? Agent: http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php allows modification of certain fields. Servers along the way can add header information. The only client that I know of that allows you to create your own is Quicksilver: http://quicksilver.skuz.net/ -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A pgp key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: 1.53t
Hello Ottar, 13. januar 2002, 8:40:41, you wrote: OG ZipMagic www.mijenix.com handles rar-files and allow you to use OG zip-files as folders so you can run programs from them and open OG files wothout unziping to a seperate folder first. Nice. So does 7-zip www.7-zip.com (and it's own archive format is much tighter than RAR or ACE) -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say. -- Durant's Discovery -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
Hello Gerard, 13. januar 2002, 9:59:08, you wrote: GdV I only filter on the absence of my email address in the to field. It's GdV crude but is works pretty well except for certain mailing lists I GdV subscribe to. Therefore I have to put filters for these lists ahead of GdV my Spam filter. Actually my Spam filter comes almost last in line. GdV Who has an y good suggestions? So far all the SPAM I received contained a number of spaces in the subject, and some had the X-Mailer: header set to mailer . So far there were no false positives and no misses. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] A lone dime always gets the number nearly right. -- Phone Booth Rule -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 1.53t
On 13 January 2002 at 09:12 Jernej wrote: Hello Ottar, 13. januar 2002, 8:40:41, you wrote: OG ZipMagic www.mijenix.com handles rar-files and allow you to use OG zip-files as folders so you can run programs from them and open OG files wothout unziping to a seperate folder first. Nice. So does 7-zip www.7-zip.com (and it's own archive format is much tighter than RAR or ACE) Thanks! As well as installing 7-zip I've deleted WinZip and WinRAR (two fine examples of user interface design, I write sarcastically ;) Nice things come in threes :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: add/modify Header fields
ON Sunday, January 13, 2002, 10:28:15 AM, you wrote: Scott Hello Gerard, Scott Saturday, January 12, 2002, 7:48:37 AM, you wrote: GdV I have been receiving emails with all sorts of header fields, like GdV X-Orcpt:,X-Envelope-To:,Precedence:, etc. GdV My question is can I make my own and/or modify existing ones? Scott Agent: Scott http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php Scott allows modification of certain fields. Servers along the way Scott can add header information. The only client that I know of that Scott allows you to create your own is Quicksilver: Scott http://quicksilver.skuz.net/ Hi Scott, I know why and how they are used, it's just that I see more and more of these appear. I can understand the benefit of being able to add your own specific header field(s), specially when you run a list server of your email program, but also info that could be used by the recipient to filter on. This list could have a header like: X-List: The BAT, and we could all filter on it :-0 Funny thing is I was a Agent user before I switched to TB but never found the header altering functions. -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andres S. Tannenbaum Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: add/modify Header fields
Hello Gerard! On 12 Jan 2002 at 21:34:45 you wrote: That's why we need to move on and stop working on better versions of 1.53. OK, to clear it up a bit. RITLabs is actually working on a version with a working title 1.54. The put in a lot of features wished for and promised for v2. Due to some comments by Maxim we know that v2 is scheduled for the first quarter of 2002. Some of us suggested - it was also mentioned as an educated guess - that the current beta will be the first v2. RITLabs even thought of publishing a new official release before Christmas but was talked out of it unanimously by members of the beta list. If you are interested in the development join the beta list and even try out beta 26 which is quite good. Actually most betas from RITLabs up to now have been much more useful and stable than many release products by other companies. Since I use TB professionally I am very reluctant to try a beta version, although I switched to the t version of 1.53 and I appreciate the effort of the programmers to make a bug free program. Although t is only available through the beta page it is not a beta. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/26 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: add/modify Header fields
Bonjour Gerard, Samedi, le 12 janvier 2002 à 18h08 [GMT +0100] (ce qui correspond à 18h08 ici où j'habite), Gerard De Vries =[GDV] a écrit à Roelof Otten on tbudl : GdV I have been receiving emails with all sorts of header fields, like GdV X-Orcpt:,X-Envelope-To:,Precedence:, etc. GdV My question is can I make my own and/or modify existing ones? Roelof TB offers the possibility to create a Comments: header, in your own Roelof messages of course. Roelof Apart from that TB only offers the possibility to alter the standard Roelof headers like To: and From:. GDV Thanks, I already had found those options. GDV Maybe this is something to put on the Whish list? But a prog specially create for theBat! exist for (also) change header field (kludge): Xray http://www.xrayapp.com/ by Alex Sanyukovitch Alex is ready for implemented xray in thebat! when theBat! will support plugin -- Bien à vous, Alexis Haeringer mailto:ginkyo[arobase]gmx.fr (alias ginkyo) Ma clef PGP : mailto:pgp1[arobase]ginkyo.org -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Templates
Bonjour Jan, Samedi, le 12 janvier 2002 à 08h54 [GMT -0500] (ce qui correspond à 14h54 ici où j'habite), Jan Rifkinson =[JR] a écrit à Luc : JR Ultimately, IMO, all templates should be made up of JR $INCLUDEs. But if Account.qtn could be in Human Readable Format (for remake up) it will be VERY more simple... -- Bien à vous, Alexis Haeringer mailto:ginkyo[arobase]gmx.fr (alias ginkyo) Ma clef PGP : mailto:pgp1[arobase]ginkyo.org -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
SPAM from a Bat User
Hello all! You know, it really stinks to see that I got SPAM that was sent via a registered Business user of The Bat! :- Windows 98 version 4 : 10 (Built to bleed) The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 Best regard, Gerry Doyon -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: add/modify Header fields
ON Sunday, January 13, 2002, 12:55:28 PM, you wrote: Alexis Bonjour Gerard, Alexis Samedi, le 12 janvier 2002 à 18h08 [GMT +0100] (ce qui correspond à Alexis 18h08 ici où j'habite), Gerard De Vries =[GDV] a écrit à Roelof Otten on tbudl : GdV I have been receiving emails with all sorts of header fields, like GdV X-Orcpt:,X-Envelope-To:,Precedence:, etc. GdV My question is can I make my own and/or modify existing ones? Roelof TB offers the possibility to create a Comments: header, in your own Roelof messages of course. Roelof Apart from that TB only offers the possibility to alter the standard Roelof headers like To: and From:. GDV Thanks, I already had found those options. GDV Maybe this is something to put on the Whish list? AlexisBut a prog specially create for theBat! exist for (also) change Alexisheader field (kludge): AlexisXray http://www.xrayapp.com/ by Alex Sanyukovitch AlexisAlex is ready for implemented xray in thebat! when theBat! will Alexissupport plugin Hi Alexis, Thanks for the link to X-Ray. I have read the description and it sounds exactly like what I requested. I downloaded the file and will be trying it out shortly. Plugin's.. would be nice if you get sufficient support. -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- Bumper sticker - Cover me. I'm changing lanes. Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SPAM from a Bat User
Hello Gerry, hi list, On Sunday, January 13, 2002 'Gerry Doyon' wrote: You know, it really stinks to see that I got SPAM that was sent via a registered Business user of The Bat! :- Windows 98 version 4 : 10 (Built to bleed) The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 Re you sure? You know, everybody can change its X-Mailer header. But although, why should a good software only for good guys? ;-) -- Greetings, Nils Using The Bat! 1.53t on Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SPAM from a Bat User
Hello Nills, NHml Hello Gerry, hi list, NHml On Sunday, January 13, 2002 'Gerry Doyon' wrote: You know, it really stinks to see that I got SPAM that was sent via a registered Business user of The Bat! :- Windows 98 version 4 : 10 (Built to bleed) The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 NHml Re you sure? You know, everybody can change its X-Mailer header. You are correct. It was listed as The Bat! (v1.52f) Business. But, if I were to send SPAM I would blank out the X-Mailer. Yet again, if I did that then it would be easy to send that mail right to the trash can if it didn't have an X-Mailer. Bottom line, I guess I may have jumped to incorrect conclusions. NHml But although, why should a good software only for good guys? ;-) True, but it is almost like a family member getting in trouble. :-) 1.54 Beta/28 running on Windows 98 467766222 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Spam
Hello Jernej, 13 Jan 2002, 4:41:38 am, you wrote: JS So far all the SPAM I received contained a number of spaces in the JS subject, and some had the X-Mailer: header set to mailer . So far JS there were no false positives and no misses. How exactly would you set up the SPAM filter to move a message that does NOT have an X-Mailer line in the header to a SPAM filter? I see no otpion to select X-Mailer in the Location pull down for the filter setup. Thanks! -- Best regards, Gerrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SPAM from a Bat User
Hello Gerry! On 13 Jan 2002 at 2:11:11 pm you wrote: You are correct. It was listed as The Bat! (v1.52f) Business. But, if I were to send SPAM I would blank out the X-Mailer. Yet again, if I did that then it would be easy to send that mail right to the trash can if it didn't have an X-Mailer. As we had like incidents scattered through the last year I conclude that some spammers use specialised mailing lists to gather addresses. They then change their headers in such a way that the members may think they get a legitimate message - obviously this scheme doesn't really work, but ... Spammers are a bit like criminals: You have to be Lazy *and* stupid to be one. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Da, wo der Wille groß ist, können die Schwierigkeiten nicht groß sein. (Niccolo Machiavelli) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SPAM from a Bat User
Hello Gerry, hi list, On Sunday, January 13, 2002 'Gerry Doyon' wrote: NHml But although, why should a good software only for good guys? ;-) True, but it is almost like a family member getting in trouble. :-) You're right! Especially these lists are are a small little family! I love you, and your help in dark hours... -- Greetings, Nils Using The Bat! 1.53t on Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Gerry, On 13 Jan 2002 at 08:20:22 -0500, Gerry Doyon [GD] wrote concerning 'Spam': ... GD How exactly would you set up the SPAM filter to move a message that does GD NOT have an X-Mailer line in the header to a SPAM filter? I see no otpion GD to select X-Mailer in the Location pull down for the filter GD setup. Use this: String Location Presence X-MailerKludges No - -- Best regards, David ** This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/28] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPEGA7FK9yf5+yp9NEQJpuACgqccRDuTjrcP4xq1S0fZUWiSb8cUAnRIM pFtVJZmgDDevFGZxKaz22JEW =LsOr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
Hello Gerard, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 8:59:08 AM, you wrote: Hi Bat Users, There seems to be a lot of talk about spam filtering and even suggestions for using extra programs. Has anyone setup a good working Spam filter that he or she would be willing to share with this group? I only filter on the absence of my email address in the to field. It's crude but is works pretty well except for certain mailing lists I subscribe to. Therefore I have to put filters for these lists ahead of my Spam filter. Actually my Spam filter comes almost last in line. That's more or less how mine is setup and it works for about 90% of spam. Additionally like you I have to put in extra bits for one or two lists. One in particular I have to add Envelope-to: my@emailaddress Kludges Presence NO As I have my own domain name as well I can have [EMAIL PROTECTED] which a lot of my friends know about and often send stuff to silly names like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which makes filtering a pain in the butt. :) Who has an y good suggestions? I'm also noticing a marked increase in the last year of small scale spaming by individuals, who from the names gathered are trawling certain mailing lists and newsgroups and then inserting a whole bunch of addresses into the CC: field. These I deal with swiftly by forwarding the mail to the relevant ISP/provider and in a lot of cases it has got their email account pulled. I also send a strongly worded (legal sounding, I'm no lawyer :) reply to the originator warning them that any future junk posts from them will charged at £100 per k for wasting my bandwidth and legal fees. While this may not stop those who know it's a bluff it can and has put the wind of God up some amateurs. I've even got sorry replies from two, yes really. I've had this happen on a couple of mailing lists I run at Yahoo Groups and have dealt with it swiftly by banning them, informing Yahoo and their ISP. I also have spam filtering at my main domain host in place which catches most viruses and junk, it never gets as far as my mailbox which came in handy when some bright spark decided to try and mail bomb me. It's a shame that my other two ISP's don't have this. As for other good suggestions. Well this very subject came up on another list and one idea put forward was to feed the spammers each others addresses, which if everyone did correctly and for long enough would render spaming to be a useless exercise. That's the theory. :) -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Spam
Hello David, 13 Jan 2002, 8:43:19 am, you wrote: DvZ ... GD How exactly would you set up the SPAM filter to move a message that does GD NOT have an X-Mailer line in the header to a SPAM filter? I see no otpion GD to select X-Mailer in the Location pull down for the filter GD setup. DvZ Use this: DvZ String Location Presence DvZ X-MailerKludges No Thanks a lot :-) -- Best regards, Gerrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Spam
Hello David, 13. januar 2002, 14:43:19, you wrote: DvZ String Location Presence DvZ X-MailerKludges No Yes, but I use this: StringLocation Presence X-Mailer: mailer KludgesYes -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent. -- Ninety-ninety Rule of Project Schedules -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Benefits of registration?
Hello Randy, On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:20:18 +0100 (MET) GMT (12/01/02, 10:20 +0800 GMT), Randy Burns wrote: RB I don't know about any upcoming versions, but I have to say that the current RB user's guide book (in the the boxed version) is not much help at all. Please let me know where you got this boxed version, and especially the guide book. I have never seen one of those. -- Cheers, Thomas. Here's an image of the boxed version: http://www.wska.com/scripts/DetailProd.exe?CODE_PROD=uk-batCOUNTRY=Portugal I ordered mine from cifnet.com in the USA. Randy P.S. Ironically, one of the few things that I don't use The Bat for is the TBUDL list. I use GMX as a volume-controlling pre-filter. -- R Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: 1.53t
It was foretold that on 13-1-2002 @ 08:40:41 GMT+0100 (which was 8:40 where I live) Ottar Grimstad wrote and spread these wise comments on 1.53t: OG Hello Maurice, OG Sunday, January 13, 2002, 8:01:23 AM, you wrote to TBUDL: MS May I suggest switching to 'PowerArchiver' MS (http://www.powerarchiver.com/) ? It can do all the things that MS WinZip can, but supports much more types of archives. After I MS tried it, I virtually immediately trashed WinZip and haven't MS looked back since. OG ZipMagic www.mijenix.com handles rar-files and allow you to use OG zip-files as folders so you can run programs from them and open OG files wothout unziping to a seperate folder first. Nice. www.winace.com handles all files, has a neat interface and is simple to use -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Thought for the day : Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. -- Mahatma Gandhi. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
HTML based emails
Hello TBUDL, I'm new to Bat and trying to find an alternative to Outlook etc. Bat looks good except that when receiving emails with HTML included (animated gifs etc), Bat shows the fields (pics/graphics)within the incoming email as being blank. Is this intentional or am I missing something? -- Best regards, Colin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Colin It will display images that are sent inline, ie with the message. Images that are remote will be represented via placeholders. If you want to see the html rendered properly you can easily open the page via your browser. IMHO this is most defintely a good thing. Terry Fritts the Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 --- On 13 Jan 2002 you wrote: CG Bat looks good except that when receiving emails with HTML included CG (animated gifs etc), Bat shows the fields (pics/graphics)within the CG incoming email as being blank. CG Is this intentional or am I missing something? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Benefits of registration?
Hello Randy, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:31:51 +0100 (MET) GMT (14/01/02, 00:31 +0800 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let me know where you got this boxed version, and especially the guide book. I have never seen one of those. rbgn Here's an image of the boxed version: rbgn http://www.wska.com/scripts/DetailProd.exe?CODE_PROD=uk-batCOUNTRY=Portugal Thanks. One day, I'll find a way to get my hands on the giude book. ;-) rbgn P.S. Ironically, one of the few things that I don't use The Bat for is the rbgn TBUDL list. I use GMX as a volume-controlling pre-filter. I don't quite understand how you do it. I use the GMX web interface only when I'm travelling, as I find it rather tedious to read mail in the browser. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf Nytol Schlafmittel: Achtung: Kann Muedigkeit verursachen Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hello Colin, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 5:06:51 PM, you wrote: CG Hello TBUDL, CG I'm new to Bat and trying to find an alternative to Outlook etc. CG Bat looks good except that when receiving emails with HTML included CG (animated gifs etc), Bat shows the fields (pics/graphics)within the CG incoming email as being blank. CG Is this intentional or am I missing something? Sorry all, I've sold the problem insofar as I understand Bat cannot act like a web browser. Shame really but I know there are argumments for and against. Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button that effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
Hi, Gerard. GdV Has anyone setup a good working Spam filter that he or she would GdV be willing to share with this group? GdV GdV I only filter on the absence of my email address in the to field. GdV It ... works pretty well except for certain mailing lists I GdV subscribe to ... I have to put filters for these lists ahead of GcV my Spam filter. I use a similar technique that has 4 different types of filters: 1. Messages from Senders in my address book. My address book has a single entry called Mailing Lists that contains, in the E-Mail address(es) field, a list of the Sender addresses of *all* the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed. 2. Messages from mailing lists without a reliable Sender address. This filter contains segments of addresses from mailing lists that either change their Sender address with every message or have a variety of different Sender addresses. Ex: amazon.com, ebay.com, etc. The Sender segments are separated by |, the OR symbol. 3. Messages from identifiable spam Senders. Such messages are routed to Trash. 4. Everything else is sent to a Probably Spam folder. This strategy works very well and is simple to maintain. regards, Andy [Using The Bat! 1.53t under Windows 2000 Pro SP2 on a made from scratch PIII-500 MHz/384 MB RAM] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hi Colin, On 13 Jan 2002 at 17:26:44 [GMT +], you wrote: CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button CG that effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. What would you need a tab/button for, if you can simply double click the HTML file and have it opened in your system default browser? -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hello Colin, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:26:44 + GMT (14/01/02, 01:26 +0800 GMT), Colin Grant wrote: CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button that CG effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. This button already exists. If you receive a mail in HTML, there is an HTML icon next to the message you see. Double-click on it, and it will be shown in your favourite browser; the browser will then download the off-line images. If you do not see this HTML icon, activate in the main menu: View / Attached Files / Show Automatically. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Colin, On 13 Jan 2002 at 17:26:44 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning 'HTML based emails': ... CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a CG tab/button that effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view CG the html. That's a feature that's already there. Just double click on the html attachment (message.htm) and it opens in your default browser. - -- Best regards, David ** 007 of Borg: Assimilations are Forever. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/28] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPEG4cFK9yf5+yp9NEQIjtQCeMdG54KgLnSev7ZUMUTtWyzfzp78AnjcU cTesrk3mGgJYrpggEP1W1wOL =8jZK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML based emails
Hello Lars, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 5:35:33 PM, you wrote: LG Hi Colin, LG On 13 Jan 2002 at 17:26:44 [GMT +], you wrote: CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button CG that effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. LG What would you need a tab/button for, if you can simply double click the LG HTML file and have it opened in your system default browser? Hi Lars, you are absolutely right, of course. I must ba half asleep. Thanks -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML based emails
Hello Thomas, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 5:36:17 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Colin, TF On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:26:44 + GMT (14/01/02, 01:26 +0800 GMT), TF Colin Grant wrote: CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button that CG effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. TF This button already exists. If you receive a mail in HTML, there is an TF HTML icon next to the message you see. Double-click on it, and it will TF be shown in your favourite browser; the browser will then download the TF off-line images. TF If you do not see this HTML icon, activate in the main menu: View / TF Attached Files / Show Automatically. Thanks, Thomas. I've got it now. -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML based emails
Hello David, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 5:40:12 PM, you wrote: DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DvZ Hash: SHA1 DvZ Hello Colin, DvZ On 13 Jan 2002 at 17:26:44 +, Colin Grant [CG] wrote concerning DvZ 'HTML based emails': DvZ ... CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a CG tab/button that effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view CG the html. DvZ That's a feature that's already there. Just double click on the html DvZ attachment (message.htm) and it opens in your default browser. DvZ - -- DvZ Best regards, DvZ David DvZ ** 007 of Borg: Assimilations are Forever. ** DvZ [TB! 1.54 Beta/28] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] DvZ [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- DvZ Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 DvZ Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key DvZ iQA/AwUBPEG4cFK9yf5+yp9NEQIjtQCeMdG54KgLnSev7ZUMUTtWyzfzp78AnjcU DvZ cTesrk3mGgJYrpggEP1W1wOL DvZ =8jZK DvZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks, David -- Best regards, Colinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: 1.53t - OT
Hello Luc, 13. januar 2002, 18:04:25, you wrote: L www.winace.com handles all files, has a neat interface and is simple L to use It's interface is much too bloated IMO, and it doesn't have a usable command-line version (console version - it always opens the GUI window). Even though it compresses better and faster than RAR, I like RAR better (much better GUI, and excellent command line version). This has probably gone off-topic, so I'm cross-posting this to TBOT. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] If at first you don't succeed read the manual. -- Montgomery's Maxim -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: registration key
Hello Joseph! JM I have the same problem. I sent a note to ritlabs on the 7th but I JM think they may have a blackhole over there as I never got a reply. I've managed your registration key to be re-sent to you. -- Maxim Masiutin http://www.ritlabs.com/ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML based emails
Hello Colin, Sunday, January 13, 2002, 11:26:44 AM, you wrote: CG Bat looks good except that when receiving emails with HTML CG included (animated gifs etc), Bat shows the fields CG (pics/graphics)within the incoming email as being blank. CG Is this intentional or am I missing something? Intentional, as far as I can tell: No auto-executing of anything! YAY! CG Sorry all, I've sold the problem insofar as I understand Bat cannot CG act like a web browser. Shame really but I know there are argumments CG for and against. CG Parhaps, for the future, a nice touch would be to have a tab/button that CG effectively launches iInternet Explorer to view the html. Gee, all I have to do is double-click on the attached HTML document and it opens my browser. You might want to give that a try! Easy to prevent auto-infection that way. You have to voluntarily open the attachment! -- Best regards, Geordonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Benefits of registration?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joe Thank you for your email dated Saturday, January 12, 2002, 10:49:36 PM, in which you wrote: JF PS: I bet there's a way for TB to do my taxes for me, too I thought there was a plug-in for that... - -- Regards William PGP spoken here - email me for my Public Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.53d Windows 98SE A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPEH1aGfaTk6DH8jCEQIBWwCbBlOc5tMl/qdOLiCzyXbYY5c9O4YAn1PM wyH5d8si0d7v/ZTbvuzortrR =20jA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Multi-part QT's?
Is it possible to create multi-part QT's? I would like to have a template that would look right to users of text-only email clients, but to users of Outlook and Notes would have enriched text. I'm not interested in HTML, just having a couple of frames with .tif logos/addresses and the smooth appearance that Outlook provides. PLEASE don't start an HTML/non-HTML war here. The clients to whom I'd be sending mail on these templates do not have bandwidth concerns, and I'm not interested in web bugs, animations, or phoning home with anything. JN -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Re[2]: HTML based emails
1/13/2002 3:56:59 PM, Geordon VanTassle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all. I'm new to the list, so I figured no better way to join in than to fuel a good controversy. :) Gee, all I have to do is double-click on the attached HTML document and it opens my browser. You might want to give that a try! Easy to prevent auto-infection that way. You have to voluntarily open the attachment! I totally agree that this method is totally safe, and *relatively* easy, however: I preview my mail with PopTray (yes, I know The Bat supports it as well), and also run virus protection. When I choose to retrieve messages, I have already taken a number of steps to feel secure in what I'm retrieving. At that point, I prefer that the mail client *not* do the thinking for me, and let me do what I want, which is to view an inline HTML message the way it was designed, with zero extra steps. Despite all of the very good arguments for sending text only messages, there *are* times when I choose to send an HTML message. I purchased The Bat quite a long time ago, and rate it among the very best mail clients out there, however I don't use it with any regularity at all. Why? Because The Bat insists on telling me what's good for me, instead of providing options (not defaults) for HTML composition and true on the fly inline HTML message rendering. At this moment, I'm composing this from Opera 6's e-mail client, because being integrated into the browser, it's so very convenient. Generally though, I use PocoMail. In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but nobody works harder than PocoMail's author at accomodating user requests in the mail client. HTML is nothing new, and despite the wishes of some, it's not going to go away. When The Bat makes the leap into the new world, I will almost certainly use it again, as so much of everything else that it does is virtually perfect. Oh, why did I join the list? To see why the heck there's a beta-a-day. :) Mark -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Chech mail for all (dosent)!
Hello TBUDL, To check the mail for all of my accounts I usually select the down-arrow to the immediate right of the blue Get new mail icon which has the short-cut of Alt-F2. I have discovered that this will not check all of my (11) mail accounts. Could you please tell me why this may be? and What I could/should do to enable Check mail for All for al e-mail accounts? (I'm using version 1.51) -- Thanks very much in anticipation, Henry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Chech mail for all (dosent)!
Hi Henry, On 13 Jan 2002 at 08:29:54 [GMT +1100], you wrote: HH To check the mail for all of my accounts I usually select the HH down-arrow to the immediate right of the blue Get new mail icon HH which has the short-cut of Alt-F2. HH I have discovered that this will not check all of my (11) mail HH accounts. There's an option in the properties of each account, under 'Options', 'Ignore Check all accounts request'. Have a look if your accounts which are not checked have this option enabled. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Chech mail for all (dosent)!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 1:29:54 PM PST, Henry Harte wrote: What I could/should do to enable Check mail for All for al e-mail accounts? Hello Henry, For each account, in Account Properties/Options, there is an option to Ignore 'Check All Accounts' request. Just be sure that this option is not enabled for all accounts you want checked via Alt+F2. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.10 iD8DBQE8Qf8hjVbXUvsE8ukRAr5wAKDi8j7NeH0oKwoelmP9VYGLB8WbmACgitT4 W9QmjX+wT06+xI1DG3jrPIs= =+ECc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Chech mail for all (dosent)!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Henry, On 13 Jan 2002 at 08:29:54 +1100, Henry Harte [HH] wrote concerning 'Chech mail for all (dosent)!': ... HH What I could/should do to enable Check mail for All for al HH e-mail accounts? Maybe you should check in your account properties of your accounts if that account is ignored when doing a check all request. You can find this under Options. - -- Best regards, David ** Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/28] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPEHyAFK9yf5+yp9NEQKtSACg0ID/jeAZZaIeHp7GSKxrSTR/gLQAnRmv Vka0LBJWVCJiRr56QKgN/I4I =zp3o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
ON Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:13:23 PM, you wrote: Jernej Hello David, Jernej 13. januar 2002, 14:43:19, you wrote: Jernej Yes, but I use this: Jernej StringLocation Presence Jernej X-Mailer: mailer KludgesYes Hi Jernej, How would that prevent spam and what would you put in for 'mailer'? -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- ...there's nothing that we can do to them that they don't already do themselves and they do things we've never even thought of, often involving electrodes. They've got what we lack. They've got imagination. And electricity, of course. -- Good Omens (Terry Pratchett Neil Gaiman) Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Spam
Hello Gerard, 13. januar 2002, 22:51:10, you wrote: GdVHow would that prevent spam and what would you put in for 'mailer'? I'm trying to tell, that I get SPAM, which has headers, which look like this: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from planja.arnes.si (planja.arnes.si [193.2.1.92]) by razor.arnes.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC25E9C6 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:38:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from alexandria3.unixhoster.com (unknown [66.78.6.237]) by planja.arnes.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8D663D4C for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:38:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from nobody by alexandria3.unixhoster.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Hiam-0001PF-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:37:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 03:36:19 -0600 (GMT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: adv-Can you use extra money to pay for Christmas? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mailer -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: b7f6b3c3e673f7487ad9d3476ae6ca62 -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] Beware of the physician who is great at getting out of trouble. -- Matz's Warning -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[4]: Benefits of registration?
Sunday, January 13, 2002, 3:00:35 PM, you wrote: Hello Joe Thank you for your email dated Saturday, January 12, 2002, 10:49:36 PM, in which you wrote: JF PS: I bet there's a way for TB to do my taxes for me, too I thought there was a plug-in for that... That really wouldn't surprise me one little bit, William. TB has all kinds of nice little surprises. Unfortunately, they're often well-hidden ones. -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam
ON Sunday, January 13, 2002, 11:09:19 PM, you wrote: Jernej 13. januar 2002, 22:51:10, you wrote: GdVHow would that prevent spam and what would you put in for 'mailer'? Jernej I'm trying to tell, that I get SPAM, which has headers, which look Jernej like this: Jernej X-Mailer: mailer -- That makes sense then :-0 It is good of you to have noticed this one. -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- I don't think, I know. I don't try, I succeed. Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Netscape 6 automation
Hi folks, can someone help me to make Netscape6 open The Bat automatically when I click mailto link? Thanks a lot Best Regards, Alex -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Changing received message subject
I've got a load of archive messages from a mailing list and they all have the subject Re: your command request which isn't very helpful! Is there a way of changing the subject of a received message, other than redirecting the message to myself and changing it then? They are digests about half a meg each so this isn't ideal! Thanks! John -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Netscape 6 automation
This is an educated guess of an answer Netscape is built around an open source, widely collaborated-upon program called Mozilla, to which Nescape allocates substantial staff hours. I haven't used Netscape 6.x, but I have used the Mozilla browser and mail/newsreader programs on which Netscape 6.1 and 6.2 are based. In Mozilla, what you are trying to do cannot be done. The only way to use the Mozilla--and presumably the Netscape--browser but to have a mailto: link invoke The Bat! is to completely uninstall the browser and related program modules, then reinstall on a custom install. Do not install the Netscape mail/newsreader module. After installation, be sure that TB! is the default mail program (in Win98, Start/Settings/Control Panel/Internet Options/Programs), and then be sure that TB!'s support for Simple MAPI is installed (somewhere in the TB! configuration options). At that point, clicking on a mailto: link in Netscape should give you TB! (Note that you can set which TB! account to respond to a mailto: call, or you can leave it unselected and select on the fly.) HTH JN Alexandre Dobrinov wrote on Sunday, January 13, 2002: Hi folks, can someone help me to make Netscape6 open The Bat automatically when I click mailto link? Thanks a lot -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Netscape 6 automation
Thanks a lot Joseph, i ll try to reinstall as explained. One thing though... i could manage to configure NS 4.x to invoke TB, but not NS6.x. Why is that and whats the basic difference? Thanks again -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fax (USA) : +1-786-5518285 fax (UK) : +44-870-1335667 tel/fax (Germany) : +49-89-1488209072 GSM: +359-87-526638 - This is an educated guess of an answer Netscape is built around an open source, widely collaborated-upon program called Mozilla, to which Nescape allocates substantial staff hours. I haven't used Netscape 6.x, but I have used the Mozilla browser and mail/newsreader programs on which Netscape 6.1 and 6.2 are based. In Mozilla, what you are trying to do cannot be done. The only way to use the Mozilla--and presumably the Netscape--browser but to have a mailto: link invoke The Bat! is to completely uninstall the browser and related program modules, then reinstall on a custom install. Do not install the Netscape mail/newsreader module. After installation, be sure that TB! is the default mail program (in Win98, Start/Settings/Control Panel/Internet Options/Programs), and then be sure that TB!'s support for Simple MAPI is installed (somewhere in the TB! configuration options). At that point, clicking on a mailto: link in Netscape should give you TB! (Note that you can set which TB! account to respond to a mailto: call, or you can leave it unselected and select on the fly.) HTH JN Alexandre Dobrinov wrote on Sunday, January 13, 2002: Hi folks, can someone help me to make Netscape6 open The Bat automatically when I click mailto link? Thanks a lot -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
connection centre
Hi Group, is it possible to make the Connection Centre appear when send/receiving email, but not to display in the taskbar ? thanks Best Regards, Alex -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Netscape 6 automation
NS 4.x is coded very differently from 6.x in many respects. (Actually, 6.0 is significantly different from 6.1, too.) The best place to learn the differences, if you're interested, is one of the Netscape or Mozilla public newsgroups. JN Alexandre Dobrinov wrote on Sunday, January 13, 2002: Thanks a lot Joseph, i ll try to reinstall as explained. One thing though... i could manage to configure NS 4.x to invoke TB, but not NS6.x. Why is that and whats the basic difference? Thanks again -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
[OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:24:39 PM, GeekMaster wrote: G on the fly inline HTML message rendering. At this moment, I'm composing this from Opera 6's e-mail G client, because being integrated into the browser, it's so very convenient. Generally though, I use G PocoMail. In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but nobody works harder than PocoMail's G author at accomodating user requests in the mail client. HTML is nothing new, and despite the wishes of G some, it's not going to go away. When The Bat makes the leap into the new world, I will almost G certainly use it again, as so much of everything else that it does is virtually perfect. I'm just curious if anyone could give me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The Bat! I'm a registered user of The Bat! that came from Pegasus so I'm just curious what some users of it think of it compared to The Bat!. If this is too off topic I apologize and feel free to mail me off list. Mail clients interest me and I'll probably download pocomail just for the fun of it, but figured I'd get some opinions first if anyone had any. -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're a young Mafia gangster out on your first date, I bet it's real embarrassing if someone tries to kill you. -Jack Handey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Changing received message subject
On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 6:19:47 PM, John Kennett wrote: JK Is there a way of changing the subject of a received message, other JK than redirecting the message to myself and changing it then? They are JK digests about half a meg each so this isn't ideal! Well, since someone helped me with this yesterday, I'll return the favor:) TB has the excellent memo feature, which I like better than altering the subject (which I used to do in Pegasus mail). Just highlight the message and press ctrl-shift-I and a memo box appears. Type in whatever you want and then make sure to have the memo field in view as a column and you'll see your memo there. ( To select the columns go to view then Message List Columns). Hope this helps. I think the feature is great. -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward. -Jack Handey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Distribution Lists
Howdy Ladies and Gents,
I'm quite amazed at the number of TB! users who used to be Pegasus
users. I, too, used Pegasus for quite a number of years. I waited
... waited ... waited ... for version 4, only to be disappointed. I
started looking around for another EMail client and happened upon TB!
As I recall, I didn't even wait for the trial period to expire before
I registered the program. I'm quite pleased with the program.
Perhaps we should call ourselves FPUNUTB! (Former Pegasus Users Now
Using TB!). I just recently signed up for this user's list and I have
learned a great deal in the past several days - the hints on SPAM
filtering have been quite useful.
One thing that Pegasus did quite well, and I just have not discovered
the means within TB!, is the capability to send EMail messages to a
'distribution list' without having all the EMail addresses displayed
to the recipients.
I have two distribution lists that I use once in a while. One list
contains about 300 addresses, the other contains about 150 addresses.
How can I set these up within TB!?
AtDhVaAnNkCsE
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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
Rick Reumann wrote: I'm just curious if anyone could give me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The Bat! Hi Rick. As you mention in your message, this might not be the best place for a blow-by-blow comparison, but certainly trying it is the best way to get a feel for what it can and can't do. Like all software, it's not perfect, but it's earned a place on my best of list, and as I mentioned, I use it as my default mailer. I'm an e-mail client junkie, and I have to say, it seems like combining the best of The Bat, PocoMail, and Mozilla's mail client, would make a heck of an e-mail program. I've been evaluating the betas of PocoMail as well, and I believe Slaven's close to releasing 2.51, which includes a ton of fixes and tweaks to 2.5. It includes the ability to view mail on the server, as well as run rules/filters on mail still on the server. It supports in-line HTML, but allows you the option of retrieving the online content (if that makes sense). Also, like The Bat, it uses no IE components, and supports multiple accounts, sigs, and taglines. It's also skinnable, and includes a fairly full featured scripting functionality. Anyway, give it a look. I want to say, like you, I am a registered user of The Bat, and as I said, I really do think it's among the very best apps out there. But, being the fanatic that I am, I also use PocoMail, Becky, and Mozilla mail. Maybe the problem is too *many* choices! :) Regards, Mark -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Distribution Lists
Gjim, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, at 20:38:30 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:08 AM where I live) you wrote: G I have two distribution lists that I use once in a while. One list G contains about 300 addresses, the other contains about 150 addresses. G How can I set these up within TB!? I am not sure if you are looking for thisbut do check out thehelp for 'discussion list' for the article Using The Bat! as a Mailing List Server by Leif Gregory -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The colder the x-ray table the more of your body is required on it. Replied on 14 Jan 2002 using TB Ver 1.54 Beta/24 on Windows NT -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Distribution Lists
It's not clear whether your names are already in TB! Go to the address book, and File/Import as desired. If that doesn't work, or you need more specific information, let us know. Then create a group in the Address Book. When you compose a message, add the names to the BCC block instead of the TO block. (You might want to enable the BCC in your edit message view, as well.) If your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if the name of the Group is, say, GJim's Poker Pals, then put something in the TO block like the following, including the quotation marks: Poker Pals [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will appear to you and to others in the TO block is: Poker Pals JN GJim wrote on Sunday, January 13, 2002: One thing that Pegasus did quite well, and I just have not discovered the means within TB!, is the capability to send EMail messages to a 'distribution list' without having all the EMail addresses displayed to the recipients. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 7:48:08 PM PST, GeekMaster wrote: Anyway, give it a look. I want to say, like you, I am a registered user of The Bat, and as I said, I really do think it's among the very best apps out there. But, being the fanatic that I am, I also use PocoMail, Becky, and Mozilla mail. Maybe the problem is too *many* choices! :) Too many choices - I agree with that! However - while I own Pocomail, Becky, and a few others, The Bat! is still, in practical terms, *easily* on the top of the heap for overall *stable* (and powerful) email reading, writing, and management. Becky, in my opinion, is second in line (stability/message editor still better than Pocomail). I still test betas of Pocomail, and I think Slaven works hard, and has some *really great* ideas. No doubt Pocomail will continue to get better. The last truly stable version of Pocomail is still v2.11. My current Pocomail beta - 2.5.1.999 (haven't checked for a new one in a week or two) is still quite buggy. The *plain text* portion of the message editor, while greatly improved over the past year, is still one of Pocomail's weakest bits. I agree also with the idea of combining the best features and concepts of a few different clients. The three I would really like to see combined would be The Bat!, Becky, and Pocomail. Until that day comes, TB! will remain my default email client - and happily so! Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.10 iD8DBQE8QlyxjVbXUvsE8ukRAoWkAKDmXzlsM+c//C8XDJku0BDlOCV1AACfe7F/ MqxtfJDxLgNT6Ra1oy4mZOU= =NjMd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Multi-part QT's?
Hi Joseph, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:19:25 -0600GMT (14/01/2002, 05:19 +0800GMT), Joseph N. wrote: JN Is it possible to create multi-part QT's? I would like to have a JN template that would look right to users of text-only email clients, JN but to users of Outlook and Notes would have enriched text. You can only attach these kinds of messages, not create them with the current editor. JN I'm not interested in HTML, just having a couple of frames with JN .tif logos/addresses and the smooth appearance that Outlook JN provides. .tif is a format for internet faxes. I believe .ttf? Anyway, the editor can't handle what you want to do. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hi GeekMaster, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:24:39 -0500GMT (14/01/2002, 05:24 +0800GMT), GeekMaster wrote: G Hello all. I'm new to the list, so I figured no better way to join G in than to fuel a good controversy. :) Welcome, and I like controversies. The mods will not allow me to start flame wars though. :-( Gee, all I have to do is double-click on the attached HTML document and it opens my browser. You might want to give that a try! Easy to prevent auto-infection that way. You have to voluntarily open the attachment! G I totally agree that this method is totally safe, and *relatively* easy, however: G At that point, I prefer that the mail client *not* do the thinking G for me, and let me do what I want, which is to view an inline HTML G message the way it was designed, with zero extra steps. While I am one of those that say, an email is in plain text, and a document - such as a website - is in HTML, and on top of that, I would never want TB to GET any external pictures, I am starting to agree with the idea that the option should be there. I would never activate it, but the email cleint should also not nanny those who wish to live on the dangerous side of the internet. G Despite all of the very good arguments for sending text only G messages, there *are* times when I choose to send an HTML message. Not me, but I see your point. G At this moment, I'm composing this from Opera 6's e-mail client, G because being integrated into the browser, it's so very convenient. I don't write emails with my browser and would never want to. And also, the text formatting in your posting is plain ugly. ;-) G Oh, why did I join the list? To see why the heck there's a G beta-a-day. :) Because there is a new-feature-a-day on the beta list. g -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Changing received message subject
Hi John, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:19:47 +GMT (14/01/2002, 07:19 +0800GMT), John Kennett wrote: JK I've got a load of archive messages from a mailing list and they all JK have the subject Re: your command request which isn't very helpful! JK Is there a way of changing the subject of a received message, other JK than redirecting the message to myself and changing it then? No, TB does not allow you to alter incoming messages at all. Has been the cause of heated discussions already, so let's not start that again. ;-) Rick's suggestion with the memo field is a good one. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: connection centre
Hi Alexandre, On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:44:50 +0200GMT (14/01/2002, 09:44 +0800GMT), Alexandre Dobrinov wrote: AD is it possible to make the Connection Centre appear when AD send/receiving email, but not to display in the taskbar ? No, when it appears, it will also create a taskbar item. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Changing received message subject
Sunday, 1/13/02, 8:57 PM Hi Rick, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, at 22:24:22 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:24 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'Changing received message subject' RR Well, since someone helped me with this yesterday, I'll return the RR favor:) TB has the excellent memo feature, which I like better than RR altering the subject (which I used to do in Pegasus mail). Just RR highlight the message and press ctrl-shift-I and a memo box RR appears. Type in whatever you want and then make sure to have the RR memo field in view as a column and you'll see your memo there. ( To RR select the columns go to view then Message List Columns). I would love to use the memo feature to add a little something to the subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to get the memo to save. The disk icon and the trash icon are both grayed out and the shortcut (Ctrl+S) has no effect. Any ideas. Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul -- I did not see Elvis. --Bart Simpson. Powered by The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
At 11:48:39 pm on 1/13/2002, you wrote: Hi Thomas, While I am one of those that say, an email is in plain text, and a document - such as a website - is in HTML, and on top of that, I would never want TB to GET any external pictures, I am starting to agree with the idea that the option should be there. I hate SPAM as much as the next guy, but I actually subscribe to a rewards program, and a few other sites that send HTML mail I actually want. While again, it's not a crisis to have to click another link to view it, it's certainly an inconvenience. Actually, I don't even need to see the inline content in all cases, but I just hate seeing place markers, exclamation points, etc. I would never activate it, but the email cleint should also not nanny those who wish to live on the dangerous side of the internet. That's pretty much my point, but keep in mind that in my case, I've already verified the origin of this e-mail with PopTray, and it's e-mail I'm expecting. Naturally, there are risks to those who aren't so sure of the potential content, but that's why I'd favor implementing the functionality as an option, and not the default. G Despite all of the very good arguments for sending text only G messages, there *are* times when I choose to send an HTML message. Not me, but I see your point. I see it as an AM vs FM or Mono vs Stereo type thing. I don't *need* stereo to hear the content of a radio program, but there are cases when it's a richer experience. Likewise, I think e-mail messages sent with conservative use of bold text, underscores, italics, etc are sometimes just plain nicer, though they don't affect the words themselves in the least. I don't write emails with my browser and would never want to. And also, the text formatting in your posting is plain ugly. ;-) Okay, so Opera doesn't make the A list. :) My use of the e-mail client in Mozilla and Opera is primarily one of convenience. I like to put my hand down and come up with e-mail, so to speak. Though ugly at the moment, Opera has done a terrific job of integrating e-mail and the related folders into the browser. Because there is a new-feature-a-day on the beta list. g Is that another list, or will beta info be distributed via this list? Thanks! Mark -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- One Nation, with Liberty, Large Fries, and a Coffee to go! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Distribution Lists
Hello Joseph N., On Sunday, January 13 2002 at 08:03 PM PDT, you wrote: If your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if the name of the Group is, say, GJim's Poker Pals, then put something in the TO block like the following, including the quotation marks: Poker Pals [EMAIL PROTECTED] What will appear to you and to others in the TO block is: Poker Pals I think what would appear in the To: field is Poker Pals [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no way I know of to simply have the Group Name in the To: field. -- Nick Andriash Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)
Hi Paul, On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:01:58 -0800GMT (14/01/2002, 13:01 +0800GMT), Paul Wilson wrote: PW I would love to use the memo feature to add a little something to the PW subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to get the memo to PW save. The disk icon and the trash icon are both grayed out and the PW shortcut (Ctrl+S) has no effect. Any ideas. For some reason, you can use these icons only only when you are in message preview mode, not in folder view. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Memo function
Dear Thomas and John, --- Thomas F / Montag, 14.01.2002, 06:58:24 Memo function PW I would love to use the memo feature to add a little something to PW the subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to get PW the memo to save. The disk icon and the trash icon are both PW grayed out and the shortcut (Ctrl+S) has no effect. Any ideas. For some reason, you can use these icons only only when you are in message preview mode, not in folder view. Can not confirm. I've tested with v1.53t and the latest beta-28. I have even placed the cursor with focus on the folder and the button works. Probably you can try in upgrading to v1.53t going to RITLabs Beta site http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/. -- best regards Eddie Powered by The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)
On 13 Jan 2002, 11:58:24 pm, Thomas F wrote: PW I would love to use the memo feature to add a little something PW to the subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to PW get the memo to save. The disk icon and the trash icon are PW both grayed out and the shortcut (Ctrl+S) has no effect. Any PW ideas. For some reason, you can use these icons only only when you are in message preview mode, not in folder view. That would seem to be a bug. You can add the memo column to a folder view, but it didn't then get added to other folder's folder view in the same account. But then I exited and restarted and now all my folder view windows in all accounts include the memo column. This is a good thing. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/28 on Windows NT version 5,1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hi Mark, On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:34:07 -0500GMT (14/01/2002, 13:34 +0800GMT), GeekMaster wrote: G Actually, I don't even need to see the inline content in all cases, G but I just hate seeing place markers, exclamation points, etc. I get your point, which is perfectly valid IMHO, while I myself feel safer with the excclamation marks. I would never activate it, but the email cleint should also not nanny those who wish to live on the dangerous side of the internet. G That's pretty much my point, but keep in mind that in my case, I've G already verified the origin of this e-mail with PopTray, This is a very good point: You *know* that the external contents is safe, but it is not sent with the message for a noble reason: saving bandwidth. Would someone who is against implementing the *option* Mark suggests, kindly comment on this. I think this one is the killer argument. ;-) G Naturally, there are risks to those who aren't so sure of the G potential content, but that's why I'd favor implementing the G functionality as an option, and not the default. This was clear to me, but thanks for pointing this out again. Also, it should not be the default, so new users are in no danger to download stuff they don't want. G Despite all of the very good arguments for sending text only G messages, there *are* times when I choose to send an HTML message. Not me, but I see your point. G I see it as an AM vs FM or Mono vs Stereo type thing. LOL! My area. I built radios from scratch, got my share of burned fingers on the tubes, but lost interest when transistors were invented and stopped looking into hardware when they invented the IC. Now: AM and FM are completely different protocols (which would be the up-to-date term, I believe). Stereo radio needs the FM protocol, but AM has other advantages (range, for example. Or simplicity in sending/receiving). Neither AM/FM nor Mono/Stereo have anything to do with security (unless you count that since AM receivers are easier to build, it is also easier to eavesdrop). And speaking of bandwidth, FM can use even smaller bandwidths (IIRC) while maintaining higher sound qualities. I would think that HTML uses 200-300% of the bandwidth of a comparative plain text email, while increasing quality by less than 50% (non-official figure, just my own opinion), and in some cases no better quality at all (AOL, or many messages sent with OE/OL's default settings). Plus, of course, there is this security risk. G I don't *need* stereo to hear the content of a radio program, but G there are cases when it's a richer experience. Likewise, I think G e-mail messages sent with conservative use of bold text, G underscores, italics, etc are sometimes just plain nicer, though G they don't affect the words themselves in the least. I agree with you, and there are editors out there that support rich text. With rich text (as opposed to HTML) you can do all of the above, but not additional HTML stuff like embedding pictures etc; I also especially hate these colours, and I get business emails with flashing activated in important parts of the email! :-( Because there is a new-feature-a-day on the beta list. g G Is that another list, or will beta info be distributed via this list? You can subscribe by clicking on this link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML based emails
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:17:44 +0800GMT (14-1-02, 7:17 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: TF This is a very good point: You *know* that the external contents is TF safe, but it is not sent with the message for a noble reason: saving TF bandwidth. But they don't save bandwidth. That's always a bogus reason. They have the intention that every recipient of their mail sees the pictures, since that's the way most mua's function. While sending the the pictures inside the message, the pictures will be sent less often across the internet, since most mail servers deliver multiple identical mails addressed to different users at one ISP only once at that ISP with a list of all intended recipients. When they don't send the pictures along, every recipient has to 'surf' to the pictures for himself and when you're viewing the message for the second or third time you've got to collect the pictures anew. So at best this way of not sending the pictures with the message spreads the bandwidth, but never saves it, to the contrary I'd say. There are two possibilities: 1) They link to pictures not at their own server, so they parasite somebody else's bandwidth. 2) They're doing something with the hits to the pictures. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:58:24 +0800GMT (14-1-02, 6:58 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: PW subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to get the memo to PW save. The disk icon and the trash icon are both grayed out and the TF For some reason, you can use these icons only only when you are in TF message preview mode, not in folder view. Not in my setup. I can save memos both in preview mode and in folder view. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
Hello Melissa, 14 Jan 2002, 5:22:02, you wrote: MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MR Hash: SHA1 MR On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 7:48:08 PM PST, GeekMaster wrote: Anyway, give it a look. I want to say, like you, I am a registered user of The Bat, and as I said, I really do think it's among the Pretty cool interface!! Looks realy nice. However, running it from behind a firewall is a mess... I use SOCKS2HTTP in combination with SocksCap but NO GO! It throws a Winsock Error 0 on me... When i use it plain and enter the Proxyhost it times out... Too bad, too bad... I don't know if it is PocoMail or limitations over here but what i do know is that The Bat works happylie with SocksCap Cheers Ray -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: registration key
Hello prayan! p well thanx for the quick response, but i don't want to change my p password, or pay anything. just a place where i can take my password p to, i paid less than a year ago, surely you keep records... If you didn't forget your password, the registration key and checksum can be re-sent to you at no charge. Just contact the registration site where you bought the software and they will resend you the key. $3 fee only applies if you forgot your password. -- Maxim Masiutin http://www.ritlabs.com/ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
