Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Leif LG Next time though, you'll get the trout! Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! for well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this piscatorial reference. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail disappears when switching from Administrator to User onWin2K
Friday, October 18, 2002, 5:41:02 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Vishal, RO On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:28:39 -0700GMT (18-10-02, 20:28 +0200GMT, where RO I live), you wrote: VN I have a problem when switching from Administrator and User logins on VN my Win2K machine. I frequently switch between the two, and use The Bat VN to check my email from both. However, if I check my email when logged RO Do both admin and user have full access rights to the directories where TB RO stores it's message base? RO Does TB point to the same directories for both admin and user? Yes, both admin and user have full access rights to the directories. I believe they also point to the same directories, since I haven't changed any directories and still use the default structure which has all the mail for different accounts in their respective folders under the MAIL folder. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Relaying denied?
Friday, October 18, 2002, 5:37:52 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Vishal, TF On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:00:33 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 07:00 +0700 GMT), TF Vishal Nakra wrote: Thanks! I tried that..let's hope it works. This doesn't happen all the time, btw, which is what I found weird. I was using 'same settings as POP' instead of 'use specific'. Any idea why my option wouldn't work? TF If you are talking about the Myreal account, then the details TF should be the same anyway. That's what I figured. I was already using my POP settings for SMTP authentication, so using the specific setting shouldn't have made a difference, since it was the same username/pass I was using. I was also having this problem with my university email account. I'll try using specific settings there too and see if it does anything. TF If you are using your university email account but want to use TF myreal's SMTP server, you *have to* use 'specific settings' and insert TF your myreal details. Otherwise myreal will refuse to accept your mail TF for sending. No, I was using separate SMTP servers for both accounts. My university provides its own SMTP server which I used only for that account. And i used myrealbox's server for only myrealbox's account. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Thomas, .I also have to scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the list in those cases, instead of to the top. Did you try hitting End key ? :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 at 10:50:36[GMT +0200](which was 09:50 where I live) you wrote: .I also have to scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the list in those cases, instead of to the top. MAU Did you try hitting End key ? :) I didn't know about that one until I read the message. I've now printed out the complete list of keystrokes as there are so many. I'd still like it to take me to the first unread message, however the sorting is set. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! 1.61 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi William, 19-Oct-2002, 09:06 William Moore [WM] in mid:953230104.20021019090620;dsl.pipex.com said: LG Next time though, you'll get the trout! WM Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! WM for well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this WM piscatorial reference. It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. It is a way of conveying a tongue-in-cheek reprimand for a slight transgression. In that instance, Nick had posted the Eudora you have mail WAV file to the list instead of privately. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sR8gOeQkq5KdzaARAlETAJ41ImMLj2vQgAAK18j1NvlKsn1GJwCgik3j 18X9Z/PgcHDDKTE5J36lbHs= =uJgd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Leif, Friday, October 18, 2002, 21:27 -0600 (11:27 PM here) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:3176395796.20021018212751;pcwize.com said to Mary Bull: LG After you get done playing with Pegasus, come back. We'll leave LG the light on for ya! grin I would like to echo Leif's comments Mary. I used to use Pegasus exclusively. Being one that is always looking for a better mousetrap, I came across TB! a couple of years ago. At first I didn't like it and went back to Pegasus where I said to myself, I'll use Pegasus forever. Well, I was wrong. After several attempts at going back to Pegasus, I now use TB! exclusively. It is absolutely the best email program (IMHO) out there, and trust me I have tried about everyone of them. As a matter of fact, I have Pegasus on my system now although I don't use it. Of course, I have Becky on my system too, but I don't use that either. grin TB! does have a bit of a learning curve, but there are many, many people on this list, especially Marck, that are more than willing to help out. That's what this list is about. So anyway, try Pegasus and if you like it stick with it. If not, try TB! again. The more you use it, the more you'll want to use it... -- Regards, Ron Secord Win2K Pro (SP2) | The Bat! v1.62/Beta6 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
ON Saturday, October 19, 2002, 2:36:28 AM, you wrote: RO Now the cure of your problem. RO I'll mention a few possibilities: Hi Roelof, Assuming for that it is a problem HTML code that is causing this (I once had TB! crash on that) would it not be possible to install an older TB! version without the HTML engine or an other HTML engine and just delete the msg in that version? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Show respect for age. Drink good scotch. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting Outlook Express Messages
Hallo Julius, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:35:05 -0400GMT (19-10-02, 4:35 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JS There are a few there that I want to use and reply to, but want to JS do with theBat! because while on-line with OE I get more stuff JS coming into the OE directories and don't want that. JS I saved a few to a neutral folder, but can't get TB to import... JS just freezes on import screen. Disconnect your modem (or whatever you're using for internet connectivity) and start OE sop that you're sure OE won't connect (You can tell OE that it has to work of line, but sometimes... ). Save the messages you want to use as *.eml (you've got to do this one message at the time as OE) Start TB and import the .emnl's you've created. TB ought to be able to able to import from OE directly, since I did that just now. No problem whatsoever, even though OE 6.0 was active and I imported from the OE-folder that was selected in OE. Currently TB only supports importing messages from OE 5.x and 6.x. But my work around should function anyhow. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, 19-Oct-2002, 10:00 Richard Wakeford [RW] in mid:9322420138.20021019100050;cix.co.uk said: .I also have to scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the list in those cases, instead of to the top. MAU Did you try hitting End key ? :) ... snip RW I'd still like it to take me to the first unread message, RW however the sorting is set. That would be Ctrl-] - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sSdNOeQkq5KdzaARAn6CAKDZXl+Wx+wrqWX9m8vvZEPRFhgL2wCfY4Gd xnyt95drP/yUkhxwEdy6QtM= =vt6m -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
Hallo Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:41:40 -0500GMT (19-10-02, 3:41 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JA Another option is to copy the TBB file to another location. Rename JA that file to messages.uue, and open the file in winzip. You should see JA a lot of text files in it. Each text file is an email (except maybe JA the first). I know this and even tried it, but according to me it treats attachments (even html attachments) as separate files. And especially for a large folder it would be a hell of a job connecting (html-)attachments and messages back. My version of WinZip (8.0) was unable to delete specific files from the .uue and therefore I decided not to mention it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Marck, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 at 10:35:08[GMT +0100](which was 10:35 where I live) you wrote: RW I'd still like it to take me to the first unread message, RW however the sorting is set. MDP That would be Ctrl-] Yes I use that already. I suppose it's because I've recently migrated from Ameol where some of the functions are slightly more intuitive (if that's the right word to use) than here and one of them is the chance to set it to go to the first unread message :-( -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! 1.61 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, 19-Oct-2002, 10:53 Richard Wakeford [RW] in mid:8425577158.20021019105327;cix.co.uk said: RW one of them is the chance to set it to go to the first unread RW message :-( As an *option* this is good. Maybe. Although I don't think I'd ever use it. As a default it is a problem. Elsewhere in this thread are reports of TB moving the cursor to the top of the list. It only happens when the previously selected message has moved or been deleted. One of TB's premier features is its memory of what you were up to last on a per-folder basis. If the cursor moved to the first unread message by *default*, this would really disrupt the way *I* use TB by losing track of the message I left selected in that folder because I was doing something with it. If browsing by unread is a primary feature, why not make friends with the ticker? You can minimise the on-screen size and push it to a margin so that a small amount of it shows and it doesn't intrude. Behind it lies a virtual folder brim-full of all unread messages. Browsing new mail in the ticker virtual folder (with the message list showing) means that your positions in the main folders remains unchanged. If you need to zoom in on a thread, just double click it in the message list and a folder view opens to show you that message in its own folder and within its own thread. It's been a while since I evangelised on the topic of the ticker, so this one's probably overdue g. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sTI0OeQkq5KdzaARAgIHAJ9oYxTobaCpCNhcydG/fxkc4IdduwCgp4PV e8dB+3NhPTidv7Li5e6a1f4= =yb+G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Marck, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 at 11:21:38[GMT +0100](which was 11:21 where I live) you wrote: MDP As an *option* this is good. Maybe. Although I don't think I'd ever MDP use it. As a default it is a problem. Elsewhere in this thread are MDP reports of TB moving the cursor to the top of the list. It only MDP happens when the previously selected message has moved or been MDP deleted. One of TB's premier features is its memory of what you were MDP up to last on a per-folder basis. MDP If the cursor moved to the first unread message by *default*, this MDP would really disrupt the way *I* use TB by losing track of the MDP message I left selected in that folder because I was doing MDP something with it. Gosh this programme is full of unexpected features. I've just noticed that because TB! opened at my last message to you just now and you are right - a very useful feature. MDP If browsing by unread is a primary feature, why not make friends MDP with the ticker? You can minimise the on-screen size and push it to MDP a margin so that a small amount of it shows and it doesn't intrude. MDP Behind it lies a virtual folder brim-full of all unread messages. I've tended to shy away from that so far, enough to learn already, but I'll give it a go. Thanks for those tips, always good to learn and you don't half learn with this programme and all the advice from the people who know :-) -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! 1.61 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Sudip, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 3:12:03 AM, you authored this: SP On Friday, October 18, 2002 17:46 your local time, (22:31 my local SP time), you wrote: SP Don't quote me on this, but I don't think you can use them SP simultaneously. Besides, why would you want to do that? It's more of a SP redundancy than extra protection. Just for the record, I have always used multiple virus scanners on my home LAN, well I say always, but what I mean really is ever since moving from WFWG 3.11 to the 32bit (cough) operating systems all those years back. If you don't run real-time virus scanning tasks in the background/as services, which I don't because of the performance overhead and because it is mostly overkill, then having multiple scanners is pretty straight forward: you simply disable all real-time protection that the software provides and use the on-demand part of the software. I've not encountered any problems, ever, using scanners like this, and in fact I have at one time had four scanners installed at the same time whilst testing them for effectiveness. Virus scanners only need exclusivity when they are running real time / system tasks as they often will cause conflicts when they run concurrently. SP I use AVG plug-in and I *see* the loader screen appear briefly - at SP times for a longer time but that could be attributed to only 256MB RAM SP on my XP pro It could be that I am missing the AVG loading as it is too quick in that case. Maybe the Kapersky plug is slow to load so that's why I see it at not AVG :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbE8P8tub/5cfolmEQKAvgCfR4DSDN8qHXQECE6Yb6eTarrqaYoAoO8p vc0PNrzKbsxknXF0vXFKeVa2 =abVy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Chris, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 1:53:34 AM, you authored this: CW I believe you can, as I was for a while, but it was a bit of overkill CW with potential conflicts, which isn't nice as I experienced earlier CW today! :-( Killed my PC until I managed to restart (removing the battery CW from my laptop) into safe mode. Then did a system restore, removed CW unwanted virus scanners and now running like a dream again. DrWeb seems CW very nice and also checks compressed files before execution, which is CW currently being discussed, but something I was personally looking for. I've never had conflicts on my system with multiple scanners, and that part isn't really a worry to me. I was just trying to figure out whether TB! would/would attempt to run all plugins in the list simultaneously, and therefore find out whether all scanners vie for priority, or whether TB! gives priority to the topmost plugin and ignores or queues the rest. CW All I see is that I've a plug-in but it doesn't say what program. It could be then that the Kapersky plugin is just verbose and the AVG one isn't :) Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbE+x8tub/5cfolmEQK3hgCbBGuYM8ZP9A0g7Ji2g1yBnT6uJBMAoKM4 6OSBT/ukH6jvRB4m7pMD0WLb =f+Xi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
Hi Simon, On Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:04 your local time, (16:49 my local time), you wrote: If you don't run real-time virus scanning tasks in the background/as services, which I don't because of the performance overhead and because it is mostly overkill, then having multiple scanners is pretty straight forward: Yes. I missed this point. I don't use real-time scanning either, but never considered having multiple scanners. This is probably because of my own threat assessment. -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ Hollywood's Law #24: You're very likely to survive any battle in any war unless you make the mistake of showing someone a picture of your sweetheart back home ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Richard, MAU Did you try hitting End key ? :) I didn't know about that one until I read the message. I've now printed out the complete list of keystrokes as there are so many. That's a normal Windows keystroke that works in all (well, maybe I should say most) applications. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Leif, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 4:16:22 AM, you authored this: LG There have been numerous instances where one scanner detected a new LG virus where the others didn't depending on which company put the LG fingerprint into their signature files first. This is also my experience. It is also one of the reasons I stopped using McAfee as it used to fail to discover viruses, especially those that were doubled archived (I haven't used McAfee for ages so I would suspect that isn't a problem now) . An infected rar inside a zip would slip by McAfee unnoticed. I also used Trend Micro's scanner for ages and it managed to pick up on infected files more often than Norton and McAfee would. LG I wouldn't recommend running multiple virus scanners simultaneously on LG a single machine, but cross scanning on a network has proven most LG valuable to me. Especially since most of the people who read my LG newsletter have my editor address in their addressbook, which means LG any virus/worm which exploits Lookout / Lookout Express will send me LG an infected e-mail. I literally get *hundreds* of infected e-mail per LG month. When Klez first hit the wild, I got over 240 infected e-mail in LG two weeks. The Bat faithfully kept me nice and safe, and the virus LG scanners quarantined all the bad stuff regardless of which machine LG they were on. My experiences have proven to me that using more than one prophylactic improves the odds of discovery. I always scan any file that I receive with each installed scanner and then run a separate trojan scanner on it afterwards. To date, my systems have been stable with multiple scanners installed (but run manually), remained clean, and infected files have never got past the detection stage, or TB for that matter! Most of the infected files I get are via e-mail and so end up in the account's attachments folder and never get beyond there. However, I was manually scanning these folders before now, and so liked the idea of automating the task with the plugins when the feature was added from 1.60 onward. Anyhow, I still don't know whether TB! executes each plugin concurrently, or whether only the topmost plugin gets used :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbFDeMtub/5cfolmEQLm6QCdHgdZ1xkEZq8tWREl2sImX8SmCrQAoMRe i8klCP1meJvE/MKFNc9yKEMm =mJFR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 5:02 AM (USA Pacific Time) Hello Mary, This is a reply to your message dated Friday, October 18, 2002 at 8:21:04 PM, when you wrote: MB Well, I am very close to just going to Pegasus. I have already MB downloaded it to my machine. I want to thank everyone who wrote MB with encouragement and advice on using The Bat! (I have it on a MB trial basis) and on the requirements of the TBUDL List. I tried Pegasus too Mary but when I discovered that each message was a file on my computer, I knew I would have problems. I now have over 32,000 messages which is a small number compared to many on this list. If each one were a file as with Pegasus, It either would not be able to handle it, or be way too slow. Imagine thousands of files in your Pegasus directory. I have tried most other email programs and have never seen one that has the options or cab handle the volume of messages that TheBat. Maybe you don't get that much email or save every one like I do. If not, Pegasus may work fine for you. But try giving TheBat a good work out. The time spent learning it is well worth it. -- Wayne Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TheBat! 1.61 With Windows 98se 4.10 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Removing top posting--how?
Saturday, October 19, 2002, 4:21:04 AM,Mary wrote: MB Well, I am very close to just going to Pegasus. I have already MB downloaded it to my machine. I want to thank everyone who wrote with MB encouragement and advice on using The Bat! (I have it on a trial MB basis) and on the requirements of the TBUDL List. Hi Mary, Hang on in there with TB - you're doing just fine! :-) MB I have spent the past 2 hours trying to make sense of both the Client and MB the Posts regarding my problems. This may be my last MB post to TBUDL. Mary, when you ask for help here (as elsewhere) remind them you're new to TB and need simple answers! Loads of the techie stuff goes way over my head as well so don't let it worry you! MB (Like Elaine, I really have enjoyed Top Posting elsewhere all MB these years.) This can be done via the templates as others have said - try and see how you get one - if you need more help with it just shout and someone will assist :-) -- Cheers, Anne (from the Rootsweb list using a different mail address here ;-) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hey Marck, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6)' was used to write mid:987876740.20021019100014;silverstones.com on Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 5:00:14 AM. WM Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! for WM well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this piscatorial WM reference. MDP It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 MDP with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. It MDP is a way of conveying a tongue-in-cheek reprimand for a slight MDP transgression. IIRC 'trout' is also an old word for a really nasty flog. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) The days of the digital watch are numbered. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Allie, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 7:06:26 AM, you authored this: snipsees..you're it ACM This can be done safely as long as you ensure that they aren't assigned ACM to do the same scanning concurrently. This would negate running ACM real-time scanners for both at the same time. This would also negate ACM using plug-ins for both at the same time though theoretically having ACM one check incoming and one check outgoing mail should work but why ACM would one wish to do it that way. So am I misunderstanding the functionality of TB!'s plugins then Allie? I was imagining that they could be used thusly: if a user installed two/multiple AV plugins the scanners would run consecutively - on demand - thereby providing the advantage of a doublecheck.. if one AV scanner missed something then there would always be the safeguard of a second AV check. I was also under the impression that the plugins weren't reliant on real-time modules being loaded. Rather they functioned in the same way as other on demand scanners and quit after their task had completed. The fact that you are able to add more than one AV plugin to the Virus Checking Plug-ins config window led me to believe that the use of mutliple scanners was intended. If however this isn't the case, and only one AV package is ever going to be loaded to scan the incoming and outgoing mail, regardless of how many plugins exist in the list, then surely a simpler config window would be in order, offering only the ability to select one preferred AV plugin? - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbFeWctub/5cfolmEQKGHgCg1kXeuonptoJyJMSu/vHfl2eSsY4An0Qy lx7cOnvgB5B1x7jYODkF1Sde =pYmb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:2210395234.20021019142952;theycallmesimon.co.uk, Simon [S] wrote:' S So am I misunderstanding the functionality of TB!'s plugins S then Allie? I was imagining that they could be used thusly: S if a user installed two/multiple AV plugins the scanners S would run consecutively - on demand - thereby providing the S advantage of a doublecheck.. if one AV scanner missed something S then there would always be the safeguard of a second AV check. There's evidence to show that this may not be a good thing. Chris Weaven posted earlier about getting this strange popup error when NOD32's plugin checked incoming attachments. No other NOD32 user who read his post, had ever experienced it, or knew the source of the problem. I continued to help him with the problem off-list and he mentioned by the way, that he was also using the AVG plug-in at the same time. This turned out to be the source of his problem. At the DrWeb plug-in download page they also recommend that you remove other plug-ins though they didn't explicitly state which other earlier installed plug-ins. I'm really not sure if a single check can be smoothly performed by multiple plug-ins. This would be so only if it is done in series and not at the same time. S I was also under the impression that the plugins weren't reliant S on real-time modules being loaded. They aren't. I was speaking about the two separately. S The fact that you are able to add more than one AV plugin S to the Virus Checking Plug-ins config window led me to believe S that the use of mutliple scanners was intended. You could conceivably use multiple scanners to do different things. You could have one check incoming mail, another check attachments while they are being saved or opened and another check outgoing mail. Though you may succeed in having two plugins check one area together it just might create conflicts as it did in Cris' case. Perhaps the conflict is secondary to buggy behaviour rather than a genuine conflict that can't be resolved. I really am not sure. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta6 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1-cvs (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sWUyV8nrYCsHF+IRAmwMAJ4xRivAii2LXLFdKVXG7ReEJx2mAACfS7UI fv53tFuQYmc+v71fZitHoA4= =BH24 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo TB! users, Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher Is there an option anywhere in TB! to set the Mail Despatcher to function globally, for all accounts? I mean, rather than multiple Despatcher windows popping up when checking accounts have only one despatcher for all accounts? - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbF+Lstub/5cfolmEQKYDQCfeAVSTHSq0E4U5R75/iPO66l2AlsAoL/M 0xbECPLyK0KuLkqCXxMq6Ojn =sd0Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Need help unsubscribing
Friday, October 18, 2002, 1:19:58 AM,Scott wrote: SM Click Specials | Mailing List | Unsubscribe. Now that *is* neat! Not that I want to unsubscribe you understand - just handy that it's so easy to do so :-) Think I'll have to try setting up a mailing list on TB and see how it works - I have one which is run by Bravenet atm - but I admit I don't like it much - too much advertising on them now :-( (Yeah I know that's what pays for it - but if I can use something better I shall right ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Marck, On Saturday, October 19 2002 at 02:00 AM PDT, you wrote: It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. And I still have the marks to prove it! ;o) -- Nick Andriash Creston, B.C. Canada PGP Public Key: MailTo:andriash;shaw.ca?subject=PGPKey Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting Outlook Express Messages
Hi there, Roelof, Saturday, October 19, 2002, 5:48:59 AM, you wrote: RO Disconnect your modem (or whatever you're using for internet RO connectivity) and start OE sop that you're sure OE won't connect (You RO can tell OE that it has to work of line, but sometimes... ). Save the RO messages you want to use as *.eml (you've got to do this one message RO at the time as OE) Start TB and import the .emnl's you've created. Thanks for great tips. RO TB ought to be able to able to import from OE directly, since I did RO that just now. No problem whatsoever, even though OE 6.0 was active and I RO imported from the OE-folder that was selected in OE. I'm using OE 6.0 too. Finally got TB to do it. RO Currently TB only supports importing messages from OE 5.x and 6.x. But RO my work around should function anyhow. You call this work around. Is there a simpler way with OE 6 and TB 1.61? -- Cheers, Julius Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:20:04AM -0700 or thereabouts, Nick Andriash wrote: Hello Marck, On Saturday, October 19 2002 at 02:00 AM PDT, you wrote: It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. And I still have the marks to prove it! ;o) At least you have marks. I'm luck I can still remember that. -- Best regards, Gary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, October 19, 2002, at 9:20:04 AM PDT, Nick Andriash wrote: And I still have the marks to prove it! ;o) But you did get the smell out, right? ;-) Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:pgp_keys;gmx.co.uk?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAj2xjSAACgkQjVbXUvsE8uluAQCfVWuqi6Imov/U/K39Lb4+fXOj r6sAn04ODYiJc6XgWGVons+IuGF76QQE =tgYE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:45:53 -0500 GMT (19/10/02, 08:45 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: A virus that freezes TB? I would like to know which one that is. I'd probably guess it not to be a virus, but maybe a bad encoding type or some format in the email itself that is causing it to screw up. I believe Marck offered the most logical explanation and solution. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I wonder how much deeper would the ocean be without sponges. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Marck, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:35:08 +0100 GMT (19/10/02, 16:35 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: RW I'd still like it to take me to the first unread message, RW however the sorting is set. That would be Ctrl-] I use this keystroke a lot, but the message list needs to be focussed for it to work. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:50:36 +0200 GMT (19/10/02, 15:50 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: .I also have to scroll down often. I wish I could make TB go to the bottom of the list in those cases, instead of to the top. Did you try hitting End key ? :) Yes. It would worked it this first message is also highlighted, but of course, when I just click on the folder in the main window, the folder list and not the message list is focussed. So I would have to click on the first (or any other) message before hitting end has the desired effect. Try hitting end while the folder list is in focus. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. INFLATION: Cutting money in half without damaging the paper. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hi Thomas, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 18:54:43, Thomas Fernandez wrote: That would be Ctrl-] I use this keystroke a lot, but the message list needs to be focussed for it to work. How do I do that on a German keyboard? Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Few love to hear the sins they love to act. -- William Shakespeare, Pericles Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I was just Eicar test virus testing, when.....
Hi Nick! In message mid:20021018120126.4F21.ANDRIASH;shaw.ca on Friday, October 18, 2002, 2:07:25 PM, you wrote: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-054.asp NA Thanks Marcus... I have read the article, but I still remain skeptical. NA Why? Because if that were true, the entire Computing World would be up in NA arms about it. Anti-Virus Software Companies would be scrambling to NA produce Programs that would automatically delete all *.zip files if simply NA opening an archive to view the contents would in itself unleash the virus. Read the article more carefully -- first, simply viewing the list of files in the archive is ok. The problem comes when extracting the files. Second, it applies only to Microsoft's uncompression code, not to third party code, such as you would find in antivirus programs, or third-party archive utilities. Third, the fix is already available via WindowsUpdate for WinME and WinXP (it doesn't mention it for XP, but I checked and my system is patched already), so anyone who is on the internet and has their system set up properly (hint, hint) has the fix already. -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting Outlook Express Messages
Hallo Julius, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:28:16 -0400GMT (19-10-02, 18:28 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JS You call this work around. Is there a simpler way with OE 6 and TB 1.61? Yes. I thought you were trying that when mentioning that TB froze on you. But since you're asking. Choose from the menu: Tools-Import Messages-Mailbox Import Wizard-MS OE 5.x/6.x As easy as that. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Roman, On Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 7:17:12 PM you [RK] wrote (at least in part): That would be Ctrl-] I use this keystroke a lot, but the message list needs to be focussed for it to work. How do I do that on a German keyboard? Ctrl+´ (one left of backspace) or the more general (and for all key of keyboard layout identically) Ctrl+(Alt+)Right Arrow / Left Arrow When on message list the Alt part ain't necessary, when the focus is in message body it is. Right Arrow is next unread message Left Arrow is previous unread. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) The world is coming to an end. Please log off. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
Hello Allie, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:20:15 -0500 GMT (19/10/02, 13:20 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: DC Sometimes the destination is not available. This not as common as one would think. This was a problem when I tried my own SMTP server a couple of years ago. The 'net might have improved in the meantime, tough. DC Hence, an SMTP sending engine needs persistence full-time access DC to all of the rest of the net. Not necessarily full-time access. The mailserver can be set to make a connection intermittently according to time and in the case of MDaemon also according to the presence of outgoing mail to be delivered. I agree with Dave here. Well, OK, you do not need to be online full-time, but a lot more than you would want if you have a pay-per-minute dial-up connection. For many it may not be like this so the comment that you'd be making yourself into an ISP is not a reasonable one. I was wondering about the terminology. Are you an ISP just because you run an SMTP-server for your own use, or are you an ISP only when you start providing a whole range of internet services *to third parties*? I believe it is defined somewhere (will google for what is an ISP whne I find the time later on tonight), rather than everybody having a philosophical opinion about it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You should never kiss a girl unless you have enough bucks or buy her a big ring and her own VCR, 'cause she'll want to have videos of the wedding. (Jim, 10) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
Hello Simon, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:45:50 +0100 GMT (19/10/02, 22:45 +0700 GMT), Simon wrote: Is there an option anywhere in TB! to set the Mail Despatcher to function globally, for all accounts? I mean, rather than multiple Despatcher windows popping up when checking accounts have only one despatcher for all accounts? No. As you know, each account needs a seperate POP connection, and what you are asking for, namely the merging of the data into one GUI, is not possible in TB. I have never wished for this feature, so I am curious to know why you think it would be advantageous and how you use the despatcher. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mit einem Kostuemball kann man keine Tore schiessen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: On read filter.
Hello Chris, On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:46:18 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 07:46 +0700 GMT), Chris Weaven wrote: Simply tell the 'Read message' filter to filter only message 'not flagged' and you're done. [...] The filter was working fine, not I've set it to manual and assigned a hot-key, but it's no playing ball :-| Oops, I am not sure hot-keys work for Read filters. If you use the filter only manually anyway, change it to be an Incoming filter instead and check whether it works now. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Carren! In message mid:71738660.20021019151858;myrealbox.com on Friday, October 18, 2002, 9:18:58 PM, you wrote: CS Sometimes I really think that we expect *way* too much here of TB! CS beginners! Even though your explanation above is correct and clearly CS set out, I think that for a total beginner to TB! and especially to CS template construction, it can be enough to send them on their merry CS way back to OE! CS I am not criticising you Nick, but maybe there really *is* a need for CS a total newbie's help file of some sort. When I first set TB! up, CS these kinds of explanations simply blew me away and I had no idea what CS anyone was talking about. If it were not for Melissa's ongoing CS patience and her frequent emails containing re-written for newbies CS instructions, I would never have made it off the ground. For someone CS who has perhaps come straight from OE ( or worse still, something like CS Incredimail) - template instructions may very well look like a foreign CS language! JMHO. How about this: we sit down and agree on a set of templates, etc., that should be offered to newbies, and perhaps ask that they be included in the TB! distribution. For example, I have an address book group for mailing lists, which includes a template for the mid: line, cleans up the subject line, and so forth, and I have an address book group for the several TB! lists that's very similar, which includes the computer and TB! details at the bottom of the message. I put these templates together as a result of scrounging through old list messages and FAQ pages; they don't seem to be readily available all in one place, although I need to finish looking through the info available at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html. -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Leif! In message mid:3172553015.20021018202348;pcwize.com on Friday, October 18, 2002, 9:23:48 PM, you wrote: LG Concerning your templates, if you place the %CURSOR macro *below* the LG %QUOTES macro, you'll never have to worry about top posting again. Yeah, well, then there's the problem of not snipping out the junk, which I used to only do rarely, but which I started to slip up on fairly regularly after installing TB! with the %CURSOR macro at the bottom. I have since moved the %CURSOR back up to the top. -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Leif! In message mid:4176216546.20021018212451;pcwize.com on Friday, October 18, 2002, 10:24:51 PM, you wrote: SP This is the preferred method and the *only* one that is acceptable SP on this list. Here you respond to the original message case by LG *only*??? Preferred yes, only, no. Like this reply, It's the only LG point I'm commenting on, so bottom posting is appropriate. I think you mean that inline posting turns into bottom posting in degenerate situations. :) -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
Hi Thomas! In message mid:2022423926.20021020004212;gmx.net on Saturday, October 19, 2002, 12:42:12 PM, you wrote: Is there an option anywhere in TB! to set the Mail Despatcher to function globally, for all accounts? I mean, rather than multiple Despatcher windows popping up when checking accounts have only one despatcher for all accounts? TF No. As you know, each account needs a seperate POP connection, and TF what you are asking for, namely the merging of the data into one GUI, TF is not possible in TB. Are you talking about the Connection Centre? Mail Despatcher is not mentioned in the help file. -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help unsubscribing
Hello Anne, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 at 16:47:26 [GMT +0100], you wrote: A Think I'll have to try setting up a mailing list on TB and see how A it works - The only issue you will run into is the fact that we can't define custom headers such as these below which TB uses to populate the functions on the specials menu ,- [ ] | List-Post: mailto:tbudl;thebat.dutaint.com | List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, | mailto:tbudl-request;thebat.dutaint.com?subject=subscribe | List-Unsubscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, | mailto:tbudl-request;thebat.dutaint.com?subject=unsubscribe | List-Help: mailto:tbudl-request;thebat.dutaint.com?subject=help | List-Id: tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com `- However, I do remember someone mentioning a 3rd party program that will allow you to make those types of modifications before it goes out to your subscribers. Grrr. I just totally can't think of the name of it right now. Something like X-ray or such. A but if I can use something better I shall right ;-) Oh, you'll love lists under TB. With exception to good bounce management, it does really, really good. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: The Bat! email client. Everything else is just Guano! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Scott, Saturday, October 19, 2002, 8:10:39 PM, you wrote: SM How about this: we sit down and agree on a set of templates, etc., SM that should be offered to newbies which appeals to this newbie. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, myobmailto:myob;btinternet.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help unsubscribing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Leif, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:13:12 -0600 your time, you authored this: shni... LG Grrr. I just totally can't think of the name of LG it right now. Something like X-ray or such. Yep, that's it. Available from here: http://www.xrayapp.com/ - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbGwo8tub/5cfolmEQIsogCg5+914DiEEYUUM1dbtzR8TZFB9LEAn3lR 3B3s567A3WnSSCtibxX3rBt/ =8rdB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Thomas, On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:42:12 +0700 your time, you authored this: pare.. TF No. As you know, each account needs a seperate POP connection, and TF what you are asking for, namely the merging of the data into one GUI, TF is not possible in TB. OK, but it would be useful to have just one GUI for managing incoming mail, which is of course possible even with multiple POPs. TF I have never wished for this feature, so I am curious to know why you TF think it would be advantageous and how you use the despatcher. Advantageous because I screen for unwanted messages before transferring. Spam gets deleted, and any messages I don't want to read, and the rest then gets transferred to my inbox. With multiple accounts you have to plough through multiple despatcher windows, which can be a pain if you have say 15 messages incoming for each account. Having a central GUI to manage incoming messages would be useful IMO, well it would be for me. - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbGynctub/5cfolmEQJVDQCgwegCRnVbK9qeB9+KoTY09JrA/T8AoOxy JmdQko+aaQXTTd3xGE83tKWs =gUCv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Wayne! In message mid:165386606694.20021019051640;kc99.com on Saturday, October 19, 2002, 7:16:40 AM, you wrote: WB I tried Pegasus too Mary but when I discovered that each message was a WB file on my computer, I knew I would have problems. I now have over WB 32,000 messages which is a small number compared to many on this list. WB If each one were a file as with Pegasus, It either would not be able I have 62010 in TB! and 83183 in Outlook (although I'm sure that I have some Outlook archives somewhere, which would increase the count, and I'm also sure that I have a lot of duplicates in Outlook, which would decrease the count). -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
Hello Scott, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:13:04 -0500 GMT (20/10/02, 02:13 +0700 GMT), Scott McNay wrote: Are you talking about the Connection Centre? Mail Despatcher is not mentioned in the help file. No, I mean Account / Despatch Mail on Server. Some people have set it as default under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Mail Despatcher [X] Invoke automatically. Couldn't find it in the help file either. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help unsubscribing
Hello Leif, On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:13:12 -0600 GMT (20/10/02, 02:13 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: However, I do remember someone mentioning a 3rd party program that will allow you to make those types of modifications before it goes out to your subscribers. Grrr. I just totally can't think of the name of it right now. Something like X-ray or such. www.xrayapp.com -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't use no double negatives. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, 20-Oct-2002, 02:28 +0700 (20:28 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:12128781701.20021020022809;gmx.net said: Are you talking about the Connection Centre? Mail Despatcher is not mentioned in the help file. TF No, I mean Account / Despatch Mail on Server. No, you mean Account / D*i*spatch mail on server. TF Some people have set it as default under Account / Properties / TF Mail Management / Mail Despatcher [X] Invoke automatically. TF Couldn't find it in the help file either. That's because you have to look it up with the correct spelling (as it appears in the menu) ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9scUyOeQkq5KdzaARAiMrAJ4hmeTOyzEx219SWqz52fAuUlsOMwCfUxru P98iG4Hm7rKYhq50T9AgDVI= =pHNm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by subject
Hello Thomas, Did you try hitting End key ? :) Yes. It would worked it this first message is also highlighted, but of course, when I just click on the folder in the main window, the folder list and not the message list is focussed. So I would have to click on the first (or any other) message before hitting end has the desired effect. Try hitting end while the folder list is in focus. ;-) In that case, hit Tab and then End :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Relaying denied?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:5121667898.20021020002936;gmx.net, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' Not necessarily full-time access. The mailserver can be set to make a connection intermittently according to time and in the case of MDaemon also according to the presence of outgoing mail to be delivered. TF I agree with Dave here. Well, OK, you do not need to be online TF full-time, but a lot more than you would want if you have a TF pay-per-minute dial-up connection. If you're pressed for the time involved with doing direct deliveries then use a SmartHost. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta6 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1-cvs (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sdqAV8nrYCsHF+IRAsU5AJ9ZegdaijzkogYYJqrEDkhDXm5RQwCfVouX W214P6BNos1KWDJoerJ3f0A= =rUtH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Relaying denied?
Thomas, Saturday, October 19, 2002, 10:29:36 AM, you wrote: DC Sometimes the destination is not available. This not as common as one would think. TF This was a problem when I tried my own SMTP server a couple of years TF ago. The 'net might have improved in the meantime, tough. The net's performance has varied quite a bit over the years. Of course, it also depends on your own connectivity and the connectivity of your recipients. DC Hence, an SMTP sending engine needs persistence full-time access DC to all of the rest of the net. TF I agree with Dave here. Well, OK, you do not need to be online TF full-time, but a lot more than you would want if you have a TF pay-per-minute dial-up connection. It all depends on net performance, availability of the different destination SMTP servers, and the number/range of places you send to. Oh. And it depends on how much you demand fast, reliable service all time. For many it may not be like this so the comment that you'd be making yourself into an ISP is not a reasonable one. TF I was wondering about the terminology. Are you an ISP just because you TF run an SMTP-server for your own use, Sorry for creating confusion. I merely meant the term to describe a class of service, namely professional-level reliability and performance. d/ - Dave Crocker mailto:dhc2;dcrocker.net TribalWise http://www.tribalwise.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding Mail Management: Global Mail Despatcher
Hi Marck! In message mid:17124818306.20021019214849;silverstones.com on Saturday, October 19, 2002, 3:48:49 PM, you wrote: MDP That's because you have to look it up with the correct spelling (as MDP it appears in the menu) ;-). It also helps to use Message instead of Mail. :) -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, October 19, 2002, Tim Musson wrote... WM Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! WM for well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this WM piscatorial reference. MDP It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 MDP with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. It MDP is a way of conveying a tongue-in-cheek reprimand for a slight MDP transgression. IIRC 'trout' is also an old word for a really nasty flog. It's also a fish ;) A popular IRC client (mIRC) has a 'slap' command which uses the same thing (maybe where it was originally obtained?). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPbHpZiuD6BT4/R9zEQK24gCcD7Fk3mWwSvcdxMC7Fv72q/mMouEAnAwX j1VYHbDV7wXUwlB8fYnjBihy =8OT2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, October 19, 2002, Roelof Otten wrote... JA Another option is to copy the TBB file to another location. JA Rename that file to messages.uue, and open the file in winzip. JA You should see a lot of text files in it. Each text file is an JA email (except maybe the first). I know this and even tried it, but according to me it treats attachments (even html attachments) as separate files. And especially for a large folder it would be a hell of a job connecting (html-)attachments and messages back. This'd only apply if you store attachments seperately. And in some cases, the HTML portion isn't an attachment, it's the only part of the message. My version of WinZip (8.0) was unable to delete specific files from the .uue and therefore I decided not to mention it. It cannot... you have to extract it (as per my instructions), delete/move offending emails, recompress the file into .zip format and inside winzip go to Actions - UUEncode. I think I put those details in my instructions Or was it late and I only thought I did? - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPbHq2CuD6BT4/R9zEQIrmACcDw10NWAxaTNAOR5RIDHDJfP96OsAn2KS JllY1SxLHbVbFEouX4TjbiFB =EvRR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with Trojan Email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, October 19, 2002, Thomas Fernandez wrote... A virus that freezes TB? I would like to know which one that is. I'd probably guess it not to be a virus, but maybe a bad encoding type or some format in the email itself that is causing it to screw up. I believe Marck offered the most logical explanation and solution. Indeed he did... and if there is a remote chance he is mistaken (I have no doubt he isn't), there are now plenty of options to try :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPbHt3yuD6BT4/R9zEQIqYACgxHbGlscHyuH4QDdfZeNm3Uql+M8AoJlT oT57oW0H956o7AIg8Xb+qhPO =1EFh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply to problem
Good night list, I have a weird thing happening: one of the lists i'm subscribed to seems to have strange headers: sometimes the reply-to header doesn't contain the mail address of the list but that of the sender of a message, thus my reply doesn't get to the list. Some messages have only the to field with the mail address of the list, others have a combination of both. Is it the list set up or did i miss some setting in the TB!? -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. Democracy is mob rule, but with income taxes. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hey Luc, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6) Personal' was used to write mid:2439927923.20021020021339;pandora.be on Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:13:39 PM. L I have a weird thing happening: one of the lists i'm subscribed to L seems to have strange headers: sometimes the reply-to header L doesn't contain the mail address of the list but that of the L sender of a message, thus my reply doesn't get to the list. Some L messages have only the to field with the mail address of the L list, others have a combination of both. A couple of the lists I am on do the same thing. L Is it the list set up or did i miss some setting in the TB!? It is the list. What you can do in TB is set up a folder template (I believe this is the only time a folder template is recommended) that sends your reply to the list's address. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Keyboard Not Found - Press [F1] to Continue Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Good night Tim, It was foretold that on 20-10-2002 20:20:53 GMT-0400 (which was 2:20:53 where I live) Tim Musson would mumble: snipped a bit TM It is the list. What you can do in TB is set up a folder template (I TM believe this is the only time a folder template is recommended) that TM sends your reply to the list's address. I was afraid for that. As i'm not keen on folder templates, i'll make a Qt for it (the address is in my AB, so a QT will be better i guess). Tnx. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. A prune is a plum with experience. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Good night Luc, It was foretold that on 20-10-2002 @ 02:30:29 GMT+0200 (which was 2:30:29 where I live) Luc would mumble: snipped a bit L i'll make a Qt for it which doesn't work :(. Here's my QT: %SINGLERE%- %REPLYTO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %Qinclude=IE %BCC= %LANGUAGE=BR %Wrapped=%Qinclude='reply' %Qinclude=Snipper %Qinclude='REQ' %Qinclude='RTPOL' %CURSOR Best regards, %FromFName %Wrapped=%Qinclude='Bat versie' %Wrapped=%Qinclude='cookie' %NOUSEPGP Everything works, accept the replyto? It's getting late for me, so maybe i overlooked something? -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. They say that money isn't everything in life. Of course, they are talking about the money of others. - Sacha Guitry (French comedian) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hey Luc, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6) Personal' was used to write mid:19742166081.20021020025057;pandora.be on Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:50:57 PM. L snipped a bit me to! 8 snip Are you sure you want to set the replyto in a message you are creating? Don't you want to clear the old TO and set a new one? Here is how I have it set up. ,- [ My QT called perl ] | %TO=%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%CC= `- ,- [ Pertinent line in my Perl lists folder reply template. ] | %QInclude=perl `- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Hang up and drive. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
