Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Gavin Sinclair wrote... A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap. :-) One person's forest of crap might be another's wondrous choreography of sparkling ciphertext! Well, at least it could mean something to those who understand its reason for being. True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as all the header information that we care about, but don't really need to see. This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You wouldn't see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature. BTW I'm pretty sure some other mailers (Mozilla? KMail?) hide the PGP/GnuPG/OpenPGP metadata from view (which is all I want, not to see it removed), and it seems like a pretty good idea for TB! It depends on the format. I am not sure you'll find Mozilla stripping the pgp signatures from view if it is an inline signature, but you probably wouldn't see it if it was PGP/MIME signed. There is Sylpheed (or was it evolution... Syafril will probably know... I've completely forgotten myself) on Linux (there is a win32 version too) that does replace the normal PGP signatures (inline ones that is) with a padlock. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhKkySuD6BT4/R9zEQIyWQCg1EgSQQvS51nVV76QgDabUDlvrZgAoJ+U kOyMNJiLIb+9BYh0Fvx4FsOr =XJkL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: German security site endorsing TB
Hi Thomas, on Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:30:36 +0700 GMT (which was Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 05:30 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: For our German readers, this site has been recommended to me. It is mostly concerned with Security, Virus and Trojan protection, but commends The Bat! http://www.trojaner-info.de/inhalt.shtml I keep getting a DNS error. There is no problem to get this site! -- Best regards and to all A HAPPY NEW YEAR Roland I use The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 ! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Melissa!
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
(two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
October, and he said what I was doing worked.
Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:
1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its highlighted
line in the message list pane.
2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your regular
expression MACRO.
3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.
4) At that point The Bat! will ask, Save the Message (meaning the reply),
and the correct answer is No, since nothing has been written--the Reply
(text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.
Or is that a bad idea?
--
Mary
The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote...
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
[1] See comment a little further down :)
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M
%-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly. As you notice at [1]
it still has the PGP header line. The above code should have stripped
it. I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:
%quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
- -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
- -+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
\n+Get your FREE download|%-
\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a return
after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not had a problem
with it so far.
- --
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
=kUrU
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:07:53 -0500 GMT (01/01/03, 12:07 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: TF TB's editor will cut off any trailing blanks at the end of the TF line (with the exception of the one after the two dashes in the TF sig delimiter), and any trailing lines at the end of the text. Actually, this doesn't happen. Allie, I just sent a message to myself. It contained several empty lines at the end. When I received it, there were no empty lines at the end. (Checked this by marking with the mouse.) I did the same on TBOT, again the trailing empty lines are gone. Easy to see, as tehre is a Yahoo-footer. And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder, the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they are cut off by TB even before the message is sent. It's the GnuPG plug-in that specifically does this stripping of trailing blank lines. Signing with GPG Shell leads to preservation of blank spaces. I don't pretend to know the difference between the GnuPG plug-in and the GPG Shell, but maybe the former signs after TB's editor has cut off the empty lines, while the latter does the signing before saving (and thus, when TB's editor saves the message, the empty lines are not trailing any more but followed by more characters, namely the sig). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bureaucrats do not change the course of the ship of state. They merely adjust the compass. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hallo Jonathan, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:38:18 -0600GMT (1-1-03, 10:38 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JA Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the end, but the JA quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the front. I'm JA not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be willing to JA guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line. It does indeed. Recently it was discussed on this list. The %- at the end of a line tells TB to forget the Enter immediately following the %-. A %- at the beginning or in the middle of a line does nothing. Therefore Melissa's macro was looking for this: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED While it ought to look for -BEGIN PGP SIGNED However Melissa also stated that it ought to be put in one long line, that makes all %- macros rather useless, but it has the effect that the macro works, because there are no faulty line breaks. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Jonathan!
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 3:38:18 AM you wrote:
J [1] See comment a little further down :)
I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote
Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better just
to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the thread. :)
Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want anyone to be
disappointed, who tried to use my version.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M
J %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M
J SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
J I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly. As you notice at [1]
J it still has the PGP header line. The above code should have stripped
J it. I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
J The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:
J %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
J SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
J - -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
J \n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
J - -+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
J \n+Get your FREE download|%-
J \z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
J I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
J somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
J end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
J front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
J willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.
Again, thanks.
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
J Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a return
J after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
J use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not had a problem
J with it so far.
I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut'
line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip
it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't
manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO?
I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below
your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to
learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002.
Begin Copy-and-Paste:
J - --
J Jonathan Angliss
J ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
J -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
J iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J =kUrU
J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
J
J Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
J http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
End Copy-and-Paste.
J - --
J Jonathan Angliss
J ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
J -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
J iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J =kUrU
J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
J
J Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
J http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
--
Mary Bull
The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP signature removal?
Hello Mary,
Thank You for the bunch of BULL . (G)
Happy New Years,
Carl -reading the digest version
Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 2:45:03 AM, you wrote:
MB Hello Melissa!
MB On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
MB ...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
MB ...
MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
MB heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
MB used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
MB And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
MB of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
MB manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
MB now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
MB expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)
MB Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
MB hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
MB memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
MB line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
MB (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
MB If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
MB will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
MB the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
MB template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
MB courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
MB October, and he said what I was doing worked.
MB Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:
MB 1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its
highlighted
MB line in the message list pane.
MB 2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your
regular
MB expression MACRO.
MB 3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.
MB 4) At that point The Bat! will ask, Save the Message (meaning the reply),
MB and the correct answer is No, since nothing has been written--the Reply
MB (text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
MB delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.
MB Or is that a bad idea?
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Re: PGP signature removal?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:03:07 PM, Melissa wrote: I'll sign this one just for you. ;-) Melissa Heh, no manual deforestation required. Thanks again! Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest
of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum
were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's
metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as
all the header information that we care about, but don't really
need to see.
I agree with this completely.
JA This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You
JA wouldn't see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature.
PMMail 2000 doesn't use PGP/MIME and yet it very nicely deals with
the PGP metadata. It does exclude the PGP stuff from the viewer as
it does with the message headers.
In the status bar of the message viewer, you'll see that the message
the message has been PGP signed and whether or not the signature is
good/bad; valid/invalid. You therefore don't have to see the PGP
stuff within the message text and you don't have to manually check
the signature either.
We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer
features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail.
--
-=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls
MB from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick
MB Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one
MB long line.
MB And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif
MB Gregory made of me when I first joined this list in October,
MB 2002, I have been manually stripping everything below the cut
MB line (delimiter)for months now, before replying to it on the
MB list. What a joy to use your expression on this reply to you and
MB have everything gone in one click. :)
Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice?
I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will
work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the
%quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do
anything from then. :)
--
-=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
Actually, this doesn't happen.
TF Allie, I just sent a message to myself. It contained several
TF empty lines at the end. When I received it, there were no empty
TF lines at the end. (Checked this by marking with the mouse.)
TF I did the same on TBOT, again the trailing empty lines are gone.
TF Easy to see, as tehre is a Yahoo-footer.
TF And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder,
TF the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they
TF are cut off by TB even before the message is sent.
Ok, I now see where you're coming from and in that case, I do agree
with you. This does occur when nothing else is done with the message
text prior to being actually sent by TB!. However, we're not
referring to this.
We're referring to what happens to those extra line feeds when
the message is being signing by the PGP/GnuPG plug-in.
TF I don't pretend to know the difference between the GnuPG plug-in
TF and the GPG Shell, but maybe the former signs after TB's editor
TF has cut off the empty lines, while the latter does the signing
TF before saving (and thus, when TB's editor saves the message, the
TF empty lines are not trailing any more but followed by more
TF characters, namely the sig).
If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with
the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped. This is without
even hitting the send key. However, if I sign with GPG Shell, the
line feeds inserted by my signature template are preserved.
- --
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Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html
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=Tvcd
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tom, @1-Jan-2003, 17:33 +1100 (06:33 UK time) Tom Sadler [TS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TS Is this problem limited only to gnupg plugin or does it extend TS to pgp also? Just GnuPG. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EtTdOeQkq5KdzaARAkFbAJ4g41U9JhAbEWCYFiHlDQX0W2DFPwCg9DoT tI5VTyGyUE/LniqWaSobqA8= =w9oY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, @1-Jan-2003, 03:38 -0600 (09:38 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: JA The correct version taken right from the website looks like this: ... snip That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. It would be better to give the URL for it: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jonathan. Actually it is a note about the thread that seems to have become a haven of excessive quoting. Please remember to trim your reply to simply provide a context for your comments. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EtYFOeQkq5KdzaARAr30AKCKnVi1n50Jntbc3vmUPo+B9m18WQCgyjW+ zuO6su9Pd9KsJVT/s0gpbvQ= =eMqM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Tom Sadler [TS] wrote:'
TS I'll use a line separator. Is this problem limited only to gnupg
TS plugin or does it extend to pgp also?
Even if you manually sign with the PGP plug-in, extra line feeds
will be stripped. However, the PGP plug-in will leave or insert a
line feed before it's signature insertion.
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Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 6:03:49 AM you wrote: MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls MB from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick MB Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one MB long line. ... A Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice? Yes, because I forgot how to do the other templates. It has been a long time since I've had the use of this desktop machine (it crashed and had to be re-done, and so I forgot most of what was taught me in November. However, I thought, since Gavin (originator of the thread) did not know what templates were, that would be an easy route for him, also. It's the first use of templates that I learned. A I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will A work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the A %quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do A anything from then. :) So I can just copy and paste there (isn't it in Accounts, Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks, Allie. I will try it now. -- Mary The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB So I can just copy and paste there (isn't it in Accounts,
MB Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks,
MB Allie. I will try it now.
You can do the following:
Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab,
enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'.
Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it
from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and
paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you
don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.):
---start template
Hello %OFRomFName,
On %ODate, %OTime, you wrote:
%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%-
(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%-
-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)%-
%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3
--
Mary
The Bat! %THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME%-
%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION%-
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
- end template |
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Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, 7:15 AM, you wrote: ... A You can do the following: A Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address, A [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This entry I had already. A Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab, A enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'. A Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it A from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and A paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you A don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.) ... Thank you so much. I have done this now. Trying it out in this reply. I made one manual adjustment. In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter clicks below the 'cut' line. I just made an experiment of replying to one Lister, who said his form worked. (I had been manually deleting everything below the 'cut' line, when everything traveled into my Reply text editor window. That one time, I didn't manually delete what was below his line. And it all showed up on the Post when I received it. I do believe there must be two lines left empty below the (-- ). So I put them there in this message, although the template doesn't have them. That's simple to do manually. :) Again, thanks for your help. -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail that heavily relies on the courier font but then realized not everyone who gets my message might have courier installed or worst yet simply wish to view their text only in a variable sized width. Is their any way to override their settings and get my message displayed in a fixed width? I know not every one who works with e-mail uses the bat! Thanks and Happy 2003! - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhMEQF3LB35+TCg0EQIaNwCfUMaHQR3lepTBO8k3pF2DFyhwdh0An1ha 13CFToDjDv4kIOMt//nEiC// =YTif -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter
MB clicks below the 'cut' line.
For the signature delimiter to work? No, the extra empty lines
aren't necessary. If you prefer having them there then your choice
of course. :)
MB That's simple to do manually. :)
You could put in your template so you don't have to be doing it
manually all the time.
MB Again, thanks for your help.
You're welcome.
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
Hallo Victor B. Gonzalez, am Mittwoch, 1. Januar 2003 schriebst Du: Is their any way to override their settings and get my message displayed in a fixed width? Well, you need an answer for every mail program out there separately, I think. There's no way to do it in my old mail program, YAM, which is of course not very wide spread. HTH -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel - http://www.kuschelkirche.de/ - http://www.kuschelchaos.de/ Ev. Kirchengemeinde Gochsheim - http://www.stmichael-gochsheim.de/ AMIGAplus: alles für die Freundin - http://www.amigaplus.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail
VBG that heavily relies on the courier font but then realized not
VBG everyone who gets my message might have courier installed or
VBG worst yet simply wish to view their text only in a variable
VBG sized width.
VBG Is their any way to override their settings and get my message
VBG displayed in a fixed width?
cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since
you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;)
This is one useful advantage of HTML. However, this sort of control
is most often imposed on the recipient when unwelcome but I can
certainly appreciate your need for it under the circumstances you've
given.
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Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:18:20 -0500 GMT (01/01/03, 19:18 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: TF And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder, TF the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they TF are cut off by TB even before the message is sent. Ok, I now see where you're coming from and in that case, I do agree with you. This does occur when nothing else is done with the message text prior to being actually sent by TB!. However, we're not referring to this. I think we are. I think the plug-in kicks in after the save action of TB, which cuts off the extra empty lines. the shell version does its action before that. We're referring to what happens to those extra line feeds when the message is being signing by the PGP/GnuPG plug-in. Yes, I agree. But I believe it's the when the signing is done. If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped. While I am repeating myself, I don't think it's the GnuPG plug-in that strips the extra line feeds. Read on: This is without even hitting the send key. What if TB executes a save, which strips the extra lines, and the result is what the plug-in is executed on? *This is my point.* However, if I sign with GPG Shell, the line feeds inserted by my signature template are preserved. The shell (which is external) won't execute the save first, so the extra lines are not cut off. Remark: I don't know whether this is what actually happens, but it does make sense from a programmer's POV. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with
the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped.
TF While I am repeating myself, I don't think it's the GnuPG
TF plug-in that strips the extra line feeds. Read on:
This is without even hitting the send key.
TF What if TB executes a save, which strips the extra lines, and
TF the result is what the plug-in is executed on? *This is my
TF point.*
You may very well be right on this since signing with either the PGP
or GNUPG plug-in immediately after composing and without hitting the
send key does strip the extra line feeds at the end. Extra line
feeds are stripped even when not signing so the plug-ins may very
well be just innocent bystanders.
I do concede your point Thomas. :))
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Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... J [1] See comment a little further down :) I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better just to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the thread. :) Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want anyone to be disappointed, who tried to use my version. Don't take it as offence, or anything like that. Chances are, you were probably caught by a bad line wrap somewhere. Everybody gets caught by it at one time or another (check all those that paste their filters which contain a long event such as creating a batch file). [cut] J Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a J return after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. J In fact, I use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not J had a problem with it so far. I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut' line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO? Not in my case. I've PGP Signed my messages, which mean that the cut mark gets modified (although still half there). In this case, I put -- , but PGP modifies it to put - -- which as you can see is different, so TB wont' cut it. Hence the need for a macro. I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002. Begin Copy-and-Paste: Something else to note is that copying and pasting text might not get processed by macos, or TB internal macros (such as stripping signatures), unless you explicitly use the %CLIPBOARD macro. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMjOCuD6BT4/R9zEQKqKQCg9F2gSfHW3EInWmOO6Oi0SGA926IAoOex Ha5w+FgMbJWYhF3T1TqSgCaY =klwh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... JA The correct version taken right from the website looks like this: ... snip That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated no? http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#qtsamples Quick template #7. The odd thing is that is the one I use, and it strips just fine. Maybe it just accidentally works? http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction This one seems a little more extensive, containing catches for other things as well. Some of which would probably vanish if people used proper cut marks anyway (ie, adverts at the bottom of the emails). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMkpCuD6BT4/R9zEQKSSgCeM2+LnjBGG4QHJ6nq1m40Ec0nDtcAn13L CbB3lho8CrSm0lmW/L8tCT0S =AmN3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Allie Martin wrote... VBG I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail VBG that heavily relies on the courier font [..] VBG Is their any way to override their settings and get my message VBG displayed in a fixed width? cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;) Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear in just plain text alone. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMlnCuD6BT4/R9zEQLR0QCgzufSi0/Vpg0nW9gd41LxeMHx0QAAnihB 9uliQtveoOOJ7d0r0v8EVGTG =uUIA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, @1-Jan-2003, 11:25 -0600 (17:25 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. JA Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated JA no? Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EyiBOeQkq5KdzaARAhmhAJ4rbMKTxzFDrhtMr5yRn352WvkA8gCgkaTi TGWhcfzxPLdelYAjmNIHl1c= =o98q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other
JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails
JA as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being
JA there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear
JA in just plain text alone.
Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but
failed to mention myself. :)
In the end, specific instructions would likely be needed if you wish
to reach all audiences.
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[Intermediate cert][01/01/2003-17:47 GMT]
Does a certificate necessarily to be imported to the Intermediate to be later imported to the Trusted Root ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [01/01/2003, 17:47 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 --- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails JA as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being JA there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear JA in just plain text alone. I cannot edit rich mail in tb am I correct? I completely understand the font will not be on all computers but the only type of font needed is a *fixed width font* to be displayed with respect to my layout. AM Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but AM failed to mention myself. :) AM In the end, specific instructions would likely be needed if you wish AM to reach all audiences. I can compose HTML mail with another client and send it over to the bat, archive it and redirect it from there? It will still remain its formatting in HTML correct? Also what is the average size of an HTML letter that will not get heated the text only enthusiast? I know its a matter of taste and opinion but average? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhMvYF3LB35+TCg0EQLDYQCeJfpqLwel1jdF5RE6ZL4fLrQXhRkAn3VH kKMAf532j9lDhbKrDB+La//x =I/LW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 6:51:41 PM,Richard wrote: RW Hm, I've used ZA for a couple of years now and have never had that RW problem with any mail however big or small, even though I have the RW Mailsafe setting on. Richard, Having read many of the mails about this problem here and on other lists, it's my view that the problem arises mainly because of an incompatibility between ZoneAlarm and Win XP. Those of us using older versions of Windows appear to have less or no problems with ZA or ZA Pro. Using Win 98SE on all our boxes we use both ZA v2.6.362 and ZA Pro v2.6.231 with mail safe on all and have never had a single difficulty with them. (We cannot say the same about later versions of ZA - i.e. the v3 series as they were almost unusable for us!) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads - revisited
Saturday, December 28, 2002, 6:03:14 PM,Bruno wrote: BF It also gets a little confusing and tiring having all messages in BF the thread marked in the unread font/colour when there is only a BF single new message. Bruno, The way I got around this was to change the View settings for the folder to Display only New Messages - then all the read ones vanish from sight. To restore all messages to View afterwards simply press Ctrl+= and they are all back in sight. -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Anne, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 at 19:00:07[GMT +](which was 19:00 where I live) you wrote: it's my view that the problem arises mainly because of an incompatibility between ZoneAlarm and Win XP. Those of us using older versions of Windows appear to have less or no problems with ZA or ZA Pro. Using Win 98SE on all our boxes we use both ZA v2.6.362 and ZA Pro v2.6.231 with mail safe on all and have never had a single difficulty with them. (We cannot say the same about later versions of ZA - i.e. the v3 series as they were almost unusable for us!) Ah, never having used XP I maybe lucky. I don't think I've had any real problems with ZA and I have the latest 3.5.169. It seems to be slightly dependant on what subsiduary programmes are being run as well doesn't it? -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Allie Martin, We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail. Exactly right. Good P G P support is one reason I bought Bat. Among other things, I use digital signatures to verify consulting contracts with clients worldwide. My only wish for Bat would be better integration with Gnu P G. Such as a) customizable locations for the Gnu EXE that don't depend upon PATH environment var b) key manager c) integrated Gnu P G distribution/setup with Bat (not an internal implementation of Gnu P G though) -- for setup convenience of inexperienced dummy users who are totally confused by the Gnu P G web sites and public key systems generally -- so that they never have to even look at a Gnu P G website to use it Regards. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
retrieving message headers - slow
Up until two days ago collecting mail from this account was quick with the Connection Centre dialogue shoeing getting number of messages and then downloading them. Now, for some reason, I get a message saying retrieving message headers (which seems to go slowly) THEN getting number of messages, followed by message download. On a list like this, it's taking forever. I haven't changed any settings and my other accounts (different servers) are fine. Any suggestions, chaps? -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 3:34:50 PM, you wrote: (We cannot say the same about later versions of ZA - i.e. the v3 series as they were almost unusable for us!) Confirmed again. I've tried ZAP v3.x here, and it did cause all sorts of problems (even with a very complete un-installation of the previous ZAP version before installing). We have on our servers ZAP v3.x, and one of them was unstable and we weren't sure what it was, until we installed the latest version of ZAP(v3.5.169). After the installation of the latest version, everything runs smooth now. I had some problems before as well with MailSafe On(prior v3.5.169), until I upgraded to version 3.5.169, and I'm running Windows 2000 SP3 with all the updates. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 1:00:07 PM, you wrote: A Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 6:51:41 PM,Richard wrote: RW Hm, I've used ZA for a couple of years now and have never had that RW problem with any mail however big or small, even though I have the RW Mailsafe setting on. I can only report my findings. I run Windows 98SE with ZAPro 3.5.169.002 I worked my ISP technical support for several hours making a dozen callbacks in the process. They had me not just uninstall but remove Norton Antivirus. That had no effect. When they had me remove ZAPro, the mail which had been stuck on one of these peculiar messages suddenly downloaded with ease. When I reinstalled ZAPro, I discovered that the problem was dependent on the toggling of the Mailsafe option. 99% of the mail I receive goes thru fine with Mailsafe enabled. Once in a while a piece of mail will cause the download to hang and eventually time-out. With Mailsafe disabled, the troublesome piece of mail downloads with the rest of the batch. One subscription list has been generating these problem mails daily since December 15. I have no idea what change they made at that time. My efforts to communicate with a live person responsible for producing the daily mails have gone unanswered. You are welcome to subscribe to the list yourself and see if you can download the digest with Mailsafe enabled. The subscription list is beginning vb digest. You can subscribe to it at http://p2p.wrox.com/list.asp?list=beginning_vb One of the ISP tech support specialists noted that all of the problem mail which I have saved on the mail server exhibited some strange zero or negative time-stamp. The explanation was largely lost on me. The digests are not by any means huge, on the order 5K typically, so size is certainly not a meaningful factor. -- Best regards, Lawrencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. JA Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated JA no? Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that. Ahh... my bad... I should have realised that, commenting just earlier that PGP replaces lines starting with a - with - -. I should have just pasted a link, but the one you referenced was a bit better as it included some extra checking, and strips out more stuff :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?'
JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails JA as HTML :) Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but failed to mention myself. :) Of course, you could always (if you can afford it) produce the output in a PDF format with embedded fonts. That way, what you see is more likely to be what is going to come out on the other end. Unfortunately Acrobat isn't cheap, there probably are some 'freeware' or 'cheaper' versions floating about though. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?'
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
JA Of course, you could always (if you can afford it) produce the
JA output in a PDF format with embedded fonts. That way, what you
JA see is more likely to be what is going to come out on the other
JA end. Unfortunately Acrobat isn't cheap, there probably are some
JA 'freeware' or 'cheaper' versions floating about though.
PDF Factory - $69.95
http://www.fineprint.com/products/pdffactory/index.html
Ghost Script - Free but the learning curve heavy the last time I
tried it.
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/
PDF is a nice open format for this, yes. So is HTML. :)
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I cannot edit rich mail in tb am I correct?
Yes you are.
VBG I completely understand the font will not be on all computers
VBG but the only type of font needed is a *fixed width font* to be
VBG displayed with respect to my layout.
That's right, but it's really a long shot that your target audience
wouldn't have courier on their computers. It's a very basic font.
VBG I can compose HTML mail with another client and send it over to
VBG the bat, archive it and redirect it from there? It will still
VBG remain its formatting in HTML correct?
Yes.
VBG Also what is the average size of an HTML letter that will not
VBG get heated the text only enthusiast? I know its a matter of
VBG taste and opinion but average?
If it's HTML only, then the impact on size can be very modest
indeed. Especially if the HTML is just for plain text without fancy
stuff like tables etc.
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
On Wednesday, January 01, 2003 Allie Martin stated: AM cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since AM you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;) I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being unchanged then. We had a problem at work with people sending out 2-3MB attachments to large aliases via email. We (the system administrators) kept advising against this since a 2MB email sent to 100 people became a 200+MB file storage problem. The senior staff (CEO and VP's) finally stepped in to assist after their mail server crashed and was down for a few hours. Now the big files are put in a single (read-only) webpage and a 100byte email is sent announcing the update and its location. Cheers \\' Running TB! version 1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III with 512mb Ram Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Lawrence, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 at 15:05:17[GMT -0600](which was 21:05 where I live) you wrote: You are welcome to subscribe to the list yourself and see if you can download the digest with Mailsafe enabled. I just have done and it will be interesting to see if the same problems occur with my set up too. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug, or just odd RFC behaviour?
Hi All, I've noticed this a lot recently, but having worked with the SMTP RFC a bit, I don't remember if it is part of required behaviour, or if it is just something that TB is doing. If you start a new line with the word From, it'll make it appear as a reply, or if PGP signed, will put a - in front. If you a replying to a message, and start a new line with a From then it'll put a in front. Example: From a very silly example, this line will start off with a - or a You'll never see it while in compose, nor will you see it in the sent items. But when you look at the mail you receive, it has the appended to the line. A bug? Or required RFC behavior? I can understand it being partially expected behavior as some unix mail box storages use the From as a separator... ie: From Date time received message From other message date time received Message But SMTP doesn't concern mail storage, and From isn't an RFC command. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Wolffe [W] wrote:'
W I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a
W strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way
W to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the
W URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being
W unchanged then.
This is one approach yes. I'd probably do so myself if I were in
Victors position. Not because of bloated mail, but because it would
more induce the recipient to view the text in their browser.
W We had a problem at work with people sending out 2-3MB
W attachments to large aliases via email. We (the system
W administrators) kept advising against this since a 2MB email sent
W to 100 people became a 200+MB file storage problem. The senior
W staff (CEO and VP's) finally stepped in to assist after their
W mail server crashed and was down for a few hours. Now the big
W files are put in a single (read-only) webpage and a 100byte email
W is sent announcing the update and its location.
I agree with this instance, yes. However, Victor's intended HTML
message amounts to be bytes greater than the plain text version.
It takes very little HTML markup to convert plain text to HTML
format with the only intention being to embed the font face and
size.
HTML mail comes in all sizes and fancy presentations. It even comes
with it's plain text version.
However, I personally don't really have a problem with it once it's
used sensibly by 'those in the know'. Those in the know here being
those who know the issues with HTML mail and realize that their
audience comprise those using clients that support it.
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Re: Bug, or just odd RFC behaviour?
Hallo Jonathan, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:09:31 -0600GMT (1-1-03, 23:16 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JA I've noticed this a lot recently, but having worked with the SMTP JA RFC a bit, I don't remember if it is part of required behaviour, or JA if it is just something that TB is doing. If you start a new line JA with the word From, it'll make it appear as a reply, or if PGP JA signed, will put a - in front. If you a replying to a message, and JA start a new line with a From then it'll put a in front. I think it would be a server related item. I started a message to myself (via my local server) with this text: Even iets uitproberen. From: roelof to test I didn't receive it with a in front, neither with a dash. Not when I started a new message, nor when I replied. Not even when I tried it with your sample text. These kind of things have been mentioned before on this list and every time we could pinpoint an ISP. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug, or just odd RFC behaviour?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote... JA If you start a new line with the word From, it'll make it appear JA as a reply, or if PGP signed, will put a - in front. If you a JA replying to a message, and start a new line with a From then JA it'll put a in front. I think it would be a server related item. I started a message to myself (via my local server) with this text: Even iets uitproberen. From: roelof to test Not sure if the : would affect it or not, as that is considered a header line, while just From is a separator in some mail box storages. These kind of things have been mentioned before on this list and every time we could pinpoint an ISP. I just tested a different mail server, and I think I agree now. I thought it was something TB might have been doing. What it appears to be is mail servers that store mail in an mbox style file escape the From with a . I just tested on another mail server that stores mail in Maildir format, and it doesn't do it. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhN3FyuD6BT4/R9zEQKkcQCginwnkgbOvyQ8OI0jkLfjDSuinHkAn1hR jxx4Nd1Qqk8n59Y71ZgUDiBE =T3N5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 3:27:37 PM, Gavin wrote: Hi all, [PGP signatures argably shouldn't be displayed in emails,] but the help and the FAQ mention nothing. Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could all this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere? Cheers, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Gavin Sinclair [GS] wrote:'
GS Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could
GS all this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere?
It's already there in the macro and solutions library:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html
This library includes a lot of macros which you can use in your
templates.
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Re[2]: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:20:32 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Wolffe [W] wrote:' W I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a W strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way W to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the W URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being W unchanged then. I understand and do plan on passing a weblink to the content but for most of my email issues I do just want to make sure that a fixed width font will be displayed. Nothing special like tables, graphics, etc... AM This is one approach yes. I'd probably do so myself if I were in AM Victors position. Not because of bloated mail, but because it would AM more induce the recipient to view the text in their browser. People are lazy and if I have to make them take one more step to read my message I might as well lose them. For some it will not be a problem but you almost always guaranteed have a cry baby to cry over 1kb. 1kb and not even is what I think the HTML tags will throw into my message. I hope no one flips out about it. - --%-- AM It takes very little HTML markup to convert plain text to HTML AM format with the only intention being to embed the font face and AM size. Yes this is the idea. Nothing fancy just a text message with a little bit of bold and maybe a dash of italic. AM HTML mail comes in all sizes and fancy presentations. It even comes AM with it's plain text version. Plain text... maybe bold AM However, I personally don't really have a problem with it once it's AM used sensibly by 'those in the know'. Those in the know here being AM those who know the issues with HTML mail and realize that their AM audience comprise those using clients that support it. Trial and error from here on till the end my friends :) Thank you all for your good input, it is because of you all tbudl is as priceless as it is :) Happy 2003 :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhN67V3LB35+TCg0EQIifQCg1QVgez9lnQlzZrSwwiMZDDMGfOkAoJdZ 4KC8s+ur7canW3WuYXd2SGMt =J3Rk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm just starting to get my head around using PGP with The Bat! but I'm not entirely sure I have this set up correctly. I've installed PGP 6.5.8ckt and The Bat! seems to work with it reasonably. However, every time I ask for a signature to be verified, or a message to be decrypted, I get a duplicate of the message with (PGP Decrypted) appended to the subject. Is it really supposed to do that? It seems to me to be slightly less than elegant, but given that I'm new to PGP I'm willing to accept there might be a good reason for doing this (I just can't see it :-). I was expecting messages to be verified or decrypted in-line, so to speak, making use of the PGP passphrase caching. Making decrypted copies of a message that anyone passing my workstation can read when I'm not around seems to go against the objective of increasing privacy, IMO. Which is why I'm wondering if I've missed anything? Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0xCA4E46C2 iQA/AwUBPhOYgGG9Y2LKTkbCEQINygCg33JdwV9533GZKbfQFCxuHwXq9dEAoI9s tql1TwVLsj18VPwhyK5zrGg0 =Uw/B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Graeme, @2-Jan-2003, 01:40 Graeme J Hosking [GJH] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: GJH However, every time I ask for a signature to be verified, or a GJH message to be decrypted, I get a duplicate of the message with GJH (PGP Decrypted) appended to the subject. Is it really GJH supposed to do that? Yes - for decryption. Only encrypted signed messages will result in a decrypted version. Signature verification will result in the appearance of the PGP Log window containing the results of the verification. With the later ckt builds (09 beta 3 for instance) the result of the verification process is loaded into the clipboard ready to be pasted back into a response. GJH It seems to me to be slightly less than elegant, but given that GJH I'm new to PGP I'm willing to accept there might be a good GJH reason for doing this (I just can't see it :-). The reason is that the decryption is intended to be temporary - for viewing purposes only. I employ Read message filters to delete decrypted messages automatically after reading. I also employ special macros to enforce encryption and to remove the Decrypted from the subject when replying. GJH I was expecting messages to be verified or decrypted in-line, GJH so to speak, making use of the PGP passphrase caching. Making GJH decrypted copies of a message that anyone passing my GJH workstation can read when I'm not around seems to go against GJH the objective of increasing privacy, IMO. Which is why I'm GJH wondering if I've missed anything? Only deleting the decrypted version once read. If it were decrypted in-line then you really would lose that opportunity since the original message would be replaced with the decrypted version. S/MIME messages are actually handled more as you describe. BTW, if unattended security is of concern to you then you should seriously consider using SecureBat! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+E5p5OeQkq5KdzaARAqffAKCkOlMlQhBCiJ1ackrFpvFB8HqW4gCgouiW op2CiE+9rvdh7Z6ljwPScFQ= =XQjN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hi Marck, MDP The reason is that the decryption is intended to be temporary - for MDP viewing purposes only. I employ Read message filters to delete MDP decrypted messages automatically after reading. I also employ MDP special macros to enforce encryption and to remove the Decrypted MDP from the subject when replying. would you consider sharing some of those macros with the newbies - meaning myself ;) - on the list who've yet to really play with this kind of functionailty? cheers, Toby --- Life is poetry - write it in your own words. --- Toby Tremayne Technical Team Lead Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Toll Solutions 154 Moray St Sth Melbourne VIC 3205 +61 3 9697 2317 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAPhOeiUYhrxxXvPlFAQGCxgQArjKH+cwwIJue0wcCLfloGUkm+xjB5Kqv qF87O4zuPOgDYsZ0vtDZ0komAtD3SR008QE0+t+iOPxINhiHlf900pSqJ1N0zb4y ExcsgJg/Lyw9wWTDwCX69F+AfVcyKroi7UID/I8LVrlCiUI3ILTPVL63Ln5DpKtm XOldewl8gxs= =h5we -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Toby, @2-Jan-2003, 13:06 +1100 (02:06 UK time) Toby Tremayne [TT] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP ... I also employ special macros to enforce encryption and to MDP remove the Decrypted from the subject when replying. TT would you consider sharing some of those macros with the newbies TT - meaning myself ;) - on the list who've yet to really play with TT this kind of functionailty? Sure. Here's my QSUBJ Quick Template: %SUBJECT=Re: %SETPATTREGEXP='(?i)\A(?::?\s*)%- (?:(?:\s*(?:fwd|re|aw|fw|antwort|wg|forw)%- (?:\[\d*\])?:\s*)|(?:\s*\[.*\]\s*))*%- (.*?)(?:(?:\s*\((?:was|war):?.*\)\s*)|%- (?:\((?:PGP|S/MIME) Decrypted\)))*\z'%- %REGEXPMATCH='%OSUBJ' I use this in all my templates since it does the whole tidy up thing for all possible manglement of a subject line. It's an extrapolation of the standard one in the library I think. And here's a typical Read message filter to rid me of a decrypted copy. BeginFilter Name: Remove decrypted copy Active: 1 Source: \Inbox Target: \Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 20\(PGP Decrypted\) Actions: faDelMsg,faoRegExp EndFilter Anyone who doesn't know how to use one of these - just highlight the above text including the BeginFilter and EndFilter lines and press Ctrl-C (or Right Click / choose Copy from the menu). Now open up the Sorting office and click on the Read messages folder. Now press Ctrl-V to paste the filter in. That'll do it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+E5/8OeQkq5KdzaARAulhAJ0d5lNAjRC1Q0KDzZp1LLz7MoL2mACfVm8b BpRykJiEwV0kdawlvear8IY= =jjz0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hi Marck, ta muchly - I'll enjoy playing with these! Thursday, January 2, 2003, 1:12:08 PM, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAPhOke0YhrxxXvPlFAQH/rQP+N83Y5QXrEM4790xagUzDv/shoSPNpdow 675WYKoktPuJau1p9wHpFpon1t5/p+ICPqyB7N8O8a2A3Qeu+8cTrTfPymGSnmmK 6GRxNjjF6bJInP4Wb7TJkWaZK1WHltJIuG/4Kf31zaKEvneHBgbTb3FG3tvkoF24 nLcGnnPs850= =BlUR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Command line for sending mail from a certain account?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, MDP I'm not quite sure why it should do that and I don't think it MDP should. If it does, it may be a bug. I have this macro %SUBJ right at the top in my body but when I launch the shortcut that macro no longer works. VBG The %SUBJ macro is good because while in the account if I VBG have it set in my template and begin to compose a new VBG message, the macro takes the value of the actual subject. MDP Hang on - %SUBJ is a macro to *retrieve* the current subject. But MDP you're deliberately not setting one. %SUBJECT= is the macro to set a MDP subject. VBG Below is the actual macro in use. VBG - - -- VBG %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%SUBJ VBG %DATE, %OTIMELONG VBG Website Version: http://www.drafts.vbgunz.com VBG - - -- VBG When I click compose a new message is started. Though there VBG is no subject defined, it appears in the body *after* I set VBG it in the subject field and this is what it looks like... VBG - - -- VBG How to Trouble Shoot Command Lines in The Bat! VBG Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 3:04:58 PM VBG Website Version: http://www.drafts.vbgunz.com VBG - - -- How do I get the command to focus it's cursor into the subject field and not the body? MDP Ah - that's what you're after. Not possible, I'm sorry to say. The MDP cursor's only resting place when the editor is opened by automated MDP means is the body. Well I've come up with a work around thats not that bothersome. I simply created a shortcut with no command line. Just a simple blank mailto: As long as that specific account is active in the bat, when I click on the mailto: shortcut in my quick launch bar the %SUBJ macro in the body is not tampered with :) I'm happy with it. Thanks to everyone who helped me out :) Happy 2003 - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhOpDl3LB35+TCg0EQKXZQCfXsvjKsxSZdW2YQKrcL282oMb1p0AoOCp h+QeSSPyHhqHRT1UyDILmoW3 =F8cv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: retrieving message headers - slow
Hello Clive, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:40:27 + GMT (02/01/03, 03:40 +0700 GMT), Clive Taylor wrote: Now, for some reason, I get a message saying retrieving message headers (which seems to go slowly) THEN getting number of messages, followed by message download. When the headers are retrieved before the actual download begins, it means that TB needs to look at them first. This will be the case when you have Selective Download filters (at least one). Also, if you leave messages on the server for x days, TB must look whether any older messages are there and delete them first (but then, you would see deleting message #17 before the download starts). I haven't changed any settings and my other accounts (different servers) are fine. Any suggestions, chaps? I have more ideas. But let's start with the obvious first. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 1:37:53 AM, you wrote: AM Actually, this doesn't happen. It's the GnuPG plug-in that AM specifically does this stripping of trailing blank lines. AM Signing with GPG Shell leads to preservation of blank spaces. AM See my signature below. How would you see blank space? Could you load a character set that turns spaces into dots? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:[The Bat! choosing authentication method (was: emptysubject)][02/01/2003-3:55 GMT]
A lot of theory. However, TheBat cant handle secure IMAP4/secure POP3 connections flawlessly (as Outlook and Netscape do). That's what counts to me. I still have to use another mailer (which I really dislike) to handle my university account from home and within campus (because TB wont handle this IMAP thing until v 2.). I have read all of the IMAP related archives. Nothing works and this issue is very important both for our functionality in mailing+security matters *and* the success of TheBat (everyone is going IMAP+secure). This is one story: I recommended TB to the top 2 system guys to find out it couldnt connect to the IMAP4 server ... it was a shame. And they left the program aside like a potato chips bag when it is empty. In fact, I am not sure whether they will ever waste their time again on this matter. TB is still the best mailer I have ever seen. It is (IMO) a result of brilliant programmers - but hey, we need this secure thing to fly flawlessly: just click here to exchange certificates and all is done automatically. This thing of going to IE, exporting/importing certificates, etc. cannt be handled by 90% of the academic users. And nobody has an army of system guys to go around n users desks to configure this. That's why Netscape and Outlook are selected for this matters (while they are much worse mailers). Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [02/01/2003, 3:55 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 31/12/2002, 21:39] Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PP 1.) The Bat! uses the authentication method it is configured PP to us ... Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Lawrence, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 at 15:05:17[GMT -0600](which was 21:05 where I live) you wrote: You are welcome to subscribe to the list yourself and see if you can download the digest with Mailsafe enabled. Well, I joined the list just before going to bed and woke to find that TB! had hung on the first connection to the list and that was only to receive the joining confirmation so something is certainly seriously wrong because, as soon as I disabled ZA, the message and all others came through straight away. I couldn't see anything strange in the headers but that means nothing as I'm not particularly literate as far as understanding them goes. Now that's strange. Whilst typing this message the list unsubscribe mail acceptance has just come through with ZA working. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
