how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hello tbudl, Let's assume, we have an account with extremly big sent mail folder The option Bind attachments only while sending out mail wasn't active - so my suspection is all the attachments are stored in MESSAGES.TBB file. Is there any program/trick/way I could use to get rid all the attachments stored in message bodies ? As an effect I expect a clean MESSAGES.TBB file with clean messages in it without any attachments ... -- Best regards, ZdroYY mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Promocja Grudniowa Serwery www, konta e-mail www.oferta.alpha.pl Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: retrieving message headers - slow
Hello Thomas TF When the headers are retrieved before the actual download begins, it TF means that TB needs to look at them first. This will be the case when TF you have Selective Download filters (at least one). Ah! I think you may have it, Thomas. When I look at the filters for this account, there is an unnamed selective filter defined with no filtering parameters. I've deleted it and will report back after I next connect. Regards -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: retrieving message headers - slow
Hello Thomas TF When the headers are retrieved before the actual download begins, TF it means that TB needs to look at them first. This will be the TF case when you have Selective Download filters (at least one). You were right, Thomas. That odd filter was causing that behaviour. Many thanks -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! choosing authentication method
Hi CEEJOE, First let me please you to _NOT_ CC me when replying to a mail of mine on this list. I am, as everybody else who writes to this list, subscribed here and do get all the mail via this list. I don't need a private carbon copy. Second I want to ask why you do change the subject in such a strange manner? Neither the square brackets are useful to keep an overview, nor does any arbitrary time appended to the subject make any sence to me. Is there a special reason why we should have an eye on this time? On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:08:06 + CEEJOE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of theory. That's the basics of e-mail working in practice. However, TheBat cant handle secure IMAP4/secure POP3 connections flawlessly It can handle SSL-secured POP3 and SMTP connections. With some SSL versions on server side there still are problems, but in general The Bat! can handle SSL for SMTP and POP3. The only thing it still ain't capable to do is: IMAP-over-SSL. That's what counts to me. AFAIR this thread wasn't about what counts to you, neither was my response. My mail was about what authentication and security mechanism are present in The Bat! and how are they chosen to be used. If you don't like The Bat! not fully supporting some functions you'd need that's a different story. _I_ just wanted to clear the confusion about CRAM-MD5 vs. SSL. In fact, I am not sure whether they will ever waste their time again on this matter. If even _you_ call this waste of time they surely will not. If IMAP and IMAP-over-SSL are implemented and working (according to what Beta-testers and daily use brings to daylight) they wouldn't waste time, IMHO ... TB is still the best mailer I have ever seen. It is (IMO) a result of brilliant programmers - but hey, we need this secure thing to fly flawlessly: just click here to exchange certificates and all is done automatically. There's a big difference between SSL working flawless and automatition of certificate exchange. The former statement is correct: it _has_ to work flawless, _absolutely_ flawless. Into this category belongs the fixing of unable to connect errors that are coused by a specific SSL-version on server side (which works with every other MUA). The latter postulation can open a big security hole if not handled carefully. These Click here once and everything is done automatically buttons are always possible intruders of security issues. I don't even know how to exchange certificates could be done, but the whole certificate problem has a two step solution: Step one requires RITLabs to provide a generic interface for an institution / system administrator to add a Trusted Root CA to the appropriate AB automatically. Either by being able to put the Trusted Root CA AB on a server for a central administrator being able to modify it (and _only_ the admin being able to do so) and import an own Root-certificate into this AB; or by providing an automatic post installation import of a Trusted Root Certificate into this AB. This could, just for being sure, expanded to Trusted Intermediate CA AB. No user would have problems anymore connecting to a server using a certificate signed by this Root certficate or any derived intermediate certificate. Step two would be to introduce a new dialog box: ,-[ ] | Accept this self signed certificate? | | Fingerprint: XXX | Please compare the fingerprint with information the servers | administrator provided to the used certificate to make sure this is | the correct server | | [ ] Always accept (import to Trusted Root CA) | DetailsOK Cancel `- Which pops up if a connection is established and the used certificate is a self singed not yet in Trusted Root CA AB. Details could reveal more details about the certificate for the user being able to compare this with information provided e.g. on a web site, to make sure there's no man in the middle attack. All this are semi-automatic solutions, but from a Security POV this should be preferred over one of these Click here once to do it all without you even knowing _what_ is done buttons. But all this stuff wasn't topic of this thread and therefore should be discussed in a different one. Even better it should be discussed on TBTECH or TBBETA, it's nothing that's yet implemented and therefore these basic discussion of possible solutions is not a problem of The Bat! Users but a How to improve future use? problem. [Original message, 31/12/2002, 21:39] Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PP 1.) The Bat! uses the authentication method it is configured PP to us ... Three quesions still left: 1.) Why did you quote this paragraph of my mail? I can't see the correlation to your response. 2.) Why did you quote if _below_ your response? If you refer to it in your post it's more wise to quote it at top, if you don't refer to it it should be left out to avoid confusion. 3.) Is there a special reason for you not
Re: Blank lines in template
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I select the text with the mouse.
You can try it with my signature delimiter. You'll see the extra
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Re: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marck, Only encrypted signed messages will result in a decrypted version. Ah, so it does. I was keying CTRL-SHIFT-D for signed messages, instead of CTRL-SHIFT-C. If it were decrypted in-line then you really would lose that opportunity since the original message would be replaced with the decrypted version. By in-line what I was really trying to say is on-the-fly - TB! should always store the message as it was received. So if I received a signed message and want it displayed in the viewer TB! would do it's best to check the signature automatically. Similarly with encrypted messages, if I have a cached passphrase in PGP then there is nothing to stop TB! decrypting the message for me when I open it in the viewer. There should, of course, always be a way to view the message as it was originally transmitted if you are interested in that. For me it's the manual intervention on every message that is signed or encrypted that makes it feel less integrated. BTW, if unattended security is of concern to you then you should seriously consider using SecureBat! It's not a major concern for me, just an example of why I'm not so keen on the decrypted copies of messages. If TB! was decrypting as it went the PGP passphrase caching would alleviate this problem to some degree. Thanks for your response, I will give that example Read filter a try. Regards, Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0xCA4E46C2 iQA/AwUBPhQizWG9Y2LKTkbCEQIKPwCg+U7/k8df/Tbla6CcLyVjwEoulcMAoKzs /mHBcxXsjXJ0Qw9cVIJh2J4h =WFf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hallo ZdroYY, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:31:44 +0100GMT (2-1-03, 9:31 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: Z Let's assume, we have an account with extremly big sent mail folder Z The option Bind attachments only while sending out mail wasn't Z active - so my suspection is all the attachments are stored in Z MESSAGES.TBB file. That's a correct assumption. ;-) Z Is there any program/trick/way I could use to get rid all the Z attachments stored in message bodies ? Don't know about a trick or a separate program, but you can do that with TB. First select the message, then select the attachment, then delete the attachment (by pressing Delete) Z As an effect I expect a clean MESSAGES.TBB file with clean messages Z in it without any attachments ... To get that you must compress the sent mail folder after you've deleted all attachments. Just tried it and I got 3 MB free after deleting three digital photos. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 12:36:49 PM, you wrote: RO but you can do that RO with TB. First select the message, then select the attachment, then RO delete the attachment (by pressing Delete) It might help to know that there is View|Display|only msg with attachments -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Confidence is crucial to good golf. Confidence is simply the aggregate of the thoughts you have about yourself. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dictionary question
Hello Daniel, On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 at 12:12:55[GMT -0400](which was 16:12 where I live) you wrote: I don't think it's a bug. It is working for me when selecting the French dictionary. When you look in Spell Checker - Dictionaries, it only shows the American English and User dictionaries. I had to add the French dictionary file to the list, and I did the same for the British English dictionary and I've only just realised why I was having the same problems as John as regards the English dictionary. When the international Bat is installed there is no mention that the english dictionary has to be actually selected and why should it be done in the Edit Message window rather than in the main toolbar? Anyway it is now installed and working thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hallo Gerard, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:00:59 +0100GMT (2-1-03, 13:00 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: RO but you can do that with TB. First select the message, then RO select the attachment, then delete the attachment (by pressing G It might help to know that there is View|Display|only msg with G attachments That might make it easy to find the messages with attachments. The same could be said about sorting on attachments. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Richard, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 11:51:25 PM, you wrote: RW Well, I joined the list just before going to bed and woke to find that RW TB! had hung on the first connection to the list and that was only to RW receive the joining confirmation so something is certainly seriously RW wrong because, as soon as I disabled ZA, the message and all others RW came through straight away. I couldn't see anything strange in the RW headers but that means nothing as I'm not particularly literate as far RW as understanding them goes. RW Now that's strange. Whilst typing this message the list unsubscribe RW mail acceptance has just come through with ZA working. Thank you for confirming that I am not nuts. Any message from that source caused the message download to hang with ZA Mailsafe enabled, not just the digests. There were a handful of other messages from other sources that also hung the download since I encountered this problem, but this was the main culprit. Once again, just to exonerate TB!, I see similar hangs/timeouts with Netscape Messenger and Outlook Express. Now that the holidays are officially over, I'll follow up with ZoneLabs and see if they received my bug report. -- Best regards, Lawrencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Hello M. Evans, On or about Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 08:15:20GMT -0700 (which was 10:15 AM in the tropics where I live) M. Evans rambled: ME A common problem with address books is that people want to enter data ME in one program only, and then use it in many other programs, on other ME computers, and on their Palm pilots. A major reason why virus code works so well! ME XML is really beautiful in that it ensures longevity and migration ME capability for arbitrary data. It eliminates the need for custom ME file formats that are readable by only one program. This type of ME flexibility is ideal for address books that should be usable by ME multiple programs. Including virus engines! I like the fact that the address book in TB! is a bit non-standard and hope it stays that way, or even becomes LESS standard! Be careful what you wish for, you may get it! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Tagline theft should be a capital offense! -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Lawrence, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 at 06:43:01[GMT -0600](which was 12:43 where I live) you wrote: Now that the holidays are officially over, I'll follow up with ZoneLabs and see if they received my bug report. I'd be interested to hear what they have to say. In the meantime I'll continue with ZA, partly because un installing it is such a terrible hassle, although I've had a good look at the Kerio site and even downloaded the programme just in case! -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, Sometimes thread view works fine but other times it works in reverse... I mean upon opening the tbudl folder all threads are collapsed and when I click on a new subject I realize I clicked on a response. Being I have a filter that sorts read messages for my tbudl folder the second that reply loses focus, its gone. The actual thread starter is buried within the thread and I have to work my way up (Open the thread, scroll to the bottom, start there). This is beginning to happen to me most of the time I open my tbudl folder to read messages. -- I also noticed (thanks to my Mozilla e-mail client) that my signatures get broken up... What I mean is the dash, dash, space (-- ) gets converted to a (- -- ) and it then allows for my entire signature to be caught up in a reply. Is this a bug? Is there a fix? Is there a work around? Happy 2003, Day 2! :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhQ4cl3LB35+TCg0EQKzjQCcDOveK8vZ+E7hfRoEvYiIwKij57kAoN9x dd47rAiqq+n2QKL/tugrRKwP =/NaO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hi all, I'm communicating with one particular person who wraps everything at about 50 characters, it seems, so her quotations of my replies (at 70 characters) get ugly. The simplest way to prevent this is to wrap my stuff at about 50 characters also. Can I do this for a single message? If, as I suspect, the answer is no, then here's one more reason to allow editing in an external editor. Cheers, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Victor, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 7:03 AM, you wrote: big snip V I also noticed (thanks to my Mozilla e-mail client) that V my signatures get broken up... What I mean is the dash, V dash, space (-- ) gets converted to a (- -- ) and it then V allows for my entire signature to be caught up in a reply. This is what my exchange of Posts with Jonathan Angliss was all about. And it is a characteristic of The Bat!, as I finally came to understand at the end of that conversation. V Is this a bug? Is there a fix? ... V ... Is there a work around? Yes. It's a template. http://silverstones.com/www.silverstones.com/thebat/library.html V Happy 2003, Day 2! :) And to you, too! -- Mary -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Mary Bull The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hi, Gerard wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : It might help to know that there is View|Display|only msg with attachments There is also another quick way to filter what you see. Click on any item (read/unread, attachment, parked, flagged, name, subject, date) in the summary view while keeping the Alt key depressed and only similar messages will be displayed. This display filter is kept active in all folders until you press the Esc key. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, 14:18, Mary Bull wrote: V I also noticed (thanks to my Mozilla e-mail client) that my V signatures get broken up... What I mean is the dash, dash, space V (-- ) gets converted to a (- -- ) and it then allows for my entire V signature to be caught up in a reply. This is what my exchange of Posts with Jonathan Angliss was all about. And it is a characteristic of The Bat!, as I finally came to understand at the end of that conversation. It depends on what you are referring to. How other programs handle - -- as a signature delimiter I do not know, but it's not TB!'s fault that the extra - is inserted before the correct delimiter. Try signing a text with -- at an otherwise empty line in any other program if you want to verify. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug importing from Outlook Express
I just thought I'd let the list know that when I imported my messages from Outlook Express, two characters were missing from the end of each message! Fortunately, the last two characters of any given message are usually predicatable sign-off material, but still... Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hello Markus, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 at 14:18:22[GMT +0100](which was 13:18 where I live) you wrote: There is also another quick way to filter what you see. Click on any item (read/unread, attachment, parked, flagged, name, subject, date) in the summary view while keeping the Alt key depressed and only similar messages will be displayed. This display filter is kept active in all folders until you press the Esc key. Gosh, the things you learn from this list. How very useful. Thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hi, On Thursday, January 2, 2003, 14:18, Mary Bull wrote: V I also noticed (thanks to my Mozilla e-mail client) that my V signatures get broken up... What I mean is the dash, dash, space V (-- ) gets converted to a (- -- ) and it then allows for my entire V signature to be caught up in a reply. It depends on what you are referring to. How other programs handle - -- as a signature delimiter I do not know, but it's not TB!'s fault that the extra - is inserted before the correct delimiter. Try signing a text with -- at an otherwise empty line in any other program if you want to verify. The problem is, that The Bat! displays the message is has received, not the output of PGP. During the process of signing the message lines starting with -- are replaced with - --. This replacement ist undone when verifying the message (Try signing and verifying a text using PGP itself). Some time ago I sent a message to Ritlabs and to Imad R. Faiad, but never received an answer. Bis demnaechst. Alex -- A . Kleiser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition (Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600) Was macht die kahle Saengerin? - Sie traegt immer noch die gleiche Frisur. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Marcus, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 7:42 AM, you wrote: snip M It depends on what you are referring to. How other programs handle M - -- as a signature delimiter I do not know, but it's not TB!'s fault M that the extra - is inserted before the correct delimiter. Try M signing a text with -- at an otherwise empty line in any other M program if you want to verify. I did not mean to imply that it is The Bat!'s fault. PGP does this, and The Bat! of course can no longer recognize it as a 'cut' line. For two months I had been manually deleting everything that got imported into the Reply text editor window, in an effort to comply with TBUDL'S quote protocol, with which protocol I am in complete agreement. (And I am not against PGP. Have keys myself. Just have a %NOUSEPGP in most of my templates, including TBUDL's address book Reply entry.) Now I find that those in the know have a template--either in the default Reply Template in Accounts, or in individual address book entry templates, or--not really good--in folder templates. This template has to be in the settings of the recipient. So far as I know, the sender cannot provide a work-around, if he/she is signing with PGP. But it's a godsend. I have only been using The Bat! for about two months, and there's much I don't know. But I regard this template that I discovered, only yesterday, with the help of a few listers and a couple of moderators, with the zeal of a missionary. ;) I am not going to bother checking out other e-mail clients. I am sure they are just as discombobulated with this as TB! The Bat! as e-mail client Forever! Yay. Three cheers for its templates! -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Mary Bull The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Autocompleting
In the message Finder, I did a search. Then I decide to do another search, and just type over a couple letters from the phrase of the first search. It deletes the whole phrase, and I have to type it over again. I try typing again, and a long email address suddenly pops up! Hmmm, I check out Preferences/System Autocomplete. The checkbox is unchecked. I'm running Windows XP. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug importing from Outlook Express
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, 8:54:36 AM, Gavin Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS I just thought I'd let the list know that when I imported my messages GS from Outlook Express, two characters were missing from the end of each GS message! Fortunately, the last two characters of any given message GS are usually predicatable sign-off material, but still... You're lucky. When I did this way back when, MANY messages were majorly corrupted. I had to use Eudora's import/export tools as an intermediary between OE and TB! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug importing from Outlook Express
Hello jwayne, On Thursday, 2. January 2003, at 09:38:30 [GMT -0500] you wrote: On Thursday, January 2, 2003, 8:54:36 AM, Gavin Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS I just thought I'd let the list know that when I imported my messages GS from Outlook Express, two characters were missing from the end of each GS message! Fortunately, the last two characters of any given message GS are usually predicatable sign-off material, but still... You're lucky. When I did this way back when, MANY messages were majorly corrupted. I had to use Eudora's import/export tools as an intermediary between OE and TB! have a look at: http://fkeeps.com/fmorph/fmindex.htm -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition System: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 6.58ckt Build 08 | Key: 0xABBB7287 ICQ:121117424 (hardly ever there) HP: http://mirror.at/thebat Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 2:02:39 PM, you wrote: RW Hello Lawrence, RW On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 at 06:43:01[GMT -0600](which was 12:43 where I RW live) you wrote: Now that the holidays are officially over, I'll follow up with ZoneLabs and see if they received my bug report. RW I'd be interested to hear what they have to say. In the meantime I'll RW continue with ZA, partly because un installing it is such a terrible RW hassle, although I've had a good look at the Kerio site and even RW downloaded the programme just in case! Hi Richard, Un-installing ZA USED to be a hassle. No just go to add/remove programs and ZA will disappear, after which you can install Kerio. I did it a month ago and had no problems. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sudden success at golf is like the sudden acquisition of wealth. It is apt to unsettle and deteriorate the character. And, as it comes almost miraculously, so only a miracle can effect a cure. ==P.G Wodehouse - THE MAGIC PLUS FOURS == Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleting threads
Monday, December 30, 2002, 8:06:03 PM, you wrote: I've just started using the Bat and am impressed although occasionally I stumble slightly. One of the things I have stumbled on is how to delete a thread. In mailing lists there are often threads that I am not interested in and so I want to delete all the messages in the thread. Even if the thread is collapsed it only deletes the first message in the thread. Can someone help me out? Best Wishes Sharon Oops yes - so obvious I didn't think to look there. Thanks everyone. Best Wishes Sharon Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug, or just odd RFC behaviour?
Jonathan, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 2:16:35 PM, you wrote: Jonathan Hi All, Jonathan I've noticed this a lot recently, but having worked with the SMTP Jonathan RFC a bit, I don't remember if it is part of required behaviour, or Jonathan if it is just something that TB is doing. If you start a new line Jonathan with the word From, it'll make it appear as a reply, The right angle-bracket is inserted at the beginning of a line that starts with From by Sendmail. It does this in order to ensure that email with line starting with From are not confused with the start-of-message line that Sendmail uses for internal storage. The fact that this behavior is visible in mail being relayed through SMTP is a bug in Sendmail. d/ -- Dave mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brandenburg InternetWorking http://www.brandenburg.com t +1.408.246.8253; f +1.408.850.1850 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Gerard, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 at 16:16:50[GMT +0100](which was 15:16 where I live) you wrote: Un-installing ZA USED to be a hassle. No just go to add/remove programs and ZA will disappear, after which you can install Kerio. Are you sure? I remember not that long ago being pointed to a well hidden page on the ZA site which took you through a long rigmarole of removing various items from the registry to completely remove it. I've had a look but can't find it at the moment. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
M., Xml encodings of vcard have been specified separately by the W3C and the jabber instant messaging community: http://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf and http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0054.html Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 7:15:20 AM, you wrote: M. Neither Bat nor PhoneDeck support what I really want, which is an XML M. address book. I am sure such formats have already been defined. What d/ -- Dave mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brandenburg InternetWorking http://www.brandenburg.com t +1.408.246.8253; f +1.408.850.1850 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: retrieving message headers - slow
Hello Clive, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:30:45 + GMT (02/01/03, 16:30 +0700 GMT), Clive Taylor wrote: You were right, Thomas. That odd filter was causing that behaviour. Many thanks You're welcome. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Unsere Autos prallten genau in dem Augenblick zusammen, als sie sich begegneten. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
On 02 January 2003, 11:36, Roelof Otten wrote: Don't know about a trick or a separate program, but you can do that with TB. First select the message, then select the attachment, then delete the attachment (by pressing Delete) ~~~ I haven't tried this, but it could be worth an experiment. In Account Properties / Files Directories, there is an option to store attachments in a separate directory (that is, outside the message base). Would TB apply this to existing messages? If so, could you then use the TBB file apart from the attachment directory? HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Psychoceramics ... the study of crackpots. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 5:32:30 PM, you wrote: GL I haven't tried this, but it could be worth an experiment. In Account GL Properties / Files Directories, there is an option to store GL attachments in a separate directory (that is, outside the message GL base). Would TB apply this to existing messages? If so, could you then GL use the TBB file apart from the attachment directory? Even if it doesn't, what I would expect, coping the complete msg base with a purge+compress in betwen should do the trick. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Break - 1.The shifting or changing of the direction of a putt caused by the slope or slant of a green. 2. The splitting or shattering of the shaft of a putter caused by the rage or wrath of a player who misread the break. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 5:19:35 PM, you wrote: RW Are you sure? I remember not that long ago being pointed to a well RW hidden page on the ZA site which took you through a long rigmarole of RW removing various items from the registry to completely remove it. I've RW had a look but can't find it at the moment. Hi Richard, You right, that is what I thought to including some registry editing but I did neither it everything works as it should. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Universal Laws of Golf: Your best round of golf will be followed almost immediately by your worst round ever. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to ged rid of attachments from message base ?
Hallo Geoff, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:32:30 +GMT (2-1-03, 17:32 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: GL I haven't tried this, but it could be worth an experiment. In GL Account Properties / Files Directories, there is an option to GL store attachments in a separate directory (that is, outside the GL message base). Would TB apply this to existing messages? No. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I wish to unsubscribe
Hello I've been trying to unsub from this list for days now. I've been to the site and unsubbed every EMail address I can think of that i may have used to subscribe. But I'm still here. Can anyone help!? -- __ _ _ __ _ _ __ __ _ _ _ //\/ _ /\/_ __/\/ _ /\/ _ /\/ // /\/ ___/\_ / // / / _ / /\/ /\_\/ _ / / _ / / // / / /_-,\/_ // /_//_/ / /_/ / /_//_/ // // // ,__ \\/\_\\_\/ \_\/ \_\\_\/\\/\\/\\/___ .this Email has been brought to you by the Databug ©. Other EMail:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ Nr:- 87314826 IRC Nicks:- Databug, MadMango Homepage:- http://www.arkofnoah.co.uk Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hallo Gavin, On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:06:06 +1100GMT (2-1-03, 14:06 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: GS The simplest way to prevent this is to wrap my stuff at about 50 GS characters also. Can I do this for a single message? Don't think so, unless you change your editor preferences before and after writing the message. It's not that difficult and seems to upset you quite bit, so you could consider it: Options-Editor Preferences-General-Wrap text at ... characters. GS If, as I suspect, the answer is no, then here's one more reason to GS allow editing in an external editor. Why? Somebody sends you crap, so you store it as crap. If it really, really bothers you, you could wrap everything at 50. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I wish to unsubscribe
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 7:06:11 PM, you wrote: D Hello D I've been trying to unsub from this list for days now. I've been to the site D and unsubbed every EMail address I can think of that i may have used to D subscribe. But I'm still here. Can anyone help!? Hi Databug, Didn't anyone tell you? Subscriptions are for life! Oke there is a way out. While reading this email go to Special|mailinglist|unsubscribe Sorry to see you leave. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Youre a golfaholic if You think that some day you'll shoot your age, when a more realistic goal would be to shoot your weight! Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hello Roelof, and Gavin, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 12:23 PM, you wrote: GS The simplest way to prevent this is to wrap my stuff at about 50 GS characters also. Can I do this for a single message? Gavin, if I'm not misunderstanding you, it's the appearance of the message in your Reply text editor window that is bothering you. If that's not it, you should just ignore the rest of what I'm saying here. To straighten up the line appearance, you could (keeping your 70 or 72 line auto-wrap) click on Utilities on the Reply window toolbar. Choose Format Block. Position the cursor within the paragraph you want to fix (it only works with adjacent lines of text) and choose Align left. In other words, instead of conforming to the 50-wrap line, conform the quoted message to your line-length preference. I just learned about this a couple of days ago. Before that, I had been laboriously moving text which had come in from friends using Outlook Express, just in order not to send back such a long, ugly page. What you see in the Reply window, as you no doubt know, is what should arrive on the other end of cyberspace. :) People were complaining about the Format Block choice--they wanted to format the entire message with one click--but I am grateful for even this much, after having sat on Delete and Backspace and Enter for two months. Which was both time-consuming and annoying. A little over two months is the time I have had The Bat! and have been subscribed to this list. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I wish to unsubscribe
Hi Databug, on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:06:11 +GMT (02.01.03, 19:06 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : D I've been trying to unsub from this list for days now. Perhaps a few days aren't enough, especially during holiday season. If you`re in a hurry: ,- [ from the FAQ ] | If you are still having problems with adjusting your subscription, | please send a message to the moderation team where your change may | be done manually. `- (where the address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - just in case Marck hasn't done it already. :-) -- Cheers Peter When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in seven years. Mark Twain Winamp currently playing: Oscar Peterson with Milt Jackson - Willow Weep For Me Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I wish to unsubscribe
Hi Gerard, on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:34:45 +0100GMT (02.01.03, 19:34 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : G While reading this email go to Special|mailinglist|unsubscribe I'm afraid this won't work with KMail... ;-) -- Cheers Peter Just that you're paranoid doesn't mean they are NOT after you. Winamp currently playing: Keith Jarrett - Stella By Starlight Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hello Melissa, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 1:18 PM, you wrote: snip M ... alternative to using the mouse menus... Alt+L. snip M There actually is a way to re-format multiple paragraphs at once. M Yes...you guessed it...a regex macro in a Quick Template! :-) Allie M pointed this out to me recently: snip Thank you so much, Melissa. I am going to do this now! -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Spike, That strikes me as pretty preposterous. XML files are ASCII files and it would be awfully hard for a virus to hide in one. Regards. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
Hi @all there, I installed gnuPG 1.2.1-1 and everything seems to be fine. I can send an encrypted message to myself and read(decrypt) it. But if I get a message from some linux/evolution user (same GnuPG version) The Bat! refuses to decrypt the message. The incoming message consists of 3 files: message.htm with a text like Version 1 signature.asccontaining the signature encrypted.ascwell, that's the part not working!!! I can verify the signature, but as soon as I try to decrypt the message text, I get this: - gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof - Please HELP!!! Chris Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hello Melissa, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 1:35 PM, you wrote: snip M Eek! I forgot to mention a couple of things... M I forgot to mention that after selecting the multiple paragraphs, hit M Ctrl+C to copy it to the clipboard. Then invoke the wc Quick M Template. Okay. I can do that. :) M Also...no need unwrap the regex macro pasted into my previous message. M Just copy/paste it into your QT as is. Thanks a bunch! -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I wish to unsubscribe
ON Thursday, January 2, 2003, 8:06:38 PM, you wrote: PM I'm afraid this won't work with KMail... ;-) Peter, I just assumed that he was using TB!. He could reinstall it to unsubscribe ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: Nuts...my shaft is bent Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
CiPd Hi @all there, CiPd I installed gnuPG 1.2.1-1 and everything seems to be fine. I can send CiPd an encrypted message to myself and read(decrypt) it. But if I get a CiPd message from some linux/evolution user (same GnuPG version) The Bat! CiPd refuses to decrypt the message. I use The Bat 1.62 Christmas edition and GnuPG decrypts the message if I launch it manually (commandline). CiPd The incoming message consists of 3 files: CiPd message.htm with a text like Version 1 CiPd signature.asccontaining the signature CiPd encrypted.ascwell, that's the part not working!!! CiPd I can verify the signature, but as soon as I try to decrypt the CiPd message text, I get this: - CiPd gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. CiPd gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof - CiPd Please HELP!!! CiPd Chris CiPd CiPd Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: CiPd http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Best regards, CArmeanumailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW Are you sure? I remember not that long ago being pointed to a
RW well hidden page on the ZA site which took you through a long
RW rigmarole of removing various items from the registry to
RW completely remove it. I've had a look but can't find it at the
RW moment.
It would seem from what I read that if you reboot with it disabled
so that the true vector engine isn't started then you can uninstall
it without hassle.
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Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB I did not mean to imply that it is The Bat!'s fault. PGP does
MB this, and The Bat! of course can no longer recognize it as a
MB 'cut' line.
- From some testing I did some time ago, I noted that if you sign with
the PGP or GnuPG plugins, -- is converted to - --. The altered
delimiter is therefore not recognised by TB!. However, if you sign
with PGP Tray or GPG Shell/WinPT, -- is converted to - -- . The
space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise that
delimiter, even with the added dash-space.
You can try replying to my message here without using just %quotes
in your template and my signature should be cut out.
- --
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html
iD8DBQE+FKhyV8nrYCsHF+IRAlqoAJ9kXu+eNR8GJUOdrLH8vSIsGTFOtACgpYWs
6Am42Gcix6YSK2pTR8scAYQ=
=gsb5
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: I wish to unsubscribe
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Databug [D] wrote:'
D I've been trying to unsub from this list for days now. I've been
D to the site and unsubbed every EMail address I can think of that
D i may have used to subscribe. But I'm still here. Can anyone
D help!?
Yes. I just did so manually.
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Re: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carmeanu [C] wrote:'
C The incoming message consists of 3 files:
C message.htm with a text like Version 1
C signature.asccontaining the signature
C encrypted.ascwell, that's the part not working!!!
C I can verify the signature, but as soon as I try to decrypt the
C message text, I get this:
C -
C gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
C gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
C -
It would seem that an unsupported method of encrypting the message
was used. It would seem that PGP/MIME was used and TB! doesn't
support this. I'm surprised you could verify the signature if it
arrived as an attachment.
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Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, on Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:00:44 -0500GMT (02.01.03, 22:00 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : AM - From some testing I did some time ago, I noted that if you sign with AM the PGP or GnuPG plugins, -- is converted to - --. The altered AM delimiter is therefore not recognised by TB!. However, if you sign AM with PGP Tray or GPG Shell/WinPT, -- is converted to - -- . The AM space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise that AM delimiter, even with the added dash-space. AM You can try replying to my message here without using just %quotes AM in your template and my signature should be cut out. I didn't test the effect on replying, as all my current templates contain the sig etc. cutter regex for %Quotes, but in the RTV preview pane, your signature is not recognized as such. - -- Cheers Peter He who hesitates is probably right. Winamp currently playing: Underworld - Born Slippy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt *PGP signed for better authentication* Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt iQA/AwUBPhShugM2UgbhB3TOEQJ/1gCgxsbz708Lq2x2P+GNlGbvzHdwSFQAoMw9 yhndUY2VlPkGkCV6ImZi6I7G =5aAb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, Thursday, January 2, 2003, 10:13:39 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Carmeanu [C] wrote:' C The incoming message consists of 3 files: C message.htm with a text like Version 1 C signature.asccontaining the signature C encrypted.ascwell, that's the part not working!!! C I can verify the signature, but as soon as I try to decrypt the C message text, I get this: C - C gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. C gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof C - AM It would seem that an unsupported method of encrypting the message AM was used. It would seem that PGP/MIME was used and TB! doesn't AM support this. I'm surprised you could verify the signature if it AM arrived as an attachment. Well, the signin works just fine ... just the message body itself :-( doesn't work ... I must admit I'm not very pleased about this. Is this a fault of evolution (mailer) or TB? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQE+FLIDYTfQI7+Ck0ARAjKMAKDo61SR7l+EpmoXtauEy1KoBWydqQCfS6AS +HbmvyKWBlVihhz815ibb3c= =C8+z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, AM - From some testing I did some time ago, I noted that if you sign with AM the PGP or GnuPG plugins, -- is converted to - --. The altered AM delimiter is therefore not recognised by TB!. However, if you sign AM with PGP Tray or GPG Shell/WinPT, -- is converted to - -- . The AM space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise that AM delimiter, even with the added dash-space. AM You can try replying to my message here without using just %quotes AM in your template and my signature should be cut out. It is, and so is mines but other clients which usually understand the -- as to be the cut off point don't. I am also signing my messages direct from the tray. Is there a work around? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhS1RV3LB35+TCg0EQLiEwCghYKQKUeg+T95/8H9FQrXy/4B4I0An3GS vkvjXdfzLfEAlx8DvfxchbhV =lNe9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Peter Meyns [PM] wrote:'
PM I didn't test the effect on replying, as all my current
PM templates contain the sig etc. cutter regex for %Quotes, but in
PM the RTV preview pane, your signature is not recognized as such.
I don't know about it being recognised a signature in the RTV. I do
know that TB! will cut text after - -- but not after - --.
I checked just now.
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Re: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carmeanu [C] wrote:'
C Well, the signin works just fine ... just the message body itself
C :-( doesn't work ... I must admit I'm not very pleased about
C this. Is this a fault of evolution (mailer) or TB?
I suspect that it may not be a fault of either MUA.
What's in the text body? Encrypted text?
Do you have GPG Shell installed? If so, can you decrypt the text
with it?
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Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG It is, and so is mines but other clients which usually
VBG understand the -- as to be the cut off point don't. I am
VBG also signing my messages direct from the tray. Is there a work
VBG around?
Unfortunately no. PGP in its current state needs to add the -
escape to any dash that starts a line.
The only thing to do would be to expand support for PGP by
recognising delimiters which have been altered by PGP.
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Read filters
I'm starting to use the read-filters and noticed that the ctrl-M shortcut doesn't trigger them (I have to open the msg in a new window to execute the filter). I think I'll add it to the bugtrack site, but before I'd like to know if I'm the only one seeing this. Maybe it's fixed the last builds (I'm still using 1.60c). Do you see the same? -- Ricardo M. Reyes | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Help ... I can't find my Any key! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Comments in templates?
Hi all, is there a way to add comments in message templates? I'd like to disable parts of some of my templates temporarily without having to delete them, for testing purposes. -- Cheers Peter Who the is General Failure and what's he doing on my computer? Winamp currently playing: Chi Coltrane - Go like Elijah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Allie! On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 3:00 PM, you wrote: A ... if you sign with PGP Tray or GPG Shell/WinPT, -- is converted to - -- . A The space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise A that delimiter, even with the added dash-space. A You can try replying to my message here without using just %quotes A in your template and my signature should be cut out. Thanks a bunch, Allie! So as not to have to redo the TBUDL address book template, I set up a private reply to this message. Worked perfectly. But I didn't send it. Just deleted it and came back here. (I temporarily took out the Reply default template that Marck had given me, in order to test this. Shorter code, easier to put back in. :) ) So this is the answer, if I wanted to sign a message to TBUDL or TBOT. Sender controls, and it's not dependent on the Receiver having a template MACRO. I believe it answers Victor Gonzalez's second question, also, to perfection. Please see now for me if my 'cut' line works, with only one Enter (line space) below it. I am a true doubting Thomas. :) -- Mary The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB Please see now for me if my 'cut' line works, with only one
MB Enter (line space) below it. I am a true doubting Thomas. :)
Very strangely it wasn't cut.
I can't say why either since I've checked many signatures which all
have been cut. These sigs included ones with the text just under the
delimiter as mine and that of most other members, sigs with only
one line space below the delimiter (Thomas Fernandez's sigs) and
sigs with two empty lines below the delimiter.
Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know
why it doesn't cut.
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Re[2]: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, Thursday, January 2, 2003, 5:29:15 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Mary Bull [MB] wrote:' MB Please see now for me if my 'cut' line works, with only one MB Enter (line space) below it. I am a true doubting Thomas. :) AM Very strangely it wasn't cut. AM I can't say why either since I've checked many signatures which all AM have been cut. These sigs included ones with the text just under the AM delimiter as mine and that of most other members, sigs with only AM one line space below the delimiter (Thomas Fernandez's sigs) and AM sigs with two empty lines below the delimiter. AM Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know AM why it doesn't cut. It cuts perfectly ok with the bat but I also use Mozillas news client to work with some newsgroups. As I forwarded something from TB into Mozilla, I noticed Mozilla doesn't recognize - -- as a delimiter. - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhTAj13LB35+TCg0EQLIbQCeLzyxPRd/K5nz1MwJ6BElfhM4eccAoLHE QJ+lIS/dLWPKdzEtTfJvFstY =ASlt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Allie! On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 4:29 PM, you wrote: MB Please see now for me if my 'cut' line works, with only one MB Enter (line space) below it. I am a true doubting Thomas. :) A Very strangely it wasn't cut. When he taught me to do this, back in October 2002, moderator Leif Gregory emphasized the two empty lines. This is why I have been so stubborn about it. BTW, how is Leif? Haven't seen him on TBUDL or TBOT in a long time. A I can't say why either since I've checked many signatures which all A have been cut. These sigs included ones with the text just under the A delimiter as mine and that of most other members, sigs with only A one line space below the delimiter (Thomas Fernandez's sigs) and A sigs with two empty lines below the delimiter. Are all the ones where it works PGP tray signed? I have a %NOUSEPGP in all my templates, ever since I obtained my keys. Took it out of one or two templates, temporarily, for people who wanted to sign my keys, and for awhile out of the PGP-Basics template for people who wanted to check my signature. I just wanted the encryption-decryption function for possible emergency situations. And I had had such a hard time manually erasing many long PGP sigs over the past few weeks, that I didn't want to wish a PGP signature on any of my Batty friends, even the ones who were sending the uncuttable versions to me! :) So, is it possible that this delimiter works in your fashion for PGP-tray-signed messages, but not for plain cut line and signature like mine? Given Leif's early tutorial to me, before I even knew there was such a thing as PGP? A Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know A why it doesn't cut. See if this does. -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Hallo M., On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:17:36 -0700GMT (2-1-03, 20:17 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: ME That strikes me as pretty preposterous. XML files are ASCII files and ME it would be awfully hard for a virus to hide in one. Yep, but awfully easy to read them. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Comments in templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @2-Jan-2003, 23:09 +0100 (22:09 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PM is there a way to add comments in message templates? Yes - use the %REM macro ... like this: %REM= This bit is a comment PM I'd like to disable parts of some of my templates temporarily PM without having to delete them, for testing purposes. That will do it for you then. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+FMbgOeQkq5KdzaARAvz8AKDxKY/S/DPtEI+JX8u0z+1U66QOJQCfX8BV 4bq2a2vcZL1mHJOcQGjdcBM= =xqtn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, @2-Jan-2003, 16:43 -0600 (22:43 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MB When he taught me to do this, back in October 2002, moderator MB Leif Gregory emphasized the two empty lines. He was mistaken. Or misunderstood. One of the two ;-). Here is the technical specification of a cut mark: .returndashdashspacereturn. Yes, there are two returns, but neither of them denote a blank line. No blank lines are needed at all for a cut mark to work. ... snip A Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know A why it doesn't cut. When I looked, the message in question did not have a space after the dash-dash. MB See if this does. Worked like a charm :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+FMfYOeQkq5KdzaARAi73AJ43HWozKvLhQPZS6R+j9TkPv4cTzwCg5xpR noVBYSxQpbhjyD6HMaE+p5g= =ss4+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Marck, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 5:14 PM, you wrote: MB ... back in October 2002, moderator Leif Gregory emphasized the MB two empty lines. M He was mistaken. Or misunderstood. One of the two ;-). Most likely misunderstood. :) M Here is the technical specification of a cut mark: M .returndashdashspacereturn. M Yes, there are two returns, but neither of them denote a blank line. M No blank lines are needed at all for a cut mark to work. M ... snip snip MB See if this does. M Worked like a charm :-). Okay. Try this. :) -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Mary Bull The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, January 02, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... M Here is the technical specification of a cut mark: M .returndashdashspacereturn. M Yes, there are two returns, but neither of them denote a blank line. M No blank lines are needed at all for a cut mark to work. M Worked like a charm :-). Okay. Try this. :) Seems to work just fine and dandy over here ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPhTSmSuD6BT4/R9zEQLOdwCg4RiJXOqLjTz8uRHCyf2eyQdmLToAoMAw mzv19JKhWxymtlttItgpg698 =glMM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Tom, On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 at 06:45:25[GMT +1100](which was 19:45 where I live) you wrote: Here's a link at the Outpost site that probably will assist. I also used to use ZA pro, had all sorts of weird problems, but since moving to Outpost Pro haven't looked back. Yup. that's the information I meant, thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Download Aborted - Solved!
Hello Allie, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 at 15:49:19[GMT -0500](which was 20:49 where I live) you wrote: It would seem from what I read that if you reboot with it disabled so that the true vector engine isn't started then you can uninstall it without hassle. Still lots of work needed with regedit to get the remaining spurious files off the system I think but it seems that it is the way to go as there appear to be no problems with Kerio and lots with ZA. Even though ZA have recently posted an upgrade there may well be another forthcoming so I might just wait and see. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
On Friday, January 3, 2003, 12:09:31 AM, Roelof Otten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ME That strikes me as pretty preposterous. XML files are ASCII files and ME it would be awfully hard for a virus to hide in one. Yep, but awfully easy to read them. Outlook addressbooks are *hard* to read, yet virus/trojan writers have no problem with it, never had. The format of the addressbook isn't an issue; the insecure automation protocols built into Outlook are. (All the same, as the author of PhoneDeck, I feel called on the carpet here. It's off-topic for this list, though, so I'll just say that while XML is certainly the buzzword of the day, it doesn't make things as easy as the hype would have us believe. What good would be XML-enabled PhoneDeck *and* TheBat, if PhoneDeck had a name-first tag and TheBat! had first-name? No good at all. Second, reading XML, whether through DOM or SAX, is a very complex process. PhoneDeck's addressbook format, while technically proprietary, is perfectly readable to human eye, and is very easy to parse, much easier than XML will ever be. So is CSV export. Can't say that about TheBat's addressbook, though ;) Best regards, .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) The media finally figured out that their paying customers (i.e. advertisers) don't WANT an intelligent, thoughtful audience. And they no longer have one. (Rich Tietjens) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, Thursday, January 2, 2003, 10:59:12 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Carmeanu [C] wrote:' C Well, the signin works just fine ... just the message body itself C :-( doesn't work ... I must admit I'm not very pleased about C this. Is this a fault of evolution (mailer) or TB? AM I suspect that it may not be a fault of either MUA. AM What's in the text body? Encrypted text? AM Do you have GPG Shell installed? If so, can you decrypt the text AM with it? Yes, I do have GPGshell installed and I can decrypt the message body (encrypted.asc attachment) with it. I also can decrypt it using gpg command line. TB just doesn't seem to recognize the encrypted.asc attachment as the message body. - -- Best regards, CArmeanumailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQE+FN2PYTfQI7+Ck0ARAsxfAJwOtJXpTGwRiNbs1Cq36oxIVOWw3QCg09F4 2/wdml0nmhziUv5zTQxM/Xk= =e7vF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with GnuPG 1.2.1-1 and decryption
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carmeanu [C] wrote:'
C Yes, I do have GPGshell installed and I can decrypt the message
C body (encrypted.asc attachment) with it. I also can decrypt it
C using gpg command line. TB just doesn't seem to recognize the
C encrypted.asc attachment as the message body.
Yes. AFAIK, the TB! plug-in will not decrypt encrypted text within
an attachment. It will decrypt only encrypted text that's in the
message body, i.e., text that appears within the message viewer
(without the headers display option enabled).
--
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Ticker shortcoming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I've seen some people talk about that they can't live without the ticker and I just hid it away as one of the first options I came across. Today however, I sparked with I need the ticker too so I enabled it. I tried docking it at the top and bottom of my screen but it interferes with my open windows. If I have it at the top I cant get to a full screens minimize, maximize and close buttons and if its docked at the bottom it usually interferes with my windows status bars, etc... Is that how it is supposed to work and if the answer is yes is their a registry tweak that can suppress any window from going beneath it, yet still show on my desktop? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhTe3V3LB35+TCg0EQJNXQCgrrXNRPsuO2GjIAxlJpsLi1lAeBQAn05y EcM3MCVmdIgvK26or2zxhVPG =YFth -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ticker shortcoming?
Hi All, On 2 Jan 2003 19:52:53 (my local time 16:52:53), Victor B. Gonzalez wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) If I have it at the top I cant get to a full screens minimize, maximize and close buttons and if its docked at the bottom it usually interferes with my windows status bars, etc... You can adjust the length of the ticker with mouse. Move the mouse towards the left or right edge of the ticker till the mouse turn into a double arrow, and drag the mouse to adjust the length. -- Regards, Anthony Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ticker shortcoming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Anthony, If I have it at the top I cant get to a full screens minimize, maximize and close buttons and if its docked at the bottom it usually interferes with my windows status bars, etc... AXC You can adjust the length of the ticker with mouse. Move the mouse AXC towards the left or right edge of the ticker till the mouse turn into AXC a double arrow, and drag the mouse to adjust the length. Thanks, I didn't know that :) I am really after docking it without interference, is it possible? Thanks Anthony because if the answer is no I guess I am left with no option but to resize it :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhTh913LB35+TCg0EQLCGQCg9g2hQvoC7Utq2sQm9iQWN1eVi44AoKfU yytP5cYOZ4cbYDpnziHsiXjX =dSzV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XML Address Book Format
Well, suppose I have two XML files, one using name-first and the other using first-name. An XSL script can convert between them. Or I can convert the data manually using any text editor. Fifteen years from now, when the original programs are long dead, I will still have my address data in a format I can read and use. More to the point, I should slap the developers for not coordinating on a standard. That is what committees like W3C are for. The vcard XML format sounds like a winner to me. We have email standards, and all email clients support them: POP, SMTP, etc. Why not some W3C-approved XML address format? XML is more than a buzzword, it's an important new standard. The reading of XML files via SAX or DOM is facilitated by open-source parsers and is not complex at all. XML is a machine-ready format. I can't see how proprietary formats are any less work. Mark (All the same, as the author of PhoneDeck, I feel called on the carpet here. It's off-topic for this list, though, so I'll just say that while XML is certainly the buzzword of the day, it doesn't make things as easy as the hype would have us believe. What good would be XML-enabled PhoneDeck *and* TheBat, if PhoneDeck had a name-first tag and TheBat! had first-name? No good at all. Second, reading XML, whether through DOM or SAX, is a very complex process. PhoneDeck's addressbook format, while technically proprietary, is perfectly readable to human eye, and is very easy to parse, much easier than XML will ever be. So is CSV export. Can't say that about TheBat's addressbook, though ;) Best regards, .marek jedlinski Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ticker shortcoming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Victor, @2-Jan-2003, 19:52 -0500 (00:52 UK time) Victor B. Gonzalez said: I tried docking it at the top and bottom of my screen but it interferes with my open windows. I don't dock the ticker at all. I leave it unzoomed, shortened to the smallest possible size and then dragged off beyond the left edge of the screen about 3cm above the Start button with about 1cm of the thing left showing. Why? 1) I have turned off old flappy. I got tired of unread Spam in my Anti-Spam account triggering the wings and I let the minimal ticker serve as my You have mail notification. 2) I have access to one of the real gems of the TB system - the Browse Ticker Messages virtual folder. There, in a simple and easy folder, are all of my unread messages. If I want to zoom in to see the rest of a thread, double click a message in the folder message list to open the message in the specific folder context. A quick Esc will take me back out and I resume browsing the new mail I have enabled the Folder column so I can see where the message resides to start wide. I also colour code important unread messages so they stand out in the list. 3) Using System wide hotkeys in conjunction with PowerPro and Stroke-it, a couple of mouse gestures opens the ticker mail, jumps me to the first message and opens all threads. Boy, do I make this baby work for me or what? ;-) The biggest downside about the virtual ticker folder is that it is created in the moment of opening and is a snapshot of the ticker content at that moment. New messages that come in after it was opened will appear on the ticker but not in the virtual folder. Still, if more come in, I can just close the view and a fresh view is just a couple of mouse gestures away g. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+FOVwOeQkq5KdzaARAuo5AJ9ioqE/ggLj8jwcRpUhANjvqksTygCeImsA zRUvH8YFpfKYcfhdf8mRoFI= =X+Ly -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ticker shortcoming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, I tried docking it at the top and bottom of my screen but it interferes with my open windows. MDP I don't dock the ticker at all. I leave it unzoomed, shortened to MDP the smallest possible size and then dragged off beyond the left edge MDP of the screen about 3cm above the Start button with about 1cm of the MDP thing left showing. MDP Why? MDP 1) I have turned off old flappy. I got tired of unread Spam in my MDPAnti-Spam account triggering the wings and I let the minimal MDPticker serve as my You have mail notification. This is what made me turn on the ticker. It wasn't spam exactly but I get lower than normal priority mail and I thought I would like to keep an eye on it... 1 new shortcoming, there isn't a way to handle mail through the ticker but to have to go through the client. Maybe not a shortcoming but a definite feature request along with window docking side by side. MDP 2) I have access to one of the real gems of the TB system - the MDPBrowse Ticker Messages virtual folder. I didn't know about this virtual folder but looked it up in the bat... It is a pretty cool feature with a time saving benefit attached... Thanks :) MDP 3) Using System wide hotkeys in conjunction with PowerPro and MDPStroke-it I've used power pro, never tried stroke it but am curious as to what exactly is system wide hotkeys? I ask because all keyboard shortcuts I make in my system are only active if applied to a shortcut on either my desktop or start menu. Thanks for your answer Marck, I am still on the tutorial you suggested I look over and that macro tool is just really cool. Thanks for all the input :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhTqc13LB35+TCg0EQKojgCgwlmzVWbkQaipfuUKz0/k+87PSkUAniWF jgtx1dA1EEhInnTeLfD2nwFz =EaqF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Allie, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:29:15 -0500 GMT (03/01/03, 05:29 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know why it doesn't cut. Mary's sig delimiter arrived here without the space after the dashes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mental backup in progress - Do Not Disturb! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ticker shortcoming?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Victor, @2-Jan-2003, 20:42 -0500 (01:42 UK time) Victor B. Gonzalez said: MDP 3) Using System wide hotkeys in conjunction with PowerPro MDP andStroke-it I've used power pro, never tried stroke it but am curious as to what exactly is system wide hotkeys? These are part of TB and in Options | Define system hot keys. I think I need say no more ;-). As for Strokeit, see http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/ - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+FPSYOeQkq5KdzaARAjpRAKC4orG0hYpN6c9fi2Tnufc6z0HOngCeNciV EWtmIN5ZzqOuQJDpu1GzdnY= =/YCo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Allie, On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:00:44 -0500 GMT (03/01/03, 04:00 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: - From some testing I did some time ago, I noted that if you sign with the PGP or GnuPG plugins, -- is converted to - --. The altered delimiter is therefore not recognised by TB!. However, if you sign with PGP Tray or GPG Shell/WinPT, -- is converted to - -- . I would think that this is a problem with the plug-in. It should convert the sig delimiter to - -- , as the tray version does. The space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise that delimiter, even with the added dash-space. But then, if TB's plug-in does not preserve the last space, TB's reply function should recognise excaped delimiter as created by its twin on the sender's machine. ;-) How do other programs handle - -- and - --? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ticker shortcoming?
Hello Marck, I've used power pro, never tried stroke it but am curious as to what exactly is system wide hotkeys? MDP These are part of TB and in Options | Define system hot keys. I MDP think I need say no more ;-). As for Strokeit, see MDP http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/ Damn, goes to show how you use something everyday and everyday you learn something new about it... It was right under my nose and I ain't see it... :) Thanks for today I learn about the mail ticker folder and system wide hotkeys... haha... I love you guys :) -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, The space after the double dash is preserved and TB! will recognise that delimiter, even with the added dash-space. TF But then, if TB's plug-in does not preserve the last space, TB's reply TF function should recognise excaped delimiter as created by its twin on TF the sender's machine. ;-) TF How do other programs handle - -- and - --? That is my point exactly... Most mail programs recognize -- as the cut off point but when you throw in - -- Mozilla at least just doesn't understand :( It's ok, I use the bat! - - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhT3yV3LB35+TCg0EQLJ7ACgv0O2xZiSe5ACqncqEKqdhsBdPEwAnihJ P28WymLBMz9O1LGRFAafVOnK =akax -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
On Friday, January 3, 2003, 5:52:20 AM, Mary wrote: Hello Roelof, and Gavin, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 12:23 PM, you wrote: GS The simplest way to prevent this is to wrap my stuff at about 50 GS characters also. Can I do this for a single message? Gavin, if I'm not misunderstanding you, it's the appearance of the message in your Reply text editor window that is bothering you. If that's not it, you should just ignore the rest of what I'm saying here. Thanks a lot, Mary. I've been happily using ALT-L to format my own blocks (even quoted replies). It just never occurred to me that it might work for a doubly-quoted block. Excellent software indeed. Regards, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Chagning word-wrap margin for a single message?
Hello Gavin, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 9:09 PM, you wrote: snip G Thanks a lot, Mary. ... My pleasure. But you already knew more than I did. I just learned about Alt L today. :) G ... Excellent software indeed. Yes, excellent. Did you see Melissa Reese's post to me in this thread, regarding a regular expression making it possible to format the entire message in one click? (She had that from moderator Allie Martin.) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote:'
A Your delimiter also has the space after the dashes. I don't know
A why it doesn't cut.
MDP When I looked, the message in question did not have a space
MDP after the dash-dash.
I used the mouse to swipe select her delimiter and saw a space. You
don't see one. Hmmm.
I decided to switch viewers. With the fixed width viewer, I don't
see the space. With the rich text viewer, it seems like a space is
there when you swipe select the delimiter with the mouse. This is
what confused me.
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Re: 2 Questions: Thread Views PGP messing with -- signature
Hello Jonathan, On Thursday, January 02, 2003, 6:00 PM, you wrote: snip Okay. Try this. :) J Seems to work just fine and dandy over here ;) Did for me too, when I set up a test Reply window for myself just now. I stand properly instructed now. :) My apologies and thanks to all those friends on this list with whom I have been so stubbornly arguing. :) Thanks for your patience, Jonathan. -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Mary Bull The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
