So long.
Hi List. In my experience, this list has been by far, the most professional, most enjoyable, most helpful, and most informative mailing list I've been a subscriber to. Thanks for easing the pain. Unfortunately, even you all can't make up for current events. So, I installed Thunderbird, and ran filters (filters!) on my IMAP inbox without trouble. I was giddy. From my current perspective, it is a pleasingly boring program. And to quote Glen Frey, I'm already gone. Thanks again, you all are a great group. Good luck, and so long! -- Chris using Thunderbird 0.7a Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
folder to hold 100 most recent messages?
Hi List, Is there a way to have a folder hold the 100 most recent list messages, and move the older messages to another folder? The reason is that I use IMAP, and I would like to have an IMAP folder to provide access to the most recent posts so I can view them from anywhere, but I don't want the folder to grow too big, since my IMAP space is limited. Therefor, I'd like to move older messages (100 messages old, or one week old, for example) to a local folder as needed. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hi List, I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders is about 3000. Here is some info from the plugin: Spam frequency dictionary: ° C:\...\spamdict.bye ° Size: 1656 letters. ° Capacity: 78445 words. Non-spam frequency dictionary: ° C:\...\nspamdict.bye ° Size: 559 letters. ° Capacity: 29118 words. Current active base: ° Active current base contains 16901 words. ° Status: OK Last day statistic General numbers ° Spam traffic (bytes): 0 ° Spam letters: 0 ° NON-spam traffic (bytes): 106070 ° NON-spam letters: 4 ° Total traffic (bytes): 106070 ° Total letters: 4 Bayesit has yet to find a junk message on its own. The 'general numbers' are obviously wrong...Is that the problem? Do the dictionary sizes look right? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: messages marked as junk to separate folder
Hi Stuart, already marked as read. Junk mail that is sent to the folder by baysit can be left as unread, so you only have to quickly check your unread junk mail to check if baysit has mis-classified Great idea. Thanks. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
messages marked as junk to separate folder
Hi List, I am training bayesit, and I would like to be able to send messages that are manually marked as junk to some folder of my choosing, while messages that are automatically marked as junk are sent to a different folder. One of these folders could be the default Junk mail folder. The reason for this is that until I'm comfortable with Bayesit's performance, I would like to be able to quickly check messages that were marked by the plugin, and not have to wade through all of the messages I marked myself (I won't know the difference anyway). Also, I can then keep the plugin's target folder empty, and use the message count as a quick way of knowing if I need to check. Maybe some other way (eg. colors) of distinguishing between the two types of junk would be better? It would seem that if I could do more than one action with a 'shortcut key', this would be trivial, but I can't see how to do this. Thanks. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Managing IMAP messages
Hi List, I recall this topic being discussed. However, I did a folder maintenance maneuver recently that seems to have corrupted my TBUDL folder. Many messages are no longer viewable, so I can't read the thread. So, I'd like to 'reset' the delete tag on all of the messages in my inbox. I haven't purged anything in a long time, so I'm sure that the messages are still there. Has this ability been implemented? It's no problem to use the web interface on my mail server, but why bother if TB! can do it. Also, what files are delete-able, with respect to TB!'s message base structure? I was training Bayesit and it said it found some messages that were bad, and suggested that I delete one of TB!'s files, but I don't remember which one. Thanks alot. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Mail Not Loading.
Hi 9Val, Which synchronization method do you use? Are those messages huge? What says connection centre about your IMAP session? With earlier versions (including 2.12 and previous), I could reliably cause this problem by activating a filter, either manually or on new-mail arrival. The most recent beta does not cause it, although automatic filtering does not occur consistently. I reported it here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003103 -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Playing with BayesIT macros
Hi Michael, My cutline is exactly like they want it. I see a dash space dash dash it should be dash dash space :) Oh wait, here's one coming now: -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Playing with BayesIT macros
Hi Mary, This changes the configuration as it's sent to: dash space dash dash. Therefore, everything below it is quoted upon Reply, when Macros for quoting are in a person's template. That answered my next question, which was why the dash space dash dash delimiter works. Thanks! -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative display of recipient in to header (was: Re: Macro Help needed - addressing recipient according to gender set in AB)
Hi Roelof, Just insert the macro as it is here, with all spaces and on as many lines as this example. It should work though I didn't test it. I'm having a bit of trouble with the macro you offered. I get this exactly in the To: field: _ _:__ And curiously, the Address book Handle, which I use in the greeting, becomes an underscore as well: Hi __, Here is the template in its entirety: %ACCOUNT=ASU%- %If:$%ABToEmail$=$$:$$:$%- %To=%- %To='%- %If:_%ABToPrefix___:_%ABToPrefix _:__%- %If:_%ABToFirstName%ABToFirstName _:__%- %If:_%ABToMiddleName___:_%ABToMiddleName _:__%- %If:_%ABToLastName___:_%ABToLastName_:__%- %If:_%ABToSuffix___:_ %ABToSuffix_:__%- %ABToEmail'$%- Hi %ABToHandle=%ToFName, %Cursor -- %FromFName %FromLName, Ph.D. %ORGANISATION mailto:%FromAddr -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Macro Help needed - addressing recipient according to gender set in AB
Hi Roelof, The values for Gender are: 0=unknown 1=Male 2=Female This reminded me of something I have noticed but never addressed. I have the names in my address book displayed with last name first, so I can easily sort them. But if I start a new message to someone, TB uses this format (the Display Name I assume) in the To: field. How can I set up my template so that a normally formed name is displayed? I would also like the To: field to include the name prefix and suffix, if present. Is this possible? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2 TB! entries in Add/Remove programs list
Hi List, I was in the process of uninstalling a program, and I noticed that there are 2 entries in my installed programs list for The Bat!. The first uses the TB icon, and the second uses a normal-looking windows folder icon. They are both listed as having the same size. The entry with the TB icon has a single button, saying change/remove, and the second entry has two buttons, one (enabled) saying change the other (disabled) saying remove. I cautiously clicked the change button, and I got a setup wizard offering to modify, repair or remove TB from my system. I cancelled. Why two entries? I remember installing a beta a while back, that used the msi installation program, perhaps this is the culprit? If I uninstall one or the other, I reckon (backups aside) I'm done for? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ctrl+click mess up! Help please
Hi Darrin, DR None of my other emails show up. DR Could someone send me the instructions how to do so? I figured it out myself. The wonderful ESC key. That was a close one. Unless the person whose email address you had clicked on sent you the answer, you would never have been able to read it! Just kidding. :) -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ThreadMark as read
Hi List, I can select Thread mark as read from the context menu, but the corresponding key assignment shown (Shift+Ctrl+M) doesn't do it. I don't know if earlier versions worked, as I have just discovered this feature. What am I doing wrong? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Inbox STUCK!!!
Hi ken, kg I tried to clean up some IMAP folders: moved kg Boy, was that a mistake. I've been there... kg My main IMAP account (THIS IS MY BUSINESS kg E-MAIL) is now somehow stuck - I am NOT kg receiving messages and the message count will kg not budge from 39 in the Total column. This has happened to me several times. Its an interesting bug, because the unread total remains up to date, but it refuses to retrieve those messages. It knows they are there... kg My Inbox shows 1 in the Unread column - kg and that message does not show up. I cannot kg get to it through The Bat. My unread total kept climbing, and I had to use webmail to read them. Finally, I created a new account, and deleted the old. This was the only way I could get back up and running. I don't even think about filtering incoming mail, because doing so causes this problem for sure. It got to the point where I was creating a new account about once a day. Ridiculous. kg Does anyone have any ideas? This is crazy. I kg have purposely tried not to tax TB with kg anything fancy RE: IMAP (no filtering, etc.) The latest beta seems to be (only just a bit) more stable. Although, I stopped using filters about the same time I installed that, so maybe not. I don't know. They have GOT to get IMAP going soon. I sure wish there were more people complaining about it. I can only conclude either 1) not many on this list use IMAP, and therefor aren't clamoring for improvements, or 2) others haven't experienced these problems to the same extent. I would love to know which... Anyway, good luck. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Inbox STUCK!!!
Hi Peter, PO Quite some users are / have been 'complaining' PO about IMAP items. As you'r a beta user, I PO guess you'r aware of this. Yes, but how can anyone actually use it without such basic functionality as filtering? I spend all day manually dragging TBUDL messages to my TBUDL folder. PO FWIW, some IMAP items related to V2.12b6 which PO was made public some hours ago: Thanks. Hopeful about the new beta, I added a TBUDL filter, left your message in my inbox, and tried manual filtering. Same problem. Remove duplicates still doesn't work either (as always, duplicate messages are created in the inbox of the messages that were to be filtered). I have yet to know if the message base has gone wrong, as is usual. big, frustrated exhale. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP Inbox STUCK!!!
Hi List, I have yet to know if the message base has gone wrong, as is usual. . Confirmed. The previous message I sent could not be moved to the sent mail folder, because of some kind of corruption to the message base. New mail was no longer retrieved, although the unread mail number in the folder view remained accurate. No message bodies were viewable. However, as usual, creating a new account fixed the problem, indicating that the corruption was local (thankfully). -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Checking IMAP Accounts
Hi List, My IMAP folders are not acting up nearly as much these days, but I'm still having some trouble. One account has stopped retrieving new messages, although the correct number shows up in the folder view (under the unread heading, it right now shows 28*). I have been playing with settings, so I have no idea what may be wrong. I can always create a new account (that has worked in the past), but I would like to figure out why its not working. As I troubleshoot, it has become clear that I lack some basic knowledge about what TB! is doing. What, exactly, is synchronization? My guess would be that, as an example, if changes are made to a folder (not by my copy of TB!), including the arrival of new incoming mail, those changes would not show up on my copy of TB! unless I synchronize. If I set it to synchronize, the new is not retrieved. In account settings, I can set TB! to 'check mail' periodically under the options tab, but the new mail is not retrieved when manipulating this setting either. And in the IMAP fine-tune tab, I can set it to 'when online, refresh folders' periodically as well. Still nothing. Then if I right-click a folder in the folder view, I can set various 'synchronization' settings. Is it that the 'refresh folders' setting indicates the frequency of synchronization? While no permutation of these settings seems to retrieve my new mail, I am not so much looking for suggestions on how to resolve the problem (creating a new account will work), as detailed information on what the various settings are intended for. Thanks. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Checking IMAP Accounts
Hi List, My IMAP folders are not acting up nearly as much these days, but I'm still having some trouble. One account has stopped retrieving new messages, although the correct number shows up in the folder view (under the unread heading, it right now shows 28*). I have been playing with settings, so I have no idea what may be wrong. I can always create a new account (that has worked in the past), but I would like to figure out why its not working. As I troubleshoot, it has become clear that I lack some basic knowledge about what TB! is doing. What, exactly, is synchronization? My guess would be that, as an example, if changes are made to a folder (not by my copy of TB!), including the arrival of new incoming mail, those changes would not show up on my copy of TB! unless I synchronize. If I set it to synchronize, the new is not retrieved. In account settings, I can set TB! to 'check mail' periodically under the options tab, but the new mail is not retrieved when manipulating this setting either. And in the IMAP fine-tune tab, I can set it to 'when online, refresh folders' periodically as well. Still nothing. Then if I right-click a folder in the folder view, I can set various 'synchronization' settings. Is it that the 'refresh folders' setting indicates the frequency of synchronization? While no permutation of these settings seems to retrieve my new mail, I am not so much looking for suggestions on how to resolve the problem (creating a new account will work), as detailed information on what the various settings are intended for. Thanks. -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v2.11, IMAP auto-filtering
Hi List, At the request of the list moderators (because of x-header conflicts with this list's software), I had to change the email address I used for the list, my only alternative being to one that only supported IMAP. This was quite a pain, because TB! did not auto-filter incoming IMAP mail. I had particular trouble manually filtering, which would cause duplicate messages to be created that would not allow themselves to be deleted, and severe message base corruptions (and lost email) that were not fixable (at least not by me). So, I was relegated to manually dragging new TBUL messages to my TBUL folder for many weeks. This has been aweful. Needless to say, I have eagerly awaited v2.11. I upgraded immediately. I am disappointed. My filters still don't work. Nothing seems to happen automatically. At least manual filtering does not cause the message base corruption problems I experienced with earlier versions. Instead, nothing happens (other than that the log is updated). Here is an exerpt from the log, incurred by manual filtering: 6/2/2004, 09:40:25: FILTER - Message from Mary Bull, subject Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004, size 3,609 bytes filtered (processed by TBUL), URL: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...But the message is NOT moved to the destination folder. It simply stays where it is, and is not marked as read. My filter settings are as follows: Source folder: Inbox Move message to folder: \\\TBUL Filter string: Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: Kludges Presence: Yes Rule is: Active Actions: Mark the message as read Options: Regular expressions ...What am I doing wrong? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Open original mail
Hi Robin, RA CTRL+Backspace works in both directions for me RA - it takes me from the reply to the original, RA and from the original to the reply. I'm not RA sure what it does to a message that is both a RA reply and the original for a subsequent reply! TB! 2.10.03 When I hit ctrl-backspace on the original, it works. But when I try on the reply, a messagebox appears, stating Reply was not found in most appropriate folders. Would you like to search through whole message base? If I click no, another messagebox says Reply not found. If I click yes, it finds the original. Is that how it works for you? I am pretty sure that, for a message with both an original and a reply, it will show the reply. -- Christopher Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View follow up?
Hi List, I seem to remember once finding a useful thing: View follow up (my nomenclature). So, if I had a message displayed, I selected view follow up and it would show the email I had sent in reply to that one. I can no longer find this feature. Did I dream it? -- Christopher Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Delay
Hi List, Sometimes when I click on a message, it takes several seconds for the body to be displayed. I assume this is due to latency with connecting to the IMAP server. My question is, doesn't TB! have a local copy? Why the delay? -- Chris Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Re-installing... need Serial Number?
Gabriel Is there any possibility to get my serial number again? GM How can I ask for a new serial number? GM Actually, I need to establish contact with GM Ritlabs in order to receive the serial number GM for my new re-installation... This got me thinking...I would like to have my serial number backed up, and can't find my registration email. Is there a way to get the number (and the checksum too, I guess?) from a registered version of the program? I clicked 'enter registration code...' from the help menu, but it doesn't pre-populate the boxes. I looked in the registry, and there is an item called SoftwareRegistrationId2 whose value looks like it could be my registration code. Yes? -- Christopher Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete a message on the server
Hi List, Is there a convenient and quick way to delete a message on the server without using the dispatcher (or emptying the trash)? Seems like that would make a good 'Specials' menu item. -- Christopher Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Hi Steve, Sunday, April 4, 2004, 7:59:22 AM, you wrote: ST I'm having some trouble with IMAP filtering. When I try to ST re-filter the InBox, it creates ghost messages that I cannot delete. ST The only way I can get rid of them is to delete the account and ST re-add. ST What am I doing wrong? I am having the same problem. The filtered messages are not moved (as I directed), and dupes are created. I suspect that this is a shortcoming of TB!, in its dealings with IMAP folders. Someone else surely knows better and/or more than me. It seems like IMAP needs a bit more work to be truly useable. Folder behavior is a bit funny, and sometimes the folder list says I have a new message, but it doesn't show up in the message list (webmail shows the new message). I am sure the developers are focussing on improving IMAP? -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Filtering
Hi Allie, Monday, April 5, 2004, 10:15:25 AM, you wrote: AM I still use IMAP because it's really neat to use at home. ~snip~ AM The flexibility is addictive and I'm willing to use ThunderBird AM at work to be able to work with IMAP and TB! at home. This is the reason I am hoping that the developers are working on it. IMAP is great, and pop3 just doesn't do it. IMAP seems to be the future, and a solid implementation would be time well invested by them. -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hi List, Anyone know why each post I make to the list incurrs this reply (and a corresponding delay in posting): Your mail to 'TBUDL' with the subject Re[2]: IMAP Filtering Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/confirm/tbudl/78e985ab842caab85f879c76eb0c07533726fc9a The link takes me to a page where I can choose to either delete the post, or continue waiting. No additional information is given regarding the alleged offense. For reference, here are the headers, in their entirety, from the email in question: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:36:16 -0700 From: Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Code-Breaker Software X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: IMAP Filtering In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hi Marck, MDP Please use a different server or disable the scanners! I was meaning MDP to write to you - you may just get a warning - I actually have to MDP approve your posts manually each time :-(. What does that mean? I don't understand. First, whats wrong with the scanners? Why are they causing a problem? How could information that was intended to curb abuse be suspicious? Second, what does the ominously-hyphenated 'you may just get a warning' mean? [In my best Bungholio voice] Are you threatening me? The only information I got from your email is that you have to approve my posts manually, which I knew already. Here is what I do know. I am using my mail server on its default settings, I have never touched it, never tweaked anything. I have never spammed anyone in my life, I have never mis-used a system. I might venture to say that if my posts are raising flags, perhaps the system could un-clench its butt-cheecks a bit? -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Replying with nicknames
Hi List, I have grown tired of constantly changing Hi William to Hi Bill when I reply to an email. How can I get TB! to do this: 1) When I hit reply, check if the person I'm replying to is in my address book. 2) If so, use the nickname from the address book in the email's greeting. 3) If the person is not in the address book or no nickname is specified, use the first name from the email I am replying to. Thanks! -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Received headers
Hi Batters, Does anyone know of a service or product that can decipher the originating received from header of an email? This would include determining the actual originating ip, and as a bonus, a way to look up the corresponding domain name. Although anti-spam applications would be the main use for such a feature, I am interested in using this type of technology for other purposes; for example, as a way to authenticate payment receipt emails from paypal. -- Christopher Brown Running The Bat! 2.01 with BayesIt! 0.4gm Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with Bayesit filter - connecting to ISP
Hi cs4l, Saturday, November 22, 2003, 3:54:43 AM, you wrote: c My filter does not do anything. I installed it yesterday, marked c over 500 messages as Junk to enrich the database, and received 25 c new spam messages since. Perhaps it has something to do with the random characters and/or words that spammers have been adding. It mungs up the stats of Baysian filters, as intended. On the bugtracker forum, I have requested the ability to filter only selected text in an email, in an attempt to skirt this problem. It seems to me that this would help when paragraphs of randomly selected real words, as well as nonsense words are added, because they can be omitted from filtering. In addition, when faux html tags are inserted to split up high-target words (eg, pen/fort knoxis ; another spammer trick), the email can be viewed as html, and the text easily selected that way for filtering. Any other/better suggestions? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
last read message
Hi Batters, I have several email accounts. Sometimes, when I click on the inbox of an account, TB! will select an email that is way down the list, several months old, and definitely not the email I was last looking at. In this case, I have to scroll to the top of the list of emails to read any new mail. Other times, when I click on the inbox, a new, (previously) unread message is selected and displayed automatically. This can be confusing, and I sometimes search for the unread mail before I realize that it is no longer unread. Is there a setting to control this behavior? I assume it is account specific because of its variability on my system. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: glyphs.bmp
Hi Thomas, TF Steve Mary King wrote: Does anybody where there's a map to the functions of the icons in glyphs.bmp? TF It's a straight-forward bmp file, no functions included. I think he means a description of what each icon is used for. Most are straightforward just by looking at them, but some are not. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Junk plug-in
Hi Gunivortus, It seems MANY batters *are* successfully using Bayesit as a plug-in. I (and at least 1 other batter) have seen our bats not starting until we either reinstall TB *or* del/rename the c:\Bayesit directory. (Fully re4peatable procedure.) GG I had some problems too in the beginning, one of them was the c:\Bayesit GG directory. After I used c:\Program Files\Bayesit it ran. But don't ask GG me why! :-) The newest version of Bayesit! (v0.4em) has fixed the problem of TB! not starting. It is available for download here: http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04em.zip -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Resend with Edit
Hi Batters, Is there a way to resend an email that has already been sent (shift-f6), with the ability to edit it first? -- Best regards, Christopher Brown Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard macro for junk mail
Hi Batters, I would like to set a key sequence (alt-j preferable) that does 3 things: 1 marks the selected messages as junk (available in the specials pulldown) 2 marks the selected messages as read 3 moves those messages to the junk folder I have the Bayesit plugin installed, and when messages are not recognized as junk, I must do these to tasks. The junk mail folder created by the plugin (or by TB! to deal with the output of the plugin, maybe) would be the target. How do I accomplish this? Thanks. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Alexander, I use The Bat! since May '99 and for four years we got MAJOR enhancements for free. If some other company has produced the Bat, the very same program with the same feature set would be in version 4 or 5 and not 2.00.6. Believe me 1.60 was a major upgrade to 1.50 which was a major upgrade to 1.40 and so forth. A If that is so then what, in the name of everything that doesn't suck, A would've been the problem to say registered before 1.50 release = high A update fee while registered before 1.60 release = moderate upgrade fee A and registered after 1.60 release = lower upgrade fee? The rationale here I think is that it is a smaller jump from 1.6 to 2.0, and therefor you shouldn't pay as much? But this thinking is the reason that Microsoft NEVER releases any updates, short of bug fixes. Anything new is squirreled away for a couple of years, until a new version comes out. The point is that what you suggest would encourage that. Why bother releasing new features as minor updates if you people are going to then complain that 2.0 is not much different than 1.6? You are just going to shoot yourself in the pocketbook. Better to keep 1.0 out forever, release bug fixes as .01 and .02 revisions, and keep all the new features for 2.0. Then you can charge everyone 75% of the full price for the upgrade...insert MS business plan here. I believe it is Microsoft's way of doing business that sucks. Ritlabs, while not exactly scoring a 10, is doing what they can to make some money, which is difficult. I do agree that the 2-month cutoff is a bad idea. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Menu navigator? [OT]
Hi Paco, PC From: Paco Capocasa Your name is more fun to say than any I've seen in a while. Thanks! -- Best regards, Boring ol' Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Spam C/R Blocker question
Hi Batters, I just got an email from Matador, a spam blocker, with a challenge question in response to an email I sent someone. My question is, how do these companies handle it if both parties use this type of service? What if I have a similar but different service, and his challenge email gets sent to him as a challenge? Infinite challenges? Holy bandwidth Bat! users. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! v2 Upg Price of $17.50 until October 31, then what?
Hi Jamie, A And what a lot of people are overseeing is that the v2 license is not one A person but one computer. So, if you're using TB on your laptop and your A home computer, you need another full license AFAIK. JD I don't know about this, although it seems to be standard practice for JD most software companies Before I registered for the first time, I emailed RitLabs, asking if it was ok to put one license on my laptop and desktop (My question was about the synchronize feature, which led to 'do I need 2 licenses to use it'). They assured me it was within the licensing agreement to do so. I would tend to agree with the following statement: Give these guys a break. I would have gladly paid $17.50 for a maintenance contract on v1, but I didn't need to - the upgrades were free! Writing and selling software myself, I can Sympatize. Documentation, for example, unbelievably time consuming to keep updated. I say, give'em the benefit of the doubt, they aren't out to bite our hands, they just haven't documented their intentions very well. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: System tray icon
Hi Günter, GM Is there a new setting somewhere in V2 which I need to adjust GM to get back that useful indicator of unread mail? General Options, checkbox: Icon animation when unread messages are detected -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre grabs full screen
Hi John, JP In V 2.0, my Connection Centre grabs full screen. My 2.0 CC works as before, a normal window. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Amnesty ...there is none!
Hi Julien, dh I have not found posted the Amnesty policy for newly registered 1.x dh uses to obtain a new key for Ver. 2.x JR I'm on a similar (though different) case than you, and wrote to the JR info address, but received no answer until now. What address did you JR use exactly ? How long did it take to receive your answer ? I have gone down this road, with success. I called cifnet, and they suggested I use: http://www.cifnet.com/contact.html I received a 2.0 reg key about 2 minutes later, although I had send an email to ritlabs (perhaps info@) the night before, so I cannot verify that the form was the solution. At any rate, they seem amenable to the free upgrade. I was told to include my v1.x order number when requesting the free upgrade. Now, if I could only get a spam plugin working... -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB!2 Spam plugins
Hi Blasters (Bat list users), May I be so bold as to suggest a discussion on spam plugins? There has been much traffic on the subject, and I have been following it, but there hasn't been much good, decipherable info. Some download links have not worked, other have, but link to progs that haven't worked, or seem to be in pre-alpha stages of development at best. The following questions are what I'm particularly interested in, and I'll bet many others would find the answers to be quite helpful too. Are there any free Bayesian plugs that work? Links? Those of us who are using a spam plugin, which are you using? How does it compare to others? free/how much? Links? Should I expect to have to pay for a decent spam Plugin? Personally, I would prefer something that simply sorted incoming mail to different folders (e.g., inbox vs. spam folders), as opposed to blockers that don't download mail at all. Until a certain level of trust develops between me and my plug, I'd like the chance to look over it's shoulder. Perhaps a vote on the best plugin? Best free/best overall? -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Spam [SOT]
Hi All, -Only slightly off topic- T solution. My client chose not to do business with them. My client was T adamant about the way business should be conducted and in his mind, it T didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just told me I wasn't T important. I have just had a similar experience with Ritlabs/cifnet. I originally registered TB! on Aug 27, and was interested to find out if I would receive a free upgrade to 2.0. I emailed ritlabs, only to have my email returned, stating that SpamCop has determined that my mail server is a known originator of spam. Same with an email to cifnet. This was extrememly frustrating, because I had no recourse. I simply couldn't contact either company by email. I, of course, have never spammed anyone in my life, but I am on a shared web host, and apparently one of their clients was the culprit. My host took quick steps for me, but this did little to change the fact that I couldn't send email to ritlabs. Someone from spamcop replied to my whining, stating that there wasn't anything that could be done. Sounds like a great service. They are happy to block my email, but 'there's nothing that can be done' to unblock it. Fortunately for me, cifnet is in Chicago, where I am. So a local call did the trick. But the point stands. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Restoring my folders
Hi Blasters (Bat list users), I have a backup that I want to restore. When I do, will TB! overwrite my current directories, or add to them? Will newer emails not present in the backup be lost? -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam plugin download location ?
Hi Prezes, Thanks for the link. Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 8:54:34 AM, you wrote: P Here is TBP Antispam plugin BayesIt 0.4c P http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04c.zip (112kb) OK, I've searched to no avail. I have sorted my spam, and run the learning engine. And I have added the baes.tbp plugin to TB!. What now? Do I use the Sorting Office/Filters to pass incoming mail through the plugin somehow? How does the plugin know where to put spam? When I get a piece of spam in my inbox, how do I tell the plugin to 'learn' from this mail? (Assuming I get it working at some point) if I find a piece of real mail in a spam folder, how do I reprimand it? -Chris Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message listview view exclusion
Hi Batters, I just discovered a neat feature. Alt-click in the list view, and only the messages matching whatever field you clicked on (date, from, subject) will be displayed. My question is, how do I 'unexclude' the view? How do I get all messages to show up again? Thanks. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Amnesty
Hi danger, dh I have not found posted the Amnesty policy for newly registered 1.x dh uses to obtain a new key for Ver. 2.x I am also interested in this. I registered on 27 August. I sent an email to ritlabs last night, and am awaiting a response. I'm sure they have many emails to go through this week with the new version coming out. As someone had mentioned a few days ago, I had over 20 days left on the eval period, and I now hope that registering early was not a mistake. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: It appears I have screwed myself by registering v 1.62rearly
Hello Craig, My story: I sent an email to Ritlabs last night about a free upgrade, pointing out that I registered on 27 Aug. This afternoon, I called cifnet, and they told me to fill out a form on their website explaining my situation. 2 minutes after I submitted the form, my 2.0 registration key arrived at my inbox. Not sure which action of mine prompted the key, but it's done. -- Happily upgraded, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Killing The Bat! without damaging it
Hello Michael, MT Am I alone in thinking that the origional message below the sig MT delimiter just looks horrible, and impossible to read? Let alone the MT problems in replying to a message laid out like that. Here you go. :) Seriously, I laid out the template that way because I hadn't realized that TB! prints everything below the delimiter in a light color that is harder to read. I use it for when I want to include the person's text for reference, or as a courtesy (so they don't have to go digging for what they said), but don't feel that her text is necessary to get my point. This way, it is out of the way, she doesn't have to scroll down passed what she wrote to find my reply (annoying if her text is extended), and my sig is not simply tacked onto the end (i.e., all of the new info is at the top, and the older info is at the bottom for reference). As I said, I didn't realize that it was displayed in a lighter, less legible text. Re: the abort button, it works perfectly for me every time, even when the network connection has been lost. TB!1.62r -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Killing The Bat! without damaging it
Hello Antje, OptionsPreferencesDisplay Connection Center. Then, Abort task. Best regards, Christopher Brown -- Sunday, August 31, 2003, 11:01:16 AM, you wrote: AL Hi, AL Craig Westerman wrote: When I try to shut down The Bat! so I can reboot to fix connection problem, it won't let me as The Bat! is busy with fetching mail, but it can't fetch mail as connection is lost. When I tell it to shut down when operation is done, it never gets done, so it never shuts down. AL I'm not sure whether this is correct... afaik you should only have to AL wait until TB recognizes there is no connection and aborts the AL fetching process by itself. I have made these experiences myself, AL however, in my case it never occurred that the process ran AL endlessly. It might take a while, though... AL Antje AL Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Viewing mime attachments
Hi List, I did a cursory search of the archives, and the answer to my question doesn't seem promising. Is there a way to automatically view mime attachments? I'm really frustrated with clicking. Although, the way TB! handles the list's digest is nice, bringing up a new message window. TB! 1.62r Also, what will happen if I click Install The Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler? Specifically, what I would like to do is have an application be notified by TB! when a particular type of email arrives. Can it do that? I know about the Run external program option in the action tab of the filters section, which will do the job just fine. But what can the MAPI handler do? There doesn't seem to be a help section on this topic. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
