Re: Editing Received Messages
Hence the approach I suggest in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is also what Marten refers to in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...whoops - just for the record it was Robin as well as Roelof who helped with my version of the filter - I forgot that - sorry Robin... -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Dear Dwight, -- Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 03:47:47: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves I agree to this. In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Eddie, On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:50:23 +0100 GMT (22/01/2007, 19:50 +0700 GMT), Eddie Castelli wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. EC Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? EC THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on EC it. It would be faster to just alter the subject line, which is what I would often like to do. Enquiry as a subject just doesn't say anything in my business environment. -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Streichhoelzer muessen gut versteckt werden, damit sie keine kleinen Kinder bekommen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Dwight! On Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:47 PM, you wrote: Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. this, and being able to edit text have been longstanding requests of some, which have been opposed, and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves. Put that way I think is sounds crazy and if you have missed the discussions you probably think I am exaggerating. It is, however, so. It is thought to be immoral to want to make changes, add notes, or condense a message in your database. We should be ashamed for wanting to do it. You are absolutely right about the judgmental tone of the comments in regard to this feature modification request, whenever it is being discussed. It is of a piece with the status of the sacred Outbox. Current position of developers and their supporters: 1) The Outbox settings must over-ride Address Book settings, when a message is re-opened from the Outbox. BTW, please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6182 2) The Draft folder must exist only as a function of the Outbox. 3) There must not be a separate draft folder. 4) Account headers must over-ride manual re-typing of the From field text. 5) If you reply to a message from one Account, but wish to show the address/domain of another account, The Bat! will change the From setting back when you click Send. 6) Only work-around is to copy the message to a folder in the Account that you want to show in the From field and then invoke your editor window for the reply. 7) As noted in this thread, you cannot, inside The Bat!, edit the subject field, or the time-stamp, either, of a received message for purposes of filing a message, in order to make its subject line describe the body contents more accurately. It's my view that The Bat! should allow the user to edit or modify anything he/she wishes or needs to modify. And that these manual modifications should over-ride all template and automatic TB! settings. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Monday, January 22, 2007, 6:50:23 AM, Eddie Castelli wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Thomas! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:43 AM, you wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. EC Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? EC THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on EC it. It would be faster to just alter the subject line, which is what I would often like to do. Enquiry as a subject just doesn't say anything in my business environment. Thomas, I agree with and fully support all your comments in this post. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Dwight! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 9:18 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! Amen! Me too! And I also want to be able to decide how I will keep my Outbox! Without having to resort to all these cumbersome Work-Arounds. :( -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. An email is only able to be regarded as a legal document to the same level as a paper letter or any other document. I can alter a letter, I can alter a document, I can alter an email. Since there is often a copy of the email at both ends - any alteration by me of my copy can be held against the copy at the other end and any falsification argued over just as it would for a paper letter or whatever. Therefore, I would suggest, the ability to alter email headers for practical local reasons is fine. Any email held up in a court of law can be scrutinised and compared just as any other document would. In any case, email can be hacked and cracked about without the use of TB! if one is determined to falsify something. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Thomas! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:43 AM, you wrote: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves EC I agree to this. Well, I don't. EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. True, but it is not resolved. EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time EC where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal EC document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a EC document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and EC re-importing. Emails are alterable, we just heard (again) about how to do that. It's a legal document only if it is PGP-signed (or equivalent), or if the email on the sender's and the recipeint's computer are the same. Why is it OK to export/alter/import the message, but not to do it within TB? Doesn't make sense to me. I've been editing my subject lines for sotrage purposes for ages - using a filter that Roelof helped me put together. What's the problem? I hit ALT -E a text editor pops up - change the header, save and it appears back in a folder from which I move it for filing. Admitedly it would be better if it could judst be edited in place and saved back whence it came...but... this is THe Bat! and useful additions don't seem to carry any weight in the development process. But that's an old gripe of mine. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.95.6 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hi Mary, Monday, January 22, 2007, 3:38:01 PM, you wrote: Hello Dwight! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 9:18 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. it is a WORKAROUND. and a not very satisfactory one at that. I guess I am going to hell or to prison, but I want to be able to decide how I will keep my inbox! Amen! Me too! And me. I'd ditch TB! in a minute if I had something with the same filter and search capacity and the ability to edit received emails easily. And I also want to be able to decide how I will keep my Outbox! Without having to resort to all these cumbersome Work-Arounds. :( Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.95.6 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hi Eddie, Monday, January 22, 2007, 12:50:23 PM, you wrote: Dear Dwight, -- Montag, 22. Januar 2007, 03:47:47: [...] and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves I agree to this. In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. In a time where Governments are thinking of considering eMail as a legal document it it more than being a 'bad person' altering such a document (also when there is a possibility through exporting and re-importing. But it can be altered, anyone who wants to alter it can. Bad guys will, good guys have to struggle, what's the sense in that? And email won't be considered a legal document unless it's signed, encrypted, or something that insures it can't be altered easily. So that's no excuse. Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. So if I want to do a fast search of subject lines anything in memo will show up? No, it won't. Memo is not a substitute. And I collect recipes and archive them in TB!, and often want to delete from a post. Or add notes without having to read them by extra mouse clicks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.95.6 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Doug! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 11:10 AM, you wrote: Michael, why are you not using the 'Memo' function (Shift+Crl+I)? THat is much faster, uncomplicated and you can make searches on it. So if I want to do a fast search of subject lines anything in memo will show up? No, it won't. Memo is not a substitute. ... Exactly. A fast search of subject lines--one of TB!'s most useable features. But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Monday, January 22, 2007, Mary Bull wrote: But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. -- Urban I believe you should live each day as if it is your last, which is why I don't have any clean laundry because, come on, who wants to wash clothes on the last day of thier life Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Urban! On Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:00 PM, you wrote: But only helpful if there are meaningful subject lines, using words relevant to the body text's content. Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. Yes, Urban, that's another nice work-around. But, in general, as I wrote earlier in this thread, I believe that The Bat! should support a manual over-ride of all templates and all TB! automatic settings. I am enjoying this thread. But my own main complaint is not about the Inbox, but about the Outbox. The Outbox also over-rides the user's wishes. Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6182 It is a Bat Wishes entry that asks for the Outbox to be configured to respect Address Book header settings, when a message is re-opened in the Outbox Draft section, for further editing. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
U So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. But that would alter the correct sender ID and time stamp. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A liberal is a person whose interests aren't at stake at the moment. - Willis Player Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 at 19:12:07 -0500, Rich wrote: U So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. But that would alter the correct sender ID and time stamp. Hence the approach I suggest in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is also what Marten refers to in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. TF True, but [un]resolved. UNRESOLVABLE. This topic is similar in tone to a religious war for some reason! Those who insist that the integrity of an email should be unassailable seem wholly unable to compromise. Nobody else cares, and those who want to be able to do this feel vilified! EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. I'd ask why but we're getting too OT (the topic was: How do I...?) I'll simply say that I think email SHOULD be fully alterable if you want to for any reason whatsoever. It is after all YOUR email in YOUR database. I often fix emails that I've received to ensure better data in my message database. Mostly it is a subject line edit, sometimes it is to correct the message contents. For example, I'll correct an email when someone might send me their contact info but omit or typo something. I also edit EVERY message from PayPal to remove the footer and to clean up the message so that it prints one order to (only) one page. Lastly, since to me it is preferable to keep the time stamp and sender's email address intact, emailing messages back to myself is not an option. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. - Jerome K. Jerome Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:00:53 PM, Urban wrote: Memo is no substitute. So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. work arounds are no substitute -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editing Received Messages
Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. For example, I sometimes get email messages from people without subject lines or with meaningless subject lines. I'd like to file the message with a subject line that makes sense to me, so I'd like to add a subject line (if their's was blank) or change the one they used with one of my own. At other times I'd like to add my own comments to the body of the message for my own purposes--without replying to the person. I can't figure out if one can do this in TheBat!. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Michael, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:33:29 PM, you wrote: MSG Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. MSG For example, I sometimes get email messages from people without MSG subject lines or with meaningless subject lines. I'd like to file MSG the message with a subject line that makes sense to me, so I'd MSG like to add a subject line (if their's was blank) or change the MSG one they used with one of my own. MSG At other times I'd like to add my own comments to the body of MSG the message for my own purposes--without replying to the person. MSG I can't figure out if one can do this in TheBat!. You could Redirect the message to yourself and edit it before sending. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Michael S. Greenbaum @ 2007-1-21 7:33:29 PM Editing Received Messages mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. (sic) * Move the message to the outbox. * Edit it. * Save it as a draft. * Move the message from the outbox back to where it came from. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Childproof pgpilg9n3B7cy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Hello Chris, On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:49:53 -0600 GMT (22/01/2007, 08:49 +0700 GMT), Chris W. wrote: Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. (sic) CW * Move the message to the outbox. CW * Edit it. CW * Save it as a draft. CW * Move the message from the outbox back to where it came from. The datestamp in the message will have changed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Unter dem Einfluss von Alkohol griff eine naechtliche Polizeistreife einen Pkw-Fahrer aus Minden. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
Thomas Fernandez @ 2007-1-21 8:03:06 PM Editing Received Messages mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. (sic) * Move the message to the outbox. * Edit it. * Save it as a draft. * Move the message from the outbox back to where it came from. The datestamp in the message will have changed. Yes, it will change. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. When in doubt, use brute force. -Ken Thompson pgpp7Y5rZv6XX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 at 18:33:29 -0700, Michael wrote: Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. For example, I sometimes get email messages from people without subject lines or with meaningless subject lines. I'd like to file the message with a subject line that makes sense to me, so I'd like to add a subject line (if their's was blank) or change the one they used with one of my own. At other times I'd like to add my own comments to the body of the message for my own purposes--without replying to the person. I can't figure out if one can do this in TheBat!. Chris and Stuart have suggested a couple of simple options, however these will change the date and time of the message. The best option (IMHO) is to export the message as a Unix mailbox file and then edit it in a text editor and re-import the mailbox file. This can be automated with the use of a filter to export the email and then pass control to a batch file that calls your favourite editor and does the re-importing. Go to the Macro and Solutions library at http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php and look for Mssg header editor. -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing Received Messages
On Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:33:29 PM, Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: Is there a way to edit a message one has received--not for reply but for filing. this, and being able to edit text have been longstanding requests of some, which have been opposed, and not adopted because users who wish to do this are regarded as bad people who need to be protected from themselves. Put that way I think is sounds crazy and if you have missed the discussions you probably think I am exaggerating. It is, however, so. It is thought to be immoral to want to make changes, add notes, or condense a message in your database. We should be ashamed for wanting to do it. I am using IMAP now, and this wouldn't be an option even if it was available, so I have given up asking, but good luck. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with Bat! Voyager 3.95.06 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing received messages
Melissa, Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 8:02:00 PM, you wrote: MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MR Hash: RIPEMD160 MR On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 6:26:09 AM PST, Nick Dutton wrote: Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the messages for clarity etc. MR What I then do is this: MR 1) I place a ! at the beginning of each memo, then... Melissa, nice bit of lateral thinking! Many thanks. -- Nick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Nick, MR What I then do is this: MR 1) I place a ! at the beginning of each memo, then... Melissa, nice bit of lateral thinking! Yes, it certainly is. Thanks Melissa :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editing received messages
Hello, Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the messages for clarity etc. Regards, -- Nick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing received messages
Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:26:09 [GMT +] (9:26 AM EST here) Nick Dutton wrote: Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the messages for clarity etc. Redirect the message to yourself. Edit the message. Do not send the message. Save the message in your Outbox. Move the message from your Outbox to your storage folder. 1. Highlight the message in the TheBat! message window. 2. Choose Message - Re-direct. 3. Put your email address on the To: line. 4. Edit the message. 5. Close AND Save the message. 6. Delete the original unedited message. 7. Move the redirected, edited message from your Outbox to the folder you want it stored in. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Nick, On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:26:09 + your time, you said: ND Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB ND folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the ND messages for clarity etc. On the Message menu, |Save As| to a folder. Open saved email in a text editor, make changes, save. The import back into TB! (Tools/Import Messages/From .MSG/.EML Files. You'll have to be careful here as after you've imported the edited message you will have two emails, the original and the one you edited. The differences between the original and the edited email will be the time stamp and the alterations you made. Best in that case to scrap the original unedited version after successfully editing the email. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2063. Myra Qed I Owl Ussr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPeTdHMtub/5cfolmEQIECACfUrLuN7z4bg5vaQQcTOC7KN+8E4gAoMOu /iTbO6Upk2WVu8UYO3FXiXKY =bCKa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 6:26:09 AM PST, Nick Dutton wrote: Is there any way that I can edit a received message? I use many of my TB folders for reference and would like to be able to modify some of the messages for clarity etc. Another possibility, without having to modify the actual message, is to attach a memo to it. You can do this by hitting Shift-Ctrl-i, and a little memo box will pop up for you to enter your notes about that particular message. What I then do is this: 1) I place a ! at the beginning of each memo, then... 2) In View/Message List Column, I add the memo column, and give it a column width of 7 (just enough to show the !), and place it just after the subject line column. This way, When I'm looking at the message index, I can see which message has a memo attached, and if I want to see the memo, I just hit Shift-Ctrl-i. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE95SSVjVbXUvsE8ukRA+nUAJ4j4jb3mjUgGMzjelA0TmlHHgHeMACgqj4y F7xf6OMaFT8WSMHQ6mXUG48= =GtI9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)
Sorry for replying this late, i still have 400 messages to sift through... On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:41:04 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA www.gmx.net [...] JA - It seems to reject all mail from Hotmail.com addresses. I'm not JA completely sure about this point, but maybe someone else could JA share their experiences? Could this be because of my use of JA forwarding addresses? It's a default option that any mail from a hotmail sender, but not coming from a hotmail server, is blocked (spam protection). If you forward other accounts to GMX, you will get hit by this, but you can disable it somewhere in the configuration pages... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)
Hi there!
how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat.
I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address.
JA You can
JA find the message in the archives at:
JA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15604.html
JA It is extremely well written. [Angel: Thanks for the great list!]
Thanks... :)
I WILL add that while no POP3 email program such as TheBat!, Eudora et
al. can download Hotmail emails in and of themselves, it CAN be done using
a 3rd party program called Web2Pop. Outlook Express *can* access Hotmail, but
it does it in a manner different than TB! using Web2Pop, which allows TB!
to access Hotmail as if it were a non-webbased email account.
Web2Pop can be found at: http://www.jmasoftware.com . It is shareware,
but having used it for months and registering it, I can honestly vouch
for it...and with as many email accounts as I have, business related
and otherwise, it sure saves me time and effort. We have it set up to work
with TB! and M$ Outlook (*not* "Outlook Express") and it works fine.
If anyone needs help setting up Web2Pop, they can drop me
an email.. I would be glad to assist. :)
You did mention "Softhome"'s forwarding: my better-half uses his
Softhome account as the recipient of approx. 5 forwarded email accounts
(I use it strictly as POP3) and thus far has had no problem with it.
They are delivered almost instantly...Softhome has been one of THE most
reliable and efficient of all Free POP3 Email services we have bumped
into over the years. :) I may add that their SMTP works wonders as
well. Meaning, we can use their SMTP server from TB! no matter what
ISP we are connected to. This helps a LOT, as anyone who's changed
ISPs and has numerous accounts in their Email client can tell you that
changing the SMTP settings can be a pain-in-the-rear. So Softhome's
services, overall, is an A+++ in my own opinion. :)
I apologize for the lateness of this replyhope this helps :D
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Re: Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)
Hi Januk, On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 17:41:04 -0800, you wrote the following about "Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)" Januk [...] consider changing e-mail accounts to a service Januk that does offer free POP3 access. Januk I am evaluating 3 such services at the moment. Here Januk are some of the things I've found. [...] Yahoo! email is free, consistent, easy to use, has pop3 access. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Editing received messages)
On Friday, November 17, 2000, 3:42:30 PM, Marck wrote: If anyone want's to continue discussing this topic then do so either in private or on TBOT. Tempers are fraying and I don't want to see anyone saying anything they may regret :-). So - t'is a DEAD HORSE, my friends. This is what happens when one can only write mail once per day. :( Well, I'll see you in TBOT. Except those I'm sure to be TBOT subscribers, I'll send a copy of my reply to your email address, too. Sorry if you get duplicates. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
At 03:47 17/11/2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I would also like to see what Doug says about this. He has been awfully quiet - but, then, I don't know his time zone or work schedule. GMT. I know Doug from another mailing list and he's not the sort of person to join a list merely to promote a competing product. My impression was that he really would like to use The Bat! were it not for a feature that his current mailer handles in a more straightforward way. Some might consider it a minor feature (or even an unwanted feature) but everyone's requirements vary. Mike -- Mike Zanker | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northampton | United Kingdom| PGP Public Key available -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17-11-2000 at 16:10:55GMT -0800 (which was 0:10 where I live) Januk Aggarwal wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Hello Manfred, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 at 00:01:29 GMT + (which was 4:01 PM where I live) witnesses say Manfred Ell typed: BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received (business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora where I come from and I miss it here too. Have you tried TB's Memo feature? View - Memo Auto-View. Be sure to back up your index files regularly if you do this though... Hello Januk, Well, I have not and I should have. The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. Thanks for pointing this out. Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote the following: ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the message listing, right? - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Solution: A more subtle problem. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhUWE/AXeSHuB5k3EQLB2gCaA+SigyWzjYUD5rH10t0tqgpVqMcAoK2B WKIgRaxsyxZTU2vG6lz8jnLq =ZXjT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17-11-2000 at 06:27:15GMT -0500 (which was 11:27 where I live) A. Curtis Martin wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote the following: ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the message listing, right? Hello A. Curtis, I now, yes, but with all those columns and a laptop display of 800x600.. You understand... Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When I saw Manfred's message about "Editing received messages ", I just had to make these comments: You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the message listing, right? ME I now, yes, but with all those columns and a laptop display of 800x600.. ME You understand... Perfectly. :=) I work with a 1600x1200 resolution and still complain. - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhVOqvAXeSHuB5k3EQLzBgCffLhdAU2dDmcYdF9V6Y1j843kn68An2FI 00Ygszm67ogzA2ZCvd7n+nQp =y66A -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
Hello! ACM Perfectly. :=) I work with a 1600x1200 resolution and still complain. Poser! ;-] beste Gruesse, (best regards) Thomas D. Frueh -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello A! On Friday, November 17, 2000 at 1:43:23 AM you wrote: MY I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted MY and untrustworthy. I would like to request that this never be done to MY TB. I tend to agree here. Since somebody used the word "democracy" just for the value of my voice (isn't it good that I am not from Florida :-) ), I totally agree: If you want to change an incoming mail *change it completely*. All else should be considered fraud - or e-mail will never be accepted as a means of serious communication! - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.47 Halloween Edition Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Nur der Schwache wappnet sich mit Härte. Wahre Stärke kann sich Toleranz, Verständnis und Güte leisten. (Tilly Boesche-Zacharowski) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA+AwUBOhVb6PTo1oA8g8dLEQJPbgCYwjw4WTcxVCGcfVXDFdNsmZZDmwCeOE1o HqzC4fXU+etKo5wThsI9tNI= =0vJt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17-11-2000 at 09:45:15GMT -0800 (which was 17:45 where I live) Ming-Li wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Hi, all, I'm replying to Marck's message for it contains the bulk of things I want to address. Yet I did read through the whole thread and I'll cut-n-paste relevant parts into this reply. Original authors of those parts would be noted, of course. [cut] Hello Ming-Li, I must say, you've put it all pretty well in a nutshell. I agree 100% with everything you have said. Let's keep our eyes on the competition folks! There is something to learn (aka implement). Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 November, 2000, 1:09 PM, I saw Ming-Li's comments made on Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:45:15 -0800, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: OK, Ming; I'll take your 'preambulatory' cue, :=), and start by saying that I was thinking of declaring this thread a dead horse, but the maturity of the discourse has been so good that I've not only changed my mind, but have also decided to respond to some of what you wrote. ML I believe you're going a little too far here by accusing Doug coming ML on board solely (or mostly) on the purpose of promoting a competing ML product. I didn't feel that way, and I still don't after reading it ML a couple more times. Thomas said: This is why he added his disclaimer statement at the end which I thought would have diffused the situation. :=) ML Risking over-generalization, I feel you've been a little testy ML recently whenever someone mentions a competing product, especially ML when he/she posts with that product, and asks about features TB ML lacks. H. This is perhaps unreasonable. The last incident of a similar reprimand was when when someone asked if TB! supported a particular feature. Someone else, posting with another client, and who in the past stated his preference for this other client, not only misinformed the user that TB! did not support said feature, but went on to encourage the enquiring user where he could get his preferred client. Marck stepped in and I agreed on that account. The incident before that involved both Marck and myself *supporting* a particular posters comments in favour of an alternative client after he was admonished for doing so by another member.:=) So, yes, I find your assessment to be an over-generalization. :=) ML Some of you suggest while it can be done, it should be discouraged. ML E.g., Allie said: ACM There are two ways of modifying received messages using TB! as ACM it is. They're a tad more tedious than what Becky and Calypso ACM provide, but this should be the case since making it easy for ACM the passing user encourages the practice rather than discourage ACM it. My attitude towards it is the same as with HTML mail. Did you read what I recently wrote about HTML mail? The short of it is that I feel it definitely has its place but it shouldn't be encouraged as the thing to do with impunity or willy-nilly. ML Again, I don't agree. Just as physical mail we receive (or books we ML own, etc.), what we like to do with the copies we own is totally our ML business. If your argument holds, moreover, then why don't we take ML away the trash can in TB? :) Or why should we allow people to change ML the "Save" template, That's for my own purposes and the message cannot be sent out, even accidentally. ML or delete attachments, Expecting ones attachment to be saved elsewhere and/or deleted is an accepted norm. ML or delete the html part? the same goes for HTML versions. :=) It's a matter of degree. The fact that an inch is acceptable doesn't mean the whole 9 yards is fine. ML Or why do we allow forwarding messages in text (rather than MIME ML attached)? When I see forwarded messages as text, my hackles raise in that I know it could be altered. To me, it's all a matter of degree. ML There're as many legitimate reasons to modify a received message as ML to delete it. Deleting a message cannot be compared. :=) ML If needed, one can save a copy of the original. What's wrong with ML that? The official list archives of TBUDL and TBBETA cross out ML senders' email addresses, for good reasons. Why can't the users do ML similar things, to mail in his/her own mailboxes? To me, it's all a matter of degree. This alteration is made known as well. [..] ML That proves you're still a great moderator, Marck, and I tip my hat ML to you. :) :=) Ditto. - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Don't steal. The government hates competition. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhV6L/AXeSHuB5k3EQKIhQCg2txcWuCfXMjolpLw7UG/2miGO8MAoJP+ lTheUBo0Hg9sR+7W5qTc/602 =z4sD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 November, 2000, 1:36 PM, I saw Manfred's comments made on Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:15:07 +, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: [...] ME Let's keep our eyes on the competition folks! There is something to learn ME (aka implement). ... or learn not to implement. :=) I find it a bit concerning that you feel the need to say that. :=) Whatever would make you feel that we aren't doing that? friendly nudge - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "It is not only fine feathers that make fine birds. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhV7GvAXeSHuB5k3EQLDQgCgn7dZ2Quls4yiFrm376CtN3q4EjEAniI7 WiGUvOzplN4/mvc2kYglR0gp =Na3b -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Manfred, On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 18:15:07 +, you wrote the following about "Editing received messages" Manfred [...] I must say, you've put it all pretty well in Manfred a nutshell. I agree 100% with everything you have Manfred said. [...] nutshell? I'd say soccer ball but it was all interesting. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhV7V5ccVS5MnN+dEQJyiQCgp/sgyz3cNYyzHvWuIwsCbYFbOPEAoIzL FpfGOmWc9lR+Prl3w0S5jb45 =8D3R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16/11/00 at 19:22 Mike Yetto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, at 23:27:15 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP BTW: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically MDP "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am MDP probably in the minority in holding that position :-). I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted and untrustworthy. I would like to request that this never be done to TB. Why shouldn't users have the choice? Eg. I get a long post full of recipes. I only want to keep a few of them. What is wrong with deleting the rest? Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17/11/00 at 02:27 Karin Spaink wrote: Doug, if the only thing that you want to get rid of is the html, there often is an easier solution within TB: When you open a html-message, you'll often (not always) see small tabs at the end of the message. Click on the first tab and you'll get the cleared body with an attachment on the left side of the body itself, in the shape of a netscape / explorer icon. You can right-click the icon and delete it. Voil: the message is permently cleared of html. Thanks. That was really a side-issue, although important. Glad to hear it's simple. My main desire has to do with editing. Now to find the message where I'm accused of ridiculing what was certainly meant to be a helpful post, and try to figure out what I said that was so misinterpreted. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16/11/00 at 22:19 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, On 16 November 2000 at 21:14:20 + (which was 21:14 where I live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points: DW Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit DW the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon to save DW it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't plain DW text). DW That's a lot easier! Now, if I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask if I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot. Thank you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does not. It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll have convinced the users here that it is a better world. (TB can remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be peeled off by deleting it). Ok, finally found the post I was looking for. You've taken my comments entirely the wrong way. I joined this list to ask my question, not to promote Calypso, Becky, or Agent, all of which I have used in the past for email, none of which I have found completely satisfactory. I have frequently looked at The Bat and wished that it had this feature. I said thanks, I meant thanks. I then tried to explain why the solution offered wasn't satisfcatory to me. There are good reasons that an email client doesn't allow you to change incoming mails easily. For instance, it is this kind of trivialisation that cheapens email as a legitimate record of a communication. I know now that any forwarded message from a Calypso user is as unrepresentative as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads up :-). I doubt that any email message can be counted on as a legitimate record of a communication in this way. I seriously don't see this as an argument. Sorry if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes against the list policy here. Certainly seems aggressive and insulting, yes. No veiled attempts on my part to do anything at all, what you see is what you get. :-) If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any offence caused. Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. However, given your strong position on this and guessing that you might have influence on its development, The Bat might never have this feature that I think is essential for my needs. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
A . Curtis Martin wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 12:27:15 h about "Editing received messages": Hello A, ACM On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote ACM the following: ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. ACM You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the ACM message listing, right? To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this? TIA -- Kari Jakobi MUA: The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A on AMD K6-2 450MHz w/ 128MB SDRAM To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16/11/00 at 23:27 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: [SNIP] I was mildly concerned that Doug posted his original enquiry using Calypso. Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received by promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you concerned that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature is lacking? 1. I've only replied to one response, because until tonight I haven't read any of the others. 2. I posted using Calypso because that is my emailer. I am very interested in The Bat. I probably would buy it, almost certainly would buy it, if it had the features I want. What am I supposed to do, buy it before I can ask about it? 3. I am NOT trying to promote Calypso, in fact I'm trying to get a feature in The Bat so that I can change to it! Doug's only response was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request. I wasn't harsh about the feature. Haven't read that post yet, and can't understand why you think I was ridiculing it. The ONLY reason I posted was to find out if it was likely to have this feature and to encourage its inclusion. I would never join a list like this to promote a rival product. [SNIP] Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kari, On Friday, November 17, 2000 @ 20:11:06 +0100, you wrote the following about "Editing received messages" Kari A . Curtis Martin wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 12:27:15 h Kari about "Editing received messages": Kari Hello A, ACM On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:54 +, Manfred Ell thoughtfully wrote ACM the following: ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. ACM You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the ACM message listing, right? Kari To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little Kari Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this? Right click on the icon bar just above your msg list, in the available list select "memo" move it over to the selected lista column will be created that contains the memo. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhWJoZccVS5MnN+dEQK4ZACgrFpYpLqb477krlBRlHV5dOL0yFAAoPmK klHX6vQLyNg/aa3mUv5JGWf9 =U26C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:10 +, Doug Weller thoughtfully wrote the following: [...] DW Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am DW genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. However, given DW your strong position on this and guessing that you might have DW influence on its development, The Bat might never have this feature DW that I think is essential for my needs. We, the moderators, are users of TB! like yourself. We are neither Ritlabs employees, part of their technical team, nor part of their development team. We have no more influence over what is implemented from what is not than the rest of the members of this list. If this were not the case I'd be a very happy camper since I'd have all the features that I desired. :=) - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhWJD/AXeSHuB5k3EQL4MQCgrvl8xWmMw08J7kG6HRXkEwesADgAn0Vu ua5ObTDjpUaaOKB9VgRvt1TZ =hkXX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Jan Rifkinson wrote on Freitag, 17. November 2000 20:40:08 h about "Editing received messages": Hello Jan, Kari To be honest, no, I don't know. I just managed to open that little Kari Memo Box, but a single column would be much better. How do I do this? JR Right click on the icon bar just above your msg list, JR in the available list select "memo" move it over to JR the selected lista column will be created that JR contains the memo. Ahh, at last... again one of those if-i-just-had-looked-it-over-thoroughly-i-would-have-found-it-myself cases. Thank you very much. So many times seen it, but never realized it... -- Kari Jakobi MUA: The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A on AMD K6-2 450MHz w/ 128MB SDRAM To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On November 17, 2000, at 11:40:08 AM, Jan Rifkinson Wrote: ME The only problem I see here is for a memo to get automatically displayed if ME there is a memo for a message and to hide itself if there isn't. ACM You know that there is a column provided for displaying memos using the ACM message listing, right? I have never been able to get a memo automatically displayed. I have the memo column set properly to show that there *is* a memo... the first 3 characters show, but I always find it extremely difficult to get the memo to open up. I have View/Memo Auto-view checked, but the memo still will not open up. I have to uncheck and then re-check the feature to bring up the memo. There *must* be an easier way. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 6 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
Friday, November 17, 2000, 12:45:15 PM, Ming-Li wrote: ML On Thursday, November 16, 2000, 2:19:16 PM, Marck wrote: There are good reasons that an email client doesn't allow you to change incoming mails easily. For instance, it is this kind of trivialisation that cheapens email as a legitimate record of a communication. I know now that any forwarded message from a Calypso user is as unrepresentative as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads up :-). ML Several of you have expressed the same thought. I don't agree. I DO agree - it should be perfectly clear when a message has been edited, regardless of what the reason for the editing was. ML If I forward a message to you and claim it to be exactly the same as ML the original, you'll just have to take my word for it, regardless ML whether I send it from TB or any other emailer. If you trust me, you ML trust me; if you don't, you don't. Changes to the content of email ML can be done, no matter what programs one uses. Sure, it's always possible to change the content of e-mail. It's also possible to falsify all sorts of info in the headers. That doesn't necessarily make it a GOOD thing to do, however. But if someone has forwarded/redirected something to me, I KNOW that it could possibly have been edited, regardless of what the sender may say/imply. ML What if I receive a message full of jokes and I only want to keep ML one of them? What if I want to change the subject and put the ML original subject in the memo? (I don't have 1600*1200, Allie, :) and ML can't afford to show memo in the message list pane.) What if I want ML to break a thread that doesn't belong together (despite moderators' ML repeated warning, it still happens a lot, doesn't it)? Here's another option: redirect the message to yourself. This lets you edit the original message /or subject, keeps the original sender reply-to intact, and keeps the Message-ID intact. No, sorry, it SHOULD keep the original Message-ID intact (necessary for newsgroup-moderation, for one thing, which is why I know that Eudora also has a broken "redirect"/"bounce" but Forte Agent's works properly), however The Bat! apparently does not keep it intact as I just tested it out and it changed the Message-ID :( . However, because redirecting adds the X-Sender header, it is clear that it the message has passed through someone else's hands and may have been edited. I don't have "Use local delivery" set up on my system, but I would guess that probably using that would let you "send" the message without it actually having to go out to the net and come back again?? And you could set up a filter on incoming mail (using the X-Sender and your e-mail address in the kludges) to automatically redirect the message to your "archiving" folder and mark it as read if you so desired. I don't know, however, what this would do to the X-References header, bearing in mind that The Bat! does not correctly preserve the Message-ID, however it SHOULD keep the X-References header intact so that if you thread by references, it would not break the thread (though editing the subject would obviously break the thread if you thread by Subject). -- Best regards, Dianamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Editing received messages
There are legitimate uses for this ability that have nothing to do with editing any individual's messages. To wit: I subscribe to several newsletters. Of the many items of information in any given newsletter, only one or two may be relevant to my business or of interest to me. Why should I not be able efficiently and simply to delete the irrlevancies and save what is significant? And without having to go through the workaround of dragging the newsletter to the Outbox, opening it, editing it, etc? This would be a useful feature for me, and, no doubt, others who are delighted to have and be using TB as their mail client. Be well, Jerry Mundis -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17/11/00 at 15:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are legitimate uses for this ability that have nothing to do with editing any individual's messages. To wit: I subscribe to several newsletters. Of the many items of information in any given newsletter, only one or two may be relevant to my business or of interest to me. Why should I not be able efficiently and simply to delete the irrlevancies and save what is significant? And without having to go through the workaround of dragging the newsletter to the Outbox, opening it, editing it, etc? This would be a useful feature for me, and, no doubt, others who are delighted to have and be using TB as their mail client. This sort of thing is exactly why I want the ability to edit. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, On 17 November 2000 at 19:09:10 + (which was 19:09 where I live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points: Sorry if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes against the list policy here. DW Certainly seems aggressive and insulting, yes. No veiled attempts DW on my part to do anything at all, what you see is what you get. DW :-) Understood and accepted. I was careful *not* to be insulting (note "seem" and "veiled") and, as I said at the time (and this was sincere): If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any offence caused. Please understand that it is a known standard practice for competitors to join mailing lists and start a fight just for the "flying fur" of it. As moderator it is my job to be vigilant and nip any such attack "in the bud". Again, I apologize for tarring you with this particular brush. I don't mean or wish to scare /you/ off. DW Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am DW genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. I do. In which case, back to the issue... did you understand that you *can* do what you are looking for in TB by dragging a message to the OutBox and editing it there before returning it to the folder where you want to keep it? While it may not be as simple as the Calypso method, you may find that the way TB does the stuff it's *really* strong on may give you good reason to give it a try. DW However, given your strong position on this It's not that strong - just a leaning really. DW and guessing that you might have influence on its development, None at all :-). As Curtis has already explained, I am just a humble user who drew the short straw (okay, volunteered to draw the short straw g) and ended up running this list for my sins. Okay, RIT labs talk to me about some issues on occasion but I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say that I have any influence over them. DW The Bat might never have this feature that I think is essential DW for my needs. I think that, as has been said, editing in the outbox can cover the need ... surely you wouldn't want to change *every* mail you receive, would you? Or are you modifying every subject for cataloging purposes? I'm just guessing wildly now, aren't I g. Anyway, unless you start using TB in "anger", you're not going to know if the slightly longer way of achieving that one function is a show-stopper when weighed up with the rest of TB's functionality. I originally migrated to TB over two years ago. I had searched long and hard for a client which covered my needs. The main thing I was hooked by in TB was the way it handled templates and the wealth of macros available for them. I had to give up a few things that I had gotten used to in other clients but I have found the sacrifice so worthwhile. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Make yourself at home! Clean my kitchen. TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhWfpznkJKuSnc2gEQIMkgCg9D+LnJHatHbZhKkVJsw1yGq6KucAmgIp wPFuyqN0kU7cP4s7ToxmltNW =9DG2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17/11/00 at 14:37 A. Curtis Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:09:10 +, Doug Weller thoughtfully wrote the following: [...] DW Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am DW genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. However, given DW your strong position on this and guessing that you might have DW influence on its development, The Bat might never have this feature DW that I think is essential for my needs. We, the moderators, are users of TB! like yourself. We are neither Ritlabs employees, part of their technical team, nor part of their development team. We have no more influence over what is implemented from what is not than the rest of the members of this list. If this were not the case I'd be a very happy camper since I'd have all the features that I desired. :=) Ok. statement accepted! I'm not convinced that's the case with another product and list I won't name (and am not using now). Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Hello Listmembers, On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 at 22:43:36 [GMT +] Manfred Ell wrote: do. And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested this myself. The fact that you have requested an unnecessary feature doesn't necessarily imply that it has to be realized. You can bet that there are still enough features to be added which will raise usability for the majority of users. I agree with Marck: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am probably in the minority in holding that position :-). Archiving messages with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software out there for just that purpose. Regards Dieter __ TheBat! 1.48 Beta/6/iKey1000 [2E7F60DA] on Windows v5.0 Build 2195 SP1 -- Authorized German Registration Site: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=BatReg http://www.register-me.de/the_bat/register.html German Support : http://www.register-me.de/the_bat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dieter Hummel[EMAIL PROTECTED] FRA/GER 65931 ++ Outgoing mail with possible attachment is certified virus free ++ Checked by AVP, using database update from 11-03-2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Ref Subject: Editing received messages From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi ADoe196701, A how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. A I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address. Wow, what a perfect note to hang on the wall under: How not to send an email to a discussion list. * Subject not changed * Replied to an existing thread with a new thread * No salutation * No signature * Without capitalization one might assume the first sentence is actually a partial cutoff. Did I miss something? -- ò¸ó Nick [MUA: TB! 1.48 Beta/6] Danger [OS: Win98 4.10 1998] ["All the world's a game, and we are niggly bits"©] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17/11/00 at 23:06 Dieter Hummel wrote: [SNIP] Archiving messages with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software out there for just that purpose. Why shouldn't it be a way to work professionally and efficiently? I don't see how using another program has to be more efficient. And out of curiousity, what software would you recommend for the purpose? Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17/11/00 at 21:14 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: [SNIP] Please understand that it is a known standard practice for competitors to join mailing lists and start a fight just for the "flying fur" of it. As moderator it is my job to be vigilant and nip any such attack "in the bud". Again, I apologize for tarring you with this particular brush. I don't mean or wish to scare /you/ off. Ok, I understand your position, thanks. DW Well, I hope you accept that I intended to cause no offense and am DW genuinely interested in The Bat as an alternative. I do. In which case, back to the issue... did you understand that you *can* do what you are looking for in TB by dragging a message to the OutBox and editing it there before returning it to the folder where you want to keep it? Yes, that's not too bad, might download the demo and try that. While it may not be as simple as the Calypso method, you may find that the way TB does the stuff it's *really* strong on may give you good reason to give it a try. Yep. [SNIP] Anyway, unless you start using TB in "anger", you're not going to know if the slightly longer way of achieving that one function is a show-stopper when weighed up with the rest of TB's functionality. Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, On 17 November 2000 at 22:34:39 + (which was 22:34 where I live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points: DW Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of DW messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it DW happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be DW surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also. Version 1.42 (IIRC) saw a radical improvement here. I try to keep folders down to 1500 messages for quick access and around 18000 for archive. Above that the folders do get quite slow. In total I have more than 74000 messages in my mail base. In terms of loading time, it can take a fair few seconds to open and initialise the folder tree for me. OTOH TB's multi-threading approach means that the software is up, running, reading new mail and ready to use well before that particular job has completed. A word of caution for you here Doug: the biggest negative point in TB in terms of culture shock must be the insistence on fixed pitch font and "free caret" edit interface. I like 'em. Many don't. (hey - no "holy war" rekindling here gang - it's a DEAD HORSE before it starts, okay? g). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap? TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhW4ojnkJKuSnc2gEQLyTQCffXG8mT9aiPnGJahz1PuKcDT4kPIAoKso brN/ZXlAV4BIOPEnASV8y5QV =2yWn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17-11-2000 at 22:34:39GMT + (which was 22:34 where I live) Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also. Hello Doug, Just throw them at "the flying mouse" and keep them coming, you won't be disappointed!!! Especially if you come from Calypso ;-) And I feel entitled to this comment because I've bought Calypso (and Eudora and TheBat) and used them all. Calypso stores *everything* in one database! I don't want to start another war here, please... I just *know* first hand and have compared all three. Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, at 22:34:39 [GMT +] you wrote: [..] Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also. I'm a stickler for message formatting. I'm curious as to how your message formatting get's to look like how it's displayed above. I'm quite sure this was not your intention and that you would have preferred if it looked like this: Any comments from anyone as to how it is with thousands of messages (yes, I know that might be considered a bad idea, but it happens!). Other clients are very slow to open and I wouldn't be surprised, or put off terribly, if The Bat were also. Are you accustomed to hitting the return key thus creating your own hard returns? This brings me to one of the reasons why I'm attracted to TB! so much it doesn't reformat text upon sending, so the formatting you see before you send, is the formatting the recipient will receive. Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Calypso all suffer from the bad model of wrapping text upon sending ... not while editing. This wrapping on sending, oh so wrongfully, includes quoted material. Anyway, to answer your question, TB! handles thousands of messages very well, but its performance depends a lot on the performance of your hard disk. I presently have 35,000 messages across 2 accounts in TB!. On my older drive, TB! opened very quickly. Even though, you see the message tallying going on (this takes a few moments), TB! is already downloading mail. It's beautifully multi-threaded, you see. :=) I have a folder here containing 7000 messages. When I opened it on my older hard disk, I had to wait for about 5 seconds for the message list to appear. Now that I have my new, faster hard disk, TB! starts even more quickly and the folder message numbers are tallied almost immediately. The message list of the 7000 message folders appears in less than a second. :=) - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Fer sell cheep: IBM spel chekker. Wurks grate. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhW6LPAXeSHuB5k3EQJzUACaA4Rc8m7VDigy6olPt1QWs8x8e+QAoPCa 7XB970B13DLRZnGhe6FvkVES =rcI2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 17-11-2000 at 23:06:22GMT +0100 (which was 22:06 where I live) Dieter Hummel wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Hello Dieter, Now here is someone teaching again! I'm German too Dieter (and we like to teach for sure). The fact that you have requested an unnecessary feature doesn't necessarily imply that it has to be realized. You can bet that there are still enough features to be added which will raise usability for the majority of users. Everyone is entitled to his or her position. And if you think this feature is unnecessary than this is OK, for you, but I would like the feature (as would others). And I as a user (which BTW bought the software) feel entitled to suggest as many features to RIT as I whish to. They might consider them or might not, it's up to them. But I *really* think that they should be happy for every suggestion, which they get. Because it means that the users like and care for the software to the extend to think about improving it! Archiving messages with an email client s.o. is using isn't the way to work professionally and effectively: there is specialized software out there for just that purpose. Please! How to work "professionally" or "effectively" is everyone's guess! Don't teach or preach. You work one way and I another and I don't like to be called unprofessional or ineffective. I don't know your age and experience and you don't know mine. So let's tolerate each other. OK!? Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Editing received messages)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Manfred, On 17 November 2000 at 23:21:35 + (which was 23:21 where I live) Manfred Ell wrote and made these points: ME Everyone is entitled to his or her position. Agreed. I have snipped the rest of this message because I want this branch of the discussion to stop (on-list). If anyone want's to continue discussing this topic then do so either in private or on TBOT. Tempers are fraying and I don't want to see anyone saying anything they may regret :-). So - t'is a DEAD HORSE, my friends. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Headline - Sex Education Delayed, Teachers Request Training TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhXCZjnkJKuSnc2gEQIQ4QCg/s43qktdeb/v6mAOni0jp6bK8wsAni8w WDnpgcDTKYLjYGYsYFBsEJUI =btSE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Hotmail and TB (was: Re: Editing received messages)
Hello ADoe196701, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 at 16:47:52 GMT EST (which was 1:47 PM where I live) witnesses say [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: how do I get my messages and email addresses off of hotmail and onto the bat. I'm having trouble fining their pop3 address. As far as I know, Hotmail does not offer POP3 access. You will need to use a program that can get messages from web based mail servers. Outlook can access Hotmail, and there are other tools that can also access Hotmail and download your messages onto your computer. If this is not an option, consider changing e-mail accounts to a service that does offer free POP3 access. I am evaluating 3 such services at the moment. Here are some of the things I've found. This is purely from my experience, your mileage may vary. www.operamail.com - Pretty good, I've had some unreliable moments, but overall, not bad. - Tends to be the slowest of the three mentioned. - Hasn't bounced any mail sent to it through my forwarding addresses yet. www.gmx.net - Very nice, but I've found that it goes down quite often. This is a significant problem. - When it is up and running, it has the best web based interface and is very fast. - It seems to reject all mail from Hotmail.com addresses. I'm not completely sure about this point, but maybe someone else could share their experiences? Could this be because of my use of forwarding addresses? - There is an English version too, just select your language from the multilingual drop-down. www.SoftHome.net - Seems to be very reliable and very fast. I haven't had this one for very long, so don't quote me on the reliability at this point. - I haven't tried making one of my forwarding addresses point to this one. I can't comment on how well SoftHome handles this part. - Only mailing list mail is coming through this account. I haven't noticed any missing messages yet. There are several others available as well. For a more complete list, see the list provided by Angel in a post to TBUDL on October 2, 2000 under the subject "Re: email services that work well w/ TB!" You can find the message in the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15604.html It is extremely well written. [Angel: Thanks for the great list!] -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Hello Doug, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 at 18:54:42 GMT + (which was 10:54 AM where I live) witnesses say Doug Weller typed: Why shouldn't users have the choice? Eg. I get a long post full of recipes. I only want to keep a few of them. What is wrong with deleting the rest? As others have pointed out, there are ways to edit the message. The question is, should RITLabs add a feature to specifically edit messages. It seems like a waste of time given all the other wishes and the fact that you *can* edit a message. It just isn't as simple as some other programs. I personally dislike programs where it is *extremely* easy to edit a message. I used Outlook at work, and you can edit a message simply by typing. I found I would write my replies in the original message instead of in a proper reply. It was *very* annoying. g -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Hi Doug, Wednesday, November 15, 2000, 11:38:47 PM, you wrote: ... I've used Becky and Calypso and become dependent upon the ability to edit the text and subject line of old messages. ... I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this facility sometime? Try this: 1. mark the message 2. select Tools - Export Messages - UNIX Mailbox 3. save your message to whatever name and place you choose, just remember filename and the directory you store it in (you will need to know it in the next step) 4. open this file in the editor of your choice, edit it as much as you like and save it. (Again remember the filename and its directory) 5. In TB! select Tools - Import Messages - From UNIX Mailboxes ... and choose the file you saved in step 4 6. You will find the (changed) email as new message in the very folder you had marked in the moment you imported the message in step 5 -- Hope it helps, Peter -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't plain text). That's a lot easier! Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:14:20 +, Doug Weller wrote these comments about 'Editing received messages': DW Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the DW message/subject line, and then click on the disc DW icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't DW plain text). DW That's a lot easier! You only need to do that export - edit - import routine if you wish to preserve the message headers. If not, you can drag and drop the messaage to the outbox, open the message from there, edit it and then replace it in the folder you dragged it from. - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Flying saucers are real, the Air Force doesn't exist. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhRWl/AXeSHuB5k3EQLIwgCg9EoPfp3g3PFLBjxCpEYN/hrm374AoPx1 4sP39d6oXpINLqbvnQcMYedH =OJnW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, On 16 November 2000 at 21:14:20 + (which was 21:14 where I live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points: DW Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit DW the message/subject line, and then click on the disc icon to save DW it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't plain DW text). DW That's a lot easier! Now, if I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask if I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot. Thank you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does not. It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll have convinced the users here that it is a better world. (TB can remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be peeled off by deleting it). There are good reasons that an email client doesn't allow you to change incoming mails easily. For instance, it is this kind of trivialisation that cheapens email as a legitimate record of a communication. I know now that any forwarded message from a Calypso user is as unrepresentative as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads up :-). Sorry if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes against the list policy here. If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any offence caused. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Air Pollution is a mist-demeanor TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhRdZDnkJKuSnc2gEQKJ3wCgxzutlC99XZMwu823jHOQ748CtH8AoMlU I2d0KIleF/e547fMEZy7VUer =Qu3x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16-11-2000 at 22:19:16GMT + (which was 22:19 where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Now, if I wanted to I could join the Calypso list (using TB) and ask if I can do, say, one of the many things TB does that Calypso cannot. Thank you for sharing with us the one thing Calypso does that TB does not. It has been most entertaining. However, I'm not sure that you'll have convinced the users here that it is a better world. (TB can remove HTML because it already shows the HTML attachment, which can be peeled off by deleting it). There are good reasons that an email client doesn't allow you to change incoming mails easily. For instance, it is this kind of trivialisation that cheapens email as a legitimate record of a communication. I know now that any forwarded message from a Calypso user is as unrepresentative as those I already distrust from Becky users. Thanks for the heads up :-). Sorry if this seems a bit of an aggressive response but your postings here seem to me like a veiled attempt to promote Calypso and that goes against the list policy here. If that was not your intention then please accept my apologies for any offence caused. Hello Marck D., You maybe right on what you say here but I *do* think that your response is a bit harsh even for a moderator of a very specific list. It is a legitimate "petition" to inquire if TheBat does what other emailers do. And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested this myself. There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other hates. This is called: democracy And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would like to see in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*. Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Manfred, On 16 November 2000 at 22:43:36 + (which was 22:43 where I live) Manfred Ell wrote and made these points: ME You maybe right on what you say here but I *do* think that your ME response is a bit harsh even for a moderator of a very specific ME list. Perhaps, but from what you say here, I don't think that you have clearly understood the nature of my response. Thank you for this opportunity to clarify what it meant for the non-native English readers. ME It is a legitimate "petition" to inquire if TheBat does what other ME emailers do. I didn't say it /wasn't/ a legitimate enquiry. Of course it was :-). I didn't respond to the original /enquiry/. I didn't respond to any of the responses to Doug's enquiry either. I was perfectly happy up to that point. I was mildly concerned that Doug posted his original enquiry using Calypso. Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received by promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you concerned that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature is lacking? Doug's only response was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request. I wasn't harsh about the feature. ME And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested ME this myself. I know. I have seen the request ;-). I don't agree with it shrug, but that was *not* the harsh element of my post. Have another look at it bearing in mind what I have said here. The section of my response discussing the theory of changing a received mail was purely in the spirit of the debate. Honestly. ME There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other ME hates. This is called: democracy Of course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion on the subject :-). ME And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would ME like to see in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*. Exactly. But here's what I think you may have missed: if Doug had shown that he wanted to improve TB, I would not have written as I did. He did *not* seem to be showing that at all. I responded as befits my suspicions and left space to have been wrong about it. BTW: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am probably in the minority in holding that position :-). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: A hurricane is a breeze of a bigly size. TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhRtUznkJKuSnc2gEQK2YACfX+1zf36Ex77/0exC64oZXSlzflYAnjIL 6SqxgGWCG7qtuo/9OMMNDpho =1K5D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16-11-2000 at 23:27:15GMT + (which was 23:27 where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Marck, Perhaps, but from what you say here, I don't think that you have clearly understood the nature of my response. Thank you for this opportunity to clarify what it meant for the non-native English readers. This might be a problem sometimes ;-) I was mildly concerned that Doug posted his original enquiry using Calypso. Then he only replied to one of the responses he had received by promoting Calypso's features, once again using Calypso. Aren't you concerned that Doug didn't respond to your agreement that the feature is lacking? True. And I didn't check what client he was using! Doug's only response was to ridicule the method Peter suggested for achieving the request. That isn't constructive. That's why I was harsh and that's *what* I was harsh about. I wasn't harsh about the request. I wasn't harsh about the feature. True again. ME And changing the email is one of such things. I have requested ME this myself. I know. I have seen the request ;-). I don't agree with it shrug, but that was *not* the harsh element of my post. Have another look at it bearing in mind what I have said here. The section of my response discussing the theory of changing a received mail was purely in the spirit of the debate. Honestly. No offense taken! Thanks for clarifying your point of view, this is good style (and this is why you're a good moderator). ME There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other ME hates. This is called: democracy Of course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion on the subject :-). ME And yes I think that Becky has it's nice touches, which I would ME like to see in TheBat, *because I want to keep TheBat*. Exactly. But here's what I think you may have missed: if Doug had shown that he wanted to improve TB, I would not have written as I did. He did *not* seem to be showing that at all. I responded as befits my suspicions and left space to have been wrong about it. BTW: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am probably in the minority in holding that position :-). No, I think you are generally correct on this. BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received (business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora where I come from and I miss it here too. Best Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
Hello Manfred, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 at 00:01:29 GMT + (which was 4:01 PM where I live) witnesses say Manfred Ell typed: BUT I have had the need to edit one or the other email I have received (business stuff) not to change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to the end of it, like notes from a phone conversation. (e.g. when I sent prices to a client and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to jot this down on the original email so that I have a record of it). Perhaps there's a better way to do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora where I come from and I miss it here too. Have you tried TB's Memo feature? View - Memo Auto-View. Be sure to back up your index files regularly if you do this though... -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:27:15 +, Marck D. Pearlstone contributed this to the collective wisdom of the human race: [...] ME There are no 2 equal users. One wants one feature, which the other ME hates. This is called: democracy MDP Of course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an opinion MDP on the subject :-). It's difficult to mix what is your opinion with a 'moderatorial' reprimand or warning. The whole message tends to be taken as being 'moderatorial' in nature. :=) [..] MDP BTW: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically MDP "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am MDP probably in the minority in holding that position :-). ssshhh I have a folder called 'List Gems'. If I see a very informative message posted, I copy it to my 'List Gems' folder. If the subject is totally off-base with the content, I used to give it a nudge in the right direction by modifying it. It makes it easier for me to tell what each message gem is about. :=) The same goes for my shareware registrations. I register a LOT of software, being a software freak and all. :=))) I used to change the subjects to help me know which registration info is for which software. / :=) After all that's said, I have recently stopped doing all that since the introduction of memo's. I do agree with Marck's concern and memo's have provided a nice, perhaps superior means of describing what the message is about without interfering with it's content. - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Patience is a virtue, it's just not one of my better virtues " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhR5D/AXeSHuB5k3EQJRgQCg5y47TZToKF5tgBmnc18XP/s3z/QAn2Gg 0BMJMA5CpCTr4tPH+IkaM11X =Zd3T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, at 23:27:15 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP BTW: I still believe that am correct about it being intrinsically MDP "wrong" to edit received messages for filing. I also accept that I am MDP probably in the minority in holding that position :-). I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted and untrustworthy. I would like to request that this never be done to TB. - -- Mike Yetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mailed using The Bat! v1.47 Halloween Edition running on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhR6Vtkz/SR3Uv4yEQLHfgCg4z/wqCRtFa0ve0cMpnLx1LeKNhIAnRiq iyOY79SV4fZUgTDfUh8IZM8E =++nC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Manfred, On Thursday, November 16, 2000 @ 00:01:29 +, you wrote the following about "Editing received messages" Manfred [...] BUT I have had the need to edit one or the Manfred other email I have received (business stuff) not to Manfred change it's contents but to add some memo stuff to Manfred the end of it, like notes from a phone Manfred conversation. (e.g. when I sent prices to a client Manfred and then change some stuff afterwards I'd like to Manfred jot this down on the original email so that I have Manfred a record of it). Perhaps there's a better way to Manfred do. And for this I have used the feature in Eudora Manfred where I come from and I miss it here too. [...] I have sort of been following this thread. Wouldn't TB!'s memo function (CTRL-SHFT-I) help you in this matter? - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhR8hJccVS5MnN+dEQJxuwCeJjEaIQZOAl0bWVuDA2dpiaqAoLAAoLH0 FbHtSNdaCbvwJY1dLyTjL5Id =5iFW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi A, On 17 November 2000 at 19:17:19 -0500 (which was 00:17 where I live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points: MDP Of course. And I have exerted my democratic right to state an MDP opinion on the subject :-). ACM It's difficult to mix what is your opinion with a 'moderatorial' ACM reprimand or warning. The whole message tends to be taken as ACM being 'moderatorial' in nature. :=) Agreed. I usually tried to avoid doing that where I can. This was one in which I could not. ACM After all that's said, I have recently stopped doing all that ACM since the introduction of memo's. I do agree with Marck's concern ACM and memo's have provided a nice, perhaps superior means of ACM describing what the message is about without interfering with ACM it's content. To be fair, I don't mind it that much. I prefer the "drag it to the outbox, edit and replace it" method of changing a message because at least it also changes the "received" time of the message from that of the original. This method disconnects the new version of the message from any pretence of being a true record of the original. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Headline - Air Head Fired TB! v1.48 Beta/6 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOhR9CznkJKuSnc2gEQKBlgCfeLgrnrA+8VLVX3XcMqh9z8Q9Ui4AoNym FBJd5WfkEBaxwloBUd0BPnqO =b0OE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 November, 2000, 7:43 PM, I saw Marck's comments made on Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:34:19 +, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: MDP To be fair, I don't mind it that much. I prefer the "drag it to the MDP outbox, edit and replace it" method of changing a message because MDP at least it also changes the "received" time of the message from MDP that of the original. This method disconnects the new version of MDP the message from any pretence of being a true record of the MDP original. I do prefer dragging the message to the outbox and modifying it there. It messes up the headers and more or less totally invalidates the message as you said. :=) - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Reality is an obstacle to hallucination. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhR/lfAXeSHuB5k3EQIwoACgo37VB4WKAo++6STAMIMdmQDi458An3HQ A1YqMTki7grT0tjZTYESykVX =KioN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:22:39 -0500, Mike Yetto graced us with these comments: MY I completely agree that editing received messages leaves them tainted MY and untrustworthy. I would like to request that this never be done to MY TB. I tend to agree here. There are two ways of modifying received messages using TB! as it is. They're a tad more tedious than what Becky and Calypso provide, but this should be the case since making it easy for the passing user encourages the practice rather than discourage it. Incoming messages shouldn't be modified ..but .. if you must do it, it can be done. :=) - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Have it OUR way. Yours is IRRELEVANT. At BORGerKing. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhR/K/AXeSHuB5k3EQLgtgCeKqQ5BTwmbI/8mCQs8wDkmihhBj8Anizf UtkcdPYvn1lLKCoNKc9nOJdZ =gmJY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 16-11-2000 at 22:50, A. Curtis Martin kindly wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:14:20 +, Doug Weller wrote: DW Thanks, but right now I can click on Edit Message in Calypso, edit the DW message/subject line, and then click on the disc DW icon to save it (having clicked on remove rich text (HTML) if it wasn't DW plain text). You only need to do that export - edit - import routine if you wish to preserve the message headers. If not, you can drag and drop the messaage to the outbox, open the message from there, edit it and then replace it in the folder you dragged it from. But that will change the message-id, which is something you don't always want. Doug, if the only thing that you want to get rid of is the html, there often is an easier solution within TB: When you open a html-message, you'll often (not always) see small tabs at the end of the message. Click on the first tab and you'll get the cleared body with an attachment on the left side of the body itself, in the shape of a netscape / explorer icon. You can right-click the icon and delete it. Voilà: the message is permently cleared of html. - K - -- Censors tend to do what only psychotics do. They confuse reality with illusion. - David Cronenberg in an interview -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Editing received messages
Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and become dependent upon the ability to edit the text and subject line of old messages. I use my mail reader as a temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this facility sometime? Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 15-11-2000 at 22:38:47GMT + (which was 22:38 where I live) Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and become dependent upon the ability to edit the text and subject line of old messages. I use my mail reader as a temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this facility sometime? Thanks. Doug Hello Doug, If only we could!! I suggested this several times to RIT but until now to no avail. Either we are only 2 in need of this or they have a very low priority on this Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing received messages
On 15-11-2000 at 22:38:47GMT + (which was 22:38 where I live) Doug Weller wrote regarding the subject of "Editing received messages" Apologies if this is an old chestnut, but I've used Becky and Calypso and become dependent upon the ability to edit the text and subject line of old messages. I use my mail reader as a temporary or permanent archive, and wouldn't want to lose this facility. I like The Bat -- is there any chance it might get this facility sometime? Thanks. Doug Hello Doug, If only we could! I suggested this a while ago to RIT but either it is a feature, which few request or it has a low priority on their list. Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/6 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
