Re: Bug in colorgroup
Hello Trash, A reminder of what Trash typed on: Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 09:58:23 GMT +0100 T There is a major bug involved with Virtual folders filters and color groups. T If I create a Virtual Folder that selects items based on color group T (in fact one of 5 colors), then within a few usages each group in the T filter spontaneously changes to generic Group (drawing in every email) T Makes color groups useless for almost anything other than decoration. T Any other experience with this? Yes I have have problems with color groups, but only in some accounts. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! Version 6.8.0.9 (BETA) (32-bit) On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7601 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello Thomas, TF Hello Jack, TF On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:47:35 -0600 GMT (18/Dec/09, 22:47 PM +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Can someone tell me what this means? JSL The following issue has been RESOLVED. JSL == JSL https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7775 JSL == JSL It says that the issue is fixed but the status is verify wait. TF They are waiting for someone to confirm that it's fixed. I just did TF the honours. JSL Since I am *NOT* running the latest and greatest version of TB! does JSL this mean that at some point I'll have to upgrade to see the results JSL of this fix? JSL Say it ain't so. TF Of course it is so. They cannot fix bugs retrospectively, it's fixed TF in the next beta version, which I did download to verify. It will be TF fixed in the next release version. Thank you Thomas. I knew that I'd have to upgrade to see any fixes; I just didn't want to have to do that. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net :deuxdad: Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 4.0.38 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello Jack, On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:56:22 -0600 GMT (21/Dec/09, 20:56 PM +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF Of course it is so. They cannot fix bugs retrospectively, it's fixed TF in the next beta version, which I did download to verify. It will be TF fixed in the next release version. JSL Thank you Thomas. I knew that I'd have to upgrade to see any fixes; I JSL just didn't want to have to do that. No problem. My bill for the Consultancy Fee is in the mail. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.13.8 ALPHA under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello Thomas, TF Hello Jack, TF On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:56:22 -0600 GMT (21/Dec/09, 20:56 PM +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF Of course it is so. They cannot fix bugs retrospectively, it's fixed TF in the next beta version, which I did download to verify. It will be TF fixed in the next release version. JSL Thank you Thomas. I knew that I'd have to upgrade to see any fixes; I JSL just didn't want to have to do that. TF No problem. My bill for the Consultancy Fee is in the mail. As is my remittance. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 4.0.38 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello Jack, On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:47:35 -0600 GMT (18/Dec/09, 22:47 PM +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Can someone tell me what this means? JSL The following issue has been RESOLVED. JSL == JSL https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7775 JSL == JSL It says that the issue is fixed but the status is verify wait. They are waiting for someone to confirm that it's fixed. I just did the honours. JSL Since I am *NOT* running the latest and greatest version of TB! does JSL this mean that at some point I'll have to upgrade to see the results JSL of this fix? JSL Say it ain't so. Of course it is so. They cannot fix bugs retrospectively, it's fixed in the next beta version, which I did download to verify. It will be fixed in the next release version. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.13.8 ALPHA under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello MFPA, M Hi M On Friday 18 December 2009 at 6:17:56 PM, in M mid:464214305.20091218121...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I may be old and senile M You *may* be but I have no reason to believe one way or the other (-; but I'm not senile enough to expect my current version to be magically upgraded. M Sorry, I just couldn't resist interpreting your question that way... I more or less knew the answer to my question before I asked it but I was hoping against hope that there might be a way to get the fix without paying for an upgrade. M I had not spotted you are on version 4.0.38 like me, and would need to M pay for any upgrade. I rarely view messages in HTML so this one M doesn't affect me, but there are a couple of bugs reportedly fixed M since 4.0.38 that I'm looking forward to seeing the back of when I can M upgrade. Actually, the incomplete rendering of those particular HTML images has little consequence for me also. I brought it up merely as an indication of an error which may have been propagated through all subsequent upgrades and if so, would require attention. It would be difficult to brag about TB! being the absolute *BEST* email client knowing a bug existed. I've found no other shortcomings with 4.0.38 so far so I'll probably just stay with it. I do appreciate your input though. I trust you interpreted my previous message as being posted with tongue being firmly planted in cheek? -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 4.0.38 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hi On Saturday 19 December 2009 at 3:40:12 PM, in mid:1555134765.20091219094...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I trust you interpreted my previous message as being posted with tongue being firmly planted in cheek? Of course (-; -- Best regards MFPA The truth is rarely pure and never simple Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hallo Jack, On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:47:35 -0600GMT (18-12-2009, 16:47 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JSL Since I am *NOT* running the latest and greatest version of TB! does JSL this mean that at some point I'll have to upgrade to see the results JSL of this fix? Yes. Bug fixes are never implemented in abandoned versions. -- Groetjes, Roelof (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with a large hammer http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.13.6 ALPHA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpG9TjO2qpti.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
On Friday, December 18, 2009, 10:44:48 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: Yes. Bug fixes are never implemented in abandoned versions. installing a bug fix would be an upgrade. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.13.4 ALPHA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hi On Friday 18 December 2009 at 3:47:35 PM, in mid:17210726473.20091218094...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Fellow list members, Can someone tell me what this means? The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7775 == It says that the issue is fixed but the status is verify wait. Since I am *NOT* running the latest and greatest version of TB! does this mean that at some point I'll have to upgrade to see the results of this fix? Say it ain't so. It *is* so. Whatever they fix or don't fix will not alter the copy of The Bat! installed on your machine. (-; -- Best regards MFPA When duty calls...hang up immediately Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hello MFPA, M Hi M On Friday 18 December 2009 at 3:47:35 PM, in M mid:17210726473.20091218094...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Fellow list members, Can someone tell me what this means? The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7775 == It says that the issue is fixed but the status is verify wait. Since I am *NOT* running the latest and greatest version of TB! does this mean that at some point I'll have to upgrade to see the results of this fix? Say it ain't so. M It *is* so. Whatever they fix or don't fix will not alter the copy of M The Bat! installed on your machine. (-; I may be old and senile but I'm not senile enough to expect my current version to be magically upgraded. I more or less knew the answer to my question before I asked it but I was hoping against hope that there might be a way to get the fix without paying for an upgrade. Alas, 'twas not to be. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 4.0.38 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug tracker notification
Hi On Friday 18 December 2009 at 6:17:56 PM, in mid:464214305.20091218121...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I may be old and senile You *may* be but I have no reason to believe one way or the other (-; but I'm not senile enough to expect my current version to be magically upgraded. Sorry, I just couldn't resist interpreting your question that way... I more or less knew the answer to my question before I asked it but I was hoping against hope that there might be a way to get the fix without paying for an upgrade. I had not spotted you are on version 4.0.38 like me, and would need to pay for any upgrade. I rarely view messages in HTML so this one doesn't affect me, but there are a couple of bugs reportedly fixed since 4.0.38 that I'm looking forward to seeing the back of when I can upgrade. -- Best regards MFPA There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in Automatic Backup
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:03:06 +0200, Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's in the registry. In HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! there is a key Last backup path. It should be safe to change the value and restart The Bat!. Hi, Hm, when I check that key, it does indeed say my application data folder for my Windows user account, on the C drive. The error message in The Bat most definitely mentions the E drive though. Even a full search of the registry looking for 'e:\' brings up nothing for The Bat :( -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in Automatic Backup
Hi Mr, on Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:37:06 +1000GMT (23.08.2008, 05:37 +0200GMT here), you wrote: MH What I need to know - where is The Bat getting this old E drive path MH from? It's not from the preferences, that is obvious. It can only be MH from the message base that I've had throughout my Bat installations MH surely? And is there a fix for my problem? It's in the registry. In HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! there is a key Last backup path. It should be safe to change the value and restart The Bat!. -- Cheers Peter MOUSE.DRV not found - use RAT.DRV instead? Y/n Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.99.24
Hello all, Monday, September 17, 2007, Tim Hamm wrote: !9/17/2007, 10:50:42: FETCH - Access violation at address 100053CB in module 'antispamservant.tbp'. Read of address remove AntispSniper plugin first, receiving will work I think. Then check if You have latest version of AntispamSniper, I am using 2.6.1.2 and have no AV here. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.99.24
Hi Marek, on Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:33:11 +0200GMT (17.09.2007, 20:33 +0200GMT here), you wrote: MM Monday, September 17, 2007, Tim Hamm wrote: !9/17/2007, 10:50:42: FETCH - Access violation at address 100053CB in module 'antispamservant.tbp'. Read of address ^^^ You didn't read carefully! ;-) But I agree with you that removing the plugin should solve the problem. -- Cheers Peter The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering iron, a manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas. Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.99.24
Hello all, Monday, September 17, 2007, Tim Hamm wrote: FYI, This is a message I just received from NOD32 Tech Support. The English is not very good but I get the point. This is not a plug-in made it by ESET and is not installed automatically with NOD32. this is right, plugin is created by Ritlabs, Eset has other priorities and I was unable to force them to do it. You don't need this plug-in, IMON and AMON will be protecting constantly your The Bat accounts without needing any further configuration. 1) if You will use SSL/TLS for encrypting communication, other app like NOD32 will be unable to check data You are sending/receiving 2) IMON/AMON and other proxy app can't check attachments stored in encrypted S/MIME or PGP messages, TB will check them via plugin, when You receive such message and decrypt 3) if will be message devided to more parts and sent to rescipient, such proxy will check every mail separately -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.99.24
Hello all, Monday, September 17, 2007, Tim Hamm wrote: I am using antispamservant.tbp not antispsniper are you saying these are the same? sorry, You have right, my mistake, they have similar name... remove AntispamServant and check if they released new version. Also, I noticed you are using the NOD32 anti-virus plug-in. I have NOD32 but where did you get the plug-in? I went to Preferences under Anti-virus and I see no plug-in. try this latest build, it is placed in beta directory, but works without problems for year: http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/beta/nod32.rar (50kB) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.99.24
Hello all, Monday, September 17, 2007, Tim Hamm wrote: Lately, I have been having issues with TB retrieving e-mail. I can retrieve e-mail from Outlook Express but not from TB. This has to be some kind of bug in Version 3.99.24. Other versions of TB I have not had this issue. if You open Log window (Ctrl+Shift+A), what error is there? Did not You activated unsupported authentication for example? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug -- Windows clipboard only works sometimes
Hello Walt, Using win 98se I fixed the problem by first uninstalling tb (opting to retain all settings during the uninstall dialog) and then rebooting and finally re installing tb pro 3.85 .03. This works fine with clipboard, word, firefox etc. As I lost all the bayesit training I've moved to antispamsniper which is quicker to train IMHO. I hope this helps -- Best wishes, Gordon. Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: AV
Hi On Wednesday 13 September 2006 at 7:19:32 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Fjelsten wrote: I get these on exiting: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00883959 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . --- OK --- I get these AVs apparently randomly (sometimes on starting or closing TB! and sometimes coincident with failed PGP operations or sending/receiving messages). Usually infrequent but occasionally enough to make TB! virtually useless for a few hours to a couple of days. -- Best regards, MFPA Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: AV
Hello Peter, On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PF I get these on exiting: No AVs here but, if it's been running for more than a few hours, it still takes an absolute age to close down. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.85.03 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.6.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: AV
Hello Jim, On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JK I had similar results here (the long shutdown time) and came across an item JK in one of the help files that suggested NOT doing compress on exit I never have done. I have maintenance scheduled to run each night at 4am and I don't empty trash or compress on exit. JK I have a couple of folders with more than 20,000 messages in each That's not my problem either. I move all messages from any folder that has more than 1,000 messages in it to an archive account that is never opened (and thus never checked on close down or start up), except when I want to look for an older message. JK I still keep things tidy, So do I but it still doesn't work :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.85.03 with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.6.5 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug says 'fixed' but 'verify wait' ???
Hello Marten Gallagher everyone else, on 02-Mai-2006 at 19:12 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote: Does that mean it's fixed but 'they' are waiting for the original reporter to verify that it is *really* fixed or what? Yes -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) 2 + 2 = 5, for sufficiently large values of 2. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug says 'fixed' but 'verify wait' ???
Hello all, Tuesday, May 2, 2006, Marten Gallagher wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5842 Bug says 'fixed' but 'verify wait' ??? Does that mean it's fixed but 'they' are waiting for the original reporter to verify that it is *really* fixed or what? yes, developer fixed it and reporter or admin must verify, if it is fixed for him. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.80.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello John Phillips everyone else, on 30-Apr-2006 at 00:56 you (John Phillips) wrote: You have to install the pcwize smilies. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php Thanks. In which directory should they be installed? TB's program directory should have a subdirectory images, thats where the smilies go. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) If you're doing something the same way that you have been doing it for ten years, the chances are that you are doing it wrong. -- Charles Kettering Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, at 11:34:59 [GMT+0200] (which was 19:34:59 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: TB's program directory should have a subdirectory images, thats where the smilies go. Unfortunately not here. OK to create? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Shh! Be vewy qwiet! I'm hunting wuntime ewwows! Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello John Phillips everyone else, on 30-Apr-2006 at 11:49 you (John Phillips) wrote: TB's program directory should have a subdirectory images, thats where the smilies go. Unfortunately not here. OK to create? You must have administrative rights to create a new folder in the %PROGRAMFILES% path, but its OK to create the directory of course. :-) Its C:\Program Files\Internet\The Bat!\images here Copy both the data directory (the pcwsmileys folder where the actual graphics are) and the index file (pcwsmileys.msl) into the images directory and restart TheBat. All that left before seeing the images now is that you must switch to the Rich Text Viewer, and enable the smileys. Either temporarily by right-clicking in the Rich Text Viewer window/preview and checking the Smileys, or permanently in the editor prefs, Options / Preferences / Viewer-Editor, checkbox in the middle... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. --Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, at 12:00:51 [GMT+0200] (which was 20:00:51 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Either temporarily by right-clicking in the Rich Text Viewer window/preview and checking the Smileys, or permanently in the editor prefs, Options / Preferences / Viewer-Editor, checkbox in the middle... Thanks for the help! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 WYTYSYDG-What you thought you saw, you didn't get. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello John, Properties General. No place to enter number of messages to keep, or number of days to keep them. I cannot confirm. Are you perhaps looking at a Virtual Folder properties? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.80.03 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi MAU, On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, at 14:09:29 [GMT+0200] (which was 22:09:29 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I cannot confirm. Are you perhaps looking at a Virtual Folder properties? No. Using max resolution 1024 x 768. Same problem when creating a new folder. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If it's Tourist Season, howcum we can't shoot 'em, Pa? Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Recently, John Phillips squawked : No place to enter number of messages to keep, or number of days to keep them. Not confirmed in my WinME. RMB on Folder Name then Properties brings up window with usual two Q's about # and how long -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.80.03 Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello Robert, Saturday, April 29, 2006, 2:28:38 PM, you wrote: Recently, John Phillips squawked : No place to enter number of messages to keep, or number of days to keep them. Not confirmed in my WinME. RMB on Folder Name then Properties brings up window with usual two Q's about # and how long right. same here. -- Best regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?hobfilm Using The Bat! v3.80.03 Opera v8.54.7730 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject PGP key request pgpQFom5QQ4yu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi Ian, On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, at 21:49:38 [GMT+1000] (which was 21:49:38 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: This happens with large font. It is something that has to be addressed. Now that you mention itI have also changed the font size in an effort to correct the problem, which well may have not been caused by screen resolution size. Font size was 120dpi, now 96 dpi, and the problem is solved. Font size or screen resolution? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Beer: So much more than a breakfast drink. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi Ian, On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, at 21:49:38 [GMT+1000] (which was 21:49:38 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: :Australia_Flag: So how do I view this? (Being a patriotic little digger that I am :-)) -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If blind people wear sunglasses, why don't deaf people wear earmuffs? Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello John Phillips everyone else, on 29-Apr-2006 at 15:34 you (John Phillips) wrote: So how do I view this? ( You have to install the pcwize smilies. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Aim at Heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you will get neither. -- C. S. Lewis Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hello John! On Saturday, April 29, 2006, 8:33 AM, you wrote: Font size was 120dpi, now 96 dpi, and the problem is solved. Font size or screen resolution? Font size. I opened a BT issue report a few betas back. Then my main problem of no bottom buttons was fixed. However, I reopened it when these issues with truncated sides (both right and left) surfaced. When you get time, would you please add a note to http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5817 ? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 3.80.03
Hi Alexander, On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, at 15:54:40 [GMT+0200] (which was 23:54:40 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: You have to install the pcwize smilies. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php Thanks. In which directory should they be installed? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. - Eleanor Roosevelt Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [bug] Problem with reply to a windows-1258 charset message
Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote: I join with this mail a really little example, just try : open it in TheBat! and try to reply... Open what? The only attachment is this part.txt which is the list signature lines. -tom! -- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: major severity, high priority - how long?
Hello Marten! On Friday, December 02, 2005, 3:30 AM, you wrote: 'Wait for the next release?' Indeed, but in order to restore the functionality of templates I have had to go back to a version in which the connection centre download is broken such that it hangs - can I expect that in the next full release that templates will function correctly, downlaod centre won't hang forcing nine or ten Task Manager kills a day, but instead the send function won't but it won;t matter because not everyone sends, some people just receive? I do agree with your point of view, and I have said so on TBBETA in connection with other issues when the developers would put out a version as a Full Release before giving the beta testers adequate opportunity to check out the most basic features, even. That behavior--others on TBBETA complained, also--has since improved. But the developers still maintain their basic right (which I don't dispute) to put out a full release without waiting to hear from every possible beta tester (pragmatically impossible, anyway. :) ) I know that philosophically what I'm going to suggest below may be distasteful to you. But, again, speaking pragmatically: One can subscribe to TBBETA without committing to be a beta tester. I did that myself, and lurked there for some time before signing up to be a tester. One may also post there without being a beta tester. So, for pragmatic reasons only, I suggest that you subscribe to TBBETA and post this concern there. In that way, you could get further notes added to your BT issue report, besides Marek's, because many very knowledgeable TB! users subscribe only to TBBETA. Further, the developers are actively reading TBBETA right now, as they develop and fix the current beta series, which is looking toward the full release of TB! v. 3.63. I am not sure if any of them are reading TBUDL at this time, or not. Just a thought, Marten. But I do wish you'd consider doing this. :) In my opinion, full release 3.62.14 is flawed in enough ways that it's understandable if a beta tester mistakenly still calls it a beta. (That was its number when it *was* a beta.) :( That said, I want to go on record that v. 3.62.14 worked satisfactorily for me and I so reported on TBBETA. I have only one common folder, which is the one where I keep Bug Tracker notifications, and I never Send from it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: major severity, high priority - how long?
Hello Marten, On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:30:40 + GMT (02/12/2005, 16:30 +0700 GMT), Marten Gallagher wrote: You surely have to set priorites. Anyway, it's a beta MG What are you talking about? I have never ever used a beta of TB - I'm MG talking about a function that worked for ages, then suddenyl is broken in a MG full release version. My bad. I was thinking we were talking about a beta version. I agree that this bug shouldn't have made it into a release version. -- Cheers, Thomas. A hamburger walks into a bar, and the bartender says, I'm sorry, but we don't serve food here. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: major severity, high priority - how long?
Hello Marten, On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:56:03 + GMT (01/12/2005, 14:56 +0700 GMT), Marten Gallagher wrote: MG The priority was raised to high by a TB person as far as I can tell: MG quote MG Marek Mikus - 29 Nov 2005 11:08 MG -- MG confirm and priority increased MG /quote MG http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5367 Marek has quite some influence, so your chances are good. Also, there are many bugreports, which usually increases the developers' attention. The only problem is that it hasn't been assigned to a developer yet. -- Cheers, Thomas. 24 Dinge, die man beim Sex nicht sagen sollte: 7. Hoffentlich siehst Du noch genauso aus, wenn ich wieder nuechtern bin! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.14 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: major severity, high priority - how long?
Hello Marten, On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:49:56 + GMT (02/12/2005, 01:49 +0700 GMT), Marten Gallagher wrote: MG I'm sorry but that is arrant tosh! You produce a product with functions - MG you then (inadvertently admittedly) break it - you can't hide behind well MG not many people use that function so let's not worry about it - you stop MG developing more functions and instead fix what you broke! You surely have to set priorites. Anyway, it's a beta that's what it is. I'm sure it will be fixed before the next release, because it's not a difficult task. MG Fitness for purpose is the UK legal test - currently TB fails that test. Well, it would pass with flying colours over here. Are we talking about the same issue: 0005367: Common folder templates and identity are not used for new messages If that's a show-stopper for you, I won't argue. For myself, it's a non-issue, that's why I didn't comment. You see, people work differently. -- Cheers, Thomas. FRISBEETARISM: The belief in when you die your spirit gets stuck on the roof http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug: major severity, high priority - how long?
Hello Marten, On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:25 + GMT (01/12/2005, 02:06 +0700 GMT), Marten Gallagher wrote: MG If a bug is listed as: MG Reproducibility:always MG Severity: major MG Priority: high MG Status: confirmed MG How long might one have to wait for it to be fixed? As a rule of thumb: Between a few hours and a few years. ;-) It depends on several factors, you see. Something which is always reproduciable and confirmed, is clearly a bug. However, severity is a very subjective thing; it might be a function that is crucial to your way of working, but which is hardly ever used by most people. So the priority has meaning for you, but the developers set their own priorities. That's all theory. If you have a specific bug in mind, please send the full URL here, and we can talk more clearly. -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Your place or mine? Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.14 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Bug in MAILTO link handling
Hello Alexander, Saturday, November 12, 2005, 11:09:41 AM, you wrote: Hello Jurgen Haug everyone else, I now filed the bugreport for this problem: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5332 merci bien -- Best regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: In Europe you have watches but in Africa we have time Using The Bat! v3.62.14 , Opera v8.5.7700 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject PGP key request pgpNiMOnhn8Bl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug TB : Color Groups doesn't work anymore !
Hello WilWilWil everyone else, on 21-Jun-2005 at 22:07 you (WilWilWil) wrote: ASK I've created an entry in BT. Please add your confirmations: ASK https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4801 Thanks. I confirm as soon as I can remember my account and pswd ! ;-) Don't worry. There's a number of confirmations already, I think the bug is reproducable for everyone and it will (hopefully) get attention of the dev's soon. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Allen's Distinction: The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug TB : Color Groups doesn't work anymore !
Hello WilWilWil, To work fine, I use groups of colors for the tree of folders. Since version 3.5, the color functions for tuning a folder, thanks to the option Color Groups, works, but the underlined, bold, and the italic doesnt work anymore !!! confirmed. In version v3.0.2.10 the color groups are represented correctly. Will you open a BT, I add my confirmation. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug TB : Color Groups doesn't work anymore !
Hello WilWilWil everyone else, on 20-Jun-2005 at 19:24 you (WilWilWil) wrote: To work fine, I use groups of colors for the tree of folders. Since version 3.5, the color functions for tuning a folder, thanks to the option Color Groups, works, but the underlined, bold, and the italic doesnt work anymore !!! Here's another confirmation. I've created an entry in BT. Please add your confirmations: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4801 Crosspost to TBBETA. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Errors are not in the art, but in the artificers. -- Sir Isaac Newton Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug report WAS: 3.5 bug in sorting office?
Hello djb! On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 5:08 AM, you wrote: Does anyone happen to know if the inbuilt bug-reporting email set-up actually works? (HELPFeedbackBug Report) Or does one have to go through the web-site? To my best knowledge, it does not work. One must go here and register first, and then Log In: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php It's a complex site. If you have difficulties navigating it, please report and ask here. Either I or some other fellow subscriber will try to help you. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug report WAS: 3.5 bug in sorting office?
It's a complex site. If you have difficulties navigating it, please report and ask here. Either I or some other fellow subscriber will try to help you. Thankyou Mary. Bug reported here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4657 -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Naked people have little or no influence in society. - Mark Twain Using V 3.5 on Windows XP Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug Report: /importf=The Bat!
Hallo Bill, On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:23:30 -0500GMT (24-10-2004, 0:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: BM Perhaps there should be a %FullFolderName macro? IIRC that has been asked before, don't know whether it's on the wish list or not. Dunno whether it's on the wish list, I certainly agree that it would be a useful feature. -- Groetjes, Roelof Wizard's Guild Parking Only:Violators will be Toad. The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpfJjG2ftcNX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug? Failure of Macros to Expand
On Thu 21-Oct-04 7:16pm -0400, Peter Ouwehand wrote: I assume that was meant to be 'Run external action'. Comments in that pop-up clearly state its possible to use macros to pass message properties as parameters. Yes. A work-a-round was posted in TBBETA. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Bill The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Pro - BayesIt! 0.7.3 - XP Pro SP2 - POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: TB 2.12.03: CC hanging, not releasing dialup connection
Hello TBUDL, on Thu, 2. Sep 2004 at 19:58:19 +0200 I wrote: *update* screenshot converted to 2 colors because of file size. let me see you stripped.. :/ -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] jEdit, for software development (http://www.jedit.org) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: TB keeps asking to set as default mailer on XP non-admin account
dAniel hAhler @ 2004-Aug-30 7:26:19 PM bug: TB keeps asking to set as default mailer on XP non-admin account mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] after giving the users on this computer user-only permissions and re-installing the Office XP suite again the default E-Mail client was Outlook (forgot to disable that component). Now TB asks with every program start if it should be set as the user's default email program and I always say Yes, but it keeps asking. SNIP I could give permissions for those keys, but they are system-wide anyway and not user-related, AFAICS. Yes, they are system wide, but the define the default mail client for the system. Log-in as an administrator and run The Bat! to have it set itself as the default client. I changed the default E-Mail application to The Bat in the properties of the start menu (show in start menu), but that does not seem to matter. That changes the local default mail client not the global one. The Bat! is trying to set the global one. Already bugtracked? This is not really a bug on The Bat!'s part; it's more or a permission error. However, I hesitate to use error. Permissions are setup correctly... Perhaps side effect is a better term? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing. pgp2oVtkvbBRg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: AV
On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 12:39:00 PM, dAniel wrote: dh Hello TBUDL, dh after startup.. dh --- dh The Bat! dh --- dh Access violation at address 004043DE in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . dh --- dh OK dh --- I also get this occasionally. I had previously posted a message about it but never received a reply. The error doesn't seem to crash TB! however. I simply acknowledge the error and TB! continues to get my mail with no problem. And, again, this error doesn't occur every time. For me, it seems to occur about 10% of the time. -- Thanks, Rick This is like deja vu all over again. - Yogi Berra :flag-usa: Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: AV
Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 18. Aug 2004 at 14:14:42 -0400 Rick Friedman wrote: dh Access violation at address 004043DE in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . I also get this occasionally. on the same address(es)? -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] PowerPro (http://www.windowspowerpro.com) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug Reporting
Dear Joseph, @21-Jul-2004, 00:06 + (21-Jul 01:06 UK time) Joseph N. said: What's the address for reporting bugs? The BugTraq system. Please read the TBUDLinfo page for more information. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12.1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0v05e8I2Rz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug?: TB! truncating lines exceeding 1010 characters (was: Re: Character Line Limit)
--- Original Message From: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 04:34AM PDT Hi Allie, AM I can't duplicate this problem. I just sent myself a test message that AM was a single line of text with 4231 characters. Not a character lost. AM Maybe it's a server problem? I did some experimenting, and neither can I. The only thing I have noticed in the pattern is that all of the originating e-mails come from Hotmail. I guess perhaps they use some pattern to trigger something, but I can't figure out what it is. I even tried sending some mails from a Hotmail account and couldn't duplicate it. Thanks for your help. -- -MikeD Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug report - Runtime error when starting TB ver 2.11.x
TF The error message does not mean TB, it means one of TF the plugins. I guess BayesIt. Many people have TF reported erroneous behaviour with this plugin. I wish TF it weren't included in the distro. Uninstall BayesIt TF from your TB, And in case I need to do that, just how does one uninstall BayesIt? -- Eric Using TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug report - Runtime error when starting TB ver 2.11.x
Hello Eric, On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:11:05 +0100 GMT (12/06/2004, 19:11 +0700 GMT), Eric wrote: E And in case I need to do that, just how does one uninstall E BayesIt? Options / Preferences / PlugIns. You can delete it there. I understand you have to close and reopen TB afterwards. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Q: How many programmers dose it take to change a lightbulb? A: None...that's a hardware issue. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug report - Runtime error when starting TB ver 2.11.x
Hello SL, On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:20:32 +1000 GMT (12/06/2004, 05:20 +0700 GMT), SL wrote: S Questions and comments: S 1. I have no idea what runtime or runtime error messages (from S 'Microsoft Virtual C++ Library) mean. Runtime error means an error ocurred while the program was running (as popposed to syntax error, which will be found when compiling). TB is written in Delphi, not C++. The error message does not mean TB, it means one of the plugins. I guess BayesIt. Many people have reported erroneous behaviour with this plugin. I wish it weren't included in the distro. Uninstall BayesIt from your TB, restart, and watch whether you still get runtime errors. If so, it was one of the other plugins. S 2. I just noticed that when you send a bug report to Ritlabs, a copy S dose not automatically go to your 'sent' folder. If you want bug reports to reach Ritlabs, you'd better use the bugtracker: www.ritlabs.com/bt/ But they don't write the plugins, so they can't help you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Was ist ein Optimist ? - Jemand der das eine Fernsehprogramm langweilig findet und auf das andere umschaltet! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello dAniel, The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello TBUDL, on Sat, 5. Jun 2004 at 20:54:08 +0200 MAU wrote: The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? I tried that using 'esc' before, but with Folder-Refresh now it works. After doing so, it now also refreshed automatically correctly (at least once). Perhaps that fixed it. Thanks. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Lifted with The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Random software tip: [***] Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:54:08 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:54 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. M Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? I just did that, and the VF seems to work correctly now. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. From page 468 of Using Turbo C++ by Herbert Schildt: REMEMBER: The private parts of an object are accessible only by functions that are members of that object. (Well, there goes free love...) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug pressure?
Quoting Allister Jenks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello TBUDLers, Are there that many bugs that it takes two months to even get to this one? I have been in Software QA for over 25 years. I just want to say that a bug like you posted looks a great deal like a problem with your computer. I run Windows XP, and a format and reinstall every six months. One reason is that I have worked in software QA at Microsoft and their software is very unstable. Every six months, I back up my data, reformat and reinstall. It keeps windows stable and fast. So, when was the last time you reinstalled windows? Michael This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug pressure?
Saturday, May 29, 2004, 3:54:38 AM, michael wrote: I have been in Software QA for over 25 years. I just want to say that a bug like you posted looks a great deal like a problem with your computer. I totally agree that's what it could be. My point was that pretty much nothing had been said in the BugTracker. If it sounds to the folks at RIT like a Windows problem, they are quite at liberty to say so. I'm not professionally in software QA, but I have been in development and development/QA support for almost 17 years (so call me a newbie) and I am well aware of the nature of bugs and 'features' of software. For one thing, I know it is important to gather as much information as you resonably can before trying to track down the cause of a problem... snip So, when was the last time you reinstalled windows? ...like, for instance, reading all the attached bugnotes. One of these says I reinstalled XP on 18th May. ;-) Such a shame that TB! doesn't run on OS/400. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Mon, 29. Mar 2004 at 09:05:57 +0200 Roelof Otten wrote: DH what do you have there? DH (HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! message file\shell\open\command) C:\PROGRAM FILES\THE BAT!\THEBAT.EXE /nologo /o:%1 I have that there, too. And opening .msg/.vcf files does actually work. And even changing my HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command to D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe %1 (from the above), opens files either with the default handler (after tb pops up for a short time) or nothing happens (eg for files with no extension). BUT when TB is not running and I open a file with it, it gets appended!! and if it has a default handler, it will be executed with that, too. Just tested it with a .py file: TB creates a new message (it was shutdown before) and the script gets executed. So, that's weird.. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Mon, 29. Mar 2004 at 20:35:50 +0100 Martin Webster wrote: [..] What has all this got to do with the problem in hand? Debuggin'.. :) This is the first time you've mentioned vCards and other legitimate file associations. And don't be so quick deleting those registry entries! :-) They have being restored. When deleting I always create beackups, that's for sure. Have you tried changing the registry entry to match what Roelof and I have? Roelf has nothing in HKCR and also /nologo /o: with the legitimate associations, like me. Also, what happens when you use the Send To Mail Recipient shell extension? Does TB! hang? No. It's called E-Mail-Empfänger (email recipient) here, which is a MAPIMAIL file. This creates a new mail and appends the file, as it should be. But TB does not execute a mail template in this case, but gives a silly subject write email to: thebat.exe and the body says The files were attached and can now be send with this message (both translated from German). I guess, this is something Windows puts in when it calls TB!? Then I realised that I do not have the standard The Bat! in my SendTo folder anymore and I was quite sure, that some registry setting in HKCU\Software\RIT was remembering that it had setup one, but actually I cannot find that registry key anymore. Do you have something like that in yours? And I could not find a Install SendTo button in the Preferences.. but just putting a .lnk file in the SendTo folder resolves that for me.. ;) Fiddling around with all these association stuff I noticed another strange thing: If I uncheck all associations in Preferences -- Applications and click on Associate Now TB says: --- The Bat! --- OK to set associations? Previous associations can be restored by clearing checkboxes and clicking this button again --- Ja Nein --- That's bad design and definitely a bug (confirmations?). But it un-associates the extensions, except mailto:, which is checked the next time I open Preferences. Probably because I never set another mailto-handler, though I'm pretty sure that OE would have set itself to that. Perhaps your best option is to reinstall TB! I don't think that would help much. In fact, I only have the problem that files (except .msg, .vcf and .eml) opened with TB will not be handled properly. But I never did this before and do not plan to do it again and so everything is fine. Just wanted to make a note and best would be the devs would take a look into that, but I guess it's simply another not important bug.. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: QT manager gets lost if you close edit mail msg window where you pressed ctrl-shift-Q
Hello bats, on Mon, 1. Mar 2004 at 03:57:00 +0100 I wrote: To reproduce: - open edit mail message window - press ctrl-shift-q - close the edit mail message window (QT manager will also disappear) - press ctrl-shift-q (TB main window will flash, but no QT manager) got an ID: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002722 -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sun, 28. Mar 2004 at 11:40:01 +0100 Martin Webster wrote: DH Not with me. Also not with 2.04.07. I think this is down to the way you've got XP handling files. I think it's because the Open command includes the /o: before the filename (%1). DH It's regardless of size, but does only hang if there is no DH default handler for that file type in Windows defined. Then DH thebat pops up for a very short time and the default app gets the DH file. Just tested it for a php file again. Not sure what you're trying to do here. You should use the Send to shell command instead. Sure, but I recognised it, when trying to open a .tbb file with thebat. Files that don't have a default handler registered are like that for a reason. php files don't have a default handler because your web server deals with them. However, you could assign your editor as the default handler. I have JEdit associated with my PHP files. As for tbb files it makes no sense to assign a default handler. But I tried that. Still not a bug. :-) But I sure we'll sort it. Hopefully. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sun, 28. Mar 2004 at 11:32:35 +0100 Martin Webster wrote: DH What do you (and Martin) have in DH HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? DH With me its D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe /nologo /o:%1 and I DH wonder what that /o switch is.. C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe %1 That's what should be there, I think. Wonder why I got the additional /o: However, I doubt that this entry even existed before I checked things for you. Could be. Do you have HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! vCard file\shell\open\command set? It's with '/o:' for me, too. Same with HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! message file\shell\open\command. I think that the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe entry could be derived from that, if it wasn't created by the installation. With HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\mailto\shell\open\command it's D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe %1, btw. DH Might this be the culprit or is it the same for you? I think it's likely that something has gone awry with your Windows configuration. I'm sure it's nothing to do with TB! All the necessary registry entries are in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT. The software settings, jep. But not the settings for launching files with the program. Do you run a registry cleaner from time to time? Sure I had, but I know what I can throw out/change and what I do not know I'll leave alone. The above problem seems to be not related to that. Searching thebat.exe (beta12 and 2.04.7) shows that there are entries for /nologo /o:. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sun, 28. Mar 2004 at 11:32:35 +0100 Martin Webster wrote: DH What do you (and Martin) have in DH HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? DH With me its D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe /nologo /o:%1 and I DH wonder what that /o switch is.. C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe %1 However, I doubt that this entry even existed before I checked things for you. I just deleted the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! vCard file and the one for the message files (those are used for .vcf and .msg extensions). Started tb, which did not complain about missing associations, but after explicitly setting it in Preferences -- Applications the command for these classes shows up as D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe /nologo /o:%1 again. I guess that you and Roelof do not have the nologo /o:%1 part there either, as this is what will be put into HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe, when you open a file (even a .VCF by going through the Open With.. context menu - which defaults to The Bat for the .VCF, of course). btw: I use and recommend Regseeker for Find in registry or suggestions for cleaning up. You can get it in the free programs section at www.hoverdesk.net. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hallo dAniel, On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:37:44 +0200GMT (28-3-04, 3:37 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DH What do you (and Martin) have in DH HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? I don't have such a key. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sun, 28. Mar 2004 at 23:16:45 +0200 Roelof Otten wrote: DH What do you (and Martin) have in DH HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? I don't have such a key. It will be created when using Open with to open a file with TB. I suppose this will be derived from the settings for the VCF- and Messagefile-classes. what do you have there? (HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! message file\shell\open\command) -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hallo dAniel, On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:49:13 +0200GMT (28-3-04, 23:49 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DH What do you (and Martin) have in DH HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? I don't have such a key. DH It will be created when using Open with to open a file with TB. No, it won't. Because I've done that and I didn't get such a key, maybe that's a difference between W98 and XP. DH I suppose this will be derived from the settings for the VCF- and DH Messagefile-classes. DH what do you have there? DH (HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\The Bat! message file\shell\open\command) C:\PROGRAM FILES\THE BAT!\THEBAT.EXE /nologo /o:%1 -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hallo dAniel, On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:31:09 +0100GMT (27-3-04, 23:31 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DH I just tried opening a .TBB file with thebat (from Window's Open With DH IMO should simply say Unknown filetype when it's opened with a file DH and does not know how to handle it. Another option would be to create DH a new mail and attach the file.. Tried it over here, with TB 2.04.07, not with the beta you're using, under Win98. TB created a new message with the .TBB file attached. Somehow that was what I expected. It took some time though, as the .TBB file was 83 MB, how big was yours? My test was with a file not in a folder that I'd opened at the moment. I'll try that right now Doesn't matter, my tbudl folder is only 24 MB big, therefore it took less time to attach the .tbb BTW You can see your deleted messages by selecting a folder and in the menu: Folder - Browse deleted messages Wile doing that, you can undelete those messages eith the 'Delete' button -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sat, 27. Mar 2004 at 23:31:53 + Martin Webster wrote: DH IMO should simply say Unknown filetype when it's opened with a file DH and does not know how to handle it. But Windows deals with the unknown file type. I guess you've gone on and selected a program from the list presented by Windows. yep. DH Another option would be to create a new mail and attach the file. Nonetheless, it should (and does) create a message with the file attached. Not with me. Also not with 2.04.07. DH Nevertheless it should definitely not hang. Perhaps it was a large file you tried to attach? No. It's regardless of size, but does only hang if there is no default handler for that file type in Windows defined. Then thebat pops up for a very short time and the default app gets the file. Just tested it for a php file again. DH what do you think? Not a bug. :-) Not on your side, and probably all the others. But here it is.. :) -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: Opening a file with TB!
Hello bats, on Sun, 28. Mar 2004 at 00:36:17 +0100 Roelof Otten wrote: Tried it over here, with TB 2.04.07, not with the beta you're using, under Win98. TB created a new message with the .TBB file attached. I also tried it with 2.04.07 before, the same result. I now tried calling thebat.exe from cmd.exe with a file as parameter. This time nothing happened at all. I closed thebat, started it from commandline with a filename as parameter and it created a msg with attachment. Woohoo.. it now even works with a running TB instance from commandline. But Open With still does not. What do you (and Martin) have in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\thebat.exe\shell\open\command ? With me its D:\Programme\thebat\thebat.exe /nologo /o:%1 and I wonder what that /o switch is.. Might this be the culprit or is it the same for you? BTW You can see your deleted messages by selecting a folder and in the menu: Folder - Browse deleted messages Wile doing that, you can undelete those messages eith the 'Delete' button Great! Thanks. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:04:54 +0100 GMT (07/03/2004, 22:04 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: It is not a bug, you tell TB to act the way it does. Solution: Take the tickmark off. No it does not. I tell him to use LAN for this special hamster-account. For all others it should use no special network settings, ergo: Dialup. Allie and I had an off-list discussion about this thread. Apparently, my paradigm was a bit limited: I interpreted a LAN connection as an internet connection via LAN. TB can only handle one internet connection at the time, so that when it believes a LAN connection has been established, it won't dial out for the other accounts. It appears that is not the setup in question: The hamster is on another computer on the same LAN, and there is no reason to establish an internet connection to check mail from there. Taking the tickmark off won't help you with this, I admit. So, when there are messages to be sent on any account that does not use LAN, the connection has to be established first. That's the bug. TB thinks it can send out the messages on all accounts, when there is just one (independant) account with LAN network settings and fails, of course. Yes. The work-around would be to take set Ignore check for all in that account, so the dial-up will kick in for the others. Is your bug that TB doesn't dial out when a LAN connection is established, or that you don't see an error in the log for sent failed? TB should simply not try to SEND mail for dialup accounts before the appropriate connection is up. Here is a technical question I don't know the answer to: If a LAN connection is established, would TB be able to know whether this extends into the internet? If not, it would and should try to send the messages through the LAN. Of course, there should be an error message when this failed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Es wird immer komplizierter einfach zu leben. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Mon, 8. Mar 2004 at 22:03:43 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TB can only handle one internet connection at the time, so that when it believes a LAN connection has been established, it won't dial out for the other accounts. but that would mean that also the FETCH tasks for dialup accounts would fail/be terminated. It appears that is not the setup in question: The hamster is on another computer on the same LAN, and there is no reason to establish an internet connection to check mail from there. Taking the tickmark off won't help you with this, I admit. It's even on the same computer, and taking the tickmark off helps - to work around the bug... Yes. The work-around would be to take set Ignore check for all in that account, so the dial-up will kick in for the others. ...or this way - but it would mean to check the account for itself on a regular basis. And dialup will kick in nevertheless for the other accounts, but the SEND tasks won't wait for it. Is your bug that TB doesn't dial out when a LAN connection is established, or that you don't see an error in the log for sent failed? Sent failed is the error. It dials out indeed and gets mail for all accounts, but the SEND is emerges too early (when there is a LAN setting account in check-all-stack). TB should simply not try to SEND mail for dialup accounts before the appropriate connection is up. Here is a technical question I don't know the answer to: If a LAN connection is established, would TB be able to know whether this extends into the internet? If not, it would and should try to send the messages through the LAN. Of course, there should be an error message when this failed. No, it should not send messages through LAN for an account that's dialup. And if it would do so for speed issues it would have to check if the smtp server address is reachable. If not, wait for dialup connection. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:56:06 +0100 GMT (08/03/2004, 22:56 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: It appears that is not the setup in question: The hamster is on another computer on the same LAN, and there is no reason to establish an internet connection to check mail from there. Taking the tickmark off won't help you with this, I admit. It's even on the same computer, and taking the tickmark off helps - to work around the bug... I don't quite understand the reason for your unusual setup. Care to explain? Yes. The work-around would be to take set Ignore check for all in that account, so the dial-up will kick in for the others. ...or this way - but it would mean to check the account for itself on a regular basis. And dialup will kick in nevertheless for the other accounts, but the SEND tasks won't wait for it. The send tasks over here wait for the dial-up. I think if you do take the tickmark off, the same would happen at your end. Anyway, that's not your point. One question: The POP-checking of the non-LAN accounts poses no problem. Is it because they don't try to check or because they report an error? In any case, it is weird that checking and sending behave differently. Is your bug that TB doesn't dial out when a LAN connection is established, or that you don't see an error in the log for sent failed? Sent failed is the error. It dials out indeed and gets mail for all accounts, but the SEND is emerges too early (when there is a LAN setting account in check-all-stack). So the bug is not reporting the error. But you you want is that it behaves the same way the checking behaves, right? I would agree to that. No, it should not send messages through LAN for an account that's dialup. I am grateful it does. My dial-up connection sometimes breaks. Then I dial in to another ISP with a DUN-icon on my desktop, and lo and behold, TB connects great to the POP and SMTP servers. Even though LAN or manual connection would have to be set. I would hate it if I had to switch that every time. And if it would do so for speed issues it would have to check if the smtp server address is reachable. If not, wait for dialup connection. Either use the dial-up, or at least report an error. I agree with that. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich Sie jetzt um Sex bitten wuerde - waere Ihre Antwort die gleiche, die Sie auf diese Frage geben? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sun, 7. Mar 2004 at 13:36:09 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: So the bug does not happen on your system and your local mailserver (if you have any) will be checked only after dialup is up. It doesn't happen, because it is not a bug and I have no tickmark. but the server will be checked only after dialup is on, though TB could check it before (because its on ysour loopback interface). I removed the special network settings for the hamster-account and it works of course like before (apart from that it takes longer until the account gets checked) and stops the bug bugging me, but of course the bug itself is still there. It is not a bug, you tell TB to act the way it does. Solution: Take the tickmark off. No it does not. I tell him to use LAN for this special hamster-account. For all others it should use no special network settings, ergo: Dialup. So, when there are messages to be sent on any account that does not use LAN, the connection has to be established first. That's the bug. TB thinks it can send out the messages on all accounts, when there is just one (independant) account with LAN network settings and fails, of course. TB should simply not try to SEND mail for dialup accounts before the appropriate connection is up. It won't if you take the tickmark off. Correct, but that's a workaround! Hope you understand now, what I mean. Just showing off a bug.. :) It's not a bug. Here is the secret solution: Take the tickmark off. ..to work around the bug, yes. Have I made my point clear now? I don't think it is that difficult to understand, but I thought I already pointed you into the right direction 3 postings ago. seconded.. ;) -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Daniel Hahler, [DH] wrote: DH If I now put a mail in my main (not hamster-local) account's DH outbox and press alt-f2 or f11 to check all accounts for mail the DH connection center comes up like in tb-cc1.jpg (see on BT: FETCH DH for all accounts, SEND for the one with mail), but after a tenth DH of a second the SEND and hamster-local tasks are removed from DH queue and I get an error for the sending account: !05.03.2004, DH 20:40:10: SEND - Could not connect to the server DH This happens even before the modem hooked up the line. I just wish to clear one thing up with you. If you have no message queued for sending, does a check all accounts operation occur without error, i.e., does the hamster-local account quickly check Hamster while the other accounts wait until a dialup connection is established before checking? -- -= Allie Martin =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sun, 7. Mar 2004 at 10:31:51 -0500 Allie Martin wrote: I just wish to clear one thing up with you. If you have no message queued for sending, does a check all accounts operation occur without error, i.e., does the hamster-local account quickly check Hamster while the other accounts wait until a dialup connection is established before checking? Yup, exactly. Special network settings (LAN) for hamster-local: - immediate checking of hamster-local-account - BUT: failure of queued sending mail on all other (dialup) accounts No special network settings for hamster-local (tickmark off): - no failure of queued SEND on other accounts - (but checking of hamster-local will wait for dialup connection, of course) -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Daniel Hahler, [DH] wrote: DH Yup, exactly. Well, in that case I have to agree with you that what you're experiencing is buggy behaviour. DH Special network settings (LAN) for hamster-local: DH - immediate checking of hamster-local-account DH - BUT: failure of queued sending mail on all other (dialup) accounts DH No special network settings for hamster-local (tickmark off): DH - no failure of queued SEND on other accounts DH - (but checking of hamster-local will wait for dialup connection, of DH course) Your setup is rather unusual in that most who run their own mailserver will just do everthing with it, i.e., collect all mail with it and then let TB! collect mail from it. We'll also use it for mail deliveries too. -- -= Allie Martin =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sun, 7. Mar 2004 at 13:29:11 -0500 Allie Martin wrote: DH Yup, exactly. Well, in that case I have to agree with you that what you're experiencing is buggy behaviour. Puh, I'm relieved.. :) Your setup is rather unusual in that most who run their own mailserver will just do everthing with it, i.e., collect all mail with it and then let TB! collect mail from it. We'll also use it for mail deliveries too. Sure. But I just have Hamster here for testing and playing, not for using it (yet). So it's no problem to ignore check-all-requests for it, but it confused me when I noticed the bug and wanted to report it. I'm glad someone finally understands the problem. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF MS eMail CallerID scheme (was Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account)
On Sunday, March 7, 2004, 2:00 PM, you wrote: GS Somewhat related is the new initiatives to validate servers. These take GS the form of SPF (Sender Policy Framework see http://spf.pobox.com) GS Microsoft's patented eMail CallerID scheme. GS How do you think these new initiatives will effect those who run their GS own email servers /or those who use their ISP to send mail for their GS owned domains. I don't know the answer, but I sure am interested! I already have to use my ISPs SMTP server to send out mail to certain GROUPS...AOL... even my people at work who have their own setup. For most mail I use Mercury32, but AOL requires me to use my ISPs servers. I HATE IT! and sometimes I forget, and just reply to mail, and then I get the wonderful BOUNCE message.. ARG -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Mar2004 (4.1.357) (avast! version number) 0403-2 (05.03.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.357 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF MS eMail CallerID scheme (was Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account)
Dear Greg, On 20:00 07.03.2004, you [Greg Strong] wrote... How do you think these new initiatives will effect those who run their own email servers /or those who use their ISP to send mail for their owned domains. It (SPF) will affect you if you send mails using your own server, but with the identity from your provider. Quick example for America Online: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host -t TXT aol.com aol.com TXT v=spf1 ip4:152.163.225.0/24 ip4:205.188.139.0/24 ip4:205.188.144.0/24 ip4:205.188.156.0/24 ip4:205.188.157.0/24 ip4:205.188.159.0/24 ip4:64.12.136.0/24 ip4:64.12.137.0/24 ip4:64.12.138.0/24 ptr:mx.aol.com ?all Currently, aol hasn't enforced strict checks (?all), but as soon as they switch (-all), only these listed IP, respective servers behind them, will officially be allowed to use a senders address ending with @aol.com. Now suppose you have an aol.com account, but send using your own mail server, your mail would be rejected as spam. AOL, like all supporters of SPF, offers an SMTP AUTH server that you can use to submit your mails (smtp.de.aol.com/smtp.cs.com); this works with The Bat as well. If you're using your own domain, you need to enter the allowed mail servers, for example your ISPs mail server or any mail server you use to send your mails, into your DNS TXT records. There's a good wizard at http://spf.pobox.com/wizard.html, it might help you for this setup. HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you will look forward to the trip. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:51:43 +0100 GMT (06/03/2004, 11:51 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: The account hamster-local has alternative network settings (Local Area Network or manual connection). All other accounts use the same dial-up connection. Where do you set this? Over here, it can be set once and is valid for all acounts: Options / NetworkAdmin / Network. Not on a per-account basis. see Account - Properties - Network. Take the tickmark off Use specific The server in tb is localhost and I thought Hamster was running, but it wasn't. OK, then TB couldn't connect to it, everything is clear. But nevertheless, if TB fails to connect to my server at localhost it shouldn't abort sending on another account! You didn't mention that it does. Does it? If so, I cannot confirm that behaviour. Over here, when TB fails to connect to localhost in one account, the other accounts are not effected. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Every time a person turns on the television to see the news, he instantly sees what he wants and what concerns him. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sat, 6. Mar 2004 at 16:48:57 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: The account hamster-local has alternative network settings (Local Area Network or manual connection). All other accounts use the same dial-up connection. Where do you set this? Over here, it can be set once and is valid for all acounts: Options / NetworkAdmin / Network. Not on a per-account basis. see Account - Properties - Network. Take the tickmark off Use specific That would help of course and I could of course set it to use the dialup connection, too - like all the other accounts. But it is a bug that has to get fixed. The server in tb is localhost and I thought Hamster was running, but it wasn't. OK, then TB couldn't connect to it, everything is clear. I started it now, but as I expected, the behaviour is the same. TB checks for mail at localhost and when finished tries to SEND for the main account, but without established dialup connection this fails! s is true for all sending tasks on any account here, regardless of deferred/immediate sending. But nevertheless, if TB fails to connect to my server at localhost it shouldn't abort sending on another account! You didn't mention that it does. Does it? Of course. That's the bug! see subject. If so, I cannot confirm that behaviour. Over here, when TB fails to connect to localhost in one account, the other accounts are not effected. But I suspect your localhost account hasn't LAN network settings activated. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:48:30 +0100 GMT (07/03/2004, 00:48 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: Take the tickmark off Use specific That would help of course and I could of course set it to use the dialup connection, too - like all the other accounts. But it is a bug that has to get fixed. I dopn't yet agree that it is a bug. Take the tickmark off and see whether there is improvement. The server in tb is localhost and I thought Hamster was running, but it wasn't. OK, then TB couldn't connect to it, everything is clear. I started it now, but as I expected, the behaviour is the same. TB checks for mail at localhost and when finished tries to SEND for the main account, but without established dialup connection this fails! So there is no connection at all. If you take the above-mentioned tickmark off, then only the main modul will try to dial out. If the hamster-account is set to dial out and the main setting says the same, there is likely to be an interference on OS-level. s is true for all sending tasks on any account here, regardless of deferred/immediate sending. Makes sense. But nevertheless, if TB fails to connect to my server at localhost it shouldn't abort sending on another account! You didn't mention that it does. Does it? Of course. That's the bug! see subject. No. When I wrote the above, I thought a dial-up connection had already been established. If so, I cannot confirm that behaviour. Over here, when TB fails to connect to localhost in one account, the other accounts are not effected. But I suspect your localhost account hasn't LAN network settings activated. No. There is no tickmark at Use account-specific..., so I have no settings available at all. The main setting in TB is for dial-up, and all accounts follow that lead, rather than have their own settings. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Beer tasteless, front of your shirt is wet. FAULT: Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face. ACTION: Retire to restroom, practice in mirror. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sun, 7. Mar 2004 at 01:41:42 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: So there is no connection at all. If you take the above-mentioned tickmark off, then only the main modul will try to dial out. If the hamster-account is set to dial out and the main setting says the same, there is likely to be an interference on OS-level. The hamster-account is set to LAN, not to a special connection. Because of this the account will be checked immediately, but it also causes the dialup SEND tasks to be done immediately, whivch fails of course. But I suspect your localhost account hasn't LAN network settings activated. No. There is no tickmark at Use account-specific..., so I have no settings available at all. The main setting in TB is for dial-up, and all accounts follow that lead, rather than have their own settings. So the bug does not happen on your system and your local mailserver (if you have any) will be checked only after dialup is up. I think, you don't understand, what I'm targeting: if there is an account set to LAN, rather than dialup (which all others are, simply because they don't use account specific Network settings) TB will try to immediately send on all accounts, without waiting for an established dialup connection. I removed the special network settings for the hamster-account and it works of course like before (apart from that it takes longer until the account gets checked) and stops the bug bugging me, but of course the bug itself is still there. TB should simply not try to SEND mail for dialup accounts before the appropriate connection is up. Hope you understand now, what I mean. Just showing off a bug.. :) -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 01:13:19 +0100 GMT (07/03/2004, 07:13 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: The hamster-account is set to LAN, not to a special connection. I repeat for the third time: Take the tickmark off and your problem will go away. Because of this the account will be checked immediately, but it also causes the dialup SEND tasks to be done immediately, whivch fails of course. Yes, that's why you want to take the tickmark off. So the bug does not happen on your system and your local mailserver (if you have any) will be checked only after dialup is up. It doesn't happen, because it is not a bug and I have no tickmark. I think, you don't understand, what I'm targeting: if there is an account set to LAN, rather than dialup (which all others are, simply because they don't use account specific Network settings) TB will try to immediately send on all accounts, without waiting for an established dialup connection. Correct. That is why you want to take the tickmark off. I removed the special network settings for the hamster-account and it works of course like before (apart from that it takes longer until the account gets checked) and stops the bug bugging me, but of course the bug itself is still there. It is not a bug, you tell TB to act the way it does. Solution: Take the tickmark off. TB should simply not try to SEND mail for dialup accounts before the appropriate connection is up. It won't if you take the tickmark off. Hope you understand now, what I mean. Just showing off a bug.. :) It's not a bug. Here is the secret solution: Take the tickmark off. Have I made my point clear now? I don't think it is that difficult to understand, but I thought I already pointed you into the right direction 3 postings ago. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a restaurant: Courteous and efficient self-service. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello dAniel, On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:00:09 +0100 GMT (06/03/2004, 03:00 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: The account hamster-local has alternative network settings (Local Area Network or manual connection). All other accounts use the same dial-up connection. Where do you set this? Over here, it can be set once and is valid for all acounts: Options / NetworkAdmin / Network. Not on a per-account basis. If I now put a mail in my main (not hamster-local) account's outbox and press alt-f2 or f11 to check all accounts for mail the connection center comes up like in tb-cc1.jpg (see on BT: FETCH for all accounts, SEND for the one with mail), but after a tenth of a second the SEND and hamster-local tasks are removed from queue and I get an error for the sending account: !05.03.2004, 20:40:10: SEND - Could not connect to the server The server in TB should be localhost, and if TB cannot connect to that, you have to check whether you have set the same port in hamster and TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If you lived in you car, you'd be home in no time. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: Having an account with LAN network settings in Check All stack causes failure of SEND for Dial-Up account
Hello bats, on Sat, 6. Mar 2004 at 09:47:23 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: The account hamster-local has alternative network settings (Local Area Network or manual connection). All other accounts use the same dial-up connection. Where do you set this? Over here, it can be set once and is valid for all acounts: Options / NetworkAdmin / Network. Not on a per-account basis. see Account - Properties - Network. If I now put a mail in my main (not hamster-local) account's outbox and press alt-f2 or f11 to check all accounts for mail the connection center comes up like in tb-cc1.jpg (see on BT: FETCH for all accounts, SEND for the one with mail), but after a tenth of a second the SEND and hamster-local tasks are removed from queue and I get an error for the sending account: !05.03.2004, 20:40:10: SEND - Could not connect to the server The server in TB should be localhost, and if TB cannot connect to that, you have to check whether you have set the same port in hamster and TB. The server in tb is localhost and I thought Hamster was running, but it wasn't. But nevertheless, if TB fails to connect to my server at localhost it shouldn't abort sending on another account! -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Mar2004 (4.1.357). Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: QT manager gets lost if you close edit mail msg window where you pressed ctrl-shift-Q
Hello dAniel, on Sunday, February 29, 2004, 9:57:00 PM, dAniel hAhler wrote: To reproduce: - open edit mail message window - press ctrl-shift-q - close the edit mail message window (QT manager will also disappear) - press ctrl-shift-q (TB main window will flash, but no QT manager) Confirmed under Windows XP with Version 2.04.4. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: QT manager gets lost if you close edit mail msg window where you pressed ctrl-shift-Q
On Mon 1 March 2004, 13:57:00 +1000, Daniel Hahler wrote: Hello bats, To reproduce: - open edit mail message window - press ctrl-shift-q - close the edit mail message window (QT manager will also disappear) - press ctrl-shift-q (TB main window will flash, but no QT manager) Confirmed -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: OTime/ODate for new messages set to current date?
Hallo dAniel, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:58:20 +0100GMT (23-2-04, 14:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: dh The help says that these macros are used for replies/forwards and dh therefor should be empty for new mails.. You might consider it a bug, but maybe it has something to do with the underlying data model that the TB developers are using, so it might not easily be remedied. Apart from that, eg it's rather silly to use a macro that's intended for replies and forwards in a new message template and then start complaining that it doesn't act as you interpreted the help file concerning the way way it might act. (Note that the help file doesn't mention them being empty in a new message template.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: OTime/ODate for new messages set to current date?
Hello Roelof, on Mon, 23. Feb 2004 at 16:11:56 +0100 you wrote: R Apart from that, eg it's rather silly to use a macro that's intended R for replies and forwards in a new message template and then start R complaining that it doesn't act as you interpreted the help file R concerning the way way it might act. I wanted to use it in a QT to test if I'm replying/forwarding or not.. :) I use %ofromaddr now instead. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: hanging connection center on dialup: Dialling forever, when RAS is already dialling
Hello dAniel, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:08:48 +0100 GMT (23/02/2004, 21:08 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: I use dialup with automatic disconnect. The problem is, when I'm already about to establish a RAS connection outside from TB and the connection centers starts before the computer is connected to the internet service provider the CC dialup status will be Dialling forever (at least quite long, before I kill it). I had this happen (but didn't try with the current version). TB should recognize, that the connection is already dialling and wait for the connect. It may be a Windows problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Opposite wall covered with fluorescent lights. FAULT: You have fallen over backward. ACTION: Have yourself lashed to bar. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
