Re: Messed up replies to Outlook messages
Hello jwayne, You wrote on 2004.01.25., 4:23: jwayne TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an jwayne Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user. Please confirm it on bugtracker: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002366 -- Cheers, SyP Being only human is the excuse people give when they are about to behave like animals. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard shortcuts
Delurking to ask: Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't appear in the Shortcuts Editor? I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose the folder manually), also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
Hallo Deborah, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:35:09 +GMT (25-1-04, 10:35 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DW Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't DW appear in the Shortcuts Editor? In case it's a filter action you can assign the filter a hotkey. DW I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to DW a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose the DW folder manually), So this is possible. DW also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go DW through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). Dunno, my version doesn't support view modes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
Hello Deborah, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:35:09 + GMT (25/01/2004, 16:35 +0700 GMT), Deborah W wrote: Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't appear in the Shortcuts Editor? Good question... I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose the folder manually), F12 doesn't do anything here. However, what you want to do is create a catch-all filter (for example testing for presence of @ in kludges), make it manual, and assign a hotkey to that filter. also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). Why do you need to change the view? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wer fuer alles offen ist, kann nicht ganz dicht sein. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:23:30 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO In case it's a filter action you can assign the filter a hotkey. DW I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages DW to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 then choose DW the folder manually), RO So this is possible. Hmmm...not really. I keep one folder for all personal correspondence, but my personal correspondence come in on various accounts, so I read it by account, then do the F12-choose-the-folder thing. But there's no common feature that I could filter on :-/ -- Deborah Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:25:59 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF F12 doesn't do anything here. Really? It must be one of my own keyboard shortcuts then. TF However, what you want to do is create a catch-all filter (for TF example testing for presence of @ in kludges), make it manual, and TF assign a hotkey to that filter. Won't that filter the whole folder though? I only need to move one message at a time. also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties). TF Why do you need to change the view? Sometimes I want to see, for example, the memo field in the message list; sometimes I don't. I have about three views that I use regularly, the ability to save a bunch of settings together as a Folder View is very nice - but I'm demanding, would like to be able to activate it with one click ;-) -- Deborah Christianity will be the ruin of America. - Thomas Jefferson Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hi MAU, Friday, January 23, 2004, 9:51:45 AM, you wrote: Hello Richard, I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring threads which you are not interested in? :-) See http://www.rancho-k.com/ Ok, I have Power-Pro running at work and used to use Stiletto, I might try that. Your reply folders -- do you just drag messages into the 10 day one or is that automated also? Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and spam
Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote: ST Yea, and deleted and re-added several times. I've also deleted all ST folders from the server and started over a couple of times - just as ST a part of the learning process. ST I still get access violations from time to time - no rhyme or reason ST that I can see at this point. Yeah. Those still tend to occur when deleting and creating folders using the Manage IMAP folders. There's no real pattern either. ST The main thing that bugs me right now is that there is no way to ST automatically compress folders on IMAP. The compress folders on ST exit doesn't work with IMAP. This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think on TBBETA. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using SB! Lite v2.03.47 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
Hello Deborah, Won't that filter the whole folder though? I only need to move one message at a time. See the filter Options tab, there is the possibility of only checking the selected message. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp PLAYING: J Thompson - Real Quick Lovin' (Smoothjazz.com - The world's best Smooth Jazz - Live from Monterey, Calif.) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Doug, Your reply folders -- do you just drag messages into the 10 day one or is that automated also? That is done in folder Properties. See: http://www.rancho-k.com/Folder_Del1.png http://www.rancho-k.com/Folder_Del2.png As you can see, I have ticked the Use alternative deletion for purging this folder option and I do purge and compress complete message base every night. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp PLAYING: Tim Coffman - Just Passin Thru (Smoothjazz.com - The world's best Smooth Jazz - Live from Monterey, Calif.) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:55:54 AM, MAU wrote: M See the filter Options tab, there is the possibility of only M checking the selected message. Ah, that will work then. Pity I'm going to have to do it on for every account *sigh* -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
Hello Deborah, Ah, that will work then. Pity I'm going to have to do it on for every account *sigh* You may want to try The Bat! Filter Commander http://tirna.narod.ru/soft/files/setup_tbfc120.exe -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quick Template question
I've got a QT which I want to use to reply to posts on an email list, but to mail the sender of the post off-list not the list itself. I know how to put the sender's name into the To: field on my reply, but is there a way for me to remove the email list address from the To: field? -- TIA Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Template question
Hello Deborah, I've got a QT which I want to use to reply to posts on an email list, but to mail the sender of the post off-list not the list itself. I know how to put the sender's name into the To: field on my reply, but is there a way for me to remove the email list address from the To: field? %To=''%To='%OFROMNAME %OFROMADDR' -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:49:54 PM, MAU wrote: M You may want to try The Bat! Filter Commander Ooooh...I didn't know about that! Off to play :-) -- Deborah There is no greater American value than owning something. - George W. Bush, December 2000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Template question
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:05:35 PM, MAU wrote: M %To=''%To='%OFROMNAME %OFROMADDR' Thank you :-) -- Deborah We like someone because. We love someone although. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL! I wish that The Bat! could optionally save decrypted pgp messages while keeping the original kludges. Does anyone have a macro that can do this or something similar? - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAE8YuvZSrVDqOXK0RApxtAKDMBn+pvXUiLH29JG+QHTllCwbs6QCfWq4z pd2GAY28dH/07kCcE06w1Bg= =xXky -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
Hello Allie, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:35:11 AM, you wrote: AM This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next AM release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think AM on TBBETA. I've never been a big beta person - though it seems that even published releases for TB are beta-like. But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try. -- Best regards, Steve TB! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and spam
Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote: ST I've never been a big beta person - though it seems that even ST published releases for TB are beta-like. ST But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try. Subscribe for TB! beta downloads here http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ The beta downloads page is here http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ If you have things to share, or issues to discuss, please join us here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The whole process is in the TBUDL info site, the URL for which is in the list footers. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using SB! Lite v2.03.47 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello MAU, Friday, January 23, 2004, 6:55:54 PM, you wrote: M Hello Richard, Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me down that path! ;-) M Have a nice weekend ;-) On Sunday i am trying to improve my english. I need help. I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences: I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document would you? Nah! Chickened out I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds And in I do, but YMMV What stands YMMV for Thanks for help -- Best regards, Papymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
I sent this message on TBTECH first; it seems however that there is almost nobody reading the tech list, so I decided to resend it here. I recently submitted the problem described in this message as a bug (https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002349); decided to also report on the list though - it would be interesting to hear what other people think. Hope it's still not too technical for TBUDL :). If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values higher than 127, then TB! would just make it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, when queuing that message in Outbox. Some people think this is the corrrect behaviour, and they refer to RFC2045 et al. Somebody even reported a bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002343 - Possibility to leave definition of 8 bit charset in case of message with 7-bit only without resetting to us-ascii I still consider it definitely a logical mistake, and a serious one, since RFCs say octets with decimal values of 127 and up are not allowed in 7-bit data, but no one RFC says 0-127 should never be encoded as 8-bit - characters themselves are not intrinsically 7-bit or 8-bit. As a result of this behaviour combined with some other MUAs' (e.g. Microsoft-made ones') improper behaviour, there is the following problem reported by various people. Suppose I send a message to my Ukrainian friend in Canada, and he replies in Russian. I know his MUA would try and put in the headers of his reply the same encoding as my message had. To save him time on checking, I would indicate I want _every message of mine_ (even if it's plain English only!) to be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit, _which is perfectly legal in my view, as explained above. I compose my message indicating KOI8-R as the charset to be used, but... looking in the Outbox, I see Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there! Hope you get my point. www.livejournal.com uses UTF-8 for all those webpages, even though I do not use any Chinese or other double-byte characters in my blog there. I consider this to be a good example: characters, be they English, Ukrainian, Chinese, or whatever, are not 7bit, 8bit, double-byte, etc. They _can_ be _encoded_ in various ways; and other than for those cases where it is just plainly impossible to encode them in a specific way (like it is impossible to encode Russian as 7bit), - standards do not prohibit us from using anything. So, seeing a good, standards-compliant, mail client like TB!, which calls itself mail servant :), I would like it to respect my will, _or_ at least to produce a warning when it changes (again, without a valid, standards-based reason!) what I've set as my default charset. Would you agree with that?.. My apology for this letter being rather long, - at least I hope it is not completely boring for everybody :). Maksym. -- Maksym Kozub, MK881-UANICmailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hi Kevin, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:35:38 -0500GMT (25.01.04, 14:35 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KC I wish that The Bat! could optionally save decrypted pgp messages KC while keeping the original kludges. KC Does anyone have a macro that can do this or something similar? My only workaround as yet is to cp the decrypted message to the Memo field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my related wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 -- Cheers Peter What is a free gift ? Aren't all gifts free? Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Peter, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:17:02 PM, you wrote: PM My only workaround as yet is to cp the decrypted message to the Memo PM field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my PM related wish: How can I access the memo field? My view menu (2.02.3CE) doesn't show the memo auto-view function. How can I access it? The solution above may not be elegant, but it's good enough for me if I can get it to work. Thanks. -- Rick Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Jean! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:57 AM, you wrote: R Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to R give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me R down that path! ;-) M Have a nice weekend ;-) JS On Sunday i am trying to improve my english. JS I need help. Since Miguel hasn't answered yet, nor so far anyone else that I see on my tbudl folder, I'll give it a try. I live in the U.S., born in Texas, now residing in Tennessee. I've been with TB! for going on two years now. One of the most wonderful things to me about the mailing lists are the messages coming from people whose native language is not my own. I've been learning so very much from all of you. So, I want to try to help on this. JS I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences: JS I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title It's a sort of humor. Kinda means sort of or somewhat. It's an understatement. What's really meant is I like my e-mail client, *The Bat!* very, very, very much, in spite of its few things that need fixing. JS I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document JS would you? Roughly translated, this means: I don't suppose you would want to write a message that explains how to do this, would you? JS Nah! Chickened out Chickened out is a slang expression, used in a derisive tone of voice. It means that the recipient who is accused of chickening out has become scared of doing a particular thing, or has seen the particular thing as too difficult, and so has changed his mind. He will now not do what he had said he was going to do. So, he's basically being called a coward. To be chicken is to be cowardly. And, since he said this of himself, he's just indulging in a bit of humor, perhaps to forestall being teased about deciding not to give up a whole weekend to learning this new thing. JS I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks This is a metaphor: his hands are hovering over--meaning, in a position just above--these keys on the keyboard. It means he'll go on using them rather than go through the long process of learning a new (although possibly better) way. JS Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds Oh heck is a mild euphemism for Oh hell. To get sucked into something means to have been fooled or lured into it, against one's better judgment. The wonders of WindowBlinds is a partly ironic expression. He's fascinated, but it's going to take up so much of his time to learn to use this program that he's rueful, also. JS And JS in I do, but YMMV What stands YMMV for YMMV stands for your mileage may vary. Again, this is a figure of speech, taken from the automobile industry. It means, in this context, that you may not have the same experience which I've had with this. JS Thanks for help My pleasure, if it is truly a help! I'm retired from teaching elementary school--the last 10 years of my service was with 10-,11-, and 12-year-old youngsters in the sixth grade. I hope--given this background--that I haven't talked down to you. My undergraduate degree is in English Literature. I love to the point of passion dealing with words and their backgrounds and meanings. :) Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told to, Jean? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section
Hello TheBat! List, The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the report every time I start and stop The Bat. If I block the alteration The Bat opens looking normal but won't receive mail. If I accept the alteration The Bat works normally. Does anyone have an idea what is going on? 1/25/2004 8:22:46 AM - Registry modification detected Root:HKEY_CURRENT_USER Key:Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce Value:The Bat! Data: New Data:D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Attempt to alter the autostart section (Accepted) -- Regards, Dennis - Annoy a gun-grabber: just recite the facts!!! The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:07:51 +0200 GMT (25/01/2004, 22:07 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values higher than 127, then TB! would just make it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, when queuing that message in Outbox. [...] Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit but TB changes it to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? That sounds wrong. But let me ask you *how* you have set TB to the first setting to being with. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: It is always possible to park directly outside any building you are visiting. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section
At 11:33 AM on 1/25/2004, Dennis W. Greer typed ... D The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the D report every time I start and stop The Bat. If I block the alteration D The Bat opens looking normal but won't receive mail. D If I accept the alteration The Bat works normally. Does anyone have an D idea what is going on? That's similar to my question from a week or two ago, so I think I can answer it. Options - Preferences - General Make sure Start program after system halt is NOT checked. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 1/25/2004 at 11:41 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: A man may be a fool and not know it -- but not if he is married. -- H.L. Mencken This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section
Hello Dennis, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:33:57 -0800 GMT (25/01/2004, 23:33 +0700 GMT), Dennis W. Greer wrote: The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the report every time I start and stop The Bat. Options / Preferences / General / [X] Start Program after System Halt will put an entry in the RunOnce regkey when you start TB. It will delete the entry if TB is closed normally. The idea is that TB starts automatically upon reboot in case of a system crash. Take the tickmark off and you won't get the report any more. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My mouse got into my computer and chewed up the internet. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Mary, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:32:32 PM, you wrote: MRB Hello Jean! MRB On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:57 AM, you wrote: R Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to R give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me R down that path! ;-) M Have a nice weekend ;-) JS On Sunday i am trying to improve my english. JS I need help. MRB Since Miguel hasn't answered yet, nor so far anyone else that I see on MRB my tbudl folder, I'll give it a try. I live in the U.S., born in MRB Texas, now residing in Tennessee. I've been with TB! for going on two MRB years now. One of the most wonderful things to me about the mailing MRB lists are the messages coming from people whose native language is not MRB my own. I've been learning so very much from all of you. MRB So, I want to try to help on this. JS I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences: JS I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title MRB It's a sort of humor. Kinda means sort of or somewhat. It's an MRB understatement. What's really meant is I like my e-mail client, *The MRB Bat!* very, very, very much, in spite of its few things that need MRB fixing. JS I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document JS would you? MRB Roughly translated, this means: I don't suppose you would want to MRB write a message that explains how to do this, would you? JS Nah! Chickened out MRB Chickened out is a slang expression, used in a derisive tone of MRB voice. It means that the recipient who is accused of chickening out MRB has become scared of doing a particular thing, or has seen the MRB particular thing as too difficult, and so has changed his mind. He MRB will now not do what he had said he was going to do. MRB So, he's basically being called a coward. To be chicken is to be MRB cowardly. MRB And, since he said this of himself, he's just indulging in a bit of MRB humor, perhaps to forestall being teased about deciding not to give up MRB a whole weekend to learning this new thing. JS I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks MRB This is a metaphor: his hands are hovering over--meaning, in a MRB position just above--these keys on the keyboard. It means he'll go on MRB using them rather than go through the long process of learning a new MRB (although possibly better) way. JS Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds MRB Oh heck is a mild euphemism for Oh hell. MRB To get sucked into something means to have been fooled or lured into MRB it, against one's better judgment. MRB The wonders of WindowBlinds is a partly ironic expression. He's MRB fascinated, but it's going to take up so much of his time to learn to MRB use this program that he's rueful, also. JS And JS in I do, but YMMV What stands YMMV for MRB YMMV stands for your mileage may vary. Again, this is a figure of MRB speech, taken from the automobile industry. It means, in this context, MRB that you may not have the same experience which I've had with this. JS Thanks for help MRB My pleasure, if it is truly a help! I'm retired from teaching MRB elementary school--the last 10 years of my service was with 10-,11-, and MRB 12-year-old youngsters in the sixth grade. MRB I hope--given this background--that I haven't talked down to you. MRB My undergraduate degree is in English Literature. I love to the point MRB of passion dealing with words and their backgrounds and meanings. :) MRB Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable MRB moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told MRB to, Jean? This helps. Thanks Mary. Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told to, Jean? Are you suggesting that this question is better for tbot than for tbuld? -- Best regards, Jeanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hi Richard, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:12:07 +0500GMT (25.01.04, 17:12 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM My only workaround as yet is to cp the decrypted message to the Memo PM field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my PM related wish: RHS How can I access the memo field? My view menu (2.02.3CE) doesn't show RHS the memo auto-view function. How can I access it? The solution above RHS may not be elegant, but it's good enough for me if I can get it to RHS work. I didn't try memo auto-view yet. You can always hit ctrl+shift+I to open a memo for a message. I set up a view mode in Options/Preferences/Message Lists/View Modes including the memo field and applied it via folder properties. But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message in the message base. -- Cheers Peter Just that you're paranoid doesn't mean they are NOT after you. Winamp currently playing: Paolo Conte - Fuga All'Inglese Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values higher than 127, then TB! would just make it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, when queuing that message in Outbox. TF [...] TF Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TF but TB changes it to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TF just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? TF That sounds wrong. That's exactly what happens here with my default setting of Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15). Have a look at this message's source. I won't use any umlauts, the charset will be set to us-ascii. I had to change my tagline though... -- Cheers Peter Fatal error: Close your eyes and press ESCAPE three times. Winamp currently playing: Caetano Veloso Gilberto Gil - Tradicao Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TF but TB changes it to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TF just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? Here's the same with high ASCII character. -- Cheers Peter Anything that can go wr ...Segmentation violation -- Core dumped. Winamp currently playing: Caetano Veloso Gilberto Gil - Tradição Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Jean! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:12 AM, you wrote. in part: JS This helps. Thanks Mary. You're welcome. :) And then you wrote, quoting me: JS []Shall we take this to tbot without being told to, Jean?[] JS Are you suggesting that this question is better for tbot than for tbuld? Yes, I really think it is. Are you subscribed there? If not, here's the mail to: address for subscribing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In addition, I've included a Reply to: address in my headers, to make it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl. Of course, it's possible that the moderators would not regard this conversation as off-topic for tbudl. Sometimes my mind--out of being wary of transgressing :) --interprets tbudl's rules more strictly than the moderators do. :) Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that extra list. So, since you were originally Replying to a MAU (Miguel) posting, it was entirely appropriate for you to ask your questions for the first time on this list, where the expressions that were puzzling you were being used. I just thought that now, we might move it to tbot. In case there were some more expressions that you wanted to have explained. All the best to you, Jean. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: I kinda like my Bat :))
Jean Site, [JS] wrote: JS Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the JS inevitable moderator's reminder. Thanks. But another reminder. :) Ouch. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jean. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using SB! Lite v2.03.47 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Peter, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:30:51 +0100 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:30 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: TF just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? TF That sounds wrong. That's exactly what happens here with my default setting of Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15). Then it sounds like a bug to me. I cannot imagine how this can be desired. Have a look at this message's source. Did. Says us-ascii. :-( -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reason for leaving last job: maturity leave. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Mary, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:37:31 -0600 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:37 +0700 GMT), Mary R Bull wrote: In addition, I've included a Reply to: address in my headers, to make it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl. I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address. Just FYI! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wie man sich fettet, so wiegt man. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hello Peter, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:22:47 +0100 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:22 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message in the message base. This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to put in a wishlist item to make it optional? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Early to bed and early to rise means it's time to meet more guys. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(LONGISH) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 . 18:39:19 you wrote: TF Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TF but TB changes it to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TF just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? Yep. Looks exactly so. TF That sounds wrong. For me too. However, based on the bug No. 2343 which I also mentioned, as well as on the Russian discussion I mentioned on the bugtraq, some people think this behaviour (completely unacceptable for me) is absolutely OK. TF But let me ask you *how* you have set TB to the first setting to being TF with. Well, there is that Use Character set in account templates, as well as Message encoding when composing a message... If I choose a charset in those 2 places, I think that means I want to be in the specified charset, and since it is an 8-bit charset, I think it also means I want it to be Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit. (To be strict, I don't think I indicate Content-Type: text/plain directly anywhere, - I simply use a plain text message editor. but thanks God, The Bat! does not change that anyway :))) ). You may also want to have a look at the bugtraq link I provided, where I list in every detail the steps required to reproduce this. By the way, a fellow TBUDL subscriber has already added a note there saying it's the same with Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15) encoding. Of course, feel free to ask for any additional info. The following are thing s you may be not so interested in, but still. I will now quote some parts of those discussions here (in my English translation). Those are public discussions anyway, so I think that's OK. First, there was a discussion at http://www.forum.nobat.ru/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1361 , from which I myself got first information on that problem. People complained about this sort of TB! behaviour, saying it is still the same with Windows-1251 charset, it is still the same if you include %charset in your templates, whatever. Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm: If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter and spirit of RFCs. I would recommend to replace one of Latin a's with a Russian - this would be sufficient to cope with your problem. In general terms, this is a problem with Outglitch (=Outlook - M.K.)... (skipped - M.K.) Sokol, Dec 03, 2003, 09:30:29 am: Alexander Kiselev on Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm wrote: If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter and spirit of RFCs. I don't seem to remember seeing such things there. Would you kindly remind me where exactly it says so?.. (skipped - M.K.) Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 03, 2003, 08:15:47 pm: RFC2045, see the definition of 7bit data and 8bit data. Yours are 7bit data, so they're encoded under RFC822, i.e. us-ascii. Moreover, I purposely check, and Pegasus for example uses exactly the same logic as The Bat!. Same for Becky. So don't tell me this is wrong. You can install some smtp-gateway like Xray, and change forcefully the respective header field. I cannot give any other advice. Oh well... If you have honestly purchased your Outglitch, then you can complain to Microsoft. Let them patch their mistake. Vadim, administrator, Dec 05, 2003, 10:54:21 am: ...It is for this very reason that monsters like Microsoft write programs which do not correspond to standards that people like ypu appear... IMHO, there is a standard, so it must be complied with. And all clients comly with it, while Microsoft invents something of their own and most people comply with that for some [incomprehensible] reasons... I got a feeling of all that being definitely a wrong approach, and started a new thread at http://www.forum.nobat.ru/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=1564 : Me on Jan 14, 2004, 03:42:05 pm : (arguments like those provided in the previous message, aa well as in my bugtraq message, skipped...) ...So this is a really illogical behaviour of The Bat!, and if Pegasus and Becky use the same logic... it doesn't mean the logic itself is correct. By the way, regarding Pegasus... Harris puts it in the help files: Allow 8-bit MIME encodings If you check this control, Pegasus Mail will generate MIME messages using the MIME 8BIT transfer encoding whenever you include
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Thomas! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM, you wrote: In addition, I've included a Reply to: address in my headers, to make it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl. TF I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list TF server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address. Yes, spotted that when I looked at my message to Jean on this list. :/ TF Just FYI! ;-) Thanks a bunch. :) Well, I tried! I guess I could have put the Reply to in the message body, as a work-around? Jean seems like an interesting addition to the TB! conversation group. Also, by his full-quote rule violation, I judge he's pretty new to posting with us. I hope he'll write to us on tbot soon. :) Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hi Thomas, on Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:53:41 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 18:53 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message in the message base. TF This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to TF put in a wishlist item to make it optional? I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 -- Cheers Peter Originality is the art of concealing your sources. Winamp currently playing: Robert Wyatt - Alife Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MicroEd Specific Options
Hello, When I am editing a message I want from The Bat! to: 1) Automatically change line at column 73 3) Justify Text after line auto-wrap 4) Change Paragraph automatically. (After I press Enter). And when I say change paragraph I mean, continue writing at the very next line after leaving 3 or 4 spaces. What MicroEd Options should I enable/disable to be able to compose a message like this? Thanks in advance. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Mary, Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that extra list. Nah, that's probably just an excuse ;-) Hm! I can smell your coffee from here, smells so good! ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:43:01 +0700 GMT (1/25/2004, 8:43 AM +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the report every time I start and stop The Bat. TF Options / Preferences / General / [X] Start Program after System Halt Thanks, that was indeed the problem. -- Best regards, Dennis - George Orwell was an OPTIMIST! The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jean, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday i am trying to improve my english. I need help. I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences: Sorry I didn't ignore you. I've just been out all the time and see that Mary provided a quite excellent answer to my use of slang words. I'm sure she was also inwardly cringing at my terrible use of the English language at the same time :-) - -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.03.47 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and the best browser: Opera 7.50 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQBQLYRqZtcDKk7W+EQKMFQCdE3K9F59lvgUsFgZFZs1lgSKqB5kAoNDD pV2dVONF+IDhZ+Ea3/t9L0rH =H7SH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section
Hello Dennis, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:19:09 -0800 GMT (26/01/2004, 01:19 +0700 GMT), Dennis W. Greer wrote: Just a bit off this particular topic: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:43:01 +0700 GMT (1/25/2004, 8:43 AM +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: Same time zone? I must have been writing for 15 hours... You should change the hard-coded +0700 in the parenthesis to -0800, which is your time zone. ;-) Thanks, that was indeed the problem. Glad I could help. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Steht der Tropfen, heult der Stein. - Horst Hoffmann Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Miguel! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:16 PM, you wrote: MRB Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that MRB extra list. M Nah, that's probably just an excuse ;-) Now you tell me! Right when I'm in the middle of trying to welcome this great new guy into our conversations!! BTW, did I translate you and RW correctly? M Hm! I can smell your coffee from here, smells so good! ;-) Ah, yes, I sent its spirit winging your way. Wish I could zap myself immediately to sunny Spain, out of this cold Middle Tennessee winter and bring you a whole potful, along with a refrigerator full of, what else? Beer. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:02:39 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 01:02 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: TF just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? Yep. Looks exactly so. TF That sounds wrong. For me too. OK, let's read on: Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm: If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter and spirit of RFCs. The others confirm that's so in the RFCs. I would recommend to replace one of Latin a's with a Russian - this would be sufficient to cope with your problem. Here you have a work-around that should solve your problem for the time being. But having read the discussion you kindly translated, I don't consider it a bug in TB. Because TB behauves RFC-conform (if what was said in the thread from the forum is true, I didn't check it). The work-around is therefore for an RFC, which I - as you - think should be altered. The correct way is to write to the author of the RFC rather than asking Ritlabs to violate it. I believe they have a right to be proud of their RFC-compliance. If an RFC doesn't make sense, it ought to be changed rather than ignored. IMHO. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'The Simpsons' are on TV. (Anita, 6) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Richard! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:30 PM, you wrote: JS I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences: RW Sorry I didn't ignore you. I've just been out all the time ... I figured that, Richard, and the same for Miguel. :) Was delighted at the opportunity to play with words and possibly make a new on-line friend. :) RW ... and see that Mary provided a quite excellent answer to my use RW of slang words. ... Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :) RW ... I'm sure she was also inwardly cringing at my terrible use of RW the English language at the same time :-) I *was* *not*! My goodness, what a thing to say! I really enjoy slang--have a private stash of my own, both inherited and acquired. And for a native UK speaker, you do okay with English. g If Jean's still reading this thread, I hope he will know that I'm only teasing with that last sentence. Both on-line and in person I have found your use of English impeccable, and a conversation with you is always a pure joy. :) Ah well, also: so much for my efforts to take this to tbot. :/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Searching Log Files
Is there any way of searching within the log file in TB? I know I could copy and paste the file to a word processor, but I'd rather search the log file itself. I tried F7, but that doesn't work, nor does the Windows search which is normally invoked by CTRL-F. I using TB 2.01.3 Business edition on a PC running XP Professional. Thanks for any help. -- Mike Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder Maintenance freezes?
Several times when I've used the Folder Maintenance feature to purge compress folders, it has got part-way through, then frozen. It's not finished, but it's not moving. Leaving it for several minutes makes no difference, although the stop button appears to be available, it doesn't do anything. Clicking on the X to close the window works. Repeating the procedure results in a freeze at the same place, when I exclude that account, it just freezes on another account. Exiting TB re-starting it seems to have solved the problem. Bug? -- Deborah Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hallo Peter, On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:09:17 PM, you wrote: But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message in the message base. TF This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to TF put in a wishlist item to make it optional? I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 How can I help? -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! The Natural E-mail System v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?
Hello Deborah, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:03:57 + GMT (26/01/2004, 02:03 +0700 GMT), Deborah W wrote: Several times when I've used the Folder Maintenance feature to purge compress folders, it has got part-way through, then frozen. It's not finished, but it's not moving. Leaving it for several minutes makes no difference, I have one folder where this happens. It is a folder with a lot of attachments to the messages, usually MS Office files. It takes several minutes to purgecompress. I'm serious, minutes. But eventually, the process continues. Maybe the folder where the maintenance center freezes over at your place is such a folder? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Lothar Matthaeus (ehemaliger Nationalspieler) zum Koks-Skandal um Christoph Daum: Wichtig ist, dass er nun eine klare Linie in sein Leben bringt! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hi Henk, on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:05:21 +0100GMT (25.01.04, 20:05 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message in the message base. TF This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to TF put in a wishlist item to make it optional? I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 HdB How can I help? Go to the above link and tell them you'd want that too. Btw, my apologies to Thomas4000 who already gave a supporting vote, so it's not no one supported it but one did. But this may not be enough... *S* -- Cheers Peter Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. W. Somerset Maugham Winamp currently playing: Legendary Pink Dots - Siren Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:12:07 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Maybe the folder where the maintenance center freezes over at TF your place is such a folder? Nope - it's an email address I use only for Yahoo Groups, since I'm subscribed to very few Yahoo Groups where attachments aren't stripped, there are very few attachments in that account. And there were *no* messages in the folder, only 822 within the entire account - perhaps 100 more before I purged it. -- Deborah Two thirds of Americans can't do fractions. The other half just doesn't care. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Hallo Peter, On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:22:08 PM, you wrote: HdB How can I help? Go to the above link and tell them you'd want that too. Done! -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! The Natural E-mail System v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hallo Mary, On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:32:32 PM, you wrote: snip translation/interpretation /snip MRB Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable MRB moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told MRB to, Jean? For me English is also not my first language. So I would love to have the opportunity to ask about translations and interpretations. I am reading TBOT as well, so if we can go there with our questions. Maybe we could agree to some kind of easy to understand or recognize threadname? -- regards, Henk. BTW I live in Holland (that is the western part of the Netherlands) __ The Bat! The Natural E-mail System v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Mary, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:01:59 PM, you wrote: MRB Hello Thomas! MRB On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM, you wrote: In addition, I've included a Reply to: address in my headers, to make it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl. TF I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list TF server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address. MRB Yes, spotted that when I looked at my message to Jean on this list. :/ TF Just FYI! ;-) MRB Thanks a bunch. :) Well, I tried! I guess I could have put the Reply MRB to in the message body, as a work-around? MRB Jean seems like an interesting addition to the TB! conversation group. MRB Also, by his full-quote rule violation, I judge he's pretty new to MRB posting with us. MRB I hope he'll write to us on tbot soon. :) MRB Please reply to: MRB [EMAIL PROTECTED] MRB :) Thanks Mary OK. I'LL ask next question on Tbot. In addition, I've included a Reply to: address in my headers, to make it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl. I don't see your Reply to: address. But what do I do? I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address. I just hit reply! I just hit reply, and I get you here! I understand that I can't use yourReply to: address! Just FYI! ;-) What FYI stands for ? For continuing on Tbot what can I do? -- Best regards, Jeanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:41:42 you wrote: TF OK, let's read on: Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm: If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter and spirit of RFCs. TF The others confirm that's so in the RFCs. In fact, that's _not_ what the RFCs say. See below. I would recommend to replace one of Latin a's with a Russian - this would be sufficient to cope with your problem. TF Here you have a work-around that should solve your problem for the TF time being. TF But having read the discussion you kindly translated, I don't consider TF it a bug in TB. Because TB behauves RFC-conform (if what was said in TF the thread from the forum is true, I didn't check it). That workaround is needed _only_ because The Bat! misinterprets the RFCs (see below). That's an important part of my whole point. TF The work-around is therefore for an RFC, which I - as you - think TF should be altered. The correct way is to write to the author of the TF RFC rather than asking Ritlabs to violate it. I believe they have a TF right to be proud of their RFC-compliance. If an RFC doesn't make TF sense, it ought to be changed rather than ignored. IMHO. The whole matter is this: I _don't_ think that RFC should be altered, but I would like to take the liberty to say there is a wrong understanding shown by The Bat!, and by the discussion participants, of what _is_ said in that RFC. Let's have one more look at RFC2045 now. What does it say? It says: 2.7. 7bit Data 7bit data refers to data that is all represented as relatively short lines with 998 octets or less between CRLF line separation sequences [RFC-821]. No octets with decimal values greater than 127 are allowed and neither are NULs (octets with decimal value 0). CR (decimal value 13) and LF (decimal value 10) octets only occur as part of CRLF line separation sequences. 2.8. 8bit Data 8bit data refers to data that is all represented as relatively short lines with 998 octets or less between CRLF line separation sequences [RFC-821]), but octets with decimal values greater than 127 may be used. As with 7bit data CR and LF octets only occur as part of CRLF line separation sequences and no NULs are allowed. To keep it short: 7bit data should _never_ ever contain 127 and up. 8bit data _may_ contain 127 and up. Does it say 8bit data _should always_ contain 127 and up? _No_. Does it say Whatever does not contain 127 and up _is always_ 7bit data? _No_. When I type the Latin letter t, am I typing 7bit data? _Not necessarily_. It may be represented as 7-bit, 8-bit, UTF-7, UTF-8... Of course, if there is a Russian character in the same message, then the message cannot be encoded as US-ASCII anymore - see RFC2045 above. However, if there is nothing but low ASCII in that message, - please show me why, based on the definitions from RFC2045 quoted above, it cannot be encoded as 8bit KOI8-R, or Win-1252, or UTF-8... Hope you get my point. Any high ASCII letter can never be 7bit data, - that's right, and that's what RFC2045 says. What it does _not_ say is that low ASCII (like the Latin letter t) is intrinsically bound to be represented as US-ASCII, and _not_ as KOI8-R or even UTF-8, for that matter. And I think it is not by chance. The RFC creator understood it very clearly that if a character (like that poor t :) ) exists in various encodings, then it can be encoded in any of those. Period. Regards, Maksym. -- Maksym Kozub, MK881-UANICmailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]
Hello Henk! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:40 PM, you wrote: MRB Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable MRB moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot ... HdB For me English is also not my first language. So I would love to have the HdB opportunity to ask about translations and interpretations. I am HdB reading TBOT as well, so if we can go there with our questions. Maybe HdB we could agree to some kind of easy to understand or recognize HdB threadname? I am sorry to be so late with this Reply. I had a long phone call from my sister in the interval between your post and my seeing it. I am trying Paul Cartwright's suggestion of a CC to tbot. A tentative new name for the thread is in the subject line of this post. I will be happy to go with whatever everyone thinks the new thread should be named. Also, if only, as with Paul, a copy-and-paste will work, you could copy-and-paste this and manually put in the Subject line and Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will be most happy to try to answer any questions you have, that I'm able to, and I'm sure many others on tbot will feel the same as I do about trying to give this kind of help. Thanks for asking. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems Installing K9
Hello, My wife is trying to install K9 on 1.63. It looks set up correctly, but she gets the message 'Cannot connect to server'. Any suggestions as to where we may have gone wrong? Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Mary- Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:44:41 AM, you wrote: MRB Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :) Ouch. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Mark! On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:17 PM, you wrote: MRB Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :) MW Ouch. Apologies. Truly wasn't aiming at you with that set of letters (m-a-r-k). You know what? I'm only one letter off your name in my own (m-a-r-y). I may have just shot myself in the foot--or put my foot in my mouth, or something. g ducking the trout shower -- Best regards, Mary, miserable rule-breaker today, but plannint to reform tomorrow :) The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
Steve Thomas wrote: Spampal automatically set-up an IMAP folder called inbox.spamtrap. All the suggested spam goes in there. I found that to be very interesting. Did you do anything different when setting this up? Or was the only different in The Bat! that it's using the IMAP protocol? I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :( but would you mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP? Thanks. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
ken green wrote: I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :( but would you mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP? Sorry. Please disregard. I was thinking of something else. Spampal claims to work with POP or IMAP accounts. I stopped using it before because I didn't like the changing of subject lines (for false positives). I have since seen that you can disable this and filter on the SpamPal header entry. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
Steve Thomas wrote: Just follow the same instructions as with POP. Set your Transport settings as follows: I have SpamPal set up and it seems to be working. My first try resulted in connection/login problems, but I was using SpamPal 1.50. When I upgraded to the most recent version (1.53), the connection problems went away. However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get created. I have shut down and restarted The Bat, tried synching all folders, showing all folders... still no inbox.spamtrap folder. Should I just create that? I just now verified that this doesn't seem like a TB problem - I just checked the account via IMAP web interface and that folder is not there. Advice? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Searching Log Files
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, Roelof Otten wrote: You can access the log file from disk in: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Accountname\Account.log Accountname needs to be substituted with the name of the account. On my system I've associated .log files with Notepad, so double clicking does the trick for me. I tried that and it worked easily. Thanks for the advice. -- Mike Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
Hello ken, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:06:24 PM, you wrote: kg However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get kg created. Did it find any spam? I don't think that the folder was created until it actually discovered some spam. -- Best regards, Steve Grief, like age, doesn't change people. They stay themselves, only more so. - Alessandra Stanley TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup
FWIW, anyone setting up SpamPal on The Bat should shut down and re-start TB after setting up an IMAP server the first time. I thought it was an upgrade/latest version issue, but it happened again with the second IMAP account I set up. I would get login errors trying to connect to the IMAP server right after setting up the account. Closing TB and re-starting fixed the problem. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup
Hello ken, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:26:42 PM, you wrote: kg Ken Green kg Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with version 2.02. I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6. -- Best regards, Steve When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the ones which open for us. - Alexander Graham Bell TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
* Thomas Fernandez writes: Maksym Kozub wrote: Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit but TB changes it to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character? That sounds wrong. Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all. Carsten -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] POPFile on multiple Windows XP accounts
Hello bats, I created another user account on my Windows XP account, which should also use POPFile for spam filtering, but since I set this up, there happen a lot Server not reachable and Unable to connect errors while retrieving email. I put POPFile into the All Users startup account and gave full access to the POPFile directory for all users. Can someone enlighten me? -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems Installing K9
on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:17:10 + Doug Weller wrote: DW My wife is trying to install K9 on 1.63. It looks set up correctly, DW but she gets the message 'Cannot connect to server'. DW Any suggestions as to where we may have gone wrong? look at the port and IP settings in TheBat, if it's the same as on what K9 is listening. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Carsten, On Mon, Jan 26 2004, 0:52:14 you wrote: That sounds wrong. CT Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all. It _is_ wrong. See my other messages in this thread, where I clearly demonstrate that 1) there is actually _nothing_ in RFC2045 preventing a MUA from encoding low ASCII characters in whatever encoding and forcing it to US-ASCII, and 2) failure to do that on MUA's part results in various inconveniences for some users, and those inconveniences are actually _not_ forced by RFC compliance. That's why I describe this as maybe wrong understanding of RFCs on behalf of MUAs' authors (not only those of The Bat!, seems to be). Regards, Maksym. -- Maksym Kozub, MK881-UANICmailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup
Steve Thomas wrote: Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with version 2.02. I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6. Sorry for the confusion. I am running two versions of The Bat on my desktop and laptop. My laptop has The Bat 2.03 CE installed and that's where I'm trying out SpamPal. The documentation for SpamPal *does* state that IMAP support for The Bat is for version 2 and above.. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and spam
Steve Thomas wrote: Did it find any spam? I don't think that the folder was created until it actually discovered some spam. Interesting... That would make sense.. ;) I created a top-level spamtrap folder anyway. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP and Sorting Office..
Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts? Because in v1.62r filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters (both Incoming and Read) do not work for IMAP accounts. Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly, that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed* to be handled by TB? That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local filters don't make sense? Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a local folder with a filter? This seems like a reasonable request. ;) If I manually move a message to a local folder (Common folder) while connected to the IMAP server, that message gets marked for deletion. This is what I want. But can I get this using Sorting Office? Obviously, I don't want to manually apply all my filters. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
Peter, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:22:47 PM, you wrote: PM I didn't try memo auto-view yet. You can always hit ctrl+shift+I PM to open a memo for a message. Got it. Thanks! Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..
ken green wrote: kg Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts? It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages. This is being worked on. kg Because in v1.62r filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters kg (both Incoming and Read) do not work for IMAP accounts. The do work, but you have to run them manually. Read and replied filters do work automatically though. kg Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly, kg that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed* kg to be handled by TB? No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible. kg That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local kg filters don't make sense? They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process. kg Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a kg local folder with a filter? This seems like a reasonable request. ;) We'll have to patient where this is concerned. Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters to filter my mail. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ SecureBat! Lite v2.03.47 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..
Allie Martin wrote: It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages. This is being worked on. OK. Manual is better than nothing, I suppose... :) Read and replied filters do work automatically though. Not my experience. But I could have done something wrong. I will test this some more. How are you marking items as read? I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts) Read filters. I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I mark them. -- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way. kg Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly, kg that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed* kg to be handled by TB? No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible. Well, like I said, I'll be happy if I can get autofiltering on READ messages to work. kg That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local kg filters don't make sense? They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process. What about folders that are not on the server? Are they automatically created during the sync process? What about folders set to NOT sync? It looks like moving items to folders not set to sync marks the item for deletion. I will double-check that behavior, but that is what I want - if I move a message to a common folder for reference/archiving/etc., marking it for deletion on the server - only after the move - would be great. This would allow messages to download throughout the day to my desktop and still allow access remotely - using Read or manual filters on the desktop, messages wouldn't get moved until I read/processed them, so they wouldn't be deleted. Hope that makes sense. kg Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a kg local folder with a filter? This seems like a reasonable request. ;) We'll have to patient where this is concerned. Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :) I can be patient if the read filters will work. I have not installed any betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read filters didn't work? Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters to filter my mail. What do you mean by server side filters? If you're talking about server-side admin because you have full access to your mail server, then never mind - I don't have that kind of access. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete not happening...
IMAP account Account Properties Deletion Normal Deletion: Move messages to the Trash folder Trying to delete three messages. Delete key does not work. Selecting all three, right-click, Delete not working. Synchronize all folders doesn't help. Shut down TB, restart, connect to IMAP server, try again. *TWO* of the messages will delete, but not a third one. There are all three test messages (testing Read filters) in plain text with no attachments. What is going on??!? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.30 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete not happening...
On Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 10:19:06 PM, ken green wrote in the message Delete not happening... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMAP account Account Properties Deletion Normal Deletion: Move messages to the Trash folder Trying to delete three messages. Delete key does not work. Selecting all three, right-click, Delete not working. Synchronize all folders doesn't help. Shut down TB, restart, connect to IMAP server, try again. *TWO* of the messages will delete, but not a third one. There are all three test messages (testing Read filters) in plain text with no attachments. What is going on??!? I just tried this. I got it to work. However, I have, in the account preferences, mapped the Trash folder to an IMAP folder. Also, I have no filters. -- Ken Green Your cut mark is broken. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. I just found the last bug. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete not happening...
Chris wrote: I just tried this. I got it to work. However, I have, in the account preferences, mapped the Trash folder to an IMAP folder. Also, I have no filters. Thanks. I' ll try this. I guess that makes sense, actually. I think I was using a local Trash folder. I guess I'm still lost on this whole IMAP concept -- Ken Green Your cut mark is broken. Thanks. Since I am using 1.62r on my desktop and 2.03 CE on my laptop, I have sometimes manually changed my signature so people will understand the issue I'm describing. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] POPFile on multiple Windows XP accounts
on Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:09:43 +0100 I wrote: dh I created another user account on my Windows XP account, which should dh also use POPFile for spam filtering, but since I set this up, there dh happen a lot Server not reachable and Unable to connect errors dh while retrieving email. dh Can someone enlighten me? Solved this by running POPFile as a service, using the non-win version of POPFile, cygwin and cygrunsrv. This should work great now.. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Font - From Nowhere
Allie Martin wrote: Have you checked your font settings in the Preferences, namely those for 'Plain Text/MicroEd' (this controls the font used for composing with MicroEd and for viewing received messages with the Fixed Width Viewer) and 'HTML/Windows Editor' (this controls the fonts used for composing messages with the HTML editor as well as for viewing received messages with the Rich Text Viewer). Sorry Allie, should've really mentioned that I did check this too. There was actually no font selected in the above preference so I selected one and it changed in the preference window but didn't do anything in the main TB gui (very confused). At this point I re-installed the whole thing (hoped to avoid this but...) and it's all ok now. Just wanted to say thanks for the reply. Steve Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
