Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
All they have to do is use the complete word, gasoline. No need for fancy words like petrol, that sounds more like the word for crude oil in spanish petroleo.. if you want these texians to understand what you mean by gas use the word propane... couldnt beat them so I had to join'em, damn texians! El ene 7, 2015 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: And electricity, Gill. At least for the cooks. The cooks want water and electricity. And gas if you have it. That’s gas as in gas, and not gasoline. Why can’t you people use “petrol”, it makes a nice distinction. Grr, two peoples separated by a common language. wanders off muttering… -Stefan *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Gill Ediger via Texascavers *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:06 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available but needs to be reserved early. One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think the rest can be faked. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
Gas is short for gasoline, which is very accurate. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All they have to do is use the complete word, gasoline. No need for fancy words like petrol, that sounds more like the word for crude oil in spanish petroleo.. if you want these texians to understand what you mean by gas use the word propane... couldnt beat them so I had to join'em, damn texians! El ene 7, 2015 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: And electricity, Gill. At least for the cooks. The cooks want water and electricity. And gas if you have it. That’s gas as in gas, and not gasoline. Why can’t you people use “petrol”, it makes a nice distinction. Grr, two peoples separated by a common language. wanders off muttering… -Stefan *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Gill Ediger via Texascavers *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:06 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available but needs to be reserved early. One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think the rest can be faked. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
I recall the Guads on a survey. We went in in t-shirts and came out in a blizzard. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Guads RV Park was great, I liked the water. I did not like the weather, terrible. Sunny and HOT on Friday, nippy cold and wet on Saturday/Sunday. We need to find a place with better weather ;-) On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Raymond via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The third weekend in October is the place I mark in my calendar each year. In my time, we have only had it on a different weekend once, so the third weekend seems natural to me. As far as location goes...Paradise Canyon is nice, but, without water, I would look for another place. Flat Creek is, of course, always awesome. No one seems to be jumping on the Guadalupe River RV Park band wagon. I thought that was a great place. And it had water! Ray Hertel -- To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:38:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey From: texascavers@texascavers.com Gill, you should know better. You should never say never. I always used the third weekend of October. It was easy to find on a calendar and easy to remember. The only time I changed it was because of a conflict with PC. Allan *From:* Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well during its tenure. Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished but, more importantly, so that Bob Bob and other vendors could attend both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta moot. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18. I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
Guads RV Park was great, I liked the water. I did not like the weather, terrible. Sunny and HOT on Friday, nippy cold and wet on Saturday/Sunday. We need to find a place with better weather ;-) On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Raymond via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The third weekend in October is the place I mark in my calendar each year. In my time, we have only had it on a different weekend once, so the third weekend seems natural to me. As far as location goes...Paradise Canyon is nice, but, without water, I would look for another place. Flat Creek is, of course, always awesome. No one seems to be jumping on the Guadalupe River RV Park band wagon. I thought that was a great place. And it had water! Ray Hertel -- To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:38:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey From: texascavers@texascavers.com Gill, you should know better. You should never say never. I always used the third weekend of October. It was easy to find on a calendar and easy to remember. The only time I changed it was because of a conflict with PC. Allan *From:* Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well during its tenure. Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished but, more importantly, so that Bob Bob and other vendors could attend both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta moot. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18. I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
The third weekend in October is the place I mark in my calendar each year. In my time, we have only had it on a different weekend once, so the third weekend seems natural to me. As far as location goes...Paradise Canyon is nice, but, without water, I would look for another place. Flat Creek is, of course, always awesome. No one seems to be jumping on the Guadalupe River RV Park band wagon. I thought that was a great place. And it had water! Ray Hertel To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:38:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey From: texascavers@texascavers.com Gill, you should know better. You should never say never. I always used the third weekend of October. It was easy to find on a calendar and easy to remember. The only time I changed it was because of a conflict with PC. Allan From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well during its tenure. Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished but, more importantly, so that Bob Bob and other vendors could attend both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta moot. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18.I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too.Diana* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Diana R. TomchickProfessorUniversity of Texas Southwestern Medical CenterDepartment of Biophysics5323 Harry Hines Blvd.Rm. ND10.214ADallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.Email: Diana.Tomchick@UTSouthwestern.edu214-645-6383 (phone)214-645-6353 (fax)On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascaversUT SouthwesternMedical CenterThe future of medicine, today. ___Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
I'm with Charles. The convention held at Ft. Clark several years ago was the best and the area had everything. What a beautiful paradise. Some may think it is too far west but it is worth the drive. It would also encourage more participants from the western parts of the state. Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like Bracketville myself. It is close to my house. It has swimming and water and a hotel for the codgers and there are dozens of caves nearby. The NSS Convention went off well there. We also did Chalk Bluff once and got drowned out. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
Bracketville is Not close for me And the pecan pollen made me sick with sinus attack for a couple of weeks! On Jan 7, 2015 10:07 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I'm with Charles. The convention held at Ft. Clark several years ago was the best and the area had everything. What a beautiful paradise. Some may think it is too far west but it is worth the drive. It would also encourage more participants from the western parts of the state. Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like Bracketville myself. It is close to my house. It has swimming and water and a hotel for the codgers and there are dozens of caves nearby. The NSS Convention went off well there. We also did Chalk Bluff once and got drowned out. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Find the right place and I would contribute. The Blanco near Wimberley would be ideal. Fritz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: That works for me too. Find a nice place and buy it. If every caver chipped in $10 and there are at least five or six that I know of there would be a great stash of dollars. If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All, I wrote this to Allan back in ’10 and still stand by it. Keep it at the same location and weekend henceforth. Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com From: Alman, Mark @ EOS Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:07 AM To: Allan Cobb Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Location for TCR Wow, Allan! (Now, Don) Sorry about all of the grief you have been receiving. Sheesh, some people! FWIW, I still like and would have liked to have seen TCR being held at Paradise Canyon this year and for the foreseeable future. It was a pain to get to and a lot longer drive for me from DFW, but, a great and beautiful location, nevertheless. Hidden Falls would be closer for me, but, I thought Paradise Canyon was a brilliant selection by you with a lot of good features, facilities, and natural beauty. The crap we go thru for all of these positions and tasks that pay absolutely nothing, huh?! Keep a stiff upper lip and I support you in whatever choice you make. Mark On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Many cavers and spelunkers could afford considerably more than $25. F Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. Charlie, that's $12,500. If you can find a good TCR site for that, I might buy it myself.--Mixon A fearless man cannot be brave. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
Land it in the dry creek bed Frank, I vote 15-18th at Flat Creek Ranch. Ryan Monjaras Semper Exploro Maverick grotto Cowtown grotto DFW grotto UT grotto Bexar grotto Greater Houston Grotto TSA TCMA Sent from my HTC EVO 3D ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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I like the third weekend. PC is my favourite spot. At least on the registration side of things, we have a fantastic little hutch that we can lock papers etc. right at the entrance, and wouldn't have to station outside a bathroom like we did last year. The issue that I see with moving it to the 2nd weekend (like last year), is that the second weekend has always been the Colorado Bend State Park work project. We keep it consistent with them, and although they are amazingly accommodating at the park, we don't want to piss off the rangers by being a hassle to have there... On 7 January 2015 at 11:41, Frank Binney via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Hey Don-- Thanks again for all the hard work you do to make TCR a success. (And thanks also to Allan, Andy, Gill and other past organizers). I love Paradise Canyon--with or without water-- even though it will be more difficult to land the helicopter there. 2nd choice would be Flat Creek, followed by last year's site. But any spot, preferably with water and privacy west of the Balcones Fault, with enough cavers in attendance will be just fine. Cheers, Frank Binney On 1/7/15 10:47 AM, Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like Paradise Canyon. Water would be nice, but I don't spend any time boating or fishing so it is not a deal killer for me. My two cents worth. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Used to be James Strickland was the patron of Flat Creek but he retired so who knows who is in charge. I am sure Strickland would know, he was at the first TCR at Luckenbach. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:33 PM, trog...@hotmail.com texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Land it in the dry creek bed Frank, I vote 15-18th at Flat Creek Ranch. Ryan Monjaras Semper Exploro Maverick grotto Cowtown grotto DFW grotto UT grotto Bexar grotto Greater Houston Grotto TSA TCMA Sent from my HTC EVO 3D ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18. I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well during its tenure. Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished but, more importantly, so that Bob Bob and other vendors could attend both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta moot. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18. I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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My wife and I just spent a few days in the lodge at Paradise Canyon. We keep in regular contact with the owners, and even help them out from time to time when they need someone to run the place for a day or two. So we know there is actually a spring fed pool in the riverbed that is about 200' x 40' that hasn't varied much in size during this drought. People swim (and even drown) in this pool year round, although I wouldn't recommend it in July and August. I expect it would be plenty big and probably an acceptable water source for TCR water based activities. It's not nearly as nice as a flowing river, but it's not nearly as bad as a totally dry riverbed. And in every other way it's a great TCR site. The owners are continuing to invest in, and improve the property. They've added a very nice kid playground, improved the retaining walls and added stairs all along the riverbank. It will be very nice when the water returns. They've also added more water faucets all over the park, and many more electric outlets as well. Kurt -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:31 AM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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And electricity, Gill. At least for the cooks. The cooks want water and electricity. And gas if you have it. That's gas as in gas, and not gasoline. Why can't you people use petrol, it makes a nice distinction. Grr, two peoples separated by a common language. wanders off muttering... -Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Gill Ediger via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:06 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available but needs to be reserved early. One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think the rest can be faked. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Gill, you should know better. You should never say never. I always used the third weekend of October. It was easy to find on a calendar and easy to remember. The only time I changed it was because of a conflict with PC. Allan From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well during its tenure. Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished but, more importantly, so that Bob Bob and other vendors could attend both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta moot. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18. I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, too. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available but needs to be reserved early. One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think the rest can be faked. --Ediger On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Don: Paradise Canyon is the hands-down favorite for me and for nearly everyone I know. The lack of water is inconvenient but doubtless a temporary condition. Last year’s site had water but it was so distant and inconveniently placed that it was a non-issue for nearly everyone. October 15-18 is the best date. Thanks for your efforts in keeping this event going and running smoothly. I plan to make a motion to double your compensation. ===Carl Kunath (the real one) -Original Message- From: Don Arburn via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:30 AM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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I like Bracketville myself. It is close to my house. It has swimming and water and a hotel for the codgers and there are dozens of caves nearby. The NSS Convention went off well there. We also did Chalk Bluff once and got drowned out. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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All, I wrote this to Allan back in ’10 and still stand by it. Keep it at the same location and weekend henceforth. Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.commailto:texascav...@yahoo.com From: Alman, Mark @ EOS Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:07 AM To: Allan Cobb Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Location for TCR Wow, Allan! (Now, Don) Sorry about all of the grief you have been receiving. Sheesh, some people! FWIW, I still like and would have liked to have seen TCR being held at Paradise Canyon this year and for the foreseeable future. It was a pain to get to and a lot longer drive for me from DFW, but, a great and beautiful location, nevertheless. Hidden Falls would be closer for me, but, I thought Paradise Canyon was a brilliant selection by you with a lot of good features, facilities, and natural beauty. The crap we go thru for all of these positions and tasks that pay absolutely nothing, huh?! Keep a stiff upper lip and I support you in whatever choice you make. Mark On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold. Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we can convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ... On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like Paradise Canyon. Water would be nice, but I don't spend any time boating or fishing so it is not a deal killer for me. My two cents worth. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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TC ? All Mal needs to do is get to Houston and you can drive her from there, Lyndon… -Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:58 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold. Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we can convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ... -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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I like earlier weekend And always liked paradise canyon or flat creek ranch On Jan 7, 2015 11:02 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TC ? All Mal needs to do is get to Houston and you can drive her from there, Lyndon… -Stefan *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:58 AM *To:* Cavers Texas *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold. Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we can convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ... -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Hope she does not mind sitting in the back seat next to a cranky toddler. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TC ? All Mal needs to do is get to Houston and you can drive her from there, Lyndon… -Stefan *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:58 AM *To:* Cavers Texas *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold. Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we can convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ... -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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That works for me too. Find a nice place and buy it. If every caver chipped in $10 and there are at least five or six that I know of there would be a great stash of dollars. If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All, I wrote this to Allan back in ’10 and still stand by it. Keep it at the same location and weekend henceforth. Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com -- *From:* Alman, Mark @ EOS *Sent:* Monday, August 02, 2010 10:07 AM *To:* Allan Cobb *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Location for TCR Wow, Allan! (Now, Don) Sorry about all of the grief you have been receiving. Sheesh, some people! FWIW, I still like and would have liked to have seen TCR being held at Paradise Canyon this year and for the foreseeable future. It was a pain to get to and a lot longer drive for me from DFW, but, a great and beautiful location, nevertheless. Hidden Falls would be closer for me, but, I thought Paradise Canyon was a brilliant selection by you with a lot of good features, facilities, and natural beauty. The crap we go thru for all of these positions and tasks that pay absolutely nothing, huh?! Keep a stiff upper lip and I support you in whatever choice you make. Mark On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
I prefer the week before. The 15 had a lot of conflicting events for me. PC is as good as any. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Don Arburn via Texascavers Date:01/07/2015 10:31 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
From a cooking perspective I like PC as it has water and power a-plenty. Date-wise, if it was the w/e of the 23-25th then I won't cook, or turn up at all. There's your chance... Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn via Texascavers Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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El Jefe - Keeping things consistent has its appeals for the more anal retentive of us in the group. I support the third weekend of October for the date. Water is always nice at a site but not a requirement. Some of the folks from outside San Antonio and Austin might appreciate a site closer to them. For the love of all that is right with the world don't pick anything near Dallas. I've yet, in three decades on this planet to find any redeeming qualities to that place except maybe that it is not Beaumont. The mud pits around Gonzales were fun, think cavers in the mist looking for cow pie shrooms. It has also been a while since we had anything out west like Chalk Bluff though cost had previously been an issue there. The beauty of the situation is you are in charge, you will never make everyone happy and unless someone else is willing and able, we go where and when you decide. Joe P.S. Don't piss off the cooks... On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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I like Paradise Canyon. Water would be nice, but I don't spend any time boating or fishing so it is not a deal killer for me. My two cents worth. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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NOAA has posted a map on the general drought forecast through March 2015 at http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/seasonal_drought.pdf. The Paradise Canyon area is listed as “Drought remains but improves” surrounded by nearby areas of “Drought removal likely.” Looking at NOAA’s long-term precipitation predictions, the chances for rain are higher than normal through March but remain normal the rest of the year. “Normal” rainfall could put a little water into the river. I checked the website for the Texas State Climatologist, which is out of date. The last posted forecast was for August through October 2013. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Creaser via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:17 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey I already have 11ac in Bastrop. A few work weekends with lots of people should make it TCR habitable ;-) -Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Charles Loving via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:06 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey That works for me too. Find a nice place and buy it. If every caver chipped in $10 and there are at least five or six that I know of there would be a great stash of dollars. If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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I actually prefer having TCR somewhere different each year, or at least some sort of rotation. Keeps it interesting. PC is not my favorite, but it works. Third weekend in Oct sounds good. (Rockin' the boat...) ~Saj ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. Charlie, that's $12,500. If you can find a good TCR site for that, I might buy it myself.--Mixon A fearless man cannot be brave. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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What about Krause Springs? There hasn't been a TCR there since the 80's according to the cavetex site. Any reason? Weston On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Saj Zappitello via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I actually prefer having TCR somewhere different each year, or at least some sort of rotation. Keeps it interesting. PC is not my favorite, but it works. Third weekend in Oct sounds good. (Rockin' the boat...) ~Saj ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Hey Don-- Thanks again for all the hard work you do to make TCR a success. (And thanks also to Allan, Andy, Gill and other past organizers). I love Paradise Canyon--with or without water-- even though it will be more difficult to land the helicopter there. 2nd choice would be Flat Creek, followed by last year's site. But any spot, preferably with water and privacy west of the Balcones Fault, with enough cavers in attendance will be just fine. Cheers, Frank Binney On 1/7/15 10:47 AM, Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like Paradise Canyon. Water would be nice, but I don't spend any time boating or fishing so it is not a deal killer for me. My two cents worth. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Paradise Canyon, Oct 15-18 Thanks for asking, Don. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com On 1/7/2015 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote: Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR. How do y'all feel about this site? Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date. How do y'all feel about that? --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
I already have 11ac in Bastrop. A few work weekends with lots of people should make it TCR habitable ;-) -Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Charles Loving via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:06 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey That works for me too. Find a nice place and buy it. If every caver chipped in $10 and there are at least five or six that I know of there would be a great stash of dollars. If 500 cavers came up with $25 each there you go. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
