[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT


Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:05:09 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:


 - a session would mean here that you start with a synced wiki (copies) and 
 do handshakes by determining the name (convention) of the syncStatus file 
 considering the current cloud conditions


 If you use your file based handshake, you need to sync the handshake = 
 lock file. ... But this is a chicken / egg problem.
 To trigger the 3rd party syncing action you need to delete the lock file 
 on side A. - syncing is triggered, but doesn't work - So you are out of 
 sync.


Big sorry, i didn't got your point. I think my word handshake is not 
luckily chosen here. What I mean with handshake here is just an agreement 
between (2) parties how to communicate. The agreement just consists of the 
names of the syncfiles. 
!! And the important point I may have forgotten to mention explicitely is 
that the information about the syncfile of A is told to B in a meta way. 
Which means that the name of the syncfile of A is told B per comment / chat 
/ social functionality of the sync carrier (the cloud service). In a case 
where you have a single wiki in a directory in sync over a cloud service 
you have to exchange this meta information only once! In theory the meta 
thing might be not elegant. In reality it would be highly practical, 
because you only have to exchange the meta information when your team 
changes or the cloud service does - that would be really convenient.
 

  

A thinks I'm ok
 B thinks A is still locked ... The problem here is the 3rd party 
 transport. Because you can't trust it. So the locking mechanism needs to be 
 more sophisticated. ...

 - after the sync the syncfile of A has to be deleted by B and A is not 
 allowed to write a new syncfile while the old syncfile exists


 This is a typical condition for a dead lock, where both sides are 
 locked, because the delete action didn't work, for some unknown reason. 


Sorry, I did not understood that as well, perhaps my explanation above 
about the meta information brings some clarification?

  


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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT


Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:05:09 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:


 - after the sync the syncfile of A has to be deleted by B and A is not 
 allowed to write a new syncfile while the old syncfile exists


 This is a typical condition for a dead lock, where both sides are 
 locked, because the delete action didn't work, for some unknown reason. 

 -m

 
I don't see the deadlock with the information provided regarding the meta 
information exchange. 
If there is a syncfile from tw A for tw B, then tw B should delete it after:
- the syncfile was recognized (tw B could check every 10 seconds) and
-- tw B updated itself according to the syncfile from A
-- tw B does nothing, because it's already in sync

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[tw] Combining numbered and bullet lists breaks the numbering

2015-01-27 Thread Jernej Zidar
Hi everyone,
  I have recently migrated from Evernote to TiddlyWiki and I have 
enocuntered a weird problem - mainly attributed to my lack of knowledge.

  I have a numbered list that has some bullet points or sections in the 
middle like this:
# N-terminus: ACE residue
# C-terminus: NH2
# Before using pdb2gmx edit both terminals so they look like this:
#* N-terminal


```
ATOM  1  CH3 ACE 0
ATOM  2 HH31 ACE 0
ATOM  3 HH32 ACE 0
ATOM  4 HH33 ACE 0
ATOM  5  C   ACE 0
ATOM  6  O   ACE 0
```
#* C-terminal
```
ATOM 84  N   NH2 5 
ATOM 85  H1  NH2 5 
ATOM 86  H2  NH2 5 
TER  87  NH2  5
END
```


# Relax generated peptides (few hours in auto mode).

  This results in two things:
- the C-terminal subsection gets both a number (1.) and a bullet point
- the section Relax... gets the wrong number

Some Google Fu showed the following as a solution:
#mumble 
#frotz{{block{ 
...preformatted content... 
}}} 
#gronk 

But for some reason it doesn't work. I guess the fix worked for TiddlyWiki 
version 5.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Jernej

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[tw] [TW5] Let the creator field be required for every new tiddler

2015-01-27 Thread The Bo
Hello,

I'm trying to build a offline/network tiddly which is used by multiple 
users. I already found out that there is no multi-user support yet.
This is why I was thinking about a different solution:

1. Is it possible to make the creator field be required for every new 
tiddler? A new tiddler should only be saved if the creator field is filled.

2. Is it possible to create a new field modified by which is required for 
every edited tiddler?

I really appreciate your help! :)

Greetings
Tueb

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread Felix Küppers
Great job. This is definitely a highly needed plugin.
I noticed that once I use the editor, I cannot go back (ctrl+z) in my 
edit-history. Maybe it is because you replace the history somehow when you 
modify the text?

-Felix

Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 14:32:26 UTC+1 schrieb Stephen Kimmel:

 My editor prototype project is now stable enough and functional enough 
 that I feel like I can share it with the group and solicit comments and 
 discussion. It is available for inspection and play at 
 http://tw5editor.tiddlyspot.com/

 Those of you who saw the earlier, external version of the project will 
 recognize this immediately. The primary difference is that the workings are 
 now all internal now as part of a TW 5.1.8-prelease wiki. Thus, there is no 
 longer the requirement to copy and paste from the one editor window to the 
 other. The internal editor and preview work more or less the same as they 
 do in the standard version of TiddlyWiki. 

 The two primary features are a toolbar and an editor help system. The 
 toolbar with a number of buttons which trigger javascript editor functions 
 that modify the tiddler being edited. This works approximately the same as 
 Stefan and Ton's bookmarklets or Danielo's keyboard snippets. As with my 
 earlier version, the preview section may be either the preview or a group 
 of editor help tiddlers. 

 I can't recommend this for your regular use and you should treat this with 
 even more caution than you would any prerelease version of TiddlyWiki. It 
 is safe to assume there are undetected bugs and errors. I would like 
 feedback on areas you think need work or improvement. Yes, Tobias, there 
 are still quite a lot of buttons. I haven't worked out a system yet that 
 reduces those to a  more manageable number and doesn't claim excessive 
 space. As Tobias suggested, I dropped most of the help screen tabs 
 replacing them with a drop down select list. And yes, separate buttons to 
 toggle between Help and Preview may well be cleaner than the remaining tabs.


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[tw] Simple Javascript insertion in tiddlers (text/vnd.tiddlywiki)

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
Hi,
I've been playing with tiddly wiki for about a week now and let me say that 
it is really great!

But something simple I want to do but I cannot manage to find how to do it: 
Insert Javascript into a tiddler. What I want to do is use jquery datatable 
on a table I've created. First, I've put the datatable.js into the
...tw2\source\tiddlywiki\jquery folder (don't know if it should be there 
tough...) and what I would like to do is put the following code:

script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function() {
$(table).DataTable();
} );
/script

somewhere so all my tables gets the datatable touch. From what I 
understand, you cannot do that with macros since macros cannot modify the 
DOM. Am I right?

So, what is the easiest way to acheive that without playing into tiddlywiki 
core?

Thanks!

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[tw] Re: TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Felix Küppers
Good point. There are many node js projects that deal with glob 
notations. Maybe it is possible to use a node module for this purpose.

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[tw] Re: Some theme changes

2015-01-27 Thread Shash


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 9:54:54 PM UTC+5:30, Shash wrote:

 Hi All,

 I tried to change the appearance of my TW by changing the Theme tweaks. I 
 wanted to get the menu on the left side without any extra plugins or work 
 around and hence I changed these properties

 Story left position 
 Story top position 
 Story right
 Story width  
 Tiddler width

 I could achieve what I really wanted but the problem now is Seamless theme 
 doesn't seem to work. 

 Is there any way to get the seamless theme into my style sheet and get it 
 to work. The only thing i want to remove is the box around the tiddler. Any 
 help is really appreciated. 


Oops sorry, I meant the border of the tiddler here.
 


 Thanks!
 Shash


Shash 

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[tw] Re: Why is my ButtonWidget does not talk my variable???

2015-01-27 Thread Alberto Molina
Hi Jimmy,

 the button keeps creating new Tiddlers instead of using my existing ones


I don't understand. What do you want to achieve? Your button says: Create 
a new tiddler (based on a template) each time you hit the button. If 
that's not the intended behaviour, what are you expecting to get?

Regards, 

Alberto

 

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[tw] [TWC] Network Graphs/Tiddly Map

2015-01-27 Thread goodmanngl
Hey

Does anyone know if there is an equivalent to the TiddlyMap plugin that 
would work on Tiddlywiki Classic for simple network analysis of tiddlers? 
Or any equivalent tiddler tree diagrams showing relationships?

Or would it be possible at all for me to adapt the TiddlyMap plugin to work 
on TW classic?

Thanks!

Nick

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[tw] Re: Why is my ButtonWidget does not talk my variable???

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
So I was assuming that GCNETTemplate 1, ACCESSTemplate 1 or COGETemplate 1 
would have been created base on my selection. But instead I have a template 
based on the default template titled: New Tiddler

On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 13:57:22 UTC-5, Alberto Molina wrote:

 Hi Jimmy,

  the button keeps creating new Tiddlers instead of using my existing ones


 I don't understand. What do you want to achieve? Your button says: Create 
 a new tiddler (based on a template) each time you hit the button. If 
 that's not the intended behaviour, what are you expecting to get?

 Regards, 

 Alberto

  


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Re: [tw] [TW5] Static sites - sitemap and ATOM plugins updated...

2015-01-27 Thread Jim Lehmer

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:12 AM UTC-6, AlexHough wrote:

 Thanks Tobias,

 The sitemap makes it easier for google to index...

 A huge topic!


Correct. And while there is some discussion about whether they are used 
much by the search engines any more, both Google and Bing have ways to 
register your sitemap location with them, and some people want them, so I 
decided why not develop it in anticipation of being asked for it? 

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[tw] Re: Why is my ButtonWidget does not talk my variable???

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
Sorry for not being clear.
What I want to do is having all templates listed in a select widget. Based 
on the selection made, when I push the button, the corresponding templates 
(tiddler) is created. A bit like the task example but since I have many 
Templates to choose from, I put them in a select box instead of having one 
button per template.

On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 13:57:22 UTC-5, Alberto Molina wrote:

 Hi Jimmy,

  the button keeps creating new Tiddlers instead of using my existing ones


 I don't understand. What do you want to achieve? Your button says: Create 
 a new tiddler (based on a template) each time you hit the button. If 
 that's not the intended behaviour, what are you expecting to get?

 Regards, 

 Alberto

  


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #76 will be on Tuesday 6th January at 4pm GMT

2015-01-27 Thread Jim Lehmer
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 9:51:41 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 TiddlyWiki Hangout #77 is about to start.


Thanks for posting this today or I would've missed the call. I am still not 
getting invites. 

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[tw] Re: Simple Javascript insertion in tiddlers (text/vnd.tiddlywiki)

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
Hi Jimmy, 

TiddlyWiki 5 doesn't use jQuery anymore. 

script tags in the tiddler source are not executed, due to security 
restrictions. 

The tw2/source tree is only there to test the TWclassic build procedure. 

Can you explain, what you want to achieve?

-mario

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[tw] Theme tweaks for TableOfContentsMacro

2015-01-27 Thread Shash
Hi all,

I am trying to use the Tabbed version of TableOfContentsMacro. I wish to 
change the background of the tabs.. Is there a easy way to achieve this 
with stylesheets.

Thanks!
Shash

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[tw] Re: Citations from Google Scholar

2015-01-27 Thread Stephan Hradek
I think this could also well be solved with a bookmarklet.

Paste the text into the tiddler's body and execute the bookmarklet, which 
will then pick the text and distribute it into the appropriate fields.

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 2:06:48 AM UTC+1, NT wrote:

 Regarding to the context of your seafile presentation:
 1. Looks like you worked with tiddlywiki on node.js in seafile, since I 
 saw multiple separated files for each tiddler - did you (I did not yet, 
 only have read about)?


yes, it was a nodejs version, where every tiddler is a single file. The TW 
server has a very very basic store handling, which is not designed for 
multi users. 
 

 2. That the inconsistent (conflict) file is brought up by seafile is nice, 
 but do you get noticed about that?


You don't. If you reload the page, you'll see, that there are conflicting 
files. ... But TW doesn't have an easy mechanism to see the differences. 
... So some manual work needs to be done, resolving the conflicts.
 

 2.1 Say you have 300 tiddlers aka 300 files - you'll not be able to 
 discover on your own when a new conflict file will appear among them. So do 
 you get a notice of the conflict?


Page reload.
 

 3. Another question regarding node.js and multiple files - is that working 
 on ios and android as well?


I don't think, that nodejs works on IOS. I'm not sure about android. ... 
IMO If you need mobile access, you can use TW apps. There are some of them, 
but I don't know the links. ... There is no server side atm, to sync and 
resolve conflicts.
 

 4. Is multiuser editing considered at all in the design of tw5? 


This is not a design decision on the client. .. The client has so called 
sync adaptors, that can work with any backend. ... We need a __real__ 
server side backend + store.  The problem is, that most users want to use a 
file based backend, because they are familiar with it. ... But file systems 
are not very good if you need to edit them at the same time. 
 

 Because I only saw that you can enter the username in the properties of 
 tw5, but whoever edits the wiki afterwards does it with the pre-entered 
 user name if she's paying no attention - that's not relyable.


That would be solvable with some UI changes. 

Hope that helps.

I'll need to read Tobias post and may post some more thoughts there. 

have fun!
mario


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[tw] Re: Combining numbered and bullet lists breaks the numbering

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer


 Some Google Fu showed the following as a solution *{{block{ ...}}}*


that's TWc, indeed

  I have a numbered list that has some bullet points or sections in the 
 middle like this


You need to wrap the stuff you want nested in html elements. You can either 
use pre directly...

# N-terminus: ACE residue
# C-terminus: NH2
# Before using pdb2gmx edit both terminals so they look like this:
#* N-terminalpreATOM  1  CH3 ACE 0
ATOM  2 HH31 ACE 0
ATOM  3 HH32 ACE 0
ATOM  4 HH33 ACE 0
ATOM  5  C   ACE 0
ATOM  6  O   ACE 0
/pre
#* C-terminalpreATOM 84  N   NH2 5 
ATOM 85  H1  NH2 5 
ATOM 86  H2  NH2 5 
TER  87  NH2  5
END
/pre
# Relax generated peptides (few hours in auto mode).

or...

# N-terminus: ACE residue
# C-terminus: NH2
# Before using pdb2gmx edit both terminals so they look like this:
#* N-terminalp

```
ATOM  1  CH3 ACE 0
ATOM  2 HH31 ACE 0
ATOM  3 HH32 ACE 0
ATOM  4 HH33 ACE 0
ATOM  5  C   ACE 0
ATOM  6  O   ACE 0
```
/p
#* C-terminalp

```
ATOM 84  N   NH2 5 
ATOM 85  H1  NH2 5 
ATOM 86  H2  NH2 5 
TER  87  NH2  5
END
```
/p
# Relax generated peptides (few hours in auto mode).

Whereas those newlines in the second example (before the initial backticks) 
*is* important, unfortunately.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 8:00:41 AM UTC-6, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Great job. This is definitely a highly needed plugin.
 I noticed that once I use the editor, I cannot go back (ctrl+z) in my 
 edit-history. Maybe it is because you replace the history somehow when you 
 modify the text?

 -Felix


The Ctrl-Z function is intrinsic to Firefox and perhaps other browsers. It 
appears to be immune to both my macros and the others I've tried. My guess 
is that it is a key logger and apparently it doesn't interpret macro 
actions as keystrokes. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Tons of questions, new user.

2015-01-27 Thread Arc Acorn
To be fair it's not GG fault you can't edit your post
I have made my own testing GG and you can easily allow people to edit their 
post, you are just not allowed to here. 

GG is actually a really nice and advanced system, if whomever is running it 
wants it to be.

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 Welcome Brandon,

 Please bear with us

 Alex

 On 26 January 2015 at 19:23, Brandon Sergent brandon...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 So I can delete the post but not edit it. God I hate GG. Party like it's 
 1990.

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[tw] Re: TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
I sould like to hear something from the core-gurus. 
Thank you all.

El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:52:09 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:

 loadTiddlersFromFile calls deserializeTiddlers passing the extension as 
 type. And the deserializeTiddlers function imports the file even if the 
 extension is not recognized, treating it as a plain text file, so every 
 file should be imported. Then, why it is not importing all the files inside 
 the tiddlers file, or even better, all the tiddlers specify on the 
 defualt-tiddlers-location option?

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:43:14 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
 escribió:

 loadTiddlersFromFile seems to rely on the registered extensions to load 
 a tiddler. Based on this information, I think at least mp3,pnj,jpg, and 
 basically all file types that TW can understand should be correctly 
 included as tiddlers. But this is not happening, and I don't understand 
 why. Dioes anyone have any clue? 

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:15:33 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
 escribió:

 Meta files can be also used, which are easier to build, but they did not 
 accept relative notation, so we are facing a similar problem.
 I found that in the core there is a map on file types based on its 
 extension:


 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/7abe9aa53d9b1ec19e2afe1c5ace1c7633b0d5ce/boot/boot.js#L1748

 But it does not see to work when scanning folders. Maybe a boot module 
 for that is enough, but I would like to see any example. Is there any part 
 of the core that does something similar? Where is the code that scans the 
 tiddlers folder recursively?

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:03:17 (UTC+1), Felix Küppers escribió:

 Good point. There are many node js projects that deal with glob 
 notations. Maybe it is possible to use a node module for this purpose.



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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki


 I'm working in a Windows 7 environment with Firefox 35.0... which I 
 believe is the latest. I get the double click selects the word and code 
 adds the backticks but I don't see them disappearing. I wonder if this is 
 something specific to Windows 8.1. hmmm 


Well Mario, now I'm seeing it.  It seems to hit me about every other time I 
do the edit the way you suggest which I suspect is the sort of behaviour 
that drives programmers up a wall. I'll have to pursue this. Thanks for 
pointing that out.

Did you try the last three buttons as well? They take a more extensive 
selection than you'd get with a double click and work somewhat differently.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
I did some test with FF latest, win 8.1

I edit the Test tiddler. 

Double click any word ... selects the word
click code  ... adds the backticks for about on seconds and removes it 
again. :/
Same behaviour with all buttons, I tested.


Editor Preview is deactivated, since I don't need it. 

-m

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[tw] Re: Can I have ribbon on a specific tiddler?

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
Not yet. IMO this would be a plugin.

-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Let the creator field be required for every new tiddler

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
If you enter a name at the control panel [1]. TW will assign the fields. 

There is a creator and modifier field, but the existence of the user name 
is not enforced. 

-m

[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel

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Re: [tw] Re: Tons of questions, new user.

2015-01-27 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Arc

To be fair it's not GG fault you can't edit your post
 I have made my own testing GG and you can easily allow people to edit
 their post, you are just not allowed to here.


OK, thanks for letting us know. I'd not seen the permissions settings in
Google Groups, but you're right, it is possible to enable the ability to
edit ones own posts and a bunch of other options. I'll make some changes
and write a separate post summarising them.

Best wishes

Jeremy





 GG is actually a really nice and advanced system, if whomever is running
 it wants it to be.

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 Welcome Brandon,

 Please bear with us

 Alex

 On 26 January 2015 at 19:23, Brandon Sergent brandon...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So I can delete the post but not edit it. God I hate GG. Party like it's
 1990.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 2:39:07 PM UTC-6, PMario wrote:

 I did some test with FF latest, win 8.1

 I edit the Test tiddler. 

 Double click any word ... selects the word
 click code  ... adds the backticks for about on seconds and removes it 
 again. :/
 Same behaviour with all buttons, I tested.


 Editor Preview is deactivated, since I don't need it. 

 -m


I'm working in a Windows 7 environment with Firefox 35.0... which I believe 
is the latest. I get the double click selects the word and code adds the 
backticks but I don't see them disappearing. I wonder if this is something 
specific to Windows 8.1. hmmm 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #76 will be on Tuesday 6th January at 4pm GMT

2015-01-27 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jim

Thanks for posting this today or I would've missed the call. I am still not
 getting invites.


You're definitely in my TiddlyWiki circle, which usually means you'd
receive the invitations. Perhaps there's some G+ settings getting in the
way? I'll send the invite for #78 shortly, let me know if you don't get it
around the same time that the invitation post shows up in the Google group.

Best wishes

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[tw] Re: Why is my ButtonWidget does not talk my variable???

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
I figured it out.

thanks

On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 14:05:45 UTC-5, Jimmy Armand wrote:

 So I was assuming that GCNETTemplate 1, ACCESSTemplate 1 or COGETemplate 
 1 would have been created base on my selection. But instead I have a 
 template based on the default template titled: New Tiddler

 On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 13:57:22 UTC-5, Alberto Molina wrote:

 Hi Jimmy,

  the button keeps creating new Tiddlers instead of using my existing ones


 I don't understand. What do you want to achieve? Your button says: 
 Create a new tiddler (based on a template) each time you hit the button. 
 If that's not the intended behaviour, what are you expecting to get?

 Regards, 

 Alberto

  



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[tw] [TW5] Let the creator field be required for every new tiddler

2015-01-27 Thread Andrew
I don't know if it might be helpful, but in TWC with Internet Explorer in 
Windows I figured out how to automatically set it using 
ActiveXObject(WScript.Network);. It is one of my future projects to convert 
to TW5. This and includeplugin and tiddlylock. 
http://t5a.tiddlyspot.com/#zSetting%20UserName%20using%20z_configOptions%20in%20TWC%20on%20Internet%20Explorer%209%20in%20Windows%207
 

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[tw] Re: Simple Javascript insertion in tiddlers (text/vnd.tiddlywiki)

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
I never actually looked at the core to find what disables script tags. I'd 
be curious to figure out how to enable them. Anyone wanting to mess with 
your data would do the same thing. I prefer to know myself how that's done.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TWC] Network Graphs/Tiddly Map

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
Not a diagram, but a tool.
Click *x-plore* in the toolbar.

http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Configure a default 'new tiddler'

2015-01-27 Thread Bill Denbigh
I would like to create a 'default style' for a new tiddler, when i press 
the + button i want the tiddler to open with some text already completed, 
simple stuff like headings and created date and such. I'm sure there is a 
simple way of doing it but for the life of me i can't find it, can someone 
please direct me to the correct location to look for the information / 
keywords to search on / anything... :)

Thanks, Bill

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[tw] Re: TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
loadTiddlersFromFile seems to rely on the registered extensions to load a 
tiddler. Based on this information, I think at least mp3,pnj,jpg, and 
basically all file types that TW can understand should be correctly 
included as tiddlers. But this is not happening, and I don't understand 
why. Dioes anyone have any clue? 

El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:15:33 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:

 Meta files can be also used, which are easier to build, but they did not 
 accept relative notation, so we are facing a similar problem.
 I found that in the core there is a map on file types based on its 
 extension:


 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/7abe9aa53d9b1ec19e2afe1c5ace1c7633b0d5ce/boot/boot.js#L1748

 But it does not see to work when scanning folders. Maybe a boot module for 
 that is enough, but I would like to see any example. Is there any part of 
 the core that does something similar? Where is the code that scans the 
 tiddlers folder recursively?

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:03:17 (UTC+1), Felix Küppers escribió:

 Good point. There are many node js projects that deal with glob 
 notations. Maybe it is possible to use a node module for this purpose.



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[tw] Re: TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
loadTiddlersFromFile calls deserializeTiddlers passing the extension as 
type. And the deserializeTiddlers function imports the file even if the 
extension is not recognized, treating it as a plain text file, so every 
file should be imported. Then, why it is not importing all the files inside 
the tiddlers file, or even better, all the tiddlers specify on the 
defualt-tiddlers-location option?

El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:43:14 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:

 loadTiddlersFromFile seems to rely on the registered extensions to load a 
 tiddler. Based on this information, I think at least mp3,pnj,jpg, and 
 basically all file types that TW can understand should be correctly 
 included as tiddlers. But this is not happening, and I don't understand 
 why. Dioes anyone have any clue? 

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:15:33 (UTC+1), Danielo Rodríguez 
 escribió:

 Meta files can be also used, which are easier to build, but they did not 
 accept relative notation, so we are facing a similar problem.
 I found that in the core there is a map on file types based on its 
 extension:


 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/7abe9aa53d9b1ec19e2afe1c5ace1c7633b0d5ce/boot/boot.js#L1748

 But it does not see to work when scanning folders. Maybe a boot module 
 for that is enough, but I would like to see any example. Is there any part 
 of the core that does something similar? Where is the code that scans the 
 tiddlers folder recursively?

 El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:03:17 (UTC+1), Felix Küppers escribió:

 Good point. There are many node js projects that deal with glob 
 notations. Maybe it is possible to use a node module for this purpose.



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[tw] Re: TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Meta files can be also used, which are easier to build, but they did not 
accept relative notation, so we are facing a similar problem.
I found that in the core there is a map on file types based on its 
extension:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/7abe9aa53d9b1ec19e2afe1c5ace1c7633b0d5ce/boot/boot.js#L1748

But it does not see to work when scanning folders. Maybe a boot module for 
that is enough, but I would like to see any example. Is there any part of 
the core that does something similar? Where is the code that scans the 
tiddlers folder recursively?

El martes, 27 de enero de 2015, 15:03:17 (UTC+1), Felix Küppers escribió:

 Good point. There are many node js projects that deal with glob 
 notations. Maybe it is possible to use a node module for this purpose.


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[tw] Re: Simple Javascript insertion in tiddlers (text/vnd.tiddlywiki)

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
Jimmy,

The $Macrocall is the main pathway to a complex javascript. When I did my 
marathoning tiddler, I used a number of different ways of creating tables 
using the $macrocall javascripts. One approach was to have each cell make 
the $macrocall passing the appropriate parameters to the javascript. The 
other approach was to have a single $macrocall in the destination tiddler 
where I wanted the table and have the javascript create the table as its 
output. There are weaknesses to both approaches and I'm certain that there 
are more elegant ways of accomplishing that.

One possibility you might want to consider using, depending on just what 
you want to accomplish, is Danielo's Editable-Tables. In that approach, 
each line of the table refers to a separate tiddler and each cell is a 
field stored in that tiddler. I use the editable-tables a lot.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:09:18 PM UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel wrote:


 Did you try the last three buttons as well? They take a more extensive 
 selection than you'd get with a double click and work somewhat differently.


No. .. 

There seems to be a problem with your view template too. If you switch 
preview mode off. there is a /$list artefact below the edit text area. 
... 

-m
 

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Of course, separating data  logic is a meaningful thing in most scenarios, 
but that does not answer my current questions.

Ok, to be a bit more constructive some minds on sync from my side...

If we speak about distribution on file level (in the cloud) the question is 
if it's neccessary to do that separation of data  logic on file level as 
well. One would think so. 
But I like the 1 file approach of tw5 very much and would not like to give 
it up if it's not really neccessary - it makes things very handy at all.

If somebody would ask me for a blueprint of file level syncing of TW5 in a 
efficient but also simple way I would suggest the following:
- keep things simple with the single file approach - over disadvantages it 
has many advantages

- on sync side A:
-- use the TW5 autosave capabilities to do not a save but an export of a 
file (call it syncStatusA) that has the following contents
--- the logic to say what has changed (tiddler updated)
--- the data that changed (tiddler data)
-- the exported file will be automatically synced (if thats possible) by 
the cloud service client you are using (it's possible in mine)
- on sync side B:
-- use the TW5 autosave logic to do an import (read) instead of an export 
(if that's possible???)
-- look for a exported file that has also been synced in the current file 
space (the syncStatusA file) and import it 
-- maybe a file naming convention for the syncStatus file is neccessary  
sufficient here, but a property inside tiddlywiki describing the exact name 
of the import file for the current session would do it

- if you don't want to think about the implications by working with both 
wikis on sides A  B on one and the same syncStatus file, then you have to 
choose a different name for the import and the export file of one wiki - or 
respectively, choose a different name of the syncStatus import/export file 
on both sides A  B - then you have a handshake, don't you?!
- naming the import  export file different would be meaningful to make the 
sync robust for the unknown conditions of the cloud service (sometimes 
there's automatic file versioning, etc.)
- so finally, the names of the files could be syncStatusA and syncStatusB 
and they would be synced by the cloud service and carry the information and 
data what has changed and will be imported automatically 
- and with minimal manual interaction of an handshake for a session you 
could have a synced tw5
- a session would mean here that you start with a synced wiki (copies) and 
do handshakes by determining the name (convention) of the syncStatus file 
considering the current cloud conditions
- after the sync the syncfile of A has to be deleted by B and A is not 
allowed to write a new syncfile while the old syncfile exists
-- that would work for a little number (10?) of team members, at least for 
2, wouldn't it?
- if you are more than 2 - say 10 - and you need for technical tw reasons 
not the naming convention but the exact name of the syncStatus file, then 
you would need the possibility to tell your tw not only one import/export 
naming convention of the syncfile, but 10 
- in this case after updating a tiddler on side A nine (9) syncfiles will 
be created for the team members
- so sync should be possible this way for small teams and I think you could 
put that functionality into a plugin
- this would keep things quite handy for a 3 person team and would be a 
large benefit in workflow

Perhaps Jeremy has a another comment on that?
Regards, NT

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[tw] Citations from Google Scholar

2015-01-27 Thread Alberto Molina
Very interesting. 

Thanks Alex and all, 

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:32:08 AM UTC+1, NT wrote:

 If somebody would ask me for a blueprint of file level syncing of TW5 in a 
 efficient but also simple way I would suggest the following:
 - keep things simple with the single file approach - over disadvantages it 
 has many advantages


Your description is OK, on a very high level, where every thing works, but 
the problem is in the detail. Like: In theory there is no difference 
between theory and reality. In reality there is!

I'm just picking one simple detail: handshake

- a session would mean here that you start with a synced wiki (copies) and 
 do handshakes by determining the name (convention) of the syncStatus file 
 considering the current cloud conditions


If you use your file based handshake, you need to sync the handshake = 
lock file. ... But this is a chicken / egg problem.
To trigger the 3rd party syncing action you need to delete the lock file 
on side A. - syncing is triggered, but doesn't work - So you are out of 
sync.

A thinks I'm ok
B thinks A is still locked ... The problem here is the 3rd party transport. 
Because you can't trust it. So the locking mechanism needs to be more 
sophisticated. ...

- after the sync the syncfile of A has to be deleted by B and A is not 
 allowed to write a new syncfile while the old syncfile exists


This is a typical condition for a dead lock, where both sides are locked, 
because the delete action didn't work, for some unknown reason. 

-m

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer


 When I started tiddlydrive that was my goal. Currently the project is 
 frozen, but you can check it out at  
 http://danielo515.github.io/TiddlyDrive4Community Basically is a single 
 file HTML that syncs from and to google drive.


With all the little unresolved (and unresolvable) bits and pieces ...this 
is much more tenable for multiuser than anything truly single-file can be. 
I would not call it single-file, though ...because that's not what it is.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Trouble importing plugins

2015-01-27 Thread Pedro Lobo
Great, thanks BJ

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:33:06 AM UTC, Pedro Lobo wrote:

 Hi Everybody,

 I'm rather new to TiddlyWiki, but it looks promising so I decided to give 
 it a try for a while. I opted to got the server route, installed it via NPM 
 and have it up and running. However, I've stumbled upon something that 
 could possibly be a deal breaker:

 I prefer to do my writing using Markdown (hate Wiki text). When trying to 
 import the Markdown plugin, it simply fails. Rather than the expected 
 result, I get this instead of the plugin: 
 http://ds.lobo.li/Screen-Shot-2015-01-22-at-11.31.48/

 Any help would greatly be appreciated.


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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT

Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:

 2. That the inconsistent (conflict) file is brought up by seafile is nice, 
 but do you get noticed about that?


 You don't. If you reload the page, you'll see, that there are conflicting 
 files. ... But TW doesn't have an easy mechanism to see the differences. 
 ... So some manual work needs to be done, resolving the conflicts.
  

 2.1 Say you have 300 tiddlers aka 300 files - you'll not be able to 
 discover on your own when a new conflict file will appear among them. So do 
 you get a notice of the conflict?


 Page reload.


Sorry, I was speaking here about the seafile service and not about tw. But 
I think you mean a page reload inside seafile as well. That's what I mean 
is a problem.
1. you have to do a page reload
2. i don't think that you recognize one more file (the conflict file) among 
300 other files in meaningful time without to get noticed by seafile. 
Do you get noticed be seafile??

 

 3. Another question regarding node.js and multiple files - is that 
 working on ios and android as well?


 I don't think, that nodejs works on IOS. I'm not sure about android. ... 
 IMO If you need mobile access, you can use TW apps. There are some of them, 
 but I don't know the links. ... There is no server side atm, to sync and 
 resolve conflicts.

 
Then is mobile use not possible on side B when on side A there is the 
node.js version running with multiple files getting synced to A??
I am using TW apps for mobile access right now, but i am working with the 
single file tw at the moment - and it's quite handy.

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 3:53:50 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 I think with all these shared / collaboration concepts one thing is key:

 separating the wiki(s) from the store(s)


right.
 

 For collaboration around TiddlyWiki, the single-file paradigm is 
 essentially untenable,


The point here is, that our users want it. They refuse to use server 
backends, because managing them seems to be to complicated. 
 

 not just for the simple reason that to currently push 1 byte of changed 
 tiddler
 you my need to push +2mb of changed wiki... unless you're using a pretty 
 vulnerable node server.


That's not really a problem. Most servers use gzip before the send a file. 
So you have about 400kByte over the wire. ... One photo on a decent mobile 
phone has about 3MByte atm. Since it is jpeg it can't be compressed 
anymore. ... So imo file size isn't the main problem. 

But you are right. Sending 400k to change 1 byte is kind of an overkill :) 

I still think the idea that Jeremy had with a decent export / import 
mechanism + UI is a good one which would fit for many users. 
eg: 
You have a local TW copy, where you made some changes.
A friend gives you access to his modified version.
You drag  drop import it to your TW
- new -
You get an UI, that tells you 80% of the tiddlers are the same. They are 
not listed. 

You get a list of tiddlers, that you modified
You get a list of tiddlers, that he modified  + UI described below.
You get a list of conflicting tiddlers, because both modified them.  
Here we need a better UI, that let's us see the differences, and let us 
resolve them. 


I'm sure there are quite some users, that would be happy with this 
mechanism, because it has no dependencies. It's extremely simple. An if you 
only did eg: 10 small changes in the text. Resolving will be fast too. 

part 1 may be more to follow
-m

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Mario, please have a look at my comment to Tobias post as well. Thanks :)

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote:


 Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:


 Page reload.


 Sorry, I was speaking here about the seafile service and not about tw. But 
 I think you mean a page reload inside seafile as well. That's what I mean 
 is a problem.
 1. you have to do a page reload
 2. i don't think that you recognize one more file (the conflict file) 
 among 300 other files in meaningful time without to get noticed by seafile. 
 Do you get noticed be seafile??


No seafile syncs, but the nodejs server doesn't push this info to the 
client. So the client needs to do a page reload, to see the changes.  

How should seafile send a notice to the browser client. It doesn't know 
about it. It's a file sync service. 

-m


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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



 2.1 Say you have 300 tiddlers aka 300 files - you'll not be able to 
 discover on your own when a new conflict file will appear among them. So do 
 you get a notice of the conflict?


 Page reload.


No, that does not work. 

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez


 If somebody would ask me for a blueprint of file level syncing of TW5 in a 
 efficient but also simple way I would suggest the following:
 - keep things simple with the single file approach - over disadvantages it 
 has many advantages

 - on sync side A:
 -- use the TW5 autosave capabilities to do not a save but an export of a 
 file (call it syncStatusA) that has the following contents
 --- the logic to say what has changed (tiddler updated)
 --- the data that changed (tiddler data)
 -- the exported file will be automatically synced (if thats possible) by 
 the cloud service client you are using (it's possible in mine)
 - on sync side B:
 -- use the TW5 autosave logic to do an import (read) instead of an export 
 (if that's possible???)
 -- look for a exported file that has also been synced in the current file 
 space (the syncStatusA file) and import it 
 -- maybe a file naming convention for the syncStatus file is neccessary  
 sufficient here, but a property inside tiddlywiki describing the exact name 
 of the import file for the current session would do it



When I started tiddlydrive that was my goal. Currently the project is 
frozen, but you can check it out at 
 http://danielo515.github.io/TiddlyDrive4Community Basically is a single 
file HTML that syncs from and to google drive.

Regards.

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[tw] Re: Citations from Google Scholar

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Alberto,

I take it you handle your references and citations by manually creating 
tiddlers.
Correct? Ever tried to make bibtex references available in TiddlyWiki?
(How) Do you handle footnotes / reference lists?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote:

 Then is mobile use not possible on side B when on side A there is the 
 node.js version running with multiple files getting synced to A??


IMO not really possible
 

 I am using TW apps for mobile access right now, but i am working with the 
 single file tw at the moment - and it's quite handy.


Yes. The single file approach has some really big advantages and its on 
thing, which makes TW unique. 

-m 

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer


 I'm sure there are quite some users, that would be happy with this 
 mechanism, because it has no dependencies. It's extremely simple. An if you 
 only did eg: 10 small changes in the text. Resolving will be fast too. 


Yes, an improved manual importer makes total sense.
The problem here is, though, that we're not having or wanting multiple 
wikis.
At the end of the day, you want one wiki all share.

So, perhaps, for a minimalist multi-user environment,
there need to be two masters...

   - a *master wiki*
  - this is where all edits end are merged into
   - a *master editor*
  - the one who merges all commits into it
   
Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Configure a default 'new tiddler'

2015-01-27 Thread Jed Carty
I don't think that there is any configuration for the new tiddler button. 
The tiddler that defines the New Tiddler button is 
$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler so if you want to make a version that uses a 
template than just clone that tiddler, give it a new name and specify a 
template for it.

To do that you just need to create a template tiddler that has the text and 
whatever you want the new tiddlers to have, and then close the new tiddler 
button and add 'param=NewTiddlerTemplate' to the button widget (assuming 
that you named your template tiddler NewTiddlerTemplate). Change the 
'caption' field of the new tiddler to some name like 'My New Tiddler 
Button' to distinguish between it and the old one, then in 
controlpanel-appearance-toolbars-page toolbar check the box next to your 
new tiddler (it will be listed by whatever name you entered into the 
caption field) and uncheck the box next to the normal new tiddler button.

Then if you ever want to change what is in new tiddlers you can edit 
NewTiddlerTemplate to update it.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread Andrew
I know you are looking for feedback, so here goes. Your edit toolbar is 
cool. Most essential though if anyone is going to use it would be *undo*. I 
showed it to several non tiddlywiki people and they said abandon wiki 
markup and go straight to html. The business world does not use wiki 
markup. Tiddlywiki will always have markup as far as I know, but people who 
don't use and wont use markup will use this if it is user friendly. I have 
always wondered why we have an edit window with markup and a preview 
instead of an editable preview with a toolbar like your's and a separate 
editable code preview if you wanted to type it in html code or markup. 
Anyway, I will be following this tread waiting for an *undo* button or 
Ctrl-z to work.

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 8:38:24 PM UTC-7, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 Mario,

 I greatly appreciate your indulgence and your assistance. If I may I would 
 like to impose one more time and ask you to try again. I have made two 
 corrections which I believe have taken care of both problems but a fresh 
 set of eyes is almost always a good idea.

 http://tw5editor.tiddlyspot.com/

 And though I know you don't need to be reminded but Firefox sometimes uses 
 the old cached copy so to avoid confusion, remember to do the reload.

 Thank you again.


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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Stephan Hradek
Could you please post a fully (non-)working example? I have difficulties in 
understanding what you're trying to do by just looking at an image. I'd 
prefer to be able to play around a bit with real data and not try to make 
up test data which I made up on my own and which need not match what you 
had in mind.

I'm especially extremely astonished about this part: 
[title[$:/tmp/findby]!section[Any]] What do you think should this do? I 
have no clue what the meaning should be. Especially because there is no 
such filter like section.

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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2015 08:42:13 UTC+1 schrieb Stephan Hradek:

 Could you please post a fully (non-)working example? I have difficulties 
 in understanding what you're trying to do by just looking at an image. I'd 
 prefer to be able to play around a bit with real data and not try to make 
 up test data which I made up on my own and which need not match what you 
 had in mind.

 I'm especially extremely astonished about this part: 
 [title[$:/tmp/findby]!section[Any]] What do you think should this do? I 
 have no clue what the meaning should be. Especially because there is no 
 such filter like section.


P.S. Maybe I know! that part means: Get the tiddler  titled $:/tmp/findby 
but only if it's field section does not contain Any!?

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[tw] Re: Can I have ribbon on a specific tiddler?

2015-01-27 Thread Jed Carty
Wouldn't this be a conditional view template problem? 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Conditional%20ViewTemplate%20Section

I don't know the details of how to define placement or anything like that 
for the ribbon, but once you have what you want displayed the link shows 
how to only display it on selected tiddlers

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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Alan Finger
Thanks for some good ideas! I may be missing it but is there a way to set 
the value of a field programmatically? The action-setfield widget only 
works inside a button.

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:26:43 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:

 If you know what the filters will be you can use the select widget to set 
 a field to the entire filter string and use a text reference for the 
 filters.

 $select field='filter_field'
 option value='[!is[tag]!is[system]]'Some name/option
 option value='[!is[tag]!is[system]]'Another name/option
 /$select

 /$select

 $list filter={{!!filter_field}}

 /$list

 Where you add an option to the select widget for each filter string.

 If you need more flexibility you could have a sequence of selections that 
 build a string for the filter operators. Like the examples here, but each 
 selection would set a filter operator instead of part of a url 
 http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Concatenating%20text%20to%20make%20dynamic%20URLs

 Does that help?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Next stop on the railroad

2015-01-27 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Michael, 

 Is there a way to make the text in a single box (single railroad car?) 
multi-line?

I'd asked myself the same question, but the answer is: not without 
rewriting most of the underlying library 
https://github.com/tabatkins/railroad-diagrams.

What you *can* do is break a large diagram into smaller diagrams, and have 
a master diagram that merely contains links to the smaller ones.

– æ

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[tw] Can I have ribbon on a specific tiddler?

2015-01-27 Thread James
Hi all,

Just want to ask would it be possible to have ribbon on selective 
toddler in TW5?

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT


Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:08:44 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:

 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote:


 Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:


 Page reload.


 Sorry, I was speaking here about the seafile service and not about tw. 
 But I think you mean a page reload inside seafile as well. That's what I 
 mean is a problem.
 1. you have to do a page reload
 2. i don't think that you recognize one more file (the conflict file) 
 among 300 other files in meaningful time without to get noticed by seafile. 
 Do you get noticed be seafile??


 No seafile syncs, but the nodejs server doesn't push this info to the 
 client. So the client needs to do a page reload, to see the changes.  

 How should seafile send a notice to the browser client. It doesn't know 
 about it. It's a file sync service. 

 -m


I think we're speaking about different thinks in this post. And I think 
it's a bit my fault because I have no clue about nodejs with tw.
The case I wanted to describe :
- a synced wiki in the cloud (single or multiple files not so important 
here)
- A begins a change
- B beginns a change
- A saves a change
- entire tw A or only one tiddler of it is synced
- B saves a changes
- entire tw B or only one tiddler of it is synced and overwrites the 
changes of A 
- if we are lucky and have the right cloud service the version of A is 
saved as a conflict file by the cloud service and also synced to B

Thats what I understood from your hangout what seafile does. Do I got it 
wrong??
And then my question:
Does seafile notice me about the conflict or does it only deliver the 
'lost' version to me (I am B)?

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[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer


 I don't see the deadlock with the information provided regarding the meta 
 information exchange. 
 If there is a syncfile from tw A for tw B, then tw B should delete it 
 after:
 - the syncfile was recognized (tw B could check every 10 seconds) and
 -- tw B updated itself according to the syncfile from A
 -- tw B does nothing, because it's already in sync


What if you have three users, or four, or five? What if their browser is 
down for lunch / over night / during vacation / during the weekend? ...with 
pending changes? Try not to think of TiddlyWikis as running without a user 
and a browser... they don't, unless they come with a server. They could do 
some background talky-talky in an open browser session, but doing 
background merging and also pushing syncfiles without user interaction?!? I 
don't think so.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
My editor prototype project is now stable enough and functional enough that 
I feel like I can share it with the group and solicit comments and 
discussion. It is available for inspection and play at 
http://tw5editor.tiddlyspot.com/

Those of you who saw the earlier, external version of the project will 
recognize this immediately. The primary difference is that the workings are 
now all internal now as part of a TW 5.1.8-prelease wiki. Thus, there is no 
longer the requirement to copy and paste from the one editor window to the 
other. The internal editor and preview work more or less the same as they 
do in the standard version of TiddlyWiki. 

The two primary features are a toolbar and an editor help system. The 
toolbar with a number of buttons which trigger javascript editor functions 
that modify the tiddler being edited. This works approximately the same as 
Stefan and Ton's bookmarklets or Danielo's keyboard snippets. As with my 
earlier version, the preview section may be either the preview or a group 
of editor help tiddlers. 

I can't recommend this for your regular use and you should treat this with 
even more caution than you would any prerelease version of TiddlyWiki. It 
is safe to assume there are undetected bugs and errors. I would like 
feedback on areas you think need work or improvement. Yes, Tobias, there 
are still quite a lot of buttons. I haven't worked out a system yet that 
reduces those to a  more manageable number and doesn't claim excessive 
space. As Tobias suggested, I dropped most of the help screen tabs 
replacing them with a drop down select list. And yes, separate buttons to 
toggle between Help and Preview may well be cleaner than the remaining tabs.

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[tw] TW5 rules to import files based on its extension.

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello

I think this have been disused some times in the forum, probably on the dev 
space, but I think my question deserves a new entry.

Now that I have the server version working under node-webkit, I would like 
to use it as an index of many folders. My idea is to create a 
tiddlywiki.info on every folder I want to include on the index. Then I just 
have to use the include-wikis parameter in my index wiki.

I want this to act without any other modification to the folder structure 
than including the tiddlywiki.info file and maybe a tiddlywiki.files. 
Something like the hidden .git folder that GIT creates. But, I'm facing one 
problem: the default-tiddler-location configuration of the 
tiddlywiki.info file that is being imported is ignored by the wiki that 
imports it. I can live with that because the tiddlywiki.files file accepts 
relative routes. So I can create a tiddlers sub-folder and put there *only 
the tiddlywiki.files file pointing to the files on the parent folder. *The 
only problem with this is that I have to add manually all the files to the 
tiddlywiki.files file. Is not any way to specify a wildcard on it? Or 
maybe a set of rules to say how to show those files as a tiddler?

*Thank you very much. *

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[tw] Re: Citations from Google Scholar

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer


 The real text of my thesis is almost finished (using Libreoffice + 
 Zotero). 


I imagined something like that, thanks for the feedback.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #76 will be on Tuesday 6th January at 4pm GMT

2015-01-27 Thread Jeremy Ruston
TiddlyWiki Hangout #77 is about to start.

Watch or post questions at
https://plus.google.com/events/c0p3611c2m3l7kiml57243v9amk

Or join in at:

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYemPckCG4OSRn1ktizd5xUYzTXx8Ms6esUj1_LjbyRT6RtXvA

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:28 PM, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 annotations: http://hangouts.tiddlyspace.com/#HangOut_076
 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUtfd0gA_jk

 have fun
 mario




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[tw] Re: Tiddler Sticky Notepads? Tag stickers?

2015-01-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
You guys must have some industrial strength stickies if they're able to 
stick to attic rafters. My experience with stickies is that they always end 
up on the ground somewhere, especially if the sticking surface isn't 
perfectly smooth.

If you bound several pages of cardboard stock together, then you could have 
a portable hardware tiddlywiki. In this case, each page would represent a 
tag and you could organize your stickies (tiddlers) by primary tag. Maybe 
have a grid one the bottom where you could put colored dots to indicate 
other tags.

In all computer systems that I know of, including the brain, there's a 
portion of memory for manipulating information (current events) and another 
for long-term storage. The portable wiki could be the equivalent short-term 
memory for note-taking and scheduling. Notes would be moved into the 
tiddlywiki as they aged out.
 
Mark

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 3:33:17 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 Dear All,

 The GTD methodology had a huge influence everyone was going round with 
 index cards. I did this and in hindsite it got me nowhere.

 I am now using sticky notes -- a freebie from a business school -- and 
 wondered about ordering my own custom tiddler  notes. A paper version of 
 tiddler promoting TW at the same time

 It got me thinking about tags to... maybe a set of stickers in tag pill 
 shapes... with enough space to write on.

 The thing is I don't want to order 100s of pads...


 Anyone interested?
 Could sickly pads be an accompaniment to the poster?
 * making the start of a promo pack
 ** leading to an analogue 'workshop version' of TW

 just thought I'd share the thought

 Alex

 [1] http://www.totalmerchandise.co.uk/products/details/A7-BiC-Sticky-Notes


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[tw] Some theme changes

2015-01-27 Thread Shash
Hi All,

I tried to change the appearance of my TW by changing the Theme tweaks. I 
wanted to get the menu on the left side without any extra plugins or work 
around and hence I changed these properties

Story left position 
Story top position 
Story right
Story width  
Tiddler width

I could achieve what I really wanted but the problem now is Seamless theme 
doesn't seem to work. 

Is there any way to get the seamless theme into my style sheet and get it 
to work. The only thing i want to remove is the box around the tiddler. Any 
help is really appreciated. 

Thanks!
Shash

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Next stop on the railroad

2015-01-27 Thread Michael Wiktowy
This is pretty cool.
Is there a way to make the text in a single box (single railroad car?) 
multi-line?

/Mike

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Next stop on the railroad

2015-01-27 Thread Michael Wiktowy

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-5, Astrid Elocson wrote:

 Hi Michael, 

  Is there a way to make the text in a single box (single railroad car?) 
 multi-line?

 I'd asked myself the same question, but the answer is: not without 
 rewriting most of the underlying library 
 https://github.com/tabatkins/railroad-diagrams.

 What you *can* do is break a large diagram into smaller diagrams, and 
 have a master diagram that merely contains links to the smaller ones.


Too bad. I was hoping to use these as a built-in means of putting together 
process flow charts rather than describing syntax. Links to tiddler titles 
containing more detail might work but that is not exactly what I had hoped 
to do. Thanks for the suggestion though. The diagram might serve as a nice 
advanced tabbed menu with some flow context attached.

/Mike

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[tw] Re: Simple Javascript insertion in tiddlers (text/vnd.tiddlywiki)

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
K. Thx. I will go with the Editable-Tables

On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 09:52:53 UTC-5, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 Jimmy,

 The $Macrocall is the main pathway to a complex javascript. When I did my 
 marathoning tiddler, I used a number of different ways of creating tables 
 using the $macrocall javascripts. One approach was to have each cell make 
 the $macrocall passing the appropriate parameters to the javascript. The 
 other approach was to have a single $macrocall in the destination tiddler 
 where I wanted the table and have the javascript create the table as its 
 output. There are weaknesses to both approaches and I'm certain that there 
 are more elegant ways of accomplishing that.

 One possibility you might want to consider using, depending on just what 
 you want to accomplish, is Danielo's Editable-Tables. In that approach, 
 each line of the table refers to a separate tiddler and each cell is a 
 field stored in that tiddler. I use the editable-tables a lot.


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[tw] Why is my ButtonWidget does not talk my variable???

2015-01-27 Thread Jimmy Armand
Hi all!
Another question !

I have the following select wich works since I can see the result:

$select field='selected-template'
  $list filter=GCNETTemplate ACCESSTemplate COGETemplate
optioncurrentTiddler/option
  /$list
/$select

$set name=mytemplate value={{!!selected-template}}
  ''Result: ''mytemplatebr
  $list filter=[mytemplate]
$button message=tm-new-tiddler param=currentTiddler 
class=buttonCreate currentTiddler/$button
  /$list
/$set


But obviously, something's wrong because the button keeps creating new 
Tiddlers instead of using my existing ones. Please Help!!!

Thanks

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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Jed Carty
If you know what the filters will be you can use the select widget to set a 
field to the entire filter string and use a text reference for the filters.

$select field='filter_field'
option value='[!is[tag]!is[system]]'Some name/option
option value='[!is[tag]!is[system]]'Another name/option
/$select

/$select

$list filter={{!!filter_field}}

/$list

Where you add an option to the select widget for each filter string.

If you need more flexibility you could have a sequence of selections that 
build a string for the filter operators. Like the examples here, but each 
selection would set a filter operator instead of part of a url 
http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Concatenating%20text%20to%20make%20dynamic%20URLs

Does that help?

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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
You (currently) need to use variables in filters like so...

[field-foovariable-bar]

not...

[field-foo[variable-bar]]

or...

[field-foovariable-bar]

For more on parameters and variables, see...

http://pv5.tiddlyspot.com

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: Combining numbered and bullet lists breaks the numbering

2015-01-27 Thread Jernej Zidar
Hi Tobias,
  Thank you for the reply. Your solution works as advertised!

  Perhaps this should be mentioned in the documentation.

Best,
Jernej

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some Google Fu showed the following as a solution {{block{ ...}}}


 that's TWc, indeed

   I have a numbered list that has some bullet points or sections in the
 middle like this


 You need to wrap the stuff you want nested in html elements. You can either
 use pre directly...

 # N-terminus: ACE residue
 # C-terminus: NH2
 # Before using pdb2gmx edit both terminals so they look like this:
 #* N-terminalpreATOM  1  CH3 ACE 0
 ATOM  2 HH31 ACE 0
 ATOM  3 HH32 ACE 0
 ATOM  4 HH33 ACE 0
 ATOM  5  C   ACE 0
 ATOM  6  O   ACE 0
 /pre
 #* C-terminalpreATOM 84  N   NH2 5
 ATOM 85  H1  NH2 5
 ATOM 86  H2  NH2 5
 TER  87  NH2  5
 END
 /pre
 # Relax generated peptides (few hours in auto mode).

 or...

 # N-terminus: ACE residue
 # C-terminus: NH2
 # Before using pdb2gmx edit both terminals so they look like this:
 #* N-terminalp

 ```
 ATOM  1  CH3 ACE 0
 ATOM  2 HH31 ACE 0
 ATOM  3 HH32 ACE 0
 ATOM  4 HH33 ACE 0
 ATOM  5  C   ACE 0
 ATOM  6  O   ACE 0
 ```
 /p
 #* C-terminalp

 ```
 ATOM 84  N   NH2 5
 ATOM 85  H1  NH2 5
 ATOM 86  H2  NH2 5
 TER  87  NH2  5
 END
 ```
 /p
 # Relax generated peptides (few hours in auto mode).

 Whereas those newlines in the second example (before the initial backticks)
 is important, unfortunately.

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Editor Prototype Mk II

2015-01-27 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
Mario,

I greatly appreciate your indulgence and your assistance. If I may I would 
like to impose one more time and ask you to try again. I have made two 
corrections which I believe have taken care of both problems but a fresh 
set of eyes is almost always a good idea.

http://tw5editor.tiddlyspot.com/

And though I know you don't need to be reminded but Firefox sometimes uses 
the old cached copy so to avoid confusion, remember to do the reload.

Thank you again.

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[tw] Re: Using Macro Substitution as a filter parameter

2015-01-27 Thread Alan Finger
Hi Tobias,

I don't think that's going to work for me as I want to conditionally 
include entire filter operators in the filter. Depending the content of 
some fields (Any means no filter), i want to get

[!is[tag]!is[system]]
[!is[tag]!is[system][field1[value1]]
[!is[tag]!is[system]field1[value1]field2[value2]]
[!is[tag]!is[system][field2[value2]]

etc.

There will be at 4 combinations now but I may want to expand that later. 

Is there a more elegant way to approach this?

Alan






On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-5, Tobias Beer wrote:

 You (currently) need to use variables in filters like so...

 [field-foovariable-bar]

 not...

 [field-foo[variable-bar]]

 or...

 [field-foovariable-bar]

 For more on parameters and variables, see...

 http://pv5.tiddlyspot.com

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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