[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[TonyM]

Jed,

Thanks for your work, I will be donating as soon as my own finances are in 
order.

I use windows 10, and happy to provide testing and feedback for you there.

I replaced an older version with the latest and of course I no longer saw 
the hello. WHich means I did not see the new set the host to 0.0.0.0 button. 
Its all in test so I blew away the last "install".
Just a note for upgrades in the future.

My "Editions list" is empty but I saw your comments earlier - are these 
pointing to the internet or can we point them to a folder? Even custom 
folder(s).

I already have Existing wikis I do not need to create but would like to 
point to existing wikis - the documentation tiddler needs to be updated 
$:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/Starting Other Wikis

To Create the Wikis section create an object named wikis
To add a wiki create a field named "WikiName" with the path as the value
In windows change slash to backslash ?

Can we only point to Node Installs or also single file installs?

Unfortunately there is snsufficent info for me to get the aditional wikis 
working

Here is an example
I have a NodeJS install at the folder C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au

"wikis": { 
   
   "PSaT":"C:/Data/TW5/NodeJS/psat.com.au

The above closed the server window when I link to it from Available Wikis

As does
   
   "PSaT":"C://Data//TW5//NodeJS//psat.com.au  


   C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au
   

   C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au
   

Last attempt with more details

"psat.com.au": "C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au

 
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
Added route /^\/psat.com.au\/?$/
Websockets listening on  8085

Settings.json reads
{
  "ws-server": {
"port": "8084",
"rootTiddler": "$:/core/save/single",
"renderType": "text/plain",
"serveType": "text/html",
"username": "",
"password": "",
"host": "0.0.0.0",
"pathprefix": ""
  },
  "wikis": {
"psat.com.au": "C:DataTW5NodeJS"
  }
}

I hope you can help me, and I you.

Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 03:35:53 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> As Jeremy has said many times, the people here aren't the target audience 
> when asking for donations and support. I like tiddlywiki and the things I 
> make are normally just the toys that I make in my spare time. This specific 
> plugin I made to fit my companies internal needs so there is a bit more of 
> a work aspect to it but most people who are active here also contribute to 
> the group, asking questions helps determine what is needed and useful, 
> documentation is always important and bug reports can save everyone a lot 
> of time by helping to find where problems are.
>
> I mentioned the patreon page because a few people have asked about helping 
> with the development costs in the past and we made it to support making the 
> videos with my robot, it wasn't meant to pressure anyone to donate. I do 
> need to eat and I wouldn't turn down a donation, but I don't want anyone to 
> feel pressured to donate. I work on tiddlywiki because I enjoy working on 
> it and unless you are trying to get me to work as an unpaid engineer for a 
> business than I am fine.
>
> @BurningTreeC,
>
> Both of those sound great. I think that the plugin is stable enough that 
> most of the improvements will come from better documentation and interface 
> so anything you can help with would be greatly appreciated.
>

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[TonyM]

I am still on Chrome 64 (windows 10) so have not seen this problem 
however please share more details on your use, what saver are you normally 
using?
Are you accessing it as a single file or through TiddlyServer etc...?

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 09:28:09 UTC+11, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why, but as of today Google Chrome isn't letting me save 
> TiddlyWiki locally. When I click the Save Changes icon, it wants to open a 
> new tab with an address like "blob:null/f68bac16-8632- ..." which puts me 
> back at the logon screen. I'm using Windows 10 and Chrome 65.0.3325.181.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? Or a workaround?
>
> Prescott
>
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[TonyM]

Post Script

To Spawn a new instance of TiddlyWin use Spawn {{$:/info/url/full}}

Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 11:29:44 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail.
>
> Here are some additions to the discussion.
>
> TiddleyMultiUser single executable (Jeds is brilliant, and with the 
> improvements mentioned hear is very cool) this is even before I have 
> exploited the MultiUser features)
>As jed points out you can have it running in more than one tab or 
> browser safely, but another advantage is you can spawn multiple sessions 
> against the one wiki, to have multiple views of the same wiki
>   A lot more will follow
> TiddlyServer latest version allows folder wiki creation in the browser
>   All it needs for single file wikis is to have the upload file make 
> copies not overwrite, and point to a nominated list of editions
> A possible much neglected solution of Windows (other platform?) is 
> renaming a single file wiki to .hta hypertext application
>   I am also working on renaming a singlefile wiki to *.aspx to use on 
> sharepoint (Tip save in WebPages library)
> NoteSelf is also very powerful allowing hosted solutions with data saved 
> in each users browser. 
>   Wikis can subsequently be saved or have user updated plugins exported.
>   On thought is to allow user updates to be emailed as a json file from 
> the noteself wiki as a submission process, to be imported into a 
> consolidated wiki.
>
> These are exciting times, and my not fully articulated dreams are coming 
> true as new possibilities multiply, no increase exponentially.
>
> Next? Members of the community collaborating to provide services even 
> income on top of the open platform.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, 23 March 2018 23:34:18 UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> One of the upsides of the emergence of so many well thought through 
>> responses to the Firefox Apocalypse is we are closer to being able to 
>> deliver TW in "packages" that resemble the installation of normal 
>> applications.
>>
>> This is something I'd like to explore more. In particular ...
>>
>> 1 -- What further steps are needed to, say, wrap TiddlyServer or 
>> TiddlyDesktop into auto-installers ...
>>
>> 2 -- ... such that on first-click after install you are already ready to 
>> create inside a fully functioning application? (NOT an application that is 
>> about setting-up applications). 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[TonyM]

I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail.

Here are some additions to the discussion.

TiddleyMultiUser single executable (Jeds is brilliant, and with the 
improvements mentioned hear is very cool) this is even before I have 
exploited the MultiUser features)
   As jed points out you can have it running in more than one tab or 
browser safely, but another advantage is you can spawn multiple sessions 
against the one wiki, to have multiple views of the same wiki
  A lot more will follow
TiddlyServer latest version allows folder wiki creation in the browser
  All it needs for single file wikis is to have the upload file make copies 
not overwrite, and point to a nominated list of editions
A possible much neglected solution of Windows (other platform?) is renaming 
a single file wiki to .hta hypertext application
  I am also working on renaming a singlefile wiki to *.aspx to use on 
sharepoint (Tip save in WebPages library)
NoteSelf is also very powerful allowing hosted solutions with data saved in 
each users browser. 
  Wikis can subsequently be saved or have user updated plugins exported.
  On thought is to allow user updates to be emailed as a json file from the 
noteself wiki as a submission process, to be imported into a consolidated 
wiki.

These are exciting times, and my not fully articulated dreams are coming 
true as new possibilities multiply, no increase exponentially.

Next? Members of the community collaborating to provide services even 
income on top of the open platform.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, 23 March 2018 23:34:18 UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> One of the upsides of the emergence of so many well thought through 
> responses to the Firefox Apocalypse is we are closer to being able to 
> deliver TW in "packages" that resemble the installation of normal 
> applications.
>
> This is something I'd like to explore more. In particular ...
>
> 1 -- What further steps are needed to, say, wrap TiddlyServer or 
> TiddlyDesktop into auto-installers ...
>
> 2 -- ... such that on first-click after install you are already ready to 
> create inside a fully functioning application? (NOT an application that is 
> about setting-up applications). 
>

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Tony & Mat,

both are looking very interesting to me!! :-)
I am too tired for now, but will have a detailed look and play around with 
it tomorrow afternoon, when I am back home.
hihi- means giggling- I have now a button in another wiki called by 
me :-)

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

[TonyM]

Post Script,

The Checkbox widget 
actions New in 5.1.14 A string containing ActionWidgets 
 to be triggered when the checkbox 
is clicked.
Perhaps you could use this to trigger the aforementioned actions and the 
reverse, thus have a single checkbox.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 10:50:29 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Surya,
>
> As mat says you can set the tiddler states using a list of action widgets 
> inside a button, but first of course you need to know which state tiddlers 
> or tags to add/remove and I have provided the details for each of these. 
> Except the items you raised, and added them to a custom menu (did you look 
> at that?). I expect you will need two buttons, one to hide and one to 
> unhide, that is in part why my solution was using checkboxes because they 
> display the state and allow you to toggle the state.
>
>- From the Editor Toolbar: Clone, delete, info, more, the arrows from 
>the side editor (plugin http://sideeditor.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> 
>)
>
> Perhaps I have over answered, without giving you a "combined button" 
> however I now have some additional "menu items" in the MyMenus Plugin.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, 23 March 2018 23:52:26 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony, 
>> I can give more detailed answer in a few hours. 
>>
>> But only for short now:
>> I think you missunderstood me a little bit. 
>> For the mentioned 2. Button: I meant to have only ONE Button. 
>> With that I could (I want) to hide /show the mentioned things with only 
>> one click. 
>>
>>
>> Why do I want this:
>> A lot of visitors are irritated of these things. And these things are not 
>> for them- only for me, to be able to edit & work with that wiki. 
>> When I go to this wiki I want to show everything mentioned with one 
>> click. 
>> And when I leave it, I want to hide everything mentioned with one click. 
>>
>> Do you know what I mean? 
>> Surya 
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

[TonyM]

Surya,

As mat says you can set the tiddler states using a list of action widgets 
inside a button, but first of course you need to know which state tiddlers 
or tags to add/remove and I have provided the details for each of these. 
Except the items you raised, and added them to a custom menu (did you look 
at that?). I expect you will need two buttons, one to hide and one to 
unhide, that is in part why my solution was using checkboxes because they 
display the state and allow you to toggle the state.
   
   - From the Editor Toolbar: Clone, delete, info, more, the arrows from 
   the side editor (plugin http://sideeditor.tiddlyspot.com/ 
   

   )

Perhaps I have over answered, without giving you a "combined button" 
however I now have some additional "menu items" in the MyMenus Plugin.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, 23 March 2018 23:52:26 UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi Tony, 
> I can give more detailed answer in a few hours. 
>
> But only for short now:
> I think you missunderstood me a little bit. 
> For the mentioned 2. Button: I meant to have only ONE Button. 
> With that I could (I want) to hide /show the mentioned things with only 
> one click. 
>
>
> Why do I want this:
> A lot of visitors are irritated of these things. And these things are not 
> for them- only for me, to be able to edit & work with that wiki. 
> When I go to this wiki I want to show everything mentioned with one click. 
> And when I leave it, I want to hide everything mentioned with one click. 
>
> Do you know what I mean? 
> Surya 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Jed Carty]

That is everything working. All the things failing is just it saying that 
the default wiki doesn't exist yet so it creates one. I should change what 
all the messages say to something less dire sounding. The next time you 
start it it should find all the configuration files and it will say it is 
loading them.

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[TonyM]

Steven,

I suppose the importance of the tag field is its supporting tools like tag 
pills, filters and tags as tiddlers. Personally I have started to reduce my 
use of tags in favour of reserving them for adhoc or hierarchical 
relationships.

The list fields is a special case of using a field as a list of titles, 
where if you have drag-able lists, for example of items tagged with a 
specific tag you can set the order with drag and drop. Thus I leave it 
alone for that purpose.

Even the existence of a field can act like a tag once you become familiar 
with field filters note the has[fieldname] filter demands the field have a 
value, even one space character.

I am gradually starting to use custom fields, listops and tools rather than 
using too many tags. One use of using another field as a list of titles 
(not the tags or list fields) is for subjects or categories that differ 
from tags. Once a tag exists it is available to all tiddlers to tag them, 
if you use tags for subjects and categories it is not easy to tell the 
different functions of different tags unless you add this to the naming 
standard.

Of late I am playing with Jeds GenTags plugin 
  
Which provides the partial equivalent of additional tags fields, which I am 
using for subjects and Categories, each additional field has its own list 
of candidate titles, rather than from all tags.

I am starting to see limitations with the tabs widget, that may have 
something to do with your students issue, however your code snipit I would 
describe as "Populate a field with a list of titles" could help here.

Thanks for sharing
I hope my perspective throws a little light on the subject.

Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 07:59:54 UTC+11, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> Not a technical problem, a visual problem. He wanted to be able to leaf 
> through illustrations without shifting tiddlers, and the tabs approach 
> wasn't really doing it for him. Mostly: I'm interested here in 
> understanding how list field differs from tag field, and how they can be 
> used to accomplish different types of things. 
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 4:17:10 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> What was the problem with the <> approach? If it was just the sort 
>> order, add a field "sortby" to each illustration with a double buffered 
>> illustration number ("01", "02" ... "31" )
>>
>> Then 
>>
>> <> \\
>>
>>  "$:/state/tab2" "tc-vertical">>
>>
>> should work.
>>  
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:51:27 AM UTC-7, Steven Schneider wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm. Let me try again:
>>>
>>> At 
>>> http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/#Illustrations:Illustrations%20Description
>>>  the 
>>> author uses <> to present images tagged with "Illustrations". This is 
>>> ok, but not super ideal.  
>>> I suggested he create a new tiddler called "Show the Illustrations" that 
>>> made use of a list of tiddlers so that they could be identified and sorted. 
>>> The <> was of limited value, so I suggested he might use 
>>> the list field instead (We ultimately ended up developing a tag-based 
>>> macro 
>>> 
>>>  instead 
>>> of using a list field...). 
>>>
>>> While exploring list fields, it was annoying to manually populate a list 
>>> field with every tagged tiddler, so we wrote that short one-time use button 
>>> script that essentially put the contents of the <> field into a 
>>> <> field of a specified tiddler. (It was also a way to introduce the 
>>> use of the ActionListOps widget)(on reflection, there was probably a faster 
>>> way to copy the contents of the tag field of a tiddler into the list field 
>>> of another tiddler, but I didn't think of that until now).
>>>
>>> Our discussion generated some interesting questions about the nature of 
>>> list fields, as well as the nature of the tags field, and when it was 
>>> useful / appropriate to use tags and when it was useful / appropriate to 
>>> use list fields. That's really my question. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for seeking clarification :)
>>>
>>> //steve.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote:

 To me it's absolutely unclear

 a) What you're trying to achieve
 b) What's your question

 Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student can't 
 use becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? So can 
 you give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to have a 
 look at?

>>>

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[tw] Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[Prescott Indigo]

I'm not sure why, but as of today Google Chrome isn't letting me save 
TiddlyWiki locally. When I click the Save Changes icon, it wants to open a 
new tab with an address like "blob:null/f68bac16-8632- ..." which puts me 
back at the logon screen. I'm using Windows 10 and Chrome 65.0.3325.181.

Anyone else have this problem? Or a workaround?

Prescott

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Mat]

I'm probably doing a lot of naive mistakes but here's what I did and get:

I downloaded the latest file and simply started it. I'm unsure if I had 
node.js installed previously (I did have it at one time but I may have 
uninstalled it) but currently when I look, I do have it which might be from 
running the TW file. Side note; Windows defender wanted me to not allow it 
to run as it was from an unknown distributor.

Anyway, running it I get:

NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
ws-server - Failed to load settings file.
Websockets listening on  8081
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/ServerIP
For $:/ServerIP, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false 
filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__ServerIP.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__ServerIP.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings/
split
For $:/WikiSettings/split, type is application/json hasMetaFile is false 
filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split
.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split.
tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings/
split/ws-server
For $:/WikiSettings/split/ws-server, type is application/json hasMetaFile is 
false filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\
$__WikiSettings_split_ws-server.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\
$__WikiSettings_split_ws-server.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings
For $:/WikiSettings, type is application/json hasMetaFile is false filepath 
is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection

...and Windows firewall showing




...clicking "Allow access" opens new tab in browser (or possibly it opened 
before) with

http://127.0.0.1:8080/


Should I continue investigating it or is that pointless at this time 
considering the many "fails" listed above? Or is maybe everything as it 
should be?


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[BurningTreeC]

> We can also make a desktop file that launches it, so that no terminal is 
> needed
>
> ... Or one could simply make it a keyboard shortcut

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[BurningTreeC]

As I'm a fan of pm2  - one can use it to start 
the single executable and close the terminal afterwards, pm2 keeps it 
running

pm2 start --name multiuser /path/to/executable

to stop it afterwards:

pm2 stop multiuser

to start it again:

pm2 start multiuser

reloading:

pm2 gracefulReload multiuser

deleting the pm2 process (does not delete files):

pm2 delete multiuser

showing statistics:

pm2 show multiuser


pm2 can be installed with nodejs:

npm -g install pm2 (depends on your system)


These are all commands I use
We can also make a desktop file that launches it, so that no terminal is 
needed

BTC

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Edit Tiddly Wiki files straight on Google Drive

[Mat]

On Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 5:35:10 PM UTC+2, Joshua Stubbs wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I made an app that lets one edit TiddlyWiki files saved in your Google 
> drive and then saving them back automagically. The page is here 
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tiddly-drive/oaphhjhbbabdjnpjpiliepphpmnioolo
>  [...]
>


1,913 users - WOW! Honestly, that is probably 100 times more than I'd 
guess. And it is probably the only user statistics I've seen on a TW 
"plugin" or comparable. 

Considering that TW is a bit "niche" to begin with and that plugins are 
even more niched... AND that we don't have any infrastructure for our 
plugins... 1900+ users is absolutely astonishing! Anybody knows if this 
number comes from google actually measuring current installations or if it 
is [historic] downloads?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

[Mat]

Yes, that is very doable.

You can use the ButtonWidget together with a few SetFieldWidgets to set the 
various states for those toggling things.

I also made http://toggle.tiddlyspot.com/ some time ago but it is made for 
toggling one thing - but you can remake it to include SetFieldWidgets.

<:-)
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[tw] Store.php Server Settings.

[Jan]

Hi,
I am trying to host a wiki on the webspace included with my domain... 
and so far I am stuck
I am not quite certain with the serversettings. I tried a lot of 
possibilities...could this be correct? (With the slashes and everything)


The adress is: ds.telekinese.net

*Erweiterte Einstellungen*

Server-URL  http://ds.telekinese.net/ds/store.php//
"Upload" DateinameIndex.html
"Upload" Verzeichnis  altona/
"Backup" Verzeichnis  sicherung/

/
/


Does the php work on standard (webspace-)servers (e.g. of 
https://www.1und1.de/)?

Do I have to give special permissions to files/users?
PHP Version is set to 5.6.  7.1 7.0  5.2 would also be available. Which 
one should I choose?


Thanks for your help
Jan






 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:Re: [tw] Re: Store.php
Datum:  Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:11:20 +0100
Von:Jan 
An: tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com



Thanks QuaraMan,
I will try and give a report!

Jan



Am 16.03.2018 um 09:48 schrieb xanatoswet...@gmail.com:

Hi Jan,

you can use my enhanced version of store.php that can be found on this 
website https://quaraman.de/tw/storephp.html .


The wikis then can also be served over https.

kind regards
QuaraMan


Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 00:36:41 UTC+1 schrieb Jan:

Hi,
I tried to install install a wiki on my webspace and could not get
it to
work yet.
Which Version is the best one actually.
I read some discussions about snippets of code that should be
inserted.

Can anyone post a state of the art version of it.

Reading the code I asked myself whether it can be really safe.
since the
passwords are stored in in the php-file which is indicated in the
wiki
itself...
Or did I get this entirely wrong?

Yours Jan

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[tw] Re: Making a copy of a wiki hosted on tiddlyspot

[Mat]

Hi Steve!

How flattering to hear this. (I should update it to the latest version of 
TW.)

One question: Mat, what is the username associated with these wikis created 
> on TiddlySpot? When I go to xxx.tiddlyspot.com/controlpanel, I can't seem 
> to login (I want to delete my test wikis...).
>

The username is the same as the very tiddlyspot name, i.e "xxx" in your 
example. You must of course also know the password you chose when you 
created the tiddlyspot. Once you access the controlpanel there, you scroll 
down to bottom for the delete feature. 
Did this answer you question?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed

Since things are going well I thought to make some minor points. 

IMO adding a starting line on the console ...



That says something like ... 

" -- DON'T CLOSE THIS WINDOW UNTIL DONE --
 It is running TiddlyWiki in your browser"

I'm sure there could be a better way to phrase it. But you get the idea. 
its too easy to close that console window.

---

Your "Wiki  Edition" install is fantastic!

---

I don't think it matters that the way this works is .tid file based. Just 
so long as there is a way to export back content to standard single file TW 
(either file save or via JSON).

---

I think you demonstrated that it can be fully portable. That is great news 
for folk who might want to run it, create a bespoke assembly of TW and 
re-wrap it into an installer or zip. The point is you can be sure it will 
work, wherever it goes to.

Many thanks
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Steven Schneider]

Not a technical problem, a visual problem. He wanted to be able to leaf 
through illustrations without shifting tiddlers, and the tabs approach 
wasn't really doing it for him. Mostly: I'm interested here in 
understanding how list field differs from tag field, and how they can be 
used to accomplish different types of things. 

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 4:17:10 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> What was the problem with the <> approach? If it was just the sort 
> order, add a field "sortby" to each illustration with a double buffered 
> illustration number ("01", "02" ... "31" )
>
> Then 
>
> < \\
>
>  "$:/state/tab2" "tc-vertical">>
>
> should work.
>  
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:51:27 AM UTC-7, Steven Schneider wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. Let me try again:
>>
>> At 
>> http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/#Illustrations:Illustrations%20Description
>>  the 
>> author uses <> to present images tagged with "Illustrations". This is 
>> ok, but not super ideal.  
>> I suggested he create a new tiddler called "Show the Illustrations" that 
>> made use of a list of tiddlers so that they could be identified and sorted. 
>> The <> was of limited value, so I suggested he might use 
>> the list field instead (We ultimately ended up developing a tag-based 
>> macro 
>> 
>>  instead 
>> of using a list field...). 
>>
>> While exploring list fields, it was annoying to manually populate a list 
>> field with every tagged tiddler, so we wrote that short one-time use button 
>> script that essentially put the contents of the <> field into a 
>> <> field of a specified tiddler. (It was also a way to introduce the 
>> use of the ActionListOps widget)(on reflection, there was probably a faster 
>> way to copy the contents of the tag field of a tiddler into the list field 
>> of another tiddler, but I didn't think of that until now).
>>
>> Our discussion generated some interesting questions about the nature of 
>> list fields, as well as the nature of the tags field, and when it was 
>> useful / appropriate to use tags and when it was useful / appropriate to 
>> use list fields. That's really my question. 
>>
>> Thanks for seeking clarification :)
>>
>> //steve.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>>>
>>> To me it's absolutely unclear
>>>
>>> a) What you're trying to achieve
>>> b) What's your question
>>>
>>> Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student can't 
>>> use becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? So can 
>>> you give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to have a 
>>> look at?
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Brilliant. Solves the problem.

J.

On Friday, 23 March 2018 21:18:44 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the 
> basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three executables (for 
> windows, linux and osx) on a thumb drive and then make a wiki on my linux 
> desktop, then plug it into the MacBook and use the same wiki there and then 
> I got a friend to bring over a windows laptop and it worked on there as 
> well. There may be errors but the quick test worked.
>
> All of the folders should be relative to the location of the file. The 
> main wiki will be made in a folder called IndexWiki in the same folder as 
> the executable and the others will be added inside a folder called Wikis in 
> the same place.
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases
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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[Jed Carty]

I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the 
basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three executables (for 
windows, linux and osx) on a thumb drive and then make a wiki on my linux 
desktop, then plug it into the MacBook and use the same wiki there and then 
I got a friend to bring over a windows laptop and it worked on there as 
well. There may be errors but the quick test worked.

All of the folders should be relative to the location of the file. The main 
wiki will be made in a folder called IndexWiki in the same folder as the 
executable and the others will be added inside a folder called Wikis in the 
same place.

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

What was the problem with the <> approach? If it was just the sort 
order, add a field "sortby" to each illustration with a double buffered 
illustration number ("01", "02" ... "31" )

Then 

<>

should work.
 
-- Mark

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:51:27 AM UTC-7, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> Hmm. Let me try again:
>
> At 
> http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/#Illustrations:Illustrations%20Description
>  the 
> author uses <> to present images tagged with "Illustrations". This is 
> ok, but not super ideal.  
> I suggested he create a new tiddler called "Show the Illustrations" that 
> made use of a list of tiddlers so that they could be identified and sorted. 
> The <> was of limited value, so I suggested he might use 
> the list field instead (We ultimately ended up developing a tag-based 
> macro 
> 
>  instead 
> of using a list field...). 
>
> While exploring list fields, it was annoying to manually populate a list 
> field with every tagged tiddler, so we wrote that short one-time use button 
> script that essentially put the contents of the <> field into a 
> <> field of a specified tiddler. (It was also a way to introduce the 
> use of the ActionListOps widget)(on reflection, there was probably a faster 
> way to copy the contents of the tag field of a tiddler into the list field 
> of another tiddler, but I didn't think of that until now).
>
> Our discussion generated some interesting questions about the nature of 
> list fields, as well as the nature of the tags field, and when it was 
> useful / appropriate to use tags and when it was useful / appropriate to 
> use list fields. That's really my question. 
>
> Thanks for seeking clarification :)
>
> //steve.
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>>
>> To me it's absolutely unclear
>>
>> a) What you're trying to achieve
>> b) What's your question
>>
>> Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student can't 
>> use becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? So can 
>> you give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to have a 
>> look at?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Diego Mesa]

Hey Stephan,

Just letting you know that sortan is now part of the core (currently in 
prerelease):

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#sortan%20Operator

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 1:25:51 PM UTC-5, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> I wouldnt have tagged the illustration tiddlers at all. After all: They 
> are already named "Illustration X" so a simple "prefix[Illustration ]" 
> filter would do.
>
> Unfortunately automatic sorting of the tiddlers isn't possible yet. There 
> is a plugin which could do that 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/fJ-kKaxRwy0 and I wish 
> it would be part of the core.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Teething issues.

Test 1 - So having set up as explained at: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/I3naFCl37kc/nU75sR4iBAAJ I 
copied the whole install to J:\twMU\ (USB pen drive). Started the server. 
Clicked on one of the wikis (relative paths that in theory should work). 
The *server crashes*.

Test 2 - Same scenario but *changed the working directory* to J:\twMU\ 
first. Works as expected perfectly. This illustrates my initial point that 
for node and its cousins on Windows we need to wrap the app in a way that 
ensures that its start up place and executable file are in the same 
directory. 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

One issue in Windows for naive users will be that they don't inadvertently 
close the console Window.

Once you up and running its probably better that its minimised to the tray, 
or that the over-easy close button is disabled. That can be done via 
Windows but I'm yet not sure if there is a universal portable way to 
achieve it.

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed with your revised easier wiki creation schema I have managed to 
create wikis.

Concerning portability. After creating them I went to Control Panel > Node 
Settings > Manual Settings and adjusted them to be Windows relative paths. 
Like this ...
  

Where "." = current directory (=directory the program runs in)

The file structure I'm using is this ...

directory "twMU" containing tiddlyWin.exe 

then subdir ...

\wikis

under which are ...

\wikis\development
\wikis\graphic

and subdir

\IndexWiki

So far so good. I'll comment more later.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Stephan Hradek]

I wouldnt have tagged the illustration tiddlers at all. After all: They are 
already named "Illustration X" so a simple "prefix[Illustration ]" filter 
would do.

Unfortunately automatic sorting of the tiddlers isn't possible yet. There 
is a plugin which could do that 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/fJ-kKaxRwy0 and I wish 
it would be part of the core.

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Steven Schneider]

Hmm. Let me try again:

At 
http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/#Illustrations:Illustrations%20Description 
the 
author uses <> to present images tagged with "Illustrations". This is 
ok, but not super ideal.  
I suggested he create a new tiddler called "Show the Illustrations" that 
made use of a list of tiddlers so that they could be identified and sorted. 
The <> was of limited value, so I suggested he might use 
the list field instead (We ultimately ended up developing a tag-based macro 

 instead 
of using a list field...). 

While exploring list fields, it was annoying to manually populate a list 
field with every tagged tiddler, so we wrote that short one-time use button 
script that essentially put the contents of the <> field into a 
<> field of a specified tiddler. (It was also a way to introduce the 
use of the ActionListOps widget)(on reflection, there was probably a faster 
way to copy the contents of the tag field of a tiddler into the list field 
of another tiddler, but I didn't think of that until now).

Our discussion generated some interesting questions about the nature of 
list fields, as well as the nature of the tags field, and when it was 
useful / appropriate to use tags and when it was useful / appropriate to 
use list fields. That's really my question. 

Thanks for seeking clarification :)

//steve.


On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> To me it's absolutely unclear
>
> a) What you're trying to achieve
> b) What's your question
>
> Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student can't 
> use becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? So can 
> you give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to have a 
> look at?
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Music Notation and Midi Playback

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Piano Mk 2. I tried it on ...

Desktop FF 52, 64 bit Win 7 -- Somewhat muffled sound. With clicks.

Desktop Chrome latest, 64 bit Win 7 -- Cleaner sound but still not quite a 
piano. With clicks

Tablet FF 53, 64 bit Win 10 -- Notes only play once for a long time. 
Pressing key again nothing happens. Not so clicky.

I'm wondering if the differences are something to do with external to TW 
software on the PC that does the execution?

Still hopeful.

Josiah

On Thursday, 22 March 2018 22:55:56 UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Update for  http://tiddlypiano.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> it now uses the audio autoplay mechanics I figured out with the abcjs 
> testing
> plays the sounds now from an embedded json file
> It's a Tuba-Piano now
>
> BTC
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[tw] Making a copy of a wiki hosted on tiddlyspot

[Steven Schneider]

Hi everyone, 

I have my students use Mat's very excellent 
http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com/ -- to be honest, I don't know what I'd 
do in my DesignWriteStudio  class without it.

Several students are building projects that they are hopeful others could 
use, and thus want to allow their future readers to copy their tiddlywikis 
hosted on tiddlyspot. This is sort of complicated.

I did some modifications to the tiddlers in 
http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com/ and saved them to a json file (I haven't 
yet mastered Tinka ), which can be 
imported into any wiki hosted on tiddlyspot, and supports making a copy 
(click on "Copy this wiki" after importing). 

I thought some tiddlyspot users might find this helpful.

One question: Mat, what is the username associated with these wikis created 
on TiddlySpot? When I go to xxx.tiddlyspot.com/controlpanel, I can't seem 
to login (I want to delete my test wikis...).

Thanks!

//steve.



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Description: application/json

[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Jed Carty]

As Jeremy has said many times, the people here aren't the target audience 
when asking for donations and support. I like tiddlywiki and the things I 
make are normally just the toys that I make in my spare time. This specific 
plugin I made to fit my companies internal needs so there is a bit more of 
a work aspect to it but most people who are active here also contribute to 
the group, asking questions helps determine what is needed and useful, 
documentation is always important and bug reports can save everyone a lot 
of time by helping to find where problems are.

I mentioned the patreon page because a few people have asked about helping 
with the development costs in the past and we made it to support making the 
videos with my robot, it wasn't meant to pressure anyone to donate. I do 
need to eat and I wouldn't turn down a donation, but I don't want anyone to 
feel pressured to donate. I work on tiddlywiki because I enjoy working on 
it and unless you are trying to get me to work as an unpaid engineer for a 
business than I am fine.

@BurningTreeC,

Both of those sound great. I think that the plugin is stable enough that 
most of the improvements will come from better documentation and interface 
so anything you can help with would be greatly appreciated.

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[tw] Re: Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Stephan Hradek]

To me it's absolutely unclear

a) What you're trying to achieve
b) What's your question

Really sorry for that. Do you think there are filters the student can't use 
becaue he used tags and he could have used, had he used lists? So can you 
give an example? Maybe publish an example somewhere for us to have a look 
at?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Edit Tiddly Wiki files straight on Google Drive

[Steven Schneider]

sorry:

https://updog.co

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Steven,
>
> What you propose does not fit withing my expierence of TiddlyWiki hosting 
> and When I go to the URL given my Nortons says.
>
> BLOCKED BY
>  Dangerous Web Page BlockedYou attempted to access:http://updog.co/
>
> Can you please confirm this is a valid exception or post supporting info 
> or your message should be deleted
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, 23 March 2018 04:07:38 UTC+11, Steven Schneider wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of what you are after here by reviving this old thread. My 
>> approach, in the post-TiddlyFox era, is to use TiddlyDesktop and serve via 
>> google drive using updog (http://updog.co 
>> ).
>>  
>> It is stable, if a bit slow, from time to time. Perhaps this will help? 
>> //steve.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-4, dg wrote:
>>>
>>> Just found this. Very useful! Many thanks from a noob. 
>>>
>>> Can you explain the privacy of this approach? I'm not a programmer, so 
>>> please keep it simple if you can. I just want to know if it's okay to edit 
>>> documents with some sensitive (proprietary) information.
>>>
>>> Thx! 
>>> --
>>> dg
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 11:35:10 AM UTC-4, Joshua Stubbs wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I made an app that lets one edit TiddlyWiki files saved in your Google 
 drive and then saving them back automagically. The page is here 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tiddly-drive/oaphhjhbbabdjnpjpiliepphpmnioolo
  
 but I think you need to add it from the Google Drive web interface.

 I even added an optional ability to save with ctrl + s hotkeys.

 I hope you all find it useful. It's open source so all feedback and 
 contributions are welcome. I still have to set up some contribution 
 guidelines but we'll get there!

 Kind regards. Joshua.



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[BurningTreeC]

@Jed 

Your single executable is Great, nuff said.

I'm a poor student but to support this I'm gonna look forward scratching 
some pennies together!


Question: do you need help for documentation, or would you welcome PRs on 
your repository for the layout stuff?

Simon

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Jed Carty]

As a quick update, I fixed a bug (at least on osx and linux, I can't test 
on windows at the moment) that only appears when you don't start from the 
command line. Under some circumstances the wiki folders would be created in 
unexpected places instead of wherever the executable is. If anyone can test 
this on windows I would appreciate it. Thanks to @TiddlyTweeter to pointing 
out the bug.

Måns,

I am working on allowing external editions to be used as templates. The 
internal pseudo-filesystem structure set up by the packing it as a single 
executable causes some path problems that I am still working out. After I 
get that fixed than creating wikis using custom editions should be possible.

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[tw] Populating the list field of a tiddler that is a tag

[Steven Schneider]

Hi,

I wrote this code the other day, and it got me thinking about different 
ways to use the tag field wondering how useful it might be to others. The 
challenge was to populate a list field, to give access to certain filters 
that use list. So what it does is basically creates a list field in a 
tiddler that consists of all tiddlers tagged with a specified tag. Probably 
not that earth shattering.

<$vars thisTiddler="IllustrationsPlay" thisTag="Illustrations">

List of <>
<$view field="list" tiddler=<>/>

<$button>
Add all tiddlers tagged ''<>'' to the list field of the tiddler <
>
<$action-listops $tiddler=<> $field="list" $filter="[tag
]"/>



I wanted to help a student generate a way to present, in order, a set of 
tiddlers, and the student had used tags to identify the tiddlers of 
interest. It seemed that he would have been better off with a list field, 
but I couldn't quite articulate why, so I wrote this script.

Perhaps someone might have a better explanation of the differences / 
advantages of using tags vs. list fields? I find myself a bit confused on 
this point. Thanks!

//steve.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Måns Mårtensson]

Wauv!!

Please setup a PayPal account - I wan't to pay for this ;-)

Great work @Jed

Just ran it on Win 10 and everything seems to work out of the box :-)

Also: *What a great way to showcase editions*.

Nice touch with the 0.0.0.0. button ;-)

Is there a way to point to a folder with your own editions - to use as
templates?


Cheers Måns Mårtensson



2018-03-23 13:22 GMT+01:00 Jed Carty :

> A new release candidate is here!
>
> This time it has a new way of making new wikis without using shell scripts
> because that seemed to be the biggest source of problems for people. So now
> you go to the tab in the control panel, select the edition you want to use,
> give it a name and then click a button and it creates and starts the wiki.
> There is even a list that automatically updates to show all the available
> wikis being served.
>
> I don't have a reliable way to test this in windows, so windows testers
> are appreciated.
>
>
> OSX note: I haven't found a way to make the file executable when you
> download it yet so you have to run 'chmod +x tiddlyOSX.command' in the
> terminal before you can use it. Once the other bugs are worked out I will
> just bundle it as a .app file and release that which should avoid the
> problem.
>
>
> For the donations conversation:
>
> I don't think that patreon supports one-time donations. We are looking
> into setting up a PayPal account that could take one-time donations, but
> when I did that with my personal account in the past I didn't have much
> success.
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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed Carty wrote:
>
>
> Also, what do you mean by 'not portable'? It should be at least as 
> portable as the options you mentioned.
>

I'm pretty sure that your tool can be used portably. I'll try again on your 
latest version and let you know when I get extra wikis working.

FYI, to be decently portable all paths in configuration need to be 
relative, never absolute. Absolute paths break basic portability. 

Portability means at least: 

(1) No changes to the system outside folders the app. works in or 
explicitly includes; 

(2) Relative pathing. So that if, for instance, I moved "JedsTool" that 
included all the wikis & the program from  "C:\tw\JedsTool"  to 
"Y:\frank\JedsTool" it would work exactly the same.

For "portable enough" apps. rule (1) can be broken for temporary & cache 
files handed over to the OS to handle as they don't really change anything 
and get recreated on-the-fly. 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed

I'll explain in more detail later. But the basic issue in Windows is that 
to execute a file from another directory than the one it is in means that 
writes are relative to the directory run from, not relative to the 
directory the executable is in. A way round this is to use environment 
variables that tell the program where it is and where to write 
configuration. Problem is the environment variables need to be pre-run and 
are not easily portable and are just another overhead. Normally Windows 
programs know how to natively reset paths but programs like node and its 
cousins don't. Often it will work (depending on how people launch software) 
but quite often it won't.

Josiah

On Friday, 23 March 2018 14:52:12 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> If what you are saying is true than you are running into errors on windows 
> that I can't see because I can't test on windows. So knowing about them 
> would be really nice for me.
>
> Also, something that is probably relevant is that I redid how you make new 
> wikis so it doesn't use shell scripts anymore because that was apparently a 
> stumbling block for people. So now you just go to the control panel, give a 
> name and an edition to use and it should create and start serving the new 
> wiki.
>
> Once again, there may be errors on windows that I can't see because I 
> don't have windows to test on.
>
> Also, what do you mean by 'not portable'? It should be at least as 
> portable as the options you mentioned.
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[Jed Carty]

If what you are saying is true than you are running into errors on windows 
that I can't see because I can't test on windows. So knowing about them 
would be really nice for me.

Also, something that is probably relevant is that I redid how you make new 
wikis so it doesn't use shell scripts anymore because that was apparently a 
stumbling block for people. So now you just go to the control panel, give a 
name and an edition to use and it should create and start serving the new 
wiki.

Once again, there may be errors on windows that I can't see because I don't 
have windows to test on.

Also, what do you mean by 'not portable'? It should be at least as portable 
as the options you mentioned.

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed

Footnote. I didn't mention your app. not because I think it isn't good. *I 
think its brilliant. *Rather because its not quite finished. And I'm 
unclear on some aspects of how to run it on Windows portably. That is most 
about me playing with the Windows path syntax till I get something that 
works to create extra wikis.

Josiah

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I get your point. In theory it is.

But at naive user level its not quite what you think. Because users don't 
know what you know.

For instance, if you just click on the .exe that starts it on on Windows 
from outside of the directory it is in (say from some file browsers) it can 
create configuration files in the directory where that file browser is 
running. That won't work out. Its also not portable. 

On Windows, to ensure proper running some OS specific steps are needed that 
will reliably ensure that the startup directory coincides with the 
executable's under different scenarios of usage. 

It is NOT you need to do anything on this. Your tool is already great. 
Rather, I thinkmwe need look at variant ways people initiate software on 
different platforms and maybe add an appropriate "wrapper" to make sure it 
works always the same way.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 23 March 2018 13:50:56 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> How is this different than what I did packaging the multiuser plugin?
>
> It does what tiddlyserver does (serves multiple wikis), and when you open 
> it you get a fully working tiddlywiki without any installation.
>
> Is there some difference or have I just been bad at showing what is there?
>

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Tony, 
I can give more detailed answer in a few hours. 

But only for short now:
I think you missunderstood me a little bit. 
For the mentioned 2. Button: I meant to have only ONE Button. 
With that I could (I want) to hide /show the mentioned things with only one 
click. 


Why do I want this:
A lot of visitors are irritated of these things. And these things are not for 
them- only for me, to be able to edit & work with that wiki. 
When I go to this wiki I want to show everything mentioned with one click. 
And when I leave it, I want to hide everything mentioned with one click. 

Do you know what I mean? 
Surya 

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[Jed Carty]

How is this different than what I did packaging the multiuser plugin?

It does what tiddlyserver does (serves multiple wikis), and when you open 
it you get a fully working tiddlywiki without any installation.

Is there some difference or have I just been bad at showing what is there?

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[tw] Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

One of the upsides of the emergence of so many well thought through 
responses to the Firefox Apocalypse is we are closer to being able to 
deliver TW in "packages" that resemble the installation of normal 
applications.

This is something I'd like to explore more. In particular ...

1 -- What further steps are needed to, say, wrap TiddlyServer or 
TiddlyDesktop into auto-installers ...

2 -- ... such that on first-click after install you are already ready to 
create inside a fully functioning application? (NOT an application that is 
about setting-up applications). 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Jed Carty]

A new release candidate is here!

This time it has a new way of making new wikis without using shell scripts 
because that seemed to be the biggest source of problems for people. So now 
you go to the tab in the control panel, select the edition you want to use, 
give it a name and then click a button and it creates and starts the wiki. 
There is even a list that automatically updates to show all the available 
wikis being served.

I don't have a reliable way to test this in windows, so windows testers are 
appreciated.


OSX note: I haven't found a way to make the file executable when you 
download it yet so you have to run 'chmod +x tiddlyOSX.command' in the 
terminal before you can use it. Once the other bugs are worked out I will 
just bundle it as a .app file and release that which should avoid the 
problem.


For the donations conversation:

I don't think that patreon supports one-time donations. We are looking into 
setting up a PayPal account that could take one-time donations, but when I 
did that with my personal account in the past I didn't have much success.

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Re: [tw] rest[0] problem

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Freitag, 23. März 2018 10:41:32 UTC+1 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:
>
> but I think it’s probably a bug.
>

It is and I just created a pull request to fix it.

I also adjusted the x-listops, I hope that's okay. They had the same piece 
of code in I once introduced.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3188

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[tw] Re: rest[0] problem

[Stephan Hradek]

Yes, there is a bug!

var count = parseInt(operator.operand) || 1,

I think this would fix it

var count = parseInt(operator.operand),
results = [];


if( isNaN(count) ) {
count= 1;
}



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Re: [tw] rest[0] problem

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi David

The implementation of the rest filter (and most of the other “list-ops” 
filters) uses the default parameter value of one if the provided parameter 
value is zero.

The code was written that way on purpose, but I think it’s probably a bug. You 
may be able to work around it for the moment by having a dummy first entry in 
the list that you can’t scroll to?

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 23 Mar 2018, at 08:57, David Allen  wrote:
> 
> I have about five hundred tiddlers that all display a decently-sized image.  
> To reduce the impact on my machine, I've implemented a slider system that 
> keeps track of a slider index using two simple buttons, then displays a list 
> of five items starting at the slider index.
> 
> Filter code is as follows: 
> "[tag[alien]!prefix[Template]sort[]rest{!!scroll_index}limit[5]]"
> 
> When the scroll_index field is supposed to start at zero and increment or 
> decrement by five according to the button I press.
> 
> rest[0] and rest[1] have the same output.  Is this a bug or by design?
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[tw] rest[0] problem

[David Allen]

I have about five hundred tiddlers that all display a decently-sized 
image.  To reduce the impact on my machine, I've implemented a slider 
system that keeps track of a slider index using two simple buttons, then 
displays a list of five items starting at the slider index.

Filter code is as follows: 
"[tag[alien]!prefix[Template]sort[]rest{!!scroll_index}limit[5]]"

When the scroll_index field is supposed to start at zero and increment or 
decrement by five according to the button I press.

*rest[0] and rest[1] have the same output. * Is this a bug or by design?

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