date:20181105

Nice Tips,

pressing ? shows the shortcut keys! in Gmail as Well :)

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:47:37 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Not related to TW but for working with Tiddlywiki Google forum:
>
> Good to know
>
> pressing ? shows the shortcut keys!
>
> Shift + a : makes all read
>
>
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Wiki file disappearing with Firefox

2018-11-05 Thread Jon

Hi,

Just wanted to warn people of the possibility of your wiki completely
vanishing with Firefox.

Although I've been using TW for several years, this problem has happened to
me twice now in the space of a couple of months. I mentioned the first
occasion here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/LkZPDB9dgfg and
PMario's backup system has once more saved the day (I do take periodic
backups but it wasn't as current as the automated backup)

On this occasion, I noticed that Firefox had updated (this might have been
the case on the first occasion as well) and I think the problem might occur
if you have left the file open in the browser tab and in my case, leave the
laptop in hibernation mode by just closing the lid.

This is probably not very good practice but I always do this and haven't
change my routines, so something must have changed elsewhere.

It's not something I've come across before and it is quite unsettling for
your file to disappear!

Jon

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Hmm, yes, I do have python installed, but of course it may not be installed 
correctly, or maybe I need to set some environment variables differently...
Thanks for the tip.
Boaz

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Looking over the docs, I don't see that it mentions Python. I'm pretty 
> sure you need Python installed in order for Timimi to work. Is python on 
> your Mac system?
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:15:20 PM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
>> work on OSX.
>> It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to 
>> save, and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Boaz,
>>>
>>> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
>>> click on the cat.
>>>
>>> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
>>> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
>>> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
>>> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
>>> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
>>> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:

 Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!

 On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
> THOUSAND views!
>
> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>
> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying 
>> to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW 
>> files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
>> HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use 
>> TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
>> but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess 
>> it will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for 
>> me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
>>> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the 
>>> new 
>>> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or 
>>> a 
>>> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

Mark,

Using the data tiddler you can actually iterate every line. I have not done 
it yet but it would be quite easy to search each line and display only 
those meeting the criteria, they are stored in chronological order already, 
then the line itself contains references to related tiddlers you can open.

Try r-click open in new tab, on the image.

I have attached a bundle of tiddlers relating to my showlog but I have not 
tested if this package will work out of the box.

In relation to excising to a field I have started work, and although it 
seems achievable, to make it really functional will need a snazy option 
filled interface, that test for existing fields or generates new names. 
Especially if we want to ensure a link to another tiddler in the snippit in 
the OT (Orignal Topic) we retain the reference.

I wonder if there is another way?

What would be nice is a way to include a link to a tiddler eg [[other 
tiddler]] such that, that [[other tiddler]] will see this as a reference, 
while not actually displaying [[other tiddler]] 
Actually If we can excise text including a reference to another tiddler to 
(lets call it) a snippit, but not only replace it with a transclusion but 
leave the snippit in the text (only make it hidden/consume no space when 
viewing the tiddler) then search, references and more will continue to work 
despite the the "excising of the snipit". 

This needs more thought to meet the initial requirements. I am convinced 
there is an easy way.

Tony

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 10:17:21 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> That's an attractive approach. I like the presentation (what I can see of 
> it -- more below) But I have a feeling that using data tiddlers ends up 
> being too limiting because there are so few filter operators relating to 
> tiddlers.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has the problem with GG and screen shots that 
> I do. Your screen shot shows up as something only a little bigger than a 
> thumbnail. I have to squint and put my nose up to the screen ;-)
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> You could use my Log method in addition to the excise Idea.
>>
>> I have a solution better than that. From my Journal tiddler or any other 
>> tiddler, I click on a Show log checkbox, you can then enter a log entry 
>> single line or full editor and "Log Here" or "Log" .
>>
>> Every entry is another line in a datatiddler prefixed with the date time 
>> and includes the current tiddler if I use the "Log here". I attached a snap 
>> shot to illustrate.
>>
>> [image: loghere.jpg]
>>
>> You can see I can view the tiddlers relating to the current tiddler, or 
>> all tiddlers.
>>
>> On the current thread. I will try and do a Quick demo of the excise to 
>> field button idea.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 4:27:18 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> So, your journal tiddler could have a field with a standard name (afm, 
>>> linux) where you note activities (e.g. afm: recalibrated the influx 
>>> manifold). Then you could have a tiddler "afm" with a view template that 
>>> lists all tiddler names and row contents for those actions. e.g.
>>>
>>> 2018-10-08 recalibrated the influx manifold
>>> 2018-11-05 Looked up definition of AFM.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:02:12 AM UTC-8, DemoniWaari wrote:

 Ah yes but that is not what I mean. What I need is that Tiddler3 is 
 static and I do not touch that, it just gathers information *about 
 *Tiddler3 
 and presents those neatly. In essence I have a Journal to which I write 
 every day. Each row (usually) has a reference to another tiddler, such as 
 Linux or AFM or whatever. Then those Linux and AFM have their own tiddlers 
 and if I want to quickly see what I have been doing with AFM I can just go 
 to AFM tiddler and immediately see "oh on 5.11.2018 I analyzed this 
 sample, 
 no need to do that again". Using the references technique for this all I 
 see is that *I did something *with AFM on 5.11.2018 and I still need 
 to click and open up that tiddler and look into more closely what I did. I 
 do not want to open up dozens of tiddlers just to see what I have actually 
 done lately. Thus, I would like to see the referenced tiddler (5.11.2018) 
 and right below it *just the row where it is mentioned*. Hopefully 
 this clears things up!

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Looking over the docs, I don't see that it mentions Python. I'm pretty sure 
you need Python installed in order for Timimi to work. Is python on your 
Mac system?

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:15:20 PM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
> work on OSX.
> It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to save, 
> and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Boaz,
>>
>> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
>> click on the cat.
>>
>> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
>> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
>> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
>> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
>> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
>> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
 THOUSAND views!

 Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
 several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.

 It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.

 Josiah

 On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying 
> to 
> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
> HTML 
> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
> but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
>> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the 
>> new 
>> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
>> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

Mark you are right!
It uses details tag of html5 which seems differently supported by different 
browser.

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

That's an attractive approach. I like the presentation (what I can see of 
it -- more below) But I have a feeling that using data tiddlers ends up 
being too limiting because there are so few filter operators relating to 
tiddlers.

I'm wondering if anyone else has the problem with GG and screen shots that 
I do. Your screen shot shows up as something only a little bigger than a 
thumbnail. I have to squint and put my nose up to the screen ;-)

-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> You could use my Log method in addition to the excise Idea.
>
> I have a solution better than that. From my Journal tiddler or any other 
> tiddler, I click on a Show log checkbox, you can then enter a log entry 
> single line or full editor and "Log Here" or "Log" .
>
> Every entry is another line in a datatiddler prefixed with the date time 
> and includes the current tiddler if I use the "Log here". I attached a snap 
> shot to illustrate.
>
> [image: loghere.jpg]
>
> You can see I can view the tiddlers relating to the current tiddler, or 
> all tiddlers.
>
> On the current thread. I will try and do a Quick demo of the excise to 
> field button idea.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 4:27:18 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> So, your journal tiddler could have a field with a standard name (afm, 
>> linux) where you note activities (e.g. afm: recalibrated the influx 
>> manifold). Then you could have a tiddler "afm" with a view template that 
>> lists all tiddler names and row contents for those actions. e.g.
>>
>> 2018-10-08 recalibrated the influx manifold
>> 2018-11-05 Looked up definition of AFM.
>> ...
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:02:12 AM UTC-8, DemoniWaari wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah yes but that is not what I mean. What I need is that Tiddler3 is 
>>> static and I do not touch that, it just gathers information *about 
>>> *Tiddler3 
>>> and presents those neatly. In essence I have a Journal to which I write 
>>> every day. Each row (usually) has a reference to another tiddler, such as 
>>> Linux or AFM or whatever. Then those Linux and AFM have their own tiddlers 
>>> and if I want to quickly see what I have been doing with AFM I can just go 
>>> to AFM tiddler and immediately see "oh on 5.11.2018 I analyzed this sample, 
>>> no need to do that again". Using the references technique for this all I 
>>> see is that *I did something *with AFM on 5.11.2018 and I still need to 
>>> click and open up that tiddler and look into more closely what I did. I do 
>>> not want to open up dozens of tiddlers just to see what I have actually 
>>> done lately. Thus, I would like to see the referenced tiddler (5.11.2018) 
>>> and right below it *just the row where it is mentioned*. Hopefully this 
>>> clears things up!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Thanks Tony.  It looks good.  But so far I wasn't able to get Timimi to 
work on OSX.
It looks like it is installed, and I can press the "check" symbol to save, 
and it says "wiki saved", but the file itself is not saved.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Boaz,
>
> Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
> click on the cat.
>
> We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
> substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
> maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
> recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
> can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
> (Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
>>> THOUSAND views!
>>>
>>> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
>>> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>>>
>>> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:

 Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
 TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
 TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
 have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
 all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
 folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
 location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple 
 HTML 
 files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
 move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
 I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
 doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
 but its not convenient.  
 When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, 
 but it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
 I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
 will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
 reorganization.
 Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
 benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
 anymore.

 On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
> going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new 
> Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
> new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

Mark,

You could use my Log method in addition to the excise Idea.

I have a solution better than that. From my Journal tiddler or any other 
tiddler, I click on a Show log checkbox, you can then enter a log entry 
single line or full editor and "Log Here" or "Log" .

Every entry is another line in a datatiddler prefixed with the date time 
and includes the current tiddler if I use the "Log here". I attached a snap 
shot to illustrate.

[image: loghere.jpg]

You can see I can view the tiddlers relating to the current tiddler, or all 
tiddlers.

On the current thread. I will try and do a Quick demo of the excise to 
field button idea.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 4:27:18 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> So, your journal tiddler could have a field with a standard name (afm, 
> linux) where you note activities (e.g. afm: recalibrated the influx 
> manifold). Then you could have a tiddler "afm" with a view template that 
> lists all tiddler names and row contents for those actions. e.g.
>
> 2018-10-08 recalibrated the influx manifold
> 2018-11-05 Looked up definition of AFM.
> ...
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:02:12 AM UTC-8, DemoniWaari wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah yes but that is not what I mean. What I need is that Tiddler3 is 
>> static and I do not touch that, it just gathers information *about *Tiddler3 
>> and presents those neatly. In essence I have a Journal to which I write 
>> every day. Each row (usually) has a reference to another tiddler, such as 
>> Linux or AFM or whatever. Then those Linux and AFM have their own tiddlers 
>> and if I want to quickly see what I have been doing with AFM I can just go 
>> to AFM tiddler and immediately see "oh on 5.11.2018 I analyzed this sample, 
>> no need to do that again". Using the references technique for this all I 
>> see is that *I did something *with AFM on 5.11.2018 and I still need to 
>> click and open up that tiddler and look into more closely what I did. I do 
>> not want to open up dozens of tiddlers just to see what I have actually 
>> done lately. Thus, I would like to see the referenced tiddler (5.11.2018) 
>> and right below it *just the row where it is mentioned*. Hopefully this 
>> clears things up!
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Boaz,

Timimi is Great, Even better than tiddlyfox because you do not need to 
click on the cat.

We have well and truly passed the "FireFox apocalypse" and it spawned 
substantial innovation. The save and serve tiddlywiki solutions are 
maturing and its slowly becoming easier to choose between options. I 
recommend you look at TiddlyServer as once you set the settings.json you 
can browse TiddlyWikis files and folder installs in the browser, and  Bob 
(Single Executable) for multi-access multi-user folder based wikis.

Regards
Tony




On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:22:23 AM UTC+11, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR 
>> THOUSAND views!
>>
>> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
>> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>>
>> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>>> but its not convenient.  
>>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>>> reorganization.
>>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:


 Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is 
 going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new 
 Firefox 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a 
 new extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  

>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Outreach] Communicating to writers the benefits of TW -- #21 FUTURE TIDDLERS

Adam,

Have a look at Marios tocP which uses the "parent" field rather than tags 
to build and list a Table of Contents. Comes with a custom new here button.

Also I am using my own custom "new from template tool", I hope to publish 
one day.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 11:31:20 PM UTC+11, AdamS wrote:
>
> I've come to TiddlyWiki as a potential platform for writing. I'm still 
> trying to get it setup to do what I want it to do. I'm not really a 
> programmer. So there isn't much I know how to contribute there, but I can 
> think of some features that I think would improve ease for writers.
>
> So far, I've included tongerner's sticky tiddlersbar and some of his 
> associated plugins for easy navigation. 
>
> I've also included OokTech's word counter, which is great. Though I'm 
> wondering (as a non-programmer) if there is someway to use the same parser 
> that manages the markup vs. visible text distinction to create a word 
> counter that just counts visible text.
>
> Some kind of placeholder would be fantastic. Though even just a footnote 
> system that incremented automatically and used the form [[superscript 1 | 
> tiddler link]] would be great.
>
> Another thing that I think would be useful is an easy to use and navigate 
> parent/child relationships that didn't rely on tags but on some kind of 
> custom field that got auto-populated with child/parent links. This would be 
> useful for version control and editing, I think. First draft being the 
> root, and various other versions branching off it. Something like that. 
> That, in cunjunction with tiddlymap would be a wonder.
>
> Tongerner also has a "new template tiddler" button. I wonder if that could 
> be adapted to easily make multiple new custom template buttons for 
> initializing different kinds of tiddlers with ease.
>
> I realize this is turning into a sort of feature wishlist. Sorry about 
> that. 
>
> The only other thing that springs to mind is a clone of The Most Dangerous 
> Writing App. For those who haven't used it, it's a web app in which you 
> must type constantly for some set amount of time (say 5 minutes) and if you 
> stop typing for more than three seconds, it erases everything you've 
> written. That, combined with custom template tiddlers, so you could 
> initialize a Most Dangerous Writing App tiddler that would then become a 
> normal tiddler (preserving your text) once the time limit had been reached.
>
> Any suggestions of where I could look, or how I could help in making 
> something like this are most welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:28:56 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S.
>>
>> I am still playing around with this and thinking about it. I think its 
>> *really* good. 
>>
>> More than anything its suggestive of a potential full design to be able 
>> to handle "placeholders" of all types. So you don't need a footnote plugin, 
>> or a stretch-text plugin, or manually typing commands for inline v. block 
>> transclusion,  or ferreting around for transcluded Tiddler that hasn't been 
>> created yet. You have one in-line interface that handles it all. 
>>
>> It looks to me as if this one approach could, maybe, handle the whole 
>> shbang?
>>
>> I'll comment more fully later.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 September 2018 00:04:45 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a start that has most of the mentioned features:
>>>
>>> \define linkfullname() $(target)$!!linktype
>>> \define makelink() 
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="""$(target)$!!caption""" text="">
>>> <$set name=title tiddler="""$(target)$""" field="caption">
>>> <$link to="$(target)$"><>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <$reveal type="match" state="""$(target)$!!caption""" text="">
>>> [[$(target)$]]
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> \define maketrans() <$transclude tiddler="""$(target)$""" mode="block"/>
>>> \define makeedit() {{$(target)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate}}
>>> \define tle(target)
>>> <$set name="target" value="""$target$""">
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="yes" state="$:/state/publish">
>>> <$radio tiddler="""$target$""" field=linktype value="link">L
>>> <$radio tiddler="""$target$""" field=linktype value="trans">T
>>> <$radio tiddler="""$target$""" field=linktype value="edit">E
>>> <$reveal type="match" text="link" state=<>>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> <$reveal type="match" text="trans" state=<>>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> <$reveal type="match" text="edit" state=<>>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$reveal type="match" text="yes" state="$:/state/publish">
>>> <$transclude tiddler="""$target$""" mode="block"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> $:/state/publish
>>>
>>> Publish? 
>>> <$radio tiddler="$:/state/publish" field="text" value="yes">Yes
>>> <$radio tiddler="$:/state/publish" field="text" value="no">No
>>>
>>> 
>>> <>
>>>
>>> "tle" stands for "Transclusion, Link, Edit". The "edit" part is clumsy 
>>> since it just uses the edit template without mods to make it flow in the 
>>> current river. But it basically works

[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

In my FF, I don't see those chevron's, BTW.

-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:28:20 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hello Matt,
> Your commend made me test the code in some other browsers
>
>1. In Edge it does not work, does not show even correct ordinal number!
>2. in FF it works fine, but drag and drop is too slow (not related to 
>my issue)
>
> It seems you are correct! I appreciate others if they have any experiences 
> on this!
>
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Questions about BOB for the TiddlyWiki toolmap

2018-11-05 Thread David Gifford

Hi Josiah and Mark

Sounds good to me. I made two categories

Servers, using TiddlyWiki with

Web hosting and publishing, using TiddlyWiki with

And Bob is in both.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:11:28 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> David, that doesn't look quite right. I use Bob purely locally at the 
> moment to build wiki. I think Mark S.' category was better . He's neutral 
> about hosting and posting, As it should be since Bob is  several things. It 
> can be Local server. It can be a Web Server. It can "communicate" between 
> wiki I understand the problem if you not used it, but I think its worth 
> trying to say what it is--which is not that easy, TBH.
>
> J. x
>
> On Sunday, 4 November 2018 17:35:30 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rather than create a separate category, I renamed the web publishing 
>> category to "Publishing and hosting TiddlyWikis on the web / on servers" 
>> and added Bob and TiddlyServer. Node.js has its own category.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 5:51:35 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I've run couple tests on Bob in the past week.
>>>
>>> IMO, I would put it, node.js, and tiddlyserver (which I just realized 
>>> isn't there yet) under a new category "Networked TiddlyWiki" (or maybe 
>>> "Servers"). Then any BOB-only plugins could go below the BOB entry.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:33:05 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 I am not up to speed on Bob. Some tell me it has a significant learning 
 curve, something I don't have time or energy for right now.

 So my questions are:

 1. What category or categories should it be included under in the 
 TiddlyWiki toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)?

 2. Should it also be its own category? That is, is Bob something that 
 could spawn Bob-specific plugins, extentions, tools, etc that should be 
 counted as a separate category or ecosystem?

 Thanks and blessings,

>>>

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki Google Forum Shortcut keys

Not related to TW but for working a Tiddlywiki Google forum:

Good to know

pressing ? shows the shortcut keys!

Shift + a : makes all read


Mohammad

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[tw5] edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-05 Thread Jan


|Dear Writers

Is there something like
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
$param="write-selection-to"||title/>

I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of students. 
To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to the Tiddlers 
created.
This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this structure 
[[selection{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]


I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...

|  
\define Userlink()

[[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
\end

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="excise"
title="$:/Temp/newlink"
type="link"
/>
<$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" $param="replace-selection"  
text=<> />


Is there a solution for this Problem?

Greetings Jan

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Datebook or Journal for the new year

Really interesting!
many thanks for sharing

Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

Hello Matt,
Your commend made me test the code in some other browsers

   1. In Edge it does not work, does not show even correct ordinal number!
   2. in FF it works fine, but drag and drop is too slow (not related to my 
   issue)

It seems you are correct! I appreciate others if they have any experiences 
on this!


Best
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

Hello Mark,
 I mean the small arrows. To reproduce the issue

   1.  from sidebar click on "Slider Manager" Tab
   2. Expand the TOC by clicking on small arrows (not important, but note 
   that the Slider Manager Tab is open)
   3. Now in "Sl-Tutorial" tiddler (one is open at the top) drag and drop 
   tiddlers in the list
   4. Note to the ordinal numbers


Cheers
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[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

2018-11-05 Thread Matthew Lauber

As far as I can tell, this is a rare bug in browser behavior in Chrome.  
Nothing in the html for the lists specifies the numbers.  It's supposed to 
automatically calculate them when rendering.  I wonder if we're not 
managing to cause it to confuse it by changing the order.  I note that I 
cannot reproduce the bug in firefox.  

Matt

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:08:46 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> *A Customized TOC and **list-tagged-draggable*
>
> Inspired from the work by @TonyM 
> ,
>  
> I have a two levels TOC macro. It uses a simple nested list widget.
> Then I use the *list-tagged-draggable*  macro to re arrange the list or 
> add new tiddler. Strangely when I use
> grad and drop to re arrange the tiddlers I got wrong ordinal number!
>
> Is *list-tagged-draggable*  macro buggy? Or something I missed in the 
> code?
>
> A demo to reproduce the issue can be found here
>
> http://kookma.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> Best
>
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?

I don't understand the instructions. What chevrons? 

-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:08:46 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> *A Customized TOC and **list-tagged-draggable*
>
> Inspired from the work by @TonyM 
> ,
>  
> I have a two levels TOC macro. It uses a simple nested list widget.
> Then I use the *list-tagged-draggable*  macro to re arrange the list or 
> add new tiddler. Strangely when I use
> grad and drop to re arrange the tiddlers I got wrong ordinal number!
>
> Is *list-tagged-draggable*  macro buggy? Or something I missed in the 
> code?
>
> A demo to reproduce the issue can be found here
>
> http://kookma.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> Best
>
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

So, your journal tiddler could have a field with a standard name (afm, 
linux) where you note activities (e.g. afm: recalibrated the influx 
manifold). Then you could have a tiddler "afm" with a view template that 
lists all tiddler names and row contents for those actions. e.g.

2018-10-08 recalibrated the influx manifold
2018-11-05 Looked up definition of AFM.
...

-- Mark


On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:02:12 AM UTC-8, DemoniWaari wrote:
>
>
> Ah yes but that is not what I mean. What I need is that Tiddler3 is static 
> and I do not touch that, it just gathers information *about *Tiddler3 and 
> presents those neatly. In essence I have a Journal to which I write every 
> day. Each row (usually) has a reference to another tiddler, such as Linux 
> or AFM or whatever. Then those Linux and AFM have their own tiddlers and if 
> I want to quickly see what I have been doing with AFM I can just go to AFM 
> tiddler and immediately see "oh on 5.11.2018 I analyzed this sample, no 
> need to do that again". Using the references technique for this all I see 
> is that *I did something *with AFM on 5.11.2018 and I still need to click 
> and open up that tiddler and look into more closely what I did. I do not 
> want to open up dozens of tiddlers just to see what I have actually done 
> lately. Thus, I would like to see the referenced tiddler (5.11.2018) and 
> right below it *just the row where it is mentioned*. Hopefully this 
> clears things up!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

For a new user, the "recent" tab is a working TOC.

A real TOC means that there has to be a relationship between tiddlers, 
based on tagging. So there could be no automatic TOC without forcing a 
structure on people. I guess you could have every tiddler automatically 
tagged as "Unassigned" and then have a TOC based on that tag. But it would 
be functionally no different from the "Recent" tab until the user learned 
how to create their own tag tree.

Your notes are really good. If it was a year ago, I would probably take 
them and make a PR (that's an update request to the Github repository) with 
all or most of the changes. But knowing that the changes might sit in limbo 
for months or years   (by which time the technology might have changed), 
that approach is less appealing.

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:21:29 PM UTC-8, S. S. wrote:
>
> *Below is a short excerpt of my notes from when I first started using 
> TiddlyWiki.*
>
> *- begin -*
>
> When I was brand new to TiddlyWiki, one of the first things I did was to 
> add some tiddlers with a few notes from my extensive personal notes text 
> file. Just Tiddler Titles, and a sentence or two of text in each tiddler. 
> Once I had done a few of those and saved the file, I wanted to know how to 
> find them easily again. The "Recent" tab did not seem the right way. I 
> wanted a "Contents" tab like on the TW5 home page 
> , and I wondered why there wasn't one. After 
> all, the TiddlyWiki homepage had a Contents tab - why was mine missing 
> this? And why was it missing that  icon? "Strange", I thought.
>
>
> I typed "Contents" into the search bar of my TW - but nothing.
> Then , I typed "Contents" into the search bar on the TiddlyWiki home page, 
> and opened the tiddler named "*Contents*"
> This was not useful. In fact it caused a lot of confusion as it was full 
> of strange Latin writing, and led onwards to "*Table-of-Contents Macros 
> (Examples)*".
>
> Next from the search box I clicked on "*Adding a table of contents to the 
> sidebar*". I read this but found it confusing. What was the "sidebar"? 
> What did "Give it the tag $:/tags/SideBar" mean? What was a "tag?" How did 
> one "give the tag?" (Some days later, when I had figured these out, even 
> when I made the " TableOfContents" tiddler, nothing showed up.)
>
> On the last line of the "*Adding a table of contents to the sidebar*" 
> tiddler, it says: 
> "Add entries to the table of contents by creating tiddlers tagged 
> TableOfContents. An easy way is to choose < new-here icon> new here from 
> the tiddler toolbar. To create sub-entries, tag them with the name of the 
> parent entry."
>
> There was no  on the tiddler toolbar. Without clear 
> instructions, it was not "intuitive" to find this by clicking the 
>  on the upper right of the tiddler.
>
> Nor was it clear what "creating sub entries" meant. How did one "create 
> sub entries?" More confusing was "tag them with the name of the parent 
> entry." What was a "tag?" How did one tag? What was a "parent entry?"
>
> On the top line of the tiddler - *Adding a table of contents to the 
> sidebar* - is the following line:
> A customisable *table of contents* can be added to the sidebar with the 
> following steps:
>
> Clicking the link: *table of contents* : takes on the the tiddler: 
> *Table-of-Contents 
> Macros*
> What is a Macro? How does one use these? : *toc toc-expandable 
> toc-selective-expandable toc-tabbed-internal-nav and 
> toc-tabbed-external-nav* 
> More confusion.
>
> A little too advanced flow for the beginner. As a first step, I just want 
> a table of contents that shows the few new tiddlers I have just made. That 
> would make me so happy. Later, I can figure out how to do more, but right 
> now, at the beginning, when I am just starting, I want it simple and easy, 
> and to be able to see some result immediately.
>
> *- end -*
>
> Making the layout of the empty TW similar to the what is on tiddlywiki.com 
> could be beneficial. It avoids the initial confusion of "why are these 
> missing?"
> That would mean having a "Contents" tab, and also displaying the 
> "More-actions" icon. 
>
> The challenge might be - WHAT tiddler(s) are included in the empty.html 
> that will be tagged with "TableOfContents" so that they show up in the 
> newly included "*TableOfContents*" tiddler? What will they refer to? A 
> few basic help tiddlers? An empty Journal entry?
>
> I imagine the LESS clutter in the empty.html the better, so what is the 
> right balance? 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Thanks Josiah, I will see if I can install Timimi!

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:11:07 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR THOUSAND 
> views!
>
> Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
> several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi.
>
> It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

This thread is a marker for what users need. It has had over FOUR THOUSAND 
views!

Mark S. gave good solutions. There are others. IMO timimi is good for 
several platforms, including OSX, https://github.com/ibnishak/Rimini.

It saves in the seamless way TiddlyFox did.

Josiah

On Monday, 5 November 2018 14:44:50 UTC+1, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
> again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
> still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
> to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
> place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
> have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
> really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
> TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
> have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Thanks for the suggestions, Mark.  I use OSX on a Mac.  I have most of my 
TW files in my MyDocs folder and various sub-folders in there. 
I tried tiddlyserver a while back and briefly got it to work.  I can't 
remember why I stopped using it.  Something about it conflicted with my 
usual workflow.
I'll look into TiddlyBackup.


On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:50:09 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There are multiple approaches that will allow you to keep your existing 
> TW's and pathing IF your paths are relative, you're running  Windows or 
> Linux. Nothing is as convenient to set up as TiddlyFox, but it is doable.
>
> You can use tiddlyserver. ts serves up most files and uses relative paths.
>
> You can use TiddlyBackup and links (Symbolic in Linux, Junctions in 
> Windows). You set up a sub-directory of your download directory, put links 
> in it that connect to your original location. This tricks the browser into 
> thinking your paths are below the download directory.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>>
>> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with 
>> TiddlyWiki again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with 
>> TiddlyWiki.  I still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to 
>> have to switch to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files 
>> all over the place, named due to their subject and in many different 
>> folders.  So far, I have not been able to relocate these to a single 
>> location, and I don't really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML 
>> files that link to my TW files in their present locations.  In order to 
>> move my TW files, I'd have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
>> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
>> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
>> but its not convenient.  
>> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
>> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
>> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
>> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
>> reorganization.
>> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
>> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
>> anymore.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

There are multiple approaches that will allow you to keep your existing 
TW's and pathing IF your paths are relative, you're running  Windows or 
Linux. Nothing is as convenient to set up as TiddlyFox, but it is doable.

You can use tiddlyserver. ts serves up most files and uses relative paths.

You can use TiddlyBackup and links (Symbolic in Linux, Junctions in 
Windows). You set up a sub-directory of your download directory, put links 
in it that connect to your original location. This tricks the browser into 
thinking your paths are below the download directory.

-- Mark

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-8, Boaz Nash wrote:
>
> Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
> again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
> still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
> to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
> place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
> have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
> really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
> TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
> have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
> I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it 
> doesn't work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, 
> but its not convenient.  
> When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but 
> it feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
> I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it 
> will involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major 
> reorganization.
> Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
> benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
> anymore.
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw5] [Idea] #43 - The Podule

One of the interesting things about TiddlyWiki is its self-contained. Sure, 
it needs a browser to run normally. But that gives it longevity. But its 
"quine" nature makes its different than other wiki. I think, long term, 
more Survivalist.

Looking at Spielberg's pre-crime drama, MINORITY REPORT, there is an 
interesting section when the hero plays back to himself recorded memories 
of his lost wife and child. It struck me that could be TW playing it. 
http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/minorityreportholograms.mp4/view

Broad thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

Just found this thread and thought I'd try to get involved with TiddlyWiki 
again.  This issue with TiddlyFox really killed me with TiddlyWiki.  I 
still use Firefox as my default browser, so its annoying to have to switch 
to a different browser just for TW.  Also, I have TW files all over the 
place, named due to their subject and in many different folders.  So far, I 
have not been able to relocate these to a single location, and I don't 
really want to do that.  I also have some simple HTML files that link to my 
TW files in their present locations.  In order to move my TW files, I'd 
have to rewrite the links for all these HTML files.
I invested heavily in the approach allowed by TiddlyFox, and now it doesn't 
work anymore.  Its been almost a year, and I still try to use TW, but its 
not convenient.  
When I really want to edit my TiddlyWiki files, I use TiddlyDesktop, but it 
feels a lot less convenient than using it from FireFox.  
I will try to make another attempt to find a new approach.  I guess it will 
involve throwing away a lot of files or some kind of major reorganization.
Thanks for suggestions.  I don't mean to just gripe.  I got a lot of 
benefit out of TiddlyWiki.  But for the last year it hasn't worked for me 
anymore.

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, Norm Davis wrote:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: Simple Search

Telmiger and you are the nicest looking people here :-)

J.

On Monday, 5 November 2018 12:55:01 UTC+1, JD wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas, 
>
> Thanks for sharing! This is a much needed functionality. Looks nice as 
> well :D
>
> -jd
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:06:39 AM UTC+9, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> The new *Simple Search* plugin provides a *nice and simple user 
>> interface* for searching your wikis using the *TW standard search.* It 
>> is designed for mobile and desktop screens.
>>
>> The plugin hides the search input field in the sidebar and displays a new 
>> button in the page toolbar instead. 
>>
>>
>> At the click/tap of the button, a layer appears and the focus is set to 
>> the search field. Clicking/tapping a search result or anywhere outside the 
>> search box makes the layer disappear. 
>>
>>
>> [image: simple-search-mobile.png]
>>
>>
>> You can try it here: 
>>
>>- https://tid.li/tw5/test/search-5-1-18pre.html – development wiki, 
>>no plugin
>>- https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html – alternative design, search icon in 
>>top right toolbar (close sidebar: still there)
>>
>> And of course also on https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html from where you can 
>> install the plugin via drag and drop.
>>
>> The readme tab of the plugin contains *options/settings* for
>>
>>- animation duration – make sure to use a significantly lower value 
>>(e.g. 150) than the original TW setting (400)
>>- border colour – make the search box stand out in any design, light 
>>or dark
>>- where to show the button – page toolbar in the sidebar or top right 
>>bar (you might want to modify other design aspects if you use the latter)
>>- edit mode – if you want to change the search tiddler, you can 
>>activate the edit icon
>>
>> Last but not least there is a new way to measure the popularity of my 
>> plugins: Inspired by others who did the same, for the first time I 
>> published the coordinates for financially rewarding my laborious works :)
>> Of course the plugin is *free and open source* as always (MIT license 
>> included). No need to pay for anything! But if you absolutely want, you can.
>>
>> As valuable as payments: Promotion (tell your friends) and feedback in 
>> any form! Here in the forum or via direct message (click answer here, 
>> choose *private* option/tell your friends via twitter or e-mail). Thank 
>> you!
>>
>> Now, please make a backup, install, reload and have fun searching.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Thomas
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

2018-11-05 Thread bimlas

Before you go very far, how would you like me to do a questionnaire about 
what the new users want to see? Now my time does not allow me to make one, 
but you can easily do that on https://www.google.com/forms/about/

The users have described their experience and can express their needs in 
this form.

2018. november 5., hétfő 12:57:51 UTC+1 időpontban TonyM a következőt írta:
>
> I think Bimlas is in a unique position to ask this type of question 
> because bimlas has a technical mind and is delivering real value to the 
> community, such as with the kin operator yet is finding it difficult to do 
> things that should be somewhat intuitive to new users.
>
> Building a toc is a simple, and some would say should be an automatic 
> outcome of using tiddlywiki. 
>
> I always try and put myself in the mind of a nieve user even although I 
> have years of IT expierence. I remain empathetic to Bimlas's dismay that 
> the new tiddlywiki user expirence is difficult, it stopped me jumping from 
> twc for years. I see no reason to force the first expirence of new users to 
> be a minimal empty version designed for distribution of a minimalist build 
> for expirenced users.
>
> I have started building a new user edition. It has a toc and tells you to 
> use "new here" to build it.
>
> Regards
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Outreach] Communicating to writers the benefits of TW -- #21 FUTURE TIDDLERS

AdamS wrote:
>
> I've come to TiddlyWiki as a potential platform for writing. I'm still 
> trying to get it setup to do what I want it to do. I'm not really a 
> programmer. So there isn't much I know how to contribute there, but I can 
> think of some features that I think would improve ease for writers.
>

I feel your difficulty. 

As a relative newbie you have the big hurdle of not knowing what exists 
that could help.

Reading your post I highly recommend you look at the work of Thomas Elmiger 
(https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html)  he's the writer's friend :-) for 
instance ...

- His counter (that builds of OokTech's) has colour coding for target 
numbers and better configuration ... 
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FEditorCounter

- If you writing a book or sectioned document his ListReveal could help ... 
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2Flistreveal

- He has a useful notes/footnotes gizmo that dynamically gives the 
numbering using CSS counters (note its experimental!) ... 
https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#TextStretch%20Footnotes%20Extracted%20as%20List

He has other helpful tools too, you'll see.

The PLACEHOLDER idea looks very promising. Both BTC & Mark S. show ways it 
could work. It needs a lot of work yet but it could address the need for 
more "in context" editing that folk who just want to write need.

HTH
Josiah
 

>
> So far, I've included tongerner's sticky tiddlersbar and some of his 
> associated plugins for easy navigation. 
>
> I've also included OokTech's word counter, which is great. Though I'm 
> wondering (as a non-programmer) if there is someway to use the same parser 
> that manages the markup vs. visible text distinction to create a word 
> counter that just counts visible text.
>
> Some kind of placeholder would be fantastic. Though even just a footnote 
> system that incremented automatically and used the form [[superscript 1 | 
> tiddler link]] would be great.
>
> Another thing that I think would be useful is an easy to use and navigate 
> parent/child relationships that didn't rely on tags but on some kind of 
> custom field that got auto-populated with child/parent links. This would be 
> useful for version control and editing, I think. First draft being the 
> root, and various other versions branching off it. Something like that. 
> That, in cunjunction with tiddlymap would be a wonder.
>
> Tongerner also has a "new template tiddler" button. I wonder if that could 
> be adapted to easily make multiple new custom template buttons for 
> initializing different kinds of tiddlers with ease.
>
> I realize this is turning into a sort of feature wishlist. Sorry about 
> that. 
>
> The only other thing that springs to mind is a clone of The Most Dangerous 
> Writing App. For those who haven't used it, it's a web app in which you 
> must type constantly for some set amount of time (say 5 minutes) and if you 
> stop typing for more than three seconds, it erases everything you've 
> written. That, combined with custom template tiddlers, so you could 
> initialize a Most Dangerous Writing App tiddler that would then become a 
> normal tiddler (preserving your text) once the time limit had been reached.
>
> Any suggestions of where I could look, or how I could help in making 
> something like this are most welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:28:56 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S.
>>
>> I am still playing around with this and thinking about it. I think its 
>> *really* good. 
>>
>> More than anything its suggestive of a potential full design to be able 
>> to handle "placeholders" of all types. So you don't need a footnote plugin, 
>> or a stretch-text plugin, or manually typing commands for inline v. block 
>> transclusion,  or ferreting around for transcluded Tiddler that hasn't been 
>> created yet. You have one in-line interface that handles it all. 
>>
>> It looks to me as if this one approach could, maybe, handle the whole 
>> shbang?
>>
>> I'll comment more fully later.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 September 2018 00:04:45 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a start that has most of the mentioned features:
>>>
>>> \define linkfullname() $(target)$!!linktype
>>> \define makelink() 
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="""$(target)$!!caption""" text="">
>>> <$set name=title tiddler="""$(target)$""" field="caption">
>>> <$link to="$(target)$"><>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <$reveal type="match" state="""$(target)$!!caption""" text="">
>>> [[$(target)$]]
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> \define maketrans() <$transclude tiddler="""$(target)$""" mode="block"/>
>>> \define makeedit() {{$(target)$||$:/core/ui/EditTemplate}}
>>> \define tle(target)
>>> <$set name="target" value="""$target$""">
>>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="yes" state="$:/state/publish">
>>> <$radio tiddler="""$target$""" field=linktype value="link">L
>>> <$radio tiddler="""$target$""" field=linktype value="trans">T

[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

I think Bimlas is in a unique position to ask this type of question because 
bimlas has a technical mind and is delivering real value to the community, such 
as with the kin operator yet is finding it difficult to do things that should 
be somewhat intuitive to new users.

Building a toc is a simple, and some would say should be an automatic outcome 
of using tiddlywiki. 

I always try and put myself in the mind of a nieve user even although I have 
years of IT expierence. I remain empathetic to Bimlas's dismay that the new 
tiddlywiki user expirence is difficult, it stopped me jumping from twc for 
years. I see no reason to force the first expirence of new users to be a 
minimal empty version designed for distribution of a minimalist build for 
expirenced users.

I have started building a new user edition. It has a toc and tells you to use 
"new here" to build it.

Regards

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: Simple Search

2018-11-05 Thread JD

Hi Thomas, 

Thanks for sharing! This is a much needed functionality. Looks nice as well 
:D

-jd

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 12:06:39 AM UTC+9, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> The new *Simple Search* plugin provides a *nice and simple user interface* 
> for searching your wikis using the *TW standard search.* It is designed 
> for mobile and desktop screens.
>
> The plugin hides the search input field in the sidebar and displays a new 
> button in the page toolbar instead. 
>
>
> At the click/tap of the button, a layer appears and the focus is set to 
> the search field. Clicking/tapping a search result or anywhere outside the 
> search box makes the layer disappear. 
>
>
> [image: simple-search-mobile.png]
>
>
> You can try it here: 
>
>- https://tid.li/tw5/test/search-5-1-18pre.html – development wiki, no 
>plugin
>- https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html – alternative design, search icon in 
>top right toolbar (close sidebar: still there)
>
> And of course also on https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html from where you can 
> install the plugin via drag and drop.
>
> The readme tab of the plugin contains *options/settings* for
>
>- animation duration – make sure to use a significantly lower value 
>(e.g. 150) than the original TW setting (400)
>- border colour – make the search box stand out in any design, light 
>or dark
>- where to show the button – page toolbar in the sidebar or top right 
>bar (you might want to modify other design aspects if you use the latter)
>- edit mode – if you want to change the search tiddler, you can 
>activate the edit icon
>
> Last but not least there is a new way to measure the popularity of my 
> plugins: Inspired by others who did the same, for the first time I 
> published the coordinates for financially rewarding my laborious works :)
> Of course the plugin is *free and open source* as always (MIT license 
> included). No need to pay for anything! But if you absolutely want, you can.
>
> As valuable as payments: Promotion (tell your friends) and feedback in any 
> form! Here in the forum or via direct message (click answer here, choose 
> *private* option/tell your friends via twitter or e-mail). Thank you!
>
> Now, please make a backup, install, reload and have fun searching.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: [Outreach] Communicating to writers the benefits of TW -- #21 FUTURE TIDDLERS

Ciao S. S.

That's a very interesting wiki illustrating that writers need Templates and 
confidence getting on to solve it. By "templates", ultimately, I guess the 
nicest way would be to be able to do something like Word does 
... like "save this as a template" .. in TW its not yet quite that easy. 
But templating matters if you write a lot.

Best wishes
Josiah

S. S. wrote:

>
> This is how I use a drop-down list of buttons to create new tiddlers from 
> templates: Buttons for Making New Tiddlers 
> . 
>

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[tw5] Re: Questions about BOB for the TiddlyWiki toolmap

David, that doesn't look quite right. I use Bob purely locally at the 
moment to build wiki. I think Mark S.' category was better . He's neutral 
about hosting and posting, As it should be since Bob is  several things. It 
can be Local server. It can be a Web Server. It can "communicate" between 
wiki I understand the problem if you not used it, but I think its worth 
trying to say what it is--which is not that easy, TBH.

J. x

On Sunday, 4 November 2018 17:35:30 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rather than create a separate category, I renamed the web publishing 
> category to "Publishing and hosting TiddlyWikis on the web / on servers" 
> and added Bob and TiddlyServer. Node.js has its own category.
>
> Blessings
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 5:51:35 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I've run couple tests on Bob in the past week.
>>
>> IMO, I would put it, node.js, and tiddlyserver (which I just realized 
>> isn't there yet) under a new category "Networked TiddlyWiki" (or maybe 
>> "Servers"). Then any BOB-only plugins could go below the BOB entry.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:33:05 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am not up to speed on Bob. Some tell me it has a significant learning 
>>> curve, something I don't have time or energy for right now.
>>>
>>> So my questions are:
>>>
>>> 1. What category or categories should it be included under in the 
>>> TiddlyWiki toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)?
>>>
>>> 2. Should it also be its own category? That is, is Bob something that 
>>> could spawn Bob-specific plugins, extentions, tools, etc that should be 
>>> counted as a separate category or ecosystem?
>>>
>>> Thanks and blessings,
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Why is there no table of content in the empty wiki?

All ...

This is a fabulous thread! It seriously thought about issues of
"starting-out with TW."

I really appreciate the detailed posts by "s. s."
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/y7THOx9VJtQ) and
"aged..."
(https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/y7THOx9VJtQ/7LpWGGXSAwAJ). Its
important if you are interested in broader reach for TW to understand,
specifically, the needs of potential users who guess it can help them but
just want to get on with it, not spend weeks figuring out what is going on.

Regarding the OP, the issue was, in a way, whether "empty" is "too empty"
-- especially with regards to a TOC. I agree in the sense that "empty" is,
in many ways a "tabula rasa" (blank slate) that can be confusing. But it
has much merit NOT getting too structured too early.

I'm also skeptical that adding a "standard" TOC to "empty" will solve the
"newbie" problem in the way needed. This is because the KIND of TOC needed
would vary by the FUNCTIONAL needs of the user. For instance,
tiddlywiki.com has a TOC for **its** purpose ... but someone writing a
novel would need a different TOC structure; and a person writing and
publishing Tweets to Twitter a different one again; or a gamer with yet
other needs; so too a blogger.

The key point I think I'm trying to get to is that uptake would be improved
with more "Start Wiki" -- One for programmers, one for fiction writers, one
for social networkers etc. To some extent "editions" available via
tiddlywiki.com provide some of that. But they are "bare-bones" (and need to
be because Central Services can't possibly deal with all the variant
potential usages). So by "Start Wiki" I'm meaning TW that are more
replete--for instance a "Novelists Starter Kit TW" might include plugins
for organising tiddlers by, say, "Chapter"? (Thomas Elmigers "ListReveal"
would to that very well--probably fat better than a TOC in a menu)

In other words, I think the broader issue is as much about having a larger
"showcase" of TW implementations. I'd say the "TOC issue" is simply *A*
signal of the lack of "Start Wiki".

Those are my current reflections.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Extracting a specific row of text from a tiddler?

As with the excise tool you could provide a field name or allow a default to be 
generated.

Tony

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[tw5] What is the issue with list-tagged-draggable?