date:20190312

Further input

-Open app information
-Manually add permission to storage

-Open the app
now it is WORKING!

--Mohammad


On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 7:20:02 AM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Android 9
>
> Uninstall previous version. Install new v-0-0-8a
> Open the app
>
> Small white widow appears
>
> Quinoid keeps stopping
>
> App info
> Close app
>
> NOT working!
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 2:42:40 AM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> This version adds a menu item "Resources" that activates an activity page 
>> from whence a user can select a variety of existing resources (TW files) to 
>> download. 
>> The activity page is, in turn, driven by a configurable file, allowing 
>> advanced users to share their own curated selection of TW sites. Please see 
>> the Readme.
>>
>> The referenced resources include Todo Now, Expense Tracker, Quinoid 
>> Readme, and Empty Editions.
>>
>> As always, consider this highly alpha. I was kind of worn out, and 
>> testing was very light. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> Readme: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
>>
>> Release: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases
>>
>> quinoid-v0-0-8a-190312a.apk 
>> 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

Android 9

Uninstall previous version. Install new v-0-0-8a
Open the app

Small white widow appears

Quinoid keeps stopping

App info
Close app

NOT working!

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 2:42:40 AM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> This version adds a menu item "Resources" that activates an activity page 
> from whence a user can select a variety of existing resources (TW files) to 
> download. 
> The activity page is, in turn, driven by a configurable file, allowing 
> advanced users to share their own curated selection of TW sites. Please see 
> the Readme.
>
> The referenced resources include Todo Now, Expense Tracker, Quinoid 
> Readme, and Empty Editions.
>
> As always, consider this highly alpha. I was kind of worn out, and testing 
> was very light. 
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
>
> Readme: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
>
> Release: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases
>
> quinoid-v0-0-8a-190312a.apk 
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Toolmap additions

Hi David,
I think the https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Welcome is also should added to 
this category!

I will send other links later.

Mohammad

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 12:50:30 AM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Ok thanks Mohammad, I added it to Advanced, and created a new category 
> Scripts.
>
> Are there any other tools you know of that belong in the Scripts category?
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:23:09 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hello David,
>>  I think Developer/advanced tools is one place to Tiddlywiki Components
>> The other can be Tiddlywiki Scripting
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 9:23:54 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I will be leaving tomorrow for a week at a work retreat. But I caught 
>>> up, I think, on adding the many interesting recent tools to the TiddlyWiki 
>>> toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)
>>>
>>> 1. SNR plugin - added to Searching tools
>>> 2. Repopup - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and 
>>> sliders
>>> 3. Volant - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
>>> 4. Engine - added to Layout/UI - General
>>> 5. Mentat - added to Layout/UI - General
>>> 6. Mindfulness topic modeling - added to Educational - examples of 
>>> organizing and presenting content
>>> 7. Anchor links using HTML - added to Links, linking and to Navigation - 
>>> Tables of contents and outliners
>>>
>>> [I already started playing yesterday with #7! I have been wanting 
>>> something like this for some time. See 
>>> http://articulos.giffmex.org/sab/templates/anchors.template.html for a 
>>> template I created for myself for using anchor IDs in TW.]
>>>
>>> If any of the above items need to be added to additional categories, 
>>> feel free to reply on this thread and I will get to it as able.
>>>
>>> One tool got left behind: I am not sure what to do with TW Components. 
>>> Maybe someone can either suggest categories to put it under, or maybe 
>>> someone whom I gave access to, can add it to the right category/ies in the 
>>> toolmap? Or perhaps it is a matter of adding each component separately? 
>>> Anyway, I am sure they are helpful tools, but I don't have time today to 
>>> spend tinkering with them to figure out what they are and where they go in 
>>> the toolmap.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

2019-03-12 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Hi Tony,

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 7:08:02 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Settings  > Apps > Quinoid > Uninstall
> App Installed 190312b
>

The "b" version matches (I think) the original version you first had on 
your machine, but not the "a" version you installed earlier today. 
Something about the key selection is different between a and b. Something I 
need to figure out. For most people (I think) the "b" should match what 
they have on their machine.

> What is unassigned key?
> When the app was running (not currently) It was a button in the Quinoid 
> list, No + Button was present at the top

... 

> I had no + Menu, only  "Find TW File" button

 There's no + button on the top of your list page? I can't imagine how that 
could happen. Is it possible to take a screenshot? 
Different machines have different gestures for screenshots. I think it's 
usually a palm swipe.

I updated Quinoid on My Android 8.0 and It all updated correctly, the 
> resources work, but since there was no feedback I did install todo now 
> twice by mistake.
>

Yes. I need to add some feedback (probably a quick pop-up message) to that 
process.

Thanks!
-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

Hi TonyM,

Imagine you are in a Vector diagram editor, Photoshop etc... you can move 
> items between layers.
>
> That we could select a tiddler and "Move to Back" would be like placing it 
> on the background such that other "Floating" tiddlers, even standard 
> tiddlers, would be in the midground. 
>

Gotcha. Okay. Interesting idea. I'm not sure about incorporating standard 
tiddlers. I sort of feel that same effect is achievable in a story window 
tiddler, but it gives you other options as well. But moving to the back 
could be nice. Trying to think of a nice way that could be accessible in 
the UI without creating clutter. Food for thought.

Of course when we click on a tiddler it will be displayed fully, clicking 
> another it will return to the position. Your pileup does this according to 
> the active tiddler, but when we are focused on another perhaps they could 
> move to their set position.
>

Is that a set position in depth? That's interesting. I took an approach 
that favors recency. I think adding a set depth to each tiddler is 
certainly possible. But it might start to get troublesome if you have 
various configurations that you like to flip through. If it is in Mentat, 
the depth of windows could be configured by session just as the other 
position information is. But if we are just dealing with vanilla Volant 
tiddlers, that might not work without adding a fairly complex system. 

If you aren't talking about a set position in depth, the maximize system 
does just that. But it has only been configured to work with window 
tiddlers. That could be changed however. Are you talking about having the 
change occur whenever you click on a tiddler? Or just when you use a button 
like the maximize button?

Perhaps we could "minimise" a tiddler to a row at the bottom of the screen 
> such that clicking will open it "Restore" in the previous positions, and 
> full screen the tiddler as well.
>

This is a great idea. The Mentat plugin has an Engine tiddler that holds 
windows at the bottom of the viewport, but they're just buttons. 
Interesting to think about making a sort of icon of the window. It might be 
costly in terms of performance, I don't rightly know, but that would make 
Mentat feel more like a desktop, which was a big inspiration for the 
interface. 

>- Provide a larger virtual wiki space, large than the physical screen 
>in which we can arrange tiddlers, with mouse or arrow keys scrolling 
>left/right up/down.
>   - This would allow those popular and "sexy" presentations that move 
>   the perspective not the content - if you know what I mean
>   - With a zoom out option to see them all.
>
> That's what $:/VolantAbsolute tiddlers are for. Eventually. Engine and 
Mentat are explorations of the fixed $:/Volant tiddlers. But the 
$:/VolantAbsolute tiddlers will get their time in the sun, too, I think. I 
need to take a break and work on some other projects, but that's very much 
on my radar. In part, the easy drag mode was put in place with this in 
mind. If you zoom out, you're not going to be able to grab the margins. 
You'll want to be able to simply grab the whole tiddler.

I would be keen to see a filter based and "multiple engines" option, for 
> example when I change projects be able to display the key tiddlers for that 
> project.
>

Yes. I think that's a good idea at some point. I erred on the side of 
having things quickly configurable but simple with the Engine plugin. There 
were already so many new systems to grapple with. But yeah, I think that 
could be useful.

There has being a proposed feature for "Stacked" story view that is 
> continuously held back for later release, see bottom of 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20Pre-release this may be 
> able to be implemented in your solution but may require more levels than 
> background, middleground and foreground.
>

I think the Volant plugin might be overkill for that. But I should think it 
would be possible. 

I am really looking forward to the potential of your solution when using 
> tiddlers with internal navigation or iframes to other sites and wikis. It 
> may behave like a Wiki of Wikis
>

Wiki of Wikis sounds really cool. To my mind, ideally Tiddlywiki would be a 
one-stop-shop for all a person's notes and information. Having the ability 
to seamlessly navigate from wiki to wiki would be amazing.  

Thanks for all the suggestions. It may be a few months before I have the 
chance to take on any of this stuff. I'm trying to get job ready with the 
programming at the moment, and I'm a bit behind where I want to be. But I 
definitely plan on returning to this stuff!

Best wishes,

Admls

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 1:00:06 AM UTC, TonyM wrote:
>
> Admls,
>
> I apologize for asking for new features, of an already powerful solution, 
> the thing is your solution is very inspiring.
>
> Sorry I should have made it clearer. Imagine you are in a Vector diagram 
> editor,

[tw5] No Close Button on Popup dialogues "modals" and TiddlyMap?

Folks,

I installed tiddlymap to an existing wiki *5.1.19*
However all the modals that popup do not have a close button
Fortunately I have a MyMenu that allows me to save and reload the wiki, but 
otherwise I would be dead in the water.
This problem my have pre-existed my TiddlyMap install, and only now I see 
it, not sure.

I believe this has already being encountered, can anyone share how to fix 
this and is it a bug, with a bug report?

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Embedding content using

One problem with the method, especially for locally served videos, is that
 has no access to  tag attributes, such as loop, autoplay,
and controls. The only way to set them would be to create a '.html' file
that just has the  tag with the attributes set, then use that as the
source instead of the video directly. This of course isn't a problem when
embedding content from external sites with custom players.

Kalcifer

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:08 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Thanks for Sharing.
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 12:46:31 PM UTC+11, Kalcifer Kandari wrote:
>>
>> I created a workaround for media where the aspect ratio is known. The
>> width can be set to 100%, and for 16:9, the height can be calculated using
>> this CSS: height: calc( ( 100vw - px ) / 16 * 9);,
>> where  is the total width of elements that do not
>> flex. @media would also need to be used as well for the sidebar
>> breakpoint.
>>
>> Not sure how elegant this is, but wouldn't be difficult to incorporate
>> into a macro where the CSS is inline and the aspect ratio is a parameter.
>>
>> Kalcifer
>>
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Re: [tw5] Embedding content using

Thanks for Sharing.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 12:46:31 PM UTC+11, Kalcifer Kandari wrote:
>
> I created a workaround for media where the aspect ratio is known. The 
> width can be set to 100%, and for 16:9, the height can be calculated using 
> this CSS: height: calc( ( 100vw - px ) / 16 * 9);, 
> where  is the total width of elements that do not 
> flex. @media would also need to be used as well for the sidebar 
> breakpoint.
>
> Not sure how elegant this is, but wouldn't be difficult to incorporate 
> into a macro where the CSS is inline and the aspect ratio is a parameter.
>
> Kalcifer
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

Mark, Comments in line


On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 12:20:59 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I appreciate your feedback!
>

And I your work 

>
> Did it force you to install a new version? 
>

I could not do my normal click on release and install over. I had to remove 
and install fresh

>
> I used a different machine, but (I thought) the usual key to do the 
> release. Just in case I messed up, I've just put a new release generated 
> with the original machine. But if everyone reports they "have" to 
> uninstall/install, then I'll know something else is going on.
>
 Once again installing from the apk I was questioend about update, 
proceeding I got the Message 
*App not installed*
*The package conflicts with an existing package by the same name.*

Settings  > Apps > Quinoid > Uninstall
App Installed 190312b
Unfortunately Quinoid has stopped, Open again, App keeps stopping
After a little while I added the permissions manually, storage and Location 
were in the list.
Opened Quinoid and it seems to be working

Regards
Tony



> Does it ask you for location permission? I haven't changed anything re geo 
> since the last update, where I tried to add some generic location 
> permissions. It's something else I need to research.
>

No it does not. I was used to adding this myself. 

>
> What is unassigned key?
>
When the app was running (not currently) It was a button in the Quinoid 
list, No + Button was present at the top
 

>
> Which method are you using to look for files? The "+" button, or the menu? 
> I think the latter. For the latter, on vsn 7, your files probably need to 
> be in a public space, either the downloads directory, or the documents 
> directory. For using the "+" button, you should be able to navigate to 
> "sourced" files such as pinned files provided by Google Drive.
>
I had no + Menu, only  "Find TW File" button

>
> Can you test the new "Resources" option from the menu? It should allow you 
> to download a file of your choice to somewhere public on your machine. The 
> path should be something like .../Documents/TwFiles/ where the ... will 
> depend on your machine. Once you have downloaded a file, you should (I 
> think) be able to use the "Find files" to find and add the downloaded file 
> (except it should already be in your list, but it's the principle I'm 
> concerned with).
>
No Resources option
 

>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
You are welcome.

Sorry to present such broad bugs on V7 android.

I updated Quinoid on My Android 8.0 and It all updated correctly, the 
resources work, but since there was no feedback I did install todo now 
twice by mistake.



Regards
Tony 

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Re: [tw5] Embedding content using

I created a workaround for media where the aspect ratio is known. The width
can be set to 100%, and for 16:9, the height can be calculated using this
CSS: height: calc( ( 100vw - px ) / 16 * 9);, where
 is the total width of elements that do not flex.
@media would also need to be used as well for the sidebar breakpoint.

Not sure how elegant this is, but wouldn't be difficult to incorporate into
a macro where the CSS is inline and the aspect ratio is a parameter.

Kalcifer

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 8:21:40 PM UTC+1, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Mario, your awesome. 


:)

But how should the link look like?

-m

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

2019-03-12 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Hi Tony,

I appreciate your feedback!

Did it force you to install a new version? 

I used a different machine, but (I thought) the usual key to do the 
release. Just in case I messed up, I've just put a new release generated 
with the original machine. But if everyone reports they "have" to 
uninstall/install, then I'll know something else is going on.

Does it ask you for location permission? I haven't changed anything re geo 
since the last update, where I tried to add some generic location 
permissions. It's something else I need to research.

What is unassigned key?

Which method are you using to look for files? The "+" button, or the menu? 
I think the latter. For the latter, on vsn 7, your files probably need to 
be in a public space, either the downloads directory, or the documents 
directory. For using the "+" button, you should be able to navigate to 
"sourced" files such as pinned files provided by Google Drive.

Can you test the new "Resources" option from the menu? It should allow you 
to download a file of your choice to somewhere public on your machine. The 
path should be something like .../Documents/TwFiles/ where the ... will 
depend on your machine. Once you have downloaded a file, you should (I 
think) be able to use the "Find files" to find and add the downloaded file 
(except it should already be in your list, but it's the principle I'm 
concerned with).

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:15:39 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Installed on my android 7.0. I had to uninstall the previous version 
> first, and manualy add the storage permission. I am not so sure now how to 
> add location permissions.
>
> I can only see "Find TW File" Browses storage,  and "Unassigned Key" - 
> does nothing, in the menu
> I no longer seem able to select html files even if I can find them in 
> "Find TW File"
>
> As a Result I can't test any further.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 10:12:40 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> This version adds a menu item "Resources" that activates an activity page 
>> from whence a user can select a variety of existing resources (TW files) to 
>> download. 
>> The activity page is, in turn, driven by a configurable file, allowing 
>> advanced users to share their own curated selection of TW sites. Please see 
>> the Readme.
>>
>> The referenced resources include Todo Now, Expense Tracker, Quinoid 
>> Readme, and Empty Editions.
>>
>> As always, consider this highly alpha. I was kind of worn out, and 
>> testing was very light. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> Readme: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
>>
>> Release: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases
>>
>> quinoid-v0-0-8a-190312a.apk 
>> 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:48:59 PM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey Mario,
> In my mind the consistenct of unilink has been:
>
> [[What-I-Want-To-Type|What-I-Want-To-Display]]
>

H, I can see the argument. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

Hi,

For me an alias has 2 major advantages. .. 

 1 Less to type (for the lazy folk ;)
 2 Links don't break, if tiddler gets a new title. 

IMO the OP should also be for "the lazy folk" ;)

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:48:59 PM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
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> ... In Stephen's first post, he mentioned giving every tiddler an alias of 
> its title, allowing you to use unilink unmodified. 
>

As I understand it, he don't want to give them an alias.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

Hi Arlen,
None of the links work for me. using FF latest. 
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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

Admls,

I apologize for asking for new features, of an already powerful solution, 
the thing is your solution is very inspiring.

Sorry I should have made it clearer. Imagine you are in a Vector diagram 
editor, Photoshop etc... you can move items between layers.

That we could select a tiddler and "Move to Back" would be like placing it 
on the background such that other "Floating" tiddlers, even standard 
tiddlers, would be in the midground. Selecting a tiddler and move to front 
would pull that tiddler forward so that it would overlap other tiddlers. To 
maintain control an intermediate position of middleground (perhaps as 
currently is operating). Of course when we click on a tiddler it will be 
displayed fully, clicking another it will return to the position. Your 
pileup does this according to the active tiddler, but when we are focused 
on another perhaps they could move to their set position.

This would allow dashboards with a higher screen density where clicking on 
part of the tiddler will make it visible. This starts to resemble the way 
we can arrange applications on our Desktop. 
Which  makes me wonder;

   - Perhaps we could "minimise" a tiddler to a row at the bottom of the 
   screen such that clicking will open it "Restore" in the previous positions, 
   and full screen the tiddler as well.
   - Provide a larger virtual wiki space, large than the physical screen in 
   which we can arrange tiddlers, with mouse or arrow keys scrolling 
   left/right up/down.
  - This would allow those popular and "sexy" presentations that move 
  the perspective not the content - if you know what I mean
  - With a zoom out option to see them all.
   - I would be keen to see a filter based and "multiple engines" option, 
   for example when I change projects be able to display the key tiddlers for 
   that project.

There has being a proposed feature for "Stacked" story view that is 
continuously held back for later release, see bottom 
of https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20Pre-release this may be 
able to be implemented in your solution but may require more levels than 
background, middleground and foreground.

I am really looking forward to the potential of your solution when using 
tiddlers with internal navigation or iframes to other sites and wikis. It 
may behave like a Wiki of Wikis.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 00:33:19 UTC+11, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody!
>
> Thank you all for your kind words. I worked really hard on this and it is 
> a huge relief that it might add something to the community!
>
> With the help of several people on this forum, the plugin packaging issues 
> I have had have been sorted. Here's the link to the demo again: Mentat 
> Demo . Please backup your wikis! And 
> keep in mind that, unfortunately, the Volant plugin overwrites 
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate. I couldn't find any 
> other way to make the popups work correctly. 
>
> That said, enjoy!
>
> @TonyM:
>
> Perhaps you could also think of enabling move to back, but I am not sure 
>> of the best way to find them again, perhaps using the link in the open 
>> sidebar tab.
>>
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving back. Could you 
> elaborate a bit? Like a back button for the story window tiddlers?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Admls
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:29:45 AM UTC, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi admls,
>>
>> Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing 
>> the window, and it looks so easy to style! 
>>
>> This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a 
>> separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served 
>> through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this 
>> will add to my workflow...
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>>>
>>> * Repopup
>>> * Volant
>>> * Engine
>>> * Mentat
>>>
>>> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>>>
>>> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, 
>>> is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who 
>>> wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to 
>>> get them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> admls
>>>
>>> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
>>> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
>>> how to polish it a bit.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

Nice Share,

I am yet to understand exactly when I may be using this but thanks for 
sharing such novel algorithms.

Tony

On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:11:06 UTC+11, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be 
> extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it 
> first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes 
> the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable 
> substitution as a paramater, like this: 
>
> \define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
> <$list filter=<> variable="temp">
>
> 
>
> In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if 
> the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element. 
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
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[tw5] Re: Classic view for TW 5

Roland,

I know how you feel changing from TWC to TW5 but I can assure you from my 
own experience this feeling passes. TW5 is much more feature rich in the 
User Interface customisation as built, that is without installing plugins, 
however there are plugins that present whole new ways at looking at 
tiddlers, there is much more customisation and perhaps 30% of TWC plugins 
have equivalents in the core now.

If you want help in this transition pick a use case from your existing TWC 
and ask the community how they would do it in TW5.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:30:54 UTC+11, Roland de Goeij wrote:
>
> Hi i have been using TWC for years but am running into compatibility 
> problems.
>
> I am trying to use TW5 but frnkaly i find the design much less useful than 
> twc. is there a way to make T@5 to look and feel like classic ?
>
> thanks!
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Where can I see demo of mobile drag and drop?

2019-03-12 Thread Ste Wilson

Just done a quick test, drag and drop doesn't work in tiddlywiki.com in chrome 
on android but does work with the shim. 

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

Mark,

Installed on my android 7.0. I had to uninstall the previous version first, 
and manualy add the storage permission. I am not so sure now how to add 
location permissions.

I can only see "Find TW File" Browses storage,  and "Unassigned Key" - does 
nothing, in the menu
I no longer seem able to select html files even if I can find them in "Find 
TW File"

As a Result I can't test any further.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 10:12:40 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> This version adds a menu item "Resources" that activates an activity page 
> from whence a user can select a variety of existing resources (TW files) to 
> download. 
> The activity page is, in turn, driven by a configurable file, allowing 
> advanced users to share their own curated selection of TW sites. Please see 
> the Readme.
>
> The referenced resources include Todo Now, Expense Tracker, Quinoid 
> Readme, and Empty Editions.
>
> As always, consider this highly alpha. I was kind of worn out, and testing 
> was very light. 
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
>
> Readme: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
>
> Release: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases
>
> quinoid-v0-0-8a-190312a.apk 
> 
>

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[tw5] Embedding content using

So I'm attempting to configure TiddlyWiki in order to display embedded 
content, such as videos, using the  HTML tag. At the moment this 
primarily concerns videos. 

This post is an offshoot of this discussion 
 about an 
error that occurs with the  HTML tag. An  would be an 
adequate solution to that problem if it wasn't for the following.

The main problem I have encountered so far is the inability to dynamically 
resize the height of an . In other words, as the width of the 
containing element, such as a  gets smaller, the height of the 
 gets proportionally smaller, for example, in order to maintain a 
16:9 aspect ratio for a video that is shrinking with the width of the page. 
Currently I don't think this is possible with CSS.

What I would like to know is if it is possible to do with JavaScript, 
possibly with the iFrame Resizer 
 library, preferably 
without creating a plugin.

Kalcifer

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[tw5] Quinoid v0.0.8alpha Downloadable, Configurable Resources

2019-03-12 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


This version adds a menu item "Resources" that activates an activity page 
from whence a user can select a variety of existing resources (TW files) to 
download. 
The activity page is, in turn, driven by a configurable file, allowing 
advanced users to share their own curated selection of TW sites. Please see 
the Readme.

The referenced resources include Todo Now, Expense Tracker, Quinoid Readme, 
and Empty Editions.

As always, consider this highly alpha. I was kind of worn out, and testing 
was very light. 

Thanks!
-- Mark


Readme: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01

Release: https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases

quinoid-v0-0-8a-190312a.apk 


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[tw5] Re: How to search data tiddler for indexes or values?

2019-03-12 Thread Magnus

Sorry to resurrect an old tread but I can't get this to work. I can get the 
results from index OR value in the abbreviation data-tiddler but not from 
both

Den söndag 6 januari 2019 kl. 00:46:07 UTC+1 skrev Magnus:
>
> I have a custom search that let me search a data tiddler for indexes, but 
> can I also search for the corresponding value? In my 
> abbreviation-x-tiddler-dictionary I would like to be able to search for the 
> name or the abbreviation, I guess I could create one more data tiddler 
> using the same content but revers the indexes for the values but it seems 
> redundant
>
> 
>   <$list filter="[[$:/_dictionary/abbreviation]] 
> +[indexes[]search{$:/_state/customSearch}]">
>   
>   <>
>   <$view tiddler="$:/_dictionary/abbreviation" 
> index=<>/>
>   <$view tiddler="$:/_dictionary/pronunciation" 
> index=<>/>
> 
> 
>   
>
>
>
> http://magnus.playground.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F_template%2FcustomSearch:%24%3A%2F_template%2FcustomSearch%20%24%3A%2F_dictionary%2Fabbreviation
>

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[tw5] Re: Classic view for TW 5

2019-03-12 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

Roland,

Take a look at:

http://bc.classic.tiddlyspot.com/

It's a bit old, it may need some work.

Cheers,

Alfonso

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[tw5] Re: Toolmap additions

2019-03-12 Thread David Gifford

Ok thanks Mohammad, I added it to Advanced, and created a new category 
Scripts.

Are there any other tools you know of that belong in the Scripts category?

Dave

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:23:09 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>  I think Developer/advanced tools is one place to Tiddlywiki Components
> The other can be Tiddlywiki Scripting
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 9:23:54 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I will be leaving tomorrow for a week at a work retreat. But I caught up, 
>> I think, on adding the many interesting recent tools to the TiddlyWiki 
>> toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)
>>
>> 1. SNR plugin - added to Searching tools
>> 2. Repopup - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
>> 3. Volant - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
>> 4. Engine - added to Layout/UI - General
>> 5. Mentat - added to Layout/UI - General
>> 6. Mindfulness topic modeling - added to Educational - examples of 
>> organizing and presenting content
>> 7. Anchor links using HTML - added to Links, linking and to Navigation - 
>> Tables of contents and outliners
>>
>> [I already started playing yesterday with #7! I have been wanting 
>> something like this for some time. See 
>> http://articulos.giffmex.org/sab/templates/anchors.template.html for a 
>> template I created for myself for using anchor IDs in TW.]
>>
>> If any of the above items need to be added to additional categories, feel 
>> free to reply on this thread and I will get to it as able.
>>
>> One tool got left behind: I am not sure what to do with TW Components. 
>> Maybe someone can either suggest categories to put it under, or maybe 
>> someone whom I gave access to, can add it to the right category/ies in the 
>> toolmap? Or perhaps it is a matter of adding each component separately? 
>> Anyway, I am sure they are helpful tools, but I don't have time today to 
>> spend tinkering with them to figure out what they are and where they go in 
>> the toolmap.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Added to TW-Scripts.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 2:15:18 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad
>
> That sounds like the same issue: you’ve got tiddlers in the plugin that 
> are not showing up in some filter somewhere due to the filter being coded 
> to exclude shadow tiddlers.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 12 Mar 2019, at 04:05, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi admls,
>  I have encountered the same problem, For example I had demo tiddler 
> packed into plugin and it used a viewtemplate.
> It did not work until I opened and saved it. Example is sticky footer in 
> Shiraz plugin!
>
> I did not fount the reason and hope Jeremy gives his comment on this.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:10:08 AM UTC+3:30, admls wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I came across a really weird problem. I've been developing some plugins 
>> on node, and they work fine there. But when I build the release, a few of 
>> the tiddlers in the plugin simply don't work until I open them and save 
>> them again. I don't make any changes, just open, close. And then they 
>> function.
>>
>> Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm out of my depth here.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> admls
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi Admls, Hi Jeremy
 That was the problem as Jeremy explained. 

Thank you! 

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 4:52:54 PM UTC+3:30, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy and Mohammad,
>
> That was the problem. I had one filter that was all[system+tiddlers] 
> instead of all[shadows+tiddlers]. Thanks, Jeremy! It would have taken me 
> days to think of that.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Admls
>
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[tw5] Re: Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

Arlen,
 I developed two examples based on your smart filter

\define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[1]remove[$b$]]
\define lt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]first[1]remove[$b$]]

\define exmp-gt()
<$list filter=<>  variable="result">
<>

\end

\define exmp-lt()
<$list filter=<>  variable="result">
<>

\end

Demo
<$list filter="2 8 5 7 6 3 9" variable="x">
<>


<$list filter="2 8 5 7 6 3 9" variable="x">
<>





On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:41:06 PM UTC+3:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be 
> extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it 
> first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes 
> the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable 
> substitution as a paramater, like this: 
>
> \define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
> <$list filter=<> variable="temp">
>
> 
>
> In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if 
> the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element. 
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>

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[tw5] Re: Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

Added to TW-Scripts

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:41:06 PM UTC+3:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be 
> extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it 
> first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes 
> the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable 
> substitution as a paramater, like this: 
>
> \define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
> <$list filter=<> variable="temp">
>
> 
>
> In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if 
> the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element. 
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

2019-03-12 Thread Ste Wilson

Mario, your awesome. 

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[tw5] Re: Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

Arlen,
 This may be offtopic, but the way you get the greater number through this 
simple macro is amazing!




On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:41:06 PM UTC+3:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be 
> extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it 
> first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes 
> the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable 
> substitution as a paramater, like this: 
>
> \define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
> <$list filter=<> variable="temp">
>
> 
>
> In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if 
> the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element. 
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

Great work! I can imagine using this on a large desktop screen. Often to 
make notes I have a pdf open on the side. Now I can copy text onto a 
tiddler and keep it open on the side while I work on making notes in my 
main tiddler. This will be so much efficient.


On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:34 PM UTC-7, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>
> * Repopup
> * Volant
> * Engine
> * Mentat
>
> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>
> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, is 
> why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who wishes 
> to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to get 
> them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> admls
>
> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
> how to polish it a bit.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: ResizeObserver loop limit exceeded

Any progress on this bug? I'm planning to have a lot of video content on my
site and the lack of controls will obviously be a big problem.

To emphasise my last post, this happens with the *default theme* with *no
adjustments* to the custom CSS. The error is caused by the 'controls'
attribute of the  HTML tag, and shows up when the Tiddler is opened.
It happens with any story view as well.

Example code within a normal Tiddler:


  
  Your browser does not support the video tag.


I was tempted to use CSS to hide all error messages entirely, but even
though the message is not visible, HTML gets added over and over. This
could be considered a memory leak because there would not be any ability to
close them, eventually causing a slow browser for extended sessions with a
lot of video content.

Some way to suppress that specific error would be nice.

Kalcifer

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:26 AM Kalcifer Kandari 
wrote:

> The error is caused by adding the 'controls' attribute to the  HTML
> tag.
>
> A workaround is to just remove it because without the tag users can 'right
> click -> Show controls'. Of course if autoplay is not enabled it might be
> easy to miss that it is actually a video and not an image.
>
> Kalcifer
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 12:22 PM Kalcifer Kandari <
> kalciferkand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried all sorts of different things, including using an  tag
>> instead of . The  did not generate any error message, but
>> height of the  did not adapt when the tiddler got thinner, whereas
>> the  tag does. I also tried creating a HTML file with a  tag
>> inside, then including that file in an  within the tiddler, that
>> also did not generate any errors, but that still had the fixed height issue.
>>
>> Here is the HTML for the video, which is inside the tiddler
>> http://kalcifer.net/#Nodius:
>>
>> 
>>   
>>   Your browser does not support the video tag.
>> 
>>
>> Here is the CSS for that tag from the custom CSS tiddler
>> http://kalcifer.net/#Custom%20CSS:
>>
>> video {
>> width: 100% !important;
>> max-width: 960px !important;
>> display: block;
>> margin-left: auto;
>> margin-right: auto;
>> }
>>
>> Go ahead and edit the tiddlers in your browser and see what changes.
>>
>> Kalcifer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:50 AM Jeremy Ruston 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This error appears to be common, and the consensus is that it is
>>> harmless. See this StackOverflow answer for instance:
>>>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/a/50387233
>>>
>>> But, of course, it’s not harmless for TW5 since we have a global error
>>> trap that reports it to the user; without that error trap it would just be
>>> another red message visible in the developer console.
>>>
>>> I think we need more investigation to see whether the problem is
>>> triggered by some specific CSS on your site, or if the problem occurs with
>>> the standard TW5 theme. That may show a way to avoid it through rephrasing
>>> your CSS.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, we’ll have to investigate ways of suppressing the error.
>>> Perhaps by adding support for a safelist of errors that should be ignored.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 09:29, Kalcifer Kandari 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't use any plugins. You can see the configuration of the wiki using
>>> the link I posted, nothing is hidden. I don't think it is caused by CSS,
>>> but that's at http://kalcifer.net/#Custom%20CSS, the relevant style is
>>> under 'video' near the top.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 9:12:15 AM UTC, PMario wrote:

 hi,
 which plugins do you use?
 -m

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[tw5] Re: SNR Plugin

Hi BTC,
 The first version (SNR1) is placed in

https://github.com/kookma/SNR/tree/master/First-Release

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 6:47:00 PM UTC+3:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad, one question, is the first, simple snr still somewhere to 
> find, the one without regular expressions?
>
> all the best,
> btc
>

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[tw5] Re: Toolmap additions

Hello David,
 I think Developer/advanced tools is one place to Tiddlywiki Components
The other can be Tiddlywiki Scripting

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 9:23:54 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I will be leaving tomorrow for a week at a work retreat. But I caught up, 
> I think, on adding the many interesting recent tools to the TiddlyWiki 
> toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)
>
> 1. SNR plugin - added to Searching tools
> 2. Repopup - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
> 3. Volant - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
> 4. Engine - added to Layout/UI - General
> 5. Mentat - added to Layout/UI - General
> 6. Mindfulness topic modeling - added to Educational - examples of 
> organizing and presenting content
> 7. Anchor links using HTML - added to Links, linking and to Navigation - 
> Tables of contents and outliners
>
> [I already started playing yesterday with #7! I have been wanting 
> something like this for some time. See 
> http://articulos.giffmex.org/sab/templates/anchors.template.html for a 
> template I created for myself for using anchor IDs in TW.]
>
> If any of the above items need to be added to additional categories, feel 
> free to reply on this thread and I will get to it as able.
>
> One tool got left behind: I am not sure what to do with TW Components. 
> Maybe someone can either suggest categories to put it under, or maybe 
> someone whom I gave access to, can add it to the right category/ies in the 
> toolmap? Or perhaps it is a matter of adding each component separately? 
> Anyway, I am sure they are helpful tools, but I don't have time today to 
> spend tinkering with them to figure out what they are and where they go in 
> the toolmap.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

Hello JD,

WOW. WE FOUND IT!!

Yes! I knew that I did save and I was not imagining anything.

THANK YOU. I have attached a screenshot from chrome's download's page. 

[image: TW Saving Failed.PNG]

You know what, this only proves an old adage from my native language. It 
means something like, if you have a problem, go to your rooftop and shout 
it out, somebody would have an answer to your problem. And this is what 
happened here.I reached out and found a solution. Ancients were right. 
Thank you JD.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 4:41:10 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I love that we are now on different realities because of this problem, 
> which has also happened to me... But maybe your problem might really have 
> been alien in nature?
>
> I also use the download saver method, overwriting the same file and then 
> once in a while saving to a backup location. All of this on Google Drive, 
> too, like you. 
>
> And you know what, sometimes Google Drive does this thing where it looks 
> like it has saved the file... until you look closely at the bottom bar of 
> the browser where it says "Failed - Insufficient permissions". Trouble with 
> this is you have to delete the file, wait for the deletion to sync and then 
> re-save. Mendokusai! Most worrying is, it looks exactly as if the file 
> actually saved.
>
> [image: Untitled.png]
>  
> Maybe this is what happened? Well anyway, my condolences to your lost data.
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:24:37 PM UTC+9, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your input. 
>> The TW was a fresh one which I downloaded today in the morning. The 
>> clocks were already 'spring ahead' on my laptop on sunday (should have, 
>> because I have on internet). So I dunno. 
>>
>> Maybe I am just dreaming things. I suspected that maybe instead of 'Save' 
>> I have been hitting 'Cancel' all the time. But its really hard to accept 
>> that. Or maybe I did not save at all and I am not sleeping well. 
>>
>> Sometimes I deeply suspect the nature of reality. I suspect that there is 
>> no objective reality and that world does not exist outside of our mind. But 
>> if the world of our mind does exist, then in that mind I DID save the file, 
>> so it should be there now. I don't know.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait, 5pm *PST*? That's not right. But it got me thinking.
>>>
>>> I suspect that the problem is an imperfect storm of  GD and DST. Are you 
>>> continuously connected to the net? Did your laptop automatically  update 
>>> the time over the weekend? Did you use the laptop over the weekend? I'm 
>>> thinking that  when you first started writing to the disk it did so with a 
>>> timestamp that was an hour behind. GD then thought the file in the cloud 
>>> was newer. So GD wrote over your file. Unless you double-checked the 
>>> timestamp yourself and/or reloaded the TW file, you wouldn't know that it 
>>> had happened. 
>>>
>>> That's my theory any way. Some variety of that.
>>>
>>> Well, hopefully it won't happen again for another 10 years.  Or at least 
>>> until Oct. 26.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:07 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:

 There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
 today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
 happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
 explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
 Here are the facts of the case:

 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is 
 up-to-date.
 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
 disk. 
 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
 sync all the time
 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
 save button and overwrote the local file. 
 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
 saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
 feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
 because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
 7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my 
 laptop.
 8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the 
 very first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
 9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
 10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the 
 file version. There were none after 12.30pm!
 11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working 
 on any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
 12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file 
 I worked on. None.

[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

Hi Tony,

Thanks for inputting. The thing is, between 12.30 pm and 5 pm, I am sure I 
saved a couple of times, and even if I saved a previous version, the time 
timestamp shows 12.30 pm, as if the local file wan not touched at all in 
this while. This is what I am finding spooky.

And you are right about timimi. I LOVED timimi plugin. In my old laptop I 
was using a previous version of it. This, my current laptop is a new one ( 
Acer Aspire 5) and I chose not to install an old version of timimi (and 
last I checked Timimi was not out for chrome yet) and therefore all this 
mess.

But now I have installed Tiddlydrive plugin and it seems to be working 
well. I have to open my TW through google drive web interface and choose 
tiddlydrive as the application to open. It saves automatically, so every 
commit is saved. I am liking it so far.

On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Passingby
>
>
>- I assume it was a single file wiki?
>- I would not be surprised if the same wiki was in two tabs/windows, 
>you worked on the second, but saved the first last. This overwrite step 
>would look identical to your regular save.
>- This is one reason I use Timimi because the download saver is error 
>prone to human error.
>- Personally I use Timimi in FireFox with the backup settings. As well 
>as TiddlyServer with backup settings. I am yet to establish this in Bob as 
>well.
>
> Something I plan to do is to update my Directory of wikis to have a link 
> that uses a target=wikiname, I would use this for new wikis as well. At 
> least in the same browser every time you access the wiki using the 
> directory link it will open in the same tab, ensuring you have only one 
> copy in edit at a time. Bob also helps by allowing you to have more than 
> one tab open with the same wiki safely.
>
> I feel for your frustration.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 1:23:07 PM UTC+11, passingby wrote:
>>
>> There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
>> today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
>> happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
>> explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
>> Here are the facts of the case:
>>
>> 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is up-to-date.
>> 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
>> disk. 
>> 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
>> sync all the time
>> 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
>> save button and overwrote the local file. 
>> 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
>> saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
>> feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
>> 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
>> because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
>> 7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my laptop.
>> 8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the 
>> very first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
>> 9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
>> 10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the 
>> file version. There were none after 12.30pm!
>> 11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working on 
>> any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
>> 12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file I 
>> worked on. None.
>>
>> So what happened? The only explanation is that I did not save at all. 
>> This I am not ready to accept. I definitely saved a couple of times. But 
>> timestamp on my file as well as google driver version time says last 
>> modification was 12.30 pm. This is very strange. 
>> At one time during my workflow I pulled out the TW tab from my chrome and 
>> made it into separate window. And about an hour later I merged all the tabs 
>> back. I do not know, but I am suspecting maybe that splitting and merging 
>> did something. 
>>
>> Well, the data was lost. That's okay. 
>>
>> Assuming that I did press the save button and followed the process, is it 
>> in any way possible that Chrome did not overwrite the local file? 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade


>
>
>> Speaking of alternate realities, if you go the google drive web 
> interface, Google keeps versions of your files for 30 days. Have you 
> checked those for your lost work?
>
> Good luck!
>
> -- Mark
>

I did. The timestamp found on google drive web interface matched (I checked 
at that time) with the one which is on the local file on the hard disk. It 
was around 12.30 pm. And I closed my laptop at 5 pm in the evening. 

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I will be leaving tomorrow for a week at a work retreat. But I caught up, I
think, on adding the many interesting recent tools to the TiddlyWiki
toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)

1. SNR plugin - added to Searching tools
2. Repopup - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
3. Volant - added to Navigation - Dropdowns, overlays, popups and sliders
4. Engine - added to Layout/UI - General
5. Mentat - added to Layout/UI - General
6. Mindfulness topic modeling - added to Educational - examples of
organizing and presenting content
7. Anchor links using HTML - added to Links, linking and to Navigation -
Tables of contents and outliners

[I already started playing yesterday with #7! I have been wanting something
like this for some time. See
http://articulos.giffmex.org/sab/templates/anchors.template.html for a
template I created for myself for using anchor IDs in TW.]

If any of the above items need to be added to additional categories, feel
free to reply on this thread and I will get to it as able.

One tool got left behind: I am not sure what to do with TW Components.
Maybe someone can either suggest categories to put it under, or maybe
someone whom I gave access to, can add it to the right category/ies in the
toolmap? Or perhaps it is a matter of adding each component separately?
Anyway, I am sure they are helpful tools, but I don't have time today to
spend tinkering with them to figure out what they are and where they go in
the toolmap.

Blessings,

Dave

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[tw5] Re: Export as static HTML with Google fonts?

Happy retreat Dave.

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Export as static HTML with Google fonts?

2019-03-12 Thread David Gifford

Well, II will be at a retreat for a week starting tomorrow, so after today 
don't expect me to be checking...

I will try to update the toolmap with all the cool stuff that has just come 
out

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> Dave
>
> I thought you were gone? :-)
>
> Josiah
>
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[tw5] Re: Export as static HTML with Google fonts?

Dave

I thought you were gone? :-)

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[tw5] Re: SNR Plugin

BTC

My Two Cents.

As someone very keen on Regular Expressions I agree with you.

I'm doubtful most users will find them that useful.

Best wishes
Josiah

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> Hi Mohammad, one question, is the first, simple snr still somewhere to 
> find, the one without regular expressions?
>
> all the best,
> btc
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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

I did suggest, recently, TW was entering its Golden Age.

This is a great example of a user who understands what has been done before 
and goes further. 

And surprises old curmudgeons.

I HOPE SOMEONE IS TAKING NOTES?

There is so much happening this might get lost. It shouldn't.

Josiah

On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:02:49 UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Wow, very impressed. You've put a lot of work into this and it shows!
>
> Best,
> Joshua F
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 6:33:19 AM UTC-7, admls wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everybody!
>>
>> Thank you all for your kind words. I worked really hard on this and it is 
>> a huge relief that it might add something to the community!
>>
>> With the help of several people on this forum, the plugin packaging 
>> issues I have had have been sorted. Here's the link to the demo again: 
>> Mentat 
>> Demo . Please backup your wikis! And 
>> keep in mind that, unfortunately, the Volant plugin overwrites 
>> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate. I couldn't find any 
>> other way to make the popups work correctly. 
>>
>> That said, enjoy!
>>
>> @TonyM:
>>
>> Perhaps you could also think of enabling move to back, but I am not sure 
>>> of the best way to find them again, perhaps using the link in the open 
>>> sidebar tab.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving back. Could you 
>> elaborate a bit? Like a back button for the story window tiddlers?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Admls
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:29:45 AM UTC, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi admls,
>>>
>>> Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing 
>>> the window, and it looks so easy to style! 
>>>
>>> This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a 
>>> separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served 
>>> through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this 
>>> will add to my workflow...
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for sharing!
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable 
 ui:

 * Repopup
 * Volant
 * Engine
 * Mentat

 You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/

 Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, 
 is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who 
 wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to 
 get them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!

 Best wishes,

 admls

 P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
 This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
 how to polish it a bit.

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

If you're curious, I exported the tw5.com data folder and uploaded it to my
GitHub page to give you an idea of what it looks like.

https://github.com/Arlen22/arlen22.github.io/blob/master/tiddlywiki-auto-paragraph.html

It's supposed to work at this URL as well, but it isn't yet for me.

https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlywiki-auto-paragraph.html

Arlen


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:55 PM Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> It turns out that the fix requires only six lines of code!
>
> Well, OK, six lines spread across six files. It's pretty obvious that all
> user-generated content is inside a tiddler body in the story river, so we
> just turn on auto-generated paragraphs inside the tiddler body in the story
> river (and in the edit preview). If someone is advanced enough to use it
> anywhere else, they definitely know how to use the set widget to set one
> variable. You can also turn it off for one tiddler in the story river using
> the same method.
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3854
>
> Tada!
>
> Well, OK, I will grant you that it might require a tiny bit of tweaking to
> adjust the CSS styles, but now that we're liberated, that should be fun! :)
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM PMario  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps
>>> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>>>
>>
>> Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side
>> effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)
>>
>> -m
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: SNR Plugin

Hi Mohammad, one question, is the first, simple snr still somewhere to 
find, the one without regular expressions?

all the best,
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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

2019-03-12 Thread Joshua Fontany

Wow, very impressed. You've put a lot of work into this and it shows!

Best,
Joshua F

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 6:33:19 AM UTC-7, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody!
>
> Thank you all for your kind words. I worked really hard on this and it is 
> a huge relief that it might add something to the community!
>
> With the help of several people on this forum, the plugin packaging issues 
> I have had have been sorted. Here's the link to the demo again: Mentat 
> Demo . Please backup your wikis! And 
> keep in mind that, unfortunately, the Volant plugin overwrites 
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate. I couldn't find any 
> other way to make the popups work correctly. 
>
> That said, enjoy!
>
> @TonyM:
>
> Perhaps you could also think of enabling move to back, but I am not sure 
>> of the best way to find them again, perhaps using the link in the open 
>> sidebar tab.
>>
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving back. Could you 
> elaborate a bit? Like a back button for the story window tiddlers?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Admls
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:29:45 AM UTC, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi admls,
>>
>> Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing 
>> the window, and it looks so easy to style! 
>>
>> This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a 
>> separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served 
>> through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this 
>> will add to my workflow...
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>>>
>>> * Repopup
>>> * Volant
>>> * Engine
>>> * Mentat
>>>
>>> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>>>
>>> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, 
>>> is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who 
>>> wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to 
>>> get them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> admls
>>>
>>> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
>>> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
>>> how to polish it a bit.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

It turns out that the fix requires only six lines of code!

Well, OK, six lines spread across six files. It's pretty obvious that all
user-generated content is inside a tiddler body in the story river, so we
just turn on auto-generated paragraphs inside the tiddler body in the story
river (and in the edit preview). If someone is advanced enough to use it
anywhere else, they definitely know how to use the set widget to set one
variable. You can also turn it off for one tiddler in the story river using
the same method.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3854

Tada!

Well, OK, I will grant you that it might require a tiny bit of tweaking to
adjust the CSS styles, but now that we're liberated, that should be fun! :)

Enjoy!
Arlen

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM PMario  wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
> ...
>
>> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps
>> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>>
>
> Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side
> effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)
>
> -m
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

2019-03-12 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey Mario,

In my mind the consistenct of unilink has been:

[[What-I-Want-To-Type|What-I-Want-To-Display]]

I frequently title my tiddlers their "full correct title", but rarely do I 
want to actually type them out, hence me giving them aliases. In Stephen's 
first post, he mentioned giving every tiddler an alias of its title, 
allowing you to use unilink unmodified. I like this conceptual approach 
better, where unilink could behind the scenes, have an option to treat all 
tiddlers as if they already have a "Shadow alias" of their title. This also 
maintains the consistency I mentioned above

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> There is 1 more problem. Searching for case insensitive titles will 
> produce 2 or more links if titles "overlap" eg: [[This Title]] and [[this 
> Title]] will both match [[this title|?l]] at the moment. 
>
> The user will be responsible here!
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

2019-03-12 Thread S. S.

I wonder if this is the same as: Github issue # 
  and this Google 
Groups post 
.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 4:11:06 PM UTC+7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be 
> extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it 
> first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes 
> the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable 
> substitution as a paramater, like this: 
>
> \define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
> <$list filter=<> variable="temp">
>
> 
>
> In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if 
> the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element. 
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
... 

> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps 
> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>

Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side 
effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)

-m



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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

Hi,

There is 1 more problem. Searching for case insensitive titles will produce 
2 or more links if titles "overlap" eg: [[This Title]] and [[this Title]] 
will both match [[this title|?l]] at the moment. 

The user will be responsible here!

-m

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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

Hi Ste, and everyone interested, 

I did create an experimental version, (which I won't publish atm), that has 
the following functions. 

[[alias|?]] ... default alias link
[[alias|?t]] ... use alias and display title
[[alias|?c]] ... use alias and display caption
[[alias|?s]] ... use alias and display subtitle
[[alias|?myField]] ... use alias and display field: myField

and new: 

[[title|?l]] ... lower letter L ... case insensitive title search ... l .. 
for lazy

I think you can spot the inconsistency. ... The first 5 possibilities work 
with "aliases" definitions and show fields. This one works with the title. 
:/

I could use [[title|!]] ... BUT there is not enough visual difference 
between "the pipe" | and the "exclamation mark" ! eg: |!  

AND the default meaning in a wikitext link is [[pretty link text|title]] 
... So the new thing is wrong order.  ... So I don't like it. 

An other possibility would be to use [lazy[title]], or [?[title]]

The point is: It can be done and I'm willing to implement it, because I 
think it makes sense. 

The question is: How should the wikitext look like?   <--- Feedback needed

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

Oww, It's very interesting how this  query reveals TW5's history. 

I can intuit sometimes where a  will be generated, but if within and/or 
around a <$list> it seems pretty unpredictable.  Still workable though and 
not really that bothersome. In fact it helps sometimes when I'm too lazy to 
add top and bottom paddings to divs.

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 10:20:10 PM UTC+9, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> The problem with the existing mechanism is, that "whitespace matters" for 
> a good reason, as Jeremy explained. The backside of the coin bites us with 
> UI generation. ... 
>
> The TW UI has grown over time quite a bit. We have about 300 shadow 
> tiddlers, that match the search term $:/core/ui. At the early stages, 
> there was no possibility to trim whitespace, which helps to make UI code 
> more readable - now. .. But it's only available in the latest versions.
>
> The main problem now is, that the base CSS contains a lot of hardcoded 
> paddings and margins, that are needed to fix exactly this problem. ... So 
> if we change the UI code, we would also need to modify the base.css code, 
> which will create a compatibility problem. 
>
> I think it should be done, but it's a process and it won't be fast. It's a 
> lot of work, to do it right. ... BUT it would be worth it in the long run
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

hehe I'm probably not wise enough to understand the deeper meaning of this 
advice!

-jd

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> hear my wise words:
>
> *"only removing the new lines removes the new lines"*
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Commander: A Tiddler Toolkit

Cari

I put a demo online at http://tidbits.wiki/bin/mohammad_snr.html that shows 
how that match works.

Josiah



On Monday, 11 March 2019 20:16:26 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mohammad
>
> Part of the problem is few people will understand what ...
>
> (\b\w+\b)(\s+)(\b\1\b)
>
> ... means unless they can see the result under flags i g reliably.
>
> It is actually  simple, once you understand it, but the diff engine I 
> think is making it hard to understand.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 11 March 2019 19:53:52 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mohammad
>>
>> Illustrating simple Replace is no problem.
>>
>> BUT there is the importance of regex. SNR is a regex engine so its 
>> important that its diff engine is accurate.
>>
>> The real power in SNR is for Regular Expressions not simple replace. 
>>
>> Otherwise, why bother?
>>
>> I'll send you a detailed example.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Monday, 11 March 2019 19:35:01 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Josiah,
>>>  I will take a look. I think if we consider two level of usage for SNR 
>>> in Commander then they are
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Simple character, word, sentences search and replacement
>>>2. Advanced search and replace using Regular Expressions
>>>
>>> Then I think the most usage for beginners and moderate TW users is item 
>>> one where SNR works like a charm.
>>>
>>> For the second advanced application of SNR, then we need your evaluation 
>>> and see what are the limitation and what are the issues.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your time for evaluating and error reporting.
>>>
>>> Keep doing it and lets improve SNR.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:41:10 PM UTC+3:30, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Ciao Mohammad

 An issue now is because the Difference Engine is displaying in a 
 CONFUSING way is how useful can tutorials be???

 I think, at the beginning, users need to be able to clearly see the 
 effect of changes they intend. Right now it's likely too messy to learn 
 from??

 Best wishes
 Josiah

 On Monday, 11 March 2019 17:50:25 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Sorry to have to report there are issues with the Difference Engine in 
> SNR that wiil lead to serious CONFUSION for users :-(.
>
> Is the issue in SNR or the Difference Engine itself? ...
>
> This shows the problem ...
>
> [image: {0AAE77CC-6579-4B71-A76B-DA1861BAFB28}.png.jpg]
>
>
> The settings for this test were ...
>
> [image: {3C005AB5-520B-42D7-9790-09B9AF55A0D0}.png.jpg]
>
> Note : The actual Replace in Tiddler was correct. But the DISPLAY is 
> very inaccurate.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

hear my wise words:

*"only removing the new lines removes the new lines"*

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

Hi Everybody!

Thank you all for your kind words. I worked really hard on this and it is a 
huge relief that it might add something to the community!

With the help of several people on this forum, the plugin packaging issues 
I have had have been sorted. Here's the link to the demo again: Mentat Demo 
. Please backup your wikis! And keep in 
mind that, unfortunately, the Volant plugin overwrites 
$:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate. I couldn't find any 
other way to make the popups work correctly. 

That said, enjoy!

@TonyM:

Perhaps you could also think of enabling move to back, but I am not sure of 
> the best way to find them again, perhaps using the link in the open sidebar 
> tab.
>

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving back. Could you 
elaborate a bit? Like a back button for the story window tiddlers?

Best wishes,

Admls


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:29:45 AM UTC, JD wrote:
>
> Hi admls,
>
> Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing 
> the window, and it looks so easy to style! 
>
> This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a 
> separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served 
> through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this 
> will add to my workflow...
>
> Thank you so much for sharing!
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>>
>> * Repopup
>> * Volant
>> * Engine
>> * Mentat
>>
>> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>>
>> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, 
>> is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who 
>> wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to 
>> get them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> admls
>>
>> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
>> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
>> how to polish it a bit.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi Jeremy and Mohammad,

That was the problem. I had one filter that was all[system+tiddlers] 
instead of all[shadows+tiddlers]. Thanks, Jeremy! It would have taken me 
days to think of that.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

Hi, 

The problem with the existing mechanism is, that "whitespace matters" for a 
good reason, as Jeremy explained. The backside of the coin bites us with UI 
generation. ... 

The TW UI has grown over time quite a bit. We have about 300 shadow 
tiddlers, that match the search term $:/core/ui. At the early stages, there 
was no possibility to trim whitespace, which helps to make UI code more 
readable - now. .. But it's only available in the latest versions.

The main problem now is, that the base CSS contains a lot of hardcoded 
paddings and margins, that are needed to fix exactly this problem. ... So 
if we change the UI code, we would also need to modify the base.css code, 
which will create a compatibility problem. 

I think it should be done, but it's a process and it won't be fast. It's a 
lot of work, to do it right. ... BUT it would be worth it in the long run

have fun!
mario


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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

TiddlyWiki Classic didn’t generate proper paragraph tags; it just rendered a 
 tag wherever there was a line break. In response to criticisms about that, 
from the beginning I tried to make TW5 generate paragraph tags in the same way 
that Markdown does. (Hence the requirement for double line break to terminate a 
paragraph).

It was then a bit later that I was successful in my experiments to use wikitext 
to generate the UI of TW5 as well as just the bodies of tiddlers. By that time 
the generation of  tags was entrenched and so I just worked around it with a 
combination of CSS and carefully crafted wikitext.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 12 Mar 2019, at 12:01, JD  wrote:
> 
> Hi BTC,
> 
> Ahaha! I used to add  \whitespace trim everywhere because I once assumed it 
> will limit  generation on that tiddler... But I was wrong and now I have 
> little idea on what it actually does :(
> 
> Inspecting the dom through Google Chrome, I see that tc-page-controls is 
> styled to have margin-top:14px, which isn't necessary because it is inside a 
> ... In this case I wonder if tc-page-controls was originally not intended 
> be wrapped inside .. and so I wonder if there are other page templates 
> that have this curious thing... Turns out that yes, tc-drafts-list also is 
> within a paragraph tag, although it isn't noticeable because it is 
> position:fixed anyway...
>  
> I'm probably just rambling now hehe
> 
> -jd
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 8:37:21 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
> 
> Hi Arlen, JD
> 
> those paragraphs apparently are generated by the wiki parser when it 
> encounters new-lines / whitespace
> 
> that's useful when writing text within a tiddler to get actual new lines in 
> the rendered result when:
> 
> ```
> text
> 
> more text
> ```
> 
> but for ui parts it's not always desirable. at some points the core ui 
> actually uses it without explicitely adding span or div or p elements
> 
> just consider that if it's a vnd.tiddlywiki tiddler and there's no 
> \whitespace trim pragma on top, such new lines will generate paragraphs
> 
> you can however put a \whitespace trim on top of the tiddler (and separately 
> within macro definitions inside that tiddler) .. I don't know if there's a 
> \rules pragma which can be used to switch paragraphs off
> 
> ah no, the \whitespace trim doesn't remove those new lines, so forget about 
> this tip ;)
> 
>  
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[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

Hi BTC,

Ahaha! I used to add  \whitespace trim everywhere because I once assumed it 
will limit  generation on that tiddler... But I was wrong and now I have 
little idea on what it actually does :(

Inspecting the dom through Google Chrome, I see that tc-page-controls is 
styled to have margin-top:14px, which isn't necessary because it is inside 
a ... In this case I wonder if tc-page-controls was originally *not* 
intended be wrapped inside .. and so I wonder if there are other page 
templates that have this curious thing... Turns out that yes, 
tc-drafts-list also is within a paragraph tag, although it isn't noticeable 
because it is position:fixed anyway...
 
I'm probably just rambling now hehe

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 8:37:21 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Arlen, JD
>>
>> those paragraphs apparently are generated by the wiki parser when it 
>> encounters new-lines / whitespace
>>
>> that's useful when writing text within a tiddler to get actual new lines 
>> in the rendered result when:
>>
>> ```
>> text
>>
>> more text
>> ```
>>
>> but for ui parts it's not always desirable. at some points the core ui 
>> actually uses it without explicitely adding span or div or p elements
>>
>> just consider that if it's a vnd.tiddlywiki tiddler and there's no 
>> \whitespace trim pragma on top, such new lines will generate paragraphs
>>
>> you can however put a \whitespace trim on top of the tiddler (and 
>> separately within macro definitions inside that tiddler) .. I don't know if 
>> there's a \rules pragma which can be used to switch paragraphs off
>>
>
> ah no, the \whitespace trim doesn't remove those new lines, so forget 
> about this tip ;)
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Lost data for the first time in maybe a decade

Hi,

I love that we are now on different realities because of this problem, 
which has also happened to me... But maybe your problem might really have 
been alien in nature?

I also use the download saver method, overwriting the same file and then 
once in a while saving to a backup location. All of this on Google Drive, 
too, like you. 

And you know what, sometimes Google Drive does this thing where it looks 
like it has saved the file... until you look closely at the bottom bar of 
the browser where it says "Failed - Insufficient permissions". Trouble with 
this is you have to delete the file, wait for the deletion to sync and then 
re-save. Mendokusai! Most worrying is, it looks exactly as if the file 
actually saved.

[image: Untitled.png]
 
Maybe this is what happened? Well anyway, my condolences to your lost data.

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:24:37 PM UTC+9, passingby wrote:
>
> Thank you for your input. 
> The TW was a fresh one which I downloaded today in the morning. The clocks 
> were already 'spring ahead' on my laptop on sunday (should have, because I 
> have on internet). So I dunno. 
>
> Maybe I am just dreaming things. I suspected that maybe instead of 'Save' 
> I have been hitting 'Cancel' all the time. But its really hard to accept 
> that. Or maybe I did not save at all and I am not sleeping well. 
>
> Sometimes I deeply suspect the nature of reality. I suspect that there is 
> no objective reality and that world does not exist outside of our mind. But 
> if the world of our mind does exist, then in that mind I DID save the file, 
> so it should be there now. I don't know.
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Wait, 5pm *PST*? That's not right. But it got me thinking.
>>
>> I suspect that the problem is an imperfect storm of  GD and DST. Are you 
>> continuously connected to the net? Did your laptop automatically  update 
>> the time over the weekend? Did you use the laptop over the weekend? I'm 
>> thinking that  when you first started writing to the disk it did so with a 
>> timestamp that was an hour behind. GD then thought the file in the cloud 
>> was newer. So GD wrote over your file. Unless you double-checked the 
>> timestamp yourself and/or reloaded the TW file, you wouldn't know that it 
>> had happened. 
>>
>> That's my theory any way. Some variety of that.
>>
>> Well, hopefully it won't happen again for another 10 years.  Or at least 
>> until Oct. 26.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 7:23:07 PM UTC-7, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a first time for everything. I lost data worth a few hours 
>>> today. Its not the end of the world but I am at my wits end as to how it 
>>> happened. I am sharing this to find out if you have any strange 
>>> explanations or if it has happened to you like this ever.
>>> Here are the facts of the case:
>>>
>>> 1. I am on windows 10, chrome browser which I just checked, is 
>>> up-to-date.
>>> 2. I was using the default saver, and I was over writing my file on the 
>>> disk. 
>>> 3. The file was physically located in Google drive folder, which is in 
>>> sync all the time
>>> 4. I had been making notes since morning and periodically I pressed the 
>>> save button and overwrote the local file. 
>>> 5. I remember the dialog box warning for overwriting coming up, and I 
>>> saying yes to it. I remember the sound of the warning too. (this makes me 
>>> feel sure that I did save my file a couple of times at least)
>>> 6.  At around 5pm PST, I closed the browser and shut down my laptop 
>>> because my brain was fatigued and I thought I should move around a bit
>>> 7. I came back to the room after about half an hour and started my 
>>> laptop.
>>> 8. When I opened my TW it had only one tiddler in it and that was the 
>>> very first one from early afternoon. No other tiddlers were there.
>>> 9. I checked the local file time stamp and it had 12.30pm !
>>> 10. I was dumbfounded! I went to my google drive on web and check the 
>>> file version. There were none after 12.30pm!
>>> 11. I searched my chrome history to see if I accidentally was working on 
>>> any other TW simultaneously with a similar name. Nope, nothing.
>>> 12. I searched my windows machine to see if I could find any local file 
>>> I worked on. None.
>>>
>>> So what happened? The only explanation is that I did not save at all. 
>>> This I am not ready to accept. I definitely saved a couple of times. But 
>>> timestamp on my file as well as google driver version time says last 
>>> modification was 12.30 pm. This is very strange. 
>>> At one time during my workflow I pulled out the TW tab from my chrome 
>>> and made it into separate window. And about an hour later I merged all the 
>>> tabs back. I do not know, but I am suspecting maybe that splitting and 
>>> merging did something. 
>>>
>>> Well, the data was lost. That's okay. 
>>>
>>> Assuming that I did press the save button and followed the process, is 
>>> it in any

[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout


>
>
> Hi Arlen, JD
>
> those paragraphs apparently are generated by the wiki parser when it 
> encounters new-lines / whitespace
>
> that's useful when writing text within a tiddler to get actual new lines 
> in the rendered result when:
>
> ```
> text
>
> more text
> ```
>
> but for ui parts it's not always desirable. at some points the core ui 
> actually uses it without explicitely adding span or div or p elements
>
> just consider that if it's a vnd.tiddlywiki tiddler and there's no 
> \whitespace trim pragma on top, such new lines will generate paragraphs
>
> you can however put a \whitespace trim on top of the tiddler (and 
> separately within macro definitions inside that tiddler) .. I don't know if 
> there's a \rules pragma which can be used to switch paragraphs off
>

ah no, the \whitespace trim doesn't remove those new lines, so forget about 
this tip ;)

 

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[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout


Hi Arlen, JD

those paragraphs apparently are generated by the wiki parser when it 
encounters new-lines / whitespace

that's useful when writing text within a tiddler to get actual new lines in 
the rendered result when:

```
text

more text
```

but for ui parts it's not always desirable. at some points the core ui 
actually uses it without explicitely adding span or div or p elements

just consider that if it's a vnd.tiddlywiki tiddler and there's no 
\whitespace trim pragma on top, such new lines will generate paragraphs

you can however put a \whitespace trim on top of the tiddler (and 
separately within macro definitions inside that tiddler) .. I don't know if 
there's a \rules pragma which can be used to switch paragraphs off

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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

Hi admls,

Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing 
the window, and it looks so easy to style! 

This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a 
separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served 
through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this 
will add to my workflow...

Thank you so much for sharing!

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable ui:
>
> * Repopup
> * Volant
> * Engine
> * Mentat
>
> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/
>
> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, is 
> why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who wishes 
> to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to get 
> them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> admls
>
> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. 
> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn 
> how to polish it a bit.
>

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[tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

Hi Arlen,

I'm so curious about this, too. I wish the  tags had been removed from 
page templates ( I understand they're needed in the body content )... Can 
anyone enlighten?

-jd

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 7:45:44 PM UTC+9, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I'm running into a puzzling problem and am curious if someone could 
> explain it to me. I'm trying to change the layout of the TiddlyWiki UI 
> using CSS but I keep running into p tags at random places that completely 
> break the proper flow of the layout. I can't figure out what's causing it 
> but it's all over the core, not just in my code, so I'm not sure what 
> they're for. 
> Thanks
> Arlen
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[tw5] Re: Announcing 4 New Plugins (sort of)

2019-03-12 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi admls,

Very impressive.

Thanks for sharing,

Ton

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Re: [tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

2019-03-12 Thread Adam Sherwood

Hi Mohammad,

That's really interesting. The place I noticed the phenomenon was in a
tiddler being used as a template as well. I'm going to check out the filter
issue that Jeremy suggested when I get the chance later. But I suspect
that's probably it in my case. It would make sense that the filter would
work prior to the plugin being packaged, not work post packaging, and then
work again once I open the tiddler and hit the checkmark (effectively
overwriting it and making it not a plugin tiddler anymore). I don't know if
you used a similar process, but I'm guessing that that probably it in my
case.

Best wishes,

admls

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:34 AM Mohammad 
wrote:

> Hi admls,
>  I have encountered the same problem, For example I had demo tiddler
> packed into plugin and it used a viewtemplate.
> It did not work until I opened and saved it. Example is sticky footer in
> Shiraz plugin!
>
> I did not fount the reason and hope Jeremy gives his comment on this.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:10:08 AM UTC+3:30, admls wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I came across a really weird problem. I've been developing some plugins
>> on node, and they work fine there. But when I build the release, a few of
>> the tiddlers in the plugin simply don't work until I open them and save
>> them again. I don't make any changes, just open, close. And then they
>> function.
>>
>> Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm out of my depth here.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> admls
>>
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[tw5] Paragraph tags in layout

Hi Everyone,
I'm running into a puzzling problem and am curious if someone could explain
it to me. I'm trying to change the layout of the TiddlyWiki UI using CSS
but I keep running into p tags at random places that completely break the
proper flow of the layout. I can't figure out what's causing it but it's
all over the core, not just in my code, so I'm not sure what they're for.
Thanks
Arlen

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Re: [tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi Mohammad

That sounds like the same issue: you’ve got tiddlers in the plugin that are not 
showing up in some filter somewhere due to the filter being coded to exclude 
shadow tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 12 Mar 2019, at 04:05, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Hi admls,
>  I have encountered the same problem, For example I had demo tiddler packed 
> into plugin and it used a viewtemplate.
> It did not work until I opened and saved it. Example is sticky footer in 
> Shiraz plugin!
> 
> I did not fount the reason and hope Jeremy gives his comment on this.
> 
> --Mohammad
> 
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:10:08 AM UTC+3:30, admls wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I came across a really weird problem. I've been developing some plugins on 
> node, and they work fine there. But when I build the release, a few of the 
> tiddlers in the plugin simply don't work until I open them and save them 
> again. I don't make any changes, just open, close. And then they function.
> 
> Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm out of my depth here.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> admls
> 
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Re: [tw5] Possibilities of using Google Apps Scripts?

2019-03-12 Thread CHUN LI

Hi Siniy-Kit,

Thanks again for sharing this.

I tried to figure out the necessary tiddlers / system tiddlers to get my 
Google table data into my blank TiddlyWiki 5.1.19 on node.js, but it seems 
like only the boot.js, bootprefix.js and bootprefix1.js are not enough. 
Could you suggest which tiddlers are also need to be included?

Kind regards,

Chun

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 2:50:11 AM UTC+13, Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
> All my javascript I put to one tiddler 
> http://novye-podarki.ru/6_7_0/heeg.html#%24%3A%2Fboot%2Fbootprefix1.js  I 
> know, that it is not correct, but my project heeg.ru is not professional. 
> it has only  30-40 unique users per day (both with shop users and their 
> shops).
> I don't see transactions of shops on my site (this information is 
> private), but i think it is about 0 :)
>
> test project http://heeg.ru/shop_test29.html use  gviz google api. so it 
> loads not whole table at start (as my standard shop), but only necessary 
> part of it. So this APi use google table as database all code is
>
>
> var part='';
>
> var dataURL = '
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b3CFfclMbQEQyJXVAz4yrqOiUS3vL_5jt-85ku0E9Ck/gviz/tq?sheet=goods
> ';
>
> function drawVisualization(dataURL,queryString,part) {
>
> var opts = {
> sendMethod: 'auto'
> };
> var query = new google.visualization.Query(dataURL, opts);
> query.setQuery(queryString);
> query.send(handleQueryResponse);
> }
>
> function handleQueryResponse(response) {
> if (response.isError()) {
> alert('Error in query: ' + response.getMessage() + ' ' + 
> response.getDetailedMessage());
> return;
> }
> var data = JSON.parse(response.getDataTable().toJSON());
>
>
>
>  
> for (var ik=0, lenk=data.rows.length; ik   var fields = Object.create(null);
> for (var i=0, len=data.cols.length; i if(data.cols[i].label=='id'){new_keya='title'}else 
> if(data.cols[i].label=='name'){new_keya='caption'}else{
> new_keya=data.cols[i].label};
>
>
>
> if(data.rows[ik].c[i] == null || data.rows[ik].c[i].v=="" || 
> data.rows[ik].c[i].v==undefined){}else if(new_keya=="tags"){
> fields[new_keya]=data.rows[ik].c[i].v+" $:/Note"+" 
> "+search_text;}else{fields[new_keya]=data.rows[ik].c[i].v+""};
>
>  };
> $tw.wiki.addTiddler(new 
> $tw.Tiddler($tw.wiki.getModificationFields(),fields,$tw.wiki.getCreationFields()));
>
>
> };
>
> if (part=="limit 1"){
> var story = new $tw.Story();
> story.navigateTiddler(search_text);
> }
>
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
> function summaryVisualTitle(title, col, par){
> if(title.length>2){
> querySummary = 'select * Where ' +col +' like '+title+' ' +par;
> part=par;
> search_text=title;
> drawVisualization(dataURL,querySummary,part);
>
>
>
> }
> }
>
>  
>
> пятница, 8 марта 2019 г., 14:59:57 UTC+3 пользователь Jeremy Ruston 
> написал:
>>
>> Hi Siniy-Kit
>>
>> What you've built is incredibly impressive. I would love to get the 
>> techniques you are using written up so that it's easier for others to 
>> follow. Do you have any idea of the traffic volumes you're seeing? Can you 
>> talk about the number of successfully completed transactions per day/week 
>> etc?
>>
>> here is google table shop demo with 14000+ ITEMS  
>> http://heeg.ru/shop_test29.htm
>>
>>
>> This URL didn't work for me.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> среда, 20 февраля 2019 г., 12:38:37 UTC+3 пользователь CHUN LI написал:
>>>
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the guide and I will see how far I can go.
>>>
>>> May I ask a further question? Can a blank TW file also be created by 
>>> publishing a Google web app? I guess it is about the fundamental 
>>> requirements of creating a TW file vs. the limitation of GAS? 
>>>
>>> (I read about Web app on GAS from 
>>> https://developers.google.com/apps-script/guides/web)
>>>
>>> So I am thinking, 
>>>
>>>1. Create a Google spreadsheet on my Google drive.
>>>2. Open Script Editor from the 'Tools' tab in the Google spreadsheet.
>>>3. Add (write) all the necessary .js, .html, .css code in my TW.html 
>>>file. Please see a screenshot attached below. GAS use .html file to 
>>> store 
>>>all these three types of files. 
>>>4. Use a .gs file, e.g. getData.gs, to read all the data from the 
>>>Google spreadsheet. The data can be used to create a .json tiddler, and 
>>>create tiddlers.
>>>5. Publish as a web app.
>>>6. The Google spreadsheet can be updated using a Google form. The 
>>>form can also be a tiddler and be used to edit (add) tiddlers. 
>>>7. Multiple users can work on the Google spreadsheet. Their Google 
>>>logins will be collected and used as tiddler authors.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-02-20 at 10.12.53 PM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chun
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 12:25:32 AM UTC+13, Jeremy Ruston 
>>> wrote:

[tw5] Re: Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi admls,
 I have encountered the same problem, For example I had demo tiddler packed 
into plugin and it used a viewtemplate.
It did not work until I opened and saved it. Example is sticky footer in 
Shiraz plugin!

I did not fount the reason and hope Jeremy gives his comment on this.

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:10:08 AM UTC+3:30, admls wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I came across a really weird problem. I've been developing some plugins on 
> node, and they work fine there. But when I build the release, a few of the 
> tiddlers in the plugin simply don't work until I open them and save them 
> again. I don't make any changes, just open, close. And then they function.
>
> Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm out of my depth here.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> admls
>

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[tw5] Re: Suggestions for stand-alone, mobile TW files?

Oh wow, thanks Mohammad! Although Ml is really just an interface to 
manipulate and present the fields of tiddlers (through the perspective of 
an expense tracker)

Ah, to access the Tiddlywiki control panel you'd have to go to Tiddlywiki 
mode itself, ( Manage > Looks & TW, click the motovun jack icon... on a 
side note, I am in love with the word Motovun, sounds so rpg, doesn't it?)

The thought is, for this particular plugin, to just save this html file in 
your android phone and run it on the Android apps. To do Tiddlywiki things 
you have to go to Tiddlywiki mode. Perhaps I should add an option for 
people who might not work this way. I really have no idea how other people 
work with Tiddlywiki hehehe

-jd



On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 1:10:20 PM UTC+9, Mohammad wrote:
>
> JD,
>  This is absolutely great!
> One cannot believe it possible to produce such app using Tiddlywiki!
>
> One question
> where is the control panel?
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:58:53 PM UTC+3:30, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I have an expense tracker, still in alpha, that can be demoed here: 
>> http://j.d.ml.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I still need to tweak the *Reports *> *Categories *tab and clean up the 
>> code + documentation, but I've been testing it with Quine and BTC's android 
>> app and have found it to be very usable. It has replaced other Android apps 
>> I used to track money with. (tab: *Manage *> *Looks* is very fun )
>>
>> I haven't released it properly yet because I'm concerned with the lag. 
>>
>> At low battery percent, around 15% and below, it lags on my Nexus6P, 
>> especially on Quine. With BTC's Android app, the performance is a little 
>> bit better even on low batt. This happens at around 300+ transactions 
>> logged in.
>>
>> Just wanted to share.
>>
>> -jd
>>
>> *EDIT:*
>>
>> Dang, I forgot to mention that this relies on my favorite plugin: Evan's 
>> Formulas 
>> Plugin , and so 
>> doesn't meet your requirement for it to be completely stand alone.
>>
>> Also, *FANTASTIC ANDROID APP* !!! Thank you so much for it!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 8:33:56 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes! I thought that there was another version. Perhaps this link should 
>>> be use in tiddlymap?
>>>
>>> That looks good. My main concern was that the TW file be 
>>> application-focused, allowing a user to immediately get started without 
>>> having to bat away additional projects (even if those projects might be 
>>> also good in their own pages).
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 4:20:00 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 You are probably looking for this version of ToDoNow: 
 https://tid.li/tw5/tdn.html – I will have to update it soon, so you 
 can tell me beforehand if this suits your wishes concerning size/number of 
 plugins.

 Cheers,
 Thomas

 Am Sonntag, 10. März 2019 19:01:40 UTC+1 schrieb Mark S.:
>
> I'm looking for suggestions for complete, stand-alone mobile apps to 
> put in the configurable (if you like JSON) download section of a mobile 
> app.
>
> The "stand-alone" bit is important. There's a lot of good projects out 
> there, but some of them have been compiled with unrelated projects, which 
> would be distracting. It would be presumptuous of me to provide my own 
> versions of other's work. Or would it?
>
> For instance, I immediately thought of "Todo Now", but when I visited 
> the page (or at least the link I had via tiddlymaps), I see that's 
> actually 
> embedded in a tw with many plugins. 
>
> It would be neat to have representatives from the various recognized 
> categories:
>
> * Todo lists
> * Contacts
> * Education
> * Math/calculator
> * Health
> * Bookmarks
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>


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Re: [tw5] Where can I see demo of mobile drag and drop?

Hi Archizona

> I have install this plugin. But the is no examples in it. I want to drag and 
> drop something in TW5 on my phone. May be somebody have examples?

Drag and drop functionality is included in the TW core. All that the shim 
plugin does is add support for older browsers that don’t natively support drag 
and drop. So you’ll only need the plugin if drag and drop doesn’t work on your 
device without it.

You can see whether drag and drop is working by trying to rearrange the entries 
in the “open” tab of the sidebar. If that doesn’t work then likely you need the 
shim plugin.

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Re: [tw5] Where can I see demo of mobile drag and drop?

2019-03-12 Thread Archizona V

I have install this plugin. But the is no examples in it. I want to drag and 
drop something in TW5 on my phone. May be somebody have examples?

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Re: [tw5] Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Brilliant. The filters would never have occurred to me. I'll give that a look 
in a bit and see if that solves it. 

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Re: [tw5] Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi admls

> My plugins have some tiddlers of type text/vnd.tiddlywiki and some of type 
> application/javascript. I don't really understand what rawmarkup is. Could 
> you explain a bit more?

The rawmarkup mechanism is a means for plugins to insert snippets of code in 
the main TW HTML file. It is used by some plugins to include external scripts 
and setup configuration etc.

If you’re not using rawmarkup tiddlers it’s not so obvious what might be going 
wrong.

When you say “open them and save them again” are you referring to the tiddlers 
within your plugins? If so, it sounds like some of your filter expressions are 
only picking up “real” tiddlers, and not shadow tiddlers.

If you want to get all tiddlers tagged “foo” including shadow tiddlers you need 
a filter like this:

[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[foo]]

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: Text summary of TiddlyMap neighbourhood

2019-03-12 Thread Felix Küppers

Hi Rds

??? all tiddlers that have an TiddlyMap edge with the current tiddler
>

have a look here: https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap/issues/138

To get the "current" tiddler in the sidebar you could use the hotzone 
plugin https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-HotZone

Regards
Felix

On Saturday, 9 March 2019 15:30:14 UTC+1, rds wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for ways to use TiddlyWiki as a concept mapping tool.
> TiddlyMap seems to be a nearly perfect match, my only issue being that the 
> visualization is too slow for neighbourhoods > 1 (also the selected node is 
> not centered and the whole view is too zoomed out to be readable in larger 
> graphs).
> The ability to see a broader environment of a concept (tiddler) is key for 
> me.
>
> I think it should be possible to have a SideBar tab which for the current 
> tiddler would give a text version of the map - lists of:
>
> !!! Parents
> <>
>
> !!! Children
> <] +[sort[title]]">>
>
> !!! Links
> <>
>
> !!! Backlinks
> <>
>
> !!! Siblings
> ??? all tiddlers that share at least one of the tags
>
> !!! Related
> ??? all tiddlers that have an TiddlyMap edge with the current tiddler
>
>
> I have two questions:
>
>1. How to define the Siblings and Related lists?
>2. How to make this Navigator work from the SideBar for the current 
>active tiddler.
>
>
> Is this possible?
> Thank you in any case!
> I'm completely new to TiddlyWiki and hope I finally found a home for my 
> knowledge base :)!
>

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Re: [tw5] Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi Jeremy,
My plugins have some tiddlers of type text/vnd.tiddlywiki and some of type 
application/javascript. I don't really understand what rawmarkup is. Could you 
explain a bit more?

Best wishes,
Admls

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[tw5] Macro parameters may contain variable substitutions

I just discovered something that I think is undocumented but could be
extremely useful! When arguments are passed to the macrocall widget, it
first processes the param substitutions of the macro, AND THEN processes
the variable substitutions. This means that you can pass in a variable
substitution as a paramater, like this:

\define gt(a, b) $a$ $b$ +[nsort[]last[]remove[$b$]]
<$list filter=<> variable="temp">



In case you're curious about the filter, it sorts the two arguments and if
the second one is larger the list will not output a DOM element.

Enjoy!
Arlen

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Re: [tw5] Where can I see demo of mobile drag and drop?


>
> Hi Archizona 
>
> > Here https://tiddlywiki.com/#Mobile%20Drag%20And%20Drop%20Shim%20Plugin 
> is link to documentation.  I don't understand how to load demo from github. 
> Help me please :) 
>
> That tiddler describes a plugin called "Mobile Drag and Drop Shim Plugin" 
> to be found in the official plugin library; you can install it using 
> control panel. 
>
> The link to the source code is just provided to show the provenance of the 
> code. 
>
> Having said all of that, I think that all modern mobile platforms now 
> support drag and drop natively, so one would only need this plugin if you 
> were specifically targetting old browsers. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
>
Hi Jeremy, I recently installed this drag-and-drop shim plugin in a wiki 
that rebuilds the TiddlyDesktop "starting page" interface. In an Android 
webview it enabled dragging the elements with my fingers, which wasn't 
possible without itj 

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Re: [tw5] Plugin tiddlers non-functional until opened and saved

Hi admls

Plugins that include rawmarkup tiddlers do indeed require saving and reloading 
twice before they work properly. The first save/reload loads the plugin, and 
the second gives the plugin a chance to write the necessary rawmarkup tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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> On 12 Mar 2019, at 01:40, admls  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I came across a really weird problem. I've been developing some plugins on 
> node, and they work fine there. But when I build the release, a few of the 
> tiddlers in the plugin simply don't work until I open them and save them 
> again. I don't make any changes, just open, close. And then they function.
> 
> Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm out of my depth here.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> admls
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Re: [tw5] Where can I see demo of mobile drag and drop?