from:"Jon"

Sorry when I wrote

*One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in 
the case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast 
the total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total*

Of course I meant the *total* of all existing scores not the *number* of 
all existing scores  - if there were 100 tiddlers each with a score of 10.0 
then I am referring to the total score of 1000.0

On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:22:08 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Some advantages and disadvantages of the upvoting way of working.
>
> The upvoting plugin has an upper limit of +99 and a lower limit of -99 
> with colour coding so that negative votes are a different colour which 
> explains why it shows rank visually as a number on the tiddler instead of a 
> row of stars !!!
>
> There is great freedom here but it shares the same issue as the star 
> ranking system which is what I call voting inflation. 
>
> You see it when judges award marks out of ten for a performance, once a 
> judge as awarded a perfect ten then the judge is in trouble if a better 
> performer comes along next.
>
> One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in 
> the case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast 
> the total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total 
> is then eroded a little by applying a factor - say 0.95 - each tiddler 
> apart from the one being voted on right now is then assigned a share of 
> that diminished total based on it's previous share - so every vote apart 
> from the new one keeps it's relative position with respect to the others 
> but non of the older voting scores can be a perfect ten - only the latest 
> ranking or re-ranking can receive a perfect ten. It's a crude model I know 
> - in reality it would need work but the principle is there to overcome 
> voting inflation which occurs because perhaps we cannot actually really 
> compare the latest tiddler with every other tiddler we should really 
> compare it with to vote accurately - instead we end up using upvoting as a 
> way to push something a little higher or lower in the rankings having a 
> vague awareness it deserves to be higher or lower but without having the 
> time to really go into it in detail - the hope is that although the 
> decision is made without full consideration, if up voting or down voting 
> occurs frequently enough then it will eventually reflet our wishes - I 
> suppose most of the time, if we were looking at a story river ordered by 
> vote then we are just judging each tiddler relative to ones in the same 
> neighborhood. I suppose voting inflation occurs if we tend to favour moving 
> items down rather than up but in some cases it is simply easier to move the 
> deserving tiddler up rather than move some of it's neighbors down?
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:05:09 UTC Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear.
>>
>> I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the 
>> use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct 
>> user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a 
>> toolkit of functionality to support these fields.
>>
>> Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate 
>> which ranking slot they were assigned to use.
>>
>> A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the 
>> housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed 
>> used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about 
>> the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who 
>> earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of 
>> financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground 
>> level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not 
>> involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see 
>> ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order 
>> in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that 
>> money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and 
>> rank tiddlers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote:
>>
>>> Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely 
>>> clear picture what I need but it is becoming clearer.
>>>
>>> At the m

[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

Some advantages and disadvantages of the upvoting way of working.

The upvoting plugin has an upper limit of +99 and a lower limit of -99 with 
colour coding so that negative votes are a different colour which explains 
why it shows rank visually as a number on the tiddler instead of a row of 
stars !!!

There is great freedom here but it shares the same issue as the star 
ranking system which is what I call voting inflation. 

You see it when judges award marks out of ten for a performance, once a 
judge as awarded a perfect ten then the judge is in trouble if a better 
performer comes along next.

One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in the 
case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast the 
total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total is 
then eroded a little by applying a factor - say 0.95 - each tiddler apart 
from the one being voted on right now is then assigned a share of that 
diminished total based on it's previous share - so every vote apart from 
the new one keeps it's relative position with respect to the others but non 
of the older voting scores can be a perfect ten - only the latest ranking 
or re-ranking can receive a perfect ten. It's a crude model I know - in 
reality it would need work but the principle is there to overcome voting 
inflation which occurs because perhaps we cannot actually really compare 
the latest tiddler with every other tiddler we should really compare it 
with to vote accurately - instead we end up using upvoting as a way to push 
something a little higher or lower in the rankings having a vague awareness 
it deserves to be higher or lower but without having the time to really go 
into it in detail - the hope is that although the decision is made without 
full consideration, if up voting or down voting occurs frequently enough 
then it will eventually reflet our wishes - I suppose most of the time, if 
we were looking at a story river ordered by vote then we are just judging 
each tiddler relative to ones in the same neighborhood. I suppose voting 
inflation occurs if we tend to favour moving items down rather than up but 
in some cases it is simply easier to move the deserving tiddler up rather 
than move some of it's neighbors down?

On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:05:09 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear.
>
> I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the 
> use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct 
> user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a 
> toolkit of functionality to support these fields.
>
> Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate 
> which ranking slot they were assigned to use.
>
> A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the 
> housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed 
> used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about 
> the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who 
> earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of 
> financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground 
> level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not 
> involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see 
> ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order 
> in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that 
> money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and 
> rank tiddlers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely clear 
>> picture what I need but it is becoming clearer.
>>
>> At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one 
>> when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing 
>> - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons.
>>
>> Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year 
>> old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' 
>> through tags - I thought for instance I had discovered something new 
>> recently but it turns out that the seed of the idea was over a year old - 
>> my earlier tiddler had some good ideas that I had become disconnected with. 
>> Of course older tiddlers often lack some tags and links precisely because 
>> they are old and written at a time when those additional tags and similar 
>> tiddlers did not yet exist. Many of my tiddlers although single topic 
>> contain 500 to 1000 wo

[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear.

I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the 
use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct 
user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a 
toolkit of functionality to support these fields.

Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate 
which ranking slot they were assigned to use.

A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the 
housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed 
used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about 
the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who 
earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of 
financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground 
level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not 
involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see 
ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order 
in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that 
money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and 
rank tiddlers.












On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely clear 
> picture what I need but it is becoming clearer.
>
> At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one 
> when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing 
> - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons.
>
> Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year 
> old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' 
> through tags - I thought for instance I had discovered something new 
> recently but it turns out that the seed of the idea was over a year old - 
> my earlier tiddler had some good ideas that I had become disconnected with. 
> Of course older tiddlers often lack some tags and links precisely because 
> they are old and written at a time when those additional tags and similar 
> tiddlers did not yet exist. Many of my tiddlers although single topic 
> contain 500 to 1000 words. 
>
> Backlinks are a very good indicator but they do not tell the whole story - 
> they are asymmetric to my ranking code  because I only detect the backlinks 
> and not links in the regular text entry of the tiddler so sometimes there 
> is a really useful tiddler that has a lot of backlinks and clustered around 
> that useful tiddlers perhaps even more useful ones that have no backlinks 
> because I originally linked in one direction.
>
> I have played around also with star ratings plugin 
> $:/plugins/tobibeer/rate 
> <#m_9125681000821279062_%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftobibeer%2Frate> - where the 
> field to contain the integer star rating is held by an integer ( 1 to 5 ) 
> as a dynamically added field in the tiddler - by this I mean that the field 
> is added to the tiddler when you first assign a star rating - it also 
> disappears if you later change your mind and give that tiddler a zero 
> rating.
>
> Also the upvoting tool from Kooma $:/plugins/kookma/vote - if I 
> understand this one correctly it does not actually add a field to the 
> tiddler but instead maintains it's own table of votes for all tiddlers 
> which is held in a special tiddler? I stand to be corrected on this one :-) 
> If my understanding is correct then I did find this one less useful - I 
> would have preferred a field added to the tiddler being voted on so that 
> code written by me could then be independent on Kooma's code and then 
> simply display tiddlers in the main story river according to how my own 
> filters interact with the vote number stored in the tiddler.
>
> Finally I have my own tags called simply "1" and "2" - these I assign to 
> tiddlers I find particularly useful a bit like "silver" and "gold" medals - 
> currently I do not have "bronze" - there is no "3".
>
> Are these lots of different ways of solving the same problem? Yes 
> certainly but that does not mean that they are redundant, each has it's 
> strengths and weaknesses.
>
> For instance the strength and weakness of both the stars plugin and the 
> upvoting plugin are that you do not have to go into edit mode just click on 
> the widget - this does also mean that accidental voting may occur - this 
> would be easy to do on my mobile phone for instance - consequence could be 
> that one of my most useful tiddlers disappears to the bottom of the pond 
> again. 
>
> There is psychology here as well - for instance

[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

y or simply published frameworks for this.

The goal for a support framework, a tool kit if you like would be to 

1. Simplify plugins written with the purpose of assigning integer rank to 
tiddlers and have a common way of storing the rank. I do not favour rank 
being stored in special tiddlers because I think it is less accessible to 
developers having a rudimentary knowledge of Tiddlywiki - for instance in 
my case I can write filters and add pill buttons to my side bar to filter 
on criteria I consider of interest but I do not have the technical 
expertise to write the above plugins mentioned above - I can usually tweak 
them after study of the code but that is all.

2. Provide methods for updating ranking not just on a single tiddler when 
someone has voted on it but on all tiddlers - for instance the ranking 
based on the number of backlinks may require periodic refresh although I do 
not believe it would necessary require automatic update - I would happily 
press a button once a day to update.

The justification for wanting common ground - a best practices toolkit is 
to try and ensure that the methods for assigning, updating and reading rank 
are similar and suited to as many ways of working as possible - for 
instance I found it much easier to create buttons for the tobibeer ranking 
system ( to display on the story river ) because I just had to react to a 
field stored in the tiddler containing a simple integer - I found this less 
easy with Kooma's voting system because as far as I understand it the 
rankings for all tiddlers are stored in a special tiddler rather than the 
actual tiddler being ranked. I think if the storage method and the methods 
of access, update and so on have a common feel then we might see more and 
more interesting ideas develop which can be adapted to suit the individual 
user. Ideally I would like to focus on the algorithm that calculates rank ( 
if rank is not a simple user assignment as it is in the case of upvoting 
and stars ) and probably develop several different models in the attempt to 
better understand the connections and priorities in my own knowledge base. 
It is very unlikely that one view of the world will satisfy every user and 
every wiki - we all think and organise differently but I do feel a vanilla 
toolkit to facilitate the housekeeping activities would enable non-expert 
coders in Tiddlywiki to focus on the meat of the problem rather than the 
housekeeping.

Sorry it's so long but I think ranking is an absolutely critical part of 
any large knowledge base wiki particularly if the knowledge base is not 
focused on a hard science where there may be fewer alternative views or 
perspectives on a particular area of study where the individual may find 
their viewpoint is in constant development and the knowledge base is 
constantly in revision, review and mining for new connections and 
explanations. 

On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:04:01 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Many thanks Mohammad - I will try that out.
>
> On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 07:46:13 UTC Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Jon,
>>
>>  My filter looks like this
>> <$list 
>> filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'>
>>
>> you can use :sort as a simpler solution
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix
>> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:15:59 AM UTC+3:30 jonligh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I found a useful lead from Eric Shulman using subsort
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/hZBWTSo8eCw
>>>
>>> Using this I can order in the filter directly.
>>>
>>> My filter looks like this
>>> <$list 
>>> filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'>
>>>
>>> And the macro sub looks like this
>>> \define sub() [backlinks[]count[]]
>>>
>>> Thought I would leave this for the next person.
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 12:08:21 UTC Jon Light wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in being able to get an overview of my wiki to identify 
>>>> tiddlers which seems to function as important "hubs" in my knowledge base 
>>>> - 
>>>> for instance if a tiddler has ten backlinks then it might be more 
>>>> important 
>>>> than one with say 2 backlinks - or perhaps I have neglected a tiddler 
>>>> because I have missed places which should ideally link to it. 
>>>>
>>>> I use the "giffmex" bi-directional back link plugin so the required 
>>>> data is already in place.  
>>>>
>>>> It's all speculative, I am just interested in seeing if tools can sh

[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

Many thanks Mohammad - I will try that out.

On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 07:46:13 UTC Mohammad wrote:

> Jon,
>
>  My filter looks like this
> <$list filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'>
>
> you can use :sort as a simpler solution
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:15:59 AM UTC+3:30 jonligh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I found a useful lead from Eric Shulman using subsort
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/hZBWTSo8eCw
>>
>> Using this I can order in the filter directly.
>>
>> My filter looks like this
>> <$list 
>> filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'>
>>
>> And the macro sub looks like this
>> \define sub() [backlinks[]count[]]
>>
>> Thought I would leave this for the next person.
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 12:08:21 UTC Jon Light wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am interested in being able to get an overview of my wiki to identify 
>>> tiddlers which seems to function as important "hubs" in my knowledge base - 
>>> for instance if a tiddler has ten backlinks then it might be more important 
>>> than one with say 2 backlinks - or perhaps I have neglected a tiddler 
>>> because I have missed places which should ideally link to it. 
>>>
>>> I use the "giffmex" bi-directional back link plugin so the required data 
>>> is already in place.  
>>>
>>> It's all speculative, I am just interested in seeing if tools can show 
>>> relationships in my knowledge base which is 20MB which perhaps I cannot 
>>> always appreciate.  
>>>
>>> I do not regularly code in Tiddlywiki so I started off with existing 
>>> code to hack..
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/j5oVXLCErE8/m/okRgDg9GCgAJ
>>>
>>> My experimental tiddler code now looks like this
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[]]" variable="tiddler">
>>> <$list filter="[backlinks[]count[]]" variable="count">
>>> <$reveal type="lteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!minimum" text=<> > 
>>> <$reveal type="gteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!maximum" text=<> > 
>>> <> <$link to=<> />
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> It's a good start -  it displays a list of all my tiddlers with the 
>>> number of backlinks for each tiddler displayed - the next step would be to 
>>> order the list so that tiddlers with the most backlinks appear higher in 
>>> the list.
>>>
>>> I looked at the idea of adding a new field to each tiddler to hold the 
>>> number of backlinks - if so then so far have not found out how to add a new 
>>> field (if it does not already exist) and write the value 'count'. 
>>>
>>> So far performance is not an issue. 
>>>
>>> I am interested in any existing plugins or attempts to extract this kind 
>>> of information from large wikis - no point re-inventing the wheel!
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

2022-01-03 Thread Jon Light

I found a useful lead from Eric Shulman using subsort
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/hZBWTSo8eCw

Using this I can order in the filter directly.

My filter looks like this
<$list filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'>

And the macro sub looks like this
\define sub() [backlinks[]count[]]

Thought I would leave this for the next person.
Jon




On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 12:08:21 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am interested in being able to get an overview of my wiki to identify 
> tiddlers which seems to function as important "hubs" in my knowledge base - 
> for instance if a tiddler has ten backlinks then it might be more important 
> than one with say 2 backlinks - or perhaps I have neglected a tiddler 
> because I have missed places which should ideally link to it. 
>
> I use the "giffmex" bi-directional back link plugin so the required data 
> is already in place.  
>
> It's all speculative, I am just interested in seeing if tools can show 
> relationships in my knowledge base which is 20MB which perhaps I cannot 
> always appreciate.  
>
> I do not regularly code in Tiddlywiki so I started off with existing code 
> to hack..
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/j5oVXLCErE8/m/okRgDg9GCgAJ
>
> My experimental tiddler code now looks like this
>
> <$list filter="[all[]]" variable="tiddler">
> <$list filter="[backlinks[]count[]]" variable="count">
> <$reveal type="lteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!minimum" text=<> > 
> <$reveal type="gteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!maximum" text=<> > 
> <> <$link to=<> />
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> It's a good start -  it displays a list of all my tiddlers with the number 
> of backlinks for each tiddler displayed - the next step would be to order 
> the list so that tiddlers with the most backlinks appear higher in the list.
>
> I looked at the idea of adding a new field to each tiddler to hold the 
> number of backlinks - if so then so far have not found out how to add a new 
> field (if it does not already exist) and write the value 'count'. 
>
> So far performance is not an issue. 
>
> I am interested in any existing plugins or attempts to extract this kind 
> of information from large wikis - no point re-inventing the wheel!
>
> Thanks 
> Jon
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Update] TW-Vote plugin v1.0.0

2022-01-03 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mohammad, thanks that might be just what I have been looking for. My 
TiddlyWiki is over 20Mb and is a self learning+discovery tool as well as a 
knowledge base I have been looking for something like this, I will 
experiment with using it.

>From my view point a vote is a measure of usefulness - I might look at a 
previous vote on the current tiddler and think "that tiddler really was 
more useful than I previously thought I will rank it up a little more.

Additional areas of interest for me here are backlinks ( bi directional 
linking ) - the number of links to a particular tiddler might also be taken 
as another but different measure of popularity and usefulness. I would find 
it useful to have an extra tab on the results list that shows the number of 
backlinks to each tiddler. Even more useful might be to have both votes and 
backlinks on the same tab in two different columns that can both be used to 
order the list. That way it would be possible to ask questions like why are 
some high vote tiddlers low in the backlinks column - is that because the 
tiddler is very useful but also very new and so has not yet been fully 
integrated in the the web of the knowledge base - perhaps time to 
investigate why this is the case. Or perhaps a tiddler has a low vote but a 
large number of backlinks - perhaps this reflects older knowledge that is 
now contradicted by new evidence?

My experience of my own tiddlywiki is that the connections between items of 
our knowledge and thinking are sometimes just as interesting as the 
knowledge itself but it is difficult to visualise our mental maps in the 
way we might choose.
I have also been experimenting with TiddlyMap but whilst the maps are 
amazing to look at I have found due to the large size of my wiki it is 
difficult to extract the kind of impressions I want from the map, so I 
became interested in a simpler representation - ranked lists.

Another thought is how to combat "vote" inflation - if the common reaction 
is only to upvote the current candidate in the light of it's usefulness in 
the present moment we may end up awarding it more votes than a tiddler we 
have not seen for a while that is actually more useful. Judges in sports 
always face the problem if they award a perfect 10 - they have nowhere left 
to go if someone better comes along next.  One approach is to always be 
prepared to down vote a tiddler as well as to upvote it. Another is an 
ageing system where the awarded votes decay with time - for instance if all 
the votes are added together then each vote might be seen as a percentage 
of the total vote - the total vote can then be scaled by say 0.95 when 
someone presses the "rescale" button and then each tiddler is awarded a new 
vote which is calculated by multiplying it's share percentage by the 
adjusted total vote. Tiddlers that have been recently upvoted are given 
vote "juice" that has not yet been degraded by the time decay. It's 
probably overly complicated but it is useful I think to decide either as a 
code writer or a user how vote inflation might be dealt with?

Anyway time to play with your plugin.
Thanks a lot Jon

On Friday, 26 February 2021 at 05:16:22 UTC Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Diego,
>  I think the Kookma plugin library is now updated! It was an issue on my 
> side!
>  I forgot to update plugin.info  Vote release number is 1.0.1 now. 
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 5:26 AM dieg...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> Thank you! When will this be updated in the Kookma plugin library? I 
>> thought that happened automatically. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 5:37:01 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> *TW-Vote plugin*
>>>
>>> Vote plugin lets you rate tiddlers. Both voting and ranking of tiddlers 
>>> can be done.
>>>
>>> There is a new update
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Feb 25th, 2021*
>>>- [NEW] This is the first stable release
>>>- [NEW] Vote pill can be customized to be only displayed on selected 
>>>tiddlers
>>>- [NEW] Button to delete all voting
>>>- [NEW] Button to delete vote for missing tiddlers
>>>- [FIXED] Minor issues with macros
>>>- [FIXED] Some code clean up
>>>- [FIXED] Documentation improved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Feb 24th, 2021*
>>>- [NEW] Voting summary table
>>>- [NEW] Pagination in summary table
>>>- [NEW] Sort summary table both in title and vote number
>>>
>>>
>>> Special thanks to Mario and Alvaro for their help!
>>>
>>> *Code and demo*
>>>
>>> For learning plugin features, syntax, tutorial and examples see the 
>>> plu

[tw5] Re: Twiddlywiki 5.2.1- Trouble With Importing Plugins

2022-01-01 Thread Jon Light

If you find the 'manual' save mechanism that Mark mentions inconvenient 
then you might like to take a look at TiddlyDesktop which gives a more 
convenient save mechanism together with an autosave backup feature - a 
similar feature for your mobile device is Tiddloid, I run them both - 
TiddlyDesktop on my Linux laptop and Tiddloid on my android phone - 
although they are different apps I find the experience of using them 
alternately  seamless, the only manual operation being exporting the odd 
updated tiddler from my mobile devices to my laptop master - I just 
finished updating my master after being on vacation where I only had my 
phone with me.  

Don't think badly of Tiddlywiki for the awkward manual save mechanism - it 
is a consequence of the fact that TiddlyWiki is designed to run as a 
single, standalone HTML file which is what makes it so portable - your 
browser is designed to protect you and that is why the save mechanism ends 
up being a regular browser download file with your consent being necessary 
- Tiddlywiki is in effect just another webpage and no-one wants general 
webpages downloading files to their machine adhoc. 

On Saturday, 1 January 2022 at 01:18:36 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> If you don't have a save mechanism installed then when you click on "save" 
> what gets saved is a downloaded version of your program. You have to open 
> *that* downloaded copy (from your downloads) to see your newly installed 
> plugin. 
>
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 4:49:01 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I open the Tiddlwiki in Firefox and import the plugins. I click save and 
>> refresh. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 7:34:54 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> What save mechanism are you using?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good evening,

 Attempted to import, for example, the tiddlymap plugin. I am using the 
 latest version of Firefox on Monterey. After following the instructions 
 and 
 refreshing the page, the tiddlymap does not appear. I am not certain what 
 is going on. Any suggestions would be apprecated.

 Kind regards,
  -tim

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[tw5] Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks

2021-12-31 Thread Jon Light

Hi,

I am interested in being able to get an overview of my wiki to identify 
tiddlers which seems to function as important "hubs" in my knowledge base - 
for instance if a tiddler has ten backlinks then it might be more important 
than one with say 2 backlinks - or perhaps I have neglected a tiddler 
because I have missed places which should ideally link to it. 

I use the "giffmex" bi-directional back link plugin so the required data is 
already in place.  

It's all speculative, I am just interested in seeing if tools can show 
relationships in my knowledge base which is 20MB which perhaps I cannot 
always appreciate.  

I do not regularly code in Tiddlywiki so I started off with existing code 
to hack..

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/j5oVXLCErE8/m/okRgDg9GCgAJ

My experimental tiddler code now looks like this

<$list filter="[all[]]" variable="tiddler">
<$list filter="[backlinks[]count[]]" variable="count">
<$reveal type="lteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!minimum" text=<> > 
<$reveal type="gteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!maximum" text=<> > 
<> <$link to=<> />





It's a good start -  it displays a list of all my tiddlers with the number 
of backlinks for each tiddler displayed - the next step would be to order 
the list so that tiddlers with the most backlinks appear higher in the list.

I looked at the idea of adding a new field to each tiddler to hold the 
number of backlinks - if so then so far have not found out how to add a new 
field (if it does not already exist) and write the value 'count'. 

So far performance is not an issue. 

I am interested in any existing plugins or attempts to extract this kind of 
information from large wikis - no point re-inventing the wheel!

Thanks 
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Help with filter

2021-12-21 Thread Jon

Perfect!

Many thanks
Jon

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 14:12:03 UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some alternatives that are more compact:
>
> <$vars expression="Footnotes##myref1([^0-9]|\b)">
>
> <$list filter="[regexp:text]">
> {{!!title}}
> 
> 
>
> <$vars expression="Footnotes##myref1(^\d|\b)">
>
> <$list filter="[regexp:text]">
> {{!!title}}
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:06:55 AM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> G'day Jon,
>>
>> Sounds like you need something along the lines of:
>>
>> <$vars expression="Footnotes##myref1([^0123456789]|\b)">
>> <$list filter="[regexp:text]">
>> {{!!title}}
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:18:36 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have this as the 1st line of a filter
>>>
>>> <$list filter=[regexp:text[Footnotes##myref1]]>
>>>
>>> to find 'myref1' references, but I've discovered that it's also finding 
>>> 'myref11', 'myref12' etc.
>>>
>>> What do I need to include to get an exact match?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Jon
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Help with filter

2021-12-20 Thread Jon

Hi,

I have this as the 1st line of a filter

<$list filter=[regexp:text[Footnotes##myref1]]>

to find 'myref1' references, but I've discovered that it's also finding 
'myref11', 'myref12' etc.

What do I need to include to get an exact match?

Regards
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Hover over word to reveal transcluded content of another tiddler

2021-12-19 Thread Jon

Brilliant, thanks Eric.

And I notice that the single quotes around the tiddler name are necessary 
for tiddler names with more than one word e.g. Tiddler A

Regards
Jon

On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 09:50:45 UTC Eric Shulman wrote:

> instead of using the shorthand transclusion `{{TiddlerA}}`
> use the `<$transclude>` widget with the `mode=block` parameter, like this:
> ```
> < "Text"
> "<$transclude tiddler='TiddlerA' mode=block/>"
> >>
> ```
> enjoy
> -e
>

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[tw5] Hover over word to reveal transcluded content of another tiddler

2021-12-19 Thread Jon

Hi,

I'd like a simple way to hover over a word to reveal the transcluded 
content of another tiddler.

Tobias' overlay macro 
<https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#%24%3A%2F.tb%2Fdemo%2Foverlay> almost does 
it but loses the formatting of the transcluded tiddler. For instance 
hovering over 'Text' will reveal the contents of 'TiddlerA' but bullets 
will be shown as asterisks.

<>

Any ideas or alternative ways of doing it? (the answer might even be with 
the macro instructions)

Regards
Jon


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[tw5] Re: Introducing the RandomTiddlerButton plugin

2021-08-29 Thread Jon

Thanks for this - just what I was looking for!

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 at 14:32:47 UTC+1 R² wrote:

> Thanks for commenting Mario. No merit there, it's merely a FontAwesome SVG 
> I extracted to avoid requiring DiveO's whole plugin as a dependency.
>
> ++ R²
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Jon

Oh... what's the link?

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> I am moving too!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
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[tw5] Re: How to batch import journal entries?

2021-08-03 Thread Jon

Hi,

I did something similar a while ago. I can't just post the exact 
instructions now, but you should find this conversation 
useful https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/qbnKoBoGYfw/m/06ZgEuPgBQAJ

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 09:27:06 UTC+1 maxhi...@gmail.com wrote:

> UPDATE : I've managed to convert everything to txt using pandoc. Now i 
> mostly just need to figure out how to get the date modified to match up 
> with the date in tiddlywiki. Anyone know how? 
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 1:32:15 PM UTC+8 Radish Records wrote:
>
>>
>> It's two separate zip files one with pdfs and one with docxs, separate 
>> files for every entry i wanna put in, naming scheme is like (Month Day - 
>> title.pdf) although not everything is formatted identically.
>>
>> The timestamps for date of modification are correct, so ideally i'd sort 
>> using those. 
>> It's not strictly one per day, sometimes they'll be multiple entries per 
>> day.
>>
>> All plaintext, very few have images and i'm okay losing them in the 
>> transfer. 
>>
>> All in all it's only a few megabytes. 600 unique files. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 1:07:17 PM UTC+8 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Maxhi,
>>>
>>> I think you need to share more information about the arrangement of your 
>>> data. 
>>>
>>> PDF and docx are less easy to transfer from than other formats, do you 
>>> use one or more files? or spreadsheets, are these files based on some time 
>>> period or every day, or by subject. However you organise these is it easy 
>>> to identify the breaks such as the difference between two days? Can you 
>>> download all your data in a zip where they can be accessed as files?
>>>
>>> What is the total size of files, does it include images or Audio, are 
>>> they plain text or something else.
>>>
>>> My experience has taught me you start doing it and find ways to make it 
>>> faster or more automated if possible. But if you don't explain the first 
>>> step - understand your data we can help much.
>>>
>>> Never the less you can use special import tools, import multiple files 
>>> at once, import JSON, CSV, TEXT and more, and manipulate content after 
>>> import.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 13:12:36 UTC+10 maxhi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've kept a digital journal on google drive for 2 years or so, and want 
>>>> to move everything onto tiddlywiki. I've done the basic setup, and 
>>>> exporting my google drive files into docx and pdf. 
>>>>
>>>> Whats the fastest way to get everything on? 
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-02 Thread Jon

Many thanks Brian!

Regards
Jon

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 21:24:56 UTC+1 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> Jon, give this a try...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *\define newTidAction()<$action-createtiddler   $basetitle=< "0DD/0MM/YY">>   tags="log"   text=<>/>\end<$button 
> actions=<> 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/new-button}}*
>
>
> If you don't have a variable for the text field, you can leave it blank
>text="" 
>
> or leave the line out all together
>
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:07:30 PM UTC-7 Jon wrote:
>
>> Actually, not having to navigate to the tiddler would be useful. How do I 
>> incorporate  the  ActionCreateTiddlerWidget so as to produce the tiddler 
>> title as today's date and a tag?
>> I've looked at the docs but can't quite see how to do it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 06:58:17 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>
>>> p.s. thanks for the explanation as well
>>>
>>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 06:49:29 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tones,
>>>>
>>>> I just changed  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}  to 
>>>> {{$:/core/images/new-button}} in my original as you suggested and it 
>>>> worked 
>>>> - thanks!
>>>>
>>>> I think I didn't use the new Journal here button because I was thinking 
>>>> I already have that for the journal and I wanted to be able to created new 
>>>> tiddlers with different tags and text
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 01:59:55 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> When you transclude  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} you are 
>>>>> acutely Transcluding the whole button, change this to 
>>>>> {{$:/core/images/new-button}}
>>>>>
>>>>>- Basically clicking on the button triggers both  
>>>>>$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler and  $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>>>>- This highlights how a button widget acts somewhat like "on click"
>>>>>- ActionCreateTiddlerWidget can create tiddlers without navigating 
>>>>>to them (in fact you need to navigate to them) and has more control 
>>>>> than  
>>>>> $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>>>>
>>>>> However why not use the new Journal here button? 
>>>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here}} 
>>>>> You can change the title format, default content and tags in Control 
>>>>> Panel > info > Basics
>>>>>
>>>>>- Title of new journal tiddlers
>>>>>- Text for new journal tiddlers
>>>>>- Tags for new journal tiddlers
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Tones
>>>>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 05:19:25 UTC+10 Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for that but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the 
>>>>>> original - I've played around with it but can't get it to work. Could 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> spell it out for me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 16:57:16 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler 
>>>>>>> widget <https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget> is what 
>>>>>>> you're looking for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current 
>>>>>>>> date as the title:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> \define newtags() [[log]]
>>>>>>>> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <$button 
>>>>>>>> class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>>>>>>>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-02 Thread Jon

Actually, not having to navigate to the tiddler would be useful. How do I 
incorporate  the  ActionCreateTiddlerWidget so as to produce the tiddler 
title as today's date and a tag?
I've looked at the docs but can't quite see how to do it.

Regards
Jon



On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 06:58:17 UTC+1 Jon wrote:

> p.s. thanks for the explanation as well
>
> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 06:49:29 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> I just changed  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}  to 
>> {{$:/core/images/new-button}} in my original as you suggested and it worked 
>> - thanks!
>>
>> I think I didn't use the new Journal here button because I was thinking I 
>> already have that for the journal and I wanted to be able to created new 
>> tiddlers with different tags and text
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Jon
>>
>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 01:59:55 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> When you transclude  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} you are acutely 
>>> Transcluding the whole button, change this to {{$:/core/images/new-button}}
>>>
>>>- Basically clicking on the button triggers both  
>>>$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler and  $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>>- This highlights how a button widget acts somewhat like "on click"
>>>- ActionCreateTiddlerWidget can create tiddlers without navigating 
>>>to them (in fact you need to navigate to them) and has more control than 
>>>  
>>> $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>>
>>> However why not use the new Journal here button? 
>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here}} 
>>> You can change the title format, default content and tags in Control 
>>> Panel > info > Basics
>>>
>>>- Title of new journal tiddlers
>>>- Text for new journal tiddlers
>>>- Tags for new journal tiddlers
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 05:19:25 UTC+10 Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris, 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the 
>>>> original - I've played around with it but can't get it to work. Could you 
>>>> spell it out for me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 16:57:16 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler 
>>>>> widget <https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget> is what 
>>>>> you're looking for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current 
>>>>>> date as the title:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> \define newtags() [[log]]
>>>>>> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>>>>>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-01 Thread Jon

p.s. thanks for the explanation as well

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 06:49:29 UTC+1 Jon wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> I just changed  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}  to 
> {{$:/core/images/new-button}} in my original as you suggested and it worked 
> - thanks!
>
> I think I didn't use the new Journal here button because I was thinking I 
> already have that for the journal and I wanted to be able to created new 
> tiddlers with different tags and text
>
> Thanks again
> Jon
>
> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 01:59:55 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Jon
>>
>> When you transclude  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} you are acutely 
>> Transcluding the whole button, change this to {{$:/core/images/new-button}}
>>
>>- Basically clicking on the button triggers both  
>>$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler and  $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>- This highlights how a button widget acts somewhat like "on click"
>>- ActionCreateTiddlerWidget can create tiddlers without navigating to 
>>them (in fact you need to navigate to them) and has more control than  
>> $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>>
>> However why not use the new Journal here button? 
>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here}} 
>> You can change the title format, default content and tags in Control 
>> Panel > info > Basics
>>
>>- Title of new journal tiddlers
>>- Text for new journal tiddlers
>>- Tags for new journal tiddlers
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 05:19:25 UTC+10 Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris, 
>>>
>>> Thanks for that but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the original 
>>> - I've played around with it but can't get it to work. Could you spell it 
>>> out for me?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 16:57:16 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler 
>>>> widget <https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget> is what 
>>>> you're looking for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Chris
>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current 
>>>>> date as the title:
>>>>>
>>>>> \define newtags() [[log]]
>>>>> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>>>>>
>>>>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>>>>
>>>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>>>>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-01 Thread Jon

Hi Tones,

I just changed  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}  to 
{{$:/core/images/new-button}} in my original as you suggested and it worked 
- thanks!

I think I didn't use the new Journal here button because I was thinking I 
already have that for the journal and I wanted to be able to created new 
tiddlers with different tags and text

Thanks again
Jon

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 01:59:55 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Jon
>
> When you transclude  {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} you are acutely 
> Transcluding the whole button, change this to {{$:/core/images/new-button}}
>
>- Basically clicking on the button triggers both  
>$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler and  $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>- This highlights how a button widget acts somewhat like "on click"
>- ActionCreateTiddlerWidget can create tiddlers without navigating to 
>them (in fact you need to navigate to them) and has more control than  
> $message="tm-new-tiddler"
>
> However why not use the new Journal here button? 
> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here}} 
> You can change the title format, default content and tags in Control Panel 
> > info > Basics
>
>- Title of new journal tiddlers
>- Text for new journal tiddlers
>- Tags for new journal tiddlers
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 05:19:25 UTC+10 Jon wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris, 
>>
>> Thanks for that but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the original 
>> - I've played around with it but can't get it to work. Could you spell it 
>> out for me?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 16:57:16 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler 
>>> widget <https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget> is what 
>>> you're looking for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current date 
>>>> as the title:
>>>>
>>>> \define newtags() [[log]]
>>>> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>>>>
>>>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>>>
>>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>>>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-01 Thread Jon

Hi Chris, 

Thanks for that but I'm not sure how to incorporate it into the original - 
I've played around with it but can't get it to work. Could you spell it out 
for me?

Thanks
Jon

On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 16:57:16 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:

>
> Hi Jon, if you don't want the draft, perhaps the action-createtiddler 
> widget <https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionCreateTiddlerWidget> is what you're 
> looking for, rather than the tm-new-tiddler message?
>
> Best,
> Chris
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 11:02:42 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current date 
>> as the title:
>>
>> \define newtags() [[log]]
>> <$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">
>>
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>
>>
>> It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.
>>
>> Any ideas what's wrong with it?
>>
>> Regards
>> Jon
>>
>

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[tw5] New tiddler button - what's wrong with it?

2021-08-01 Thread Jon

Hi,

I have this to create a new tiddler from a button with the current date as 
the title:

\define newtags() [[log]]
<$wikify name="Title" text="""<>""">

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
tags=<> text=<> />
   

It works fine but it also creates an unwanted draft tiddler as well.

Any ideas what's wrong with it?

Regards
Jon

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

2021-06-15 Thread Jon

I agree with Mohammad about the name change at some point . Apart from the 
wiki aspect, I think the diminutive associations of 'tiddly'  (and I know 
this bit has been discussed before)  are also in opposition to the grand 
scale of what TW can do.

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 07:57:21 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM springer  wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>
>
> Hi Springer,
>
> Many thanks for all your efforts!
>
> @all
> WOW, very exciting! I am really happy to see such an active community! I 
> love you TiddlyWiki!
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> @Jeremy Ruston 
> It would be great if you could decide on the name when you move from 5.1 
> to 5.2
> at least I suggest using TW, or TW Platform, or TW framework,  instead of 
> Tiddlywiki! Tiddlywiki is MuCh MoRe ThAn a wiki!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
>> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't 
>> think tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, 
>> and presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've 
>> embedded each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final 
>> entries from the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of 
>> continuity:
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer!
>>>
>>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>>
>>> Minor comments:
>>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>>> dropbox?
>>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
>>> them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>> 3. It is good to have 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
>>> and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: List styles - just some ways to style list output

2021-06-06 Thread Jon

Thanks for this Mat, very useful.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 2 June 2021 at 22:54:41 UTC+1 History Buff wrote:

> I love list tree. I use it in many places in my TWs and I've had no issues 
> with it.
>
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 6:20:11 AM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> List styles <https://liststyles.tiddlyhost.com/> are some pure CSS 
>>> styles to reshape output from the ListWidget or filtered transclusions, i.e 
>>> {{{...}}},  which can otherwise be pretty tricky to control.
>>>
>>
>> Don't forget this: http://listtree.tiddlyspot.com/
>> Changes bullet styles into a tree view!
>>
>> -e
>>
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Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

Hi Mat

"Toolbar > More > Open tiddler in new window"

For me that results in a tiddler in a new window *but* minus the tiddler 
title which I usually want.

I did not pursue it since I had the other option "close all other tiddlers" 
to hand - following path of least resistance !

A quick check on the underlying HTML in the new window suggests that the 
title is absent not merely "CSS-non-displayed" - its simply not there - 
intention? bug? limitation? I don't know. 

Just flagging this difference in behaviour for interested parties. 

Jon





On Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 22:50:51 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> Tip:
>
> Toolbar > More > Open tiddler in new window
> Right click > Print
>
> That said, I wish there was a direct "print this tiddler" button in the 
> tiddler toolbar.
>
> <:-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:20:34 PM UTC+2 da...@bakins-bits.com wrote:
>
>> I also print one or more specific tiddlers this way. 
>>
>> A request:  sounds like you know what you're doing w.r.t. CSS and TW.  
>> Would you mind making your full custom CSS available as an example (for me)?
>>
>> -- David 
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 05:15 Jon Light  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In response to a slight offtopic on the thread "Issue with PrintRiver 
>>> plugin" I thought it was worth mentioning other methods of printing 
>>> Tiddlers.
>>>
>>> I took a fairly simple approach as follows.
>>>
>>>- I simply find the tiddler of interest and use the existing Tool 
>>>item PRINT.
>>>- This prints the whole page which equates to the story river 
>>>- I therefore use the pull down from the Tiddler menu "Close Others" 
>>>now I have only one tiddler in the Story River - then I print - very 
>>> quick 
>>>and fuss free as long as you like the existing defaults on what actually 
>>>gets printed.
>>>
>>> Its an easy sequence. 
>>>
>>> Subsequent "fussy" refinements
>>>
>>> I preferred to print tags with tiddler so my custom CSS contains @media 
>>> statements for printer specific CSS which include making tags in the 
>>> tiddler visible for the print.
>>>
>>> I also like to use CSS floats to place text to one side of the other of 
>>> images, the problem is that page breaks and images are difficult when 
>>> printing. 
>>>
>>> The browser may make the decision to move an image to the next side of 
>>> paper but still allows the floated text that should appear alongside the 
>>> image to appear instead on the previous side - kind of ignoring that the 
>>> image got bumped to the next page. 
>>>
>>> I added extra CSS to my Custom CSS tiddler for this situation 
>>>
>>> @media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
>>> @media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 
>>> 0px solid #ddd; }}
>>>
>>> This means when I preview the print out I can add blockquotes with class 
>>> CLEARP to force a new page for the printed version. - crude but it works 
>>> ok, I only use floats in tiddler articles over which I have lavished a bit 
>>> of Tender Loving Care so I am happy to spend the time preparing the print 
>>> in these cases. 
>>>
>>> I must revisit the PrintRiver Plugin sometime - I parted company with it 
>>> because the problems I experienced with reveal before a kind soul on this 
>>> forum suggested I use the detail tag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Will NoteSelf work with Stroll?

anything else that offers this level of organic customisation.

Recent example: I added a random feature to my Wiki so that at a click of a 
button I could show myself a random 10 tiddlers - I realised that like most 
people I tread familiar paths often and this skews my Wiki and may neglect 
items I curated say six months ago that were simply not linked as well as 
they could have been and are fallling into obscurity - so I added the 
random feature and click on that button once in a while when I want to 
"throw the dice" - very often a tiddler that was falling into obscurity 
through no good reason gets a new life - gets better linked into the 
eco-system and turns out to have some good ideas in it - maybe sometime I 
should look into favouring tiddlers that have fewer links or something - I 
don't know but I love knowing I have the option. 

Good luck !

Jon

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 18:46:27 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> Chrome OR Firefox
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:45:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Jerrold
>>
>> If you want to use Stroll, and use Chrome of Firefox,  I recommend Timimi 
>> as a saving option. The main documentation for saving is here 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and Timimi is one of the options 
>> that gets listed when you select your operating system.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Jerrold Nikolaisen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I am just new to this environment, but in searching for a note solution 
>>> that works with my brain, I came upon Stroll.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>>
>>> Within the download documentation, it talked about saving. Didn't really 
>>> explain it as much as I need (I usually need a lot of explaining).
>>>
>>> So I then came upon this article by Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>>> <https://nesslabs.com/author/annelaure>
>>>
>>> Getting started with TiddlyWiki: a beginner’s tutorial
>>> https://nesslabs.com/tiddlywiki-beginner-tutorial
>>>
>>> It mentions using NoteSelf so I read through that.
>>> https://noteself.org
>>>
>>> Now, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. As of yet I haven't 
>>> downloaded anything.
>>>
>>> So, can I have Stroll but with the saving capability of NoteSelf?
>>>
>>> If yes, how do I do that?
>>>
>>> If no, can someone point me to an article that actually walks a newbie 
>>> through the process of setting up saving?
>>>
>>> I also came across someone who saved to Github. I like this idea as 
>>> well, but don't have a clue how to set it up.
>>>
>>> In advance, thanks.
>>> Jerrold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

Hi David

I should add that I added to my /*comments*/ in places so whilst the above 
CSS was cut and paste from something that does work it is always possible
that I messed up with the additional comments which I added whilst editing 
the post - if something does not work try removing the comments first or 
look for an error in the comments.


On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 10:21:36 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Actually my Custom CSS tiddler is a mess because its in a constant state 
> of experimentation and flux - however I certainly don't mind sharing it 
> with you.
>
> See the following post on a custom CSS tiddler 
> https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/uckGnsam/tw-custom-stylesheet
>
> My basic pattern of use is that I use the blockquote to do just about any 
> customisation to a block, there are other ways to do this...
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Styles%2520and%2520Classes%2520in%2520WikiText.html
>
> ... but I have got used to using my mouse to select the text I want to do 
> some styling on and so I prefer to "customise/over ride/abuse" the 
> blockquote, if you are more
> of a keyboard person you may prefer the method in the link above. I say 
> abuse because my use of blockquote is not  restricted to quotes so perhaps 
> I think of it as "blockstyle" where the default is a quote.
>
> I try and pick short class names I will not forget, the whole point of 
> this is for me is that it is supposed to be quick and easy - I use upper 
> case for class names so they stand out. 
>
> So I use my mouse to select the text ( often a few paragraphs in my case ) 
> and get the following after clicking on the blockquote tool on the tiddler 
> menu.
>
> <<<
> Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image
> <<<
>
> I then add my custom class
>
> <<<.XX
> Here is my paragraph of text or perhaps an image with CSS class XX applied
> <<<
>
> Here is my full Custom CSS as you requested
> 
>
> Do note that it is just thrown together so not intended to be neat or 
> tidy, once I have achieved something that does what I want I tend
> to just go with it, I guess one day I might tidy and clean but I am still 
> working out what I actually want to see so as long as the CSS works I go
> with it. 
>
> Of course some of these choices (colours for instance) reflect choices I 
> made in the Tiddlywiki options menus so they will most likely
> clash or look odd in another TW where different choices were made.  
>
> It works on Firefox which is the browser I always use - you might find 
> some bits don't work on another browser or an older version
> of Firefox - again I coded the CSS for private use so I was never bothered 
> if it worked on Edge or Opera etc. 
>
> ___
>
>  /* the following provides a custom quote-block which is intended for my 
> annotations to someone else's writing - ie 'notes' within quotes */ 
> blockquote.JL { margin-left: 0px; box-shadow: 1px 1px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 
> 0.3); 
> border-radius: 2px; 
> border: 1px solid #ddd; 
> padding-left: 1rem; 
> padding-right: 1rem; 
> margin-bottom: 3rem; 
> color:#777; } 
>
> /* not currently used maybe useful one day  */
> blockquote.JL::before { content: ""; } 
>
> /* for mobile size adjustments */ 
> @media screen and (max-width: 600px) 
> { .tc-tiddler-controls button svg, 
>   .tc-tiddler-controls button img { height: 0.45em !important; width: 
> 0.65em !important; } 
>   .tc-titlebar h2 { font-size: 0.8em !important; line-height: 1.0em 
> !important; } } 
>
> /*changed my mind on this currently not used - on reflection I think I 
> like the border so allow TD defaults to apply */
> /*I have added class Q to all blockquotes that otherwise have no custom 
> class so un-comment this to change default quotes everywhere */
> /*blockquote.Q { margin-left: 0.5rem; border: 0px solid #ddd; margin-left: 
> 0px; color:#555; }*/ 
>
> /* used to centre text */ 
> blockquote.CT { text-align: center; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* used to float left / right an image that is placed in a quote */ 
> blockquote.FL { float: left !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
> blockquote.FR { float: right !important; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* normal float clear is not much use for print outs - page breaks !! */
> blockquote.CLEAR { clear: both; display:block; border: 0px solid #ddd; } 
>
> /* Attempt to gain some control on floats for printing - substitute the 
> usual clear both by page-break-after 'always' */
> @media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
> @media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:b

Re: [tw5] Printing A Tiddler

ese should be combined into one block */ 
@media print {.tc-tags-wrapper {display: block ! important;}} 
@media print {.tc-btn-invisible {display: block ! important;}} 
@media print { details[open] > summary { display: none; }} 

/* custom HR  */
.tc-tiddler-body hr { border: 0; height: 1px; background-image: 
linear-gradient(to right, rgba(0, 0, 0, 0), rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75), rgba(0, 0, 
0, 0)); margin-top:2.0rem; margin-bottom:2.0rem;} 

/* all links the same colour not interested in distinction whether internal 
or external link - just visited for now */ 
a.tc-tiddlylink-external:visited { color: #5778d8 !important; }





On Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 20:20:34 UTC+1 da...@bakins-bits.com wrote:

> I also print one or more specific tiddlers this way. 
>
> A request:  sounds like you know what you're doing w.r.t. CSS and TW.  
> Would you mind making your full custom CSS available as an example (for me)?
>
> -- David 
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 05:15 Jon Light  wrote:
>
>>
>> In response to a slight offtopic on the thread "Issue with PrintRiver 
>> plugin" I thought it was worth mentioning other methods of printing 
>> Tiddlers.
>>
>> I took a fairly simple approach as follows.
>>
>>- I simply find the tiddler of interest and use the existing Tool 
>>item PRINT.
>>- This prints the whole page which equates to the story river 
>>- I therefore use the pull down from the Tiddler menu "Close Others" 
>>now I have only one tiddler in the Story River - then I print - very 
>> quick 
>>and fuss free as long as you like the existing defaults on what actually 
>>gets printed.
>>
>> Its an easy sequence. 
>>
>> Subsequent "fussy" refinements
>>
>> I preferred to print tags with tiddler so my custom CSS contains @media 
>> statements for printer specific CSS which include making tags in the 
>> tiddler visible for the print.
>>
>> I also like to use CSS floats to place text to one side of the other of 
>> images, the problem is that page breaks and images are difficult when 
>> printing. 
>>
>> The browser may make the decision to move an image to the next side of 
>> paper but still allows the floated text that should appear alongside the 
>> image to appear instead on the previous side - kind of ignoring that the 
>> image got bumped to the next page. 
>>
>> I added extra CSS to my Custom CSS tiddler for this situation 
>>
>> @media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } } 
>> @media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 
>> 0px solid #ddd; }}
>>
>> This means when I preview the print out I can add blockquotes with class 
>> CLEARP to force a new page for the printed version. - crude but it works 
>> ok, I only use floats in tiddler articles over which I have lavished a bit 
>> of Tender Loving Care so I am happy to spend the time preparing the print 
>> in these cases. 
>>
>> I must revisit the PrintRiver Plugin sometime - I parted company with it 
>> because the problems I experienced with reveal before a kind soul on this 
>> forum suggested I use the detail tag.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1006b5a2-5d6d-44c8-909c-0a5d8d043e4dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>
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[tw5] Printing A Tiddler

2021-06-01 Thread Jon Light

In response to a slight offtopic on the thread "Issue with PrintRiver
plugin" I thought it was worth mentioning other methods of printing
Tiddlers.

I took a fairly simple approach as follows.

- I simply find the tiddler of interest and use the existing Tool item
PRINT.
- This prints the whole page which equates to the story river
- I therefore use the pull down from the Tiddler menu "Close Others" now
I have only one tiddler in the Story River - then I print - very quick and
fuss free as long as you like the existing defaults on what actually gets
printed.

Its an easy sequence.

Subsequent "fussy" refinements

I preferred to print tags with tiddler so my custom CSS contains @media
statements for printer specific CSS which include making tags in the
tiddler visible for the print.

I also like to use CSS floats to place text to one side of the other of
images, the problem is that page breaks and images are difficult when
printing.

The browser may make the decision to move an image to the next side of
paper but still allows the floated text that should appear alongside the
image to appear instead on the previous side - kind of ignoring that the
image got bumped to the next page.

I added extra CSS to my Custom CSS tiddler for this situation

@media print { blockquote.CLEARP { page-break-after: always; } }
@media screen { blockquote.CLEARP { clear: both; display:block; border: 0px
solid #ddd; }}

This means when I preview the print out I can add blockquotes with class
CLEARP to force a new page for the printed version. - crude but it works
ok, I only use floats in tiddler articles over which I have lavished a bit
of Tender Loving Care so I am happy to spend the time preparing the print
in these cases.

I must revisit the PrintRiver Plugin sometime - I parted company with it
because the problems I experienced with reveal before a kind soul on this
forum suggested I use the detail tag.

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[tw5] Re: Matter: The simplest Personal Todo list I have ever seen

2021-05-30 Thread Jon

Yes, nice - but it appears you can't retrieve a line if you accidentally 
hit the 'cross' button.

Regards
Jon
On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 12:19:14 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> This is *Matter*
>
> https://hihayk.github.io/matter/
>
> I thought of implementing it in Tiddlywiki! but I see it is simpler!
> It uses browser local storage! you can save it to use it offline!
>
>
> It is very small!
>
> The designer is a genius!!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Your main Tags - Your main Tabs

2021-05-30 Thread Jon Light

Hi,

I think your term 'entropy' is a good one here - do things spread out or do 
they condense - for instance as more connections form do they simply create 
more questions?

I think what is best for you will depend a lot on your subject matter - by 
way of example my Tiddlywiki is in an area where different people have 
varied opinions on the same principle areas of interest - so the now I have 
176 tags but they get re-used a lot and I do not have to add new ones very 
often but tiddlers sharing the same tags may represent different views and 
opinions on those tagged subject areas. In contrast if my Tiddlywiki was in 
the area of say Mathematics I would expect less diversity of opinion so 
perhaps one or two tiddlers might suffice for one well defined tag subject 
area. Putting this differently I think my tag count is low, tiddler count 
is medium but 'use count' of tags ( how many times each tag gets used ) is 
very high - so many connections - very much more a web or graph than a 
tree. 

I find a high number of links beneficial because it helps me find 
connections I would not be able to find otherwise - but I think each link 
has to have value, I spend time thinking through connections carefully, its 
organic, I am constantly adding more connections, removing others and 
finding better relationships - sometimes I create what I call a 'hub' 
tiddler which has very little content apart from a single idea or hypthosis 
and then as part of it's content I add links to tiddlers that only make 
sense if that hypothesis is true so I might not want to link the tiddlers 
directly in case the hypothesis is false.

I think the only way to find what works best for you is to start the 
process and exploit the amazing flexibility of Tiddlywiki to adapt to you, 
your subject area and the evolution of your path through it, so far I have 
not felt I had to fight with Tiddlywiki as my use of it evolved - it always 
seemed to be able to adapt to my direction. I don't think my design is 
constant, it is changing as I discover better ways of working and learn 
more - the hours I spend on maintenance are never wasted because always it 
reflects a new understanding and asks me to re-read and consider content 
not just Tiddlywiki.

I would recommend Bidirectional linking ( stroll or tiddlyblink ) unless 
you know it will not be required - I added it to my Tiddlywiki after one 
year - I just hadn't spent much time on the forum and did not know the 
plugin existed, immediately the connections doubled which resulted in a 
whole lot of new thoughts and understandings. 

Some people advise keeping tiddlers atomic so that they do not cover 
multiple topics - this seems sensible advice unless there are strong 
reasons not to do so, I often break the rule but I usually have a good 
reason when I do - for instance an article written by someone else - I 
might prefer to keep it in one tiddler. 

I think it makes sense to consider new tags carefully - sometimes I find 
myself want to split a tag into two different subject areas or join two 
tags into one and that can be time consuming.  

On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 13:13:41 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> While I didn't use TW as a "Personal Knowledge Management" system, at 
> least not specifically, I'd say the general answer to your question is how 
> direct your access to the data needs to be, and put this in relation to how 
> cluttered you want your UI to be.
>
> For example, I would personally not want a lot of sidebar tabs. But then, 
> if there's something I use a lot, then why not. But if there are *many" 
> things that I use a lot then, again, I wouldn't want them as sidebar tabs. 
> But then, if I could make the sidebar tabs more subtle or e.g hide them so 
> they don't clutter, then I might want them there. But that comes at the 
> cost of the direct access, so... etc. The conclusion is that it's a 
> question of finding a balance and this is a subjective preference. I wish 
> there were be some kind of measurement system that counts the number of 
> times you actually use a feature and then proposes that you should make it 
> more or less prominent in the UI but then what does "use a feature mean"? 
> For example, sometimes it's enough that I *see *a title, not open the 
> tiddler. Obviously no (current) way to measure this.
>
> From a more pragmatic perspective I say; make reasonable guesses for your 
> design, and then master TW. Over time, you'll *modify *your system 
> according to your needs. In addition, I find that my needs shift over time, 
> depending on what I focus on. Consequently my TW's shift. All UI's are 
> compromises. All implementations balance cost-benefit. So the secrete is 
> not to find "the perfect setup" but rather to gain the knowledge how to 
> tweak it.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC+2 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> Recently there were some interesting discussions on better utilizing 
>> Tiddlywiki for Personal Knowledge Management

[tw5] Re: Question for long time TiddlyWiki users

2021-05-29 Thread Jon

Hi, 

as you are only asked to enter the password once, I always type the 
password first in a text editor to make sure I've typed it correctly and 
then copy & paste it into the box. Otherwise, if you encrypt the tiddler 
with misspelled password, you won't know what the typo was and there's a 
chance you won't be able to retrieve the file. Could this have happened in 
your case?

Regards
Jon

On Saturday, 29 May 2021 at 01:22:22 UTC+1 Em Heppler wrote:

>
> Using it daily for a few months with no issue. Then something happened a 
> few days ago, not sure what happened, but it suddenly wouldn't accept my 
> password.
>
> Issue found at: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/-50bBlRdcks
>
> Because I'm not sure what caused this, its entirely possible that 
> encryption with TW works perfectly and it was just a matter of something 
> else going on with my installation.
>
> Regardless of how you encrypt, I would highly recommend you come up with 
> regular backup system.
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 5:19:14 PM UTC-4 springer wrote:
>
>> Reet, I never had any problem, even though I regularly used encryption on 
>> pretty large projects hosted at tiddlyspot.
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:09:26 PM UTC-4 Reet Pandher wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried the encryption feature of the tiddlywiki?
>>> If yes then has it been reliable for you? Reliable as in Has it caused 
>>> any sort of corruption or loss of data even when you know your password? 
>>> Does it work properly even when you have large amounts of data stored in 
>>> it? 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Design trick discover classes and CSS in use?

2021-05-25 Thread Jon Light

Hi,

I have used Mozilla developer tools for ages and have been using them to 
write my own custom CSS to over-ride defaults in Tiddlywiki.

As soon as you get to CSS an informative tool needs to reflect the cascade 
otherwise it is not of much use and will probably frustrate users who do 
not 
understand the cascade and doggedly poke away unsure why their custom CSS 
is apparently being ignored - a simple version of a tool that does not
tell the whole story can possibly do more harm than good?

In addition being able to click on a declaration and see where it was 
defined by which CSS file is very useful as is being able to test 
alternative values 
'in browser' with those effects being blown away  as soon as you refresh is 
a great asset. I usually work out my proposed changes by this method before 
changing any real CSS files or tiddlers. 

Unless browser developers expose the API for the code that interprets the 
CSS cascade and is able to display it within  their own developer tools 
then would it be 
necessary to write a CSS processor for this project with the inevitable 
updates and revisions on account of inevitable  discrepancies  with CSS 
standards 
and developments in CSS? 

I assume that the Mozilla team work hard on developer tools - so I am 
guessing a lot of catch up unless large chunks of functionality are 
available open source, even
if catch up is possible then whats to guarantee an easier or more intuitive 
tool? Presumably the Mozilla ( or whatever browser ) developers are 
reasonably proficient at
usability and have done a reasonable job?

I am dubious regards the value of a lesser tool for users who are open to 
the idea of learning more - eventually they may start asking for the 
sophistication of browser
developer tools and those are already available.  

Are talking here only about users who want to experiment with CSS but are 
guaranteed never to want to progress past a certain point? 

I guess you always run this risk when you develop a cut down  or simplified 
version of something that is already 'out there' - what parameters on 
project scope 
are to be put in place to ensure that the final product after much work is 
actually "wheel number 2" - project scope creep ? 

Sorry to sound negative :-) 
On Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 09:44:39 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> TW Tones wrote:
>
>> ... Using the ... plugin Internals allows you to preview the html 
>> generated inside a tiddler ...
>>
>
> Right! 
>
> FYI I often use its as a quick way to copy and paste compliant HTML into 
> online discussions that will take raw HTML.
>
> It makes me think what if we provide some alternate tools to do the same 
>> thing so we can see other elements of the whole page in rendered html as 
>> insight.
>>
>
> One aspect that I'm NOT sure any TW tool could do is show "Shadow DOM"? 
> I.E. stuff that you can see on-screen but is NOT in the HTML render code.
> That includes, for example, things that CSS can insert---and that can be 
> quite a lot (for instance: any CSS auto-numbering) .
>
> It seems to me TiddlyWiki is capable of being its own "Software 
>> development kit"
>>
>
> Well, in many ways it is already that!
>
> ... and it would be useful if we can provision a few more tools ...
>>
>
> Okay. WHAT specifically, some examples, do you find missing you need?
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Todolist Plugin: A wonderful Tiny to-do got new update (1.2.0)

2021-05-23 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mohammad, thankyou

I am now experimenting with the following line in my custom CSS which 
overides the plugin CSS 

/* Set a lower minimum width for the todo list plugin so important controls 
do not go off screen - was 320 px*/ 
.kk-todolist-ui { min-width: 200px !important; }

I wanted to experiment with making sure that the controls were visible for 
most screen widths.

Do you think there is any problem with this kind of customisation? 

So far I have not seen any critical issue with allowing a narrower 
min-width, everything I have tried worked perfectly at this narrower width.


Thanks Jon





On Sunday, 23 May 2021 at 11:09:50 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 2:28 PM Jon Light  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad Ahhh  sorry I did not spot that . Many thanks for the 
>> advice - Jon
>>
>
> You are most welcome! feedback is always welcome and always help me to 
> improve plugins!
> Thank you
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 23 May 2021 at 10:22:27 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jon,
>>>  The plugin itself does not add the sidebar! Instead in the Tutorial it 
>>> explains how to do this in a few steps!
>>>   Please see: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#Sidebar%20Todolist
>>>
>>> For your convenience I have attached a screenshot
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> There are some other tips and tricks in the tutorial!
>>> One is to use a view template to conditional shows a custom todo list on 
>>> selected tiddlers!
>>> For example I use this if a tiddler tagged with [[Graduate Student]]
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 1:00 PM Jon Light  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> I have tried the install method II - quote
>>>>
>>>> *II. Standalone configuration*
>>>>
>>>> *Follow these instructions when using Tiddlywiki as a standalone HTML 
>>>> file:*
>>>>
>>>>1. *Drag and drop $:/plugins/kookma/todolist 
>>>>
>>>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Ftodolist>
>>>>  
>>>>into your wiki*
>>>>2. *Save and reload your wiki*
>>>>
>>>> It seemed to import the plugin ok but the "ToDo" tab did not appear on 
>>>> right hand side tool bar, I am working on the standalone non-server 
>>>> version 
>>>> of Tiddlywiki.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried the standard starter 'empty.html'  Tiddlywiki to make sure 
>>>> that it was not an issue with other plugins but still the ToDo list Tab 
>>>> does not appear, I can install other plugins by drag and drop. 
>>>>
>>>> I am working on Ubuntu / Mozilla Firefox. 
>>>>
>>>> The plugin looks great on the demo site and there it works for me just 
>>>> fine so it seems to be an installation problem.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 09:43:40 UTC+1 Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> arun babu  writes: 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi! 
>>>>>
>>>>> > - Since projectify and ToDoNow use a central dashboard like approach 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> > couldn’t use them. 
>>>>>
>>>>> While Projectify comes with a dashboard, it is actually completely 
>>>>> optional: 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://projectify.wiki/demo.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fnico%2Fprojectify%2Fdoc%2FTranscludingUIElements
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers! 
>>>>> Nico 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Todolist Plugin: A wonderful Tiny to-do got new update (1.2.0)

2021-05-23 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mohammad Ahhh  sorry I did not spot that . Many thanks for the 
advice - Jon



On Sunday, 23 May 2021 at 10:22:27 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>  The plugin itself does not add the sidebar! Instead in the Tutorial it 
> explains how to do this in a few steps!
>   Please see: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#Sidebar%20Todolist
>
> For your convenience I have attached a screenshot
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> There are some other tips and tricks in the tutorial!
> One is to use a view template to conditional shows a custom todo list on 
> selected tiddlers!
> For example I use this if a tiddler tagged with [[Graduate Student]]
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 1:00 PM Jon Light  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> I have tried the install method II - quote
>>
>> *II. Standalone configuration*
>>
>> *Follow these instructions when using Tiddlywiki as a standalone HTML 
>> file:*
>>
>>1. *Drag and drop $:/plugins/kookma/todolist 
>>
>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Ftodolist> 
>>into your wiki*
>>2. *Save and reload your wiki*
>>
>> It seemed to import the plugin ok but the "ToDo" tab did not appear on 
>> right hand side tool bar, I am working on the standalone non-server version 
>> of Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I have tried the standard starter 'empty.html'  Tiddlywiki to make sure 
>> that it was not an issue with other plugins but still the ToDo list Tab 
>> does not appear, I can install other plugins by drag and drop. 
>>
>> I am working on Ubuntu / Mozilla Firefox. 
>>
>> The plugin looks great on the demo site and there it works for me just 
>> fine so it seems to be an installation problem.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 09:43:40 UTC+1 Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>
>>> arun babu  writes: 
>>>
>>> Hi! 
>>>
>>> > - Since projectify and ToDoNow use a central dashboard like approach I 
>>> > couldn’t use them. 
>>>
>>> While Projectify comes with a dashboard, it is actually completely 
>>> optional: 
>>>
>>> https://projectify.wiki/demo.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fnico%2Fprojectify%2Fdoc%2FTranscludingUIElements
>>>  
>>>
>>> Cheers! 
>>> Nico 
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Todolist Plugin: A wonderful Tiny to-do got new update (1.2.0)

2021-05-23 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mohammad,

I have tried the install method II - quote

*II. Standalone configuration*

*Follow these instructions when using Tiddlywiki as a standalone HTML file:*

   1. *Drag and drop $:/plugins/kookma/todolist 
   <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Ftodolist> 
   into your wiki*
   2. *Save and reload your wiki*

It seemed to import the plugin ok but the "ToDo" tab did not appear on 
right hand side tool bar, I am working on the standalone non-server version 
of Tiddlywiki.

I have tried the standard starter 'empty.html'  Tiddlywiki to make sure 
that it was not an issue with other plugins but still the ToDo list Tab 
does not appear, I can install other plugins by drag and drop. 

I am working on Ubuntu / Mozilla Firefox. 

The plugin looks great on the demo site and there it works for me just fine 
so it seems to be an installation problem.

Jon

On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 09:43:40 UTC+1 Nicolas Petton wrote:

> arun babu  writes:
>
> Hi!
>
> > - Since projectify and ToDoNow use a central dashboard like approach I
> > couldn’t use them.
>
> While Projectify comes with a dashboard, it is actually completely
> optional:
>
> https://projectify.wiki/demo.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fnico%2Fprojectify%2Fdoc%2FTranscludingUIElements
>
> Cheers!
> Nico
>

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[tw5] Re: Video - skip to a particular time ?

2021-05-21 Thread Jon Light

Hi TT - thanks I tried your phrase "time-jump" in Google search [ time-jump 
for YouTube & Vimeo Tiddlywiki ] and that delivered 

https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/BfSqAdu9/tw-tw5-vimeo-and-youtube-better-integration

Which I will be trawling though

Thought: Perhaps people who are thinking about this concept might adopt 
your phrase "time-jump for video" so we streamline search activity?



On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 09:41:27 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I wondered if anyone had played around in this area? Videos are playing 
>> an increasingly important role in the transmission of ideas, a tiddler that 
>> can play time coded segments associated with specific text seems like a lot 
>> of fun and use to me.
>>
>
> They have. There at least TWO serious works on time-jump for YouTube & 
> Vimeo done in TW already. 
> As usual I just can't find the links when you need them :-(
>
> Hopefully somebody else will.
> Best wishes
> TT
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[tw5] Re: Video - skip to a particular time ?

2021-05-21 Thread Jon

Hi,

This might not be what you're looking for (and I'm only a basic user etc.) 
but I use links to external YouTube videos a lot in my wiki.

I use Mohammed's Refnotes plugin which shows the source on hover and {{y}} 
is a small transcluded video icon which opens the video in a new tab when 
clicked. The following is contained as a text editor snippet which I can 
repeatedly paste into the tiddler to go with the relevant text.

{{y}} <>

I then copy the video link to play at the current time and paste in the gap 
above:


https://youtu.be/OFstPn355xQ?t=743
">{{y}} <>

Regards
Jon

On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 11:16:10 UTC+1 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi, sometimes in my Tiddlywiki 5 knowledge base I add local videos stored 
> in a directory called wellunimaginatively 'videos' .
>
> As long as I set the tiddler type to text/vnd.tiddlywiki then the 
> following works fine for me on desktop. 
>
> 
>   poster='videos/example.jpg' controls preload='none'>
> 
> Your browser does not support the HTML 5 video tag.
> 
> 
>
> What I would ideally like to do is to write a number of paragraphs each 
> detailing ideas and reflections on what the speaker in the video is saying 
> with the paragraph preceeded by a link button that will skip the playback 
> to that particular point in the video - 'video bookmarks' is a nice way to 
> look at it I think.
>
> I can see how to do this in a regular web-page but that all involves 
> finding the video in the DOM - for instance a very basic version
>
> document.getElementById("myVideo").currentTime = 100;
>
> I wondered if anyone had played around in this area? Videos are playing an 
> increasingly important role in the transmission of ideas, a tiddler that 
> can play time coded segments associated with specific text seems like a lot 
> of fun and use to me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Formatting center alignment and TW philosophy

Thanks David, yes - that is probably easier for a short text. 





On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 17:20:51 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> It is also easily forgotten that @@.cssclass Your text@@ applies the 
> .cssclass too.
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 11:11:50 AM UTC-5 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I know its an old post but..
>>
>> My thought is to take advantage of the quote feature that is already 
>> there - it has provision for adding your own CSS class. 
>>
>> <<<
>> Here is my 
>> text after I selected it and
>> pressed the highlight button ( large start double quote symbol )
>> <<<
>>
>> Then add your own class 'CA' for centre aligned taking care to reset or 
>> nullify the aspects of the default quote that you do not want. 
>>
>> <<<.CA
>> <<< 
>>
>> This is the thing I love about the provision for custom classes for the 
>> quotes feature - as long as you can make up some easy to remember short 
>> class names you can pretty much
>> invent any block level formatting and yet leave the regular functionality 
>> untouched - all for the cost of writing or cribbing the custom CSS once and 
>> then adding a dot and then adding 'dot' class.
>>
>>
>> I think I would have to disagree with complaints about CSS geekery - a 
>> word processor may have some extra features but is not generally as 
>> extendable or flexible as Tiddlywiki, the pay-back for a few trips to this 
>> forum is huge and as others have pointed out unless you use a word 
>> processor which provides enough buttons for every format option, at some 
>> stage you end up in some kind of style sheet or style declaration, almost 
>> everyone wants 'KISS' until they have a unique formatting requirement and 
>> then suddenly find themself wanting more flexibility and rejecting built in 
>> defaults. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 14 November 2008 at 11:07:07 UTC iain wrote:
>>
>>> I can see where you are coming from Cloudburst Poetry, it is 
>>> frustrating that to use TW it seems that you need to know something 
>>> about HTML and CSS (and thanks very much to Eric I now know allot more 
>>> about CSS). 
>>>
>>> But isn't this where the various fully formatted TW's such as "No 
>>> Brainer Notes" and "Fiddly Wiki" come into play? I could use some of 
>>> these immediately without any knowledge of HTML or CSS. 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Formatting center alignment and TW philosophy

I know its an old post but..

My thought is to take advantage of the quote feature that is already there 
- it has provision for adding your own CSS class. 

<<<
Here is my 
text after I selected it and
pressed the highlight button ( large start double quote symbol )
<<<

Then add your own class 'CA' for centre aligned taking care to reset or 
nullify the aspects of the default quote that you do not want. 

<<<.CA
<<< 

This is the thing I love about the provision for custom classes for the 
quotes feature - as long as you can make up some easy to remember short 
class names you can pretty much
invent any block level formatting and yet leave the regular functionality 
untouched - all for the cost of writing or cribbing the custom CSS once and 
then adding a dot and then adding 'dot' class.

I think I would have to disagree with complaints about CSS geekery - a word 
processor may have some extra features but is not generally as extendable 
or flexible as Tiddlywiki, the pay-back for a few trips to this forum is 
huge and as others have pointed out unless you use a word processor which 
provides enough buttons for every format option, at some stage you end up 
in some kind of style sheet or style declaration, almost everyone wants 
'KISS' until they have a unique formatting requirement and then suddenly 
find themself wanting more flexibility and rejecting built in defaults. 

On Friday, 14 November 2008 at 11:07:07 UTC iain wrote:

> I can see where you are coming from Cloudburst Poetry, it is
> frustrating that to use TW it seems that you need to know something
> about HTML and CSS (and thanks very much to Eric I now know allot more
> about CSS).
>
> But isn't this where the various fully formatted TW's such as "No
> Brainer Notes" and "Fiddly Wiki" come into play? I could use some of
> these immediately without any knowledge of HTML or CSS.
>

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[tw5] Video - skip to a particular time ?


Hi, sometimes in my Tiddlywiki 5 knowledge base I add local videos stored 
in a directory called wellunimaginatively 'videos' .

As long as I set the tiddler type to text/vnd.tiddlywiki then the following 
works fine for me on desktop. 




Your browser does not support the HTML 5 video tag.



What I would ideally like to do is to write a number of paragraphs each 
detailing ideas and reflections on what the speaker in the video is saying 
with the paragraph preceeded by a link button that will skip the playback 
to that particular point in the video - 'video bookmarks' is a nice way to 
look at it I think.

I can see how to do this in a regular web-page but that all involves 
finding the video in the DOM - for instance a very basic version

document.getElementById("myVideo").currentTime = 100;

I wondered if anyone had played around in this area? Videos are playing an 
increasingly important role in the transmission of ideas, a tiddler that 
can play time coded segments associated with specific text seems like a lot 
of fun and use to me.







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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

"I never looked back abandoning Windows and I think the same for 
Tiddlywiki"  - hmm that didn't sound right ! Perhaps I should have written 
"I never looked back migrating to Ubuntu and I think the same for 
Tiddlywiki" :-)

On Thursday, 20 May 2021 at 08:57:29 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Yes, the more you put into it the better it gets, it is like a workshop 
> where you can customise your tools according to the job and there is a 
> community to share and discuss the tools they have created. I type this on 
> a "Unix-like" system because after many years working on Windows I realised 
> it's limitations which lie deep within it's design philosophy - I never 
> looked back abandoning Windows and I think the same for Tiddlywiki - *I* 
> am the only limitation which is the way it is supposed to be.
>
> On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 09:05:11 UTC+1 bimlas wrote:
>
>> TiddlyWiki is the second most flexible format / tool after plain text, 
>> it’s like a self-contained Unix-like system.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

Yes, the more you put into it the better it gets, it is like a workshop 
where you can customise your tools according to the job and there is a 
community to share and discuss the tools they have created. I type this on 
a "Unix-like" system because after many years working on Windows I realised 
it's limitations which lie deep within it's design philosophy - I never 
looked back abandoning Windows and I think the same for Tiddlywiki - *I* am 
the only limitation which is the way it is supposed to be.

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 09:05:11 UTC+1 bimlas wrote:

> TiddlyWiki is the second most flexible format / tool after plain text, 
> it’s like a self-contained Unix-like system.

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[tw5] Re: More Button ( using reveal ) need to make sticky when printing

2021-05-18 Thread Jon Light

After playing around with both the Details plugin 
<http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget> and my old implementation of a 
'more button' using reveal I noted the following

All comments relate to whether* 'soft paragraphs' *appear as intended - by 
this I mean paragraphs implemented only by use of carriage return in the 
standard Tiddlywiki editor and not by means of use of  which I 
regard as a pain to add manually - for instance if I cut and paste a page 
from a word processor. 

   1. The details plugin seems to be *sensitive to whether the first line 
   after the  tag is just an empty line ( carriage return only ) *- 
   if the first line contains text then subsequent 'soft paragraphs' are not 
   honoured and the text appears as one continuous 'string' - ie no 
   paragraphs.  I tried other types of text formatting and found that the same 
   thing occurred when using the quotes formatting  ( <<<  text <<< ).
   2. I wanted to use the summary feature *which only seems to work 
   properly if the  tag* *does appear on the first line 
   after the opening  tag* - *this seemed to be a barrier given 
   the point made in 1*.
   3. I then found in  http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget that the 
   summary can appear as an attribute of the  tag ie <$details 
   summary="more">
   4. Everything then worked ok, I could leave a blank line ( carriage 
   return ) immediately after the opening  tag and still have a 
   custom summary using the attribute declaration instead.

I wondered if any aspects of the above were Firefox specific but then found 
the same thing happening on Chrome.

*I then went back to my old implementation of a 'more' button using reveal 
and found that actually the same limitations* regards first line appear 
there also, in fact I have long been used to adding additional carriage 
returns to text to ensure that soft paragraphs appear in the reveal, it has 
become an automatic 'non-thinking' thing, I just type or cut and paste my 
text, save, test and then add additional carriage returns where needed. 

The new observation is that the reveal method is also very sensitive to 
this first line condition - I noted for the first time that if the first 
line is not empty ( a carriage return ) then no matter how much I tried to 
break the text into soft paragraphs further into the text the whole thing 
remained one stuborn continuous bit of text with no paragraphs. The reason 
I had not noticed until now is simply that I had always added an empty line 
( carriage return ) at the start of my existing use of the reveal method.

So I am good and ready to carry on with the details plugin :-) but I 
thought it worth mentioning to others about this first line sensitivity in 
either implementation. 

In short it seems if you want either implementation of more and want 'soft 
paragraphs' then 

   - Leave the first line after the opening tag ( reveal or details ) blank 
   ( carriage return only )

   - If you want to use the summary feature of the details implementation 
   then use the attribute method

I think it is important to flag this for general awareness, it is not safe 
to assume that reveal or 'more' sections will be one paragraph and I cannot 
be the only one who would find adding  instead of the more 
convenient carriage return an imposition. 

Jon

On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 09:21:39 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> @Tones
>
> Thanks! I was not aware of the details widget, looking at 
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget is seems to be exactly what I 
> need.
>
> I don't mind running with the existing 'more' sections with new 'details' 
> sections - when I want to print a tiddler I will do the manual conversion 
> from reveal to details first.
>
> Thanks a lot for that one, I try for paperless but sometimes...
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 02:05:24 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> A Quick possible solution.
>>
>> Rather than use reveal use a list widget to conditionally display your 
>> content, you can then use a more sophisticated filter to determine the 
>> state. so any local tiddler reveal setting can be overridden by another 
>> setting like $:/config/open-all-sliders yes/no, or even give each slider 
>> (you want to) a print mode setting ie in print mode show the following 
>> content regardless of the local state, then set a $:/config/print-mode = yes
>>
>> Another form of more is the html details element but to retain the 
>> open/closed with a toggle look for the details plugin that gives a $details 
>> widget.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 21:53:14 UTC+10 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>>
>>> I have been using reveal for a 'more' button for tiddlers with a lot of 
>>> content to limit the vert

[tw5] Re: More Button ( using reveal ) need to make sticky when printing

2021-05-18 Thread Jon Light

@Tones

Thanks! I was not aware of the details widget, looking at 
http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget is seems to be exactly what I 
need.

I don't mind running with the existing 'more' sections with new 'details' 
sections - when I want to print a tiddler I will do the manual conversion 
from reveal to details first.

Thanks a lot for that one, I try for paperless but sometimes...

Jon


On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 02:05:24 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> A Quick possible solution.
>
> Rather than use reveal use a list widget to conditionally display your 
> content, you can then use a more sophisticated filter to determine the 
> state. so any local tiddler reveal setting can be overridden by another 
> setting like $:/config/open-all-sliders yes/no, or even give each slider 
> (you want to) a print mode setting ie in print mode show the following 
> content regardless of the local state, then set a $:/config/print-mode = yes
>
> Another form of more is the html details element but to retain the 
> open/closed with a toggle look for the details plugin that gives a $details 
> widget.
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 21:53:14 UTC+10 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> I have been using reveal for a 'more' button for tiddlers with a lot of 
>> content to limit the vertical screen space they take.
>>
>> <$button class="" popup=<>>
>> @@color:purple;
>> more...
>> @@
>> 
>>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="">
>>
>> text to reveal
>>
>> 
>>
>> It works just fine, I have it set up as a custom stamp so I can just 
>> select the section I want to hide and its done in a click or two.
>>
>> The only issue I have is when I try and use this with code designed to 
>> print a tiddler eg.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/SYGksSEeNTA
>>
>> The problem is that if I click anywhere in a tiddler that has an open 
>> reveal (as above) then the reveal closes and of course it is necessary to 
>> click on a print icon in the tiddler to get a print-out - so my attempt to 
>> print closes the reveal and my print out shows it closed.
>>
>> The ideal situation would be to prevent clicks on the tiddler tool bars 
>> from closing the reveal, I find it very useful to click on the tiddler to 
>> close the reveal so it would be cool to maintain the current behaviour 
>> except when the click is on a tool icon but the general solution might be 
>> to only close when the click is on the more button that opened it in the 
>> first place.
>>
>> Another solution might be to have a sidebar option to toggle the behaviour
>>
>>- Click anywhere in tiddler to close
>>- Click on the more button to close
>>
>> This might be the best option of all because I have similar difficulties 
>> when I want to copy text from within a reveal section ( attempt to select 
>> text closes reveal ) currently I have go into edit more on the tiddler 
>> containing the reveal which contains the text I want to copy.
>>
>> I have tried using class 'tc-popup-keep' on the reveal but no experiments 
>> so far have resulted in a reveal that stays open when I click anywhere in 
>> the tiddler so I have yet to get past first base on this one. 
>>
>> thanks for any suggestions - Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: List of tiddlers modified between dates

2021-05-17 Thread Jon

Hi Mario,

it would have been something I picked up from the site and incorporated - 
thanks for the solution & correction.

Regards
Jon

On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 12:14:19 UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Right, that is the deprecated regular express syntax that really should 
> not be used.
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:23 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi Jon,
>> Where did you find this filter syntax?
>> -m
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: First edition of Grok TiddlyWiki (TW textbook) is live

2021-05-17 Thread Jon

Fabulous work which I'm sure I'll learn a lot from.

Thanks!
Jon

On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 15:43:44 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I'm excited to announce that the first public edition of my TiddlyWiki 
> textbook, *Grok TiddlyWiki*, is live at https://groktiddlywiki.com/read. 
> *Grok 
> TiddlyWiki* is (from the book) “a textbook that helps you build a deep, 
> lasting understanding of and proficiency with TiddlyWiki through a 
> combination of detailed explanations, practical exercises, 
> and spaced-repetition reviews of prompts called *takeaways*.”
>
> I am hoping this book will fill in many of the gaps in TiddlyWiki's 
> documentation / learning ecosystem – right now we have lots of beginner 
> tutorials, and mostly good documentation for experts (with a few gaps), but 
> almost nothing for people in between. GTW is what I wished I had when I was 
> in that position: complete lessons on the features and idioms of TiddlyWiki 
> needed to bring someone from beginner to expert.
>
> The book is free to read and CC BY-NC-ND licensed (you can redistribute it 
> for noncommercial purposes). I am accepting donations 
> <https://groktiddlywiki.com/donate/> to support my continued work on GTW 
> and other TiddlyWiki learning resources. I would also appreciate your help 
> spreading the word about the book, e.g., on TW links sites, notes-related 
> resources, or social media.
>
> A huge thanks to everyone from this community who provided feedback on the 
> prerelease (see the acknowledgments section for details). Barring me 
> getting run over by a bus, there will be updated editions in the future, so 
> please keep the feedback and suggestions coming.

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[tw5] List of tiddlers modified between dates

2021-05-17 Thread Jon

Hi,

I've got this to list tiddlers modified on this date:

<$list filter="[field:modified/^20210517/!is[system]]">

What do I need to give a list between two dates?

Thanks
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers Created when colour of tag changed

2021-05-15 Thread Jon Light

Update: Solved.

My problem was unwanted tiddlers on the story river of the following nature

   1. Tiddlers created when I change the colour of a tag
   2. Tiddlers created when I import an image

In the case of number 2. I wanted to use the image within other tiddlers 
just like illustrations in a book but I did not want to see the actual 
image tiddler in the story river.

I have been getting better with writing filters but came to the conclusion 
that it would be too complicated to express what I considered 'by product' 
tiddlers and someone else would
have a different opinion as it is subjective.

In the end I chose a pragmmatic approach - I have a new tag 'z hidden' - 
the prefix 'z' simply assures it will appear at the end of alphabetically 
ordered tag lists.

When a tiddler is created as a 'by product' (subjective view) I simply tag 
it 'z hidden' and my modified story river filters are instructed not to 
show it, now my story river shows only tiddlers I consider to be 'main 
content'.





On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 12:30:18 UTC Jon Light wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> Many thanks - I have not yet succeeded but your example showed me where to 
> start looking so at least now I have an idea where I need to play around.  
> I have started with except: which may simplify.
>
> On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 22:36:30 UTC Mat wrote:
>
>> So you want to not display the tiddlers in the river that are themselves 
>> a tag, which has a different color than default (i.e they have a color 
>> field), right? So, assuming you can modify the filters you use, then you 
>> can try to add this filter to the end of it
>>
>> :and[!is[tag]] :and[!has[color]]
>>
>> I never used :and before and I obviously didn't test this filter, but 
>> it's an idea... let's see what happens.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:32:58 PM UTC+1 jonligh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mat - confusing? Yes sorry I am don't have a clear overview. 
>>>
>>> >>Are you saying you only want to see tiddlers in the story river that 
>>> are of a certain kind? What about, say, the Controlpanel or other system 
>>> tids?
>>> I take your point - sorry for my unclear explanation, its not laziness 
>>> but more a fairly patchy knowledge 
>>>
>>> A while ago someone on this forum kindly provided me with a sidebar tab 
>>> widget  - a tiddler with tag $:/tags/SideBar which I use to filter the 
>>> river story.
>>>
>>> I get two  buttons, both filter out system tiddlers. 
>>>
>>> the first shows all tiddlers apart from system
>>> the second button only shows journal tiddlers
>>> beneath these I get a list of all of my tags which I can filter the 
>>> story river with. 
>>>
>>> All working as desired apart except that I would like to filter out 
>>> tiddlers that are created when I change the colour of an existing tag ( I 
>>> am going to drop the question regards image import I think that might be a 
>>> misconception on my part ).
>>>
>>> The code within the tiddler is as follows. 
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> <$vars limit={{{ 
>>> [[$:/state/limit]is[tiddler]then{$:/state/limit}else[10]] }}}>
>>>
>>> <$range tiddler="$:/state/limit" min="10" max="100" default="10" 
>>> increment="5"/>
>>> limit: <$text text=<>/> tiddlers
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="All tiddlers" element-tag="$button" 
>>> actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
>>> filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]limit]'><$text text='[['/><$text 
>>> text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] '/>"><$action-setfield 
>>> $tiddler="$:/StoryList" list=<>/>"""/>
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="Journal" element-tag="$button" 
>>> actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
>>> filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]tag[Journal]limit]'><$text 
>>> text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
>>> '/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
>>> list=<>/>"""/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tags[]sort[title]] -Journal" variable="tagItem">
>>

[tw5] Re: [discussion] Tiddlywiki as a learning tool ( not just a knowledge base)

2021-05-14 Thread Jon Light

Thanks Mario, 

One observation I meant to add was that my current Tiddlywiki has ~200 
subject tags, six months ago there were perhaps ~100 subject tags ( that's 
a guess ).

I found that old tiddlers that had settled to the bottom of the stream and 
were rarely 'caught' were not tagged as well as they could be simply 
because lots of tags did not exist when they were written and I suppose 
their were fewer tiddlers to link to.  

Going with the fishing in the 'stream' analogy ...

I am finding that part of the benefit of the random option is that these 
tiddlers are now appearing now and then at the surface of the stream and 
this is a a great opportunity to add newer tags that did not exist when 
they were written, if they 'deserve' it then they get more links and tags 
and 'come back to life' by being better connected. 

I guess tiddlers that are not so useful just sink down to the bottom again 
until next time they are 'lucky' enough to be picked in the random list and 
so there is perhaps a Darwinian principle at work with ideas,  I like that 
! Of course something that is just plain rubbish can be deleted but there 
are always inbetween cases and some tiddlers become more useful as 
understanding changes and improves, I like this concept of recycling from 
the bottom of the stream with a built-in tendency for good ideas to get 
promoted and that it changes and adapts over time.

On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 15:24:53 UTC+1 PMario wrote:

> Hi Jon,
> Very interesting report. Especially the "random" list is a cool element. 
> .. A little bit of "shaking up" may be helpful from time to time. 
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] [discussion] Tiddlywiki as a learning tool ( not just a knowledge base)

2021-05-14 Thread Jon Light

Opinions / Share Experiences

In the last few months Tiddlywiki has really taken off for me, I have
learnt a little more on how to customise and also added plugins, my
Tiddlywiki is now a year old and approaching 20MB. It is a knowledge base
in an area that is not a completely hard science so it involves different
opinions from different sources and lots of comparison of those sources.

I am no longer thinking of Tiddlywiki as knowledge base but a learning tool
because it allows me to find connections that my poor old organic memory
just wouldn't be able find, after all learning is about connections between
nuggets of information.

These are the two biggest factors that have turbo-charged my Tiddlywiki

1. Adding the bi-directional linking of BLINK opened up new doors -
unexpectedly quickly, I spent hours creating new paths and new tags simply
when I turned this plugin on - instantly more connections and more thoughts
and observations.
2. I added sidebar tools to filter my story river not just on 'date
since created' as it was before but now optionally 'date since last
modified' and also random[30]. I found the random filter amazing because it
shows how we like to walk down well trodden paths. I found that throwing a
random element in to use when I have nothing else better to do than examine
my own notes of say12 months ago on certain topic really opened - this
disrupts the pattern that since created/modified filters otherwise impose,
ie the stuff that gets most attention continues to get most attention.
Adding 'since modified' helped to shake things up, at least old forgotten
tiddlers of merit once remembered could float near the surface again but
random is a disrupter in this context and really shakes it up.

I am interested if others have experiences to share?
Also a massive thanks to Jerome for the gift that just keeps on giving
Jon

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[tw5] More Button ( using reveal ) need to make sticky when printing

2021-05-14 Thread Jon Light

Hi, 

I have been using reveal for a 'more' button for tiddlers with a lot of 
content to limit the vertical screen space they take.

<$button class="" popup=<>>
@@color:purple;
more...
@@


<$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="">

text to reveal



It works just fine, I have it set up as a custom stamp so I can just select 
the section I want to hide and its done in a click or two.

The only issue I have is when I try and use this with code designed to 
print a tiddler eg.

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/SYGksSEeNTA

The problem is that if I click anywhere in a tiddler that has an open 
reveal (as above) then the reveal closes and of course it is necessary to 
click on a print icon in the tiddler to get a print-out - so my attempt to 
print closes the reveal and my print out shows it closed.

The ideal situation would be to prevent clicks on the tiddler tool bars 
from closing the reveal, I find it very useful to click on the tiddler to 
close the reveal so it would be cool to maintain the current behaviour 
except when the click is on a tool icon but the general solution might be 
to only close when the click is on the more button that opened it in the 
first place.

Another solution might be to have a sidebar option to toggle the behaviour

   - Click anywhere in tiddler to close
   - Click on the more button to close

This might be the best option of all because I have similar difficulties 
when I want to copy text from within a reveal section ( attempt to select 
text closes reveal ) currently I have go into edit more on the tiddler 
containing the reveal which contains the text I want to copy.

I have tried using class 'tc-popup-keep' on the reveal but no experiments 
so far have resulted in a reveal that stays open when I click anywhere in 
the tiddler so I have yet to get past first base on this one. 

thanks for any suggestions - Jon






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Re: [tw5] Is blockchain still not for TW?

2021-05-10 Thread Jon

Just in case this is of interest - seems to be quite cutting edge 
https://qortal.org/

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 21:08:25 UTC+1 hww...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the reply.  It will ceratinly help me to think of these as 
> distinct technologies, at  least until I get a bit more "han(d)s-on" 
> experience :-)
>
>
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:35:24 PM UTC-4 inmy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A distributed ledger and a blockchain are distinct technologies. You can 
>> use a blockchain to build a verifiable distributed ledger (verifiable in 
>> the sense of being able to detect tampering after data has been entered, 
>> there aren't any checks on the validity of the source data), but it is far 
>> from the only way to do so. Distributed hash tables have been very 
>> successful as distributed data stores that are far more scalable than 
>> bitcoin in the long term, in a large part because it doesn't have the 
>> continuously growing record of all previous actions, and it doesn't have 
>> the huge security and privacy issues that a blockchain has.
>>
>> So distributed ledgers are very interesting, but while blockchains can be 
>> used as distributed ledgers they are not the same thing.
>>
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 4:09:25 PM UTC+2 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I remain interested in Distributed Ledger Technology much more than I am 
>>> interested in BitCoin and its other financial derivatives, that even 
>>> Central Banks are considering as Cash replacements.  ( And I am not at all 
>>> interested in NFTs since the Name says it all ... "Non Fungible" ... )
>>>
>>> One thing I really appreciate about this communitiy is the technological 
>>> creativity that emerges here.  In part, I think it results from the fact 
>>> that community membership is quite diverse, bring a lot of different 
>>> experience and insight to bear.
>>>
>>> As more and more DLT systems emerge, it becomes appealing to me to be 
>>> able to use partial segments from multiple systems as an effective 
>>> combination lock.  For example, a combination of:
>>>
>>>- The first 4 digits of the latitue and longiture of (as reported by 
>>>my cell phone) 
>>>- The last 4 digits of an active Credit Card (verifiable against 
>>>Credit Bureau data, together with full Address)
>>>- A reference to a recognized Social Media site (preferably with a 
>>>Pictire and peer reviewed) e.g. linkedIn or Flickr
>>>- The last 4 digits of my Passport number
>>>- ...
>>>
>>> Depending need, I can select various combinations that even include a 
>>> startTime and validity Duraction.
>>>  
>>> With a bit of proper encoding into a Unicode hash, it becomes possible 
>>> to even make such a key remarkably short since there are about 2.2 million 
>>> useful Unicode points have been defined, ensuring that (2e6)e4 gives more 
>>> than enough room!
>>>
>>> The appeal is that I can create distinct Tokens that meet my Security 
>>> and Privacy needs, but that others can verify from reliable sources of 
>>> public Definitive Data.
>>>
>>> Comments will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 5:14:52 AM UTC-4 inmy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 or perhaps I am being too hard on the idea. Instead if you all want I 
 can add blockchain to tiddlywiki and sell NFTs pointing to wikis that I 
 made, like the original twederation wiki or the interaction fiction wiki.

 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 10:54:03 AM UTC+2 Jed Carty wrote:

> Yes, the central question is could blockchain be useful to tiddlywiki. 
> And so far the only answer has been to use it as a proof of existence by 
> storing what is in one blockchain (file hashes in git) in a different 
> from 
> in another block chain.
>
> Also, traceability in a blockchain is guaranteed only for events that 
> happen on the blockchain, not for what the blockchain is supposed to 
> represent. It is always open to any sort of manipulation at the human 
> interface side. I could start a car tracing block chain, and I could add 
> 1 cars to it saying that I own them. That has no bearing on the real 
> world without some mediating central authority, and with a mediating 
> central authority the blockchain is redundant.
>
> People keep saying 'I am not familiar with the technology' and then 
> arguing against someone who has studied the theory and technology that 
> goes 
> into blockchains in academic, hobby and professional capacities. The 
> blind 
> faith in the unchangeable nature of a blockchain is a huge security risk 
> to 
> anything that uses it. It is worth repeating over and over: all the 
> guarantees are just for the numbers stored on the computer, there are 
> absolutely no guarantees about what those numbers represent. All the 
> traceability claims completely fail when it gets to the data entry into 
> the 
> blockchain.

[tw5] Re: Get backlinks from fields

2021-04-23 Thread Jon Dyer

This is so helpful, thanks very much! Currently experimenting with your 
recommendation in that thread, something like:

<$list 
filter="[relink:references!is[system]!title[$:/StoryList]sort[title]]"/>

Unfortunately it isn't giving me what I expected (maybe  
isn't set correctly). But I'm sure I'll figure it out soon! 
On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 11:21:24 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Continued/elaborated/expanded in a separate thread:  Just a neat use of 
> Relinks "References" feature 
> 
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 2:02:53 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> When the relink plugin is installed, that adds a "Relink References" tab 
>> to a tiddlers "information".
>>
>> That shows "The following tiddlers contain fields, links, macros, 
>> transclusions, or widgets referencing this one."
>>
>> Relink might provide a way for you to get what you're looking for.
>>
>> Give it a spin.
>>
>> Install the relink plugin, then add the following line in the text of 
>> Tiddler B:
>>
>> {{||$:/plugins/flibbles/relink/ui/TiddlerInfo/References}}
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:50:07 AM UTC-3 jonb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Tiddler A links to Tiddler B, but only in a custom field, not in the 
>>> main text body. I have backlinks showing on every tiddler, a la Stroll, but 
>>> the backlink[] operator does not pick up on links in fields, apparently. 
>>> Any ideas about how to go about making those appear? Am I going to have to 
>>> mess with the core JavaScript that indexes backlinks? Would prefer not to...
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Get backlinks from fields

2021-04-23 Thread Jon Dyer

Tiddler A links to Tiddler B, but only in a custom field, not in the main 
text body. I have backlinks showing on every tiddler, a la Stroll, but the 
backlink[] operator does not pick up on links in fields, apparently. Any 
ideas about how to go about making those appear? Am I going to have to mess 
with the core JavaScript that indexes backlinks? Would prefer not to...

Thanks in advance!

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: The TiddlyGoo project - integrate your wiki with the web

2021-04-04 Thread Jon

Thanks for the info Mat and they work nicely.

Best wishes
Jon


On Sunday, 4 April 2021 at 17:15:48 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible to adapt things so that the sharing link from Google 
>> Photos works, as well as the link from Google Drive? (forgive my ignorance 
>> if that's impossible).
>>
>
> I did some primitive attempts but Google Photos seems to use a different 
> structure than Drive. I found this site 
> <https://www.publicalbum.org/blog/embedding-google-photos-albums> and this 
> <https://www.labnol.org/embed/google/photos/> that seem to have solved 
> how to share google photo albums but they don't really share their code for 
> how it's done. So, I'm not sure how to proceed with Google Photos 
> specifically.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: The TiddlyGoo project - integrate your wiki with the web

2021-04-03 Thread Jon

Hi Mat,

this looks really good and I've played around with the Pic Macro.

Am I right in thinking Google Photos are not synced to Google Drive anymore 
(that's the message I get anyway)?

Would it be possible to adapt things so that the sharing link from Google 
Photos works, as well as the link from Google Drive? (forgive my ignorance 
if that's impossible).

Regards
Jon

On Friday, 2 April 2021 at 16:05:55 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> I agree with Mohammad. I can intuitively sense that this is exciting and 
> powerful, but I can't yet visualize what it could do for me. Show us how it 
> works with a couple Google apps and a couple of items from "the rest of the 
> web". Then prepare to be arrested for causing all of our heads to explode.
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 12:29:59 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>
>> I proudly present the...
>>
>> TiddlyGoo project <https://tiddlygoo.tiddlyhost.com/>
>>
>> The project is an expanding set of tools for integrating your wiki with 
>> the web - do participate with more ideas!
>>
>> [image: illustration_small.png]
>>
>> Fellow *tiddleur* *@Mark S* and I recently presented 
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/iqS_xINysUA/m/VAJtnRg2AwAJ> the 
>> SheetsIN plugin which is one of the linchpins enabling me to hereby present:
>>
>> *The DriveTree plugin*
>> Map your Google Drive as a tree structure in TiddlyWiki. (Finally use TW 
>> as a document manager!)
>>
>> *The Pic macro*
>> Very easily use Drive stored images in tiddlers to create complex 
>> text+image tiddlers. 
>>
>> ...and there is a *lot more* on the TiddlyGoo project page.
>>
>> Note! Help is needed to create a SheetsOUT 
>> <https://tiddlygoo.tiddlyhost.com/#SheetsOUT>plugin, i.e some way to 
>> export tiddler content to Google Sheets. If you have ideas for this, please 
>> shout out. This would open up for... a lot.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion ideas

2021-03-28 Thread Jon

I've no idea what the Ian Dury reference is about but that is such an 
emotive song.

On Sunday, 28 March 2021 at 17:08:45 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> David,
>
> Transclusion is as transclusion does.
>
> https://youtu.be/ooPVuG8ZbNE
>
>- 3. A bar when hovering over a transcluded tiddler to allow one to 
>open or edit the tiddler that is transcluded
>
> Not a bad idea.
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SheetsIN - Import from Google Sheets into TW

2021-03-10 Thread Jon

The glass is definitely half full!
Many thanks for this.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 10 March 2021 at 09:17:21 UTC Mat wrote:

> There is (1) Good news (2) HUGE news and (3) Bad news!
>
> The good news is: Mark and I have made a TW plugin to import from Google 
> Sheets. *Every row becomes a tiddler*!
>
> The HUGE news is that this is the *linchpin*, the *kingpin*, *the **Rosetta 
> Stone*, to turn pretty much anything into tiddlers because Google Sheets 
> can be made to import data from *other *services such as your Google 
> Drive, your Gmail, Twitter, Facebook, your GCalendar, stock charts and 
> hundreds (thousands?) of more services 
> <https://zapier.com/apps/google-sheets/integrations>. Whatever you want 
> as tiddlers, you can get it. OK, almost.
>
> The bad news is: The SheetsIN plugin is only HALF of the solution! We need 
> a SheetsOUT plugin to get tiddlers *into* Google Sheets. If this were 
> possible, Google Sheets can then be used as a full backend for TW... *and 
> *tiddlers can be sent as email, tweets, calendar events, etc etc. 
>
> So, if you have knowledge about how to "export to Google Sheets" do please 
> shout out.
>
> Thus, *Mark S *and I proudly give thee the first half of the *TiddlyGoo 
> suite* ;-)
>
>- Demo and download site <https://marxsal.github.io/TiddlyGoo/>
>- Github repository for dev <https://github.com/Marxsal/TiddlyGoo> 
>
> We also hope people will share their Google scripts 
> <https://developers.google.com/apps-script> (!) that connect Google 
> Sheets with other services. This is only indirectly a TW matter but will 
> benefit us all. I will soon share a script that imports file data from 
> Drive to Sheets so you easily show images stored on Drive in TW.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

2021-03-09 Thread Jon

Hi Eric,

Whilst I can enter an alarm that repeats every day 
at http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html, it doesn't work in my wiki - I can 
set alarms once but the daily alarm doesn't retain the time for some 
reason. Any ideas?

Also, are alarms which have expired whilst the computer has been turned off 
supposed to trigger when switched back on as I can't reproduce that?

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 08:15:15 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Thanks for doing that test. I will abandon the hta for this timer need. It 
> was going to be my main implementation because it opens on boot of my 
> computer. But the HTA depends on the IE hta component which I believe is 
> deprecated.
>
> Although if this is the only but it can do more,
>
> Regards
> Tony
>  
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 2:03:45 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 8:05:06 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An observation fyi but no expectation of remedy, my windows HTA version 
>>>> the clock in the sidebar does not tick.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK... I did a little testing myself.  Here's what I did:
>>
>> 1) Open timer.html in my usual browser, Chrome
>> 2) Open empty.html from TiddlyWiki.com in a separate Chrome tab
>> 3) Use drag-and-drop to import the following tiddlers into empty.html 
>> from timer.html
>> TiddlyTools/Timer/Ticker
>> TiddlyTools/Timer/action-timeout.js
>> TiddlyTools/Timer/Clocks
>> TiddlyTools/Timer/SidebarClocks
>> 4) Save empty.html to a local file (default download saver)
>> 5) From local filesystem, rename empty.html to empty.hta
>> 6) Double click empty.hta to start it
>>
>> What happens:
>> * The HTA opens as a stand-alone application window.
>> * The $:/temp/timer/ticker IS updating once per second.
>> * The Sidebar digital clock IS running.
>> * The Sidebar analog clock is NOT running.
>> * The display of the Analog clock has all three hands pointing straight 
>> down, and all the clock numbers are in the center, along with all the tick 
>> marks.
>>
>> This suggests that the problem is due to a failure of the HTA to handle 
>> CSS "transforms" (which are used to set the position and angle of the 
>> hands, numbers, and tick marks)
>>
>> -e
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers Created when colour of tag changed

2021-03-01 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mat

Many thanks - I have not yet succeeded but your example showed me where to 
start looking so at least now I have an idea where I need to play around.  
I have started with except: which may simplify.

On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 22:36:30 UTC Mat wrote:

> So you want to not display the tiddlers in the river that are themselves a 
> tag, which has a different color than default (i.e they have a color 
> field), right? So, assuming you can modify the filters you use, then you 
> can try to add this filter to the end of it
>
> :and[!is[tag]] :and[!has[color]]
>
> I never used :and before and I obviously didn't test this filter, but 
> it's an idea... let's see what happens.
>
> <:-)
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:32:58 PM UTC+1 jonligh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mat - confusing? Yes sorry I am don't have a clear overview. 
>>
>> >>Are you saying you only want to see tiddlers in the story river that 
>> are of a certain kind? What about, say, the Controlpanel or other system 
>> tids?
>> I take your point - sorry for my unclear explanation, its not laziness 
>> but more a fairly patchy knowledge 
>>
>> A while ago someone on this forum kindly provided me with a sidebar tab 
>> widget  - a tiddler with tag $:/tags/SideBar which I use to filter the 
>> river story.
>>
>> I get two  buttons, both filter out system tiddlers. 
>>
>> the first shows all tiddlers apart from system
>> the second button only shows journal tiddlers
>> beneath these I get a list of all of my tags which I can filter the story 
>> river with. 
>>
>> All working as desired apart except that I would like to filter out 
>> tiddlers that are created when I change the colour of an existing tag ( I 
>> am going to drop the question regards image import I think that might be a 
>> misconception on my part ).
>>
>> The code within the tiddler is as follows. 
>>
>> ==
>>
>> <$vars limit={{{ 
>> [[$:/state/limit]is[tiddler]then{$:/state/limit}else[10]] }}}>
>>
>> <$range tiddler="$:/state/limit" min="10" max="100" default="10" 
>> increment="5"/>
>> limit: <$text text=<>/> tiddlers
>>
>> 
>>
>> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="All tiddlers" element-tag="$button" 
>> actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
>> filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]limit]'><$text text='[['/><$text 
>> text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] '/>"><$action-setfield 
>> $tiddler="$:/StoryList" list=<>/>"""/>
>>
>> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="Journal" element-tag="$button" 
>> actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
>> filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]tag[Journal]limit]'><$text 
>> text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
>> '/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
>> list=<>/>"""/>
>> 
>>
>> <$list filter="[tags[]sort[title]] -Journal" variable="tagItem">
>> <$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag=<> element-tag="$button" 
>> actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
>> filter='[!is[system]!sort[modified]taglimit]'><$text 
>> text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
>> '/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
>> list=<>/>"""/>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> ===
>>
>> So I ideally I would like to filter out the tiddlers that are created 
>> when I change the colour of a tag. 
>>
>> Thanks - and sorry again - I hope my second attempt is a bit more 
>> coherent.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 17:41:22 UTC Mat wrote:
>>
>>> jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> So adopting a different angle I wondered if anyone knew the best way to 
>>>> avoid displaying this kind of tiddler on the story river or perhaps having 
>>>> an optional switch so that they are only displayed when needed?
>>>>
>>>
>>> "This kind of tiddler" - do you w

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers Created when colour of tag changed

2021-02-25 Thread Jon Light

Hi Mat - confusing? Yes sorry I am don't have a clear overview. 

>>Are you saying you only want to see tiddlers in the story river that are 
of a certain kind? What about, say, the Controlpanel or other system tids?
I take your point - sorry for my unclear explanation, its not laziness but 
more a fairly patchy knowledge 

A while ago someone on this forum kindly provided me with a sidebar tab 
widget  - a tiddler with tag $:/tags/SideBar which I use to filter the 
river story.

I get two  buttons, both filter out system tiddlers. 

the first shows all tiddlers apart from system
the second button only shows journal tiddlers
beneath these I get a list of all of my tags which I can filter the story 
river with. 

All working as desired apart except that I would like to filter out 
tiddlers that are created when I change the colour of an existing tag ( I 
am going to drop the question regards image import I think that might be a 
misconception on my part ).

The code within the tiddler is as follows. 

==

<$vars limit={{{ [[$:/state/limit]is[tiddler]then{$:/state/limit}else[10]] 
}}}>

<$range tiddler="$:/state/limit" min="10" max="100" default="10" 
increment="5"/>
limit: <$text text=<>/> tiddlers



<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="All tiddlers" element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]limit]'><$text text='[['/><$text 
text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] '/>"><$action-setfield 
$tiddler="$:/StoryList" list=<>/>"""/>

<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag="Journal" element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[created]tag[Journal]limit]'><$text 
text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
'/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
list=<>/>"""/>


<$list filter="[tags[]sort[title]] -Journal" variable="tagItem">
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill" tag=<> element-tag="$button" 
actions="""<$wikify name="filteredList" text="<$list 
filter='[!is[system]!sort[modified]taglimit]'><$text 
text='[['/><$text text={{!!title}}/><$text text=']] 
'/>"><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
list=<>/>"""/>






===

So I ideally I would like to filter out the tiddlers that are created when 
I change the colour of a tag. 

Thanks - and sorry again - I hope my second attempt is a bit more coherent.

Jon





On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 17:41:22 UTC Mat wrote:

> jonligh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So adopting a different angle I wondered if anyone knew the best way to 
>> avoid displaying this kind of tiddler on the story river or perhaps having 
>> an optional switch so that they are only displayed when needed?
>>
>
> "This kind of tiddler" - do you want to hide all tiddlers tagged "foo"? 
> HIde in the story river, but not in the sidebar lists? 
>
> I would also ideally like to filter out the tiddlers that appear on the 
>> story river when I import an image - for me these are unwanted 'by 
>> products' although I appreciate they are required by tiddlywiki but I would 
>> prefer not to see them on the story river.
>>
>
> "the tiddlers that appear"? The $:/Import tiddler, or what are you talking 
> about?
>  
>
>> In every day terms my tiddlers are very similar to wikipedia entries - 
>> text around a subject and graphics, they always include text, I would 
>> prefer to see only these article like tiddlers on the story river. 
>>
>
> Are you saying you only want to see tiddlers in the story river that are 
> of a certain kind? What about, say, the Controlpanel or other system tids?
>
> As you can tell, I find your requests highly confusing.
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Tiddlers Created when colour of tag changed

2021-02-25 Thread Jon Light

Hi,

I have already read posts that document that changing the colour of a 
particular tag necessitates the creation of a new tiddler.

So adopting a different angle I wondered if anyone knew the best way to 
avoid displaying this kind of tiddler on the story river or perhaps having 
an optional switch so that they are only displayed when needed?

I would also ideally like to filter out the tiddlers that appear on the 
story river when I import an image - for me these are unwanted 'by 
products' although I appreciate they are required by tiddlywiki but I would 
prefer not to see them on the story river. 

In every day terms my tiddlers are very similar to wikipedia entries - text 
around a subject and graphics, they always include text, I would prefer to 
see only these article like tiddlers on the story river.  

Since starting with TiddlyWiki last year my knowledge base has grown to 
around 20MB - and I have created many tags with colour coding - it is 
simply the best knowledge base I have ever tried - connections have been 
made that would have been impossible without TW - however the proliferation 
of 'auxillary' tiddlers that do not contain content that I have composed 
myself get in the way. 

Thanks Jon

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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button with focus on title

2021-02-06 Thread Jon

Thanks Birthe,
much appreciated
Jon

On Saturday, 6 February 2021 at 16:28:12 UTC strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> You are creating 2 new tiddlers. New tiddler without tag or text but with 
> focus on title. New tiddler1 with tag and text but not focus on title.
>
> Try:
> \define newtags() [[my-tag]]
> \define newtext() my text
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/new-button}}
>   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<> 
> text=<> />
>
>
> Transcluding the image not the button.
>
> Birthe
> lørdag den 6. februar 2021 kl. 15.34.09 UTC+1 skrev Jon:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This creates a new tiddler with my-tag with 'my text' inserted:
>>
>> \define newtags() [[my-tag]]
>> \define newtext() my text
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>>   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
>> tags=<> text=<> />
>>
>>
>> How can I get the focus on the title so it's highlighted?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>

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[tw5] New tiddler button with focus on title

2021-02-06 Thread Jon

Hi,

This creates a new tiddler with my-tag with 'my text' inserted:

\define newtags() [[my-tag]]
\define newtext() my text
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
  <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
tags=<> text=<> />
   

How can I get the focus on the title so it's highlighted?

Thanks
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Filter to show caption field if it exists

2021-01-26 Thread Jon

Thanks for the alternatives, Tones.

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 23:47:38 UTC TW Tones wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Mark refactrored you code as requested but a shorter for is if the 
> cauurrent tiddler is valid use this;
>
> {{{ [all[current]get[caption]] ~[] }}}
>
> Or for plain text
>
> <$text text={{{ [all[current]get[caption]] ~[] }}}/>
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Wednesday, 27 January 2021 at 07:51:05 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>
>> Perfect! Thanks a lot Mark.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 17:23:26 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Try:
>>>
>>>
>>>> <$list filter=[tag[triangle]]>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]has[caption]get[caption]] 
>>>> :else[]" variable=name >
>>>>  <$link><>  
>>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> <$transclude mode=block/>
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Click icon to open webpage

2021-01-26 Thread Jon

Many thanks Birthe!

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 23:28:10 UTC strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Try https://bbc.co.uk; target="_blank">{{y}}
>
> Birthe
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:24:44 PM UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> <$link to="https://bbc.co.uk;>
>> {{y}}
>> 
>>
>> 'y' is a small icon but when clicked it opens the url as a tiddler.
>> How can I get it to open the webpage instead?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Click icon to open webpage

2021-01-26 Thread Jon

Hi,

<$link to="https://bbc.co.uk;>
{{y}}


'y' is a small icon but when clicked it opens the url as a tiddler.
How can I get it to open the webpage instead?

Thanks
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[tw5] Re: Filter to show caption field if it exists

2021-01-26 Thread Jon

Perfect! Thanks a lot Mark.

On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 17:23:26 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> Try:
>
>
>> <$list filter=[tag[triangle]]>
>> 
>>
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[caption]get[caption]] 
>> :else[]" variable=name >
>>  <$link><>  
>>
> 
>
>> 
>> <$transclude mode=block/>
>>   
>> 
>> 
>>
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[tw5] Filter to show caption field if it exists

2021-01-26 Thread Jon

Hi,

Matt kindly provided this to give a filtered list of tiddlers, the contents 
of which can be viewed on hover.

<$list filter=[tag[triangle]]>

  <$link/>
  
<$transclude mode=block/>
  



How can I adapt it to show the caption field of a tiddler if it exists but 
the title field if it doesn't and still have the hover and link working?

Thanks
Jon


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[tw5] Re: Help to import .csv as separate tiddlers

2021-01-25 Thread Jon

Hi Osin,

Sorry, I've not been on the site for a bit so missed your post.

I actually imported the .csv file using Joshua's Json Mangler as referenced 
above.

I figured out a few things that were needed, but they're referenced in the 
thread above as well.

Regards
Jon

On Thursday, 14 January 2021 at 17:31:41 UTC Osin wrote:

> Hi Jon,
> How did you initially import the CSV, just drag and drop?
> I can't seem to find the demo or documentation. When I import, the csv is 
> a "type: application/vnd.ms-excel" 
> Thank you
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 2:01:53 AM UTC-4 Jon wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joshua and for the extra bit about the message. 
>>
>> After using your suggestion for the filtering syntax, I actually like the 
>> idea of keeping everything bundled as a plugin - what I've imported is 19 
>> years' worth of diary entries, so I'm not going to edit them anyway and I 
>> like the warning message which pops up if I attempt to (but it's good to 
>> know I can unpack them if needed). After opening, they also don't appear in 
>> the recent tab which also suits me by keeping that free.
>>
>> Just as an aside, I noticed that I wasn't able to drag and drop the diary 
>> plugin into another wiki - nothing is imported.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 23:41:57 UTC+1, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent work figuring out the Filter syntax needed to set the title!
>>>
>>> Handling all the possibilities around CSV data in a flexible way was a 
>>> complicated problem, so thank you for the feedback (notes for the next 
>>> version's UI, which is a while out).
>>>
>>> In order to get rid of the shadow tiddler warning, once you have 
>>> confirmed that the source plugin is unpacked to your specs, you can simply 
>>> delete the source plugin tiddler. It will leave all the "modified" tiddlers 
>>> behind.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:22:56 AM UTC-7, Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> A bit more experimenting and yes, it does appear that using another 
>>>> field for the created date does allow for correct sorting etc.
>>>>
>>>> I also found that adding a 'tags' column in the spreadsheet is 
>>>> respected for the import and so a tag is added to each tiddler.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 16:32:11 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just played around with this a bit and having the 'title' in the 1st 
>>>>> column of the spreadsheet, setting the primary key to 0 and then 
>>>>> putting [] in the box for the shadow name filter names the 
>>>>> resulting tiddlers with the 'title' field - so all good!
>>>>>
>>>>> With regard to the creation date,  if I gave it a different name (so 
>>>>> that it is imported), I suppose I could still perform ordering  and 
>>>>> searching etc. in the same way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to have some confirmation of this before I go any further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 12:37:24 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The unpacking worked really well and things are looking promising but 
>>>>>> there are few glitches I can't get past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the .csv file to import, I included the fieldnames 'title' 'text' 
>>>>>> & 'created'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The text field appeared in the body of the tiddler as it should but 
>>>>>> the created & title fields appear to be absent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead, the name of the tiddler is derived from the name of the 
>>>>>> plug-in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I noticed there is an option to define the primary key and as the 
>>>>>> title field is in the first row of the spreadsheet,  I chose the column 
>>>>>> 0 
>>>>>> option. 
>>>>>> This created a name for each tiddler which includes the contents of 
>>>>>> the 'title' field but combined with the name of the plugin - so perhaps 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>

[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-09 Thread Jon

Ah, it was the svg bit I was missing.

Thanks again Sylvain.



On Saturday, 9 January 2021 at 10:07:07 UTC sil...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Jon,
>
> In your stylesheet tiddler, change my example with this :
>
> .facss svg {
> fill:red;
> width: 100pt;
> height: 100pt;
> }
>
> We add svg attribute, and just play with width and height.
>
> Le samedi 9 janvier 2021 à 10:27:08 UTC+1, Jon a écrit :
>
>> ...sorry, not sure how to do that  
>>
>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 23:55:14 UTC backplane wrote:
>>
>>> Try adding a div around the icon block and using CSS to size the DIV
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 5:23:44 PM UTC-5 Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sylvain,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to alter the size?
>>>> Nothing I've tried seems to work.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:32:59 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sylvain,
>>>>>
>>>>> That really is 'awesome'!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:10:33 UTC sil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use CSS stylecheet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple example with this first tiddler with $:/tags/Stylesheet and 
>>>>>> this in text : .facss { fill:red; }  
>>>>>> In other tiddler, style with @@.facss {{$:/images/fa5/solid/bug}}@@ 
>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Sylvain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le vendredi 8 janvier 2021 à 15:17:58 UTC+1, Jon a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike the CSS variety, the disadvantage of using the svg icons is 
>>>>>>> that I don't think you can colour them  - or can you? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:23:42 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Odin & Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right! It is the right place to go if you just need a few icons!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The guy behind it,  morosanuae, took great care to make them all 
>>>>>>>> "TW Ready" ... meaning he has coded standard TW icon sizing in to all 
>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> them. That makes it even better!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>>> TT 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:53:46 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That does sound better as I am only using a few.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can 
>>>>>>>>>> install individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are 
>>>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>>>> only a couple of extra icons.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons 
>>>>>>>>>>> as SVG's for tiddlywiki.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tones
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks TT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CSS classes. The font characters themselves are not directly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally loaded, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions at https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons in a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be a clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-09 Thread Jon

...sorry, not sure how to do that  

On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 23:55:14 UTC backplane wrote:

> Try adding a div around the icon block and using CSS to size the DIV
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 5:23:44 PM UTC-5 Jon wrote:
>
>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> Is it possible to alter the size?
>> Nothing I've tried seems to work.
>>
>> Regards
>> Jon
>>
>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:32:59 UTC Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sylvain,
>>>
>>> That really is 'awesome'!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:10:33 UTC sil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> You can use CSS stylecheet.
>>>>
>>>> Simple example with this first tiddler with $:/tags/Stylesheet and this 
>>>> in text : .facss { fill:red; }  
>>>> In other tiddler, style with @@.facss {{$:/images/fa5/solid/bug}}@@ for 
>>>> example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sylvain
>>>>
>>>> Le vendredi 8 janvier 2021 à 15:17:58 UTC+1, Jon a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Unlike the CSS variety, the disadvantage of using the svg icons is 
>>>>> that I don't think you can colour them  - or can you? 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:23:42 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Odin & Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right! It is the right place to go if you just need a few icons!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy behind it,  morosanuae, took great care to make them all "TW 
>>>>>> Ready" ... meaning he has coded standard TW icon sizing in to all of 
>>>>>> them. 
>>>>>> That makes it even better!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> TT 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:53:46 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That does sound better as I am only using a few.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can 
>>>>>>>> install individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are 
>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>> only a couple of extra icons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons as 
>>>>>>>>> SVG's for tiddlywiki.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tones
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks TT!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use 
>>>>>>>>>>> CSS classes. The font characters themselves are not directly 
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible 
>>>>>>>>>>> using entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It 
>>>>>>>>>>> is not 
>>>>>>>>>>> globally loaded, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding.
>>>>>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> would go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icons in a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be a clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-08 Thread Jon

Hi Sylvain,

Is it possible to alter the size?
Nothing I've tried seems to work.

Regards
Jon

On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:32:59 UTC Jon wrote:

> Hi Sylvain,
>
> That really is 'awesome'!
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:10:33 UTC sil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> You can use CSS stylecheet.
>>
>> Simple example with this first tiddler with $:/tags/Stylesheet and this 
>> in text : .facss { fill:red; }  
>> In other tiddler, style with @@.facss {{$:/images/fa5/solid/bug}}@@ for 
>> example.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sylvain
>>
>> Le vendredi 8 janvier 2021 à 15:17:58 UTC+1, Jon a écrit :
>>
>>> Unlike the CSS variety, the disadvantage of using the svg icons is that 
>>> I don't think you can colour them  - or can you? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:23:42 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Odin & Jon
>>>>
>>>> Right! It is the right place to go if you just need a few icons!
>>>>
>>>> The guy behind it,  morosanuae, took great care to make them all "TW 
>>>> Ready" ... meaning he has coded standard TW icon sizing in to all of them. 
>>>> That makes it even better!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> TT 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:53:46 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That does sound better as I am only using a few.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can install 
>>>>>> individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are using only a 
>>>>>> couple of extra icons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons as 
>>>>>>> SVG's for tiddlywiki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tones
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks TT!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use CSS 
>>>>>>>>> classes. The font characters themselves are not directly accessible 
>>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>>> entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It is not 
>>>>>>>>> globally 
>>>>>>>>> loaded, I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My understanding.
>>>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
>>>>>>>>>> https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this 
>>>>>>>>>> would go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> 
>>>>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons 
>>>>>>>>>>> in a 
>>>>>>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might 
>>>>>>>>>>> be a clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-08 Thread Jon

Hi Sylvain,

That really is 'awesome'!

Thanks
Jon

On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 15:10:33 UTC sil...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> You can use CSS stylecheet.
>
> Simple example with this first tiddler with $:/tags/Stylesheet and this in 
> text : .facss { fill:red; }  
> In other tiddler, style with @@.facss {{$:/images/fa5/solid/bug}}@@ for 
> example.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
>
> Le vendredi 8 janvier 2021 à 15:17:58 UTC+1, Jon a écrit :
>
>> Unlike the CSS variety, the disadvantage of using the svg icons is that I 
>> don't think you can colour them  - or can you? 
>>
>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:23:42 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Odin & Jon
>>>
>>> Right! It is the right place to go if you just need a few icons!
>>>
>>> The guy behind it,  morosanuae, took great care to make them all "TW 
>>> Ready" ... meaning he has coded standard TW icon sizing in to all of them. 
>>> That makes it even better!
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:53:46 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> That does sound better as I am only using a few.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can install 
>>>>> individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are using only a 
>>>>> couple of extra icons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons as 
>>>>>> SVG's for tiddlywiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tones
>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks TT!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use CSS 
>>>>>>>> classes. The font characters themselves are not directly accessible 
>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>> entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It is not 
>>>>>>>> globally 
>>>>>>>> loaded, I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My understanding.
>>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
>>>>>>>>> https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this 
>>>>>>>>> would go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> 
>>>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons 
>>>>>>>>>> in a 
>>>>>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might 
>>>>>>>>>> be a clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-08 Thread Jon

Unlike the CSS variety, the disadvantage of using the svg icons is that I 
don't think you can colour them  - or can you? 

On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:23:42 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Odin & Jon
>
> Right! It is the right place to go if you just need a few icons!
>
> The guy behind it,  morosanuae, took great care to make them all "TW 
> Ready" ... meaning he has coded standard TW icon sizing in to all of them. 
> That makes it even better!
>
> Best wishes
> TT 
>
> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 11:53:46 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>
>> That does sound better as I am only using a few.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>> On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:
>>
>>> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can install 
>>> individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are using only a 
>>> couple of extra icons.
>>>
>>> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>>>
>>>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons as 
>>>> SVG's for tiddlywiki.
>>>>
>>>> Tones
>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks TT!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use CSS 
>>>>>> classes. The font characters themselves are not directly accessible 
>>>>>> using 
>>>>>> entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It is not 
>>>>>> globally 
>>>>>> loaded, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding.
>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
>>>>>>> https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this 
>>>>>>> would go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> 
>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons in 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might be 
>>>>>>>> a clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-08 Thread Jon

That does sound better as I am only using a few.

Thanks
Jon

On Friday, 8 January 2021 at 06:55:46 UTC Odin wrote:

> http://fa5-free-svg.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It is this one. I like this solution as well because you can install 
> individual icons. That helps keep the wiki small if you are using only a 
> couple of extra icons.
>
> Op vrijdag 8 januari 2021 om 00:35:31 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:
>
>> I cant find it now but there is a package of font awesome Icons as SVG's 
>> for tiddlywiki.
>>
>> Tones
>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 23:29:45 UTC+11 Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks TT!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use CSS 
>>>> classes. The font characters themselves are not directly accessible using 
>>>> entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It is not 
>>>> globally 
>>>> loaded, I think.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding.
>>>> TT
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
>>>>> https://fontawesome.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this would 
>>>>> go in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>>>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> but 
>>>>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons in a 
>>>>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might be a 
>>>>>> clue that something's not right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-07 Thread Jon

Thanks TT!

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:28:23 UTC TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Right! The mechanism to actually display the glyphs has to use CSS 
> classes. The font characters themselves are not directly accessible using 
> entity numbers as the font is activated through classes. It is not globally 
> loaded, I think.
>
> My understanding.
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:48:14 UTC+1 Jon wrote:
>
>> Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
>> https://fontawesome.com/
>>
>> So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this would go 
>> in the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jon
>>
>> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>>
>>> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
>>> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> but 
>>> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons in a 
>>> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>>>
>>> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might be a 
>>> clue that something's not right.
>>>
>>> Any pointers?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-07 Thread Jon

Ah, so after a bit of lateral thinking, found the instructions at 
https://fontawesome.com/

So, just in case I'm not the only one asking the question, this would go in 
the tiddler (Icon id in quotes):



Cheers
Jon

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 08:54:10 UTC Jon wrote:

> Hi, 
>
> I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
> <https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> but 
> there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons in a 
> tiddler (unless I've missed them)
>
> I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might be a clue 
> that something's not right.
>
> Any pointers?
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>

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[tw5] How do I use fontawesome icons?

2021-01-07 Thread Jon

Hi, 

I've installed the  fontawesome plugin 
<https://thediveo.github.io/TW5FontAwesome/output/fontawesome.html> but 
there aren't any instructions as to how to use it and to get icons in a 
tiddler (unless I've missed them)

I notice the cheat sheet doesn't work in my wiki, so that might be a clue 
that something's not right.

Any pointers?

Thanks
Jon

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[tw5] Re: Filter table of contents recursively

2020-11-03 Thread Jon Dyer

I think probably https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/ is the best 
solution for me now.



On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 3:40:35 PM UTC-7, Jon Dyer wrote:
>
> I guess I should be clearer about the structure I'm looking at here:
>
>- Root
>   - Parent
>  - Child1
>  - Child2
> - Child21
> - Child22
> - Child23
>  
> Suppose that each of (Child21, Child22, Child23) are all tagged with 
> "Parent", in addition to being tagged with "Child2" (so they fit there 
> under the hierarchy). I don't want those three grandchildren to *also* show 
> up directly under "Parent". Does that make sense?
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:06:25 PM UTC-7 Jon Dyer wrote:
>
>> At this link there are basic instructions for changing the sort order of 
>> the table of contents using the toc macro: 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20change%20the%20sort%20order%20of%20sub-branches%20in%20a%20TOC%20macro
>>  (also 
>> see https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros). I would like to 
>> have more control over how the actual tagging/filtering is done. 
>> Specifically, I would like to recursively apply a filter so that any list 
>> items that are tagged with a sub-category are excluded from the parent 
>> category, even if they are also tagged with the parent category.
>>
>> Let me illustrate. I got it to work using the *list* field in the parent 
>> category with the *list-links* macro like so:
>>
>> <] -[{!!list}split[ ]tagging[]]">>
>>
>> with a *list* field like this:
>> Subcategory1 Subcategory2
>>
>>
>> But try as I might I can't get a similar thing to work in the Table of 
>> Contents. Things like the following don't work:
>> 
>> <> ]tagging[]]" >>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Or hacks like this:
>> 
>> <> ]tagging[]" >>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I've spent too many hours on this now (not wasted though! I've learned 
>> much about filters in TW). Any tips on how to achieve what I want? I'm sure 
>> there's a clever set of filters that I just can't quite get right. I'm also 
>> not afraid to edit the core toc macro if needs be. Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter table of contents recursively

2020-11-03 Thread Jon Dyer

I guess I should be clearer about the structure I'm looking at here:

   - Root
  - Parent
 - Child1
 - Child2
- Child21
- Child22
- Child23
 
Suppose that each of (Child21, Child22, Child23) are all tagged with 
"Parent", in addition to being tagged with "Child2" (so they fit there 
under the hierarchy). I don't want those three grandchildren to *also* show 
up directly under "Parent". Does that make sense?

On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:06:25 PM UTC-7 Jon Dyer wrote:

> At this link there are basic instructions for changing the sort order of 
> the table of contents using the toc macro: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20change%20the%20sort%20order%20of%20sub-branches%20in%20a%20TOC%20macro
>  (also 
> see https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros). I would like to 
> have more control over how the actual tagging/filtering is done. 
> Specifically, I would like to recursively apply a filter so that any list 
> items that are tagged with a sub-category are excluded from the parent 
> category, even if they are also tagged with the parent category.
>
> Let me illustrate. I got it to work using the *list* field in the parent 
> category with the *list-links* macro like so:
>
> <] -[{!!list}split[ ]tagging[]]">>
>
> with a *list* field like this:
> Subcategory1 Subcategory2
>
>
> But try as I might I can't get a similar thing to work in the Table of 
> Contents. Things like the following don't work:
> 
> < ]tagging[]]" >>
> 
>
>
> Or hacks like this:
> 
> < ]tagging[]" >>
> 
>
>
> I've spent too many hours on this now (not wasted though! I've learned 
> much about filters in TW). Any tips on how to achieve what I want? I'm sure 
> there's a clever set of filters that I just can't quite get right. I'm also 
> not afraid to edit the core toc macro if needs be. Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Filter table of contents recursively

2020-11-02 Thread Jon Dyer

At this link there are basic instructions for changing the sort order of
the table of contents using the toc macro:
https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20change%20the%20sort%20order%20of%20sub-branches%20in%20a%20TOC%20macro
(.
I would like to have more control over how the actual tagging/filtering is
done. Specifically, I would like to recursively apply a filter so that any
list items that are tagged with a sub-category are excluded from the parent
category, even if they are also tagged with the parent category.

Let me illustrate. I got it to work using the *list* field in the parent
category with the *list-links* macro like so:

<] -[{!!list}split[ ]tagging[]]">>

with a *list* field like this:
Subcategory1 Subcategory2

But try as I might I can't get a similar thing to work in the Table of
Contents. Things like the following don't work:

Or hacks like this:

I've spent too many hours on this now (not wasted though! I've learned much
about filters in TW). Any tips on how to achieve what I want? I'm sure
there's a clever set of filters that I just can't quite get right. I'm also
not afraid to edit the core toc macro if needs be. Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Confusion on variables and parameters

2020-11-02 Thread Jon Dyer

Thank you very much for the explanation! This was very helpful.


On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:57:27 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The $variable$ variables only work with parameters from the macro -- you 
> can't assign them inside the macro.
>
> For variables that you create, you have to use the <> 
> nomenclature, except inside a filter expression in which case you can use 
> operator nomenclature.
>
> Just to confuse things more, inside your macro you could also refer to the 
> parameters like this
>
> <<__title__>>  and <<__label__>>
>
> This will get the default the way you want. I'm not sure why you're using 
> the text widget instead of just placing the text, but anyways ...
>
> \define mymac(title,label)
>
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
> 
>
> <$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
> emptyValue="""$title$""">
> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
> 
> <$text text="""Label: """/>
> <$text text=<>/>
>
> 
>
> \end
>
> <>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 9:53:13 AM UTC-8, Jon Dyer wrote:
>>
>> I think I'm not understanding something essential about access to 
>> variables vs. params in macros and Wikitext. Suppose in a macro I'm writing 
>> I want one variable to default to the value of another if it isn't present. 
>> I've tried to use the SetWidget to make this work, but no matter what I try 
>> I can't seem to overwrite the parameter value with what I have in the 
>> <$set...> part. Can you tell what I'm doing wrong?
>>
>> For a concrete example:
>>
>> \define mymac(title,label)
>>
>> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
>> 
>> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
>> 
>>
>> <$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
>> emptyValue="""$title$""">
>> <$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>
>> 
>> <$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>
>> 
>>
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Confusion on variables and parameters

2020-11-02 Thread Jon Dyer

I think I'm not understanding something essential about access to variables 
vs. params in macros and Wikitext. Suppose in a macro I'm writing I want 
one variable to default to the value of another if it isn't present. I've 
tried to use the SetWidget to make this work, but no matter what I try I 
can't seem to overwrite the parameter value with what I have in the 
<$set...> part. Can you tell what I'm doing wrong?

For a concrete example:

\define mymac(title,label)

<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>


<$set name="label" filter="$label$" value="$label$" 
emptyValue="""$title$""">
<$text text="""Title: $title$"""/>

<$text text="""Label: $label$"""/>


\end

<>

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[tw5] Re: Unintended links - does the prefix Mac have special significance?

2020-09-30 Thread Jon Light

Brilliant! - thanks to Eric, TiddlyTweeter and Tony, its nice to simply 
know what the cause was and even better for the suggestions on how to 
disable - I think the blanket disable given by Eric in point 3 will be the 
one for me, the area I am documenting involves a number of folks with 
Scottish surnames and at times I do actually want a link to something 
specific so I think auto-off is the best way for me. Again thanks to one of 
nicest and most helpful communities :-) I only came across TiddlyWiki a few 
months ago and it is a revolution for me - third knowledge base I tried but 
the only one I feel works the way I do, loving it 

On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 00:42:02 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 7:42:34 AM UTC-7, Jon Light wrote:
>>
>> It is not a big deal but I have noticed that when I enter Scottish 
>> surnames - MacInnes for instance Tiddlywiki sets up a link automatically 
>> which leads to a requestor asking me if I want to create a new tiddler of 
>> that name.
>>
>
> Any text that starts with a capital letter, and contains another capital 
> letter within it is called "CamelCase", and is treated as an automatic 
> "WikiLink" reference to a tiddler (even if that tiddler doesn't exist yet).
>
> You can disable this handling in several ways:
>
> 1) For single occurrences, just precede the text with "~", as in 
> "~MacInnes"
> 2) Disable automatic WikiLinks in an entire tiddler, by putting "\define 
> tv-wikilinks() no" at the start of the tiddler (see 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#tv-wikilinks%20Variable)
> 3) Disable automatic WikiLinks in the whole file, by clearing the "Enable 
> automatic CamelCase linking" checkbox in $:/ControlPanel, Settings tab or 
> by directly setting the text content of 
> $:/config/WikiParserRules/Inline/wikilink to "disable".
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Unintended links - does the prefix Mac have special significance?

2020-09-28 Thread Jon Light


Hi
It is not a big deal but I have noticed that when I enter Scottish surnames 
- MacInnes for instance Tiddlywiki sets up a link automatically which leads 
to a requestor asking me if I want to create a new tiddler of that name.

I just wondered if anyone else sees this behaviour and if so then whether 
Mac is a reserved word?

I will live with it - just curiosity really.

Jon 

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

Correction - its exactly what I wanted :-) I just needed to play with it a 
little to realise it ticks all the boxes - Brilliant - many thanks !



On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:52:37 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi JD,
>
> Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it is 
> pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
> tinkering.
> I am glad I asked for help!
> I really appreciate your time.
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:
>
>> Hi JD
>>
>> Thanks very much for responding.
>>
>> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
>> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>>
>> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
>> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
>> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>>
>> So if I had tags
>>
>> A B C D E F G Journal
>>
>> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
>> do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>>
>> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
>> exists.   
>>
>> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
>> this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
>> alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
>> ) but I could live without this.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>>
>>> EDIT:
>>>
>>> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>>>
>>> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>>>
>>> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
>>> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
>>> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
>>> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
>>> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
>>> more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged 
>>> *KENM* and *MEME*)
>>>
>>> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the 
>>> story tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>>>
>>> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this 
>>>> tag list to show? In the sidebar? 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Noobie here,
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it 
>>>>> in TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
>>>>> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
>>>>> that tag.
>>>>>
>>>>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
>>>>> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
>>>>> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
>>>>> the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>>>>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>>>>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>>>>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
>>>>> all 
>>>>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a 
>>>>> selection. 
>>>>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is 
>>>>> replaced 
>>>>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
>>>>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>>>>
>>>>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
>>>>> but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
>>>>> is... 
>>>>>
>>>>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
>>>>> single nominated tag?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

Hi JD,

Thanks so much for the solution you posted - straight out of the tin it is 
pretty much what I wanted and certainly a great starting point for 
tinkering.
I am glad I asked for help!
I really appreciate your time.
Jon







On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 12:41:32 UTC+1 Jon Light wrote:

> Hi JD
>
> Thanks very much for responding.
>
> I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
> might be a good way to do it as well. 
>
> The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
> sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
> tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 
>
> So if I had tags
>
> A B C D E F G Journal
>
> Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
> do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 
>
> My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
> exists.   
>
> *It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
> this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
> alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
> ) but I could live without this.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:
>
>> EDIT:
>>
>> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>>
>> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>>
>> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
>> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
>> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
>> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
>> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some 
>> more to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged 
>> *KENM* and *MEME*)
>>
>> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the story 
>> tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>>
>> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
>>> list to show? In the sidebar? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Noobie here,
>>>>
>>>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
>>>> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
>>>> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
>>>> that tag.
>>>>
>>>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
>>>> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
>>>> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>>>
>>>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like 
>>>> the story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>>>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>>>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>>>
>>>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>>>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of 
>>>> all 
>>>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
>>>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
>>>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
>>>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>>>
>>>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" 
>>>> but now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking 
>>>> is... 
>>>>
>>>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a 
>>>> single nominated tag?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

Hi JD

Thanks very much for responding.

I was thinking of a menu bar at the top for the tag-pills but a side bar 
might be a good way to do it as well. 

The tag list would not be a tree structure, just a linear list with no 
sense of hierarchy. I have already played around with creating a menu 
tiddler but lacked the knowledge how to create the necessary code content 

So if I had tags

A B C D E F G Journal

Then clicking on A would show all tiddlers that have tag A  in general* I 
do not need conditionals that involve more than one tag at a time. 

My journal tiddlers do not have any additional tags so mutual exclusivity 
exists.   

*It would be nice to have an extra pill that meant "all except journal" - 
this would show any tiddler that had at least one of the tags [ABCDEFG] or 
alternatively did NOT have the tag journal ( courtesy of mutual exclusivity 
) but I could live without this.  





On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 11:51:25 UTC+1 JD wrote:

> EDIT:
>
> I have some more questions, Jon ^^,
>
> 1. Do you want the tag list to have a tree-structure? 
>
> 2. While already filtered on a tag, do you want it so that clicking 
> another tagpill will filter it down some more?
> *Sample*: clicking *KENM* will filter the storylist to: 
> *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[KENM]]*
> then clicking *MEME *will narrow it some more 
> to *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[TAGGER]tag[MEME]]* (tiddlers tagged *KENM* 
> and *MEME*)
>
> ...or will clicking *MEME* replace the story 
> tiddler to  *[!is[system]sort[title]tag[MEME]]* ?
>
> btw.. Tiddlywiki can behave however you like ^^,
>
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:36:33 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> I can help you with this, but I'd like to know where you'd like this tag 
>> list to show? In the sidebar? 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:07:59 PM UTC+9, Jon Light wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Noobie here,
>>>
>>> I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in 
>>> TiddlyWiki terminology.
>>>
>>> I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I 
>>> click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have 
>>> that tag.
>>>
>>> The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.
>>>
>>> 1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags. 
>>> Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to 
>>> filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal". 
>>>
>>> 2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the 
>>> story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the 
>>> corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in 
>>> which case I would click the journal tag-pill.
>>>
>>> I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that 
>>> tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all 
>>> corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection. 
>>> In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced 
>>> conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the 
>>> list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.  
>>>
>>> In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but 
>>> now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is... 
>>>
>>> how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single 
>>> nominated tag?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Is it possible to apply tag filters to the story river?

Hi Noobie here,

I asked my first question yesterday, I think I can better express it in
TiddlyWiki terminology.

I would like to be able to create a list of tag-pills such that when I
click on one the story river is filtered to only show tiddlers that have
that tag.

The project I have in mind breaks down into two parts.

1. Creation of a tiddler that displays a tag-pill for each of my tags.
Ideally I would also like to add options to not filter at all and one to
filter out tiddlers with tag "Journal".

2. When one of the tag-pills mentioned in 1. is clicked I would like the
story river to be filtered so as to show only tiddlers that have the
corresponding tags. I might wish to look at only my journal tiddlers in
which case I would click the journal tag-pill.

I might be fighting the intended flow of tiddlyWiki here, I note that
tag-pills when clicked on offer a drop down offering the user a list of all
corresponding tiddlers which they can then visit if they make a selection.
In a sense I am trying to create a tiddler where the pull-down is replaced
conceptually by a filtered story-river - the user then 'chooses' from the
list presented in the story river rather than from a pull down.

In my first attempt at asking this question I was talking of "views" but
now with a little more familiarity I think what I am really asking is...

how can I filter the story river according to a users choice of a single
nominated tag?

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[tw5] Re: Organising mixed Journal and 'Fact/Knowledge Base' Tiddlers