[tw] Re: Shakespeare, as you like it.

[Richard Smith]

Hi Josiah,

It's done by pummelling a spreadsheet ~ it's supposed to be automated but 
in practise, it takes a lot of trial and error to get the macros right. If 
you had a hundred of them to do, it'd be fairly automated but you'd still 
be cleaning up the input by hand.

This is the spreadsheet I have left over, but it seems to be missing all 
the macros, so I must have only kept a copy of the output, but you get the 
idea.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Pyg99FHK8GhuPWHSLHNoLGmvypTW2Gr_wVL15Jrmeps/edit?usp=sharing

I agree that a screenplay tool would be interesting. One thing I have 
wondered about before is whether it makes sense sometimes to have a 
different, kind-of "intermediate", editing mode where an end user can edit 
content, but without dropping into the full wiki-text editor. Sort of like 
a very limited wysywig editor. We would need to create a pleasant writing 
environment for the creative mind.

Regards,
Richard


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 6:24:13 PM UTC+10, Josiah wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark & RichardWS
>
> Good stuff! showing what can be done.
>
> Mark, just looking at it made me realise how relatively easy it would be 
> to tweak further in many ways... for instance to place all STAGE: 
> instructions into italic or a different colour.
>
> Richard, the depth of decomposition you go to, and adumbrating various 
> indices, is fascinating. I'd be interested to know how much this is 
> automated, or could be. It certainly gives potential fine grained ways of 
> studying & using long texts.
>
> The more I look at all this the more I think than just be an approach to 
> presenting text, but actually to AUTHOR text. Specifically I can see how it 
> might be developed into a SCREENPLAY writing tool. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 21 June 2016 06:16:23 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> It looks great. When I did similar with Macbeth, I was able to use the 
>> spreadsheet (and a lot of futzing) to add several fields to each line of 
>> the play - which might seem like overkill but it means that you can, for 
>> example, extract all the lines spoken by a particular character etc.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> The primary key here is as simple as possible - every piece of dialog and 
>> direction gets a sequential integer.
>>
>> As for the total size of the finished document, my advice would be "don't 
>> panic!" - most of the web pages we load every day are much bigger than even 
>> a fully-stuffed tiddlywiki. I was reading this slide-deck just the other 
>> day which you might be interested in; 
>> http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
>>
>> "Let's take a look at the Apple page that explains iOS on the iPad Pro 
>>> . How big do you think this page 
>>> is? 
>>> Would you believe that it's bigger than the entire memory capacity of 
>>> the iconic iMac? (32 MB)
>>> In fact, you could also fit the contents of the Space Shuttle Main 
>>> Computer. Not just for one Shuttle, but the entire fleet (5 MB).
>>> And you would still have room for a tricked out Macintosh SE... (5MB).
>>> ...and the collected works of Shakespeare... (5 MB)
>>> With lots of room to spare. The page is 51 megabytes big."
>>
>>
>> So, you see, if our file is only 10 or 20 times the size of our actual 
>> content, we are really doing quite well ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>

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[tw] Re: More questions about TITLE

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

As Hegart points out, the tension derives from the fact that the title is 
the primary key in the data-store. 

How would you differentiate between your three tweets if they have the same 
title and tags?

The best/simplest way to do this, in my experience, is to give them all 
names that start the same "KUNDUN (1997) Cast", "KUNDUN (1997) Clip" etc. 
and then have a 'master' tiddler called "KUNDUN (1997)" which gathers all 
the pieces (by transcluding all the tiddlers prefixed with it's own title). 
This way a search for "KUNDUN (1997)", for example, will return a list of 
meaningful titles instead of "KUNDUN (1997)" 5 times, which is not very 
informative. The other advantage to this is you could make a button to 
create new tweets about the film and take advantage of automatic 
incrementation ie; "KUNDUN (1997) Tweet #1", "KUNDUN (1997) Tweet #2" etc.

The other mechanism that's available is the 'caption' field - multiple 
tiddlers can have the same caption field and, if it's present, it gets used 
in favour of the title when the tiddler is displayed in certain contexts, 
like when the tiddler is used as a tab in the sidebar or elsewhere.

It should be possible to beef-up use of the caption field (by re-writing 
the view templates?), so that it is displayed as the tiddler title when 
present - basically start to try and separate the "human readable titles" 
from the "data-store keys" but this is likely to be a bit of a rabit-hole, 
there are good reasons for TW being how it is and I'm sure Jeremy is 
entirely cognisant of the trade-offs he's made in this area.

Bear in mind that if all 5 of your tiddlers end up with the same title, you 
will no longer be able to refer to any of them by that title, so you will 
need to remember, or easily refer to, their individual primary-keys and 
thus some of the 'magic' of tiddlywiki is lost and you're a database 
administrator.

Are you using TW for both creating and displaying the content? Are you able 
to post an example of your work so far or examples showing how you would 
like it to work? In my experience, the best solution to your problem will 
depend on the workflow you are trying to achieve.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

[Richard Smith]

I agree it's interesting to consider mass conversion of texts from 
Gutenberg - at least, it would be good to imagine a tool that lets someone 
easily choose a standard e-text, import it and then clean it up. 

If you are just looking for clean versions of the texts, you can search 
for, eg; "shakespeare in a spreasheet" and you may be surprised at how many 
people have already done this :)

https://datahub.io/dataset/william-shakespeare-plays/resource/514d3c17-8469-4ae8-b83f-57678af50735
http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/file/king_james_bible/

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyWiki code structure and documentation, try 2. Any volunteers?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mark,

getVariable is defined in widget.js 

If you search the whole project using an editor such as Atom or Brackets, 
you get a list of all the lines containing the string and you can look 
through to find the definition or you can try searching for "getVariable =" 
and it should find the place where there is a definition.

Regards,
Richard

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 2:41:42 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Jed,
>
> Searching your TW, I can't find a blank for "getVariable()". I also can't 
> find it looking at TW's raw code, mostly because I don't know how it's 
> prefixed as a definition and also because it gets used so many places that 
> searching for its definition is swamped. Maybe it's part of some other code 
> library? Having documentation for this sort of thing would be great.
>
> Had a thought it might be a new part of standard javascript, but a search 
> through the definitive guide reveals no such function.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 6:51:45 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Instead of working on what I was planning today I started putting 
>> together another version of a documentation wiki for the tiddlywiki code.
>>
>> My main motivation is to have a searchable database so I can look up 
>> function definitions when developing. I would like to extend this to having 
>> more in-depth documentation for the code to make contributing and learning 
>> easier. It should also help give a better overall view of the code to help 
>> with optimisations and the like.
>>
>> What I would like is help adding everything and input about how it should 
>> be organized. At the moment it is mostly empty placeholder tiddlers. 
>>
>> What I have now is here 
>> .
>>
>> If you are interested in helping let me know. It needs people to do 
>> things like adding descriptions for each file (a lot of which will be 
>> things like 'This is the tiddler for the right arrow image'), adding 
>> descriptions of what functions do, giving examples of usage for a function, 
>> finding where the different functions are used and probably other things.
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

[Richard Smith]

It's true that the file gets bigger, obviously, but the main point of my 
test was to assess how much it slows down by with a large structured text 
and the answer is 'not much' - the document I compiled had around 23,000 
tiddlers and was quite useable. There are some exceptions to that.

Part of the issue that we face in discussing what tiddlywiki can do and 
what it should do is the difference between how the core works and how the 
UI can be made to work. The way I think of it is that TW is a tool for 
making tools, so the user-requirements of someone like Marc are interesting 
to me because they help me to think about the kind of tools I might make.

When the file size grows, you are actually getting something for your 
megabytes - even though the document doesn't contain any more content, it 
does contain more information, obviously, about the way the content is 
structured. I suppose it's like the difference between the size of a file 
in an an image editor like GIMP, which might be ten times or more the size 
of the exported image, because it contains much more information than just 
what colour each pixel is, even though that's all anyone will ever see 
directly.

Anyway, file-size itself isn't much of a concern for digital documents - 
the real potential overhead in having so many tiddlers is one of increased 
cognitive load in dealing with them all. If we can hide the complexity, 
then I'm confident that the benefits of the 'philosophy of tiddlers' will 
be evident. With the Bible, for example it's only by splitting the text up 
into individual verses that we can 'tell' the computer what constitutes a 
verse and it can infer much more (how many verses, arranged how, verses 
containing a particular word etc.)

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyWiki code structure and documentation, try 2. Any volunteers?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jed,

Do you use an integrated editor to do your coding? I use ATOM and find it 
quite easy to search for functions across a whole project folder (ie; the 
TW repo)

The idea of rebuilding the code so that each function //is// a tiddler is 
very interesting.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] MagicTabs only in toddler tagged Tag1

[Richard Smith]

I think magictabs are part of Alberto's Scholars edition - there's a site 
here: http://magictabs.tiddlyspot.com/ - it says THIS IS A WORK IN 
PROGRESS (beta sofware) USE ONLY FOR TESTING PURPOSES

I'm afraid I've never used it, so I'm not sure how it works.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How create SVG icons

[Richard Smith]

Hi Alex,

I did the same and it does work, but not if you set the tiddler type to SVG 
- which is confusing to me.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s3YE_g5Q_NQ/VY42ElmwnsI/BdU/VuApLhmjniE/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-06-27%2Bat%2B3.34.25%2Bpm.png

@Andrew - SVG graphics are really cool, but they took me a while to get my 
head around at first - open the SVG image in your browser and then choose 
view-source and there it is. That's the code that the browser uses to draw 
the picture - you can edit it by hand in a text-editor. I also had some 
success with this google-code SVG editor 
- http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn-history/r1771/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html 
- but it can be a bit flaky.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How to add comments to a wiki on tiddlyspot (without access to a server)

[Richard Smith]

Hi Alex,

The point of using something like disqus is that people must have 
credentials to leave a comment, which stops a lot of spam.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] If tag, open on top...

[Richard Smith]

Just adding my two cents - I don't think I would use this very much but it 
could be achieved by adding the option to maintain hierarchy - the effect 
would be that opening every tiddler would eventually leave you with them 
all open in a prescribed order. This might be useful for something like a 
'folded book'. Of course, it would mean that the hierarchy would need to be 
defined somehow.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] URL prettify macro, e.g to show git-issue links as #number

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mario,

I think you should only have one vertical bar in the pretty link? ie;

[[github issue: Allow saver to be specified for 
download|https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1755]]

I supposed that Mat intended to use it something like this;

github issue: Allow saver to be specified for download (prettylink 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1755)

Does GitHub have an api that will return the issue title? Or did you mean 
copy-paste?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] URL prettify macro, e.g to show git-issue links as #number

[Richard Smith]

 Yes github has an api, but it would create a network request everytime the 
 code is rendered, which may be every keystroke. 

 For me, it would be ok, to ping Wikipedia, if I open a tiddler. 


Hi Mario - I found the github api and was just reading up on it. I thought 
it might be a good way for me to learn a bit more about how api calls work. 

I see your point about calling the api repeatedly - what do you think the 
best practice would be in this regard? ie; is there a way to limit the 
number of times it gets called (once?) - for example only when the wiki is 
loaded and store the result? Is there anywhere in the existing code that 
makes api calls?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] URL prettify macro, e.g to show git-issue links as #number

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mat,

I applaud your vigour in attempting to stretch wikitext to it's limits but 
I think we might be at it's limit here (Jeremy?)

Like you, I am 'not a coder', but I think it might be easier for us to 
figure out the necessary javascript (and start to become coders!) than to 
look for a wikitext solution.

Here is the dev page on js 
macros: http://tiddlywiki.com/dev/index.html#JavaScript%20Macros

And here are the examples from the 
core: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/core/modules/macros

This is (presumably) the js function we would 
use: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/split

Presumably, this would be quite easy for our coding friends to achieve... 
What do you think?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Parse Title as Link, makes title a dragable link

[Richard Smith]

Hi Alex,

If you're really keen on this, you could try altering the text 
of $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title

In all likelihood I've broken something horribly, but I was able to add 
$link/$link (in two places) and it *appears* to do what you describe 
(but please, please don't use it on your real wiki).

The text looks like this: -

\define title-styles()
 fill:$(foregroundColor)$;
 \end
 \define config-title()
 $:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$(listItem)$
 \end
 div class=tc-tiddler-title
 div class=tc-titlebar
 span class=tc-tiddler-controls
 $list 
 filter=[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/ViewToolbar]!has[draft.of]] 
 variable=listItem$reveal type=nomatch state=config-title 
 text=hide$transclude tiddler=listItem//$reveal/$list
 /span
 $set name=foregroundColor value={{!!color}}
 span class=tc-tiddler-title-icon style=title-styles
 $transclude tiddler={{!!icon}}/
 /span
 /$set
 $link$list filter=[all[current]removeprefix[$:/]]
 h2 class=tc-title title={{$:/language/SystemTiddler/Tooltip}}
 span class=tc-system-title-prefix$://span$text 
 text=currentTiddler/
 /h2
 /$list
 /$link
 $link
 $list filter=[all[current]!prefix[$:/]]
 h2 class=tc-title
 $view field=title/
 /h2
 /$list
 /$link
 /div
 $reveal type=nomatch text= default= state=tiddlerInfoState 
 class=tc-tiddler-info tc-popup-handle animate=yes retain=yes
 $transclude tiddler=$:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/ 

/$reveal
 /div


Regards,
Richard 

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[tw] [off-topic] What is Code?

[Richard Smith]

I hope this isn't annoying - it is *very* off-topic, but I know some of 
you, like me, are non-coders with an interest in code, and I found this 
article to be an exceptionally interesting (long) 
read. http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-paul-ford-what-is-code/

As far as I understand it, our friend TiddlyWiki has some genetic 
relationship to Lisp, about which the article says;

Lisp blurs the line between code and data in the way it allows functions 
 to refer to themselves. It works, but it’s a little much to ask a regular 
 programmer to see the world as infinitely programmable.


Regards,
Richard 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Faulty macro?

[Richard Smith]

Hi again Mat,

I suspect this might be a version issue, and/or there may be abetter way to 
do it -  see this tiddler - http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Parameter

I think I need to refresh my understanding of the software in it's current 
state - I suspect it can do a few things I don't know about now.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] $taglist broken under 5.1.8

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

I hadn't tried this until today but it appears that BJ's $taglist plugin is 
broken under 5.1.8

This might have been discussed already and I missed it. I'm not asking for 
a fix per se, just bringing it to your attention. 

Did something change that would break it? Possibly a change to the default 
drop-zone behaviour?

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Re: [tw] Re: Generating HTML attribute strings from wikitext?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Evan,

I understand now - you want to be able to compose the svg 'path' using a 
filter and so wish to transclude the output of the filter into an 
attribute. After some playing just now, I would concur that this doesn't 
seem possible on the face of things.

Jed or someone else who has the serious filter-fu may know of newer 
solutions, but I think (may be wrong) this limitation is what caused 
Matabele to write the $makelist widget which sets the value of a field 
according to a filter output - you can then refer to *this* value by 
transclusion.

You should be able to find Matabele's widget by searching the forum - I'm 
not sure if it is up to date etc.

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[tw] Re: node.js on android tablet

[Richard Smith]

Hi Crash,

Personally, I use dropbox to store any TWs that I want to keep in sync 
across multiple devices. That way I don't have to remember to save/sync 
anything manually. I use a mac and a windows machine and not android.

If I want to run the node.js version on both of my machines, I can still 
generate a single file and use it just as a way to keep the two in sync.

The other alternative, of course, is to expose the node server and connect 
to it from the tablet, but that depends whether the tablet will always have 
an internet connection.

As for Node on Android, the answer seems to be 'possible but difficult' 
- 
http://oguzbastemur.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/nodejs-truly-on-android-and-ios.html
 

Personally, I think that a really easy way to edit and get things into a 
single Tiddlywiki from multiple devices is a 'killer feature' that would 
make it obviously more useful to a huge new group of people. ie; you love 
evernote because you can trust it to 'just work' and everything will be 
stored in one place, but wouldn't it be great to pattern that information 
in arbitrarily complex ways depending on the requirements of your task(s).

Your own use-case is particularly fascinating to me. I have been reading a 
lot lately about the 'getting things done' methodology 
- http://gettingthingsdone.com/ - which I had previously dismissed as some 
gimmicky business thing, but the gentleman who wrote it is very persuasive 
in interviews about the benefits of creating for ourselves an 'external 
brain' to take over the tasks that otherwise weigh on our internal brain, 
and for which it is not well-suited to begin with. He stresses that for us 
to trust the external brain, it must basically be 100% reliable - ie; any 
information we put into must be available when we need it. My experience of 
tw in this respect is really, really good - I've never lost any data, 
except through my own stupidity, in two years of constant use with tw5. The 
only problem I ever have is that I end up with too many wikis and too many 
unfinished projects and everything is consequently always in a bit of a 
mess - to be fair, this is a pretty good reflection of the inside of my 
head but I think I need to figure out some way to organise things more 
effectively, in order to find some clarity.

I hope you'll let us know what you get working.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: Pouch database: include it in the download mechanism

[Richard Smith]

Hi Danielo,

Thankyou for the explanation. I understand much better now and agree that 
it's potentially very useful. I look forward to seeing it.

I will read some more about pouchdb and how it gets synced to remote server 
- it would be great to have a reliable, roll-your-own dropbox/evernote 
replacement. I've also been playing around with some of Jed's stuff, which 
is kind of related.

We can even imagine that one day, someone signing up for heroku or AWS or 
similar services might be able to install a default TW environment, that 
contains all the clever stuff you and everyone else are working on, to use 
as a reliable home for digital content and a 'social media' node/mail 
server etc. (getting carried away with ideas beyond my current capabilities 
again!)

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[tw] Re: Pouch database: include it in the download mechanism

[Richard Smith]

Hi Danielo,

It seems to me like the database tiddler should be deleted - because it 
will be re-created if the process is repeated, right? And it's useless 
while the wiki's open.

Do you mean that pouchdb will contain all of the tiddlers, or a separate db 
of some kind? 

What would happen if you opened the file in a browser that doesn't support 
pouchdb? 

Will it be complicated to merge the databases later?

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[tw] Re: Adding one more field into the dictionary plugin by Jed Carty

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jed,

I want to build an English-Swahili dictionary that can test me on 
vocabulary, flashcard/lietner style - do you think your dictionary plugin 
is a good way to go? I was going to use a tiddler for each pair-entry but 
it might be easier to put them all into a data tiddler. Is it easy to add 
(and remove) entries from the table through a form?

Thanks,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Proof-of-Concept: (new) Direct drag-to-resize Theme Tweak

[Richard Smith]

That's fantastic!

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[tw] Re: [tw5] How can I refer to a tag in the text field?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Pieter-Michiel,

You can include the tags in the same way you include the other fields -

{{!!tags}}

is that what you mean? Are you adding dates as tags? You can extract the 
created date from the hidden field like this:

$view field=created format=date template=DDD DDth MMM /

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Set a Table of Contents to show with closed nodes when the tiddler is open

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

I think an expandable table of contents might give you what you want?

See tiddler:- Example Table of Contents: Selectively Expandable

div class=tc-table-of-contents
toc-selective-expandable Contents
/div

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Can I create a bunch of tiddlers based on list?

[Richard Smith]

Sounds good to me :)

 I hope you'll share if you get it working - very interesting

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Can I create a bunch of tiddlers based on list?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mans,

Starting with a spreadsheet - data in colums, no headers - put a blank 
column inbetween each, starting at the beginning and, in the top cell, add 
little snippets like this...

 {  text: 

so that, as a whole, a single line of the spreadsheet reads as a valid json 
entry, with a comma at the end, and 'fill' down the sheet, so it looks like 
this...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r6SDMepHHYc/VV_wEguePqI/A_4/7SVc-hDx8tQ/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-23%2Bat%2B1.03.23%2Bpm.png
Then copy and paste the columns into a friendly text editor (not a 
word-processor). When I do it I get some kind of 'tab' character that I 
need to globally remove (search and replace all). I've highlighted it in 
the top left of this screenshot.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QjPOY0TnAtE/VV_xJNeyrQI/BAA/fY9NcKgSZtM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-23%2Bat%2B1.08.06%2Bpm.png
Then I add opening and closing square brackets and save it as .json

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-79r35DvmyBQ/VV_xVzPCVGI/BAI/UpgR6pCPHqM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-23%2Bat%2B1.08.34%2Bpm.png
Drag it into TW and it appears like a regular import.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eFuxd_WxrIA/VV_xn2APjSI/BAQ/oKPJ7fFkhTY/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-23%2Bat%2B1.18.01%2Bpm.png
NB: if there's anything wrong with your json, you get a big red warning but 
nothing breaks - but use a backup, obviously.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] sorting of tagged tiddlers when tag is clicked

[Richard Smith]

Hi Michele,

The tag-tiddlers are treated the same as other tiddlers, so they can 
contain their own content, so putting your filter into the text field of a 
tag-tiddler will render the list correctly there, but it won't have any 
effect on the filter expression inside the tag-template. As you say, the 
list field does affect the order of the list but there's no great way to 
populate it automatically - you can use the taglist plugin to re-order the 
list by dragging and dropping and this will populate the list for you but 
it still seems like overkill to be manually managing this at all when you 
have the info to do it automatically.

The second method seems to be ok, as far as I know. When you edit the 
.../TagTemplate tiddler you are creating a copy of it that takes precedence 
over the version in the core - if the tag template gets updated in the 
future you won't see the change because you'll still be using your own copy 
but that's not likely to be a big problem.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Unable to save

[Richard Smith]

Download it at home and take it to work on a thumb-drive? Try it with a 
proper browser (can you email it home to yourself?) Try running portable 
firefox http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
Try the stable release instead of the pre-release?

Can you save files that are emailed to you? I'll email you a blank 
tiddlywiki if that will help.

NB: I just tried this - went to tiddlywiki.com, view-source, copy all, 
paste into text editor, save as .html, open with firefox = broken 
tiddlywiki (javascript error) .ie; I don't think you can copy the text out 
in this way and get a working file

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[tw] Re: [TW5] List filter help

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jon,

I get it now, thanks - so the issue is how to keep track of which tags 
belong to which set-of-tags. You can use tags for that too, by tagging the 
tag-tiddlers. So the tiddlers mammal, reptile etc. are tags themselves and 
their corresponding tag-tiddlers are each tagged with 'class' to indicate 
that these tags belong to the set-of-tags 'class'. Then you can list the 
class-tags like this

$list filter=[tag[animal]tags[]tag[class]]
 $transclude tiddler=$:/core/ui/TagTemplate/ 
 /$list


Clumsy explanation, sorry - an 
example https://www.dropbox.com/s/nllpqejn2q4mj4j/exampleforjon.html?dl=0

Regards,
Richard

PS: I was initially tempted to suggest using a separate field for each of 
these sets-of-tags. Although you may have to re-create some of the tag-like 
behaviour, I think it gives you much nicer record-structure in the end - I 
suppose it depends how big/serious your project is.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] [[prettylink|{{!!field}}]] ..how?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mat,

You can do it like this $link to={{!!field}}text/$link or put that in a 
macro (pl = pretty-link)

\define pl(text)
 $link to={{!!field}}$text$/$link
 \end


and use if like this pl some text

or like this

\define pl(text field)
 $link to={{!!$field$}}$text$/$link
 \end


and use it like this pl text field

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[tw] Re: [TW5] trying to understand list filter

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jon,

I agree - that's weird - if I leave out the name of a tag altogether from 
the brackets, 

$list filter=[tags[]!is[system]![]sort[title]]
 $transclude tiddler=$:/core/ui/TagTemplate/ 
 /$list


there are still tiddlers removed from the list.

You can achieve your goal like this

$list filter=[!tag[About]tags[]!is[system]sort[title]]
 $transclude tiddler=$:/core/ui/TagTemplate/ 
 /$list


but the puzzle remains

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[tw] Re: [off topic] Why English sucks as the language for international and scientific communication

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jeremy,

I agree it was a very interesting article. I've always felt slightly 
ashamed of not having learned another language properly, but now I feel 
quite proud of myself for just being able to make sense out this gibberish.

Everything the writer says rings true, and it's a very well written piece, 
but I still found myself wanting to stick up for English. Yes, it is indeed 
a very silly language, and riddled with ambiguities and foibles but it's 
malleability is also a creative strength, allowing a necessary element of 
chaos into our thought process. I think it's fun that new words are created 
all the time - dongle, widget, tiddler and that we can convey meaning even 
by using words that aren't really even words I intend to wikify this 
content and then these words stick if they're useful enough.

Of course, the great variety also means that it's possible to write 
technically correct English which is practically impossible to make sense 
of and the burden of clarity falls on the writer to make him- or herself 
understood. The links about Simplified Technical English are very 
interesting and it's certainly worth thinking about in terms of our 
documentation. Having translators seems a great asset in this respect 
because if something is difficult to translate into another language, it 
may suggest there is something ambiguous about the English original.

I was a bit confused by this paragraph of the piece:

If we hear the story told the previous week was true, even though it is, 
*technically*, syntactically ambiguous, we know that it should be 
interpreted as ‹the story [that] was told [during] the previous week› was 
true, not the story told [≈said] ‹[that] the previous week was true›. 
(Unless the context calls for it: Ada's story was stirring something in my 
mind: I had lived so many lies and falsehoods, but not last week—no, last 
week was different, Ada's words revealed something that I had not dared to 
hope: these days were not a lie, Ada's words said to me—the story told the 
previous week was true.)

The writer appears to be suggesting that, in the context of this couching 
paragraph, the last sentence would be read to mean the story told [≈said] 
‹[that] the previous week was true› but I wouldn't read it that way 
because it doesn't do enough to dissuade me from the most natural form. I 
think a modern English writer would, at least, add that - ie; the story 
told *that* the previous week was true, to avoid the confusion.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] creating new tiddlers silently?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jed,

Thanks from me also for the explanation. I wasn't paying attention when I 
tried it - sorry James.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Best handling of sorting section numbers?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Michael,

There is a widget here http://eucaly-tw5.tiddlyspot.com/ called match 
filter that lets you extract pieces of fields. At first I thought I could 
use it to solve your problem but once you've extracted the pieces and 
sorted them, there's no way to relate them to the original tiddler-titles 
they were extracted from.

The best I could think of was that you could use it to set the chapter and 
subchapter fields automatically. I made an example 
here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/tiddlywiki%20%288%29.html

At the moment you have to click a button to set the fields for each tiddler 
but I think Jed can show us how to do it all with a single click in 5.1.8.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] creating new tiddlers silently?

[Richard Smith]

I think you *can* combine those two lines, like this

$action-setfield $tiddler=MyTemplate 
title=MyNewTitle firstname=FirstName lastname=LastName/

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Re: [tw] Re: tc-vertical not working

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

I suspect you have something like this - note the space between the quotes

tabs [tag[About]] tc-vertical 

This namesas the tiddler in which state should be stored and so you 
get your *--1202157337 *when the qualifier is added.

The issue with pdfs not being displayed inline on your G4 is, I think, a 
browser issue - t might be that the browser can't render them inline or 
that in needs to be enabled (I suspect the former)

The tab not being set correctly to begin with could be related to the issue 
above or, as Eric said, a conflict between different nestings of the tabs 
macro, which you should also be able to fix by setting a name for the state 
tiddler. If I was you, I'd make a test tiddler with a very simple name and 
content and try to set that as the default to begin with.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] the Bible in json

[Richard Smith]

I know you've probably already got one, but in case you don't, here's a 
copy of the old-testament, built using filters from the individual verses.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/kjv.html

I think I found the easiest way to get stuff out of a spreadsheet into TW.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uJjv290xbSI/VRVifJFLxnI/A-0/pYqkq8IxkLo/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-03-28%2Bat%2B12.15.47%2Bam.png
By adding columns to mock-up a json file and then copying that into a 
text-editor

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4DskvI83QLw/VRVi7qkfNVI/A-8/4z7-Xnk-1mg/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-03-28%2Bat%2B12.16.46%2Bam.png
Save it as .json and drag it in to TW

The file is ~7mb and isn't quick, but the drop in performance isn't what 
one might fear. The wiki contains ~23,000 tiddlers. The original 
spreadsheet files are 
here: http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/file/king_james_bible/


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[tw] Macbeth (The Scottish Wiki)

[Richard Smith]

I'm sure we can all agree that the real tragedy of Macbeth is that it's 
never before been published in wikitext.

This oversight is now remedied :)  -  http://macbeth.didaxy.net/

I have been playing with re-building texts from their constituent 
micro-content and it occurred to me that plays are a perfect candidate for 
this method because of the way they're structured. In fact. when you think 
about how play-scripts are used by different people, you can start to 
imagine how doing this might be very useful. For example, it should be 
possible to tag the individual lines with their time-stamps in different 
recorded performances. Actors and directors can add notes to the individual 
lines. Lists of stage directions can be easily extracted. c.

I can imagine an edition of tiddlywiki that let's one import a play script 
and provides a suite of tools to help with common tasks such as learning 
one's lines etc.

I took the script into tiddlywiki via a spreadsheet and a mail-merge 
kludge. I got the text from 
here: 
http://sydney.edu.au/engineering/it/~matty/Shakespeare/texts/tragedies/macbeth 
but lined up the line-numbering with the open-source version 
here: http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/

In my research for this, I also came across the 'text encoding 
initiative' http://www.tei-c.org/index.xml which defines a very granular 
markup for texts. Presumably someone could write a parser to bring these 
into TW automagically.

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[tw] Re: tc-vertical not working

[Richard Smith]

Hi Scrutiny,

The class needs to be the fourth parameter. Try this;

tabs [tag[About]]tc-vertical


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[tw] Re: Promoting Tiddlyclip

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mario,

OK. I suspected it was a bit too futuristic :) I toned it down. If you or 
anyone else wants to play around with the SVGs, you can use google's editor 
here: 
http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn-history/r1771/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html#move_down
 
- you can just copy-paste the SVG code straight out of and back into TW.

@Mat - I also think it's a shame about the same-window limitation on 
Firefox. I just tried the chrome extension and, as I suspected, it works 
between different windows. Because of TiddlyFox, of course, FF is generally 
prefered. Maybe one of the gurus can tell us whether the limitation in FF 
can potentially be worked around or whether it's permanent.

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:33:00 PM UTC+11, PMario wrote:

 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 4:06:08 AM UTC+1, Richard Smith wrote:

 So, I was wondering if we could work together to highlight the benefits 
 of TC and TW to the world - perhaps by creating a page together that 
 promotes the use of the tools to people who haven't used them before. We 
 can make it look good and improve the documentation etc. To that end I was 
 playing around with some graphics that might work:

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/tiddlyclip_docu.html 


 Nice idea, but please make the bakground less aggressive, so you can read 
 the text. 
  .. It fries my eyes ;)
 -m


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[tw] Promoting Tiddlyclip

[Richard Smith]

Hi All,

1. I love TiddlyClip by BJ. I think it's a great extension and a real 
selling point for TiddlyWiki as a whole.

2. We have a great community here and I think we should work together to 
help Jeremy promote TiddlyWiki to the wider world if only because, by doing 
so, we ensure it's continued good health in the future for our own benefit. 
We're not all programmers, but it does seem that those of us who aren't 
bring with us our own useful skills.

So, I was wondering if we could work together to highlight the benefits of 
TC and TW to the world - perhaps by creating a page together that promotes 
the use of the tools to people who haven't used them before. We can make it 
look good and improve the documentation etc. To that end I was playing 
around with some graphics that might work:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/tiddlyclip_docu.html 

The idea is obviously to use motovun jack as a recurring theme - I like the 
'dotted outline' but I wasn't too thrilled by putting scissors through poor 
jack!

Caveat: I cringe a bit in making a post like this. I'm not suggesting that 
I myself have any notable web-skills and I'm certainly not suggesting that 
there is anything 'wrong' with TiddlyClip as it stands or the current 
documentation. My intention is only to offer to help and to find areas 
where we can work together to help Jeremy and the project as a whole.

Obviously I'd especially like to know what BJ thinks of my idea if he's 
around but I'd appreciate feedback from anybody else too.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Embedding audio

[Richard Smith]

Hi Chris,

I downloaded a sample from here http://soundbible.com/1778-Cow-Moo.html and 
was able to drag it into TW (chrome, mac-os) with no problem.

If keyboards are more your thing, you can also get it in there using the 
import button in the tools menu of the sidebar.

The unsaved-wiki warning suggests that you are dropping the file onto the 
wrong part of the page and the browser is trying to navigate to it - you 
should see a green bar at the top of the page which is the 'dropzone' for 
importing files by drag, aim for that.

It doesn't appear that .m4a files are supported and I managed to crash 
chrome by dragging one in, big files will slow TW down too much - the 
documentation for audio files does seem to be in need of improvement.

Hope that helps a bit. What is your project?

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 12:06:38 PM UTC+11, Chris Jordan wrote:

 Jed

 You use a _canonical_uri field. 

 There are some details here 
 http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Embedding%20Audio


 Thanks, but that says a _canonical_uri is for external files.

 Re embedding files, I see only: 

 Similar to embedding images 
 http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Embedding%20Images%20-%20External%20Images 
 you 
 have have audio added to the wiki file by dragging and dropping the audio 
 file into the browser, 

 Can it really be that audio embedding requires a mouse? I.e. cannot by 
 done by keyboard? On Chromes here, CTRL+C, CTRL+V doesn't succeed.

 And in fact here (Chrome), the mouse operation doesn't work either. I get

 You have unsaved changes in TiddlyWiki
 Are you sure you want to leave this page?


 http://i.imgur.com/SSx50lo.png

 Also you can get a link to a specific tiddler by clicking on the down 
 arrow in the top right corner of the tiddler and clicking on permalink,  
 the browser url will then be for that tiddler. This may save you some time.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Generic Search and Replace and a Table Making tool

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jed,

Thanks so much for everything you've been doing lately. When 5.1.8 comes 
out I'm going to take a full day to explore all of your threads and find 
out what great new things I can do.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Formatting imported text files

[Richard Smith]

I am trying to do similar things with LaTeX documents and am exploring 
Pandoc scripting (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/scripting.html), which 
seems quite powerful in the kinds of conversions it can make. I think I 
should be able to write a filter that augments one of the existing 
conversions (to markdown?) to generate wikitext instead.

Stephen Kimmel's visual editor (http://tw5editor.tiddlyspot.com/ 
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5editor.tiddlyspot.com%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNHOUIuZXMU-OPNdc_Jrp77TC17bxA)
 is 
also very useful - especially the split and transclude option, which I have 
also been playing with.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins SocialCalc + Three.js

[Richard Smith]

This is great, thanks very much for sharing. The list of things I have to 
learn about is growing so quickly!

Regards,
richard

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[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jon,

Sorry. I moved it into a sub-directory along with some others, the direct 
link is 
now 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/Books/Active_Calculus_v0.1.html.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] TW for presentation?

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

The down-arrow to navigate to the next slide is made by 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/next which you can just import.

You can add background colors by tags if you prefer to do it that way - 
make a stylesheet and add

div.tc-tagged-pink {
background-color: pink;
}

...any tiddlers tagged pink will have a pink background. I used this 
technique to make this website www.didaxy.net, which includes transparent 
and semi-transparent tiddlers to make a scroll-effect against the page 
background.

The text is aligned in this section of the punch theme base tiddler

body.tc-body .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-body { text-align: center; 
 max-width: 850px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: -70px; 
 }


Regards,
Richard

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:07:12 PM UTC+11, Handoko Suwono wrote:

 Have loaded the punch theme by making a new tiddler and $tagged. I'm 
 not importing, only that it hasn't showup in the plugins list in the 
 control panel. But it works. 

 Not sure if I know where the 'down arrow' is in the punch theme. 

 I want to add coloring since those won't show-up. 

 I also want to remove the text centering feature in the punch theme. 

 Handoko - 

 On 3/10/15, Jon five...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  Hi, 
  
  I've imported the Punch theme and switched to Classic view - looks 
 really 
  good - but how do I create the down arrow in the top left of the screen 
 to 
  allow scrolling of complete pages? 
  
  Thanks, 
  Jon 
  
  On Tuesday, 10 March 2015 03:10:02 UTC, Handoko Suwono wrote: 
  
  Hi Richard, 
  
  Yes I am using the latest v5.17 and still working on how to include 
  the punch theme. And also want to make the fonts larger or it might 
  have included in the punch theme. 
  
  Handoko - 
  
  
  
  
  On 3/10/15, Richard Smith richardwil...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
   Hi Handoko, 
   
   The list of slides is set in the default tiddlers pane of the control 
  panel 
   
   (open the sidebar using the chevrons at the top and click the 'gear' 
  icon) 
   
   TalkyTalky is currently v5.1.3 so you may want to update it. 
   
   The overall look of the wiki is set by the 'punch' theme, which you 
 can 
   
   find in the plugins tab of the control panel. 
   
   Regards, 
   Richard 
   
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Re: [tw] Re: Recent Timeline: node.js behaviour is unexpected

[Richard Smith]

Hi Alex,

It depends quite what you're after. This;

$list filter=[!is[system]!sort[modified]first[5]]
 /$list


lists the last 5 modified tiddlers

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[tw] Re: education.tw.com

[Richard Smith]

 @Peter - I feel like there were actually a bunch of tools around 5 years 
 ago that never got the attention that they deserved. I haven't played with 
 TiddlyMap yet but it looks great. The ability to move backwards and 
 forwards between a mind-map and a wiki of the same information is very 
 tantalising.

 @Alex, wow! I agree - both look excellent. Really detailed and slick 
 navigation. Thanks very much for the recommendations.
 Keep them coming!

 @Alberto - Hi! I'm very pleased that you're interested. I love your 
 project and think it can be useful to many people - I expect it will have a 
 prominent place on the portal and I can't wait to see how it develops over 
 time. Of course, the portal is not 'mine' but 'ours' and I hope we will be 
 able to work together to make it into a showcase for all the fantastic work 
 that people are doing. Please let me know if there is anything that I can 
 do to help you with your projects or if you have any other suggestions.


Regards,
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[tw] Re: Recent Timeline: node.js behaviour is unexpected

[Richard Smith]

Hi Alex,

I just played with this and it seems the output is not quite as expected - 
it seems to list the last 'n' tiddlers AND any other tiddlers with the same 
date as the last one.

If you have been editing your wiki often, it will list everything from at 
least the last day. You can see this behaviour at tw.com by trying 
different values for 'n' eg;

$macrocall $name=timeline limit=3 
 format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}}/


will return 4 results.

ps: I just noticed that it does actually say this in the description of the 
macro 

Note that the timeline macro does not truncate the entries for a 
particular day, instead always displaying all the tiddlers under each 
displayed day heading. This means that the limit parameter works in an 
unexpected way because it is possible for more than the specified number of 
tiddlers to be displayed.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] TW for presentation?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Handoko,

You should be able to start from this http://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/

Regards,
Richard

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 3:49:04 PM UTC+11, Handoko Suwono wrote:

 Sorry not to browse through because of my net.

 Is there any theme or included for TW5 that is ready for presentation?

 I found the followings but the latest is from 2007 and for classical TW.

 - New to TW and a simple solution to a presentation problem (2007)
 - step-wise presentation mode desired (2006)
 - TW used for university assignment (2006)

 Can't get the links but can search in this TW list.

 Thanks.

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[tw] Re: education.tw.com

[Richard Smith]

Peter,

Thanks for the suggestions - I've added Daniel Riggins' site to the list 
and will check out Scalar in more detail - sounds very interesting.

Regards,
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[tw] education.tw.com

[Richard Smith]

Hi All,

At Jeremy's invitation, I am putting together materials for a tiddlywiki 
in education portal, to eventually be hosted under the main site and 
addressing the particular use-cases found in education.

I'd really appreciate any feedback or input you might have about the site 
itself or the content that should appear on it.

I've made a template for the site here;

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/education.tw.com.html

Please feel free to edit it and publish it back at me with any improvements 
you would like to make in terms of function or form. I've also included a 
community consultation section listing some areas for discussion - I'd be 
really happy to get any feedback or contributions you'd like to make - 
either here in the forum or via wiki.

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: For Hire

[Richard Smith]

Hi Gabriel,

Yes, of course. Let me know how you go.

Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 12:36:18 PM UTC+11, Gabriel Franklin wrote:

 Wow!

 Thank you so much!

 I will play around with what you set-up for me. It may take a few days (or 
 more).

 Could I email you directly for further guidance?

 Thanks for your help it's very much appreciated.

 On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Richard Smith richardwil...@gmail.com 
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 Hi Gabriel,

 I'll help you do this, if I can. Take a look at this for starters: 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/forGabriel.html

 Regards,
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[tw] Re: Illness

[Richard Smith]

Oh dear! That's no fun. Hope you feel better soon!

Regards,
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[tw] Re: For Hire

[Richard Smith]

Hi Gabriel,

I'll help you do this, if I can. Take a look at this for 
starters: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/forGabriel.html

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Special fields: caption, list, - any more?

[Richard Smith]

It seems like you can just do this at tw.com to list all the fields that 
are being used.
 

 $list filter=[fields[]]

 /$list


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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to export image files

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jon,

I think the easiest thing to do seems to be to right click the rendered 
image and 'save as' - you'll probably need to rename them - and then delete 
the tiddlers. I agree the export options are confusing - there may be an 
easier way to get multiple images out and, if not, maybe there should be.

Regards,
Richard

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:40:56 PM UTC+11, Jon wrote:

 Hi,

 I want to remove some embedded .jpg images from my wiki but I don't want 
 to delete the files. Dragging  dropping doesn't work and the export 
 options aren't obvious.
 Any ideas?

 Thanks,
 Jon.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] will the search get quicker?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jon,

I hope you understand that I'm not trying to 'defend' TW, but just to help 
you/us see if there is a problem of some kind that needs fixing. 

The same file I mentioned has 727 svg images but only 5 jpg, so certain 
file types could be an issue, I suppose. 

You can get a copy of the file I mentioned 
here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/Active_Calculus_v0.1.html 
which might help to determine whether it's your file or your set-up that's 
slowing things down.

Regards,
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[tw] Bittorrent Sync

[Richard Smith]

I haven't tried this myself yet but it seems to offer an interesting 
alternative to other file-hosting services for those wanting to move their 
files around from machine to machine or share them with other 
people: 
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/02/how-to-ditch-dropbox-and-sync-files-with-bittorrent-sync/

The principle limitation in sharing files with others is that one of your 
machines needs to be actually on but it also seems possible to set this up 
on a NAS, for example.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Transclusion of field name inside a backticks ` code block

[Richard Smith]

Hi Nicola,

I'm not a developer but I think PMario's answer 
here 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/monspaced%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/PUqv7MrUOiU/4f81KUB3dX8J
 
may be relevant - I think you need to define your own code style so that 
wikitext doesn't get suppressed, as it is by the standard mechanism. To use 
references as part of hyperlinks I think you need to use the $link macro 
instead of wikitext.

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[tw] Re: Invitation to TiddlyPip: an Apple App Store experiment

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jeremy,

This is very interesting.

Did you see the maths textbook that I posted a link to 
recently? 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/Tiddlywiki/math/tiddlywiki/ZwPkUCfDzqI/xWOCz0LrZ9QJ

I am interested in the possibility of deploying content like this in the 
app store, but it's open-source content and so the apps would be free - at 
least the basic content would be free, although I'm open to exploring the 
possibility of developing augmented versions of these books and/or 
discussing with the original authors the possibility of raising a small 
amount of revenue to cover development costs.

Nevertheless, you project is very interesting in general - I can think of 
several potential commercial applications, depending on where it leads.

individual shares of the startup costs would be relatively small.


How small is small? That's the million(?) dollar question :)

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Richard Smith]

Hi @PMario


 OK. I see. ... but imo I've seen some tiddlers, that only contained half a 
 sentence or a headline. ... So imo half a sentence without context looses 
 its meaning. ... So may be in the second step .. some mergers would be 
 helpful. .. but that's just my opinion. 
  


At the moment it's kludged together chapter by chapter but headings got 
their own tiddlers because I figure it should really be organised into 
sections that way and I eventually want to be able to re-name and/or tag 
the tiddlers appropriately.

There are some little sentences that join equations - things like such 
that or it follows that. I could have bound these fragments to the 
equations they precede but I wanted each equation to stand alone. There are 
also a few fragments that aren't currently rendered at all - for example 
their will eventually be model solutions to many of the exercises.

 

 One thing I imagine being able to do, for example, is for a student to be 
 able to click to say this is the paragraph/equation I don't understand 
 and having that information beamed to the teacher.


 That makes perfect sense.   But how do you manage to provide the 
 context for the teacher? Because imo s/he needs the surrounding text to 
 get the context or even the big picture, for the explanation. 


In that case I imagine the teacher will have her own 'master copy' of the 
same book which will show her where all of the students are having 
problems. 


 But anyway ... it's a very nice TW, with a lot of potential. .. I could 
 even think of much more tags to connect similar areas of knowledge. ... But 
 I didn't dig deep enough for this :)


Thankyou :) I agree that it should be possible to add much more 
semantically-meaningful tagging etc. As I said, this version is basically a 
nasty kludge to make something that looks about right.
 
Thanks for suggesting jsxgraph too, I'll take a look at it. I'd also like 
to figure out if it will be possible to embed Mathematica CDF's 
(http://www.wolfram.com/cdf/faq/embedding.html) 
- there is some code that needs to be gotten into the head of the 
document I believe. Any ideas?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: A TiddlyWiki Math(s) TextBook

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mat,
 

 One side-question that pops up (literally) is the automatic opening of a 
 parallel tab in my browser after a while, showing spam. Could this somehow 
 be from your wiki or dropbox??? 


 I have no idea, I'm afraid. I don't seem to be able to replicate it. Is it 
dropbox-related spam? I obviously don't want it to do that to other people, 
so thanks for letting me know. Could you give an indication of the content 
(screenshot or view source perhaps?). 

And thanks for your kind words.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Importing Wikipedia Dumps

[Richard Smith]

 The first response that pops off my synapses reading such a proposal is:
 *Why?* and again: *Why?*


Hi Tobias,

My goal is to package information to be accessible completely offline (in 
an environment where there is no possibility of an internet connection). I 
would like to curate a collection which is suitable for a target audience 
of young children and am also interested in taking foreign language 
materials and using them as a a starting-point for a personal learning wiki.

The fact that TW is 'stand-alone' is only one of the great things about it. 
The thing I like the most is that it's so easy to (re-)compose content (and 
also build custom UI) , which is why I find it interesting to use it as a 
container for largish data-sets.

One possibility, I guess, would be to adapt the idea of TiddlyClip so that 
it can be given a list of pages and then fetch the content for all of them 
in a systematic manner.

Thanks (all) for the useful suggestions

Regards,
Richard




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[tw] Importing Wikipedia Dumps

[Richard Smith]

Hi All. I'm wondering if anybody has tried importing (largish amounts of) 
wikipedia data into TiddlyWiki?

I can use BJ's excellent TiddlyClip to import individual pages but I wonder 
if there's a way to get larger chunks of wikipedia?

It's possible to download offline dumps of various Wikipedia projects 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download) but I'm not sure 
what the best format would be for getting the stuff into TW in a nice clean 
way. Any ideas?

Regards,
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[tw] Re: Importing Wikipedia Dumps

[Richard Smith]

OK. That was a bit lazy. I searched after I posted and found a similar 
recent thread. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/wikipedia/tiddlywiki/BefZrA4BpqQ/-XLsXOaav5wJ

I'll contextualise my question a little better.

I have recently been corresponding with someone who works for the Wikipedia 
Offline Content Generator project (
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Offline_content_generator) and I want to ask 
him if it's possible to add a widget/filter (?) to get content in a 
TiddlyWiki-friendly format. What should I ask for? :)

Regards,
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[tw] Re: Add side bar content? (tabs)

[Richard Smith]

Hi,

In addition to Birthe's suggestion, if you look at the tiddler 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#TableOfContentsMacro you can see specifically how 
the table of contents is actually generated. You'll see it has the tag 
$:/tags/SideBar which is what makes it appear in the sidebar.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Tiddler Size

[Richard Smith]

Hi Rich,

One way to do it is to import your wiki to a node.js (TW) instance. Then 
you can browse the tiddlers in your filesystem.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

[Richard Smith]

I read that - but it doesn't make sense when you look at the behaviour of 
the negated example.

Why is there a way to AND the tag-filter with NOT the list but there isn't 
a way to AND it with the list.

Also, I don't really understand why it would be useful to replace the whole 
list as part of a filter expression.

Also, I wasn't trying to solve a particular problem, but to contribute to a 
discussion, in response to Olivier's post, which would help me to better 
understand the filter syntax.

Also, the way you ask why do you expect that when... is quite rude and 
I've noticed you doing this to people repeatedly. I'd rather you just 
didn't answer, if you're going to talk to me like I'm an idiot, to be 
honest.

Regards,
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

[Richard Smith]

Hi all,

With regards the Philosophy of Tiddlers 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#:%5B%5BPhilosophy%20of%20Tiddlers%5D%5D.

I read some of Tobias' and Jeremy's recent conversations about sections in 
Tiddlers. Although I don't understand some of the complexities, I do think 
the goal of 'smallest semantically meaningful' is a good one. It's also 
true that splitting a long tiddler into multiple smaller ones when those 
smaller ones will never appear anywhere else adds little value for the 
necessary work.

With regards to the documentation specifically then, how should we think 
about, for example Introduction to Filters 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#:%5B%5BIntroduction%20to%20Filters%5D%5D - should 
it be split into ~13 different tiddlers and those tiddlers then re-combined?

Regards,
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[tw] Re: ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

[Richard Smith]

Hi Stephan,

I'm sorry if you genuinely don't understand that the language construction 
you used can be interpreted as confrontational. Perhaps you could have a 
think about why that might be the case. 

WHY I expected different behaviour was pretty clear in the difference 
between the examples that I gave and I think Jeremy's answer implies that 
the documentation for this feature does need to be updated to make clear 
that the list filter operator behaves differently when it is negated and 
that when combining it with other operators it should be at the start of 
the expression in order to behave as expected (yes, by me).

Hopefully you will be able to find a 'middle ground' in future between 
ignoring me and talking to me like an idiot, as much of what you've posted 
here has been useful for me.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: ListField seems expect distinct values in the list

[Richard Smith]

Hmmm

That isn't what I expected either

If I go to Tiddlywiki.com and put this in a tiddler

$list filter=[list[]]

 

/$list


and give it a 'list' field 'A B A C' - not only is the second A not 
rendered, but when the edit is saved, it gets removed from the list 
altogether.

And also... it seems to me like the list filter operator (which I haven't 
really used before now) doesn't work as expected in another way.

If I change my list field to A B C Acknowledgements and then do this;

$list filter=[tag[About]] +[list[]]

 

/$list


I would expect to get all the tiddlers with the tag 'About' WHICH ARE ALSO 
in the list, ie; just 'Acknowledgements', but I get the full list from the 
field.

On the other hand if I negate the list operator

$list filter=[tag[About]] +[!list[]]

 

/$list


I get what I would expect, which is all the tiddlers with the tag 'About' 
which AREN'T in the list.

This is confusing, but at least I've found something I can help to document 
(once I understand what's going on myself!)

Regards,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Richard Smith]

Thanks Alex, That's really interesting.

Widening the bandwidth carries both risks and opportunities, and only you 
 can decide if it's something you might want to pursue. 
 Part of the risk is this: Possibly what has kept this community so civil 
 is the narrowness of its focus. It's hard to get personal when you're 
 talking about plugins and uploads.


TiddlyWiki is such an interesting tool because we each use it for personal 
projects and, I think, often things which are quite important to us.

It's also interesting that even though Jeremy built it, even he doesn't 
know everything it can do. It's like having a Swiss-army knife where 
someone finds a new tool every week that we didn't know we had.

In terms of easing adoption for new users, one possibility would be to 
consider a loose notion of tiered-learning. There are a number of basic 
concepts needed to use TW as a personal wiki and note-store. The next tier 
might be use of tags, lists, macros. The next tier might be templates and 
interface customisation.

Personally I have never really been into joining internet communities - I 
can find enough snarky, judgemental people in the real world if I ever want 
to - but I really like the TW community. It would be very interesting to 
know more about what people use it for.

I'm using it to write textbooks for high-school kids, how about you?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

[Richard Smith]

+1

@PMario

... as long as also every other non programming and programming community 
member contributes to the documentation improvement. 

Hi Mario,

Is there any chance we could coordinate this effort somehow? I am happy to 
lend my time to the project but I'm a bit unsure as to where to start. Some 
of the improvements I would like to make don't involve re-writing the text 
of individual tiddlers but re-arranging and adding tiddlers to make things 
clearer.

For example - GettingStarted really just contains information about 
downloading and saving on different platforms whereas I think this could be 
moved to a tiddler called Downloading and Saving and getting started 
could be a much less imposing list. 1. Download TW   2. Create some 
content and check that you can save it   3. Explore the Basic editing 
features

The other problem I'd like to address is how we give people more relevant 
results from the search box. For example, I'm a new user who's figured out 
basic linking and tagging and now I'd like to make some lists. If I type 
'list' into the search box it doesn't help me much to find what I'm looking 
for.

Perhaps we could have a 'docs' edition with some extra magic in it to 
prioritise content according to relevance. For example, we would put the 
ListWidget tiddler at the top of the above search results.

If you have seen something specific that you think can be improved in the 
docs, perhaps we could work on it together?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Richard Smith]

Hi Mat,

Thanks for coming back with humour and good grace. I've not been involved 
in the hangouts before now, fearing also to make a fool of myself live on 
air :) Perhaps now would be a good time to start (though the time 
difference to Australia probably means I'll need a lot of coffee to 
participate).

I hope that in the future, we non-developers will be able to find more 
practical ways to help Jeremy out and support the development of TiddlyWiki 
by addressing these and other issues.

The point you make about plugins being 'trustworthy' and that some people 
might consider installing one akin to installing a dubious phone-app is an 
interesting one. Perhaps one of the things that we can emphasise to people 
is a way of working with TiddlyWikis in general - ie; creating many backups 
and alternative versions, trying things out in a dummy wiki and then 
bringing them across to your production wiki, different procedures for 
automatically backing up tiddlers etc.

I don't pretend to understand half of what TW can do myself, but the things 
I can already do with it would be of use to many, many people and I share 
your excitement about getting the word out and building a strong community.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Richard Smith]

 Hi Mat. I'm not a developer, but I am a daily user of TW. I really think 
it's amazing stuff and I think it's awesome that Jeremy has given it away 
for free to the world whilst devoting so much of his time to developing it. 

I'm sure you don't mean to sound harsh in pointing out it's flaws, but I 
think it's important to remember that the old version of TW still exists 
and the new one has only been out of beta for a short while and relies 
entirely on the good will of volunteers for its continued existence.

The things you point out are perhaps things that all open-source projects 
suffer from to some extent. At least TW is useful enough, to enough people, 
that we have a chance of solving some of them together over time. Here are 
some of my suggestions about how we might address these issues, when we 
find the time.


- Add-ons (plugins, tweaks, themes...) - difficult to find or (more 
likely) even know they exist

  There aren't many plugins at the moment, when there are more it will make 
sense to have places where they are listed and discussed. I think there is 
already a site hosted by one of the group members that plans to do 
something like this and also allow users to build an initial wiki by 
choosing plugins from a list.


- No quality assurance of add-ons

 If any of the add-ons you download don't work, I will personally give you 
back your money ;)  


- Lacking documentation

 We all need to help with this. I keep threatening to help, but documenting 
TW is really difficult. I find that I can only see what's wrong with the 
documentation when I can't find out how to do something. When I go looking 
to improve explanations of things I know how to do, I can't find anything 
wrong with what's there.

The biggest issue for me with trying to find information in tiddlywiki.com 
is that the search lacks context. I think it might be a good idea to take 
the docs out of the main website altogether so that people don't expect to 
be able to use it as such. Instead the website can function as a 
shop-window for what can be done with the software and the 'complicated 
wiring' can be hidden elsewhere.

Also - Eric Shulman is seeking support to write a manual 
- https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual . 
I'm going to donate as a Christmas present to myself and hope other people 
will too. 


- The aggregated knowledge from discussions relies on 3d part system 
not optimized for us

 I agree that Google-groups is not very friendly or beautiful. What are 
some of the alternatives we could use. Let's brainstorm... 


- Little insight into what attracts new users

 Do you mean for them or us? IMO anybody who goes looking for a personal 
wiki or micro-contnent management system will find TW. The fact that it can 
do so many things makes it difficult to explain just how awesome it is.


- Little insight of user needs, tw applications, behaviors etc

 TW can be used in so many different ways that it's difficult to pin down. 
Who hasn't got insight? You? Jeremy? The users?


- Challenging to get tiddlyverse overview (resources, applications, 
options, services, people...)



- Demanding learning curve for customization

 How does this learning curve compare to other software? How hard is it to 
customise the UI and back-end functionality of your second-favourite 
program? Can Word be turned into a web-server? Can Evernote become an 
interactive novel?


- Too few developers (I'm just assuming this is always an issue)

 TiddlyWiki is very complicated. Presumably the overlap between people with 
sufficient skills, sufficient time and sufficient motivation to contribute 
to the core is quite small. By building the community over time, we will 
increase the potential pool of new developers. 

As I say, I'm sure you didn't mean to sound discouraging and only want to 
contribute to making TW better for everybody. Perhaps it would be a good 
idea to pick one area that you think we should focus on and suggest some 
practical steps we can take?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Plugins We Use

[Richard Smith]

In response to Mat's suggestion on another thread 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg) I thought 
it might be helpful to share the plugins that I am using and what I am 
using them for and thought maybe you would like to do the same.

I am using:

1) $:/plugins/bj/tiddlyclip

Makes TW the most useful web-research tool around by letting you clip text 
and links to images straight into your TW. Works with multiple TW's. You 
can customise the way that content is imported - eg; the title and tags it 
gets, the format of the tiddler. You can have multiple actions set up to 
bring content in in different formats.

2) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex

Renders math equations with the khan academy latex thingy. I swapped from 
using the mathjax plugin for better support. Katex itself is in development 
but support is very good. Equations from many places on the web render 
correctly without modification. (I have modified the tiddlyclip template to 
add $$ ... $$ when I want to clip an equation directly)

3) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/markdown

I am experimenting with importing LaTeX documents and using markdown as an 
intermediate format.

4) $:/plugins/bj/taglist

This lets you re-order a list on a tag by dragging and dropping. I think 
the way I am using it is quite interesting. I have two tiddlers that render 
the same list - one of them renders a list of titles using taglist and the 
other transcludes the text of each tiddler in the list, in the same order. 
Dragging and dropping to reorder titles in the first list also changes the 
order of the transcluded tiddlers in the second list. I'm using this to 
build book sections from individual paragraphs.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Richard Smith]

Hi Danielo,

Thanks very much for posting this.

In my list I transclude the body of each tiddler like this

{{!!text}}

This works because currentTiddler is being set. If I change the list 
statement to include

 variable=item

how do I refer to the correct tiddler?

{{??!!text}} or some other way?

I hope there's a way because it would make my wiki much easier to 
understand if I could use variables as you suggest.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: OSCON 2012: Danny Hillis, The Learning Map

[Richard Smith]

Hi Tobias,

Thank you very much for your thoughts. 


 I believe Khan Academy provides an excellent example of this type of 
 integrated learning environment with much of the features as discussed by 
 Danny 
 Hillis in this talk. Of course, he seems to go a few steps further, talking 
 of something like an open protocol to which an institution like Khan 
 Academy would be but one node a student can hook up with, like a travel 
 agent for packaged vacations. ^_^ personally, I'm more of a guy going 
 places and discovering what's there, not much of a need or desire for all 
 the packaging, be that learning or traveling.


The khan academy is very good, in it's own way but yes, as you say, I feel 
they should be only one small piece of a vast ecosystem of 'vendors' who 
produce content against some sort of standard api. 

I'm sure you are perfectly capable of 'travelling' solo across the wilds of 
the internet unattended but I need to build a tool for children and there 
is still a need to curate and package that content for them, even though it 
should be unique for each child.



 I believe the greatest challenge in this networked knowledge approach is 
 the question of whether and how to unify and consolidate all the different 
 knowledge bits and their representation. Just as there are a bazillion 
 things to learn, there are a bazillion different ways to go about learning 
 supposedly the same thing, let alone representing that, not to mention the 
 mountains of people and institutions working on achieving exacly that, each 
 their own way.


I agree. The different ways of learning are often called 'modalities'. It 
seems pretty clear that we are not going to have too much trouble 
generating enough content but rather, as you say, the big problem will be 
how to find the most suitable content. The key to this, I think, is having 
sufficient metadata on the content. For example - not only how is it been 
tagged, but who tagged it that way? How much do I trust them? How closely 
does their 'learning style' match my own?
 


 This rather visual map through which to navigte with colored places for 
 all the things you've already managed to visit (and those you are about to) 
 very well shows what's kinda missing in this traditional school 
 environment... an approach where students have a way to look back and get a 
 feel for how individual progress bars they can fill depending on their 
 talents and interests rather than being forced up and down a supposedly 
 unified class curriculum.


I suspect you are of a 'learning type' similar to myself. My preferred 
approach, given the quality of most of my teachers, would have been for 
them to give me the books and a curriculum and tell me to come back at the 
end of the year for the exam. I would have learned much more at school 
without the distraction of all the 'lessons'. 
 


 Not sure if things like Common Core are all that helping. Maybe as a 
 guide, an entry point, but not so much as the holy grail of what's out 
 there to learn and how, especially seeing how some methods of teaching math 
 in it seem to be mindblowingly ridiculous.


The common core alone wouldn't be such a problem without the tyranny of 
standardised testing. The basic idea behind it, as far as I know, is to 
teach mathematical thinking ahead of rote facts but it's often being 
implemented by teachers who only know the old methods and the results are 
spectacularly ham-fisted. We will end up with some (more) very confused 
kids.

I think it will be possible to do away with group testing altogether when 
we have a trusted network against which people can validate their own 
progress. For example, if I have been taught French by my personal 'Digital 
Aristotle', it will already know, and will report honestly, how fluent I 
am, without the need to take a test.

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[tw] Re: A use case story: reading a text, annotating with questions, filtering with sufix

[Richard Smith]

I didn't say it was pretty :)

I was using it to break up text as I read it, in pretty much the way Alex 
described and then the bits I wanted to edit further, I would grab the text 
from the view and paste it over all the garbage in the edit window. It 
would only work for plain text. I know it's not classy - it's quick and 
dirty but sometimes dirty solutions are sufficient ;)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Very basic Zork-like game

[Richard Smith]

This is really great. Well done!

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] OSCON 2012: Danny Hillis, The Learning Map

[Richard Smith]

Hi TWers,

As you may know, I am very interested in educational (micro) content. I 
just came across this excellent talk by Danny Hillis which pretty much 
crystalises my own opinion about the kind of learning system that we need 
to build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcZ8ozCah0

I think that much of what he is describing can be achieved with TiddlyWiki

Regards,
Richard


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[tw] Re: OSCON 2012: Danny Hillis, The Learning Map

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jed,

It's an idea I've also been playing with for some time now. I've approached 
it lots of different ways and ended up with dozens and dozens of TWs that 
approach the problem in slightly different ways.

This is 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83055414/Linear%20Functions.html what 
I'm working on at the moment. It isn't anything like finished, so please 
don't judge it too harshly - hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.

There are many super-space-age things that I can imagine doing with TW in 
the future, but to begin with I am interested in offering an open-source 
alternative to traditional, proprietary text-books. I would like it to 
replace them based on merit, not price alone. This might seem a little 
mundane but I think it will offer a very good platform from which to then 
evolve towards a proper learning agent/AI whilst collecting input from 
teachers everywhere.

I'd be very interested to see what you made. Did you write original content 
or collect it from the web? Is it possible for others to re-use the content?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: A use case story: reading a text, annotating with questions, filtering with sufix

[Richard Smith]

 I cut and pasted a document into my TW. I then refactored it into tiddlers.


Hi Alex,

I have been doing similar things to this. I love the TiddlyClip plugin that 
BJ made (thanks BJ!). With it I can make 3 kinds of clips from wikipedia 
pages (for example) - I can clip text, pictures or equations (I have this 
one set up to add the katex tags).

If I bring in a whole piece of text from a document then I find it quite 
useful to be able to select a piece of text from the tiddler (in read mode, 
not edit mode) and drop it to create it as a new tiddler for 'import'. I 
can read through a piece, breaking it up as I go, whilst retaining the 
original til the end. (I think this 'feature' is actually annoying to some 
people and might be removed, but I have been using it :) )

I used to go mad for making links but now I am trying to do as much as 
possible with tags instead because it makes things easier to maintain.

I love of using the filter suffixes, thanks very much for sharing this.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] What are the barebones tiddlers

[Richard Smith]

Hi Andrew, 

Did you start with the 'empty' TW5 file, as downloadable from the 
'GettingStarted' tiddler? (http://tiddlywiki.com/#:GettingStarted)
I just downloaded a copy and it shows as being 1.2MB in size whereas the 
'full' version with the docs etc. is about 3MB.

Any tiddlers that appear to be part of the empty install are actually part 
of the core and I don't believe it's possible to delete them. If you choose 
to edit them, delete all the text and tag each with 'deleted', you're 
actually creating EXTRA tiddlers which sit over the top of, obscuring, the 
core tiddlers which are still there. This will naturally will make your 
file bigger, not smaller :)

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:56:54 AM UTC+11, infernoape wrote:


 Oops. It went before I put the subject line in.



 Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Touch

 andrew.j.harrison84 andrew.j@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
 I'm going to be transporting my stand alone tiddlywiki and I want to know 
 what I can remove to leave a barebones file. Since I still want to be able 
 to use the upgrade mechanism I have been removing text from tiddlers and 
 tagging them as deleted so they don't come back in when I upgrade but I am 
 worried I might break something. Is there a list of barebones tiddlers? I 
 wish I could see a graphical relationship of variables, classes, messages, 
 tags, etc.




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[tw] Re: [TW5] drop here or click escape to cancel

[Richard Smith]

I've noticed that the green bar seems to persist regardless of clicking 
escape. It used to be intermittent and now it seems to never go away 
(Firefox, standalone). 

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] New introductory video

[Richard Smith]

This is great! I'd really like to help out with documentation. I guess the 
right way to do that is through Github? Is there a brief explanation of how 
to do so somewhere? I'm not 'put off' by Github but it takes a bit of 
figuring out. I guess I fork the documentation, edit it and the do a 'pull 
request'. Is that right? Am I right in thinking that a 'pull request' (in 
general) means 'I made some changes and wondered if you like them?'

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Using the left side of the TW in centerlized theme

[Richard Smith]

 A little bit off topic. 


Agreed. Apologies.
 

 the server side backend seems to be closed source. At least I didn't find 
 any open source repositories. 


Tin-Can is an open reference standard. Although I don't have much 
experience of such things, I don't think it is too difficult to implement 
as it is basically just a restful json service. All of the current 
implementations are probably proprietary to the various bif platforms.


 The idea, to watch all students all the time, reads a little bit like 
 1984 to me. 


Yes. I know what you mean. But the implication behind such dystopian ideas 
has always been that 'the system' would remain a hierarchy with a central 
point of administration but I think the reality will be a distributed 
'flat' system over which everybody has equal influence.

The idea about a different relationship between student and teacher is 
 interesting and imo has potential. If both sides use the tools as tools 
 to check the actual status, to see what can be improved, we are fine. eg: 
 The teacher sees, that a student should also read a different type of 
 book, to broaden his/her view and suggests it. OK. ... 

 IMO centralised storage, protecting and misusing private data is the 
 problem here. I like the idea of TiddlyWiki very much, that you own your 
 data.


The notion I have is of creating a system in which every individual owns 
their own record and shares it with whoever they choose. The idea is to 
implement the Tin-Can API so that when the student is, for example, 
completing exercises in a TW-like personal document, they will choose where 
to have that doc 'report' to - which may be to their personal store as well 
as to the school's store. The same student may also, say, take swimming 
lessons and those results will be fed back to the personal store and to the 
store of the swimming team, but not to the school. One could take 
night-classes in embalming and keep it separate from other activities.

The data in the store has to be protected with 'blockchain' level 
authentication.
 

  

 Would the students be able to cheat? meh - it would become irrelevant 
 because there would be no tests to cheat on and no incentive for anybody to 
 'pretend' they had learned anything they hadn't. Pretty futuristic stuff, 
 of course, but maybe the future is not so far away?


 I think the problem is, how can we measure, if someone has learned 
 something.


By the fact that they can DO something.
 


 Let's say, that our tin-can tool records, that I did read all pages of 
 George Orwells novel 1984. Can we say, that I understand the implications 
 of a system described there. ... Or was it just the cat, that changed pages 
 while sleeping on the keyboard. (BTW: I was at the pub, having fun :)


The whole incentive to have someone else do your work for you would be gone 
if there were no tests to pass. There would literally be no incentive to 
pretend a higher level of proficiency in anything than you actually had 
because it would come to light later. If the system mistakenly records that 
you read all of 1984 and then three days later it gives you a random test 
and you don't get any answers right, it would realise something had gone 
awry. The information 'Mario read the book' isn't useful or interesting to 
anyone in isolation, but only as part of a huge picture which emerges of 
Mario as a learner and that information is primarily of use only to Mario 
(the system may recommend that next time, he does his reading earlier in 
the day!)
 


 ... IMO it can't be done by machines. A student presentation about the 
 topic, or better, 
 personal communication between the student and teacher about a specific 
 topic has to tell us. 


I am not suggesting that everything can be done by machines. What I imagine 
-although I realise that this will terrify most of the teaching workforce 
(many of who deserve it) - is that teaching, like all jobs, will involve 
more and more truly human skills - listening, empathy, encouragement - and 
much less of the machine work that it currently involves. eg; Instead of 
reading 50 essays every week to check for grammar and spelling errors, 
teachers will be freer to form meaningful relationships and have in depth 
discussions about narrative structure and the elements of persuasion etc.

Currently teachers do basically three things: they instruct, they coach and 
they assess. We're going to automatise most of instruction and assessment 
because we can and so, generally, the job of teaching will be increasingly 
about coaching - a task which can only be done by a real human being. This 
is a very good thing because it will put the teachers unambiguously on the 
side of the learners (instead of also having to be the 'judge').

The way the Tin-Can API can potentially ameliorate the problem of cheating 
(under current use-cases, not futuristic fantasies) is by effectively 
time-stamping interactions of the students' with their TiddlyWikis, making 

[tw] Re: Using the left side of the TW in centerlized theme

[Richard Smith]

Hi @PMario,

It's brainstorming what imo will be needed, to be allowed to base a 
students grade on TW content. 
And for students it would be possible to proof, that they did the manual 
work to create the content. 

This sounds interesting. I have also been thinking about things like this, 
from my technically limited perspective. I also agree with you that, 
basically, there will always be a way to 'trick the teacher' - which is no 
bad thing at all. Also, in general, I think there is always a way to beat 
DRM measures and such things, when the motivation exists.

Nevertheless, I imagine a system one day in which a student's learning - 
and the activities they undertake as part of their learning is all 'logged' 
in real-time against a server (have you heard of the Tin-Can API?). It'll 
be as if the teacher could watch all the students all the time, which I 
know sounds creepy, but it won't be because the whole relationship of 
teachers to students will change when they no longer have to administer 
testing. A radical idea? But if 'the system' knows about everything that a 
student does and learns, in real time, why would there be any need to sit 
tests or exams? Would the students be able to cheat? meh - it would become 
irrelevant because there would be no tests to cheat on and no incentive for 
anybody to 'pretend' they had learned anything they hadn't. Pretty 
futuristic stuff, of course, but maybe the future is not so far away?

@Atul

I'm really pleased that you are using TW with your students, I think it's 
an amazing brain-expanding tool for them to play with, but I smiled when I 
read;

most students will not be motivated enough to learn the technology.

In my (hard earned) experience of such things, it's only necessary for one 
of them to figure it out and therein lies all the motivation necessary, 
because the one who does will be a hero. Maybe you have nice, honest 
students, but I have found the temptation is great in teenagers. At several 
of the schools I have worked at I have come across students who had so much 
access to the school computer network without anyone knowing, it was 
hilarious - I mean they could literally change their own grades, write 
their own reports etc. and cause all kinds of havoc for the admins. Of 
course, I made them swear to only ever use their powers for good :) The 
problem with trying to outsmart kids is they're very smart!



On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC+11, Atul Grover wrote:

 Dear all,

 I would like to include a QR code with my students details on the left 
 side (in the centralized theme). This would ensure that the TW remains 
 linked to each student.
 They will not be able to make copies of their TWs/share/copy-paste etc. 
 How can I do so?

 Regards
 Atul Grover


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[tw] Re: Sharing Tiddly wiki without internet?

[Richard Smith]

In my opinion, it's relatively simple to set up a web-server for anyone who 
is comfortable with a bit of tinkering and figuring things out. Then 
anything with a browser connected to the same network can access them. The 
pirate box is basically just a router and a disk for serving files. The 
standard install runs things like a bulletin board and other messaging 
software, I believe.

If you're talking about very low-resource phones, perhaps there is a way to 
deliver only a limited number of static pages for them to save - TiddlyWiki 
can generate these already and I believe they are reasonably 'lightweight', 
though @PMario will know more.

I think TW has amazing potential in this context - what sort of content do 
you deliver?

Regards,
Richard


On Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:19:48 PM UTC+11, Paul Walsh wrote:

 Hi everyone in TW group,

 I'm really excited about the possibilities of TW for teaching, especially 
 in low-resource contexts e.g. developing nations or just classrooms with 
 bad wi-fi or NO wi-fi.

 So would it be possible for me as a teacher to share a TW in the classroom 
 without internet. So, I have the TW file on my laptop - can I share this 
 with my learners either
 through bluetooth or internal wi-fi. So I could get the file to my 
 learners' phones or mobile devices without internet.

 I know there are chat tools like Open Garden and Firechat but I don't know 
 if you can share files - this would be great.

 Anyone any ideas - I suppose what I'm looking for is an offline DropBox!

 paul


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[tw] Re: Import button in view toolbar

[Richard Smith]

Hi Atul,

The easiest way I have found to import images is to drag them into the wiki 
and drop them (on the green drop-zone). You can import multiple images at 
once in this way.

If necessary, you can put a 'browse' button where you want 
it: http://tiddlywiki.com/#:BrowseWidget

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Making two tiddlers with related titles with a single button click

[Richard Smith]

Because the 'edit-text' widget can't edit fields of the tiddler where it 
resides, I'm trying to generate pairs of tiddlers with logically-related 
names from a single button click.

Specifically, what I'm trying to do is have the user enter text in a box - 
sometiddlertitle and then create two tiddlers: sometiddlertitle and 
sometiddlertitleQ

The idea is that sometiddlertitle will act as an editor for 
sometiddlertitleQ 

Trouble is I seem to have sent myself crazy trying a gazillion different 
things, I have tried to follow the advice of several threads but nothing 
has worked.

I think I need to store sometiddlertitle in a field(qtitle) of a 
tiddler(QT), using the edit-text widget, then have something like;

$button message=tm-new-tiddler param={{QT!!qtitle}}$action-sendmessage 
$message=tm-new-tiddler $param={{QT!!qtitle}}Q/Make Tiddlers/$button

But not that, obviously, that's one of the many ways that don't work.

I'm fairly sure I have to use a macro...

Does this make sense to anyone??

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Re: [tw] Making two tiddlers with related titles with a single button click

[Richard Smith]

Hi Jeremy and Thanks, as always


 Why do you have to use a different template editor for each tiddler? Could 
 they share the same editor?


The idea was to subsequently display each pair of tiddler/editor alongside 
each other. They are questions in Moodle's GIFT format and there will be 
several different flavours. It may well be that I should re-think it to use 
a single editor
 

 You need a macro to join together the two parts of the $param for the 
 action-sendmessage.


But how do I call the macro so that the result gets 'parsed' (??) when it 
comes back?

\define join(input)
 $input$Q
 \end
 |!Question Title |$edit-text tiddler=QT field=questiontitle 
 placeholder=give the question a title  size=60/|
 $set name=qtit value=QT!!text
 $button message=tm-new-tiddler 
 param={{QT!!questiontitle}}$action-sendmessage $message=tm-new-tiddler 
 $param=join QT!!questiontitle/Make Tiddlers/$button

 
This creates a tiddler called QT!!questiontitleQ. Am I being thick?

But I think there's a deeper problem: when you create a new tiddler against 
 a template you don't have direct control over the title chosen. If the 
 template is called HelloThere then the first tiddler created from it will 
 be HelloThere 1, then HelloThere 2 etc. That makes it hard to reliably 
 tie the two tiddlers together.

 That's in my 'cross that bridge when we come to it' basket, where it's 
been for the last six hours. I probably need to try this again tomorrow... 
 ;)

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Making two tiddlers with related titles with a single button click

[Richard Smith]

A million Thankyous.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Global Learning X-prize Challenge

[Richard Smith]

Hello again, I posted this from the wrong account. 
Just replying to myself so I can follow any replies.
Richard.

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[tw] Re: How to set the height of some tiddlers to the same size - independently to the amount of their content?

[Richard Smith]

Hi Uwe,

One place to start would be to have a look at: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky

It sets the height of all it's tiddlers the same in CSS

body.tc-body .tc-tiddler-frame { border: 0; margin-bottom: 0; min-height: 
 1000px; }

You can do this on a per-tiddler basis in the following way.

1. Make a tiddler with any title and tag it with $:/tags/Stylesheet
2. In the body of the tiddler put something like

.tc-tagged-minheight {
  min-height: 1000px;
 }


where 'minheight' is your choice

3. Tag the tiddlers to which you want this css to apply with the tag 
'minheight'

I'm afraid I don't know css at all and am in the habit of googling for 
specific settings when I want them so there may be a better (responsive) 
way to set the height etc.

Reg

On Saturday, October 11, 2014 9:46:03 AM UTC+11, Uwe wrote:

 Good morning ;-)

 Here

 http://bbz-dormagen-tools.de/Mobil/TW/01-test/#Webquest

 you can see a Tiddlywiki-Template for Webquests. When it is ready made, 
 the text of each of the six Tiddlers ([[Einleitung ins Thema]], 
 [[Arbeitsauftrag]], [[Vorgehensweise]] etc.) is not anymore as long as now. 
 The texts will usually end somewhere in the middle or near the bottom of 
 the monitor. (See the first horizontal lines.)

 I would like to have each tiddler at the same height, ideally depending on 
 the monitor size. If there is not enough content, the rest of the 
 tiddler-content should stay white. The size of all tiddlers should end at 
 the same position, near the bottom of the page, so that there is no 
 scroll-button at the right side.

 If the content is exceptionally very long, then a scroll-bar at the right 
 side of the tiddler (not: the tiddlywiki) should occure. (The MainMenu at 
 the left should always be visible.)

 Is there a way to set the height of each tiddler (which hold a different 
 amount of content) to the same size?

 Or better:

 Is there a way to set the height of each tiddler (which hold a different 
 amount of content) to the viewport?

 Greetings

 Uwe


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[tw] Re: How to set the height of some tiddlers to the same size - independently to the amount of their content?

[Richard Smith]

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: synced multi user setup

[Richard Smith]

Hi Hans,

I'm no expert at all but have been playing with different set-ups. 

Hosting your tiddlywiki as a website is spectacularly easy. If you have a 
Dropbox public folder or similar, you can put your tw in there, point a URL 
at it and you've got a website. (I have a demonstration of this at 
www.didaxy.net). Editing and saving the tiddlywiki then updates the website 
(I was truly astonished at how quickly this happens)

One of my next projects is to figure out how to do the same using github, 
which I believe is how Jeremy hosts tiddlywiki.com.

If you want to edit your tw on the web and/or have multiple users then it 
gets a bit trickier - not because you can't do it, I think, but because 
there are many possible ways and you must choose the right one for your 
use-case.

The big problem with multi-user is how to handle edit-conflicts, I think, 
and there are several discussions of the topic in the forum, 
eg: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/edit$20conflict%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/8NdvFoz-GCI/H0yWp6NxZSYJ

Do you know about Tiddlyweb and the other back-ends such as Tank?

Regards,
Richard`

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