Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Corey

> On 22 Jun 2016, at 01:42, Corey Woodworth  wrote:
> 
> Is there still a planned release soon?

Yes, unfortunately I missed the planned window of opportunity a few weeks ago, 
and have been unusually busy with the day-job since then. I’m still hoping to 
release in the next couple of weeks. There are a couple of bugs to fix.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Corey Woodworth]

Is there still a planned release soon?

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 8:14:24 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

['Birthe C' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Chuck R,
Your tiddlers are saved,  you wrote yourself, that your tiddlers were in 
your tiddlywiki. You closed the browser tab, so  your browser will not 
know. If you like the same tiddlers shown  when you open your tiddlywiki 
again go to control panel, the info tab and then default tiddlers. Below 
the field there is a button, retain story ordering.


Birthe

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:07:12 PM UTC+2, Chuck R. wrote:
>
> BUG: on Windows with Firefox 46. 
>
> I'm editing a local HTML file and testing the prerelease of TW5.1.12. I 
> add 2 tiddlers of the markdown type, I edit them, save them, then save the 
> HTML file. I close that browser tab and open up the TW 5.1.12 again, and 
> the new tiddlers that were open are no longer open, but they are in the 
> tiddlywiki. 
>
> Aren't all open tiddler saved when the file is saved? 
>
> Love the new 5.1.12 though. It's great that more support for Markdown is 
> there, making it easy to add a Markdown tiddler. 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Chuck R.]

BUG: on Windows with Firefox 46. 

I'm editing a local HTML file and testing the prerelease of TW5.1.12. I add 
2 tiddlers of the markdown type, I edit them, save them, then save the HTML 
file. I close that browser tab and open up the TW 5.1.12 again, and the new 
tiddlers that were open are no longer open, but they are in the tiddlywiki. 

Aren't all open tiddler saved when the file is saved? 

Love the new 5.1.12 though. It's great that more support for Markdown is 
there, making it easy to add a Markdown tiddler. 

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

The new CtrlPanel setting to "Choose whether to link to tiddlers that do 
not exist yet"
ought not be headlined "WikiLinks" because it is unclear (compare eg to the 
more descriptive heading "Camel Case Wiki Links").
Instead I propose the more descriptive heading "Missing Links"
(incidentally same as system tiddler title; 
$:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/MissingLinks )

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Mario and Jeremy, 

I was not talking about going to one of the alternatives, but rolling back to 
the previous default behavior. 

About the new features, how hard would be to allow text snippets have 
placeholders for default information? In my plugin it was possible using a 
regular expression as part of the snippet definition (suggested by Stephan 
Hadreck) 

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Josiah]

Jeremy

The link from 
http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%22Dull%20Roar%22%20by%20Jim%20Lehmer is 
broken

Josiah

On Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:14:24 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[PMario]

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 9:05:36 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> I'm also not a fan of the search popup. Actually I don't want to have any 
> popups and / or modal dialogs. eg: tags. IMO TW has a better way to deal 
> with this. ... But that's my very opinionated point of view, which won't 
> work for everyone. 
>

There's the discussion about the search popup see: 
https://youtu.be/5Pe7rYFG9rE?t=560
My response: https://youtu.be/5Pe7rYFG9rE?t=1861

-mario

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[PMario]

Hi Danielo,

I'm also not a fan of the search popup. Actually I don't want to have any 
popups and / or modal dialogs. eg: tags. IMO TW has a better way to deal 
with this. ... But that's my very opinionated point of view, which won't 
work for everyone. 

So I think the default TW experience should be, what is called: "the least 
surprise"  
UI for new users. 

We have a wonderful plugin system, that actually makes it easy, to convert 
the behaviour to any way you want. ... There are several solutions out 
there and they are discussed a lot in the group here.

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Danielo

> Are you going to keep the search results in a popup? Please not. It obscures 
> valuable information behind it and it is specially annoying on mobile, where 
> the popup disappears and you are forced to search again. I think this is a 
> too polemical feature to be included as default 

That boat has sailed, I’m afraid - the search results popup was included in 
5.1.11, released back in January. I’m not aware of any feedback since our 
original discussion. As I said then, I understand the concerns with this 
approach but I (personally) think that the proposed alternatives are worse. 
Happy to re-open the discussion, but perhaps on GitHub so that we can focus on 
actionable proposals.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Are you going to keep the search results in a popup? Please not. It obscures 
valuable information behind it and it is specially annoying on mobile, where 
the popup disappears and you are forced to search again. I think this is a too 
polemical feature to be included as default 

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:17:30 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Why does this thread say 'completed' when tiddlywiki.com is still 5.1.11?
>

It's a google discussion group flaw or feature, if I understand; Anyone can 
flag a thread as Completed at anytime (supposedly when he or she feels the 
original question is satisfyingly answered) - and the flag is seen by 
everybody. The way we use the discussion groups this makes no sense and 
even if people learn that flagging like this is not a good idea, we 
continuously have newcomers...

Personally, I see it as a reminder that we need to get out of this joint... 
and head for TWederation paradise with our discussions... ;-)

...oooh... soft rectangular tiddlyclouds everywhere... green rectangular 
tiddlygrass... and all those tiddlynymphs... so adoringly rectangular... 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[David Gifford]

Why does this thread say 'completed' when tiddlywiki.com is still 5.1.11?

Dave

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 7:14:24 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi WiM

> -great upgrade!

Thank you! It's a shame that it's taken so long to get it released, but that's 
the price we pay for making such substantial changes that affect so many users 
at this point in the project lifetime.

> -somehow that the preview-type button is not included in the editors 
> button-bar in the empty.html . According to configuration setting (chevron 
> pointing downwards is checked) it should be visible. The preview-type button 
> is visible in the pre-release itself (the full tw). the tiddler 

The preview-type button is only visible if more than one preview type is 
registered with the core. The "parse tree", "widget tree" and "raw HTML" 
options are provided by the new "Internals" plugin, which is included in the 
prerelease but not in the core empty.html.

> -when disabling the button bar for the editor (control, settings, edit 
> toolbar), then there is no preview button left (I mean the old hide and show 
> preview button).

Yes, I agree that this is a problem. I'll look into ways to restore the preview 
button when the framed editor is switched off.

Best wishes, and many thanks,

Jeremy

> 
> I hope this helps
> WiM
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[wimm]

Hi Jeremy,

When I downloaded the pre-release today. I noticed 3 things

-great upgrade!

-somehow that the preview-type button is not included in the editors 
button-bar in the empty.html . According to configuration setting (chevron 
pointing downwards is checked) it should be visible. The preview-type 
button is visible in the pre-release itself (the full tw). the tiddler 
$:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/preview-type is present in the empty.html.

-when disabling the button bar for the editor (control, settings, edit 
toolbar), then there is no preview button left (I mean the old hide and 
show preview button).

I hope this helps
WiM

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Sylvain Naudin]

Le lundi 9 mai 2016 18:39:31 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
>
> Hi Mark
>
> On 9 May 2016, at 10:07, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, you can not scroll the preview side of the screen. This 
> means that the preview and edit areas can be far apart, and impossible to 
> line up. This means you end up going back and forth while editing. If you 
> could scroll the preview side like you can the edit side, then editing 
> would be much easier.
>
>
> I agree that would be an improvement, and will explore how do-able it is.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>


+1 :) Thanks Mark. When I record my screencast and test it, I've notive 
that would be a good improvement, and continue tu see toolbar.


Sylvain

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> On 9 May 2016, at 10:07, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, you can not scroll the preview side of the screen. This means 
> that the preview and edit areas can be far apart, and impossible to line up. 
> This means you end up going back and forth while editing. If you could scroll 
> the preview side like you can the edit side, then editing would be much 
> easier.

I agree that would be an improvement, and will explore how do-able it is.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If it's not too late to make a suggestion.

Currently you can set the height of the edit side of the screen, and turn 
it into a scrollable area. Great!

Unfortunately, you can not scroll the preview side of the screen. This 
means that the preview and edit areas can be far apart, and impossible to 
line up. This means you end up going back and forth while editing. If you 
could scroll the preview side like you can the edit side, then editing 
would be much easier.

Thanks!
Mark

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Andrew]

I have still been trying to figure out why undo was acting strange and I am 
so close. I think that the functionality was all there. It is just a matter 
of doing something like the following, but I can't quite figure it out how 
to capture the text of the hidden dummy iframe after the undo but nothing 
seems to work:
in undo.js:

document.execCommand("undo", false, null);
operation.replacement = textarea.value;


or 

document.execCommand("undo", false, null);
operation.replacement = 
this.parentDomNode.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value;

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Rustem

The editor should work with custom palettes because that was a bug I fixed a 
few weeks ago. Perhaps there's been a regression; I'll investigate.

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> On 7 May 2016, at 18:04, Rustem <8pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I use a theme that is not white (Solar Flare), and a bigger font in the 
> editor. In my opinioin, the new editor needs the following before it’s 
> released: a possibility of styling it, and an opt-out switch that reverts to 
> the old plain textarea editor.
> 
> I looked briefly at the code. Maybe I misundestood, but I thought copyStyles 
> is supposed to copy styles from dummy text area, that has a class 
> .tc-edit-texteditor assigned to it, to the textarea inside the iframe. It 
> does not do so currently, and the only styles the textarea has are display, 
> height, margin, and width - those are assigned explicitly in the code.
> 
> Out of curiosity, I inspected GitHub comments editor - it manages without an 
> iframe, and selection preservation is there.
> 
> —R.
> 
>> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen
>> 
>>> I use very dark themes and palettes with my Tiddlywikis. In the previous 
>>> pre-release I could style the editor but this one I seem to get glaring 
>>> white with black characters no matter what I do. Perhaps it is something 
>>> very simple but I'm missing it.
>> 
>> I think you’ll find that after changing the palette you need to cancel and 
>> re-edit tiddlers to make the editor update to the new palette. The issue is 
>> that the textarea in the editor is embedded in an iframe in order to allow 
>> us to preserve the selection, but a side effect is that the main page styles 
>> are not visible within the iframe, so have to be manually copied across.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark S has pointed out that the Undo/Redo arrows don't work in Firefox or 
>>> Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and 
>>> not a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, everything works as anticipated. 
>>> 
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tobias

> At first I was a little skeptical reading "editor toolbar", that I would not 
> necessarily want to see such a thing in the core, but now that I'm playing 
> with it, I believe there's some major productivity enhancements in store, if 
> only for the editing shortcuts. I assume it would have been too complicated, 
> perhaps even impossible, to have this be a plugin?

Great, glad you like it, and good to see on the groups again.

It would have been feasible to make the toolbar be a plugin but I was concerned 
that the purpose of the toolbar is ease of use, and if it is a plugin then it 
is a lot less accessible to beginners, the people who might benefit the most 
from it.

But I'm also aware that the editor has expanded the core by 20 or 25% in terms 
of the number of shadow tiddlers. I argue that we've never really tried to 
optimise the size of the core, and so there is plenty of scope to do so without 
having to remove the editor toolbar functionality.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Hard line breaks in the new wikitext edit tools?

There's no shortcut for entering hard line breaks at the moment.

Best wishes

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> 
>> On 8 May 2016 at 07:37, Tobias Beer  wrote:
>> Hi Jeremy,
>> 
>> Congratulations, this looks really good. Will do some more testing.
>> 
>> At first I was a little skeptical reading "editor toolbar", that I would not 
>> necessarily want to see such a thing in the core, but now that I'm playing 
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>> perhaps even impossible, to have this be a plugin?
>> 
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Alex Hough]

Jeremy,

Hard line breaks in the new wikitext edit tools?

Alex

On 8 May 2016 at 07:37, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Congratulations, this looks really good. Will do some more testing.
>
> At first I was a little skeptical reading "editor toolbar", that I would
> not necessarily want to see such a thing in the core, but now that I'm
> playing with it, I believe there's some major productivity enhancements in
> store, if only for the editing shortcuts. I assume it would have been
> too complicated, perhaps even impossible, to have this be a plugin?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jeremy,

Congratulations, this looks really good. Will do some more testing.

At first I was a little skeptical reading "editor toolbar", that I would 
not necessarily want to see such a thing in the core, but now that I'm 
playing with it, I believe there's some major productivity enhancements in 
store, if only for the editing shortcuts. I assume it would have been 
too complicated, perhaps even impossible, to have this be a plugin?

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Rustem]

I use a theme that is not white (Solar Flare), and a bigger font in the 
editor. In my opinioin, the new editor needs the following before it’s 
released: a possibility of styling it, and an opt-out switch that reverts 
to the old plain textarea editor. 

I looked briefly at the code. Maybe I misundestood, but I thought copyStyles 
is supposed to copy styles from dummy text area, that has a class 
.tc-edit-texteditor assigned to it, to the textarea inside the iframe. It 
does not do so currently, and the only styles the textarea has are display, 
height, margin, and width - those are assigned explicitly in the code.

Out of curiosity, I inspected GitHub comments editor - it manages without 
an iframe, and selection preservation is there.

—R.

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

Hi Stephen
>
> I use very dark themes and palettes with my Tiddlywikis. In the previous 
> pre-release I could style the editor but this one I seem to get glaring 
> white with black characters no matter what I do. Perhaps it is something 
> very simple but I'm missing it.
>
>
> I think you’ll find that after changing the palette you need to cancel and 
> re-edit tiddlers to make the editor update to the new palette. The issue is 
> that the textarea in the editor is embedded in an iframe in order to allow 
> us to preserve the selection, but a side effect is that the main page 
> styles are not visible within the iframe, so have to be manually copied 
> across.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Mark S has pointed out that the Undo/Redo arrows don't work in Firefox or 
> Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and 
> not a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
>
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>
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[andrew harrison]

I know 5.1.12 is about to be released without undo but I still think it
would be nice to have undo and redo buttons included. I think that the
functionality was all there. It is just a matter of doing something like
the following, can't quite figure it out how to capture the text of the
hidden dummy iframe after the undo but it should be so easy:
in undo.js:

document.execCommand("undo", false, null);
operation.replacement = this.iframeDoc.text;

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I noticed that if you use the macro for excision, that the "transcluded" 
text does not include images and leaves out formatting. If you do a plain 
transclusion with curly brackets, it does include images. It seems to me 
that the macro should do a real transclusion so you you can see what you're 
actually getting.

After some more experimentation, I see that the problem may be the 
<$transclusion> widget -- it doesn't include images or formatting either. 
On the other hand, changing the macro to use curly brackets doesn't bring 
back the formatting, and everything is displayed in inline mode. So it will 
take more than one tweak to get right.

Thanks,
Mark

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Devin

> On 4 May 2016, at 18:18, Devin Weaver  wrote:
> 
> Is this a call for new bug fixes or only bug introduced in the recent future? 
> I ask based on this pull request I just submitted last night: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2420

I was particularly interested in bugs in the newly introduced features. I'm 
working against a deadline of releasing 5.1.12 in the next 48 hours, so would 
rather avoid any changes that carry any risk.

#2420 looks like a welcome fix for an old oversight, but I'm concerned that I 
won't have enough time to properly test it, so I would rather leave it until 
after 5.1.12.

Best wishes

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Devin Weaver]

Is this a call for new bug fixes or only bug introduced in the recent 
future? I ask based on this pull request I just submitted last night: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2420

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

Apropos the Markdown toolbar, I just stumbled over this that may serve as 
inspiration to use it;

http://mediatemple.net/blog/tips/you-should-probably-blog-in-markdown/

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[progetti]

>
> Warning: avoid using any of the characters | [ ] { } " ' in tiddler titles
>

'Single' and "double" quotes are not sanctioned? ... COME on ... that's 
NORMAL language use. Don't mess with it.

J.

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[progetti]

J.

Small point.

If you try looking at the MODALS DEMO under zoomin it is obscured by any 
other tiddler open. (on firefox 45.0.2)

J. 

On Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:14:24 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Pau Deluca]

Ok, then. I said it just in case.

P.-

El jueves, 28 de abril de 2016, 9:45:52 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>
> Hi Pau
>
> There are some strange shortcut behaviours of text editors on Firefox 
> 45.0.2
>
>
> The behaviour you describe is intentional: the list-number and list-bullet 
> toolbar buttons work on the top level only.
>
> I did investigate trying to make it possible for the toolbar buttons to 
> make arbitrary additions/removals from the list items, but found it 
> complicated and confusing and so settled on the simple behaviour you see 
> now. I’m sure it could be improved but I think it might take more buttons 
> to cover more use cases (eg a button to remove a level from the selected 
> list rows).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> Both bulleted and numbered lists behave weirdly when handled by shortcuts:
>
> Ctrl-L and Ctrl-N work only at the first level. Trying to nest the items 
> by composing Ctrl-L or Ctrl-N twice toggles on and off the first item 
> indicator (* #)
>
> Combining nested bulleted and numbered items by shortcuts don't work:
>
> Trying to *# by composing Ctrl-L+Ctrl-N inverts the order and inserts a 
> space between both indicators (# *)
> Trying to #* by composing Ctrl-N+Ctrl-L inverts the order and inserts a 
> space between both indicators (* #)
>
> P.-)
>
>
> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>
>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
>> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>>
>> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>
>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
>> problems: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>>
>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
>> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
>> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
>> resources that are not currently linked from 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
>> request. 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Pau

> There are some strange shortcut behaviours of text editors on Firefox 45.0.2

The behaviour you describe is intentional: the list-number and list-bullet 
toolbar buttons work on the top level only.

I did investigate trying to make it possible for the toolbar buttons to make 
arbitrary additions/removals from the list items, but found it complicated and 
confusing and so settled on the simple behaviour you see now. I’m sure it could 
be improved but I think it might take more buttons to cover more use cases (eg 
a button to remove a level from the selected list rows).

Best wishes

Jeremy


> 
> Both bulleted and numbered lists behave weirdly when handled by shortcuts:
> 
> Ctrl-L and Ctrl-N work only at the first level. Trying to nest the items by 
> composing Ctrl-L or Ctrl-N twice toggles on and off the first item indicator 
> (* #)
> 
> Combining nested bulleted and numbered items by shortcuts don't work:
> 
> Trying to *# by composing Ctrl-L+Ctrl-N inverts the order and inserts a space 
> between both indicators (# *)
> Trying to #* by composing Ctrl-N+Ctrl-L inverts the order and inserts a space 
> between both indicators (* #)
> 
> P.-)
> 
> 
> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release TiddlyWiki 
> 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help with testing 
> this release; there are a lot of changes this time around which brings a 
> potential for things to go wrong. 
> 
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  
> 
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take careful 
> backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any problems: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>  
> 
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further functional 
> changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki resources that are 
> not currently linked from http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>  do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
> 
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> 
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Pau Deluca]

There are some strange shortcut behaviours of text editors on Firefox 45.0.2

Both bulleted and numbered lists behave weirdly when handled by shortcuts:

Ctrl-L and Ctrl-N work only at the first level. Trying to nest the items by 
composing Ctrl-L or Ctrl-N twice toggles on and off the first item 
indicator (* #)

Combining nested bulleted and numbered items by shortcuts don't work:

Trying to *# by composing Ctrl-L+Ctrl-N inverts the order and inserts a 
space between both indicators (# *)
Trying to #* by composing Ctrl-N+Ctrl-L inverts the order and inserts a 
space between both indicators (* #)

P.-)


El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Alex Hough]

Hi Jeremy,

Yes indeed , the editor looks and feels really good

One of the things it does is to encourage experimentation right away in the
edit template. With the preview page, I think that seeing the
transformation happen instantly is one of the features that makes TW so
addictive.

For the future, the search filter from advanced search could be
incorporated along with the [[link]]. Like I mentioned before somewhere,
there is a scale of complexity which starts with formating moves onto links
then into filters and macros. I think the toolbar could be a great way of
introducing these features.


Alex

On 27 April 2016 at 10:37, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Wow, the editor looks perfect to me. This will increase the usability of
> tw a lot.
>
>
> Thanks Bo, much appreciated.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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> Wow, the editor looks perfect to me. This will increase the usability of tw a 
> lot.

Thanks Bo, much appreciated.

Best wishes

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[The Bo]

Am Samstag, 23. April 2016 14:14:24 UTC+2 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[The Bo]

Wow, the editor looks perfect to me. This will increase the usability of tw 
a lot.


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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Pau Deluca]

I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.

Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new 
translatable strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but: 

The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version, which 
I have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while 
translating the documentation.

How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present 
in languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)? 

I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones 
untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder 
with those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already 
existing files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am 
jut overlooking.

P.-)





I've polished the translation

El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>
> Hi Pau
>
> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle the 
> preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, opening 
> the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? Any 
> possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt to, 
> eg, different localisation standards? 
>
>
> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to Alt-P. 
>  However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no longer 
> has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I don’t have 
> a fix for this at the moment.
>
> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
>
> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the 
> new strings yet? 
>
>
> Yes, it is up to date.
>
> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be 
> written. 
>
>
> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> P.-)
>
>
>
>
>
> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>
>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
>> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>>
>> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
>> problems: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
>> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
>> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
>> resources that are not currently linked from 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
>> request. 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Pau

> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle the 
> preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, opening 
> the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? Any 
> possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt to, eg, 
> different localisation standards? 

Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to Alt-P.  
However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no longer has 
the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I don’t have a fix 
for this at the moment.

There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.

> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the new 
> strings yet? 

Yes, it is up to date.

> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be 
> written. 

Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> P.-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release TiddlyWiki 
> 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help with testing 
> this release; there are a lot of changes this time around which brings a 
> potential for things to go wrong. 
> 
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
>  
> 
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take careful 
> backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any problems: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
> 
>  
> 
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further functional 
> changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki resources that are 
> not currently linked from http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Pau Deluca]

Hi!

I'm very excited about it. I'm setting up my professional project site with 
TW5 and the editor toolbar gives my ~~illiterate~~ windowsofficed 
collaborators a more familiar approach.
A quick test tells me drool over some of the enhancements, like the snippet 
tool, the preview dropdown, but, most of all, the excision tool.

After my quicktest (on firefox), I just have a suggestion and a couple 
questions: 

a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle the 
preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, opening 
the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? Any 
possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt to, 
eg, different localisation standards? 

b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the 
new strings yet? 

c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be 
written. 

P.-)





El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
>  
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
> 
>  
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
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> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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Hi Stephen

> I think you’ll find that after changing the palette you need to cancel and 
> re-edit tiddlers to make the editor update to the new palette. The issue is 
> that the textarea in the editor is embedded in an iframe in order to allow us 
> to preserve the selection, but a side effect is that the main page styles are 
> not visible within the iframe, so have to be manually copied across.

I’ve fixed things so that the styles are dynamically updated:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/b7530bac44bd808b3894c3d3416f7754f59125c1

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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>> a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Devin

> I have released my personal blog site with the pre-release version. I haven't 
> noticed any problems yet. If anyone is interested in checking it out feel 
> free: https://tritarget.org/

Great to see your site; I’ve added it as an example:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/f5f92072e166c8d5566d6d45f352bcdeb793b2b5

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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I have released my personal blog site with the pre-release version. I 
haven't noticed any problems yet. If anyone is interested in checking it 
out feel free: https://tritarget.org/

Figured a *looks good to me* account of things would be helpful.

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

Jeremy,

The undo/redo buttons *do* work in Firefox if you install the CodeMirror 
> plugin.
>

Thanks for info. 

>>due to, different browsers so it would be good with a general "if browser 
> X then..." kind of command.
>
>  but as usual I’m reluctant to spend too much time working around browser 
> oddities.
>

Yes, but my point was exactly that, i.e to *avoid* spending time on working 
around browser oddities by instead having a crude sniffbrowser-toggler; "if 
browser X then disable Y". So whenever an oddity is found, it's just shoved 
into this "sniff-toggler" to postpone the problem until either the browser 
people straightens it out or until a fellow tiddlywikian feels the urge to 
make a workaround. The alternatives seem to be to just cut out the feature 
completely, regardless of browser (like what happened with position sticky) 
or to have the feature "just not working" as was the case with undo/redo 
until some minutes ago.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Xavier

> I'm eager to present TW5 to new people who expect that text editors feature 
> toolbars!

Ha! Great, we’ll look forward to hearing how you get on.

> I noticed one confusing thing though: the stamp button appears in the toolbar 
> when editing a new Markdown tiddler.

Yes; although the sample snippets are all WikiText, it’s possible to create 
Markdown snippets.

> By the way, I'm a bit concerned that Markdown might become the default type 
> for creating new tiddlers: a great feature of the new editor toolbar is this 
> ability to easily include complex Tiddlywiki with stamp-like buttons. 

The new button for adding a Markdown tiddler is only present when the Markdown 
plugin is installed. It’s installed by default in the prerelease, but not in 
the usual tiddlywiki.com release.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> This is a great way for new comers to experience the power of TW5 before they 
> learn the syntax. No such show off of TW5 powerful features if Markdown 
> tiddlers are the default.



> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- Xavier Cazin
> 
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ton Gerner  > wrote:
> The toolbar is a very nice addition; makes many of my bookmarklets 
> superfluous ;-)
> 
> The adjusted Dutch translation for TW5.1.12 can be found at 
> http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> 
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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> I’ll investigate hiding the buttons in the specific case of running on 
> Firefox with no CodeMirror plugin, but as usual I’m reluctant to spend too 
> much time working around browser oddities.

I’ve ended up adding a warning alert when attempting to use the undo/redo 
buttons in Firefox:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/3e9cc3e8fd20af7603bb8fc6bea5b55b7e352b91

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Stephen

> I use very dark themes and palettes with my Tiddlywikis. In the previous 
> pre-release I could style the editor but this one I seem to get glaring white 
> with black characters no matter what I do. Perhaps it is something very 
> simple but I'm missing it.

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not visible within the iframe, so have to be manually copied across.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and not 
> a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

> In deed unfortunate. 
> I'm thinking that those buttons would then better not show up in FF. If not 
> for this release then for the next,
> There are additional such differences in TW between, and

The undo/redo buttons *do* work in Firefox if you install the CodeMirror 
plugin. Incidentally, the CodeMirror plugin is now much more useful because it 
features bracket matching, which really helps when writing complex wikitext.

> due to, different browsers so it would be good with a general "if browser X 
> then..." kind of command.

I’ll investigate hiding the buttons in the specific case of running on Firefox 
with no CodeMirror plugin, but as usual I’m reluctant to spend too much time 
working around browser oddities.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

>
> Mark S has pointed out that the Undo/Redo arrows don't work in Firefox or 
> Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and 
> not a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
>

In deed unfortunate. 
I'm thinking that those buttons would then better not show up in FF. If not 
for this release then for the next,
There are additional such differences in TW between, and due to, different 
browsers so it would be good with a general "if browser X then..." kind of 
command.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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I use very dark themes and palettes with my Tiddlywikis. In the previous 
pre-release I could style the editor but this one I seem to get glaring 
white with black characters no matter what I do. Perhaps it is something 
very simple but I'm missing it.

Mark S has pointed out that the Undo/Redo arrows don't work in Firefox or 
Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and 
not a mistake in Tiddlywiki.

Other than that, everything works as anticipated. 

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Let me revise that, since I was using Pale Moon instead of FF.

On FF 43.0.1 the arrows don't seem to do anything, but at least don't give 
the NS error. Maybe they work in other browsers so they're worth having 
around.

Mark

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 4:39:30 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The NS_ERROR_FAILURE seems to still be there with the undo buttons. Might 
> be better to not have the buttons than to have the error box.
>
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
>> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>>
>> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>
>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
>> problems: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>>
>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
>> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
>> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
>> resources that are not currently linked from 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
>> request. 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The NS_ERROR_FAILURE seems to still be there with the undo buttons. Might 
be better to not have the buttons than to have the error box.

Mark

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Jeremy,

I'm eager to present TW5 to new people who expect that text editors feature
toolbars!

I noticed one confusing thing though: the *stamp* button appears in the
toolbar when editing a new Markdown tiddler.

By the way, I'm a bit concerned that Markdown might become the default type
for creating new tiddlers: a great feature of the new editor toolbar is
this ability to easily include complex Tiddlywiki with stamp-like buttons.

This is a great way for new comers to experience the power of TW5 before
they learn the syntax. No such show off of TW5 powerful features if
Markdown tiddlers are the default.

Cheers,

-- Xavier Cazin

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:

> The toolbar is a very nice addition; makes many of my bookmarklets
> superfluous ;-)
>
> The adjusted Dutch translation for TW5.1.12 can be found at
> http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/
>
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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Ton Gerner]

The toolbar is a very nice addition; makes many of my bookmarklets 
superfluous ;-)

The adjusted Dutch translation for TW5.1.12 can be found at 
http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/

Cheers,

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[David Gifford]

Very cool!

That color picker would be handy for the color field in edit template, 
where you want to have a list of recent colors used for tag backgrounds. 
And if it would not delete this info on closing the file, even better. 
Would make it easier to use colors to distinguish types of tags.

Dave

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 7:14:24 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
> problems: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
> resources that are not currently linked from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Mat]

Very exciting!

IMO it makes sense to include links to

http://www.slant.co/topics/1491/viewpoints/6/~single-user-wiki~tiddlywiki

maybe http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/TiddlyWiki

and I just found this

http://7kfinancial.com/business/top-6-wiki-software-to-keep-yourself-organized-2201

<:-)

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