Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad]

Hi TT,
 See this 
thread https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/37B5uhgbJwE/m/UQjhtV42BgAJ


On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:46:07 PM UTC+4:30 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  TW Tones wrote (edited by TT):
>
>> Have you used ... OneTab addon for Chrome and Firefox? ... close all 
>> unpinned tabs with a click. 
>>
> Then one tab lists these tabs as links which you can open each with a 
>> click.
>>
>
>> Now I mention it because it is a great way to collect a vast list if 
>> links 
>>
>
>  Right! Interesting.
>
> The way I think about that is it is BULK LINK collation. I think it would 
> be quite easy to transfer the output of OneTab to TW.
>
> BUT the BULK aspect is intense. 
>
> IMO we could make a GENERIC PARSER of links that could parse such a source 
> and others too.
>
> I think the result would be better held in a Data Dictionary than zillions 
> of tiddlers.
> The Dictionary could be PASS ONE and any item you needed differentiated to 
> a single Tiddler from click on an item in that Dictionary.
>
> Hope this is clear!
>
> Thoughts,
> TT
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:46 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

>  TW Tones wrote (edited by TT):
>
>> Have you used ... OneTab addon for Chrome and Firefox? ... close all
>> unpinned tabs with a click.
>>
> Then one tab lists these tabs as links which you can open each with a
>> click.
>>
>> Now I mention it because it is a great way to collect a vast list if
>> links
>>
>
>  Right! Interesting.
>
> The way I think about that is it is BULK LINK collation. I think it would
> be quite easy to transfer the output of OneTab to TW.
>


I did an experiment:
1. I exported the bookmarks from Chrome using (Bookmark manager)
2. You can export from FF or Edge
3. The exported bookmark is an html with ``
4. Dropping it in Tiddlywiki, a Tiddler with type html is created
5. All links work! Shift+Click opens the links in a new window!

I think we need to use a dropzone area with a deserializer to extract all
the bookmarks! We can also use wikitext but it is tough to extract those
bookmarks!
Let's open another thread and see what advice we receive!


--Mohammad



>
> BUT the BULK aspect is intense.
>
> IMO we could make a GENERIC PARSER of links that could parse such a source
> and others too.
>
> I think the result would be better held in a Data Dictionary than zillions
> of tiddlers.
> The Dictionary could be PASS ONE and any item you needed differentiated to
> a single Tiddler from click on an item in that Dictionary.
>
> Hope this is clear!
>
> Thoughts,
> TT
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:35 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>> So, I have created an entry in my Tiddlywiki-Lab and collected your ideas!
>>
>
> Ha! Is that on GitHub? If do does it have a discussion?
> I'd be happy to carry on with this thread there.
>

No it is a local repo! but I create a GitHub repo for this!

>
> Best wishes, TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

 TW Tones wrote (edited by TT):

> Have you used ... OneTab addon for Chrome and Firefox? ... close all 
> unpinned tabs with a click. 
>
Then one tab lists these tabs as links which you can open each with a click.
>
> Now I mention it because it is a great way to collect a vast list if links 
>

 Right! Interesting.

The way I think about that is it is BULK LINK collation. I think it would 
be quite easy to transfer the output of OneTab to TW.

BUT the BULK aspect is intense. 

IMO we could make a GENERIC PARSER of links that could parse such a source 
and others too.

I think the result would be better held in a Data Dictionary than zillions 
of tiddlers.
The Dictionary could be PASS ONE and any item you needed differentiated to 
a single Tiddler from click on an item in that Dictionary.

Hope this is clear!

Thoughts,
TT


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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohammad wrote:

>
> So, I have created an entry in my Tiddlywiki-Lab and collected your ideas!
>

Ha! Is that on GitHub? If do does it have a discussion?
I'd be happy to carry on with this thread there.

Best wishes, TT 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Mohammad et al,

Have you used the free OneTab addon for Chrome and Firefox? It allows you 
to close all unpinned tiddlers with a click. Then one tab lists these 
closed tabs as links which you can open each with a click.

Now I mention it because it is a great way to collect a vast list if links 
while researching something or any thing, even local wiki addresses 
serviced by Timimi for 
example file:///C:/Data/TW5/!CustomiseWikiText/V0.8.0.html

You can export all links in one action. Links are of the form;

https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions | Discussions · 
morosanuae/tw-icons

   - you can see the pipe "|" divides the url from the label, but they are 
   the wrong way around.
   - I have seen this format a few times, swap and wrap in [[ ]] and remove 
   spacesa either saide of the [pipe and you have A url and pretty link

Ca the current tools be made to accommodate;

   - This format pasted as a list 
   - Dragging from the One Tab, seems not to allow drop on tiddlywqiki.com

Regards
Tones

On Friday, 21 May 2021 at 01:48:49 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi TT,
> I like all your comments and ideas!
>
> Part of them can be addressed using Wikitex (where I understand the code) 
> and part can be implemented with JS.
> So, I have created an entry in my Tiddlywiki-Lab and collected your ideas!
>
> By the way let's see if we can get other opinion ideas helping to 
> implement these!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> *TECHNICAL ISSUES ON D-N-D*
>>
>> Whilst D-n-D is a lot better on browsers that it used to be *there can 
>> definitely still be issues* just getting it to work.
>> We need to understand these BETTER and solve them.
>>
>> *I STILL cannot get your examples to work on Firefox (latest).* I am 
>> unclear WHY? It is likely some setting in the config of the browser? I am 
>> not sure. 
>> Eventually I'll work it out. But it is not a good sign. A normal user 
>> expects stuff to just work.
>>
>> D-n-D on mobile is very useful to have *(ALL students work on phones on 
>> their way to college :-). *Obviously, in a touch-screen-environment, 
>> with pages not showing tabs, is quite different than Desktop. 
>> TBH this needs to be thought into more! 
>> How can we make a smart-phone TW UI work optimally for D-n-D of links?
>>
>> Side comments
>> TT
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi TT,
I like all your comments and ideas!

Part of them can be addressed using Wikitex (where I understand the code)
and part can be implemented with JS.
So, I have created an entry in my Tiddlywiki-Lab and collected your ideas!

By the way let's see if we can get other opinion ideas helping to implement
these!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> *TECHNICAL ISSUES ON D-N-D*
>
> Whilst D-n-D is a lot better on browsers that it used to be *there can
> definitely still be issues* just getting it to work.
> We need to understand these BETTER and solve them.
>
> *I STILL cannot get your examples to work on Firefox (latest).* I am
> unclear WHY? It is likely some setting in the config of the browser? I am
> not sure.
> Eventually I'll work it out. But it is not a good sign. A normal user
> expects stuff to just work.
>
> D-n-D on mobile is very useful to have *(ALL students work on phones on
> their way to college :-). *Obviously, in a touch-screen-environment, with
> pages not showing tabs, is quite different than Desktop.
> TBH this needs to be thought into more!
> How can we make a smart-phone TW UI work optimally for D-n-D of links?
>
> Side comments
> TT
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao TW Tones

TW Tones wrote: ...

> First I am focusing on dragging anything and it "is or becomes a tiddler" 
> or something according to where you drop it, including a JSON tiddler and 
> plugins.
> Yes it depends on where you drop it.
>
> Just for context I am using the recent bucket, streams and Projectify and 
> dragging things all over the place. Bucket is a a holding space.
>
> ... however I am looking at parsing titles and generating nicer ones, 
> moving the old title into a tiddler field.
>

*Right! Needed in many cases.*

At the basic level A "dropzone" will launch a MINI-PARSER that facilitates 
that. 

As Mohammad's OP developed in this thread it got clearer that for capturing 
outside links, and maybe page content too,   then need some processing.

My point here is that its not so clear yet what exactly the process is. OR 
to what extent you need Purpose Specific Dropzones.

IMO I think its getting important to better differentiate specific aims.

For instance, in my own case, I am most interested in harvesting links from 
a limited number of sources to data dictionaries. 
An example is a student of CINEMA needs to always refer to IMDB.com as it 
is the de-facto canonical source for movie data.
SO, for those students, a dropzone purely for IMDB makes most sense. 

You get my point? 
I think defining end use purposes matters quite a lot in know what to build!

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohammad wrote ...

> If I have found free time, I will look in my collection of bookmarklets! I 
> think there are several solutions, one of them works with Node.JS and is 
> very similar to TiddlyClip!
>

Right! I certainly think that having a collection of *bookmarklets* for use 
alongside TW could be very useful. I think it is worth looking into as they 
can assemble data we need for TW linking that TW cannot itself do (for 
example getting the title of a page as well as its url). We could maybe go 
further and capture other data and page content too through bookmarklets?

Right also on TiddlyClip! I think there is a lot that can be learned, and 
maybe used, from it.

Best wishes
TT 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

TT,

I understand your concern.
*MORE THAN ONE THING INVOLVED?*

First I am focusing on dragging anything and it "is or becomes a tiddler" 
or something according to where you drop it, including a JSON tiddler and 
plugins.
Yes it depends on where you drop it.

Just for context I am using the recent bucket, streams and Projectify and 
dragging things all over the place. Bucket is a a holding space.

The point being many, if not most, dropzones accept a title, then we can 
handle that as we wish. External links dropped may become unfriendly 
titles, however I am looking at parsing titles and generating nicer ones, 
moving the old title into a tiddler field.

I hope that helps?
Tones
On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 19:38:17 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> TW Tones wrote ...
>
>>
>>1. Drag /download  " objects from one wiki to another" such as todos 
>>and streams and more ...
>>
>>
> Right!
>
> The one aspect of your post that needs beefing is to clarify there is MORE 
> THAN ONE THING INVOLVED.
>
> HOW to develop a consistent conformity? Do ALL things get dragged to the 
> SAME ZONE?
>
> As far as I can see DROP ZONES need to be "incoming primed" to be 
> effective?
>
> Let us try open this up more!
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thank you Tones for clarification!
Good point!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 1:06 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Mohammad et all.
>
> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 16:03:45 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
> Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out a
> few more methods I use
>
>- If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the
>browser (no need for opening your file manger)
>- If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or
>FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser
>downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
>- You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site click
>to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick and easy
>method to build bookmarklets to drop on your favourites/bookmarks could be
>another interwiki transfer method.
>
> I did not understand this solution! Would you please explain this!
>
>
> Sure.
>
> As a tiddlywiki user I deal with html files (wikis) and plugins and JSON
> files all the time. Thus any work flow improvements are welcome.
>
> If you want to get something, the typical approaches are;
>
>- Drag from one wiki to another
>- Download a file then open it in the file system and drag and drop it
>- After downloading import the desired file to your current tiddlywiki
>
> However the modern browsers allow you to download a file (no where
> particular like the downloads folder), the recently downloaded file is
> listed in down loads, and you can open it from there OR drag a file from
> there and drop it on a wiki in the browser tab.
>
> Lets say I come across a new plugin or a json tiddler, I just want to test.
>
>1. Go to tiddlywiki.com and download empty.html
>2. Go to the download manager and open it (empty.htm) opens in a tab)
>3. Go to the link and download the resource (file plugin etc) you want
>4. Now drag this recently downloaded resource (file) onto the tab with
>empty html
>5. With Timimi installed I can save and reload and test the plugin
>6. If I am happy with that I close the tab and forget about it.
>7. Also this takes place in a single browser and tab, I have no need
>to visit the file system
>
> Of course
>
>1. If drag and drop is a available I use it.
>2. If I want to retain the result I may rename and move it!
>3. If something is in your download manger it can be dropped on
>multiple wikis without leaving the browser.
>
>
> Futures
>
>1. Drag /download  " objects from one wiki to another" such as todos
>and streams and more
>   1. Test data and more
>
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 16:03:45 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones!
>>
>> Thank you for this!
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out
>>> a few more methods I use
>>>
>>>- If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the
>>>browser (no need for opening your file manger)
>>>- If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or
>>>FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser
>>>downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
>>>- You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site
>>>click to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick
>>>and easy method to build bookmarklets to drop on your 
>>> favourites/bookmarks
>>>could be another interwiki transfer method.
>>>
>>> I did not understand this solution! Would you please explain this!
>>
>>
>>
>>>- Bookmarklets themselves can be dragged between Browsers such as
>>>FireFox and Chrome to wikis or bookmarks.
>>>
>>> I would also like to see the existing zip mechaisium used to allow the
>>> dropping of tiddler into a wiki stored zip file. Ideally these activities
>>> can be design to use consistent interfaces and methods so learning one
>>> helps you learn another.
>>>
>>> I can confirm it would be possible to be able to drop tiddlers into a
>>> plugin with a little design.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:35:54 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Mohammad ...

 ... Footnote to my last ... in browser the experimental Bookmarklet for
 WikiLink versions of title/url looks like this ...

 [image: Screenshot 2021-05-17 113231.jpg]

 On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 11:27:35 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao
>
> The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things.
> Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.
>
> I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look
> like?*
> ONE interface, multiple methods?
>
> For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText
> format, I hacked a 

Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

TW Tones wrote ...

>
>1. Drag /download  " objects from one wiki to another" such as todos 
>and streams and more ...
>
>
Right!

The one aspect of your post that needs beefing is to clarify there is MORE 
THAN ONE THING INVOLVED.

HOW to develop a consistent conformity? Do ALL things get dragged to the 
SAME ZONE?

As far as I can see DROP ZONES need to be "incoming primed" to be effective?

Let us try open this up more!

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Mohammad et all.

On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 16:03:45 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out a 
few more methods I use

   - If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the 
   browser (no need for opening your file manger)
   - If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or 
   FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser 
   downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
   - You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site click 
   to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick and easy 
   method to build bookmarklets to drop on your favourites/bookmarks could be 
   another interwiki transfer method. 

I did not understand this solution! Would you please explain this!


Sure. 

As a tiddlywiki user I deal with html files (wikis) and plugins and JSON 
files all the time. Thus any work flow improvements are welcome. 

If you want to get something, the typical approaches are;

   - Drag from one wiki to another
   - Download a file then open it in the file system and drag and drop it
   - After downloading import the desired file to your current tiddlywiki

However the modern browsers allow you to download a file (no where 
particular like the downloads folder), the recently downloaded file is 
listed in down loads, and you can open it from there OR drag a file from 
there and drop it on a wiki in the browser tab.

Lets say I come across a new plugin or a json tiddler, I just want to test.

   1. Go to tiddlywiki.com and download empty.html
   2. Go to the download manager and open it (empty.htm) opens in a tab)
   3. Go to the link and download the resource (file plugin etc) you want
   4. Now drag this recently downloaded resource (file) onto the tab with 
   empty html
   5. With Timimi installed I can save and reload and test the plugin
   6. If I am happy with that I close the tab and forget about it.
   7. Also this takes place in a single browser and tab, I have no need to 
   visit the file system

Of course

   1. If drag and drop is a available I use it.
   2. If I want to retain the result I may rename and move it!
   3. If something is in your download manger it can be dropped on multiple 
   wikis without leaving the browser.


Futures

   1. Drag /download  " objects from one wiki to another" such as todos and 
   streams and more
  1. Test data and more
   

Regards
Tones

On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 16:03:45 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Tones!
>
> Thank you for this!
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out a 
>> few more methods I use
>>
>>- If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the 
>>browser (no need for opening your file manger)
>>- If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or 
>>FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser 
>>downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
>>- You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site 
>>click to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick 
>>and easy method to build bookmarklets to drop on your 
>> favourites/bookmarks 
>>could be another interwiki transfer method. 
>>
>> I did not understand this solution! Would you please explain this!
>
>
>
>>- Bookmarklets themselves can be dragged between Browsers such as 
>>FireFox and Chrome to wikis or bookmarks.
>>
>> I would also like to see the existing zip mechaisium used to allow the 
>> dropping of tiddler into a wiki stored zip file. Ideally these activities 
>> can be design to use consistent interfaces and methods so learning one 
>> helps you learn another.
>>
>> I can confirm it would be possible to be able to drop tiddlers into a 
>> plugin with a little design.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:35:54 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad ...
>>>
>>> ... Footnote to my last ... in browser the experimental Bookmarklet for 
>>> WikiLink versions of title/url looks like this ...
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-17 113231.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 11:27:35 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao

 The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things. 
 Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.

 I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look 
 like?* 
 ONE interface, multiple methods?

 For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format, 
 I hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know 
 JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...

 (Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra 
 way we might look into?*

 *Bookmark 

Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Tones!

Thank you for this!

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out a
> few more methods I use
>
>- If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the
>browser (no need for opening your file manger)
>- If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or
>FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser
>downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
>- You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site click
>to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick and easy
>method to build bookmarklets to drop on your favourites/bookmarks could be
>another interwiki transfer method.
>
> I did not understand this solution! Would you please explain this!



>- Bookmarklets themselves can be dragged between Browsers such as
>FireFox and Chrome to wikis or bookmarks.
>
> I would also like to see the existing zip mechaisium used to allow the
> dropping of tiddler into a wiki stored zip file. Ideally these activities
> can be design to use consistent interfaces and methods so learning one
> helps you learn another.
>
> I can confirm it would be possible to be able to drop tiddlers into a
> plugin with a little design.
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:35:54 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Mohammad ...
>>
>> ... Footnote to my last ... in browser the experimental Bookmarklet for
>> WikiLink versions of title/url looks like this ...
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-17 113231.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 11:27:35 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things.
>>> Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look like?*
>>>
>>> ONE interface, multiple methods?
>>>
>>> For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format,
>>> I hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know
>>> JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...
>>>
>>> (Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra
>>> way we might look into?*
>>>
>>> *Bookmark name*: Copy link as WikiText
>>> *URL*:  
>>> javascript:text='[['+document.title+'|'+location.href+']]';window.prompt('Copy
>>> to clipboard: Ctrl+C, Enter',text);false
>>>
>>>  I will write later about other aspects.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 10:09:21 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi TT,

Very nice, simple and semantic!

If I have found free time, I will look in my collection of bookmarklets! I
think there are several solutions, one of them works with Node.JS and is
very similar to TiddlyClip!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:57 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao
>
> The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things.
> Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.
>
> I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look like?*
> ONE interface, multiple methods?
>
> For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format, I
> hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know
> JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...
>
> (Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra way
> we might look into?*
>
> *Bookmark name*: Copy link as WikiText
> *URL*:  
> javascript:text='[['+document.title+'|'+location.href+']]';window.prompt('Copy
> to clipboard: Ctrl+C, Enter',text);false
>
>  I will write later about other aspects.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 10:09:21 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Folks,

Just to supplement the drag and drop conversation I wanted to point out a 
few more methods I use

   - If you download a wiki simply clicking on it will open it in the 
   browser (no need for opening your file manger)
   - If you download a plugin or JSON in Chrome (listed at bottom) or 
   FireFox (behind download button) you can simply drag from the browser 
   downloads on top of a wiki  (no need for opening your file manger).
   - You can load a set of tiddlers into a bookmarklet, on any site click 
   to install (download) that content to the current tiddler. A Quick and easy 
   method to build bookmarklets to drop on your favourites/bookmarks could be 
   another interwiki transfer method. 
   - Bookmarklets themselves can be dragged between Browsers such as 
   FireFox and Chrome to wikis or bookmarks.

I would also like to see the existing zip mechaisium used to allow the 
dropping of tiddler into a wiki stored zip file. Ideally these activities 
can be design to use consistent interfaces and methods so learning one 
helps you learn another.

I can confirm it would be possible to be able to drop tiddlers into a 
plugin with a little design.

Regards
Tones
On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 19:35:54 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Mohammad ...
>
> ... Footnote to my last ... in browser the experimental Bookmarklet for 
> WikiLink versions of title/url looks like this ...
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-17 113231.jpg]
>
> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 11:27:35 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao
>>
>> The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things. 
>> Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.
>>
>> I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look like?* 
>> ONE interface, multiple methods?
>>
>> For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format, I 
>> hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know 
>> JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...
>>
>> (Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra way 
>> we might look into?*
>>
>> *Bookmark name*: Copy link as WikiText
>> *URL*:  
>> javascript:text='[['+document.title+'|'+location.href+']]';window.prompt('Copy
>>  
>> to clipboard: Ctrl+C, Enter',text);false
>>
>>  I will write later about other aspects.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 10:09:21 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohammad ...

... Footnote to my last ... in browser the experimental Bookmarklet for 
WikiLink versions of title/url looks like this ...

[image: Screenshot 2021-05-17 113231.jpg]

On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 11:27:35 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao
>
> The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things. 
> Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.
>
> I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look like?* 
> ONE interface, multiple methods?
>
> For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format, I 
> hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know 
> JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...
>
> (Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra way 
> we might look into?*
>
> *Bookmark name*: Copy link as WikiText
> *URL*:  
> javascript:text='[['+document.title+'|'+location.href+']]';window.prompt('Copy
>  
> to clipboard: Ctrl+C, Enter',text);false
>
>  I will write later about other aspects.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 10:09:21 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao

The whole thread is very interesting! It touches on a lot of things. 
Unfortunately my mind is going in different directions :-(.

I'm trying to think *what an INTEGRATED LINK HARVESTER would look like?* 
ONE interface, multiple methods?

For instance to capture page TITLES, not just urls, in WikiText format, I 
hacked a browser BOOKMARKLET [very easy to do even if you don't know 
JavaScript] that will let you copy the URL and the TITLE ...

(Only tested on desktop FF & Chrome ...) *Just indicative of a extra way we 
might look into?*

*Bookmark name*: Copy link as WikiText
*URL*:  
javascript:text='[['+document.title+'|'+location.href+']]';window.prompt('Copy 
to clipboard: Ctrl+C, Enter',text);false

 I will write later about other aspects.

Best wishes
TT


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> Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

@Tones
I see some useful ideas in your post! but we need to separate them and see
how we can tackle them

@TT
I think we need a proper regex pattern to handle these cases like youtube
links ( a great example)
Still I am not clear how you drop a tiddler on the same dropzone and why
not use a simple title link?
If they are from some local wikis, then why not use the searchwikis tool!
note folder and name can simply be changed and then all those bookmarks
need to be revised!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:18 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Tones & Mohammad
>
> TW Tones wrote:
>
>>
>>-
>>   - So we can test a title for prefixes http/https/mailto/ftp/file
>>   etc
>>   - Suffixes .jpg/ .png/  .htm/.html/index.html/"/" also lets us
>>   further characterise tiddler titles sourced from URL/URI's
>>   - We can even test for prefixes and suffixes
>>  - with domains "https://tiddlywiki.com; and paths "
>>  https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions;
>>  - or tiddlers #tiddlername
>>  - or [[myfilter]]
>>
>> RIGHT.
>
> Matching via Regular Expressions any of those patterns would be *pretty
> easy*.
>
> The ISSUE, I think, is DIFFERENTIATION.
>
> Is a dropzone for EVERYTHING?
>
> Dropzone as Mohammad made will (correctly) IGNORE anything that does not
> match pattern.
>
> Tones, as the multi-armed Shiva, wants breakfast and lunch simultaneously
> :-).
>
> Let me comment with a precise example ...
>
> I want to capture links from YouTube and I DO NOT need the root. Actually
> I only need the SPECIFIC IDENTIFIER.
>
> So 
>
> For example The Hutterite Mile
> 
>
> We strip off root and mode, either from ...
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/embed/n_Uvh_Ts62U
>
> OR from ...
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Uvh_Ts62U
>
> It would be EASY to capture from d-n-d just "*n_Uvh_Ts62U*" from either.
>
> I think the point is that the APP for this kind of d-n-d is related to
> PURPOSE.
>
> My question: *ONE dropzone, or several? * What is the dropzone FOR?
>
> *In the spirit of discussion!*
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 9:36 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

>  Mohammad wrote:
>
>>  I did some modification with respect to your latest request.
>>
>
> Thankyou!
>
>
>> But I myself prefer to edit the new bookmark in its own tiddler
>>  the reason is the current solution may overwrite if you have another
>> tiddler with the modified title
>>
>
>  Right! For your purpose that is much better!
>
> *I have more thought **on the design IF you want more! *Let me know.
>

Please share, someone my take quicker action ;-)

>
> Very best
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Tones & Mohammad

TW Tones wrote:

>
>- 
>   - So we can test a title for prefixes http/https/mailto/ftp/file etc
>   - Suffixes .jpg/ .png/  .htm/.html/index.html/"/" also lets us 
>   further characterise tiddler titles sourced from URL/URI's
>   - We can even test for prefixes and suffixes 
>  - with domains "https://tiddlywiki.com; and paths "
>  https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions;
>  - or tiddlers #tiddlername
>  - or [[myfilter]]
>   
> RIGHT.

Matching via Regular Expressions any of those patterns would be *pretty 
easy*.

The ISSUE, I think, is DIFFERENTIATION. 

Is a dropzone for EVERYTHING?

Dropzone as Mohammad made will (correctly) IGNORE anything that does not 
match pattern.

Tones, as the multi-armed Shiva, wants breakfast and lunch simultaneously 
:-).

Let me comment with a precise example ...

I want to capture links from YouTube and I DO NOT need the root. Actually I 
only need the SPECIFIC IDENTIFIER. 

So 

For example The Hutterite Mile 

We strip off root and mode, either from ...

 https://www.youtube.com/embed/n_Uvh_Ts62U

OR from ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Uvh_Ts62U

It would be EASY to capture from d-n-d just "*n_Uvh_Ts62U*" from either.

I think the point is that the APP for this kind of d-n-d is related to 
PURPOSE.

My question: *ONE dropzone, or several? * What is the dropzone FOR?

*In the spirit of discussion!*
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Mohammad,

Thanks for your work on this. I just wanted to share/dump some thoughts 
that we may consider.

   - I support the idea of tiddler per link because there are many ways in 
   which a drag can create a tiddler
  - Examples include in projectify and Streams, from the side bar, 
  dragging items from bookmarks, the browser address bar and more
   - With a tiddler having a title of protocol:// eg http:// 
  - we need then to convert it to a clickable link such as moving it to 
  a field and building a link icon
   - This link > tiddler title is the easiest dare we say native behaviour, 
   So my thoughts are to build a title handling tool on which bookmarking 
   tools can leverage the title ands the following; As I have done in the 
   past, testing a title (or any string/line for that matter) for known 
   prefixes even suffixes may be the way to go.
  - So we can test a title for prefixes http/https/mailto/ftp/file etc
  - Suffixes .jpg/ .png/  .htm/.html/index.html/"/" also lets us 
  further characterise tiddler titles sourced from URL/URI's
  - We can even test for prefixes and suffixes 
 - with domains "https://tiddlywiki.com; and paths 
 "https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions;
 - or tiddlers #tiddlername
 - or [[myfilter]]
  
The advantage of such an approach would be keeping all the ease of drag and 
drop and processing titles into bookmarks as and when needed.


   - A recent discussion about compound fields would allow the transfer of 
   titles into fields eg url, url..name, url..target this can then be opened 
   to allow one tiddler to have multiple urls such as discussion-link 
   discussion-link..name discussion-link..target then we can present icons for 
   all the named url or *-link on a tiddler.
   - Another discussion was around generating titles, for example extract 
   the domain (and an increment) as the tiddler title after saving the link to 
   field(s)

This is brief I know, happy to discuss further.

Tones

On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 02:43:14 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Josiah,
>  I did some modification with respect to your latest request. But I myself 
> prefer to edit the new bookmark in its own tiddler
>  the reason is the current solution may overwrite if you have another 
> tiddler with the modified title
>
> Changes
>
>1. use latest pattern by TT
>2. use latest filter by TT
>3. shows an edit area on dropping a new url
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:51 AM TiddlyTweeter  
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM TiddlyTweeter  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 UPDATE: This is slightly better: {{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^ 
 *(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.*/)],[]] }}} 
>>>
>>>
>>> YES! I tested and it works fine for me!
>>>
>>
>> *Good! *
>>
>> In playing with your tool I do think having a reveal that appears once 
>> you d-n-d an address to allow you to *edit both the Index and Value* is 
>> a good idea.
>>
>> One *use case* where it would be essential would be for RELATIVE 
>> addresses (they would need always to be edited manually). 
>>
>> The advantage of relative addressing is that it will work both offline 
>> locally AND online for a site with the same structure of files. 
>> Could be useful in having just one system for creating portable 
>> INTER-PAGE linkage?
>>
>> Just a comment
>> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

 Mohammad wrote:

>  I did some modification with respect to your latest request. 
>

Thankyou!
 

> But I myself prefer to edit the new bookmark in its own tiddler
>  the reason is the current solution may overwrite if you have another 
> tiddler with the modified title
>

 Right! For your purpose that is much better!

*I have more thought **on the design IF you want more! *Let me know.

Very best
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Josiah,
 I did some modification with respect to your latest request. But I myself
prefer to edit the new bookmark in its own tiddler
 the reason is the current solution may overwrite if you have another
tiddler with the modified title

Changes

   1. use latest pattern by TT
   2. use latest filter by TT
   3. shows an edit area on dropping a new url




Best wishes
Mohammad


On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:51 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM TiddlyTweeter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UPDATE: This is slightly better: {{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^
>>> *(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.*/)],[]] }}}
>>
>>
>> YES! I tested and it works fine for me!
>>
>
> *Good! *
>
> In playing with your tool I do think having a reveal that appears once you
> d-n-d an address to allow you to *edit both the Index and Value* is a
> good idea.
>
> One *use case* where it would be essential would be for RELATIVE
> addresses (they would need always to be edited manually).
>
> The advantage of relative addressing is that it will work both offline
> locally AND online for a site with the same structure of files.
> Could be useful in having just one system for creating portable INTER-PAGE
> linkage?
>
> Just a comment
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohammad wrote:

> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> UPDATE: This is slightly better: {{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^ 
>> *(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.*/)],[]] }}} 
>
>
> YES! I tested and it works fine for me!
>

*Good! *

In playing with your tool I do think having a reveal that appears once you 
d-n-d an address to allow you to *edit both the Index and Value* is a good 
idea.

One *use case* where it would be essential would be for RELATIVE addresses 
(they would need always to be edited manually). 

The advantage of relative addressing is that it will work both offline 
locally AND online for a site with the same structure of files. 
Could be useful in having just one system for creating portable INTER-PAGE 
linkage?

Just a comment
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohammad wrote:

> 3. Regarding the data of access, yes you can remove it, but I think APA7 
> recommend having the access date!
>

*Right! *
Both APA & Chicago citation style manuals, correctly, for full citation 
from the web, need the "access date" adding.

If you don't need that kind of bibliographic detail then it is not needed.

Best wishes
TT
 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> UPDATE: This is slightly better: {{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^
> *(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.*/)],[]] }}}


YES! I tested and it works fine for me!

Thank you

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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UPDATE: This is slightly better: {{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^ 
*(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.*/)],[]] }}} 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

Rather than "trim" I did an experiment with the newish search-replace 
operator  

{{{ [search-replace:gi:regexp[^ 
*(https?://(www\.)?|ftp:///|file:///.+/|news:|mailto:|\$:.+/)],[]] }}} 

*Still in testing!* It needs work yet. BUT the advantage is you can 
truncate links for "title" *according to each case*.

It seems to work better for local links ...

[image: Screenshot 2021-05-13 19.jpg]
On Wednesday, 12 May 2021 at 21:46:28 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:54 PM TiddlyTweeter  
> wrote:
>
>> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>>
 NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki 
 itself. 
>>>
>>> Mohammad wrote: 
>>
>>> Okay! As I assumed Bookmarker is used to bookmark external links! For me 
>>> external links work fine!
>>> You can check the type of item (dragged and dropped item) to see if it 
>>> is a tiddler and then you can take better / separate action.
>>>
>>
>> Right. BUT. Both External AND Internal links are needed for optimal use! 
>> The issue is OFTEN I have a LOCAL tiddler I want to associate with an 
>> EXTERNAL link.
>>
>> I think, practically, using ONE method for BOTH is the best way??? :-)
>>
>
> Agree! I mean you can check the action macro in your code! It can check if 
> the dropped item is a tiddler (internal) or it is an external link!
> Then take the proper actions
>
>>
>> Just a comment, TT 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

I understood the TT issue correctly, or I can imagine another;

 a link from one wiki https://tiddlywiki.com/#Community could result in a 
link [[Community]] in a destination drop zone, this makes me think of 
absolute and relative links encountered in Excel or other spreadsheets. 
This is useful if you want to drag a tiddler "reference" in one wiki to 
another mostly to point to system tiddlers. Perhaps alt-drag could drop 
tiddlers with the url component removed. This is also helpful when writing 
and dropping titles into content and especially documenting tiddlywiki 
customisations and hacks.

Tones

On Thursday, 13 May 2021 at 05:46:28 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:54 PM TiddlyTweeter  
> wrote:
>
>> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>>
 NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki 
 itself. 
>>>
>>> Mohammad wrote: 
>>
>>> Okay! As I assumed Bookmarker is used to bookmark external links! For me 
>>> external links work fine!
>>> You can check the type of item (dragged and dropped item) to see if it 
>>> is a tiddler and then you can take better / separate action.
>>>
>>
>> Right. BUT. Both External AND Internal links are needed for optimal use! 
>> The issue is OFTEN I have a LOCAL tiddler I want to associate with an 
>> EXTERNAL link.
>>
>> I think, practically, using ONE method for BOTH is the best way??? :-)
>>
>
> Agree! I mean you can check the action macro in your code! It can check if 
> the dropped item is a tiddler (internal) or it is an external link!
> Then take the proper actions
>
>>
>> Just a comment, TT 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:54 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>
>>> NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki
>>> itself.
>>
>> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Okay! As I assumed Bookmarker is used to bookmark external links! For me
>> external links work fine!
>> You can check the type of item (dragged and dropped item) to see if it is
>> a tiddler and then you can take better / separate action.
>>
>
> Right. BUT. Both External AND Internal links are needed for optimal use!
> The issue is OFTEN I have a LOCAL tiddler I want to associate with an
> EXTERNAL link.
>
> I think, practically, using ONE method for BOTH is the best way??? :-)
>

Agree! I mean you can check the action macro in your code! It can check if
the dropped item is a tiddler (internal) or it is an external link!
Then take the proper actions

>
> Just a comment, TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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>
> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki 
>> itself. 
>
> Mohammad wrote: 

> Okay! As I assumed Bookmarker is used to bookmark external links! For me 
> external links work fine!
> You can check the type of item (dragged and dropped item) to see if it is 
> a tiddler and then you can take better / separate action.
>

Right. BUT. Both External AND Internal links are needed for optimal use! 
The issue is OFTEN I have a LOCAL tiddler I want to associate with an 
EXTERNAL link.

I think, practically, using ONE method for BOTH is the best way??? :-)

Just a comment, TT 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:07 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki
> itself.



Okay! As I assumed Bookmarker is used to bookmark external links! For me
external links work fine!
You can check the type of item (dragged and dropped item) to see if it is a
tiddler and then you can take better / separate action.



>
> Mohammad asked:
>
>> Do you drag the link from browser address bar?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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NO. NOT for those internal links. I simply d-n-d from  within the wiki 
itself. 

Mohammad asked:

> Do you drag the link from browser address bar?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad]

Do you drag the link from browser address bar?

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:26:33 PM UTC+4:30 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>
> I added to the Pattern so the local system wiki could be included too ...
>>>
>>>  pattern="^\ *(\$|https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$"
>>>
>>  
> Mohammad wrote: 
>
>> This is your area of expertise! I tested your proposed pattern and it 
>> works fine for me!
>>
>>>
>>> It is NOT a solution as the trim [] makes $: unusable.
>>>
>>
>> The trim[] can be replaced with a remove prefix or split[], but it is the 
>> simplest!
>> I did not get what the issue is with $!
>>
>
> The problem is, at the moment, the link gets truncated to ONLY the first 
> part of the address ... here is an example ...
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-12 194748.jpg]  
>
> *For LOCAL wiki I think that is a problem?*
>
> Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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>
> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> I added to the Pattern so the local system wiki could be included too ...
>>
>>  pattern="^\ *(\$|https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$"
>>
>  
Mohammad wrote: 

> This is your area of expertise! I tested your proposed pattern and it 
> works fine for me!
>
>>
>> It is NOT a solution as the trim [] makes $: unusable.
>>
>
> The trim[] can be replaced with a remove prefix or split[], but it is the 
> simplest!
> I did not get what the issue is with $!
>

The problem is, at the moment, the link gets truncated to ONLY the first 
part of the address ... here is an example ...

[image: Screenshot 2021-05-12 194748.jpg]  

*For LOCAL wiki I think that is a problem?*

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 8:45 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mohammad


Hi TT,

>
> I got VERY interested in what you doing on this  ...
>

Thank you!

>
> I added to the Pattern so the local system wiki could be included too ...
>
>  pattern="^\ *(\$|https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$"
>


This is your area of expertise! I tested your proposed pattern and it works
fine for me!

>
> It is NOT a solution as the trim [] makes $: unusable.
>

The trim[] can be replaced with a remove prefix or split[], but it is the
simplest!
I did not get what the issue is with $!



> BUT my key point is that your concept behind this tool idea is
> right-on-the-ball.
>
> It is a very elegant, simple, idea that I hope will develop into a
> full-scale utility!
>



>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

Thank you TT



>
> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 05:53:23 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 1:00 AM TiddlyTweeter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 Hi TT,

>>>
>>>
 In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>
>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>
> Lovely! one minor comment:

 1. I like to check the validity of links! So if one drops something
 like this (http.yahoo.com) or this (yahoo.come.) it wont detect this
 and will add the wrong link!
 So, I prefer a URL validator for pattern. What I sent catches all
 these and only passed the validated URL.

>>>
>>> RIGHT!
>>>
>>> I differ in ASSUMING the link IN is VALID. I don't want to deal with
>>> naughty boys.
>>>
>>> That is part of the value of showing the TITLE & LINK for edit though,
>>> so you can DISCARD errant boys.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this is very handy!
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Personally I am NOT inclined to parse links for  perfection.
>>> What if they are in Chinese?
>>>
>>
>> Yep, that is a problem! The solution does work most of the time as you
>> use English URL much more!
>>
>>
>>
>>> The issue with your extra parsing is it I do not think it is entirely
>>> fair?
>>>
>>> Just a question!!!
>>>
>>> TT, x
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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Ciao Mohammad

I got VERY interested in what you doing on this  ...

I added to the Pattern so the local system wiki could be included too ...

 pattern="^\ *(\$|https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$"

It is NOT a solution as the trim [] makes $: unusable.

BUT my key point is that your concept behind this tool idea is 
right-on-the-ball.

It is a very elegant, simple, idea that I hope will develop into a 
full-scale utility!

Best wishes
TT

On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 05:53:23 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 1:00 AM TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>>  Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi TT,
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!

-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$

 Lovely! one minor comment:
>>>
>>> 1. I like to check the validity of links! So if one drops something 
>>> like this (http.yahoo.com) or this (yahoo.come.) it wont detect this 
>>> and will add the wrong link!
>>> So, I prefer a URL validator for pattern. What I sent catches all 
>>> these and only passed the validated URL.
>>>
>>
>> RIGHT!
>>
>> I differ in ASSUMING the link IN is VALID. I don't want to deal with 
>> naughty boys.
>>
>> That is part of the value of showing the TITLE & LINK for edit though, so 
>> you can DISCARD errant boys.
>>
>
> Yes, this is very handy!
>
>  
>
>>
>> Personally I am NOT inclined to parse links for  perfection. 
>> What if they are in Chinese? 
>>
>
> Yep, that is a problem! The solution does work most of the time as you use 
> English URL much more!
>
>  
>
>> The issue with your extra parsing is it I do not think it is entirely 
>> fair? 
>>
>> Just a question!!!
>>
>> TT, x
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 1:00 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

>  Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi TT,
>>
>
>
>> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>>>
>>>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>>>
>>> Lovely! one minor comment:
>>
>> 1. I like to check the validity of links! So if one drops something
>> like this (http.yahoo.com) or this (yahoo.come.) it wont detect this and
>> will add the wrong link!
>> So, I prefer a URL validator for pattern. What I sent catches all
>> these and only passed the validated URL.
>>
>
> RIGHT!
>
> I differ in ASSUMING the link IN is VALID. I don't want to deal with
> naughty boys.
>
> That is part of the value of showing the TITLE & LINK for edit though, so
> you can DISCARD errant boys.
>

Yes, this is very handy!



>
> Personally I am NOT inclined to parse links for  perfection.
> What if they are in Chinese?
>

Yep, that is a problem! The solution does work most of the time as you use
English URL much more!



> The issue with your extra parsing is it I do not think it is entirely
> fair?
>
> Just a question!!!
>
> TT, x
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi TT,
>
 

> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>>
>>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>>
>> Lovely! one minor comment:
>
> 1. I like to check the validity of links! So if one drops something 
> like this (http.yahoo.com) or this (yahoo.come.) it wont detect this and 
> will add the wrong link!
> So, I prefer a URL validator for pattern. What I sent catches all 
> these and only passed the validated URL.
>

RIGHT!

I differ in ASSUMING the link IN is VALID. I don't want to deal with 
naughty boys.

That is part of the value of showing the TITLE & LINK for edit though, so 
you can DISCARD errant boys.

Personally I am NOT inclined to parse links for  perfection. 
What if they are in Chinese? 
The issue with your extra parsing is it I do not think it is entirely fair? 

Just a question!!!

TT, x

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:42 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mohammad
>
> To clarify, I worked a bit to get the tool to first post to a temporary
> you can edit ...
>
> This is JUST a visual demo of the *general idea to edit before save??*
>

WOW, very nice! The possibility to edit the title in place looks very
useful here!





>
> JUST thoughts, TT
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-05-10 210424.jpg]
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:34:09 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Mohammad
>>
>> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>>
>>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>>
>> With something like this ...
>>
>>- {{{ [trim[https://]trim[http://]trim[www.]trim[ftp://
>>]trim[file:///]trim[news:]trim[mailto:]split[/]!is[blank]first[]join[.]]
>>}}}
>>
>> Any of those protocols a user does not support yet in a browser should be
>> prompted for by the BROWSER.
>>
>> Just a comment. NOT fully tested yet but seems okay so far.
>> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 4:04 PM TiddlyTweeter 
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> Ciao Mohammad


Hi TT,



>
> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>
>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>
>
Lovely! one minor comment:

1. I like to check the validity of links! So if one drops something
like this (http.yahoo.com) or this (yahoo.come.) it wont detect this and
will add the wrong link!
So, I prefer a URL validator for pattern. What I sent catches all these
and only passed the validated URL.
2. It does not recognize file
3. Regarding the data of access, yes you can remove it, but I think APA7
recommend having the access date!




> With something like this ...
>
>- {{{ [trim[https://]trim[http://]trim[www.]trim[ftp://
>]trim[file:///]trim[news:]trim[mailto:]split[/]!is[blank]first[]join[.]]
>}}}
>
> Any of those protocols a user does not support yet in a browser should be
> prompted for by the BROWSER.
>
> Just a comment. NOT fully tested yet but seems okay so far.
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thank you Jeremy and TT for the hints!
I will give a try!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 3:29 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sadly, browsers do not allow JavaScript code running in TiddlyWiki to
>> obtain the window title corresponding to a particular URL.
>>
>> A different approach that could work is to write a bookmarklet that runs
>> in the context of the page being bookmarked; it would have full access to
>> the page content, including the window title. It wouldn't have access to
>> TiddlyWiki, though, so perhaps the best it could do is to popup a window to
>> fill in the tags etc, and then download a .json file of the link tiddler
>> that could later be imported into a wiki.
>>
>
> Thanks Jeremy. That is useful for me to be clearer about!
> And for Mohammad to know.
>
> Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

To clarify, I worked a bit to get the tool to first post to a temporary you 
can edit ...

This is JUST a visual demo of the *general idea to edit before save??*

JUST thoughts, TT

[image: Screenshot 2021-05-10 210424.jpg]

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:34:09 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Mohammad
>
> In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!
>
>-  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$
>
> With something like this ...
>
>- {{{ 
>
> [trim[https://]trim[http://]trim[www.]trim[ftp://]trim[file:///]trim[news:]trim[mailto:]split[/]!is[blank]first[]join[.]]
>  
>}}}
>
> Any of those protocols a user does not support yet in a browser should be 
> prompted for by the BROWSER. 
>
> Just a comment. NOT fully tested yet but seems okay so far.
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

In my own testing so far this more minimal regex seems to work ... !!

   -  pattern="^\ *(https?|ftp|file|news|data|mailto):.+$

With something like this ...

   - {{{ 
   
[trim[https://]trim[http://]trim[www.]trim[ftp://]trim[file:///]trim[news:]trim[mailto:]split[/]!is[blank]first[]join[.]]
 
   }}}

Any of those protocols a user does not support yet in a browser should be 
prompted for by the BROWSER. 

Just a comment. NOT fully tested yet but seems okay so far.
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sadly, browsers do not allow JavaScript code running in TiddlyWiki to 
> obtain the window title corresponding to a particular URL. 
>
> A different approach that could work is to write a bookmarklet that runs 
> in the context of the page being bookmarked; it would have full access to 
> the page content, including the window title. It wouldn't have access to 
> TiddlyWiki, though, so perhaps the best it could do is to popup a window to 
> fill in the tags etc, and then download a .json file of the link tiddler 
> that could later be imported into a wiki.
>

Thanks Jeremy. That is useful for me to be clearer about! 
And for Mohammad to know.

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Jeremy Ruston]

Sadly, browsers do not allow JavaScript code running in TiddlyWiki to obtain 
the window title corresponding to a particular URL. 

A different approach that could work is to write a bookmarklet that runs in the 
context of the page being bookmarked; it would have full access to the page 
content, including the window title. It wouldn't have access to TiddlyWiki, 
though, so perhaps the best it could do is to popup a window to fill in the 
tags etc, and then download a .json file of the link tiddler that could later 
be imported into a wiki.

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> On 10 May 2021, at 09:57, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ciao Mohammad & si-matthew
> 
>> si  wrote:
>>> @Mohammad Really nice! I've stayed away from drag and drop up until now, so 
>>> I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
>>> 
>>> The bookmarker is a great example. It works particularly well in Vivaldi if 
>>> you have your wiki open in the sidebar - no having to jump between tabs. It 
>>> would be cool if it could pull the title of the page as well as the URL, 
>>> but I imagine this would require some JavaScript magic?
> 
> Mohammad replied ... 
>> I like this feature too! I think yes JS is needed, at least I do not know 
>> how to extract data using wikitext!
> 
>> but I am looking forward to any solution / idea.
> 
> My GUESS is that it may be possible to use this tool alongside a browser 
> Bookmarklet?
> 
> Jeremy actually posted one that you could click to create a link tiddler. I 
> just haven't been able to find it in the Google Group yet.
> 
> My thought is that rather than immediately create a "Link Tiddler", as it 
> currently works, is it creates a temporary tiddler. 
> In that way one might be able to use it in parallel with other methods? 
> Meaning, for instance, a browser bookmarklet might be able to fill the same 
> temporary "Link Tiddler" fields?
> 
>  ALSO one could use the edit widget to change the "title" IF needed before 
> final save to a "Link Tiddler"?
> 
> I hope this is clear!
> 
> Just thoughts!
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

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Ciao Mohammad & si-matthew 

si  wrote:
>
>> @Mohammad Really nice! I've stayed away from drag and drop up until now, 
>> so I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
>>
>> The bookmarker is a great example. It works particularly well in Vivaldi 
>> if you have your wiki open in the sidebar - no having to jump between tabs. 
>> It would be cool if it could pull the title of the page as well as the URL, 
>> but I imagine this would require some JavaScript magic?
>>
>
Mohammad replied ... 

> I like this feature too! I think yes JS is needed, at least I do not know 
> how to extract data using wikitext! 
>

*but I am looking forward to any solution / idea.*
>

*My GUESS is that it may be possible to use this tool alongside a browser 
Bookmarklet?*

Jeremy actually posted one that you could click to create a link tiddler. I 
just haven't been able to find it in the Google Group yet.

My thought is that rather than immediately create a "Link Tiddler", as it 
currently works, is it creates a temporary tiddler. 
In that way one might be able to use it in parallel with other methods? 
Meaning, for instance, a browser bookmarklet might be able to fill the same 
temporary "Link Tiddler" fields?

 ALSO one could use the edit widget to change the "title" IF needed before 
final save to a "Link Tiddler"?

*I hope this is clear!*

Just thoughts!
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:58 AM si  wrote:

> @Mohammad Really nice! I've stayed away from drag and drop up until now,
> so I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
>
> The bookmarker is a great example. It works particularly well in Vivaldi
> if you have your wiki open in the sidebar - no having to jump between tabs.
> It would be cool if it could pull the title of the page as well as the URL,
> but I imagine this would require some JavaScript magic?
>

I like this feature too! I think yes JS is needed, at least I do not know
how to extract data using wikitext! but I am looking forward to any
solution / idea.


> @TT I'm also finding that it doesn't work in Firefox (v88, Windows 10).
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 20:00:14 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> *Example 1: Bookmarker Zone*
>>
>> Drag and drop a valid url to create a bookmark
>>
>>
>>1. Attached JSON contains three tiddler
>>2. Download and drag and drop into https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>3. Look at sidebar and open Bookmarker
>>4. drag and drop VALID url over the dropzone of  Bookmarker
>>5. See new bookmark created
>>6. The code is smart to do nothing if you drag and drop a text or a
>>tiddler only valid URL works!
>>
>>
>> Kudos must go to *Eric Shulman* for demystifying droppable widget! and *Tones
>> *for asking for this feature!
>>
>> This code can be further expanded and customized!
>>
>> See attached demo clip.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:45 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While drag and drop is not a new feature in Tiddlywiki, but it is a bit
>>> tricky to develop tools based on it.
>>> There are a lot of great use cases for it [1]. This feature has
>>> recently been improved [2] and there is still work in progress to address
>>> issues and make it more powerful!
>>>
>>> I am working on a resource to demystify the drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki
>>> lets all users use and customize it in their development for different
>>> purposes!
>>>
>>> Please kindly share your scripts, tools, and examples for drag-N-drop in
>>> Tiddlywiki. I will do
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> Ref
>>> [1] https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/dDMG3Ocb29s/m/J0hYKp0qBAAJ
>>> [2] https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/OR48TT_loB8/m/OY3LMOrDBAAJ
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:52 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> I dropped rev02 on triddlywiki.com and its a not working, the only
> symptom I see is the green download bar is displayed.
>

Tones,

I checked the rev02 again! It works!
Note only drag and drop a valid link!

Thank you

>
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 15:53:07 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi TT,
>>  Good to read your reply! I was  writing you and I saw your email
>>
>>1. the regex is your area of expertise, please check the pattern, I
>>just generated it in regex101 and not sure if it correct but it works
>>2. yes, please add the file:///
>>3. a second version is attached which is remove https, http, ftp
>>prefixes and drop part after first /, so it keeps the domain (e.g
>>mail.google.com)
>>4. the template can be customized per user and you can add/remove
>>what you like, note to also correct `createBookmark` macro
>>
>> So please go ahead and let me know your corrections!
>>
>> Side note: naming and caption is for my doc Tiddlywiki, change to fit
>> your own requirements!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:07 AM TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao Mohammad
>>>
>>> Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 *Example 1: Bookmarker Zone*

 Drag and drop a valid url to create a bookmark

>>>
>>> Just FYI, I haven't got it working in my Firefox yet. Chrome, yes. Maybe
>>> that is just me? Something weird in my Firefox?
>>>
>>> Couple of other points ...
>>>
>>>- I might try and adapt a version so that the links are *stored in
>>>data dictionaries*. That better suits my practice as I just tend to
>>>use links for a while and then delete them. All I normally use is the 
>>> link
>>>and its title. Dates unneeded for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>- I also link a lot to local files and wiki. So I'd try and change
>>>the "url parsing" to accept "*file:///"*
>>>
>>> *Its very good to see an example like yours to better understand d-n-d!
>>> Tx!*
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[TW Tones]

Mohammad,

I dropped rev02 on triddlywiki.com and its a not working, the only symptom 
I see is the green download bar is displayed.

Tones

On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 15:53:07 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi TT,
>  Good to read your reply! I was  writing you and I saw your email
>
>1. the regex is your area of expertise, please check the pattern, I 
>just generated it in regex101 and not sure if it correct but it works
>2. yes, please add the file:/// 
>3. a second version is attached which is remove https, http, ftp 
>prefixes and drop part after first /, so it keeps the domain (e.g 
>mail.google.com)
>4. the template can be customized per user and you can add/remove what 
>you like, note to also correct `createBookmark` macro
>
> So please go ahead and let me know your corrections!
>
> Side note: naming and caption is for my doc Tiddlywiki, change to fit your 
> own requirements!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:07 AM TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> Ciao Mohammad
>>
>> Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> *Example 1: Bookmarker Zone*
>>>
>>> Drag and drop a valid url to create a bookmark
>>>
>>
>> Just FYI, I haven't got it working in my Firefox yet. Chrome, yes. Maybe 
>> that is just me? Something weird in my Firefox?
>>
>> Couple of other points ...
>>
>>- I might try and adapt a version so that the links are *stored in 
>>data dictionaries*. That better suits my practice as I just tend to 
>>use links for a while and then delete them. All I normally use is the 
>> link 
>>and its title. Dates unneeded for me.
>>
>>
>>- I also link a lot to local files and wiki. So I'd try and change 
>>the "url parsing" to accept "*file:///"*
>>
>> *Its very good to see an example like yours to better understand d-n-d! 
>> Tx!*
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:07 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mohammad
>
> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> *Example 1: Bookmarker Zone*
>>
>> Drag and drop a valid url to create a bookmark
>>
>
> Just FYI, I haven't got it working in my Firefox yet. Chrome, yes. Maybe
> that is just me? Something weird in my Firefox?
>

I tested the rev02 attached in my previous post with FF 88 - Win 10 and it
works fine!

>
> Couple of other points ...
>
>- I might try and adapt a version so that the links are *stored in
>data dictionaries*. That better suits my practice as I just tend to
>use links for a while and then delete them. All I normally use is the link
>and its title. Dates unneeded for me.
>
>
>- I also link a lot to local files and wiki. So I'd try and change the
>"url parsing" to accept "*file:///"*
>
> *Its very good to see an example like yours to better understand d-n-d!
> Tx!*
>
> Best wishes
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Re: Demystify drag-N-drop in Tiddlywiki

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi TT,
 Good to read your reply! I was  writing you and I saw your email

   1. the regex is your area of expertise, please check the pattern, I just
   generated it in regex101 and not sure if it correct but it works
   2. yes, please add the file:///
   3. a second version is attached which is remove https, http, ftp
   prefixes and drop part after first /, so it keeps the domain (e.g
   mail.google.com)
   4. the template can be customized per user and you can add/remove what
   you like, note to also correct `createBookmark` macro

So please go ahead and let me know your corrections!

Side note: naming and caption is for my doc Tiddlywiki, change to fit your
own requirements!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:07 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Mohammad
>
> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> *Example 1: Bookmarker Zone*
>>
>> Drag and drop a valid url to create a bookmark
>>
>
> Just FYI, I haven't got it working in my Firefox yet. Chrome, yes. Maybe
> that is just me? Something weird in my Firefox?
>
> Couple of other points ...
>
>- I might try and adapt a version so that the links are *stored in
>data dictionaries*. That better suits my practice as I just tend to
>use links for a while and then delete them. All I normally use is the link
>and its title. Dates unneeded for me.
>
>
>- I also link a lot to local files and wiki. So I'd try and change the
>"url parsing" to accept "*file:///"*
>
> *Its very good to see an example like yours to better understand d-n-d!
> Tx!*
>
> Best wishes
> TT
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