Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Well, there is no more doubt. You're crazy. Could you please leave me alone? Seriously.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>...and your strange obsession with me.< An obsession takes a long time to develop and to become an obsession in the first place. Your account is one day and a few hours old. Why start on a wrong leg here? Being disruptive is not a good way to build a reputation. You've raised some questions, you've been given answers. You'll have to gain the community's trust before you can turn it upside down.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Yes, that is what I wrote on my account page, and that was approved by the admin, likely because it is a valid question. I'm not at all certain what the contents of my account page has to do with my post on this thread. Id still like for a forum admin to evauate this conversation, and your strange obsession with me. Ill ask you again, to please leave me alone, or at leaste stay on topic.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>After you learn a little bit more the things will be really easier, don't get frustraded yet. Oh I have been frustrated, lol. I attempted several other distros before Trisquel. There was always some issue. Wierless would not work, no mouse, or some such. I'm alright though. Sometimes you have to get mad and take something on before you get a handle on it. Like I said before, its like learning a new language, so it may be a bumpy ride, but Im not giving up. >As I say I am here to help if there is any trouble you have you can ask me, Thank you very much, I may call on you from time to time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Here's what you've written on your account page whe you registered yesterday. "Why is an OS/Forum like Trisquel, which is all about seeking freedom, asking me for my personal information such as First Name, Last Name, Street Address, City, Postal Code, Country, and State?
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Admin?
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
That's an introduction to the link. Don't take it personally. Frankly, I'm quite positive that you've seen the video.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
I said the word 'myth' and you have fabracated the rest of this and turned it into personal accusations and suggesting that I am someone other than who I am. It is my opinion, as you have asked, that these issues, if indeed they are issues, can and ought to be addressed without the links and names. The Matt guy seems to have backed up his claims pretty well, not that that have much to do with my OP outside of programs residing in my RAM, as another pointed out, however, it does prove the Matt guy correct that Linux must be restarted in order to actually get rid of a program. Im stll not certain why this bothers you so bad, or why you have fixed your attention on me and my post?
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Don't worry, there is also the problem that sometimes there are a lot of trolls that come to the forums and sometimes we are not sure if we're facing a troll or a someone that want's real help. But I want to know if you have any more doubts or problems that I can help you with so you have an easier experience :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Is there an Admin who could sort this out? I have no interest in Youtube, I have no idea who this Matthew persona is, and I am certainly doen with this "Loldier" persons accusations. If an Admin will contact me through my email I will provide my personal information. This is becoming childish. Please stop.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
You should watch the video. It deals with the myths you've raised. ---viruses in GNU/Linux (Windows exe) ---rebooting when an unsinstalled program stays in RAM ---taking out a HDD and plugging it in another computer It's entertaining but not the obvious way.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Thanks for the comment Albertoefg, I believe that you are correct. I am new to all of this and its a bit like learning a new language. Every time I get a handle on one thing, three others will baffle me. I am determined to leave Windows and Mac behind and focus on GNU/Linux only. To quote Stallman, I want to align my computing and my ethics. Im really very sorry if I have expressed a poor attitude on my introductry thread. I am pleased to meet you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
You have to narrow down your issues so they can be answered. There's nobody here who can take responsibility for allegations that run rampant out there. There's no myth about rebooting. It's done when needed -- usually kernel updates. I'm quite happy to address any real issues you might have.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
From what I can tell, the OP could be Matthew Moore or a person of his ilk. https://youtu.be/y_lhqg_p21k
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I have listened several times to Richard Stallman calling for the use of "GNU with Linux" (GNU/Linux). Still, for some time I went into thinking this - We don't say Android/Linux, do we? So why should we say GNU/Linux instead of just GNU? And then, I had the occasion to execute GNU with the Hurd kernel. So it was clear that the GNU OS can run with either the Linux or Hurd kernel. GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd. And I have heard that ArchLinux can even run with a third one, the kernel from FreeBSD. So I think that GNU/Linux is fine. Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What's your favorite not-so-famous application on Trisquel?
There are gnus, vm, and mh-e for mail in emacs. Last time I tried using vm, I had trouble getting it to talk to my imap account, but gnus worked fine. Org mode is great for structured documents.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
There is also a few things, that I, respectfully want to explain: 1.- Lack of features doesn't mean lack of freedom, sometimes a progam can 'lack' certain features you excpet, like in the case of rythimbox, that doesn't mean the program isn't free, beacause you have the power to download the source code, change the things that you don't like and make it better. And even make copies of your modified version and share it with us all :) 2.- Linux doesn't need to reboot: well, yes and no, it means that you can rean a linux machine for days and days and it won't need to reboot, that is really unlikely on windows. But sometimes some changes or upgrades will ask you to reboot, that doesn't mean you "have" to reboot. Imagine that you install a new kernel, just becasue you installed it, it won't be running, you are already using the old one, and the kernel is loaded at the boot, so you have to restart in order for it to start, it can't be started when you are already on your Trisquel session. 3.- Not Trisquel, (and I am pretty sure not any other OS), is perfect. Yes, I know somethings seem "easier" on other OS's but thats beacuase those OS's want to control your computer, as I think you already know. After you learn a little bit more the things will be really easier, don't get frustraded yet. As I say I am here to help if there is any trouble you have you can ask me, but Trisquel is a really nice, friendly and helpful community and I know anyone else is here to help you :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Look Mr. or Miss "Loldier, I have no idea what exactly you believe my 'intentions' to be, but the nature this conversation simply does not suit my desired interaction on this forum. I have not come here to engage in accusation or petty bickering. If you cannot interact with me without making it a personal issue, simply do not interact with me. Thank you and good day.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Hi :) freedom.seeker Unfortanetly forums and written words are not heard, so sometimes conversations fail, even when people means the best. Let me tell you I know what it is like to have difficulties with gnu/linux, I am a lawyer and I have no friends on Computer Science, so it was really hard for me at the beggining. With that said, I see many people have helped you and I think most of your listed problems should be solved by now, is there anything else you need help with?
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
From the rhythmbox main window, 'ctrl+q' will quit the program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Bookmark Sync in Icecat or Abrowser
davidp...@unseen.is, Lun 02 Mai 2016 22:21:01 CEST: So, I guess this is intentional? Perhaps Firefox Sync saves yoru info on their servers so its against the free software philosophy? Firefox Sync against free software philosophy? Not as long as the program is licensed under a free software license. Abrowser is free software, so it's not against that philosophy in the client side. On the server side, we should check the server program that makes Sync work to know the answer to that. Firefox Sync against privacy? Yes. Firefox added Sync in version 4.0 offering encryption end-to-end, but since version 29.0 they don't offer it any more. You can't have it if you didn't sign up for it before Firefox 29.0 was released - and even if you did sign up and have Sync with end-to-end encryption, you won't know for how long because since 29.0 that service is considered to be obsolete or deprecated. For the rest of users, Mozilla can access all of the bookmarks, history and even passwords if they have chosen to sync them. I would like to find an alternative way to sync bookmarks. There's some data I care for even more than bookmarks: contact data. I "sync" my contact data every time I update it by exporting it in a file and sending it between my computer and my smartphone. After that, I import the file on the other side. Wish there was such an easy way with bookmarks, but unfortunately Firefox for Android seems just unable to import bookmarks. Which makes Sync the only way to get the bookmarks into Firefox for Android. Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>each and every time I have asked the "community" for assistance, I have be called a troll...< You said that and I did give you assistance until you showed your true intentions. Now, go wherever you wish, keep rebooting your Windows box or whatever it takes to make you feel good.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
I think you are taking this far too personally. If you have no desire to take part in this thread, do feel free to move on to another. I'm not certain what "FUD" is, though I can assure you that I joined this forum in order to express my difficulties with Trisquel, and hopefully to overcome them. To be completely honest, I find it to be a bit of joke that anyone can depend on the Linux community. I have been on Microsoft programing for more than fifteen years, throughout grade school, college, and work life. As an adult I have come to value my freedom and privacy, thus I am attempting to make the change, not only to Linux, but to completely free GNU/Linux systems. I have observes the teachings and lectures of Richard Stallman, and I agree with the elements that I fully understand. That being said, each and every time I have asked the "community" for assistance, I have be called a troll, accuse of trying to "do this", or expected to be a master programer or code writer on my first day... Well I'm not a seasoned Linux user, Im not able to read or write code, and Im sick to deat of this attitude everywhere I go on Linux forums. How is anyone with a Windows background supposed to ever learn Linux if you are told that you are not sincere simply because you didnt show up an expert?
[Trisquel-users] Re : An Introduction, and a few questions
When you execute a program, most (if not all) of it is copied to main memory (in RAM). When you remove a program, you erase it from disk. Not from RAM. If you cannot cleanly terminate a program, you can use the "GNOME System Monitor" (in the "System Settings") to terminate or even kill its process.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 dont boot Trisquel 7 Netinstall
m...@ruggedinbox.com, Dom 01 Mai 2016 15:31:50 CEST: I had that problem as well, and if I remember correctly, fchmmr (Libreboot's author) told me to simply use a full Trisquel USB stick, since I can choose to make a netinstall from it anyway. It's not fresh in my memory, but I think you can select manual install or something. Apart from the graphic installer there's a text mode installer that works online only - thus, a netinstaller. Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
[Trisquel-users] Re : An Introduction, and a few questions
Yes: next time you buy a computer. I use GNOME Shell and Rhythmbox actually has a menu (at the right of GNOME Shell's "Activities" button). With a "Quit" entry that really really quits Rhythmbox. I do not know how to access that menu from the default desktop environment.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>...why it is that Trisquel (an OS based upon freedom) denies the user the ability to control basic media programs?< Dont' equate your freedoms with the freedoms of the developers. You're free to uninstall the 'offending' program, write a patch >...a death blow to the myth that Linux systems never have to be restarted or rebooted...< I see, this is why you bothered registering here to make a big fuss of FUD. Please don't do this. There's no myth that needs debunking. You're not sincere and I doubt we can help you here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Thank you very much for the information, however, I have uninstalled Rythmbox and installed another player as you suggested. To beat everything, I seem to also have the troube of lingering programs that remain in my systems tray even if the program has been uninstalled. I just cant seem to get my head around this issue of GNU/Linux systems trying to "hold on" to everything even if you close or uninstall it. Either way, this deals a death blow to the myth that Linux systems never have to be restarted or rebooted, because you have to at least log off, if not restart, before deactivated or uninstalled programs actually go away. Is this normal, or have I fouled something up?
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Here's a method to disable the sound applet media player controls integration. I hope it helps. http://www.howtogeek.com/113897/how-to-remove-media-players-from-ubuntus-sound-menu-add-your-own/
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
Yes, I have that enabled! I actually maintain a repository of politics-related quotes for fortune, so I specifically show those.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
I saw that but unfortunately it does not let you add custom fortunes.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
I think it's right click on the icon in the notification area. You'll see an option 'quit'. If this is confusing, stop music and then close the window. If music is being played and you minimize the player window, it will hide its GUI but still keeps playing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>Next time, choose an Intel processor with an integrated graphical chipset. Can I assume that you mean the "next time" I buy a computer? >"Quit" Rhythmbox from the menu. Could you explain which menu you imply? I don't have a "Quit" option whatsoever. I only have "Close" and that does nothing but minimize to the system tray. It does not terminate the program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
>Can anyone suggest a music player that has the ability to be deactivated when no longer in use...< Rhythmbox hides its GUI in the notification area when minimized to get out of the way. To exit, you should press quit or stop music and then close the window. If you don't like this behaviour, you can install Audacious, a Winamp clone for GNU/LInux. It will just exit if you click on the x button of the window title bar. sudo apt-get audacious
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
To expand on the heating thing: I would tend to assume that this is caused by your CPU getting additional stress due to lack of hardware acceleration, and producing more heat as a result. So while your computer's diminished cooling function (could be caused by accumulation of dust over the years, for example, or could just be caused by a design flaw) did not cause problems on systems shipping the blobs needed for hardware acceleration, it is causing problems on Trisquel. Properly, the solution is to fix your cooling system so the computer does not overheat. If it's a laptop, the easiest fix is to just supplement the cooling system with a laptop cooler (you can get them from an electronics store for around $30 easily). If it's a desktop computer, you may have to actually fix the cooling system. > can someone please explain to me why it is that Trisquel (an OS based upon freedom) denies the user the ability to control basic media programs? Magic Banana already pointed out that you can close Rhythmbox, but even if you couldn't, this would not be an infringement of your liberty. You can change the source code in any way you want and compile your modified version. Also, it sometimes can be reasonable to have such a design (although Rhythmbox isn't an example of a program designed in this way, as has been mentioned). Consider, for example, the case of desktop environments. GNOME at least does not provide an obvious way to completely stop using GNOME Shell (while running in the normal mode) or GNOME Panel (while running in the Flashback mode, Trisquel's default). The reason it doesn't offer such an obvious option is because the whole design of GNOME depends on one of these programs running. Adding an option to close GNOME Shell or GNOME Panel would only be asking for trouble.
Re: [Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
I have to do those commands every time I update my kernel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
This post may help: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/virtualbox-kernel-issues
[Trisquel-users] Re : An Introduction, and a few questions
AMD video cards have free drivers that are, technically, terrible. You can try to update the kernel ( https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/update-linux-libre-kernel ) but do not hold your breath. Next time, choose an Intel processor with an integrated graphical chipset. "Quit" Rhythmbox from the menu. Trisquel comes by default with free software codecs for all those formats. FUSE is free software too. Patents and copyrights are two different problems. On the copyright side, Trisquel only ships and proposes free software. When it comes to software patents, they are illegal in most of the world (in the European Union, in China, India, Russia, Brazil, South Africa, New Zealand, etc.). In countries where they are legal, they can create problems to any piece of software: almost any "ideas", even trivial, can be (and is) patented! There are however patents that are more actively enforced. Such as those on sound and video codecs. That is why it is risky to use those formats: the free software to read/write them may become illegal and, then, the user who refuses proprietary software would be stuck. As long as she can use free software to read/write those formats, she is free. Patents only are a risk. Small for an individual. Much larger for anybody with a business that uses the patent-encumbered formats.
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
Hey! It would be cool if you posted your stats on https://h-node.org/ :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
smplayer is what you need for running some of those files, or gnome mplayer for running, avi, mp3, mp4... oggconvert will change some of that stuff also to flac or ogg. and I use a vlc plugin for my abrowser/icecat web browsers. Look in your synaptic package manager for that. ;) oh and by the way, it was a crash course for me too at first, i started with fedora, then debian then trisquel. as for why your computer turns off, I will let superior advice help you... ie not me... don't want to cause your computer to crash. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
yes and it lacks support for vdi files. Which is why I need virtualbox... That and, I tend to use a type of virtualbox operating system. Which I know won't run on any other alternative... due to its nature, and also, I keep it offline due to its lack of security. I am into some old school games meh its a weakness... one I may get control of someday. For the time being I would though like some advice on how to get virtualbox to work with my kernel, by using any one of the 4.0-4.2 versions of virtualbox. (I don't like how much the virtualbox 5.0 made my system overheat on my computer.
Re: [Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
Related virt-manager article here... https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/virtualization-using-kvm
Re: [Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
Have you tried 'virt-manager' instead of VBox? $ sudo apt install virt-manager
[Trisquel-users] An Introduction, and a few questions
I am pleased to be here, and happy to meet you all. Please understand that I am somewhat new to GNU/Linux, and having tried several distros, few working for me, and many failing, I have landed on Trisquel, and with a few questions. If these questions have been addressed elsewhere, please forgive me and point me in the right direction. First of all: My stats, -Computer: HP Pavilion dv6- Processor: 4x AMD A8-4500M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics Memory : 15822MB (1203MB used) Operating System : Trisquel GNU/Linux 7.0, Belenos -Display- OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits) X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation -Multimedia- Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic Second: a few questions, 1. When I play video my laptop runs very hot and turns itself off, this hasen't happened with any other OS whatsoever. 2. Can anyone suggest a music player that has the ability to be deactivated when no longer in use, and can someone please explain to me why it is that Trisquel (an OS based upon freedom) denies the user the ability to control basic media programs? Why on Earth would I be denied the ability to turn this "Rythembox" off? It just stays in the system tray forever? 3. Freedom... Codecs... I understand that Trisquel, and the overal GNU/Linux community wants everything to be in OGG format, and I have a basic understanding as to why that is, though I welcome more information. My question is this; What is one to do when they have several hdd's worth of music and film, most of which is in either mp4, mp3, or avi, from years of Window$ background. Honestly it would take months of time to covert all of my media to free formats, and cost quite a bit to purchase new drives for Linux formatting and OGG files. At the very least I would need a couple of TB in order to how the converted files until I had emptied one drive for reformatting. 4. Im a bit confused about exFUSE, rather, I understand how it works and what it does, however, I am not sure if using FUSE so that Windows formatted flashdrives and harddrives work (fat32 or ntfs I think?) but is that not the same as using VLC and non-free codecs to play mp3 and mp4 on linux? Please forgive my ignorance, but this had been quite the crash course for me over the past several weeks. Thanks in advance for any information and guidance.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
Ici, https://trisquel.info/en/forum/political-freedom-software-freedom-and-compromise-general-relation-personal-independence New thread
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I tend to talk about the distribution name e.g. "I use Trisquel" "What is it?" "It's a distribution of the GNU Operating System, made up of just free software. It uses Linux as it's kernel" "Oh, I have heard of Linux, my friend is obsessed with it!" "It's not what your friend thinks. Linux isn't really an operating system, it is a program called a kernel that lets programs control hardware. We say GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux to describe the GNU OS running on top of the Linux kernel." "That's fair enough, can you tell me more about GNU?" Etc. Many people I have spoken to are curious. They then make some decision. It is a brief conversation. Trisqyel is a reasonable name and is not a mouthful to say, but it is important for people to know about the contributions of GNU Project and Linux.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
Most of GNU+Linux users, think that they using Linux operating system. I agree with you, and I love call Richard's OS as is: "GNU". But GNU+Linux users don't know what is GNU.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I don't really understand your point here. You say governments are the problem, but surely private power is worse, in that it has even less accountability to the population? It is contradictory to talk about liberty yet make these points. I'm not really sure how people's physical appearance in relation to their political ideology is relevant either to political movements and discussion, or even accurate at all. If they are scared then in all honesty, I don't particularly blame them. Left-wing political movements have had a long history of political suppression and censorship, especially in totalitarian states such as the Soviet Union. The fact that the environment is just being destroyed is utterly scary too. Regarding limiting your life to be free, certainly many people have to make compromise. You can make personal choices about this. Many people here reject things like Facebook because they feel it limits freedoms, albeit not being able to use it with other people who are on it. But some people would argue real human contact is infinitely better than a spyware messaging service. Seriously, what are you running from? In free society, political persecution is rare; freedom of speech is a tangible thing. Free software is for everyone, is accessible, reliable, and easy to use. You should not need to be a dissident, or political reporter to run it. If you are, then of course you benefit from things like Tor, as do we all. Regarding proprietary applications, we are not saying you should ever be prevented from running some proprietary program. It is your computer, and as long as you do not make other people use it, it is your problem. You are only hurting yourself. Rather, we believe that nobody should be forced to run proprietary software. That is just morally wrong; you are exerting unjust authority over another human being. > But what is coming with Social Security going bust 2017 in US, EU and Euro is going to collapse No. This is an unsubstantiated claim. There is no evidence supporting this statement. It could happen, but war and climate disaster would have reached us already if this were to happen suddenly. There are other issues regarding global economy, but you are missing the fact that the governments have deep pockets. There would be too much of an outcry to make it collapse suddenly as you suggest. Really, I think we are going off on a tangent here. I will make a new thread in the "Troll Hole".
[Trisquel-users] is it even possible to make virtualbox 4.1 work on my new kernel?
my new linux libre kernel is 4.2, I know it might not be appreciated to ask this here, even considering that version of virtualbox is free software, but I wondered if it is possible to configure it to work in that situation. VirtualBox 4.1.40 is the version i wanted to use for it. yes I know its outdated, but this is why I wanted a fork of virtualbox to be created. What modifications would i need to make for it to work?
[Trisquel-users] Antwort: What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I agree that it's not good to call the whole operating system "linux", but I'm not content at all with "gnu/linux". "Gnu/linux" is a horrible name for an operating system, and i think something should be done about it. Obviously a perfect solution does not exist. Either Linux does not get credit, or Gnu does not get credit, or we have to stick with a shitty name. I think just sticking with "Gnu" would be ok...
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
Corporations have the power because of governments. Governments accept software patents, governments with their "obama care" gives medical corporations power to *bleep* the peoples health, including "food" corporations with their GMO. Governments is the problems, greedy corporations use corrupt governments to act parasites. Miss Clinton is in bed with the worlds most evil bank Goldman Sachs, as Cruz. Microsoft and Apple love software patents that governments have accepted. If governments were smaller they would not as much corrupt and a more free market would emerge. A market without globalist tools like TTIP, TPP, CISPA and other stuff. People who work with deception and lies tries to hook their victims by walking their path and look and talk like them and then manipulate them. What these people do can also be done for the good of humanity, but evil is when you dont respect others peoples and force your view on them against their will. Free software that is for good is just standing in its corner or the world and say their are free. Free software is just standing isolated in their corner and refuse to move because they believe they are free. You are free to live out in the woods all alone. But that is maybe a good thing of what is coming the coming years. Their is more freedom in life then just computers. Freedom in your own body. As a "former computer geek" I wasnt free in my own body. I thought I was my personality butt hell no I'm not. Personality is like software on a computer but we unconsciously have programed our-self to survive maybe our childhood or be part of society. As a "former" Asbergers syndrome guy I know the limits and how we limit our-self with the beliefs of what we think who we are. Mind and body are two different things. Most people are stuck in their head and almost see their body as a problem they must have to carry their head around. How often do you see a computer geek that is a free in the body and is a good dancer? This is what I feel "free software" is stuck. I have learned a lot last couple of months regarding free software. I wasnt running FOR freedom but FROM something. Big difference. We all do it but aren't aware of it. I was yesterday at a 1 may socialist celebration day and took a look. Most of them looked like they were scared people (accept the young that is often filled with hate) and wanted someone ells to carry their problem, aka government. Ideologies have people that look in general the same. Young leftist often are skinny, right wing are often bigger in their body and their face expression is often the same. You are not free if you limit your life to live on a tiny island all alone. You are living in a self created prison were you say over and over again "I AM FREE". But be in a prison and feel free is another thing. I want to give my self first freedom to understand what freedom is. To understand what freedom is, is to consciously go and be a slave. If I dont have the experience of being a "slave" I dont know what freedom is. A system based 100% on free software at its core can run some proprietary software isolated from the rest of the system and then dont compromise the computer users basic freedoms. In this way Im "ok" with running some proprietary software on a free software system. As running proprietary games for run. Fun and productivity are two different things. I have popped many bubble and more is on their way. But what is coming with Social Security going bust 2017 in US, EU and Euro is going to collapse and a lot more free software isnt highest on my priority list. Not surprised my last comment is disliked. sorry for highjacking the thread.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Bookmark Sync in Icecat or Abrowser
So, I guess this is intentional? Perhaps Firefox Sync saves yoru info on their servers so its against the free software philosophy? I have been thinking of this and I have worked out an alternative to bookmark syncing. I started using Zim - a local wiki software like Evernote, but Libre. Not the same as syncing but at least it seems to help me organize the huge amount of web links I have gathered that I frequently reference.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200 dont boot Trisquel 7 Netinstall
Thanks for the answers.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
Here's what FSF things about this proposition https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#justgnu
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
> Marketing What's the point of getting something widely used if people do not know why GNU/Linux exists, the raison d'être, so to speak. Otherwise, the existence of Chrome OS would be proof we have won. I want free software to be widely used. But I don't want it just to get some arbitrary market share because it satisfies the capricious whims of the consumers! The point is to give people freedom. My desire is for it to become accessible to disadvantaged people, and to be part of free, federated, autonomous associations, giving people back control of their communications. Why think of it like 'capital'? What about human beings? > in a bubble Pop the bubble then! Do your bit. Don't give up just because it is difficult. The issue is not some 'difficult' cellar-dwelling people stalling progress because they want control over their communications and work. The issue is society valuing consumerist qualities over stuff that actually matters. The issue is corporations wanting to opress people and succumb to the will of the government. Look, we need to be part of the change if it has any chance of happening whatsoever. Spread the word, but compromise fatally undermines how successful any action will be.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I believe the stubbornness from GNU and free software community is doing more harm then good. I am more leaning for calling it just Linux because it is a lot better for marketing the operating system. Were the fight should be is difference between the mind send of free software and open source. That is my part. I have soon been running Trisquel for two years and Im getting tiered of the fight against software that dont respect my freedom because their is no life there. I see my self as a former computer geet that just lived computers. Its a comfortable bubble to live in because I didnt live life. GNU/FSF/free software movement lives in the same bubble. Many free software sites is nerdy simple, stuck in the 90s. They work great for a computer geek mind but not for the rest of humanities thinking. This is also the difference between open source and free software. Their is A LOT MORE life in open source communities and distros but in free software its a computer geek world that limits its own potential. I think this is why free software is so small. It's like FSF is standing on a tiny island out alone in the ocean and say "WE ARE FREE" but their is nothing to do. Just eat, shit and sleep. Free software is taking stands against open source, it's a fight. Why not try to compromise and cooporate? I have ideas but RMS and the free software wouldnt like it but it is at least based on a 100% libre base of GNU/Linux and then informs the user that maybe some hardware needs proprietary software to work and then the user choose to. User dont use wifi=wifi drivers dont needs to be installed. Same with software. If user search for Skype alternatives comes up first. This was a very simple explanation from me. I have it more thought out. This was just a rant from me that I have been thinking of for some time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I ask this, but how do you downgrade the linux libre 4.5 to 4.2 in libreboot?
sounds simple, thank you. If it doesn't work, I will repost.
[Trisquel-users] Re : What are your favorite command-line programs?
Maybe because it is in the "Single UNIX Specification": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
I agree with everything you said. Still, it does not explain why vi is installed by default and Emacs is not?
[Trisquel-users] Re : I ask this, but how do you downgrade the linux libre 4.5 to 4.2 in libreboot?
Install a "linux-image-*-lts-wily" package (in Trisquel's repository) and remove the 4.5 kernel (from the package manager too). GRUB's configuration will be automatically updated to default to the latest kernel, which becomes version 4.2 (assuming you have not installed another more recent kernel).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
I believe that we shouldn't do the same thing that was done to us. And by we, I meant the GNU and the FSF xD What I mean is that Linux as a kernel and the open software community should be recognize for their contribution to the system as well. At least that was my first reaction. But then I thought that, GNU represents better our ideals and principles, and there has passed so many years where the GNU protect hasn't been properly credited, that nobody should complain about us starting to call free software distros just GNU, and as you said, as a way to diffident them from other GNU/Linux distros. But now that I think about it. The FSF has been working on a campain to educate people and distros, so that they do use GNU/Linux instead. If the back up from that now, they wouldn't be able to keep asking people to educatedly refer distros for what they really are, GNU/Linux. So what I would say is that I like what the FSF has been doing, and keep asking people to use the rightful and correct term GNU/Linux.
[Trisquel-users] Re : open GUI from command line
Oh! I see. The "xinit" package (in dependence of "xorg") provides the 'startx' command. The display manager must start X without a call to 'startx'.
[Trisquel-users] Re : What are your favorite command-line programs?
If Emacs were installed by default, you wouldn't need to know how to use any other editor. You do not. You only need to know 'sudo apt-get install emacs'. ;-) Even if I never use it, I think GEdit is a better choice for Trisquel, which targets the mainstream public. More advanced users know how to install Emacs from the package manager anyway.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I ask this, but how do you downgrade the linux libre 4.5 to 4.2 in libreboot?
also I meant in trisquel 7 how do you downgrade to 4.2 linux libre (got myself confused..) facepalm...
[Trisquel-users] I ask this, but how do you downgrade the linux libre 4.5 to 4.2 in libreboot?
I am using trisquel 7 and I think the linux libre 4.2 might be a better workaround then to have to, reinstall or change the libreboot version.
[Trisquel-users] What do you think about calling free systems as "GNU" systems (even if there is no GNU or Linux-libre)?
Remember: This topic is about free system distributions (those which are fully compliant with the GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines). Some free software activists from Brazil have been doing a counter-campaign against society's tendency to call GNU+Linux just as "Linux". Instead of calling the free distributions as "GNU+Linux", they're calling them as "GNU [distribution/system]" only. Not everyone has accepted this technique. I'm between the fences, as usual. But I fear that the GNU-only proponentes do have a point when they say that "the only way to approach society with more interest is to name the free distributions only as GNU, because society seems to ignore everything with the Linux name at a first sight". The only exception for this name change is the non-GNU free system distributions like Replicant, which continues to be named just as "Replicant". However, this also opens doors for backfiring from open source proponents (or even from our own mates, if we replace "operating system" with "free system distribution" in the following two phrases), such as: "Not every operating system has GNU packages available". However, we could also reply with phrases like: "It must be noted that not every operating system uses the Linux kernel". -- Assinatura automática Não sabe qual programa de computador usar? Precisa de treinamento para usar tal programa? Precisa de uma função extra no programa que você usa? O fornecedor do programa de computador que você usa está lhe ignorando ou demorando muito para colocar as funções que você pediu? Não consegue encontrar aquele manual importante? Entre em contato comigo! Os programas de computador e os manuais que recomendo garantem a toda a sociedade as seguintes liberdades: 1. A liberdade de uso, para qualquer fim. 2. A liberdade de estudo e adaptação, sem a obrigação de ter que enviar as adaptações ao criador original. 3. A liberdade de redistribuição (compartilhamento e venda) das cópias originais. 4. A liberdade de redistribuição das cópias das adaptações feitas. Eu não me responsabiliso caso eu não consiga abrir o arquivo que você me enviar. O principal responsável é quase sempre o criador do programa que você usa. Portfólio: https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/amGwGbmpSX6cSth?path=%2FPortf% C3%B3lio Contato * Celular: +55 (47) 9914-0530 * Facebook: Não possuo. Pois obriga a sociedade a usar programas de computador não livres. * Ao invés disso, escolha um dos vários servidores para usar a Diaspora: https://podupti.me/ * Não se esqueça de me adicionar aos seus contatos: https://diasporabr.com.br/u/adfeno * WhatsApp: Não possuo. Pois obriga a sociedade a usar programas de computador não livres. * Caso você tenha uma conta XMPP (exemplos: a maioria dos servidores da Diaspora, Google Talk, League of Legends), eis meu endereço, por ordem de prioridade: 1. adf...@openmailbox.org (usuário: adfeno; domínio: openmailbox.org) 2. adf...@diasporabr.com.br (usuário: adfeno; domínio: diasporabr.com.br) * Outras formas de entrar em contato comigo: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Explore e compartilhe tudo o que estou compartilhando: https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/amGwGbmpSX6cSth?path=% 2F
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
Thanks bunches! I miss that from when I was running Slackware 11. I had no idea how easy it was to do that. :) Bumbling idiots love the command line too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Well, Trisqiel by default includes xorg-xserver, but not xorg. So you get X window system but not startx command
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
editor: emacs terminal: gnome-terminal text-browser: EmacsWebWowser File Management: Dired email: gnus package management: apt
[Trisquel-users] Re : open GUI from command line
The display manager will obviously not be able to start a X session if X is not installed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
Yeah, that's the type of thing I'm tending to suspect. Another culprit is Alex Jones, who has interviewed RMS in the past. But I can't recall any particular story around the middle of last year that could correspond to this. Oh well, it's not really important anyway. Just something I'm a bit curious about. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
If you are going to have only one console-based editor it should be Emacs. The first thing I do after installing Trisquel is download and install Emacs. Why is it not installed by default on Trisquel? As long as Emacs is not installed by default, you need to also know nano (although you don't need to know much since the commands are labelled right in front of you.). If Emacs were installed by default, you wouldn't need to know how to use any other editor. Sometimes you will find yourself in vi by accident. So at the very least everybody should know how to exit it! :q! (type first a ':' then 'q' and then '!' and hit 'Enter') That is like preferring Spanish to English, but at least knowing a view key words of English anyway, like "help" or "don't shoot" :p
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
So, let's consider the following scenario: Conspiracy Theorist/New-age nut listens to some propagandist on RT going on about "Evil NSA". They research comsec and their ideas of 'liberty', and come across free software. Then they invite their devoted followers to join them. Similarly, the followers encourage like-minded devotees to join them too. This is a sort of "domino effect", rather like how the list of "most read" stories results in those stories attracting more traffic.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
Yeah. I wonder, has a recent influx of people come from a conspiracy theorist background of some sort? Then again, it could just be a coincidence.
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2013/10/03/gnome-wayland-in-fedora/ gnome-session --session gnome-wayland
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
You can also install emacs-nox which gets rid of the GUI Emacs. Then the command emacs just starts in the terminal (or actual CLI).
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Here's how to boot into the command line (disable graphic GUI auto start). http://ask.xmodulo.com/boot-into-command-line-ubuntu-debian.html One last step after editing /etc/default/grub (for systemd, if enabled): sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
So how does one initialise a Wayland session from the command line? How does lightdm start X sessions without the xorg package which provides startx?
[Trisquel-users] Re : open GUI from command line
'sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm' (gdm)? Well, that would be LightDM (by default in Trisquel), not GDM. To start init scripts, 'start' can be used (and there is 'stop' and 'restart' too): $ sudo start lightdm $ sudo start gdm
[Trisquel-users] Re : What are your favorite command-line programs?
I mainly like the keybindings that are the same for several programs. Terminals usually use Emacs' keybindings by default: C-b (one character backward), C-f (one character forward), C-t (to transpose, i.e., swap two characters), C-d (to delete one character), M-b (one word backward), M-f (one word forward), M-t (transpose two words), M-d (delete the end of the word; M-backspace to delete the beginning), C-r (reverse search, i.e., search the history in the terminal), C-p (to go to the previous line, i.e., the previous command in the history in the terminal), C-k (to kill, i.e., cut from the cursor to the end of the line), C-y (to yank, i.e., copy what was cut), C-a and C-e (to go to the beginning/end of the line), etc. Notice that, contrary to vim, Emacs' keybindings "make sense": the letters usually mean something and Meta (Alt on most keyboards) usually allows to apply an action at the level of words when Ctrl was used to apply it at the level of characters. I think the only real downsides are a slower startup (we're probably talking about a couple of seconds, which is meaningless) What takes that time is to start a graphical window. 'emacs -nw' executes Emacs in the terminal (of course, -nw is not needed if 'emacs' is executed in a "real" terminal). And then there is 'emacsclient' to tell a running Emacs to open a file (rather than running Emacs several times). the keybindings that are supposedly hard on the pinky finger (maybe the only real reason not to favor Emacs). That is true if you know how to type on a keyboard, which I do not (I mainly used my index and middle fingers and thumbs for Space, Ctrl, Alt and Shift). A colleague who knows how to type remapped Caps Lock to Ctrl (if I remember well). It's supposedly less intuitive I disagree. Modes are not intuitive in my opinion.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
This is a misleading comparison. Political parties are not supposed to be neutral. They unequivocally represent the interests of their donors and membership. For instance, the Labour party in the UK is meant to give the trades unions a political voice. If they were "neutral" they would represent very few people. Even so-called 'centrist' groups are usually right-wing authoritarian in policy, claiming to support "liberalism", itself a relic of 19th-century laissez-faire ideologies. A nonprofit charity or organisation is meant to represent the stated aims, rather than the beliefs and ideas of the groups bankrolling it. In practice, it is important to acknowledge that some charitable organisations are corrupt, but reputable charitable organisations shouldn't do this. If they did, then people should not support them. The FSF represents free software, and that is it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
I bought a pack of 7(!) Tin Foil hats yesterday, just to prepare myself.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
FSF doesn't endorse Google's actions (and continues to criticise them), so I don't see an issue. Anyone notice a lot of conspiracy-like non-issues springing up lately?
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Haha. Oh you meant literally "startx". I was typing starttrisquel, startgnome... I thought x was a variable. Yes, startx got it done. Thank you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Startx should do it. Do you mean something like 'sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm'? Or 'gnome-session'?
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
To clarify, I'm running Trisquel GNU/Linux 7.0. I can log in on the command line, then I am given scott@servername:~$. I just need to know how to enter the desktop environment.
Re: [Trisquel-users] fsf gets money from google?
> I think they pay, because they can profit from free software. Of course they profit from free software. They are using their own gnu+linux distro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu android and Chrome OS contains free software; and also their servers runs on gnu+linux and that's fine. Remember the freedom 0 the freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose. >Payments can corrupt. yes they can but the solution is not prohibiting FSF from accepting Google's donations. the problem is FSF and any other nonprofits operates by humans and humans make mistakes and may corrupt. If you prohibit FSF from receiving Googles money and they want to be naughty! I'm sure they would find a money laundering solution. well, actually I guess nonprofits have no obligation to disclose donors identities. but as Ignacio.Agullo said >So far I trust FSF enough to continue doing the right thing...Only if FSF would start acting strangely...I consider changing my mind.
Re: [Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Command to start X Server is 'startx'.
[Trisquel-users] open GUI from command line
Okay, stupid question. It's been a few months since I messed around with Trisquel, and I've forgotten the command to open the GUI from the command line. I boot to the command line first before entering the desktop environment. Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What are your favorite command-line programs?
I'm willing to try Emacs for some time now. I totally like the idea of "one way to do everything". There's even the evil mode to get vim keybindings, provided it's used along Ranger (if preferred to the internal way to manage files). After all, what are the advantages of Vim for me (compared to a normal text editor, not to Emacs)? I mainly like the keybindings that are the same for several programs. And the modal aspect to move around is fun. I think the only real downsides are a slower startup (we're probably talking about a couple of seconds, which is meaningless), and the keybindings that are supposedly hard on the pinky finger (maybe the only real reason not to favor Emacs). And the "need" to get acquainted with vi basics, just in case. But since I roughly have those basics already, it's also a moot point. Speaking of which, yeah, Vi(m) is horrible when using it the first few times. I merely can move around now, write, save and quit, but I had to learn those the hard way, and many other basic actions I can't perform yet. So for my use, it really could be any of those two editors. Emacs is without a doubt more powerful. It's supposedly less intuitive, I'll have to find out for myself (specially since Vim doesn't feel intuitive at my level). Thanks for the suggestion!
