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Ah okay. Point taken by both messages.
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> Ah, Okay then.. welp I am confused... you said it had proprietary binaries in it I thought. No, it doesn't. I'm not sure what part of my posts you got that impression from, but PlayOnLinux is libre. What it has is installation recipes for proprietary software, since that's the job it's designed to do. > Well either way, I still find it good to use playonlinux or winetricks rather then use straight forward windows or other proprietary oses. I agree. :)
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> Since PlayOnLinux itself is already libre, the only way to make it "more" libre would be to remove support for proprietary games. onpon4's point is that since the only use for PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games, removing support for proprietary games would make it useless. Exactly.
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> What if I feel that your comments are spam? onpon4 makes many posts here that have helped people, including you, so if her comments seem unreasonable to you I'd ask her to clarify what she means instead of dismissing them. I think this is just a miscommunication resulting from the nuance that PlayOnLinux supports proprietary games while being libre itself. Calmstorm suggested a libre version of PlayOnLinux. Since PlayOnLinux itself is already libre, the only way to make it "more" libre would be to remove support for proprietary games. onpon4's point is that since the only use for PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games, removing support for proprietary games would make it useless. She wasn't saying that it is useless in its current form. Using free software like Wine or PlayOnLinux to play a proprietary game is certainly better than using Windows, which is why we helped you install it. Gradual migration from proprietary software to free software can be the right strategy for many people. Gradual change is most effective when you take every opportunity to take the next steo. Without abandoning the games you are used to, I encourage you to also look at onpon4's list of libre games, as well the games she has made, if you haven't already. She and others work very hard to enrich the world of libre gaming, and I hope that their efforts will reduce gamers' dependence on proprietary games. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Ah, Okay then.. welp I am confused... you said it had proprietary binaries in it I thought. Well either way, I still find it good to use playonlinux or winetricks rather then use straight forward windows or other proprietary oses. Take it for what it is worth. :/
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> Don't you see the contradiction in this? You want to make it possible to play proprietary games "without... anything proprietary". That is literally speaking impossible. If X is a subset of Y, you can't have X with no Y. Apple is a fruit. Steve Job long time ago probably: I will make Apple a brand. Apple is a brand and a fruit.
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Person A: I want this. Person B: Try this. Person C: Why do want this? This is not point. Person A/B: Person A (and perhaps) others want this because of X. Person C: But just use Z. Person A/B: But X seems a little bit cooler, let's talk about that. Person C: No, there is no point. etc etc etc A = me B = people suggesting solutions C = you
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and perhaps others* (typo)
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I understand your confusion. Let me explain in another way: I love FLOSS culture. I love DotA 1. Being able to play DotA 1 entirely through free software would make me very happy. Before Wine, the only method of playing DotA 1 was to have Windows. Wine is a step towards the desire of mine to be able to play DotA 1 through free software. But when you are using Wine to execute proprietary programs, it is still far from free/open source. When I see suggestions that may help getting DotA 1 more free, I celebrate.
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Spam definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming
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> You see. My favorite game, the game I grew up with and I love is DotA 1. This game is a game inside the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne. This game is proprietary and it is made for a proprietary OS. And what's going to help you install that is PlayOnLinux. Not a "libre" version that strips out the information about it; the normal PlayOnLinux. See my reply to CalmStorm.
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> What I mean by a libre playonlinux or winetricks-libre, is an effort to make it possible to play windows games without any blobs or anything proprietary at all. Don't you see the contradiction in this? You want to make it possible to play proprietary games "without... anything proprietary". That is literally speaking impossible. If X is a subset of Y, you can't have X with no Y. Note: I'm not aware of any libre games that use DirectX or the Windows API, but if such games exist, they can be recompiled using Winelib and packaged with the standard package manager, like the XM Solitaire example I mentioned above. There is no need for anything like PlayOnLinux for any libre game. What exactly do you think it means for there to be a libre version of PlayOnLinux? Are you under the impression that PlayOnLinux itself is proprietary? If so, you're wrong; PlayOnLinux is licensed under the GNU GPL. You can check here for yourself: https://github.com/PlayOnLinux/POL-POM-4 The only thing non-libre is its listing of proprietary software (along with parameters to run those programs correctly), but that information is the entire point of PlayOnLinux's existence. Why would you want PlayOnLinux without its most important feature?
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I disagree strongly with this, our first goal as a libre community is to get people off of... PROPRIETARY OPERATING SYSTEMS! Such as crapple, winblows and google crapbooks... Your context is meaningless for this reason. Such purity is admirable for libre culture, but it is harmful to expect people to jump from point A, to point K OR Z... That almost never works in changing anyones mind. What I mean by a libre playonlinux or winetricks-libre, is an effort to make it possible to play windows games without any blobs or anything proprietary at all. This may in practice be extremely hard, but I say, it cannot possibly be impossible. And to be honest, even if it is impossible now, it might not be in the future. And lastly, I guess, would you rather them stick with an operating system like the three I mentioned above... (crapple winblows google crapbooks...) I know some people think compromise is bad for free software, but for some people it is needed to get that first taste into free software. Mhm... Keep this all in mind.
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You are both saying things like "things is great", "this is bad" like you are some sort of authority. Please be more specific and explaining.
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> but it ain't so. Why? Why not?
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What if I feel that your comments are spam? Feel free to feel but it ain't so. Onpon4, in my books, is one of the most proficient contributors to this forum. You should pay attention to ewhat she has to say.
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The way I see your behaviour is that you are comming into posts and comments and just comments negative things. I have a suggestion for you : Look at the titles in the forum, do you see a title where you can contribute to thread topic or help the OP, please contribute. If you see nothing you can contribute with, or if you think all the posts are meaningless. Ask OP: "why do you want this, OP?" That way you may learn something and you are spreading good vibe.
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What if I feel that your comments are spam?
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Your language is very ultimatistic. You are using words like "there is", "it is", and forgetting that not everybody shares your opinion. For you, there is no point in having a libre playonlinux. For me that would be totally awesome and definitely something to strive against. You see. My favorite game, the game I grew up with and I love is DotA 1. This game is a game inside the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne. This game is proprietary and it is made for a proprietary OS. Every small little step towards making this game more accessible with free software is a huge positive thing for me and that makes me enormously happy. That is how I feel. So please, when you are talking about what you think, and your opinions, would you please emphasize more that this is indeed your opinion. Your language offends me.
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On a side note, I know this has been said a hundred times, but whoever used the downvote button on my posts, stop doing that. That button was added to mark spam and rule-breaking posts, not disagreement. I disagree with its existence, but as long as it's there, please do not abuse it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Please do not ignore context. I said there's no use for a *libre version* of PlayOnLinux, because the whole point of it is to play proprietary games. If PlayOnLinux doesn't have its installation recipes and configuration values for proprietary Windows-only games, it does nothing for you, because that's the whole point of using it. If you're only playing libre games, PlayOnLinux does nothing for you, because you can just use a repository.
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> I know very few people who have gone from Windows to a FSF endorsed distro in one step. I did:) PS. Agree with all you said.
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Probably because the software that removes HTML tags interprets it as one (since an HTML tag begins with a less-than sign).
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When you quote text this way, the two left angle brackets you use to end the quote and all text following get left out of the message sent to the mailing list. I don't know why this is, but if you stick with only the two right angle brackets at the beginning of each quoted paragraph this won't happen, and it will still be clear which text is part of a quote.
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onpon wrote: >> There's no use for it. The whole point of PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games that are only available for Windows.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
>> Wine is just a Windows API compatibility layer; it's useful for running proprietary programs that aren't available for GNU/Linux
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No, PlayOnLinux uses Wine. PlayOnLinux is literally just designed to give proper configuration values for particular proprietary programs people want to install. Wine is just a Windows API compatibility layer; it's useful for running proprietary programs that aren't available for GNU/Linux, but it could also be used to run a libre program that uses the Windows API or DirectX, for example. Such libre programs do exist, although they are uncommon. One example is a program called "XM Solitaire", which has actually been ported to the OpenPandora using Wine: http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail=xmsol-ptitseb
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Then why bother with making wine... Isn't that the same concept...?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
There's no use for it. The whole point of PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games that are only available for Windows.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Why does no one, make a winetricks-libre/playonlinux-libre for trisquel/parabola?
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> One question though: what about files/directories that is part of the > playonlinux program but does not contain "playonlinux" in its name? If there were any then this would be a more complicated task, but looking at the makefile I don't think there are. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I think this is a great idea. > Finally, when using a 100% free code distro like Trisquel (or > Parabola or any of the others endorsed by the FSF), installing > software from PPAs, or from the web, or compiling from source, can > result in proprietary software being introduced into your system." This part is especially important. I try to remember to mention it whenever I help someone add a PPA, but it would be great to have something to link to along with the other points you raise. > Is there a page on the wiki communicating something along these > lines? If not, I will create one, and anyone is welcome to improve > the text. That would be awesome, thank you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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This is incredibly cool! :D thank you so much for this! One question though: what about files/directories that is part of the playonlinux program but does not contain "playonlinux" in its name?
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While I definitely see the value in sharing CLI knowledge and skills, I think it's important to start with a link to a disclaimer along the lines of: "On a desktop GNU-Linux system like Trisquel, installing software using anything other than the package manager (via apt-get or a GUI like Synaptic or Add/ Remove Applications), and especially compiling programs from source code, can result in a number of things you may not expect, including but not limited to: * programs that don't run correctly, or at all * problems identifying and installing dependencies; all the other programs that the program you are trying to install needs to run correctly * having to manually update to newer versions if and when they become available (apt-get update will not help you here) * having to manually uninstall the program if you no longer want it (apt-get remove and apt-get purge will not help you here) * security vulnerabilities, and /or race condition bugs, introduced into your system due to a lack of testing of programs you've manually installed with the distro you're using When installing software that is not included in the default repositories of the distro you're using, it's best to test the program on a clone system on a separate partition, or another computer, running the same version of the same distro. This makes it less likely that you will bork your main system, and more likely that you will be able to connect to the net to seek advice on how to fix any problems you run into. Finally, when using a 100% free code distro like Trisquel (or Parabola or any of the others endorsed by the FSF), installing software from PPAs, or from the web, or compiling from source, can result in proprietary software being introduced into your system." Is there a page on the wiki communicating something along these lines? If not, I will create one, and anyone is welcome to improve the text.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Now how do I completely uninstall it after I've built it?
From the makefile, it looks like each file either is named or is in a directory
named something with "playonlinx" or "PlayOnLinux" as a substring, so that's
what we'd need to get rid of.
First lets get rid of our clone of the repository.
$ cd path/to/wherever/you/cloned/the/repository
$ rm -rf POL-POM-4/
'rm' means 'remove'. The '-rf' is necessary to remove directories.
Next cd into your root (top-level) directory
$ cd /
and search for all files and directories containing "playonlinux" or
"PlayOnLinux"
$ sudo find -iname "*playonlinux*"
'sudo' is to avoid getting getting messages of the form "find: *: Permission
denied". 'find' is the command we are running. '-iname' says to search
filenames and directory names ignoring case ('-name' without the 'i' would make
it case-sensitive). "*playonlinux*" is the string we're looking for. The '*'
before and after 'playonlinux' means that anything can come before or after
'playonlinux' in the name, as long as 'playonlinux' is in there somewhere. The
output should be a bunch of file names and locations.
In order to easily delete all of these at once, we're going to turn the whole
list of them into a variable: '$(sudo find -iname "*playonlinux*"). To see what
this looks like, run
$ echo $(sudo find -iname "*playonlinux*")
You should see the same files and directories as before, but printed all on one
line. Finally, we will remove them all with
$ sudo rm -rf $(sudo find -iname "*playonlinux*")
Please copy/pase that line exactly so that you don't accidentally remove
anything else.
Now run
$ sudo find -iname "*playonlinux*"
again and you'll see that the files are all gone.
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I think everything is in your home folder. Since you compiled it from git sources, it must be removed by hand. Remove the respective folder and its contents, files and binaries. Look for dot-files (something like .playonlinux). They are hidden files or directories. Remove them as well. In terminal, 'ls -a' shows dot-files (hidden files and directories). Caja has a setting to toggle to show hidden items in your home folder or root hierarchy.
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You might want to open a new thread and provide some specific information on the piece of software you are trying to install. Getting programs to run in Wine (PlayOnLinux is a tool to manage programs that are run using Wine) can be a bit hit-and-miss sometimes and it can be hard to find information on the specific issues one encounters, especially when trying to get a lesser known program to run.
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Now how do I completely uninstall it after I've built it?
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:)
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> Hi, with supreme guidance from mason and other (and some searxing)
> PlayOnLinux was successfully installed by building it. Thank you to
> all the helpful contributions.
Congrats! I can see from your posts that you are learning and getting the hang
of this.
> Aha, so "bin"-folder are what to look for when building?
Yes, when you see a 'bin' folder you can expect the binaries to be created
there.
> Well aren't there already something there? "check_dd_amd64.bz2
> check_dd_x86.bz2"?
Yes, but a .bz2 file is a compressed file[1], unlikely to be an executable
binary. You may be used to executable binaries having an .exe (in Windows) or
.app (in macOS) filename extension. In GNU/Linux they typically have no
filename extensions, which is why the extensionless files that appeared in bin
after running make were a good sign.
> I still can't fathom how you from this message:
> "./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such
> file or directory"
>
> are like: "Oh yeah totally. Looks like the development libraries for
> opengl are required and I don't have them installed. Let's fix that
> and try again.
You caught me. :) I did kind of gloss over that point. I'll explain more
thoroughly.
Files with a ".h" filename extension[2] are header files in C or C++. Put
simply, they are used to include other code in your code. If you see a missing
.h file when building, it usually means that the program you are building is
looking for a library that you don't have installed. Having played around with
OpenGL[3] in the past, I recognized GL/gl.h and knew what to install. If I
hadn't, I would have done what you did with X11/Xlib.h, which is search to find
out what you need to include. You can also often use 'apt-cache search' or
Synaptic to narrow down the possibilities. For example, I see X11/Xlib.h and
know that I want the development files (dev) for a library (lib) having to do
with X11 (x11) so I search
$ apt-cache search lib dev x11
look at the output, and guess that 'libx11-dev' is the most likely candidate.
> Wait what?? "which shell to use"? "and we are defaulting to one"?
It seems like you understand this better now thanks to onpon4 and loldier's
explanations.
> When I am i the POL-POM-4 directory and run "$ make" or "$ make
> install", what exactly am I telling the terminal to do? Am I telling
> it to do something with the Makefile?
When you run the program GNU Make by typing 'make', it looks for a makefile
telling it what to do. If you take a look at Makefile you'll see blocks of
instructions that begin with 'clean:', 'build:', and 'install:' When you just
run 'make' it assumes you just want to build the program, so it follows the
instructions under 'build'. When you run 'make install' it understands that you
also want to install the program, so it follows the instructions under
'install:' as well. If you look at the 'install' instructions you'll see this
line:
cp ./bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg} $(bindir)/
This is the line that the shell was having trouble with, which is why 'make
install'wasn't working. Until we specified a different shell.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bzip2
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Include_directive#C/C++
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B
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Hi, with supreme guidance from mason and other (and some searxing) PlayOnLinux was successfully installed by building it. Thank you to all the helpful contributions.
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Continuation 2: > "To fix this, add SHELL=/bin/bash at the top of Makefile and try again. $ sudo make install That worked! Now let's try to run the program." When I did that I got this output: https://pastebin.com/iBQcPakF To me that doesn't look the regular "it worked" message. Usually when I am installing something the terminal goes "these new packages will be installed Y/n?" and maybe some loading etc. But allright, I'll go along :) > That worked! Now let's try to run the program. $ playonlinux No module named wxversion When I did "$ playonlinux" I got this: https://pastebin.com/haPf3EJ6 and the program actually launched. I don't know if the program launched for you at this point, but yeah it doesn't look right with the "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "topmenu-gtk-module"" messages. I searx'd "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "topmenu-gtk-module" and what do you know, there is a package called "canberra-gtk-module". So I installed that I tried again, and got: https://pastebin.com/RsqasTuB The same message, but now without the "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"". So I searx'd "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "topmenu-gtk-module"" and the first result is this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/gtk-message-failed-to-load-module-topmenu-gtk-module/4964 I was not able to extract something clear from that thread. But I followed one of the persons' suggestion to go and search for "topmenu-gtk" in synaptic package manager. There I found "topmenu-gtk-common", "topmenu-gtk2" and topmenu-gtk3". All of them not installed. So I just installed them all. I run "$ playonlinux" once again and the terminal outputs this: https://pastebin.com/fsKY8eFT and the program launches yet again. This seems kind of nice to me. I don't like the "/usr/bin/playonlinux: line 1: -e: command not found" line though. I don't know what that supposed to mean. But the program launches though ! :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Type man make and it will shed some light on the subject. The makefile text file is involved.
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I see :) Thank you for stopping by onpon4. > The new line suggested explicitly makes it use GNU bash. When I am i the POL-POM-4 directory and run "$ make" or "$ make install", what exactly am I telling the terminal to do? Am I telling it to do something with the Makefile?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
I guess there's a makefile that you need to edit.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Makefile is a text file. He means to add that as a new line at the top of it. The new line suggested explicitly make it use GNU bash.
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Interesting indeed. Anyway, do you happen to know what mason means when he says: "The problem is that the makefile does not specify which shell to use, and we are defaulting to one that doesn't support brace expansion. To fix this, add SHELL=/bin/bash at the top of Makefile and try again."?
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Historically, shells have evolved and grown out of earlier shells by adding new features or have been developed from scratch because of license considerations. You need a way to pass commands and interact with the kernel and other programs, so the shell is out there to take care of that. Modern graphical user interfaces have mostly hidden the shell from the user. Some systems are headless, so you use the shell from another computer like a laptop connected to a serial interface or remotely.
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But most of the time the terminal (the car) just defaults to a certain shell (engine) even though we are trying to feed it the incompatible fuel?
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Oh, okay :) So a terminal can use many different "programs" (shells) to interpret the commands? Any the different "programs" (shells) work in different ways. Can an analogy be a car with an engine running on diesel and a car with an engine running gasoline (haha I searx'd "gasoline" and look at wikipedia's picture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline)? Which you have a car (terminal) having an engine (shell) that runs on either gasoline or diesel or something else (bash, /bin/bash or something else)?
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But in contrast to the car which has an engine (shell) that can only use on type of fuel (for example only bash). The terminal (the car) can swap out the engine (shell) if we specifically need diesel (/bin/bash) to get to a certain location?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
In this context, a shell is the comman interpreter. Usually it's bash. You can find out which shell you're using. echo $SHELL
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Continuation:
> No errors. Let's see what's in bin now.
$ ls bin
check_dd_amd64.bz2 check_dd_x86.bz2 playonlinux playonlinux-check_dd
playonlinux-pkg
Same as me :)
> Looks good. Now we'll use 'make install' to install the program.
Allright, so after one has done "$ make" one does "$ make install", noted.
> cp: cannot stat './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}': No such file or
directory
That's strange. I got something rather different:
install -d /usr/bin
install -d /usr/libexec
install: cannot change permissions of ‘/usr/libexec’: No such file or
directory
Makefile:58: recipe for target 'install' failed
make: *** [install] Error 1
But I noticed the word "permission" was used there so I tried "$ sudo make
install" which gave me:
https://pastebin.com/dvhRU5E2
With the same "cp: cannot stat './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}': No such
file or directory" as you! :)
> Huh. What's './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}'? Let's find out:
$ echo ./bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}
./bin/playonlinux ./bin/playonlinux-pkg
Cool :)
> This is called brace expansion. './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}' is
short for './bin/playonlinux ./bin/playonlinux-pkg',
Nice :)
> but somebody isn't figuring that out.
Well I don't blame them :P
> The problem is that the makefile does not specify which shell to use, and
we are defaulting to one that doesn't support brace expansion. To fix this,
add
SHELL=/bin/bash
at the top of Makefile and try again.
Wait what?? "which shell to use"? "and we are defaulting to one"?
Hold on five seconds mister fast dude.
According to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_%28computing%29)
a shell is "a user interface for access to an operating system's services. In
general, operating system shells use either a command-line interface (CLI) or
graphical user interface (GUI), depending on a computer's role and particular
operation. It is named a shell because it is the outermost layer around the
operating system kernel."
So here I am in my GUI shell, typing commands in my CLI shell trying to
install a program. But the program's "makefile" doesn't specify "which shell
to use"? Which of who? How many shells is there to choose from? Aren't we in
a CLI shell now? Inside a GUI shell? I am s confused here.
"and we are defaulting to one" ... I ... I what? How? When?
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Never mind, I searx'd "fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory", and someone suggested to install libx11-dev. Now $ make gives me: gcc -O2 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c -o ./bin/playonlinux-check_dd -lGL -lX11 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. Makefile:47: recipe for target 'build' failed make: *** [build] Error 1 Which still isn't quite like yours, but the main fatal error is the same, so I'll try to continue from here :) I'll be back!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> You need to be specific about what went wrong in order for us to help. I was able to install PlayOnLinux using the guide on their own website for the Ubuntu Trusty version. However, when I was using the program (PlayOnLinux that is) and was trying to install a program that was not one of their "listed programs", it didn't work. The manual installing wizard got me all the way up to choosing between 32 and 64 bit, but after that I got an error message which I attached a screenshot of.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Rather than only telling you how, I'm going to walk you through the problem solving process by which I figured out how. You'll notice that I don't really know what I'm doing. I just try things, figure out why they didn't work, fix the problem, and repeat until everything works. I suggest you learn to do this approach too. You can get pretty far with it. Nice! > First we need a copy of the source code. We will use git to make a clone of the repository on our machine. $ sudo apt install git $ cd path/to/somewhere $ git clone https://github.com/PlayOnLinux/POL-POM-4 This I understand. > I notice there is a directory called bin. Aha, so "bin"-folder are what to look for when building? > After we build the program, binaries should appear here. Well aren't there already something there? "check_dd_amd64.bz2 check_dd_x86.bz2"? > I also see something called Makefile. A makefile tells GNU Make how to build the program. Let's try using make now. Aha :) > We get an error: ./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory Well I got something slightly different: gcc -O2 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c -o ./bin/playonlinux-check_dd -lGL -lX11 make: gcc: Command not found Makefile:47: recipe for target 'build' failed make: *** [build] Error 127 But I searx'd "make: gcc: Command not found". Someone suggested to install gcc, so I did. Now $ make gives me: gcc -O2 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c -o ./bin/playonlinux-check_dd -lGL -lX11 ./src/check_direct_rendering.c:31:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. Makefile:47: recipe for target 'build' failed make: *** [build] Error 1 Which still isn't quite like the error message you get. But very close. The main thing here seems be this: "fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory", but that tells me nothing. Now I am lost. Stranded on an island. But anyway, let's suppose I got the same error message as you up to this point: I still can't fathom how you from this message: "./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory" are like: "Oh yeah totally. Looks like the development libraries for opengl are required and I don't have them installed. Let's fix that and try again. $ sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dev" :P Haha, but anyway. Don't interpret this as a token of ungratefulness. I really do appreciate the effort you put in this walkthrough for me. But because of factors I suppose neither you or me could've known about, it doesn't "walk me all the way through". But maybe ... maybe perhaps you are able to solve the error I got? If not: that's okay! :) Thank you anyway
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
When I saw this thread, I thought about mentioning this, but it seems it is irrelevant now that you did so... kudos!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Yeah, I was searching for "icotool" in Synaptic, which was the reason why I didn't find it - not sure what I was thinking. :P Even wine installed fine this time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Yeah I tried that method without luck also. You need to be specific about what went wrong in order for us to help. When something doesn't work, specify what you expected to happen and what happened instead. For now though, try the instructions from my last post, since I know that it works on Trisquel 8, will install PlayOnLinux natively, and will be a good learning experience for you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Yeah I tried that method without luck also. I was able to install the trusty version, but the program would not let me install "non-listed programs".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> How do I do that?:)
Rather than only telling you how, I'm going to walk you through the problem
solving process by which I figured out how. You'll notice that I don't really
know what I'm doing. I just try things, figure out why they didn't work, fix
the problem, and repeat until everything works. I suggest you learn to do this
approach too. You can get pretty far with it.
-- begin walkthrough --
First we need a copy of the source code. We will use git to make a clone of the
repository on our machine.
$ sudo apt install git
$ cd path/to/somewhere
$ git clone https://github.com/PlayOnLinux/POL-POM-4
This creates a directory called POL-POM-4. Let's see what's inside
$ cd POL-POM-4
$ ls
I notice there is a directory called bin.
$ ls bin
check_dd_amd64.bz2 check_dd_x86.bz2
After we build the program, binaries should appear here. I also see something
called Makefile. A makefile tells GNU Make how to build the program. Let's try
using make now.
$ make
We get an error:
./src/check_direct_rendering.c:33:19: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or
directory
Looks like the development libraries for opengl are required and I don't have
them installed. Let's fix that and try again.
$ sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dev
$ make
No errors. Let's see what's in bin now.
$ ls bin
check_dd_amd64.bz2 check_dd_x86.bz2 playonlinux playonlinux-check_dd
playonlinux-pkg
Looks good. Now we'll use 'make install' to install the program.
$ sudo make install
cp: cannot stat './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}': No such file or directory
Huh. What's './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}'? Let's find out:
$ echo ./bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}
./bin/playonlinux ./bin/playonlinux-pkg
This is called brace expansion. './bin/{playonlinux,playonlinux-pkg}' is short
for './bin/playonlinux ./bin/playonlinux-pkg', but somebody isn't figuring that
out. The problem is that the makefile does not specify which shell to use, and
we are defaulting to one that doesn't support brace expansion. To fix this, add
SHELL=/bin/bash
at the top of Makefile and try again.
$ sudo make install
That worked! Now let's try to run the program.
$ playonlinux
No module named wxversion
Crap. Let's see if there's something we can install called wxversion.
$ apt-cache search wxversion
python-wxversion - API for selecting the wxPython version to use
Cool. We'll take it.
$ sudo apt install python-wxversion
$ playonlinux
I get a bunch more messages about missing stuff related to Python and wx. I'm
getting impatient at this point, so I install all packages that begin with
'python-wx'
$ sudo apt install python-wx*
$ playonlinux
I now get a popup saying "PlayOnLinux cannot find cabextract
You need to install it to continue"
Okay.
$ sudo apt install cabextract
$ playonlinux
I get three similar popups, the first two telling me that I need things from
icoutils and the third telling me I need wine. The program actually launches
now, but it probably won't work without those dependencies.
$ sudo apt install icoutils wine
$ playonlinux
Finally, the program launches with no errors.
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Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
I haven't tried it myself in Trisquel, but PlayOnLinux is written in Python and doesn't need to be built. On the PlayOnLinux download page, click "All distributions" and download the generic package and extract it. Then run ./playonlinux (the file is actually not an executable, it's a script)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> you can always build it yourself How do I do that?:)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Here I am on PlayOnLinux' website trying to install PlayOnLinux and > notice that there is noe xenial version, only trusty. > > Does this mean that PlayOnLinux is incompatible with Trisquel 8? It means that the binary they provide was compiled for Ubuntu 14.04, on which Trisquel 7 is based. That does not necessarily mean that it won't work on Ubuntu 16.04/Trisquel 8. Try it, and if it doesn't work you can always build it yourself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
