date:20051211






Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about 
JD? 
Because simple folk like you are busy 
misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 

OK JD, I should have known better; since Barth 
is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what 
he
was about or what he said or didn't say; what I 
want to know is what Jesus is saying (present 
tense)

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:28:49 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:09:34 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


"But in respect of the very three elements which are supposed to 
vindicate it[theology]as a science, namely, 
the idea of unity, the possibility of myth, and the humanistic 
relevance of Christianity, it can only be described as completely empty from 
the theological standpoint, so that theology integrated along these lines 
must be flatly 
disowned as 
theology" (Dogmatics, 1.1, The word of 
God, pp. 9,10).

So the late Barth did or did not believe theology 
is a science? There is no way I can 
answer that question without you misunderstanding. 
Sorry. besides, the point of the above had nothing to do with 
"science." 

Is this what he said all that to say? 
This is not written in English. 



When critics of Barth leapfrogsuch foundational comments, they cannot possibly 
understand what Barth is 
all about. He is as "conservative" as one gets - if being centered in 
the Word is a definition of same. 

Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is 
about JD? Because simple folk like 
you are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 



Ppl can be conservative and well 
meaning
and still be dead wrong. Thank you for your testimony on that. 


Bro Barth seems to accept these 
criterion as legitimate considerations when one thinks to consider 
theology as a "science" 

How is it possible for theology to be a science 
when observation is the key toscience?
So how does one observe God? 
Who said the rules of natural 
science are the rules of thgology? Not me. Not 
Barth. Just you. You are just arguing with yourself on 
this one, Judy. 

1. freedom from contradiction

The Bible is already free 
from contradiction with or without Barth
Not the way you 
interpret it  

2. Unity in the sphere of its object. [read: subject 
matter].

That's sadly lacking - on TT at least, I guess 
Barth would have been unified with himself.]
Huh? All I know is that you do 
not agree with any other person on TT -- none of 
do.

3. The willingness to accept request for verification.

Who would he verify with? Anyone who has an ear for understanding. 


4. Respect for that which is physically and biologically 
impossible.

What is impossible with 
God?You miss the 
point. If you do not have have respect for what is 
naturally impossible, you will never recognize a miracle when it 
happens. 

5. Freedom from all prejudgments. 

6. The validity of axiomatic propositions [relative to biblical 
studies and 'theological' conclusions].

Certainly, these are excellent considerations as one considers a person 
hermeneutic. 
[] are my additions. 

jd

 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE





Blaine 
writes: The Book of Mormon is the word of 
God

I'm sure you 
know already that I don't buy that Blaine; God's Words never contradict 
themselves, he is not confused.
Thanks for your 
concern but to the contraryI am content, I enjoy my life, God has always 
been faithful so I'm not about
to desert Him at 
this late date. PS: He calls diviners and diviningan abomination 
that should not be seen in Israel.


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy 
you're just too fixed on a one bible only theme. You would enjoy your life 
more if you would loosen up on that point a bit, huh? The Book of Mormon 
is the word of God, and see what you are missing? 


  
  
  
  Tell me your 
  birthday, maybe I can psych out your problem . . . 
  :)
  
  Blainerb
  
  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 
  12/10/2005 12:41:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

I have it and 
have yet to figure out what it is excellent for  I'd put it on the 
same level as "Dead Sea Scrolls"

and "Dead Sea Scroll Bibles"



On Sat, 10 Dec 
2005 14:17:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I SELL this 
  book. It's excellent!
  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 







As you should 
know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only source of 
spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
Lost Books 
of the Bible, 
in which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not 
accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what 
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must 
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give 
you chapter and verse. 

 In the 
account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her as being 
very beautiful.

Blainerb
  
  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??




Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even 
thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that 
there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and 
believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a 
friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did 
love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe 
ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand 
everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the 
Father who make it and we stillneed to walk 
circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who 
does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I dont want to be 
  the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds 
  of Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against 
  everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. 
  Like Jesus, I dont want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with 
  His Truth. Jesus didnt reject the prostitute. He redeemed 
  her. Jesus didnt reject the world. He became part of it. He 
  bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret 
  Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture 
  revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the things of the world on 
  their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be 
  mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the 
  world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of 
  man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing 
  contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why cant 
  we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be 
  bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new 
  age. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Judy 
  Taylor
  
  I don't see His parables as every day 
  stuff - especially not when he told His disciples 
  that
  
  he spoke in parables so that some 
  would not see - rather than to make it easy for the 
  regular
  
  run of the mill person out there (see 
  Matt 13:34-43)
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
I use the word 
secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

Why do you call them "the secular 
allegory of His day?" Iz

Wasn't He born under the Law into a 
theocracy? 



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Jesus used the 
  secular allegory of His day; called parables. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 
  12:26 PMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL 
  comparable to Elvis??
  
  
  
  In a message 
  dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

Ugh! 
Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a 
while. Did God say it was 
through

secular 
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of 
preaching??
  
  Blainerb: 
  Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 
  
  
  
 
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)


   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/10/2005 6:32:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have returnedeven if only temporarily

cd:Taking youyour anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a fly-He says:" Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far away".Dean Moore wrote: 

\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.

 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.

-- 
~~~
Dave Hansen
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http://www.langlitz.com
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Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/10/2005 10:23:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox 

In a message dated 12/10/2005 7:49:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.

 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.

For instance???
Blainerb
cd: Such as "depending on how tight the leather is"-and other sexual references-just showing your heart that is coming out of your mouth-the same as your prophet-defiled.

[TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16




'Someone who is merely human doesn't accept the 
things of God's Spirit. They are foolishness to such people, you see, and they 
can't understand them because they need to be discerned spiitually.' But 
spiritual people discern everything , while nobody else can discern the truth 
about them! For. 'Who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct him?' 
But we have the mind of the Messiah'

Paul is now bringing his discussion of wisdom and 
folly, and spiritual maturity and immaturity, right down to where the 
Corinthians themselves are.They have been using the 'drug' of sophistry. 
supposing it makes them more 'spiritual'; and Paul declares that it has made 
them all the more human.

The more they take the drug, the more immature they 
show themselves to be; and the proof of it all is -- their in-fighting about 
different Christian teachers!

That is the main point Paul is making here, and it 
bears reflection in today's church as we so easily lapse from serious issues to 
personality clashes, and from personalities to mere gossip, while all the time 
pretending we are still dealing with important matters.

Paul draws a distinction between 'spiritual' people 
(vs 13) and merely 'human people', those living on the ordinary level.The former 
are ones in whom God's Spirit has come to dwell, opening them up to new depths 
and dimensions of truth and experience. The latter may think themselves 
'sophisticated' but they are 'merely human'. ('soul-ish') Such a person (the 
latter) simply can't understand what's going on when talk turns to the deeper 
things of the spirit. They become LIKE A TONE-DEAF PERSON AT AN OPERA: IT'S ALL 
NONSENSE TO THEM. Imagine being the only muscial person listening to a wonderful 
string quartet in a large room full of tone-deaf people. That is rather like 
Paul's picture of being a 'spiritual' person in a world of 'merely human' 
people.

Those who have the spirit have the MESSIAH'S MIND 


THE CORINITHIANS AREN'T READY FOR IT. Paul is 
drawing out the difference (2:6) between those who were ready for serious 
teaching and those who were still at the infancy stage. Paul declares (3:2) You 
are still babies. You are driven by all-too-human impulses.

LET THOSE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR, HEAR!

What is this passage NOT about? What IS it 
concerning? One ought not employ God's Word without spiritual discernment. Might 
it be the case that those who buttress their comments with many biblical 
citations occasionally display immaturity? Might it also be the case that one's 
maturity/discernment can itself be DISCERNED even in the absence of such 
citations? 

FWIW, I've found this to be the case quite in 
reading "G" But, let not this aside detract from the 
above.

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' 
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of 
years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was 
in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the 
  Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be 
surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT 
JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know 
nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then 
  you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if 
  the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You 
are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', 
as you put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are 
  keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what 
  we 
  
  
  would do if 
  we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in 
  trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is 
  a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the 
  mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in 
  the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
  more to come).  - Original Message - 
   From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
  some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the 
  world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is  
   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
   Target and   home depot stop advertising 
  Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you 
  walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target 
  stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers  
   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers 
  and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but 
  then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there 
  is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If 
  they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip 
  service.   Besides that, we need to get the 
  beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove 
  the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not 
  have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid. 
Why not take the family to church? What am I 
  missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my 
  mind. "If you do not  love me   more than 
  mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
Mine.   Do the rest of you get 
  worked up or nauseous over this? Is there
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
  thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let 
  your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say 
that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function on a 
par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry lots of 
material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?



- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE



Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost Books 
of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, 
but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what 
should and what should not be included in the holy writ.  I tried to find 
it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I 
will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her 
as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb


  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back and 
refresh .


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one account. 
He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than 
Cain--until Able was removed, at least.



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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

See my response to CPL.

- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 10, 2005 22:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
Subject-AE

That's interesting Lance!! If I do not soon find my copy I may buy
another from you? It is an excellent book!!
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:17:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I SELL this book. It's excellent!

- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
Subject-AE

As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only
source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled
Lost Books of the Bible, in
which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not
accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you
chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and
describes her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of
- why not go back and refresh
.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make
headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister
liked Able better than Cain--until Able
was"removed,"at least.

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher



what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)



Read Barth (instead of Dakes)


-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:17:21 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher





Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about JD? 
Because simple folk like you are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 

OK JD, I should have known better; since Barth is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what he
was about or what he said or didn't say; what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)

Re: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16




My, my Lance, you've just run right off here into 
another subject entirely - Let's stick with the one at hand and see 
what
God has to say about it ... Those prophets are 
messing with your head.

1 Cor2:14 Juxtaposes the two kinds of 
wisdom - which are natural/worldly and spiritual or 
thatfrom above.

1 Cor 1:20 "For since in the wisdom of God the world 
through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well pleased through 
the (incarnation)? ...foolishness of the message preached to save those who 
believe"

There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body 
(1 Cor 15:44-46)
There is wisdom from above and there is wisdom that is 
earthly, sensual and demonic (James 3:15)
There are people who are spiritually minded and those 
who are worldly minded and devoid of the Spirit (Jude 19)
Unless and until they repent the world can not receive 
the Spirit of Truth (John 14:17)
God makes foolish the wisdom of the world (1 Cor 
1:18-20)

So lets stay on track and see what leads up to 
1 Cor 2:14 .. Paul writes:
1 Cor 2:6 The wisdom we speak is not of this age nor of 
the rulers of this age who are passing away
1 Cor 2:7 We speak God's wisdom in a mystery 
.
1 Cor 2:8 The wisdom which none of the rulers of this 
age has understood ...
1 Cor 2:10 For to us God revealed them through the 
Spirit for the Spirit searches all things even the depths of 
God
1 Cor 2:11 Who knows the thought of a man except the 
spirit of the man which is in him ...
 
even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God
1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the 
world but the Spirit who is from God that we might know.
1 Cor 2:13 Which things we also speak not in words 
taught by human wisdom but in those taught by the Spirit
 
combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural (or worldly) man does not 
accept the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him and he 
cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So how did "merely human" get into the 
conversation and where does the drug of sophistry come from? Paul is 

discussing two kinds of wisdom here -this 
is not about who the people think they are or 
mature/immature.


On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:59:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  'Someone who is merely 
  human doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit. They are foolishness 
  to such people, you see, and they can't understand them because they need to 
  be discerned spiitually.' But spiritual people discern everything , while 
  nobody else can discern the truth about them! For. 'Who has known the mind of 
  the Lord, so as to instruct him?' But we have the mind of the 
  Messiah'
  
  Paul is now bringing his discussion of wisdom and 
  folly, and spiritual maturity and immaturity, right down to where the 
  Corinthians themselves are.They have been using the 
  'drug' of sophistry. supposing it makes them more 'spiritual'; and Paul 
  declares that it has made them all the more human.
  
  The more they take the drug, the more immature 
  they show themselves to be; and the proof of it all is -- their in-fighting 
  about different Christian teachers!
  
  That is the main point Paul is making here, and 
  it bears reflection in today's church as we so easily lapse from serious 
  issues to personality clashes, and from personalities to mere gossip, while 
  all the time pretending we are still dealing with important 
  matters.
  
  Paul draws a distinction between 'spiritual' 
  people (vs 13) and merely 'human people', those living on the ordinary 
  level.The former are ones in whom God's Spirit has come to dwell, opening them 
  up to new depths and dimensions of truth and experience. The latter may think 
  themselves 'sophisticated' but they are 'merely human'. ('soul-ish') Such a 
  person (the latter) simply can't understand what's going on when talk turns to 
  the deeper things of the spirit. They become LIKE A TONE-DEAF PERSON AT AN 
  OPERA: IT'S ALL NONSENSE TO THEM. Imagine being the only muscial person 
  listening to a wonderful string quartet in a large room full of tone-deaf 
  people. That is rather like Paul's picture of being a 'spiritual' person in a 
  world of 'merely human' people.
  
  Those who have the spirit have the MESSIAH'S MIND 
  
  
  THE CORINITHIANS AREN'T READY FOR IT. Paul is 
  drawing out the difference (2:6) between those who were ready for serious 
  teaching and those who were still at the infancy stage. Paul declares (3:2) 
  You are still babies. You are driven by all-too-human impulses.
  
  LET THOSE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR, 
  HEAR!
  
  What is this passage NOT about? What IS it 
  concerning? One ought not employ God's Word without spiritual discernment. 
  Might it be the case that those who buttress their comments with many biblical 
  citations occasionally display immaturity? Might it also be the case that 
  one's maturity/discernment can

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher




I am not of Barth and neither am I of Dakes 
jt

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:59:50 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  what I want to know is what Jesus is 
  saying (present tense)
  
  Read Barth (instead of Dakes)
  
  
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  
  
  Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about 
  JD? 
  Because simple folk like you are busy 
  misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 
  
  OK JD, I should have known better; since 
  Barth is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what 
  he
  was about or what he said or didn't say; what 
  I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present 
  tense)
  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

So the North star points DOWN and looks just like the SATANIC star What a coincidence![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Good picture of part of the recently completed Nauvoo Illinois Temple, Kevin. But the star on the wall of the Temple represents the North Star, which represents Jesus Christ. Kevin you need to remove the beam from youreye and then the LDS eye will appear perfectly clear. Blainerb In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:42:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Looks like the LDS have actually suceeded in ressurecting the old Canaanite BAAL Worship! Notice Antons Satanic STAR on the temple below!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: temple stone! Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood of God the
lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251 Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the
chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12 Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the heavens? Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark
world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22) Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of atonement" ( the day of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of the 24-hour Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the day. The morning sacrifice appears to have represented Jesus Christ, who would come in the meridian of time, and the afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did "more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it" (DC 135:3). Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the round-faced image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun have a face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun the same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun worship"? "Graven Images"?"When the suun is in the seventh house...and Ju-pi-ter aligns with Mars.Pce will guide the pla-a-nuts, and lve will guide the stars, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of
aguarius...aquris...aquriiiuuus".Gee, that was fun. I haven't sung that since Pluto was in the doghouse.Blaine, can you explain what the age of aquarius is, if we are now in the age of aquarius, and how that squares with your mormon beliefs, or how it does not?Do you believe Nostradamus to be an authentic prognosticator of the future? What evidence do you have of the truth of his prophecies?Thanks,Perry

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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

So Satan told the Truth as far as "ye shall be as" But God left this info out, and did not tell them the "WHOLE TRUTH"?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:15:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   The lie that Satan perpetrated in the garden of Eden to deceive Eve is still alive today in some cults..."and ye shall be as gods".Perry   
   Blainerb: "and ye shall be as the gods, knowing good and evil," was actually the truth--the lie was that they would not die. Satan often pairs the truth with a lie so as to give the lie credibility--politicians often do the same thing, as do Street Preachers :)  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 Who's he?Apparentlt the guy who designed the stars on your TEMPLES!  No wonder there is the sign of Baphomet all over your temples as Joe was a Freemason.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:24:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Iheard that there was abook explaining how the earth is the center of the UniverseIt probably has as much truth as your
 book.  If I give you chapter  verse out of this book? so what!Are Anton Laveys books good for your "spiritual Enlightenment"? Who's he?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that
 are written as being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse.In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her as being very beautiful.  Blainerb  
	
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RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??









We can walk very circumspectly and still
use the technology and cultures of the world to reach souls for Christ.
The dark ages were dark because the Word was under the control of the rigid religious
institutions and kept in a box. The whole world wont be redeemed
until Christ returns. Until then we redeem one life at a time. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
2:59 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??







Where was the Word during the dark
ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and
some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God
hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone
was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is
God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and
allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the
Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand
everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the
Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we
walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn
himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





I dont want to be the kind of
person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of
Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against
everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ.
Like Jesus, I dont want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world
with His Truth. Jesus didnt reject the prostitute. He
redeemed her. Jesus didnt reject the world. He became part
of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that
His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom
are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the
things of the world on their head, and use them to spread the
Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things
of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over
every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those
strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called
Bibles. Why cant we just read from the scrolls like our
grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but
explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor





I don't see His parables as every day
stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that





he spoke in parables so that some would
not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular





run of the mill person out there (see
Matt 13:34-43)











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





I use the word secular to denote
everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor





Why do you call them the secular
allegory of His day? Iz





Wasn't He born under the Law into a
theocracy? 











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Jesus used the secular allegory of His
day; called parables. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??









In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Ugh! Will have
to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it
was through





secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??









Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS
Lewis and his writings? 













judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)











judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)











judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

Actually, you didn't answer the question. The gentile in Romans 2 IS NOT a regeneratedindividual. How do we know this?This is a person who has never heard the preaching of the law of God (Paul contrasts hearing with doing in this context) AND his salvation is tenuous , at best, because it is based solely upon his ability to "naturally" obey the law apart from any spirit influence or knowledge of the law. And , as often as not, he fails in this doing , by the way.If the phrase "by nature" means to include the indwelling of the Spirit, then the Jew in this passage DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT, for he is clearly NOT doing the law "by nature." Your theology of Ro 2 has the Jew , in this passage lost and without the Spirit. But, of course, you do not believe that a
nd so away you go.

And your out of context I Co 2:14 is really getting old. So unregenerated man cannot receive the things of God unless he is given the Holy Spirit of God -- right? There are those who have the Spirit and are thereby regenerated and those who do not and are unregenerated. And the unregenerated cannot receive the things of God - nothing from God for all that God lays on us is spiritual -- right And this would include the Corinthians -- right?? I mean , the text says ".and even now, you are still not able" (I Co 3:2).So, why is he writing to them if they are not able to understand what he is saying? And how did they come to a knowledge of the truth in the first place ? And on what occasion do you KNOW that you are right and cannot be wrong, Jud
y? How many times have you read the text, layed it down and said to yourself," I have no need to read this again for I know that I know ," Could you give me an example of a fewspecific scriptures that you understand to the point of never having to review those scriptures for "truth's" sake? Maybe just four or five scriptures.

And how many of these questions will you now ignore? You are cultish in your doctrine and blind to any possibility of change. That is NOT the leadership of the Spirit.

I will await your answers.

-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:24:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

Whatever JD; You asked the question, I just answered it.
Maybe it's best for you to stick with Barth and leave Romans to those who understand Paul the apostle who
is inspired by the Spirit of God. As I've said before scripture is 'spiritually discerned' 1 Cor 2:14. So my reason, your reason, and/or Barth's reasonings have nothing to do with anything, not anything important that is.

RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









Yes, welcome back Brother Dean. (Where
were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday Sabbath?) iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
4:57 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine
Autumn equinox



























- Original Message - 





From: Dave Hansen 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 12/10/2005
6:32:21 PM 





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox











DAVEH: Welcome
back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have
returnedeven if only temporarily











cd:Taking youyour
anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a
fly-He says: Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see
you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far
away.

Dean Moore wrote: 













\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down
artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.











 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one
speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just
another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your
actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how
Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your
church.





















-- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??


God hasn't redeemed the whole world . ?? !-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??





Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I don't want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor

I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that

he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular

run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43)



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I use the word secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor

Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz

Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? 



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??



In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through

secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??

Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 


 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)


 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

The POWER of the Priesthood is in the STARS!  Astrology plays an important part in the RESTORATION of BAAL Worship!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Blainerb wrotez:President Lee is referring to the one star in the Big Dipper constellation called the North Star.Actually, Blaine, the north star is at the tip of the tail of ursa minor...the little dipper. And men live on the moon.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. CleoDate: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:13:22 ESTBlainerb: I actually saw and touched one of the original Sunstones thatwere placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo Illinois. The state of Illinois
 hadretained it for their museum. Thanks for showing us what it looks like. It represents--symbolizes--the highest degree of brightness and glory man may attain too in the resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun. It is in no way a representation of what God actually looks like. (Read more below)In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:(http://www.utlm.org/images/masonictemplearticle/nomanknowsmyhistory_p298b.jpg)temple stone!Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either thesun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commandedDu 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or hisdaughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observerof times, or an enchanter, or a
 witch.There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of the Big Dipper on theSalt Lake Temple, explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent thegreat truth that through the priesthood of God the lost may find their way."Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251Blainerb: President Lee is referring to the one star in the Big Dipperconstellation called the North Star. Unlike the other six stars, it remainsconstant as the earth turns on its axis every twenty-four hours, and thussymbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or changes, but remains a constantsource of enlightenment for those who seek his counsel and who seek to emulateHim. We may, like the mariners of old who kept their course steady by taking afix on the North Star, find our spiritual directions by taking a fix on
 JesusChrist.Blainerb: The above photo is of another section of the outer wall of theoriginal Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple. The star symbolizes the lowest of the threedegrees of glory man may attain to in the resurrection. Since stars producetheir own light, these are probably those who stand in their own light andreject the greater light of Jesus Christ.The moon represents the middle degree of glory man may be resurrected to.The glory of the moon is a reflection of the light received from the sun, andso shall it be among the inhabitants of this glory/Kingdom. That is, theywill accept the greater light of Jesus Christ, and will be among the honorableof the earth, but were not valiant in their testimony of Jesus Christ.Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands in his own light. :)Amos 5:26 But ye
 have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun yourimages, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings ofJudah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah,and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense untoBaal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host ofheaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to thesun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber ofNathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots ofthe sun with fire._http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12_(http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12)Enoch, Abraham, and Moses
 all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smithcalled the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star.Why this preoccupation with the heavens?In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called the "bright and Morning Star.This would be Venus, which because of its being closer to the sun than theearth, sometimes follows the sun down as the Evening Star, sometimes is hiddenbehind the sun, and sometimes precedes the sun arising in the morning, so iscalled the Morning Star. This sequence symbolizes the death (Evening Star),burial (star behind the sun) and resurrection (Morning Star) of JesusChrist. It is all symbolic. ByTheWay, the Hopi Indians include part of thissequence in one of their ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a whiterobe and a fake beard, and chant, "I am the bright and morning star."(Book of
 the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank Waters.)Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days,so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805coincided with the

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE




How amazing - This situation completely reverses 
everything
Woe until them that call evil 
goodandgoodevil; that put darkness for light, and light for 
darkness
that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!! (Isa 
5:20)

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 05:34:04 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  So Satan told the Truth as far as "ye shall be as" 
  But God left this info out, and did not tell them the "WHOLE 
TRUTH"?
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  




In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:15:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The lie that Satan 
  perpetrated in the garden of Eden to deceive Eve is still alive today 
  in some cults..."and ye shall be as 
  gods".Perry


Blainerb: 
"and ye shall be as the gods, knowing good and evil," 
was actually the truth--the lie was that they 
would not die. Satan often pairs the truth with a lie so 
as to give the lie credibility--politicians often do the same thing, as do 
Street Preachers :)




  
  
  
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He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16




Yes, Judy, IT IS. THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO THINK 
THEMSELVES MATURE. (think being the operative word).As I understand you both, 
you and David believe both your apprehension of and, your interpretation(s) of, 
Scripture to be 'Spirit-Inspired' (Does Scripture have ONE MEANING? Are both you 
and David always in possession of that ONE MEANING?)

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 11, 2005 08:23
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 
  2:14-16
  
  My, my Lance, you've just run right off here into 
  another subject entirely - Let's stick with the one at hand and see 
  what
  God has to say about it ... Those prophets are 
  messing with your head.
  
  1 Cor2:14 Juxtaposes the two kinds of 
  wisdom - which are natural/worldly and spiritual or 
  thatfrom above.
  
  1 Cor 1:20 "For since in the wisdom of God the world 
  through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well pleased through 
  the (incarnation)? ...foolishness of the message preached to save those who 
  believe"
  
  There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body 
  (1 Cor 15:44-46)
  There is wisdom from above and there is wisdom that 
  is earthly, sensual and demonic (James 3:15)
  There are people who are spiritually minded and those 
  who are worldly minded and devoid of the Spirit (Jude 19)
  Unless and until they repent the world can not 
  receive the Spirit of Truth (John 14:17)
  God makes foolish the wisdom of the world (1 Cor 
  1:18-20)
  
  So lets stay on track and see what leads up 
  to 1 Cor 2:14 .. Paul writes:
  1 Cor 2:6 The wisdom we speak is not of this age nor 
  of the rulers of this age who are passing away
  1 Cor 2:7 We speak God's wisdom in a mystery 
  .
  1 Cor 2:8 The wisdom which none of the rulers of this 
  age has understood ...
  1 Cor 2:10 For to us God revealed them through the 
  Spirit for the Spirit searches all things even the depths of 
  God
  1 Cor 2:11 Who knows the thought of a man except the 
  spirit of the man which is in him ...
   
  even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God
  1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the 
  world but the Spirit who is from God that we might know.
  1 Cor 2:13 Which things we also speak not in words 
  taught by human wisdom but in those taught by the Spirit
   
  combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words
  1 Cor 2:14 But the natural (or worldly) man does not 
  accept the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him and he 
  cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
  
  So how did "merely human" get into the 
  conversation and where does the drug of sophistry come from? Paul is 
  
  discussing two kinds of wisdom here 
  -this is not about who the people think they are or 
  mature/immature.
  
  
  On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:59:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
'Someone who is merely 
human doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit. They are foolishness 
to such people, you see, and they can't understand them because they need to 
be discerned spiitually.' But spiritual people discern everything , while 
nobody else can discern the truth about them! For. 'Who has known the mind 
of the Lord, so as to instruct him?' But we have the mind of the 
Messiah'

Paul is now bringing his discussion of wisdom 
and folly, and spiritual maturity and immaturity, right down to where the 
Corinthians themselves are.They have been using 
the 'drug' of sophistry. supposing it makes them more 'spiritual'; 
and Paul declares that it has made them all the more human.

The more they take the drug, the more immature 
they show themselves to be; and the proof of it all is -- their in-fighting 
about different Christian teachers!

That is the main point Paul is making here, and 
it bears reflection in today's church as we so easily lapse from serious 
issues to personality clashes, and from personalities to mere gossip, while 
all the time pretending we are still dealing with important 
matters.

Paul draws a distinction between 'spiritual' 
people (vs 13) and merely 'human people', those living on the ordinary 
level.The former are ones in whom God's Spirit has come to dwell, opening 
them up to new depths and dimensions of truth and experience. The latter may 
think themselves 'sophisticated' but they are 'merely human'. ('soul-ish') 
Such a person (the latter) simply can't understand what's going on when talk 
turns to the deeper things of the spirit. They become LIKE A TONE-DEAF 
PERSON AT AN OPERA: IT'S ALL NONSENSE TO THEM. Imagine being the only 
muscial person listening to a wonderful string quartet in a large room full 
of tone-deaf people. That is rather like Paul's picture of being a 
'spiritual' person in a world

RE: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16









I am stunned. Lance has a tongue! (pen? Keyboard??)
iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
6:00 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians
2:14-16 







'Someone who is merely human doesn't accept the things of
God's Spirit. They are foolishness to such people, you see, and they can't
understand them because they need to be discerned spiitually.' But spiritual
people discern everything , while nobody else can discern the truth about them!
For. 'Who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct him?' But we have
the mind of the Messiah'











Paul is now bringing his discussion of wisdom and folly, and
spiritual maturity and immaturity, right down to where the Corinthians
themselves are.They have been using the 'drug' of sophistry. supposing it
makes them more 'spiritual'; and Paul declares that it has made them all the
more human.











The more they take the drug, the more immature they show
themselves to be; and the proof of it all is -- their in-fighting about
different Christian teachers!











That is the main point Paul is making here, and it bears
reflection in today's church as we so easily lapse from serious issues to
personality clashes, and from personalities to mere gossip, while all the time
pretending we are still dealing with important matters.











Paul draws a distinction between 'spiritual' people (vs 13)
and merely 'human people', those living on the ordinary level.The former are
ones in whom God's Spirit has come to dwell, opening them up to new depths and
dimensions of truth and experience. The latter may think themselves
'sophisticated' but they are 'merely human'. ('soul-ish') Such a person (the
latter) simply can't understand what's going on when talk turns to the deeper things
of the spirit. They become LIKE A TONE-DEAF PERSON AT AN OPERA: IT'S ALL
NONSENSE TO THEM. Imagine being the only muscial person listening to a
wonderful string quartet in a large room full of tone-deaf people. That is
rather like Paul's picture of being a 'spiritual' person in a world of 'merely
human' people.











Those who have the spirit have the MESSIAH'S MIND 











THE CORINITHIANS AREN'T READY FOR IT. Paul is drawing out
the difference (2:6) between those who were ready for serious teaching and
those who were still at the infancy stage. Paul declares (3:2) You are still
babies. You are driven by all-too-human impulses.











LET THOSE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR, HEAR!











What is this passage NOT about? What IS it concerning? One
ought not employ God's Word without spiritual discernment. Might it be the case
that those who buttress their comments with many biblical citations
occasionally display immaturity? Might it also be the case that one's
maturity/discernment can itself be DISCERNED even in the absence of such
citations? 











FWIW, I've found this to be the case quite in reading
G But, let not this aside detract from the above.

Re: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16

Amen to this, Professor Muir !

jd-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:59:36 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] 1 Corinthians 2:14-16

'Someone who is merely human doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit. They are foolishness to such people, you see, and they can't understand them because they need to be discerned spiitually.' But spiritual people discern everything , while nobody else can discern the truth about them! For. 'Who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct him?' But we have the mind of the Messiah'

Paul is now bringing his discussion of wisdom and folly, and spiritual maturity and immaturity, right down to where the Corinthians themselves are.They have been using the 'drug' of sophistry. supposing it makes them more 'spiritual'; and Paul declares that it has made them all the more human.

The more they take the drug, the more immature they show themselves to be; and the proof of it all is -- their in-fighting about different Christian teachers!

That is the main point Paul is making here, and it bears reflection in today's church as we so easily lapse from serious issues to personality clashes, and from personalities to mere gossip, while all the time pretending we are still dealing with important matters.

Paul draws a distinction between 'spiritual' people (vs 13) and merely 'human people', those living on the ordinary level.The former are ones in whom God's Spirit has come to dwell, opening them up to new depths and dimensions of truth and experience. The latter may think themselves 'sophisticated' but they are 'merely human'. ('soul-ish') Such a person (the latter) simply can't understand what's going on when talk turns to the deeper things of the spirit. They become LIKE A TONE-DEAF PERSON AT AN OPERA: IT'S ALL NONSENSE TO THEM. Imagine being the only muscial person listening to a wonderful string quartet in a large room full of tone-deaf people. That is rather like Paul's picture of being a 'spiritual' person in a world of 'merely human' people.

Those who have the spirit have the MESSIAH'S MIND

THE CORINITHIANS AREN'T READY FOR IT. Paul is drawing out the difference (2:6) between those who were ready for serious teaching and those who were still at the infancy stage. Paul declares (3:2) You are still babies. You are driven by all-too-human impulses.

LET THOSE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR, HEAR!

What is this passage NOT about? What IS it concerning? One ought not employ God's Word without spiritual discernment. Might it be the case that those who buttress their comments with many biblical citations occasionally display immaturity? Might it also be the case that one's maturity/discernment can itself be DISCERNED even in the absence of such citations?

FWIW, I've found this to be the case quite in reading "G" But, let not this aside detract from the above.

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


:-)-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:08:08 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



From: Judy Taylor 




Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers &
gt;  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be  
 Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---
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 judyt He

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher

  And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)Read Barth (instead of Dakes)  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:17:21 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacherWhy is it necessary to understand what Barth is about JD?   Because simple folk like you
 are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. OK JD, I should have known better; since Barth is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what he  was about or what he said or didn't say; what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)  
	
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  so, when I was a kid, I thought I might be a cowboy ..
really. How 'bout you. 
  Rhinestone, or drug store, or real? It's not too late for
the first two. All you need is a pair of boots and a big hat.
  
  And I really kinda of
thought I would get old with my sister hanging around. 
  I never really thought that I would live long enough to get
old. My dad died when he was thirty-seven, and since he was bigger and
stronger and smarter than me, I could not imagine living longer than he
did.
  
  
  
  
  Did God save the best for the last? I think not. 
  
  

In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. What we have is paid for
now. That sure beats trying to get by on a shoestring. We can afford
to eat out on weekends now. That beats beanie weenies at home. The
last part of our marriage is much better than was the first part. We
have learned to be content with what God has given and no longer try to
keep up with the Jones'. I am not hoping to find the right woman and
have learned to be more impressed with inner beauty than in what I see
in the flesh. 
The down side is fading energy, fading memory, and spending a good
portion of our income on medicines.

  
   
  
  Reality has a way of preparing us for those things that , in our
  innocence, were furthest from our mind. 
  
  



  
  Looking backward, I can see God's hand on my life, pushing
here, protecting there, correcting at times and blessing at times,
bliss at some times, heartbreak at others. I think they call it
experience.
  
  

Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher


but you read Dakes. And I read Barth. I am no more "of Barth" than you are"of Dakes" so stop with the "you're out and I am in" games. 

jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:25:35 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher



I am not of Barth and neither am I of Dakes jt

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:59:50 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)

Read Barth (instead of Dakes)


From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about JD? 
Because simple folk like you are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 

OK JD, I should have known better; since Barth is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what he
was about or what he said or didn't say; what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)

 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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Sunday, December 11, 2005

Hi Friend,

Today's meditation is taken from:

THE CRISIS OF A CHRISTLESS CHRISTIANITY
by Chip Brogden

http://www.watchman.net/articles/crisis.html

“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee
out of My mouth” (Revelation 3:16).

We live in the Laodicean age that is characterized by insipid lukewarmness and blindness to the truth of our own spiritual condition. The picture presented to us is one of Christ standing on the outside of things, knocking at the door, and waiting for someone to open the door to Him (cf. Revelation 3:20). Since this is written to the saints it cannot be construed as an invitation to sinners to “invite Jesus into their heart”; instead, it is the Lord calling upon the church to make Him the center again. The issue was, and still is fellowship, communion, and abiding - maintaining its relationship to the Head.

God's solution for a lukewarm, tasteless, colorless, odorless church is a fresh revelation of Jesus Christ. He will bring us back to our foundation. He will align us with His Purpose. He will adjust us back to Himself. God will purge, refine, chasten, and conform us to the image of His Son. But we must respond to His invitation and open the door.

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If you include yoourself in this statement, a hearty "amen" from the Smithmeister !!-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 05:54:25 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher




And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 




what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)



Read Barth (instead of Dakes)


-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:17:21 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher






Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about JD? 
Because simple folk like you are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT. 

OK JD, I should have known better; since Barth is your forte - I leave him to you. I don't care what he
was about or what he said or didn't say; what I want to know is what Jesus is saying (present tense)



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Looking backward, I can see God's hand on my life, pushing here,
protecting there, correcting at times and blessing at times, bliss at
some times, heartbreak at others. I think they call it experience.

Terry





I like the country music song, The
Broken Road. It makes me think about how God 

uses even our heartbreaks and
disappointments to draw us closer to Him. iz



Rascal
Flatts - Bless The Broken Road Lyrics 

I set out on a
narrow way many years ago

Hoping I would
find true love along the broken road

But I got lost
a time or two

Wiped my brow
and kept pushing through

I couldn't see
how every sign pointed straight to you

Every long
lost dream lead me to where you are

Others who
broke my heart they were like northern stars

Pointing me on
my way into your loving arms

This much I
know is true

That God
blessed the broken road

That led me
straight to you



I think about
the years I spent just passing through

I'd like to
have the time I lost and give it back to you

But you just
smile and take my hand

You've been
there you understand

It's all part
of a grander plan that is coming true



Every long
lost dream lead me to where you are

Others who
broke my heart they were like northern stars

Pointing me on
my way into your loving arms

This much I
know is true

That God
blessed the broken road

That led me
straight to you



http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Rascal-Flatts/Bless-The-Broken-Road.html












From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
7:55 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some
thoughts





[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 

















so, when I was a
kid, I thought I might be a cowboy ..
really. How 'bout you. 





Rhinestone,
or drug store, or real? It's not too late for the first two. All
you need is a pair of boots and a big hat.





And I really kinda of thought I would get old
with my sister hanging around. 





I never
really thought that I would live long enough to get old. My dad died when
he was thirty-seven, and since he was bigger and stronger and smarter than me,
I could not imagine living longer than he did.



















Did God save the best for the
last? I think not. 





In some ways, yes. In other
ways, no. What we have is paid for now. That sure beats trying to
get by on a shoestring. We can afford to eat out on weekends now.
That beats beanie weenies at home. The last part of our marriage is much
better than was the first part. We have learned to be content with what
God has given and no longer try to keep up with the Jones'. I am not
hoping to find the right woman and have learned to be more impressed with inner
beauty than in what I see in the flesh. 
The down side is fading energy, fading memory, and spending a good
portion of our income on medicines.













Reality has a way of preparing us
for those things that , in our innocence,
were furthest from our mind. 













Looking backward, I can see God's hand on my life, pushing here,
protecting there, correcting at times and blessing at times, bliss at
some times, heartbreak at others. I think they call it experience.





Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


Yes, welcome back Brother Dean. (Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday Sabbath?) iz
cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 

From: Dave Hansen 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/10/2005 6:32:21 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox



DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have returnedeven if only temporarily



cd:Taking youyour anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a fly-He says:" Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far away".Dean Moore wrote: 




\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.



 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.




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Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:42:37 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How do you know he had never heard the preaching of
the cross of Christ? He just didn't have the Law the way
that the Jews did.He
would have to be regenerated to 'DO BY NATURE' what is written in God's
Law. Love is the
fulfillment of the law and the unregenerated gentile
would be unable to do this. Paul was speaking to the Church
at Rome wasn't he?

And , as often as not, he fails in this doing , by the
way.If the phrase "by nature" means to include the indwelling of the Spirit, then the Jew in
this passage DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT, for
he is clearly NOT doing the law "by
nature." Your theology of Ro 2 has the Jew , in this passage lost
and without the Spirit. But, of course, you do not believe that a
nd so away you go.

My so called theology is not judging any Jew one way
or the other. I assume a believing Jew would do the same
thing but having access to God'slaw helps me so
I figure it would also help them.Why would the Judaizers be
coming
to the Church at Rome on
Sunday- they would be going to the Synagogue wouldn't they?

And your out of context I Co 2:14 is really getting old. So
unregenerated man cannot receive the
things of God unless he is given the Holy Spirit of God --
right?

RIGHT!! This is what Paul is teaching here and
it would make things a whole lot easier for you if you accepted the
fact.

There are those who have the Spirit and are thereby regenerated and those
who do not and are unregenerated. And the unregenerated cannot receive the things of God -
nothing from God for all that God lays on us is spiritual --
right

RIGHT.
1. God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
2. The Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit
of the Lord is there is liberty (2 Cor 3:17)
3.Mankind are spirit beings (Zech
12:1)
4. The Law is spiritual (Rom 7:14)

And this would include the Corinthians -- right?? I
mean , the text says ".and even now, you are still not able" (I Co
3:2).So, why is he writing to them if they are not able to
understand what he is saying? And how did they come to a knowledge
of the truth in the first place ? And on what occasion
do you KNOW that you are right and cannot be wrong, Jud
y? How many times have you read the text, layed it down and said to yourself," I
have no need to read this again for I know that I know ," Could you give
me an example of a fewspecific scriptures that you understand to the
point of never having to review those scriptures for "truth's" sake? Maybe just four or five
scriptures.

No JD, I couldn't give you anything because you and
your theologians already KNOW IT ALL.

And how many of these questions will you now ignore?

If I had been sensible enough to read through the
whole thing first I wouldn't have answered any of them
because you are not sincerely wanting to know
anything from me - you are just bloviating here and your mind
is already made up.

You are cultish in your doctrine and
blind to any possibility of
change. That is NOT the
leadership of the Spirit.

If I were you JD, I'd go back to Barth. He is the one
with all the answers, along with TFT, Polyani, etc...

I will await your answers.

-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:24:07
-0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

Whatever JD; You asked the question, I just answered
it.
Maybe it's best for you to stick with Barth
and leave Romans to those who understand Paul the apostle
who
is inspired by the Spirit of God.
As I've said before scripture is
'spiritually discerned' 1 Cor 2:14. So my
reason, your reason, and/or Barth's
reasonings have nothing to do with
anything, not anything important that is.

judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil




 cd: Kevin how does this star compare to the one mentioned in Isaiah 14:12?




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 8:31:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

So the North star points DOWN and looks just like the SATANIC star
What a coincidence![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Good picture of part of the recently completed Nauvoo Illinois Temple, Kevin. But the star on the wall of the Temple represents the North Star, which represents Jesus Christ. 

Kevin you need to remove the beam from youreye and then the LDS eye will appear perfectly clear. 
Blainerb




In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:42:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Looks like the LDS have actually suceeded in ressurecting the old Canaanite BAAL Worship!


Notice Antons Satanic STAR on the temple below!

Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


temple stone!
Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded


Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood of God the lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251

 
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire.
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12
Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the heavens?
Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22) Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of atonement" ( the day of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of the 24-ho
ur Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the day. The morning sacrifice appears to have represented Jesus Christ, who would come in the meridian of time, and the afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did "more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it" (DC 135:3).
Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine, the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the round-faced image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun have a face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun the same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun worship"? "Graven Images"?"When the suun is in the seventh house...and Ju-pi-ter aligns with Mars.Pce will guide the pla-a-nuts, and lve will guide the stars, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of aguarius...aquris...aquriiiuuus".Gee, that was fun. I haven't sung that since Pluto was in the doghouse.Blaine, can you explain what the age of aquarius is, if we are now in the age of aquarius, and how that squares with your mormon beliefs, or how it does not?Do you believe Nostradamus to be an authentic prognosticator of the
 future? What evidence do you have of the truth of his prophecies?Thanks,Perry





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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE









- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 8:34:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

So Satan told the Truth as far as "ye shall be as" But God left this info out, and did not tell them the "WHOLE TRUTH"?
cd: They already new good due to God's presencein the garden- so their only gain was to know evil and they learned this after taking Satan adviceof sinning-as do Mormons love eating forbidding fruit so did AE. "Just a little lusting and all will be well as I am a spiritual man and cannot fall"- saith the fool in his heart-then speaks it with his mouth.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:15:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The lie that Satan perpetrated in the garden of Eden to deceive Eve is still alive today in some cults..."and ye shall be as gods".Perry


Blainerb: "and ye shall be as the gods, knowing good and evil," was actually the truth--the lie was that they would not die. Satan often pairs the truth with a lie so as to give the lie credibility--politicians often do the same thing, as do Street Preachers :)







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Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??




He paid the price for all of them - but they won't all 
come. Read your Bible JD.
It is those who not only come - but those who endure to 
the end who are saved.
Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He 
spews the lukewarm out.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  God hasn't redeemed the whole world 
  . ?? 
  !-Original 
  Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 
  11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to 
  Elvis??
  

  
  

  Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even 
  thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that 
  there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and 
  believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a 
  friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did 
  love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe 
  ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand 
  everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of 
  the Father who make it and we stillneed to 
  walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and happy is 
  he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

I don't want to be 
the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For 
God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against 
everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. 
Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with 
His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed 
her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it. 
He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret 
Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture 
revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on 
their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be 
mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the 
world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of 
man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing 
contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't 
we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not 
be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new 
age. izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

I don't see His parables as every 
day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples 
that

he spoke in parables so that some 
would not see - rather than to make it easy for the 
regular

run of the mill person out there 
(see Matt 13:34-43)



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I use the word 
  secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  Taylor
  
  Why do you call them 
  "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz
  
  Wasn't He born under 
  the Law into a theocracy? 
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Jesus used the 
secular allegory of His day; called parables. 
iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 
12:26 PMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL 
comparable to Elvis??



In a message 
dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Ugh! 
  Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a 
  while. Did God say it was 
  through
  
  secular 
  allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of 
  preaching??

Blainerb: 
Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 



   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
  
  
 
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 
  judyt 
  He

[TruthTalk] Joybells





Who is it (I believe JD and Blaine) who are constantly 
telling me to lighten up - or accusing me
of having no joy. Look at this bunch - God's 
people and I'd say they had some joy .. but it didn't 
help them any. I guess God must not believe in 
'once saved, always saved'

"therefore my people are gone into captivity, because 
they have no knowledge; and their honourable
men are famished, and their multitude dried up with 
thirst. Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and
opened her mouth without measure; and their glory, and 
their multitude, and their pomp, and he
that rejoiceth, shall 
descend into it." Isaiah 5:13,14)


 
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a link 
to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say 
that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function on a 
par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry lots 
of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost Books 
of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, 
but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what 
should and what should not be included in the holy writ.  I tried to find 
it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I 
will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
her as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb

  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back 
and refresh .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one account. 
He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than 
Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

--
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Charles Perry Locke!!

I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a 
link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say 
that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function on 
a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry 
lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost 
Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as 
being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions 
of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ.  I 
tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if 
I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
her as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb

  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back 
and refresh .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one 
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able 
better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

--
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know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??




So then, DAVID MILLER, just what is it that you're 
saying concern yourself and Judy vis a vis THE SPIRIT AND 
INTERPRETATION?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 11, 2005 09:22
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable 
  to Elvis??
  
  He paid the price for all of them - but they won't 
  all come. Read your Bible JD.
  It is those who not only come - but those who endure 
  to the end who are saved.
  Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He 
  spews the lukewarm out.
  
  On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  


God hasn't redeemed the whole world 
. ?? 
!-Original 
Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 
-0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??





Where was the Word during the dark ages? 
(even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now 
deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and 
believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a 
friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did 
love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe 
ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, 
He did not run about willy nilly embracing 
everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's 
those who do the will of the Father who make it and we 
stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith 
we walk in is our own conviction and happy is he who does not condemn 
himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I don't want to 
  be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For 
  God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against 
  everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in 
  Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to 
  embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the 
  prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the 
  world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed 
  it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the 
  world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture 
  revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on 
  their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it be 
  mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome 
  the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of 
  man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new 
  printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called 
  Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our 
  grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but 
  explodes exponentially with each new age. 
  izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  Taylor
  
  I don't see His 
  parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples 
  that
  
  he spoke in parables 
  so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the 
  regular
  
  run of the mill 
  person out there (see Matt 13:34-43)
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
I use the word 
secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

Why do you call 
them "the secular allegory of His day?" 
Iz

Wasn't He born 
under the Law into a theocracy? 




On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Jesus used 
  the secular allegory of His day; called parables. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 
  12:26 PMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL 
  comparable to Elvis??
  
  
  
  In a message 
  dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

But you see, lance, it is almost impossible to have a straight conversation 
with you. I ask a quaestion, you answer a different one. That is called 
beign OBTUSE. It does not lead to conversation, and tends to make one appear 
arrogant. All I want to do is get a link to your bookstore. And, what is an 
anti-thingy?




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500

Charles Perry Locke!!

I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.


- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a 
link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say 
that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function on 
a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry 
lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?



- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
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  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost 
Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as 
being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions 
of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ.  I 
tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if 
I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
her as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb


  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back 
and refresh .


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one 
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able 
better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.



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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

I believe you mean to use the word ABSTRUSE instead of OBTUSE do you not, 
Charles? How are you able to MODERATE when you misperceive so regularly?


As to the 'anti-thingy', Charles: I weary, even though I must say mea culpa, 
(1 Cor 2) of you, Dean, Kevin, Judy etc. always writing in the 'attack 
mode'.


PS:I don't have a link.


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But you see, lance, it is almost impossible to have a straight 
conversation with you. I ask a quaestion, you answer a different one. That 
is called beign OBTUSE. It does not lead to conversation, and tends to 
make one appear arrogant. All I want to do is get a link to your 
bookstore. And, what is an anti-thingy?




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500

Charles Perry Locke!!

I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.


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Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a 
link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say 
that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function 
on a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I 
carry lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?



- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
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Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
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  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the 
only source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written 
as being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final 
decisions of what should and what should not be included in the holy 
writ.  I tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when 
I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
her as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb


  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back 
and refresh .


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one 
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able 
better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.



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[TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia




Interesting comments from CSL's stepson - contradicting 
the voice of scripture which says loving the brethren
is how we know we are "in Him" and His Spirit is in 
us. The professing church may not be as it should at any 
given time but where else 
does one go to findbrethren?

Did anyone see "The Hour of Power" this morning? Doug 
Gresham was on. He made one interesting comment (others, too) -"the closer 
Jack got to the Lord, the farther he got away from the church." Was "Jack" 
C.S.'s nickname? soks
 
  For those not on the SpareOom list, here is what Doug Gresham (Lewis's 
  stepson) had to say about the movie's critics Date: Sat, 10 
  Dec 2005 16:30:30 + From: douglas gresham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  Subject: Re: Digest Number 1946  Dear All,  
  Poking my nose around the door very briefly before resuming my ride on 
  the tornado that my life has become of late, to make a couple of 
  observations about our movie.  First, the attacks 
  from the sneering anti-Christian elements of the press are to be 
  expected and indeed welcomed. Expected because there are always 
  those who approach such matters blinded by their own prejudices, those 
  who feel that to tear down something great and glorious makes them 
  bigger, and those whom fame has eluded leaving them only notoriety 
  to pursue. Welcomed for they prove that we have stayed close 
  enough to Jack's original book to honour his work and thus provide 
  grist to the mills of the bigoted, the prejudiced and the 
  envious.  Second, whatever those who have never walked the 
  razor's edge may say, we know we have made a spectacularly 
  beautiful and very good movie. We know that what we have produced 
  honours Jack's work and delights both children and adults who are 
  honest in their approach to it. No film is ever perfect, so don't 
  expect perfection. This one though, is very good. So don't worry 
  about what is written by snide hacks who have never made a movie 
  nor written a halfway decent book in their lives, just go and see 
  it and form your own opinion of our work.  I am 
  hurtling off again soon, but will check in occasionally to see 
  what your opinions are, for they are more valuable to me than 
  most.  Blessings all (in haste)  Doug 
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RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Sunday, December 11, 2005]

Amen!  Throw throw those rusty hinges open! :-)  Go for it!!! Iz

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I N F I N I T E   S U P P L Y

Sunday, December 11, 2005

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Hi Friend,

Today's meditation is taken from: 

THE CRISIS OF A CHRISTLESS CHRISTIANITY
by Chip Brogden

http://www.watchman.net/articles/crisis.html

::

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue
thee out of My mouth (Revelation 3:16).

We live in the Laodicean age that is characterized by insipid lukewarmness
and blindness to the truth of our own spiritual condition. The picture
presented to us is one of Christ standing on the outside of things, knocking
at the door, and waiting for someone to open the door to Him (cf. Revelation
3:20). Since this is written to the saints it cannot be construed as an
invitation to sinners to invite Jesus into their heart; instead, it is the
Lord calling upon the church to make Him the center again. The issue was,
and still is fellowship, communion, and abiding - maintaining its
relationship to the Head. 

God's solution for a lukewarm, tasteless, colorless, odorless church is a
fresh revelation of Jesus Christ. He will bring us back to our foundation.
He will align us with His Purpose. He will adjust us back to Himself. God
will purge, refine, chasten, and conform us to the image of His Son. But we
must respond to His invitation and open the door. 

:: 

Infinite Supply
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RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









I think we got it resolvedbetter not
stir the pot. iz











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Autumn equinox































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From: ShieldsFamily






To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









Yes, welcome back Brother Dean.
(Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday
Sabbath?) iz

cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting
of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.











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Autumn equinox



























- Original Message - 





From: Dave Hansen 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 12/10/2005
6:32:21 PM 





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox











DAVEH: Welcome
back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have
returnedeven if only temporarily











cd:Taking youyour
anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a
fly-He says: Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to
see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places
far away.

Dean Moore wrote: 













\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down
artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.











 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one
speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just
another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your
actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how
Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your
church.



















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RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

You are not, therefore, culturally relevant.  iz

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PS:I don't have a link. 


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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE






Perry in this case obtuse would probably be an 
improvement
I for one find the "abstruseness" since he likes that 
wordto be quite wearying.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:15:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: I believe you mean to use the word ABSTRUSE instead of OBTUSE do 
you  not,  Charles? How are you able to MODERATE when you 
misperceive so  regularly?  As to the 'anti-thingy', 
Charles: I weary, even though I must say  mea culpa,  (1 Cor 2) 
of you, Dean, Kevin, Judy etc. always writing in the  'attack  
mode'.  PS:I don't have a link.   - 
Original Message -  From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
Subject-AEBut you see, lance, it is almost 
impossible to have a straight   conversation with you. I ask a 
quaestion, you answer a different  one. That   is called 
beign OBTUSE. It does not lead to conversation, and  tends to  
 make one appear arrogant. All I want to do is get a link to your  
 bookstore. And, what is an "anti-thingy"?   
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE Date: Sun, 
11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500  Charles Perry 
Locke!!  I KNEW what you were asking! Let 
go this anti-thingy Charles.   
- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke"  
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
New Subject-AE   Lance, 
I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to  "post a 
 link to your bookstore so we can check out your 
wares."   From: 
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE 
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500 
 We'd best be certain that we're 
speaking of the same book(s).  When I say  that 
it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This  is  
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to 
 function  on a par with Scripture. I apologize 
if I mislead anyone on  this. I  carry lots of 
material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who  wouldn't? 
  - Original 
Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke"  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25 Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE  
 Lance, post a link to your 
bookstore so we can check out your  wares. 
  
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE 
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500 
 I SELL this book. It's 
excellent!  - Original Message 
-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
Subject-AE  
  As you 
should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be  the  
 only source of spiritual enlightenment! 
:) I have a book  titled   
Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are  written 
  as being true, but were not accepted by those 
who made the  final   decisions of what 
should and what should not be included in  the holy  
 writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried 
with stuff  from when   I moved--if I 
find it I will give you chapter and verse. 
 In the account it actually 
gives the sister's name, and  describes  
 her as being very beautiful. 
 Blainerb 
  
 In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. 
Mountain Standard  Time,   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 Blaine do you read the 
Bible?  It was not a 
coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not  go back  
 and refresh . 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I think 
Eve had a passal of children, they just  didn't make  
 headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, 
according to  one   account. He was 
jealous of Able because the coveted sister  liked Able  
 better than Cain--until Able was "removed," at 
least.   
-- "Let your speech be 
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may  
know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 
4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org 
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RE: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia









Yes, he was called Jack. There was a
time when the Lord called me away from church attendance. I know that is
difficult for some to understand, but He does call us apart to do a work in usthose
in the wilderness times where we dwell alone in the desert until
he calls us back. He did it with Jesus and with Paul. We have a
ministry in our church for those who have been so hurt by the church
that they carry wounds that hinder them from fully entering into
fellowship. 



I dont read anything below that he
said about not loving the brethren, unless you presume they are the sneering
anti-Christian elements of the press. iz













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
9:18 AM
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] : Doug
Gresham Comments on Narnia







Interesting comments from CSL's stepson
- contradicting the voice of scripture which says loving the brethren





is how we know we are in Him
and His Spirit is in us. The professing church may not be as it should at
any 





given time but where else does one go to
findbrethren?











Did anyone see The Hour of Power this morning? Doug
Gresham was on. He made one interesting comment (others, too) -the
closer Jack got to the Lord, the farther he got away from the
church. Was Jack C.S.'s nickname? soks

 For those not on the
SpareOom list, here is what Doug Gresham (Lewis's stepson) had to say about the
movie's critics

 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:30:30 +
 From: douglas gresham 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1946
 
 Dear All,
 
 Poking my nose around the door very briefly before resuming my 
ride on the
 tornado that my life has become of late, to make a couple of 
observations
 about our movie.
 
 First, the attacks from the sneering anti-Christian elements of 
the press
 are to be expected and indeed welcomed. Expected because there are 
always
 those who approach such matters blinded by their own prejudices, 
those who
 feel that to tear down something great and glorious makes them 
bigger, and
 those whom fame has eluded leaving them only notoriety to pursue. 
Welcomed
 for they prove that we have stayed close enough to Jack's original 
book to
 honour his work and thus provide grist to the mills of the 
bigoted, the
 prejudiced and the envious.
 
 Second, whatever those who have never walked the razor's edge may 
say, we
 know we have made a spectacularly beautiful and very good movie. 
We know
 that what we have produced honours Jack's work and delights both 
children
 and adults who are honest in their approach to it. No film is ever 
perfect,
 so don't expect perfection. This one though, is very good. So 
don't worry
 about what is written by snide hacks who have never made a movie 
nor
 written a halfway decent book in their lives, just go and see it 
and form
 your own opinion of our work.
 
 I am hurtling off again soon, but will check in occasionally to 
see what
 your opinions are, for they are more valuable to me than most.
 
 Blessings all (in haste)
 
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Like this is just us..eh? We in the 'Great White North' , hosers all, salute 
you. with our beer and back bacon.

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 10:21
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

You are not, therefore, culturally relevant.  iz

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PS:I don't have a link.

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[TruthTalk] CHARLES PERRY LOCKE....THIS IS JUST WHAT I REFERENCED IN MY POST TO YOU

Judy: do give it a rest, won't you?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 11, 2005 10:17
  Subject: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham 
  Comments on Narnia

  Interesting comments from CSL's stepson - 
  contradicting the voice of scripture which says loving the 
  brethren
  is how we know we are "in Him" and His Spirit is in 
  us. The professing church may not be as it should at any 
  given time but where else 
  does one go to findbrethren?

  Did anyone see "The Hour of Power" this morning? Doug 
  Gresham was on. He made one interesting comment (others, too) -"the 
  closer Jack got to the Lord, the farther he got away from the church." 
  Was "Jack" C.S.'s nickname? soks

For those not on the SpareOom list, here is what Doug Gresham (Lewis's 
stepson) had to say about the movie's critics Date: Sat, 
10 Dec 2005 16:30:30 + From: douglas gresham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1946  Dear All,  
Poking my nose around the door very briefly before resuming my ride on 
the tornado that my life has become of late, to make a couple of 
observations about our movie.  First, the 
attacks from the sneering anti-Christian elements of the press 
are to be expected and indeed welcomed. Expected because there are 
always those who approach such matters blinded by their own 
prejudices, those who feel that to tear down something great and 
glorious makes them bigger, and those whom fame has eluded 
leaving them only notoriety to pursue. Welcomed for they prove 
that we have stayed close enough to Jack's original book to 
honour his work and thus provide grist to the mills of the bigoted, 
the prejudiced and the envious.  Second, whatever 
those who have never walked the razor's edge may say, we know we 
have made a spectacularly beautiful and very good movie. We know 
that what we have produced honours Jack's work and delights both 
children and adults who are honest in their approach to it. No 
film is ever perfect, so don't expect perfection. This one 
though, is very good. So don't worry about what is written by 
snide hacks who have never made a movie nor written a halfway 
decent book in their lives, just go and see it and form your own 
opinion of our work.  I am hurtling off again soon, but will 
check in occasionally to see what your opinions are, for they 
are more valuable to me than most.  Blessings all (in 
haste)  Doug 
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE



MW: obtuse: 2b : difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought 
or expression

MW: abstruse: difficult to comprehend

Nope. I meant obtuse, not abstruse. What I was intending to say is that you 
do not approach questions from an acute angle. You most often respond to 
posts at a less than a direct angle, and have to play around with your own 
ideas about what others should be saying, or how they should be saying it 
instead of dealing directly (accutely) with what they have posted. It was a 
simple request, Lance, and a simple response would have done. IMO, this is 
not a sign of intelligence. It is a sign of arrogance and egocentrism. If 
you do not know what a poster is seeking, ask them. If you do, answer them 
directly. KISS.


Thanks for a straight answer to my original question about a website for 
your bookstore. It only took 4 posts to extract that simple answer from you.


As far as attack mode, please read my posts before you respond. Who have I 
attacked on this forum other than the promoters of mormon doctrine? (I am 
seeking a straight answer in one post...a difficult feat, I am sure, but IT 
CAN BE DONE!)


Perry



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:15:00 -0500

I believe you mean to use the word ABSTRUSE instead of OBTUSE do you not, 
Charles? How are you able to MODERATE when you misperceive so regularly?


As to the 'anti-thingy', Charles: I weary, even though I must say mea 
culpa, (1 Cor 2) of you, Dean, Kevin, Judy etc. always writing in the 
'attack mode'.


PS:I don't have a link.


- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:49
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


But you see, lance, it is almost impossible to have a straight 
conversation with you. I ask a quaestion, you answer a different one. That 
is called beign OBTUSE. It does not lead to conversation, and tends to 
make one appear arrogant. All I want to do is get a link to your 
bookstore. And, what is an anti-thingy?




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500

Charles Perry Locke!!

I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.


- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a 
link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I 
say that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is 
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function 
on a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I 
carry lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who 
wouldn't?



- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE



Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE


  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the 
only source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written 
as being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final 
decisions of what should and what should not be included in the holy 
writ.  I tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when 
I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and 
describes her as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb


  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go 
back and refresh .


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one 
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able 
better than

RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Mozel Tov!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:33 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Like this is just us..eh? We in the 'Great White North' , hosers all, salute

you. with our beer and back bacon.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 10:21
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 You are not, therefore, culturally relevant.  iz

 -Original Message-

 PS:I don't have a link.

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[TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES




Thanks for KISS, Perry. Take care lest Dean show up 
a YOUR door. 

It is the 'OTHER THAN' that I'm speaking of, Perry. 
Speaking of STUPID (you were weren't you?), your engagement with the Mormons on 
TT is petulant, pedantic and, lacking any prophetic component 
whatsoever.

As to your choice of 'obtuse' over 'abstruse' the 
last linguist I spoke with said that you are incorrect.

As to 'intelligence', I lay claim to none and, 
continue to prove it with every post.

Lastly, beloved moderator, should you continue to 
choose to carry on your engagement with our Mormon friends, might you at least 
address matters of some substance?

L

RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 10:19:34 AM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


I think we got it resolvedbetter not stir the pot. iz
cd: Chicken? What was the conclusion?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


Yes, welcome back Brother Dean. (Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday Sabbath?) iz
cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 

From: Dave Hansen 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/10/2005 6:32:21 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox



DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have returnedeven if only temporarily



cd:Taking youyour anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a fly-He says:" Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far away".Dean Moore wrote: 




\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.



 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.




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RE: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia









- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 10:18:56 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia

Interesting comments from CSL's stepson - contradicting the voice of scripture which says loving the brethren
is how we know we are "in Him" and His Spirit is in us. The professing church may not be as it should at any 
given time but where else does one go to findbrethren?
cd: Just walk up to your local Street Preacher and say :"Hey bro-can I help?"

Did anyone see "The Hour of Power" this morning? Doug Gresham was on. He made one interesting comment (others, too) -"the closer Jack got to the Lord, the farther he got away from the church." Was "Jack" C.S.'s nickname? soks
 For those not on the SpareOom list, here is what Doug Gresham (Lewis's stepson) had to say about the movie's critics Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:30:30 + From: douglas gresham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1946  Dear All,  Poking my nose around the door very briefly before resuming my ride on the tornado that my life has become of late, to make a couple of observations about our movie.  First, the attacks from the sneering anti-Christian elements of the press are to be expected and indeed welcomed. Expected because there are always those who approach such matters blinded by their own prejudices, those who feel that to tear down something great and glorious makes them bigger, and those whom fame has eluded leaving them only notoriety to pursue. Welcomed for
 they prove that we have stayed close enough to Jack's original book to honour his work and thus provide grist to the mills of the bigoted, the prejudiced and the envious.  Second, whatever those who have never walked the razor's edge may say, we know we have made a spectacularly beautiful and very good movie. We know that what we have produced honours Jack's work and delights both children and adults who are honest in their approach to it. No film is ever perfect, so don't expect perfection. This one though, is very good. So don't worry about what is written by snide hacks who have never made a movie nor written a halfway decent book in their lives, just go and see it and form your own opinion of our work.  I am hurtling off again soon, but will check in occasionally to see what your opinions are, for they are more valuable to me than most.  Blessings all (in haste)
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RE: [TruthTalk] Joybells









- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 9:31:24 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Joybells


Who is it (I believe JD and Blaine) who are constantly telling me to lighten up - or accusing me
of having no joy. Look at this bunch - God's people and I'd say they had some joy .. but it didn't 
help them any. I guess God must not believe in 'once saved, always saved'

"therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge; and their honourable
men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and
opened her mouth without measure; and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he
that rejoiceth, shall descend into it." Isaiah 5:13,14)

cd: Seems they forgot 3 things to abstain fromJudy-1 Jn 2:16 "...the lusts of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life". The same things offered to AE in the garden and to Jesus in the wilderness-and to Mormons today.


 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 [Original Message]
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 12/11/2005 10:21:58 AM
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 You are not, therefore, culturally relevant.  iz
cd: Did he say link or clue?

 -Original Message-

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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

I said the former but meant both, Dean.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 11:58
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

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You are not, therefore, culturally relevant.  iz

cd: Did he say link or clue?

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RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









To let it lie there, I think. 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
10:41 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine
Autumn equinox































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From: ShieldsFamily






To:
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Sent: 12/11/2005 10:19:34 AM 





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









I think we got it resolvedbetter not stir
the pot. iz

cd: Chicken? What was the conclusion?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
8:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine
Autumn equinox































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From: ShieldsFamily






To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









Yes, welcome back Brother Dean.
(Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday
Sabbath?) iz

cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting
of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.











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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
4:57 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine
Autumn equinox



























- Original Message - 





From: Dave Hansen 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 12/10/2005
6:32:21 PM 





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox











DAVEH: Welcome
back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have
returnedeven if only temporarily











cd:Taking youyour
anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a
fly-He says: Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to
see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places
far away.

Dean Moore wrote: 













\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down
artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.











 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one
speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just
another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your
actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how
Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your
church.



















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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

YIKES!!! Ya know I never thunk of THAT!! No wonder income is so small. 
Thanks Dean.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 11:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

[Original Message]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 12/11/2005 9:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Charles Perry Locke!!

I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.

cd: His store must not be open to the public Charles.

- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to post a
 link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I

say

that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is
particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to function

on

a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry
lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?

- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
   - Original Message -
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

   As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the

only

 source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost
 Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as
 being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final

decisions

 of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ.  I
 tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I

moved--if

 I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
 In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and

describes

 her as being very beautiful.
   Blainerb

   In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Blaine do you read the Bible?
 It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go

back

 and refresh .

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make
 headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one
 account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked

Able

 better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

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may

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RE: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES


From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Congrats, Lance, I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT! You ansered my question in 1 post, 
despite all




Thanks for KISS, Perry. Take care lest Dean show up a YOUR door.
Dean probably understands what KISS means, and I do not think I have 
anything to worry about.


It is the 'OTHER THAN' that I'm speaking of, Perry. Speaking of STUPID (you 
were weren't you?), your engagement with the Mormons on TT is petulant, 
pedantic and, lacking any prophetic component whatsoever.


No, I was not speaking of STUPID, I was speaking of KEEP IT SIMPLE. But 
1) you probably would have not gotten my drift if I had typed KIS, and 2) 
it is a very common term that simply means, don't make it any more 
complicated than it has to be. But, since you are seeking ammo against me, 
I would expect you to focus on that one word.




As to your choice of 'obtuse' over 'abstruse' the last linguist I spoke 
with said that you are incorrect.


Twist it any way you want, Lance. My meaning is that you do not answer 
questions directly. Abstruse implies that your responses cannot be 
understood. That is not what I am saying here (althought that, too, is often 
true). And, yes, I am sure you had a conversation with a linguist and 
intimately discussed the comparative uses of abstruse and obtuse.


As to 'intelligence', I lay claim to none and, continue to prove it with 
every post.


You speak down to people on this forum every day, Lance, from a position 
that assumes your intelligence and everyone elses igorance.




Lastly, beloved moderator, should you continue to choose to carry on your 
engagement with our Mormon friends, might you at least address matters of 
some substance?


Lance, as much as I tire of your cynicism, put downs, ad hokminems, and 
evasive responsesl, I would not think of asking you not to post on TT, 
except in the case of the use of ad himinems. So, learn to use your delete 
key and you will not be bothered.


As for my attacks on promoters of mormonism, I have explained that is is not 
the MESSENGER that I am attacking, but the ORIGINATOR of the messages. There 
have been times when I have failed to make the distinction and used 
ad-hominem references, but that certainly is not the rule with my 
anti-mormonism posts.


Finally, when you respond to a post it is courteous to include a clip of the 
item to which you are responding.




L


P


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Re: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HE MODERATES


COURTESY Perry.

Do you actually read what's posted on TT? DEAN for instance, ever read him? 
Kevin for another instance, ever read him? I come off like Mr. Manners 
beside these two. It's the 'ox goring thingy' isn't it. The enemies of your 
enemies (MORMONS) are your friends.


Make all the smart remarks you wish to Perry but, IMO, theological 'arm 
wrestling' is a waste of time. It's your time, Perry. Waste all of it that 
you wish.



- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 12:03
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM 
HE MODERATES




From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Congrats, Lance, I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT! You ansered my question in 1 
post, despite all




Thanks for KISS, Perry. Take care lest Dean show up a YOUR door.
Dean probably understands what KISS means, and I do not think I have 
anything to worry about.


It is the 'OTHER THAN' that I'm speaking of, Perry. Speaking of STUPID 
(you were weren't you?), your engagement with the Mormons on TT is 
petulant, pedantic and, lacking any prophetic component whatsoever.


No, I was not speaking of STUPID, I was speaking of KEEP IT SIMPLE. 
But 1) you probably would have not gotten my drift if I had typed KIS, 
and 2) it is a very common term that simply means, don't make it any more 
complicated than it has to be. But, since you are seeking ammo against 
me, I would expect you to focus on that one word.




As to your choice of 'obtuse' over 'abstruse' the last linguist I spoke 
with said that you are incorrect.


Twist it any way you want, Lance. My meaning is that you do not answer 
questions directly. Abstruse implies that your responses cannot be 
understood. That is not what I am saying here (althought that, too, is 
often true). And, yes, I am sure you had a conversation with a linguist 
and intimately discussed the comparative uses of abstruse and obtuse.


As to 'intelligence', I lay claim to none and, continue to prove it with 
every post.


You speak down to people on this forum every day, Lance, from a position 
that assumes your intelligence and everyone elses igorance.




Lastly, beloved moderator, should you continue to choose to carry on your 
engagement with our Mormon friends, might you at least address matters of 
some substance?


Lance, as much as I tire of your cynicism, put downs, ad hokminems, and 
evasive responsesl, I would not think of asking you not to post on TT, 
except in the case of the use of ad himinems. So, learn to use your delete 
key and you will not be bothered.


As for my attacks on promoters of mormonism, I have explained that is is 
not the MESSENGER that I am attacking, but the ORIGINATOR of the messages. 
There have been times when I have failed to make the distinction and used 
ad-hominem references, but that certainly is not the rule with my 
anti-mormonism posts.


Finally, when you respond to a post it is courteous to include a clip of 
the item to which you are responding.




L


P


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RE: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HEMODERATES









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 10:57:44 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] PERRY DIRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES ATTACKING ON THE FORUM HEMODERATES

Thanks for KISS, Perry. Take care lest Dean show up a YOUR door. 
cd: Yeah as soon as I research the "KISS" word then I can come and shake you hand.

It is the 'OTHER THAN' that I'm speaking of, Perry. Speaking of STUPID (you were weren't you?), your engagement with the Mormons on TT is petulant, pedantic and, lacking any prophetic component whatsoever.

As to your choice of 'obtuse' over 'abstruse' the last linguist I spoke with said that you are incorrect.
cd: The linguist must also be Canadian.

As to 'intelligence', I lay claim to none and, continue to prove it with every post.
cd: And who said you had no discernment?

Lastly, beloved moderator, should you continue to choose to carry on your engagement with our Mormon friends, might you at least address matters of some substance?
cd: How when there is no substance to Mormonism?

L

RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/11/2005 12:00:57 PM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


To let it lie there, I think. 

cd: But a pot of chile smells better when stirred-it releases wonder aroma into the air for all to enjoy.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:41 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 10:19:34 AM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


I think we got it resolvedbetter not stir the pot. iz
cd: Chicken? What was the conclusion?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/11/2005 8:43:36 AM 

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox


Yes, welcome back Brother Dean. (Where were you when I was getting all beat up for loving the Saturday Sabbath?) iz
cd: Thanks izzy. Care to send me a posting of this subject and I will be happy to take it up-with the rational minded.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox









- Original Message - 

From: Dave Hansen 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 12/10/2005 6:32:21 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox



DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad you have returnedeven if only temporarily



cd:Taking youyour anti-Christ bias in consideration I view your welcome as a spider speaking to a fly-He says:" Welcome to mydwelling placemy friend ,nice to see you, come closer and sit by me and we will speak of older times and places far away".Dean Moore wrote: 




\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.



 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.




-- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 12/11/2005 12:01:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 YIKES!!! Ya know I never thunk of THAT!! No wonder income is so small. 
 Thanks Dean.
cd: Just write All Canadians Welcome  on a sign and hang it on the door
while keeping silent-and your income will increase.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 11, 2005 11:56
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 12/11/2005 9:44:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  Charles Perry Locke!!

  I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.
  cd: His store must not be open to the public Charles.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

   Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to
post a
   link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
  Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

  We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I
  say
  that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is
  particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to
function
  on
  a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I
carry
  lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?

  - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
  Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

  I SELL this book. It's excellent!
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the
  only
   source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost
   Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written
as
   being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final
  decisions
   of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ. 
I
   tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I
  moved--if
   I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
   In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and
  describes
   her as being very beautiful.
 Blainerb

 In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard
Time,
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Blaine do you read the Bible?
   It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go
  back
   and refresh .

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't
make
   headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one
   account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked
  Able
   better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
  may
  know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

'Silence' being the operative word, right? Well, of course, Lance. Do 
remember that the moderator. his own self, just issued a pronouncement as to 
your 'obtusiosity' or was it 'abstrusiosity'. Oh well, as Arch used to 
say,...whatever.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 12:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

[Original Message]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 12/11/2005 12:01:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

YIKES!!! Ya know I never thunk of THAT!! No wonder income is so small.
Thanks Dean.

cd: Just write All Canadians Welcome  on a sign and hang it on the door
while keeping silent-and your income will increase.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 11, 2005 11:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 12/11/2005 9:44:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 Charles Perry Locke!!

 I KNEW what you were asking!  Let go this anti-thingy Charles.
 cd: His store must not be open to the public Charles.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  Lance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to

post a

  link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500

 We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I
 say
 that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is
 particularly true concerning those who believe other texts to

function

 on
 a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I

carry

 lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?

 - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

 Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your 
 wares.

 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

 I SELL this book. It's excellent!
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the
 only
  source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled 
  Lost

  Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written

as

  being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final
 decisions
  of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ.

I

  tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I
 moved--if
  I find it I will give you chapter and verse.
  In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and
 describes
  her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard

Time,

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Blaine do you read the Bible?
  It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go
 back
  and refresh .

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't

make

  headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one
  account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked
 Able
  better than Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

 --
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 may
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:08:33 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:42:37 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How do you know he had never heard the preaching of the cross of Christ? He just didn't have the Law the way that the Jews did.The point of Romans 2 is the contrast between the have's and the have not's. The Gentiles are those who outside God's revelation and the Jews are those who are in. Paul begins with this scenario. Now I know that this is no longer true - but Paul is using this very distinction to teach that in Christ's economy, the distinction between Jew and Gentile is no longer important.T
he Gentile - typically speaking - is not God's chosen while the Jewis -- typically speaking . Using this stereotype, Paul makes the point that is most shocking to the Jewish Christian in Rome.. hearing is notthe most important issue doing is. The contrast of hearing and doing is unmistakable in 2:13-14. Hence, the Gentile has not heard the law.

As far as unregenerated man not being able to do good -- why did Jonahgoto Nineveh?

He would have to be regenerated to 'DO BY NATURE' what is written in God's Law. Love is the
fulfillment of the law and the unregenerated gentile would be unable to do this. Paul was speaking to the Churchat Rome wasn't he?Not in Romans 2. He was addressing the Judaizing legalists of the Roman church in chapters 2, 3, 4.

And , as often as not, he fails in this doing , by the way.If the phrase "by nature" means to include the indwelling of the Spirit, then the Jew in this passage DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT, for he is clearly NOT doing the law "by nature." Your theology of Ro 2 has the Jew , in this passage lost and without the Spirit. But, of course, you do not believe that a nd so away you go.

My so called theology is not judging any Jew one way or the other.I am not talking about judging the Jew, Judy. I am talking about your theology. First, you imply that "by nature" means the new nature, but then,in this passage only the Gentile has this "nature" thing going for him which means that the Jew does not. Paul is making a contrast between what is done "by nature" and what is not. You simply cannot sneak the Holy Spirit into any of this without serious contextual problems -- one of which I have mentioned. "By nature" simply cannot mean to include the "new nature."

I assume a believing Jew would do the same
thing but having access to God'slaw helps me so I figure it would also help them.Why would the Judaizers be coming
to the Church at Rome on Sunday- they would be going to the Synagogue wouldn't they?

And your out of context I Co 2:14 is really getting old. So unregenerated man cannot receive the things of God unless he is given the Holy Spirit of God -- right?

RIGHT!! This is what Paul is teaching here and it would make things a whole lot easier for you if you accepted the fact.

There are those who have the Spirit and are thereby regenerated and those who do not and are unregenerated. And the unregenerated cannot receive the things of God - nothing from God for all that God lays on us is spiritual -- right

RIGHT.
1. God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
2. The Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty (2 Cor 3:17)
3.Mankind are spirit beings (Zech 12:1)
4. The Law is spiritual (Rom 7:14)

And this would include the Corinthians -- right?? I mean , the text says ".and even now, you are still not able" (I Co 3:2).So, why is he writing to them if they are not able to understand what he is saying? And how did they come to a knowledge of the truth in the first place ? And on what occasion do you KNOW that you are right and cannot be wrong, Judy y? How many times have you read the text, layed it down and said to yourself," I have no need to read this again for I know that I know ," Could you give me an example of a fewspecific scriptures that you understand to the point of never having to review those scriptures
for "truth's" sake? Maybe just four or five scriptures.

No JD, I couldn't give you anything because you and your theologians already KNOW IT ALL.

And how many of these questions will you now ignore?

If I had been sensible enough to read through the whole thing first I wouldn't have answered any of them
because you are not sincerely wanting to know anything from me - you are just bloviating here and your mind
is already made up.

Its called "gatcha."

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours.
- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how
dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.From: Judy Taylor Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we
would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd reallybe in trouble then ...On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32
-0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or
"Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that
people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??


Christ has paid the price for all of mankind. Some will accept and others will not. But redemption for all in Christ has already occurred -- the shedding of His blood (Eph 1:7) is for all. What God in Christ desired to dofor the world (John 3:16) He accomplished. 

jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:22:49 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??



He paid the price for all of them - but they won't all come. Read your Bible JD.
It is those who not only come - but those who endure to the end who are saved.
Also it's good to be red hot for the Lord because He spews the lukewarm out.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



God hasn't redeemed the whole world . ?? !-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:59:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??





Where was the Word during the dark ages? (even thoughthere were some Anabaptists and Waldenses and some now deny that there ever were what was called the dark ages)? God hasn't redeemed the whole world (unless you are Lance and believe that everyone was assumed up into Him) and the NT still says that a friend of the world is God's enemy. Yes Jesus did love and accept the prostitute - but even she and allthe onesHe ministered towere only the ones the Father sent Him, He did not run about willy nilly embracing everythingand everyone and callingthem redeemed. It's those who do the will of the Father who make it and we stillneed to walk circumspectly - The faith we walk in is our own conviction and 
happy is he who does not condemn himselfby what he approves (Rom 14:22). 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:56:10 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I don't want to be the kind of person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of Things. I don't want to spend my life fighting against everything. I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I don't want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus didn't reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didn't reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world. We who dwell in that Secret Kingdom are now the counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the "things of the world" on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether it 
be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why can't we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor

I don't see His parables as every day stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that

he spoke in parables so that some would not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular

run of the mill person out there (see Matt 13:34-43)



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I use the word secular to denote "everyday stuff" vs. "religious stuff". 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor

Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" Iz

Wasn't He born under the Law into a theocracy? 



On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jesus used the secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??



In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through

secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??

Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 


 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)


 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your 
teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the 
similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 
'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, 
  Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' 
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple 
of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The 
other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a 
couple of hours. 

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the 
  Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You 
may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. 
It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular 
to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their 
neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance 
  then you need to be weeping between the porch and 
  the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that 
  if the US goes down - Canada will be left 
  standing??
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. 
You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 
'tabs', as you put it.



From: 
Judy Taylor 


  
  
  
  Sure glad you are 
  keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what 
  we 
  
  
  would 
  do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in 
  trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular 
  republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
  means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling 
  the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  
  many more to come).  - Original Message 
  -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus 
  getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems 
  that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It 
  is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as 
  Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  
  "Holiday   
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
   salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or 
  "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as 
  to   run the Salvation army off it's property. 
  No buckets or bell  ringers   there 
  anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and

RE: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia

Dead wrote: cd: Just walk up to your local Street Preacher and say :"Hey bro-can I help?"LOL and AMEN Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/11/2005 10:18:56 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on NarniaInteresting comments from CSL's stepson - contradicting the voice of scripture which says loving the brethren is how we know we are "in Him" and His Spirit is in us. The professing church may not be as it should at any given time but where else does one go to findbrethren?
cd: Just walk up to your local Street Preacher and say :"Hey bro-can I help?"Did anyone see "The Hour of Power" this morning? Doug Gresham was on. He made one interesting comment (others, too) -"the closer Jack got to the Lord, the farther he got away from the church." Was "Jack" C.S.'s nickname? soks For those not on the SpareOom list, here is what Doug Gresham (Lewis's stepson) had to say about the movie's critics Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:30:30 + From: douglas gresham Subject: Re: Digest Number 1946 Dear All, Poking my nose around the door very briefly before resuming my ride on
the tornado that my life has become of late, to make a couple of observations about our movie. First, the attacks from the sneering anti-Christian elements of the press are to be expected and indeed welcomed. Expected because there are always those who approach such matters blinded by their own prejudices, those who feel that to tear down something great and glorious makes them bigger, and those whom fame has eluded leaving them only notoriety to pursue. Welcomed for they prove that we have stayed close enough to Jack's original book to honour his work and thus provide grist to the mills of the bigoted, the prejudiced and the envious. Second, whatever those who have never walked the razor's edge may say, we know we have made a spectacularly beautiful and very good movie. We know that what we have produced honours Jack's
work and delights both children and adults who are honest in their approach to it. No film is ever perfect, so don't expect perfection. This one though, is very good. So don't worry about what is written by snide hacks who have never made a movie nor written a halfway decent book in their lives, just go and see it and form your own opinion of our work. I am hurtling off again soon, but will check in occasionally to see what your opinions are, for they are more valuable to me than most. Blessings all (in haste)Doug (G). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healinghttp://us.click.yahoo.com/B6T8nB/Vp3LAA/EcBKAA/GuTslB/TM~-
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military
strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote: Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things,
and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original
Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on
TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are
Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism
militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO
obviously).

- Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays,
seasons greetings, X-mas

No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your
teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the
similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a
'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

Original Message -

From:
Christine
Miller
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
December 11, 2005 13:45
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is
Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined'
on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last
couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly
gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us
chatted for a couple of hours.

-
Original Message -
From:
Christine Miller
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
December 10, 2005 20:23
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of
the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to
go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited
our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly
that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country
is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are
sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world
(including their neighbour)

- Original Message -

From:
Judy Taylor
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance wrote: their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of Christianity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhismmilitant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously). - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam.
She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical
religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons
greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly
gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the
Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Obviously..

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  'People get passionate
about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally
your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to
radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where
their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Hey!! If I hate enough people and know less than the students, can I
be a teecher too?
Sounds like one screwed up cookie, not necessarily an Oreo.
Terry


Christine Miller wrote:

  No, I have not read Bernard Lewis.
  
Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a
progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't
take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political
leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from
Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our
discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam.
She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several
Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. 
  
The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and
it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is
to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the
oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for
irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is
evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better
than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies
terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not
irrational. 
  
Lance wrote:
  Do you see the similarities between a
'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything
else?
  
I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes.
I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I
believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm
Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested
in truth or righteousness.
  
But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you
are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a
murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the
World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran
does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the
dangerousness of the Koran.
  
People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is
channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on
Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed?
Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim
and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

 Original Message - 

  From:
  Christine
Miller 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 11, 2005 13:45
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?
  
I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being
'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets'
in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional
but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a
group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

  -
Original Message - 
  From:
  Christine Miller 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 10, 2005 20:23
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Lance, I didn't know you believed in the
gifts of the Spirit.
  
(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  




I actually do, Judy. A
prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said
exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your
country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks
are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world
(including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From:
  Judy Taylor 
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Cc:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  Sent:
December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
   
  


From: [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Military Surplus and Government Surplus Auctions at Government Liquidation]






If anyone is trying to think of what to get me for a Christmas/Qwanza/
winter break gift, I would like the railroad car, the crane, and the
x-ray machine.
Terry




http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html




Military Surplus and Government Surplus Auctions at Government Liquidation.url
Description: Binary data

[TruthTalk] CHRISTINE CLAIMS THAT I HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIANITY

Why is that, Christine? Would it be due my
believing that signs, t-shirts, and a variety of antics directed AT those one
wishes to 'reach' with the love of Christ is somehow contradictory? Your
recently expressed sentiments vis a vis feminists left me feeling sad; for you
mostly. There is a contingent on TT, including our very own moderator, who bring
dialogue to a level so low that...well...it's even lower than Lance's dialogue.
NOW THAT'S LOW!

Please take note that you didn't suggest that my
UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIANITY was, skewed, lacking, heretical,etc. ..You
said that because of my remarks that i have NO understanding of Christianity. Is
this an opinion, an inspired word for me, or just a bit of anger 'cause 'Dad'
was included?

- Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: December 11, 2005 15:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays,
seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance wrote:their 'faith
_expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of
Christianity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

'People get passionate about..traditions' Even
on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons
who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism
militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.
(IMO obviously).

-
Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
December 11, 2005 14:16
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was
your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see
the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a
'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

Original Message -

From:
Christine Miller
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
December 11, 2005 13:45
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is
Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined'
on?

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









Yeah, those radical/fundamentalist
Liberals are Dangerous!!! iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
12:53 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No/yes











Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a
Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities
between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist'
anything else?











 Original Message - 







From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 11, 2005
13:45





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?

I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I do, Christine.











Which courses are you being 'examined' on?











PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years.
Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the
store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
20:23





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

















If you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??



















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.









From: Judy Taylor










Sure glad you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 







would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really









be in trouble then ...









On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Military Surplus and Government Surplus Auctions at Government Liquidation]





DAVEH: OK Terry...I'll just scratch the leather jacket off the
list I was making for you.

Terry Clifton wrote:

  
  
  
If anyone is trying to think of what to get me for a Christmas/Qwanza/
winter break gift, I would like the railroad car, the crane, and the
x-ray machine.
Terry
  
  
  
  
http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html


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Re: [TruthTalk] : Doug Gresham Comments on Narnia





DAVEH: Hey Dean, I think your comment was truncated. Perhaps you
should have said.

"Hey bro-can I help you
find your way out of town?"

...What better service could a Christian provide
for one who has lost his way!?!?!?!? 
:-D 

Dean Moore wrote:


  
cd: Just walk up to your
local Street Preacher and say :"Hey bro-can I help?"
























  

  
  


  
  
  

  



























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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Uh, I think that's UF. FSU is in Tallahassee.

ShieldsFamily wrote:

  
  

  

  
  
  
  Those are
some tough tongues youre
taking at FSU, Christine! 
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christine Miller
  Sent: Sunday, December
11, 2005
12:45 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues,
Lance?
  
I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 
  
  Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I do, Christine.
  
  
  
  
  
  Which courses are you
being 'examined' on?
  
  
  
  
  
  PS:I've met three
'prophets' in the last couple of years.
Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other
was in the
store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of
hours. 
  
  

- Original Message
- 


From: Christine
Miller 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org



Sent: December 10, 2005
20:23


Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Lance, I didn't know you believed in the
gifts of the Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 

I
actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised
to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the
other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the
rest of
the world (including their neighbour)





- Original Message - 


  
  From: Judy
Taylor
  
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  
  
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41
  
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  If
you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and
the
  
  
  altar
for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US
goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??
  
  
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy.
You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.




From: Judy
Taylor




  
  Sure glad
you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 
  
  
  
  would do if we didn't
have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really
  
  
  
  
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005
08:40:32 -0500 "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned
stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some
stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be
found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart,
Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start
advertising 
 "Holiday
  
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings".
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell
  
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores
are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned
  
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye
before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas
  
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services
"So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families". That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you
do not 
 love

[TruthTalk] Discussions of Substance





might you at least
address matters of some substance?

cd: How when there is no substance to Mormonism?

DAVEH: I find your above comment rather interesting, Dean. From what
you said previously (below), I was under the impression that you would
not want to discuss anything with me due to you not wanting to know
any more about what I believe. Perhaps there is more to substance
to my beliefs than you can handle, Dean.ever consider that
possibility???

 I doubt it. Though I appreciate your declared concern for my
eternal welfare, it does seem to me you are quite satisfied to consign
my soul to hell than to continue discussions of substance.

cd: I cannot trust any answer you give-why
because you are full ofIT:-) I really don't want to know any more
of
your twisted religion with half -truths and complete lies while chasing
you in circles to try and help prevent your miserable soul from hell-You
want to goto hellDave well go to hell. Our discussions are finished.

...

Dean Moore wrote:

  
  
  
  

Lastly, beloved moderator, should
you continue to choose to carry on your engagement with our Mormon
friends, might you at least address matters of some substance?
cd: How when there is no substance to
Mormonism?

L



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Do they come in camo? I could get by without the x-ray.

Dave Hansen wrote:

  
DAVEH: OK Terry...I'll just scratch the leather jacket off the
list I was making for you.
  
Terry Clifton wrote:
  



If anyone is trying to think of what to get me for a Christmas/Qwanza/
winter break gift, I would like the railroad car, the crane, and the
x-ray machine.
Terry




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DAVEH: For an additional $5.95, I can include a rattle can of camo
paint in the package when I ship it..  :-) 

Terry Clifton wrote:

  
  
Do they come in camo? I could get by without the x-ray.
  
Dave Hansen wrote:
  

DAVEH: OK Terry...I'll just scratch the leather jacket off the
list I was making for you.

Terry Clifton wrote:

  
  
  
If anyone is trying to think of what to get me for a Christmas/Qwanza/
winter break gift, I would like the railroad car, the crane, and the
x-ray machine.
Terry
  
  
  
  
http://www.govliquidation.com/index.html

  
  


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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-11 Thread Blainerb473






The Book of Mormon was translated to English from a set of gold plates by 
Joseph Smith Jr. The plateswere an abridgement of more 
extensive records by a Nephite named Mormon,and his son, 
Moroni. 


In a message dated 12/10/2005 9:19:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  who are its 
  authors?
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:49:39 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

.. The Book of Mormon is the word of 
  God

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

2005-12-11 Thread Blainerb473






My mistake, not President Lee's.

In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:18:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blainerb wrotez:President Lee is referring to the one star 
  in the Big Dipper constellation called the North 
  Star.Actually, Blaine, the north star is at the tip of the tail of 
  ursa minor...the little dipper. And men live on the 
moon.

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









Oh, sorry!











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
3:59 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Uh, I think that's UF. FSU is in Tallahassee.

ShieldsFamily wrote: 

Those
are some tough tongues youre taking at FSU, Christine! 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Christine Miller
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005
12:45 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?

I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. 

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



I do, Christine.











Which courses are you being 'examined' on?











PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of
years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was
in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of
hours. 







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December
10, 2005 20:23





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the
Spirit.

(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada.
It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to
know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December
10, 2005 14:41





Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

















If you really believe what
you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US
goes down - Canada
will be left standing??



















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.









From: Judy Taylor










Sure glad you are keeping up
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 







would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really









be in trouble then ...









On Sat, 10 Dec 2005
08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

If you LDS are so into "Representations" Why is it impossible to find a cross at the temple? Could it be that the guy with all those other symbols does not like to share his Real estate?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Good picture of part of the recently completed Nauvoo Illinois Temple, Kevin. But the star on the wall of the Temple represents the North Star, which represents Jesus Christ. Kevin you need to remove the beam from youreye and then the LDS eye will appear perfectly clear. Blainerb
In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:42:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Looks like the LDS have actually suceeded in ressurecting the old Canaanite BAAL Worship! Notice Antons Satanic STAR on the temple below!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: temple stone! Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.There are seven stars in the sign or constellation
of the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood of God the lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251 Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to
all the host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12 Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the heavens? Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the
winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22) Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of atonement" ( the day of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of the 24-hour Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the day. The morning sacrifice appears to have represented Jesus Christ,
who would come in the meridian of time, and the afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did "more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it" (DC 135:3). Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the round-faced image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun have a face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun the same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun worship"? "Graven Images"?"When the suun is in the seventh house...and Ju-pi-ter aligns with
Mars.Pce will guide the pla-a-nuts, and lve will guide the stars, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of aguarius...aquris...aquriiiuuus".Gee, that was fun. I haven't sung that since Pluto was in the doghouse.Blaine, can you explain what the age of aquarius is, if we are now in the age of aquarius, and how that squares with your mormon beliefs, or how it does not?Do you believe Nostradamus to be an authentic prognosticator of the future? What evidence do you have of the truth of his prophecies?Thanks,Perry

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Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting evil

Exactly they bought into the counterfeit. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:... Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.North Star, which represents Jesus Christ. What does the CROSS "REPRESENT" Blaine?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Kevin how does this star compare to the one mentioned in Isaiah 14:12? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/11/2005 8:31:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Restoration - BAAL Worship/ Kevin projecting
evilSo the North star points DOWN and looks just like the SATANIC star What a coincidence![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Good picture of part of the recently completed Nauvoo Illinois Temple, Kevin. But the star on the wall of the Temple represents the North Star, which represents Jesus Christ. Kevin you need to remove the beam from youreye and then the LDS eye will appear perfectly clear. Blainerb In a message dated 12/9/2005
8:42:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Looks like the LDS have actually suceeded in ressurecting the old Canaanite BAAL Worship! Notice Antons Satanic STAR on the temple below!Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: temple stone! Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood of God the
lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251 Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the
chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12 Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the heavens? Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark
world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22) Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of atonement" ( the day of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice two lambs every day: one in the morning and one in the afternoon (Num. 28:3-8). Because the Hebrew day begins about sunset, the morning sacrifice was near the meridian of the 24-ho ur Hebrew day, and the afternoon sacrifice was near the end of the day. The morning sacrifice appears to have represented Jesus Christ, who would come in the meridian of time, and the afternoon lamb might well have symbolized the Prophet Joseph Smith, who came in the latter days and did "more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it" (DC 135:3). Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the round-faced image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun have a face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun the same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun worship"? "Graven Images"?"When the suun is in the seventh house...and Ju-pi-ter aligns with Mars.Pce will guide the pla-a-nuts, and lve will guide the stars, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

  cd: Such as "depending on how tight the leather is"-and other sexual references-just showing your heart that is coming out of your mouth-the same as your prophet-defiled.James 1:5 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message -   From:   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 12/10/2005 10:23:35 PM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox   In a message dated 12/10/2005 7:49:35 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad. cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.For
 instance???  Blainerb  cd: Such as "depending on how tight the leather is"-and other sexual references-just showing your heart that is coming out of your mouth-the same as your prophet-defiled.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

For all those that want to know about the BOOKSTORELance sends his kindest regards and wants you to know the answer is; his car is BLUE!  Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  But you see, lance, it is almost impossible to have a straight conversation with you. I ask a quaestion, you answer a different one. That is called beign OBTUSE. It does not lead to conversation, and tends to make one appear arrogant. All I want to do is get a link to your bookstore. And, what is an "anti-thingy"?From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AEDate: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:47 -0500Charles Perry Locke!!I
 KNEW what you were asking! Let go this anti-thingy Charles.- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 11, 2005 09:35Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AELance, I was not asking for recommendations, just asking you to "post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares."From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AEDate: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:11:38 -0500We'd best be certain that we're speaking of the same book(s). When I say that it (the book) is excellent, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT! This is particularly true concerning
 those who believe other texts to function on a par with Scripture. I apologize if I mislead anyone on this. I carry lots of material that I'd not recommend to everyone. Who wouldn't?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 11, 2005 00:25Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AELance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AEDate: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04
 -0500I SELL this book. It's excellent! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if
 I find it I will give you chapter and verse. In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her as being very beautiful. Blainerb In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine do you read the Bible? It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back and refresh . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better
 than Cain--until Able was "removed," at least.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you
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 answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

IMO it is you that hates your Caricatured Fundamentalists! If there is hate in you there is no room for God.I do not hate anybody for your information. Apparently you are very confused thin skinned.Could you draw us a list of all the similarities between Bin Laden and the early 20th century Baptist presbyterian Fundamentalist preachers?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO
obviously).- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry
Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you
see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays,
seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing?? From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

BINGO!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Lance wrote:their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred.Then you have no understanding of Christianity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-masNo, I have not read Bernard Lewis.Yes, my teacher calls herself a practicing Muslim, but she is a progressive Muslim, which are typically non-Arabic Muslims that don't take the Koran seriously and are vry Left in their political leanings. She is a crusading feminist. She converted to Islam from Christianity. She is African-American and born in the US. From our discussions in class, she has almost no knowledge of traditional Islam. She could answer almost no questions. Fortunately, there were several Muslims in the class that could answer any inqueries. The issue of terrorism was only addressed on the last day of class, and it was not pretty. She is racist against the Jews, believes Israel is to be blamed for our troubles, and believes we are only in Iraq for the oil. She made it very clear that the terrorists do not hate America for irrational reasons, they hate America because we are
Evil. Israel is evil. Our military strength is evil. Not that any culture is any better than another culture, of course. If we changed our foreign policies terrorism threats would cease. Because the terrorists are rational. Not irrational. Lance wrote:Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?I see a difference between lukewarm religion and radical religion, yes. I call myself a radical Christian, full of passion for Jesus Christ. I believe that there are lukewarm Muslims just like there are lukewarm Christians, who practice their religion shrugingly, not too interested in truth or righteousness.But the catch is this: darkness is darkness. If you follow Allah, you are fighting for an untruth. And passion without holiness or light is a murderous force. Any passion that is not focused on the Light of the World will end in murder. Man is full of evil
things, and the Koran does not provide the answer to all of the evil in Man. That is the dangerousness of the Koran.People get passionate about its traditions, but their passion is channeled into hate and selfishness. That is the fruit of the Koran.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No/yesHave you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else? Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masDo you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial
Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do, Christine.Which courses are you being 'examined' on?PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masLance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down,
one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most
yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.
From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

In your Opinion do such statements border on Libel?Lance Muir wrote: 'People get passionate about..traditions' Even on TT I noticed. Kevin, Dean and occasionally your Dad strike me as persons who are Christian counterparts to radicals that'd be found in Islam, Sikhism  militant Zionism where their 'faith _expression_' borders on hatred. (IMO obviously).  
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Else how could joe have moved them According to Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon was engraven on plates which had the appearance of gold, each plate was six inches wide and eight inches long and not quite so thick as common tin The volume was something near six inches in thickness(Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, v3:9, March 1, 1842, 707.) They have been figured to be around 200lbs if gold.A block of solid tin measuring 7 x 8 x 6 inches, or 288 cubic inches, would weigh 74.67 pounds. If one allows for a 30 percent reduction due to the unevenness and space between the plates, the package would then weigh 52.27 pounds. Using the same calculations, plates of gold weigh 140.50 pounds; copper, 64.71 pounds; a mixture of gold and copper, between 65 and 140 pounds. (Vogel, The Making of a Prophet, 600) The plates were
secreted about three miles from home... Joseph, on coming to them, took them from their secret place, and, wrapping them in his linen frock, placed them under his arm and started for home. After proceeding a short distance, he thought it would be more safe to leave the road and go through the woods. Traveling some distance after he left the road, he came to a large windfall, and as he was jumping over a log, a man sprang up from behind it, and gave him a heavy blow with a gun. Joseph turned around and knocked him down, then ran at the top of his speed. About half a mile further he was attacked again in the same manner as before; he knocked this man down in like manner as the former, and ran on again; and before he reached home he was assaulted the third time. In striking the last one he dislocated his thumb, which, however, he did not notice until he came within sight of the house,
when he threw himself down in the corner of the fence in order to recover his breath. As soon as he was able, he arose and came to the house. He was still altogether speechless from fright and the fatigue of running (Lucy's Book, pp.385-386, Biographical Sketches, by Lucy Smith, pp.104-105).Amazing strength Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gold platesDAVEH: I might add that it is my understanding that they had the appearance of gold. Whether or not the content was actually 100% gold is
something that is debatable.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Book of Mormon was translated to English from a set of gold plates by Joseph Smith Jr. The plateswere an abridgement of more extensive records by a Nephite named Mormon,and his son, Moroni. In a message dated 12/10/2005 9:19:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
who are its authors?On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:49:39 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. The Book of Mormon is the word of God -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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[TruthTalk] Cross





What does the CROSS "REPRESENT"

DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with
Blaine, Kevin. This topic is of particular interest to me, as I've
seen quite a few crosses at the sides of highways I travel. Quite
often, they indicate places where people have died, or in the case of
cemeteries.where they are buried... 




..In the past couple thousand years, many Christians have
idolized the cross to depict the death of Jesus.



...which to me seems rather bizarre to meif not macabre. Some
Christians have taken to wearing jewelery, and displaying crosses in
their abodes and places of worship.



.As I see it, those crosses depict the cruel tool used
to bring not only much pain and suffering to our beloved Savior, but
also the device that was used by God's enemies to kill our Lord. This
inhumane instrument was designed not only to kill God's children, but
at the same time to punitively torture them in a humiliating and
degrading way. It always amazes me that some Christians would have
such an affinity to such a devilish device that brings pain, suffering
and death to the minds of many who see it, and especially to those who
were victims of it.

 I'm curious as to how you would feel about something similar,
Kevin. I don't know if you have any children, but for the sake of this
discussion let's assume you do. If your enemy were to maliciously use
a knife to torture your daughter for a couple days to the point that
the wounds killed her, would you be predisposed to wear a piece of
jewelry on a chain around your neck in the form of a knife to remind
you of what the guy did to your daughter? And, how would you feel if
you drove by a gun  knife store, and saw a sign depicting knives
that looked similar to the one that killed your daughter..Would it
bring back fond memories?

 LDS folks appreciate the dying sacrifice of our Lord in our
behalf. But we don't glorify the tool that killed him. It sickens me
to think of man's inhumanity that would bring such pain, suffering and
death to one who did not deserve it.  Nor do we idolize the cross as
do so many others. Rather, we prefer to remember his sacrifice and
glorify his Father---not the cross--- for the resurrection of his Son.

 FWIW.We have a large Christian church near us that a few years
ago put 3 large prominent crosses on their building that are lit up at
night with blue lights that are very noticeable to the cars passing by
on the freeway

http://www.rollinghills.org/about_us/campus/index.cfm

.This picture really doesn't show them very well compared to
the cars on the freeway, as it is taken from the wrong angle and at
quite a distance. I have sometimes wondered if Jesus were to travel
that road, what would he think if he were to pass such an edifice that
memorializes his death in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he
would wince at such a sight.  And..It bothers me to think that
some would pain him in such a callous way.


Kevin Deegan wrote:

  Exactly they bought into the counterfeit.
  How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I
will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars
of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the
sides of the north:...
  Yet thou shalt be brought down to
hell, to the sides of the pit.
  
  North Star,
which represents Jesus Christ. 
  
  
  What does the CROSS "REPRESENT" Blaine?
  
  


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I am changing my email address to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please reroute my mail to this address asap. 

The aol address will be good for a while. 

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Ooo, you betcha !!! And there are a lotof these little headhunters still running around !!

-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:56:37 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



All those early 20th centuryBaptist  Presbyterian Fundamentalist preachers are just like BIN Laden EH?
So similar it is Stunning,
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No/yes

Have you read Bernard Lewis on Islam? Was your teacher a Muslim? Was the issue of terrorism addressed? Do you see the similarities between a 'radical/fundamentalist' Muslim and a 'radical/fundamentalist' anything else?

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From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 11, 2005 13:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Do you speak/believe in the gift of tongues, Lance?I've taken Calculus and Financial Accounting. Next up is Islam. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I do, Christine.

Which courses are you being 'examined' on?

PS:I've met three 'prophets' in the last couple of years. Two of them are socially dysfunctional but, highly gifted. The other was in the store a week or two back and a group of us chatted for a couple of hours. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 20:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

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From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



From: Judy Taylor 




Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers 
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
  Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how

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