from:"Blainerb473"






Er, uh no, as a matter of fact, I was wondering why you were passing 
judgement on poor ol' Dylan? :) Maybe you are wrong about the 
poor fella. He might have his faults, but don't we all? 
Blaine

In a message dated 1/8/2006 3:11:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Judge not according to the appearance, but 
  judge righteous judgment"
   Jesus the Christ (John 
  7:24)
  
  Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
  the finger at others is righteous?
  
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:32:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
  more concerned about being him on that day.

Re: [TruthTalk] Kevin Deegan??






Thanks--that answers my question, but raises some also-- :)
Blaine

In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:22:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  cd: Kevin is still around but 
  got tired of the insults and doesn't contribute much.Shame as he had a lot to 
  offer.
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/8/2006 12:48:08 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Kevin 
Deegan??

I guess I missed something--whatever happened to Deegan, my ol' 
sparring buddy? I got really far behind, so instead of reading a lot 
of the posts, I deleted like crazy--probably did not answer some posts as 
well as missing out on what happened to him.
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)






Blainerb: The Lord'swords never cease--he is 
the same yesterday, today and forever. Look in your Bible. The 
words of the Lord never ceased, except to fulfill the prophecy of Amos 
8:11
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord 
God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst 
for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord."

This happened during the dark ages, when even the written word 
was in a dead language--Latin--and the only prophecies heard were those made by 
astrologers and the like--from uninspired lips. But as the scriptures were 
translated into native languages and were printed for the masses, the famine 
began to come to an end. 

But when more of the word of the Lord than whathad been 
theretofore printed came to light, the preachers of the day rejected 
it--"A Bible, A Bible, we have a Bible and we need 
no more Bible," they said, and they continue to say it 
today. They say it for gain. The Lord's 
work, which like his word never ceases, does not pay well if the clergy are 
laymen, which they are in the Lord's church, and which they were in the original 
church. They went out without purse or script--no money, no big 
salaries.You are a deceived people. You are 
deceived by your ministers, who preach for gain. 


In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:07:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  cd: Certainly not greater than what Christ has given- from the mouth of 
  another?
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/7/2006 6:10:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)


Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day 
taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the 
same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability 
to give forth "greater revelation."

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Judy, I've got a question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers 
  at Blaine and say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
righteous?

Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not 
Judy: NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than 
good--that is the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous 
preachers of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt 
Lake City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent behavior 
of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS Church on the Plaza 
issue, mainly because of the SPs.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:29:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine are you saying that Dylan's pointing 
  the finger at others is 
righteous?

No. I was saying your doing that was, ahem, a little suspect, is 
all.
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)






Blainerb: The decision to allow Blacks the PH 
was made afterweeks and evenmonths of agonizing prayer and 
discussion, which prayer and discussion followed the great success Mormon 
missionaries were having in Africa. The decision was made solely on the 
basis of desire to include worthy Black malesfrom that continent in the 
on-going work of the Lord--mostly missionary work, but other aspects as 
well. The Mormon Priesthood has always been a lay priesthood, and it was 
necessary to get those Blacks busy taking care of their own, rather than having 
White men exercisingdominion over them.

In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:51:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine: I have an audio tape, surreptitiously obtained, of the 
  thenprophet (1978)describing the 'revelation' (political decision) 
  to permit non-whites into the priesthood.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 07, 2006 18:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)


Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day 
taught doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the 
same today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability 
to give forth "greater revelation." 
If the ministers of Protestant 
religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am 
thinking one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to 
empower the Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful 
civilizationthat hasbeen built upover the past two 
hundred years called the US of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are 
descendants of the Aztecs, who by the way worshipped 
Quetzalquatl,who was described as being aWhite God who wore a 
white robe and a beard, just keep coming over the border, don't they? 
Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained in 3 Nephi of the 
BoM creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every day. I hope when 
it happens, the "Remnant"will by then have recognized the LDS Church 
as something other than a "White Guy's" church. 
There is already evidence this is 
true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, 
which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another 
term which simply means "White brother."The 
latterisusually applied to members of the LDS 
Church. 
I spent three years teaching Dine' 
(Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have 
adopted the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved 
hand--except the fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red 
man's fingers to show through at the end of the glove, apparently 
symbolizing the Red Power Movement that has grown from the Black Power 
Movement.
You Protestant cowboysmight do 
well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon 
come when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become 
a nightmarish reality .. 
  .

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)





In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:51:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine: 
  I have an audio tape, surreptitiously obtained, of the thenprophet 
  (1978)describing the 'revelation' (political decision) to permit 
  non-whites into the priesthood.

I was present in a hospital waiting room when the announcement was made, 
and I remember it well. But thanks anyway. 
Blainer

Re: [TruthTalk] FW: January 6 - The Delusions of 2005 (deny the power thereo...





Blainerb: Where is smoke, there is usually a little fire. What 
these "outsiders" are saying is probably based on truth to some extent--whether 
perceived by outsiders or no. I had a German exchange student living with 
me for a year--he said the Germans seldom go to church, and when they do, they 
wear casual clothing and cutoffs, sometimes even flip-flops. 
As his dad told me once, "Nobody in Germany believes in the 'Yesus' story 
anymore."

In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:52:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  EVERY REFORM MOVEMENT utilizes less than lauditory speech concerning 
  those not themselves part of the 'reform'.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 07, 2006 18:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] FW: January 6 
- The Delusions of 2005 ("deny the power thereof")


Blainerb: Rev Jan Markell has 
it right (see below)--more evidence of truth of the warning from God to 
Joseph Smith: "They teach for doctrine the commandments of men, having 
a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof."


In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:18:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  


  

  

  

  

  
  
  


  

  

  
January 
6 - The Delusions of 2005 
  

  
  
  


  

  

  
  

  

  · 
  The church will save the world and make it perfect for 
  Christ's return (Dominion/Kingdom Now Theology). Reality 
  check: Many churches are not even preaching a sound gospel. 
  They are preaching a bloodless gospel to 
  fill up the pews and false doctrine is exploding as 
  predicted.
  · 
  We're in the "last days" and churches are encouraging their 
  flock to get right with God while there is still time. Reality 
  check: Visit most any church in 
  America and you 
  will not hear the wonderful news that Jesus is coming 
  soon.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 1/8/2006 2:06:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Someone walking in the fear of God would be 
  aware that he needs to clean up his own backyard
  before lamenting the fate of 
  others.Excluding ministry gifts of course- but I 
  don't seetravelling 
  minstrels listedamong 
  them.

Blainerb: "If any ofye lack 
wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally . . . 
"

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry






Blainerb: You may have a point there, David--the value of the 
propertybeing offered to the city by the LDS Church was no small amount 
(but it is conjectural only). Rocky gave his reasons, which appeared 
in print and on TV several times, and included were his personal experiences 
watching SPs on the Plaza--he also expressed fears that such would get worse, 
not better. His interest was mainly in bringing the divergent groups in 
the city together in a compromise situation, and the fact that the LDS Church 
sweetened thatsituation was only part of the deal. He maintained 
that the bottom line was the behavior of the SPs--he wasclearly afraid of 
that sort of thing creating more divisiveness, which, more than anything,would 
posea threat to his continuance as Mayor of the city--so, it had political 
overtones, I guess you might say, as well.Let's face it, SPs were 
not popular even among those opposed to thePlaza.  



In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:02:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, 
  if money were not involved, don't you think the outcome would have been a 
  bit different? Follow the money, Blaine. The love of money is the 
  root of all evil. The Mormons supplied the money. The city 
  leaders took it. Think about it.Peace be with you.David 
  Miller.- Original Message - From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, 
  January 08, 2006 7:48 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism  
  FreemasonryIn a message dated 1/8/2006 8:30:42 A.M. Mountain 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hey Judy, I've got a 
  question for you: When Street Preachers point their fingers at Blaine and 
  say 'Repent or you're going to hell!" is that 
  righteous?Blainerb: Answer, but from Blaine, not Judy: 
  NO!! :) Street Preachers do more harm than good--that is 
  the consensus of opinion, at least among the more righteous preachers 
  of traditional Christianity. Even Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake 
  City Mayor, a former ACLU Attorney, was turned off by the insolent 
  behavior of the street preachers. He finally sided with the LDS 
  Church on the Plaza issue, mainly because of the 
  SPs.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
  salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 
  4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry(update on remnant of Jacob)





Blainerb: What John 
andbrother Moore have written belowis the crux of what God 
meant when he told Joseph Smith that the Protestant ministers of the day taught 
doctrines of men, which had a form of Godliness, but denied the Power 
thereof. In other words, they denied the "greater revelation," or the 
possibility of "greater revelation" than that contained in the 
Bible. 
This will turn to their ultimate 
condemnation, in the great hereafter, because God has all power--and is the same 
today, yesterday, and forever--including having the right and ability to give 
forth "greater revelation." 
If the ministers of Protestant 
religiondo not repent of this prideful stubbornness, then I am thinking 
one of the most immediate consequences will be for God to empower the 
Remnant of Jacob to go through, and destroy the wonderful civilizationthat 
hasbeen built upover the past two hundred years called the US 
of A. Those Mexicans, most of whom are descendants of the Aztecs, 
who by the way worshipped Quetzalquatl,who was described as being 
aWhite God who wore a white robe and a beard, just keep coming over 
the border, don't they? Despite efforts to stay them, and the prophecy contained 
in 3 Nephi of the BoM creeps closer and closer to being fulfilled every 
day. I hope when it happens, the "Remnant"will by then have 
recognized the LDS Church as something other than a "White Guy's" church. 

There is already evidence this is 
true. The Navajo language has two words for White men: Biligana, 
which is a derisive term, meaning something like, "White Enemy," and another 
term which simply means "White brother."The 
latterisusually applied to members of the LDS Church. 

I spent three years teaching Dine' 
(Navajos) in Southern Utah, and I know that among them are many who have adopted 
the Black man's symbol for Black Power--a raised, gloved hand--except the 
fingers of the glove have been cut off, allowing the red man's fingers to show 
through at the end of the glove, apparently symbolizing the Red Power Movement 
that has grown from the Black Power Movement.
You Protestant cowboysmight do 
well tostrap on your six-shooters, 'cause I believe the day will soon come 
when the game we played as little kids--Cowboys and Indians--may become a 
nightmarish reality .. .




In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:55:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 9:56:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry

kidding, of course. Actually, I am going to use the 
bat at the local batting cages. The closest thing to physical 
excercise that I really want to get, in my old age. 

jd
cd: How old are you John? I am 44 now and kinda like this age. 
Splitting firewood is enough exercise for me.

-- 
  Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/6/2006 3:44:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism 
 Freemasonry

G, let me know when you get my check for the bat. 
That's right, Dean !! I'm buying a bat !!

jd
cd: What type of bat and what do you plan to do with this 
bat-shouldI be concernedof answering my door? I Should have 
kept the wolf/ dog.

-- 
  Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  ..what 
  if, perhaps. elemental to BTs commentary, there genuinely appears to 
  bea qualitatively greater revelation thanyour 'greater 
  revelation'? 
  
  
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
e.g., 
let's say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
revelation per se and 
all that you(two cult-apostles 
like DavidM)would have to say about it is that he 
(too)rejects 'greater revelation'?


On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  

what Protestants would say they need 
it?

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 
EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ||
  ..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation,

Re: [TruthTalk] FW: January 6 - The Delusions of 2005 (deny the power thereof)





Blainerb: Rev Jan Markell has it 
right (see below)--more evidence of truth of the warning from God to Joseph 
Smith: "They teach for doctrine the commandments of men, having a form of 
Godliness, but denying the power thereof."


In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:18:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  


  

  

  

  

  
  
  


  

  

  
January 
6 - The Delusions of 2005 
  

  
  
  


  

  

  
  

  

  · 
  The church will save the world and make it perfect for Christ's 
  return (Dominion/Kingdom Now Theology). Reality check: Many 
  churches are not even preaching a sound gospel. They are preaching a bloodless gospel to fill up the pews 
  and false doctrine is exploding as 
  predicted.
  · 
  We're in the "last days" and churches are encouraging their flock 
  to get right with God while there is still time. Reality check: 
  Visit most any church in America and you will 
  not hear the wonderful news that Jesus is coming 
  soon.
  ·.
  ·

[TruthTalk] Kevin Deegan??




I guess I missed something--whatever happened to Deegan, my ol' sparring 
buddy? I got really far behind, so instead of reading a lot of the posts, 
I deleted like crazy--probably did not answer some posts as well as missing out 
on what happened to him.
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





AMEN to Dylan's insightful song--liked especially the part about sweatin' . 
. . maybe like in the Garden of G? :)
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 6:29:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Actually, the G man has given us one of Dylan's better quotes. 
  
  
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much 
more concerned about being him on that day.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
  Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, 
  "It's too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day._
  
  You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't 
  gonna stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, 
  hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
  gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what 
  you've got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride 
  in no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
  hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
  day.
  
  Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five 
  cents a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're 
  one cent short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that 
  dreadful day.
  
  You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
  care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when 
  you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
  youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
  Copyright © 
1964

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





Judge not that ye be not judged--
Blainerb


In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:23:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hmmm! Dylan ought to be much more 
  concerned about being him on that day.
  
  On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:25:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Well, your clock is gonna stopAt Saint 
Peter's gate.Ya gonna ask him what time it is,He's gonna say, "It's 
too late."Hey, hey!_I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day._

You're gonna start to sweatAnd you ain't gonna 
stop.You're gonna have a nightmareAnd never wake up.Hey, hey, 

hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna cry for pillsAnd your head's 
gonna be in a knot,But the pills are gonna cost moreThan what you've 
got.Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna have to walk naked,Can't ride in 
no car.You're gonna let ev'rybody seeJust what you are.Hey, 
hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

Well, the good wine's a-flowin'For five cents 
a quart.You're gonna look in your moneybagsAnd find you're one cent 
short.Hey, hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be youOn that dreadful 
day.

You're gonna yell and scream,"Don't anybody 
care?"You're gonna hear out a voice say,"Shoulda listened when 
you heard the word down there."Hey, hey!I'd sure hate to be 
youOn that dreadful day.Bob Dylan :: 
Copyright © 1964

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  e.g., let's 
  say BT (of TT)confidently commentscreatively 
  onnecessities (also, germane to Protestant thought, i 
  suspect)disclosed discreetly from certain 
  revelation per se and all that you(two 
  cult-apostles like DavidM)would have to say about it is 
  that he (too)rejects 'greater revelation'?
  
  
  On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:02:45 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: Certainly, none on TT.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  what Protestants would say they need 
  it?
  
  On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:07:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

||
..Protestants ..have rejected the greater revelation, 

||

Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep

2006-01-05 Thread Blainerb473






Blainerb: There were many Jews throughout the Roman Empire. It 
doesn't really say whether this fellow with the unclean spirit was a Gentile or 
a Jew. More than likely he was considered by the Lord to be an 
Israelite, however, consideringHe had already explicitly stated his 
ministry was "but to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel." 
Regards the caveman from Geresa?? I would need a source for that 
one. 



In a message dated 1/4/2006 11:50:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine writes  Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. 
  He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception 
  to his rule. 
  
  
  
  
NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the 
other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had 
come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with 
an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been 
demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did 
not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them 
what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion 
on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that 
Jesus had done for him; and all marveled.
  You might want to ruminate on this 
  passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made 
  up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called 
  Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks 
  ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile 
  territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, 
  Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, 
  and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into 
  the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until 
  throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what 
  Jesus had done." 
  And, Blaine, I find it quite 
  noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin 
  thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it 
  would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their 
  peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. 
  To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand 
  new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not 
  permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of 
  his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out 
  without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout 
  a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. 
  No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: 
  "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had 
  compassion on you." 
  In your post you claim that Peter was 
  the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In 
  fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that 
  one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but 
  before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus 
  had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles 
  -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, 
  Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish 
  customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad 
  cleansed?
  Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep

2006-01-04 Thread Blainerb473





The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter 
first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed 
as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to 
"Rise, Peter, Kill and eat."
This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message. 
Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the 
apostle to the Gentiles. 
Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them 
except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They 
never heard his voice, yet he says, "Other sheep I have which are not of this 
fold, and they too must Hear My 
Voice!" His personal appearances were 
ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!!



In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday 
Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep


What about 
this? 

Matthew 15:22-26 

"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and 
said, I am not sent but to the lost 
sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the 
children's bread, and cast it to the dogs."

Do you not believe your Bible? Here He 
actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL 
only. The woman from Caanan, 
although a Gentile, was an exception because of 
her great faith. 
cd: Then does that mean that gentiles cannot 
be saved? If his words were for the "House of Israel" only then why are we 
told to live by those same words that Jesus spoke to the Jews? If so then 
the message that Jesus carried were for all men-this was foretold as the 
Jews had to first be offered the truth with the understanding that they 
would reject that truth-it was also foretold that Jesus would die for the 
sins of the whole world-so he was also here for the whole world not just the 
Jews. We then are grafted intothe tribes-and in a sense become a 
part of the promise given to Abraham and are actually grafted into Israel 
(ie. Romans 11:17)

His mission to the Samaritans was due to the 
largeamount of the bloodof Israel in that group of people. 
The Samaritans were a mixture of Israelite bloodlines and Babylonian 
bloodlines--they were descendants ofthose Jews who were not taken 
captive in the Babylonian Captivity, and who intermarried with the 
Babylonians who were sent from Babylon to occupy the land. Because the 
Jews would not recognize their Israelite heritage, they even had a separate 
temple, alter, priests, etc. But Jesus, knowing all things, 
knewmany of themwere also Israelites. This 
was not a contradiction to his stance that he was sent "but to the House of 
Israel."
cd: The Samaritans were more 
correctly termed half-Jews (ie mixture of gentile and Jewish blood) as such 
they were outcasts to which the Jews would have no part of-nor any dealing 
with-as a half Jew is regarded as a gentiles-It is my view that Jesus helped 
those whom asked for help-Jew or Gentile.After the Babylonian 
captivityEzra separated those that inner married with those Gentiles 
mentioned and the Jewish blood line remained pure (ie. see Ezra 10: 6-17). 

Not only that, but if his mission was 
"but to the House of Israel," what about those Israelites--ten tribes of 
them--who had already been taken captive many years earlier into the 
"Northlands" by Assyria? How was he to minister to 
them? The Jews were basically two tribes only--Judah and Benjamin--and 
parts of a third tribe, Levi. The other ten tribes had been 
takencaptive years earlier and were never heard from again. They 
are even today referred to as the "Lost Ten tribes." So what 
about them? Did THE SAVIOR NOT CARE ABOUT THEM? 
cd: In Bible prophecy we are told to look 
for Israel to become a nation again as a sign of the last days of the 
Gentile world rule-to wit the Messianic Jews and the converted Gentiles will 
rule the worldunder the leadership of Jesus Christ (ie. King of Kings) 
at this same time there is a seven year time of testing and the outpouring 
of Gods wrath-within this same time period God seals 12,000 from each tribe 
of Israel equaling 144,000 and each tribe is mentioned as being present in 
Israel (ie. Rev.7,14). The nation of Israel came into existence May 14,1947 
and was ratified in 1969-This has never happened in the history of the 
world-no nation has ever ceased to exist for 2,000 years and returned-yet 
Israel has done so. The Jews have returned and all the tribes are present-so 
therefore logic would dictate there are no "lost tribes".The sheep of

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

2006-01-04 Thread Blainerb473

In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:51:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be pagans?

Blainerb: No, I consider Protestants to be the Gentiles spoken of in
the BoM who had the Bible, which was God's word, and upon whom the Spirit of God
rested because they were righteous and sought to serve Jesus Christ as their
Lord. They were given great power over the unrighteousseed of Jacob
living in the Americasto the extent of scattering them,
anddecimating their populations. I consider the Protestant movement
to have been of God, as it furnished a prelude to the restoration of the full
gospel through the Prophet Joseph Smith and others. Unfortunately, most present-day Protestants have rejected
the greater revelation, and are presently under
condemnation. The time will come when those
Gentileswho reject thislatter-day message will be judged of God,
however, and the power of the remnant of Jacob will be unleashed upon
them.

The BoM predicts
that,
"My people who are a remnant of
Jacob (Lamanites, mostly) shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of
them, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through
both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their
enemies shall be cut off. Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles, except they
repent. . . . And I will execute judgement and fury upon them,
even as upon the Heathen, such as they have not
heard."
3 Nephi 21: 12-22

In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:51:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be
pagans?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism
FreemasonryDate: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:52
ESTNo doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing
bad stuff, fertilitycultism included. But what I am saying is
documenting something from ancienttimes is always hard,
and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to
thosetimes could be done with so much confidence in the
findings as to be able tosay confidently that such and
such is true, or such and such is not true.
Infact, that would be true of almost anything.
Even Mormonism, which is barelytwo hundred years old,
despite an abundance of records on the subject, stillhas
much that cannot be said for certain about it. What it boils down
to intoo many cases is that basically, we express our
opinions, pro and con, andthat's about the best we can
do.But I can say with a high degree of confidence, that although there
are somesimilarities between free Masonry and the temple
Endowment ceremony, thereare far too many fundamental differences
to conclude that one came from theother. I
have, believe it or not, studied Free Masonry, and I am
intimatelyfamiliar with the ceremony in the
temple. There are just too many
otherpossibilities.In a message dated 12/31/2005
4:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:No it is way before that; the ancient fertility
cults were practised inCanaan before God destroyed the
Amorites.On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST
[EMAIL PROTECTED](mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
writes:Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously
descended from the time when the Jewsreturned from the
Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple
andthe walls of the city. It is one thing to say
such as you have statedbelow, but quite another to show beyond
reasonable doubt that your assertions arecorrect. If you
wouldn't mind, I would like to double-check your
sources.In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I
have read the same Blaine and the Freemasonry rituals are based on the
oldFertility Cult mystery religions which isthe
same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from
thePromised Land and destroyed. There is asexual aspect
to both. jtOn Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST
[EMAIL PROTECTED](mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
writes:I am not aware of one, except to say, as
JS did, that he joined theFreemasons to obtain whatever
friendship and support they might offer in times
ofduress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false
charges manytimes--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both
physically and verbally a lotof times by antis of his
day.But I am sure if there is any official commentary from
Church authorities,Kevin would know where it would be
found. Especially if it could be usedagainst the
Church. :)BlainerbIn a message dated
12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion
regarding freemasonary?

Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep





What about this? 


Matthew 15:22-26 

"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and 
said, I am not sent but to the lost 
sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's 
bread, and cast it to the dogs."

Do you not believe your Bible? Here He 
actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL 
only. The woman from Caanan, although a 
Gentile, was an exception because of her great 
faith. 

His mission to the Samaritans was due to the 
largeamount of the bloodof Israel in that group of people. The 
Samaritans were a mixture of Israelite bloodlines and Babylonian 
bloodlines--they were descendants ofthose Jews who were not taken captive 
in the Babylonian Captivity, and who intermarried with the Babylonians who were 
sent from Babylon to occupy the land. Because the Jews would not recognize 
their Israelite heritage, they even had a separate temple, alter, priests, 
etc. But Jesus, knowing all things, knewmany of themwere also 
Israelites. This was not a contradiction to his stance that 
he was sent "but to the House of Israel." 
Not only that, but if his mission was "but 
to the House of Israel," what about those Israelites--ten tribes of them--who 
had already been taken captive many years earlier into the "Northlands" by 
Assyria? How was he to minister to them? The Jews were 
basically two tribes only--Judah and Benjamin--and parts of a third tribe, 
Levi. The other ten tribes had been takencaptive years earlier and 
were never heard from again. They are even today referred to as the "Lost 
Ten tribes." So what about them? Did THE SAVIOR NOT CARE ABOUT 
THEM? 

In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:48:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  cd: I see no contradictions of my original 
  statement Blain-The Gospel was first preached to the Jews and later given to 
  the sheep of another fold(gentiles). You also failed to explain the gospel 
  being given to the Samaritan women-please do so??
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/24/2005 4:14:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday 
Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep


In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:18:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He 
  said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the 
  Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman 
  at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The 
  other sheep mentioned were gentiles

Your total lack of understanding of the NT record is showing Deano, 
buddy. 


Jesus sent ONLY to the House 
of Israel-- see Matthew 15:22-26 

"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and 
said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House 
of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the 
children's bread, and cast it to the dogs."

Gentiles given the 
gospel
Peter receivesa visionto preach to the Gentiles:(Read 
entire chapter 11 in Acts) "
When they heard these things, they held their peace, , and glorified 
god, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted 
repentance unto life." Acts 
11:18

The Jews were to actually hear his voice, but the Gentiles were to 
receive the gospel via the Holy ghost and the preaching of the 
Apostles--

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





Blainerb: "Supposed to have?" Judging from the 
"plethora" of records about the Tower of Babel, and what went on then, can you 
even say "supposed" with any degree of assurance? :) I mean, 
let's face it, what we have on the Tower of Babel, is vry scant, 
indeed. The BoM gives a fairly detailed record of one group leaving the 
Tower . . . called the Book of Ether. But I have 
not read anything else that I would place much confidence in--perhaps you are 
aware of some very ancient documents


In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:17:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, it is supposed to have started with the tower of Babel, and 
  the master builders who were to construct it.TerryJudy 
  Taylor wrote: 
  

No it is way 
before that; the ancient fertility cults were practised in Canaan before God 
destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Blainerb: 
  Freemasonry is obviously descended from the time when the Jews returned 
  from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple and the 
  walls of the city. It is one thing to say such as you have 
  stated below, but quite another to show beyond reasonable doubt that your 
  assertions are correct. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to 
  double-check your sources. 
  
  
  In a message dated 12/27/2005 
  8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
I have read the same Blaine and the 
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery 
religions which is 
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from 
the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. 
jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he 
  joined the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they 
  might offer in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was 
  arrested on false charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and 
  abused both physically and verballya 
  lot of times by antis of his day. 
  But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church 
  authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. 
  Especially if it could be used against the 
  Church. :)
  Blainerb
  
  In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding 
freemasonary? 

  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

[TruthTalk] Fwd: THE PASTOR'S CAT





In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:10:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Funniest 
  thing I've read for a while. "Laughter does good like 
  medicine."JoanTHE PASTOR'S CATThis particular story 
  just made me laugh. Every time I think about it,the vision of that 
  poor cat just amuses me. Hope the story leaves a brightspot in your 
  day. Who says the Creator doesn't have a sense 
  ofhumor?Dwight Nelson tells a true story about the pastor of his 
  church.He had a kitten that had climbed up a tree in his backyard and then 
  wasafraid to come down. The pastor coaxed, offered warm milk, etc., 
  but thekitty just would not come down.The tree was not sturdy 
  enough to climb, so the pastor decided that if hetied a rope to his car 
  and drove away so that the tree bent down, hecould then reach up and get 
  the kitten.So that's what he did, all the while checking his progress 
  in the car.He then figured if he went just a little bit further, the tree 
  would bebent sufficiently for him to reach the kitten. But as he 
  moved the car alittle further forward, the rope broke.The tree 
  went "boing!" and the kitten went sailing through the air and out of 
  sight! The pastor felt terrible. He walked all over the 
  neighborhood asking people if they'd seen a little kitten. No, 
  nobody had seen a stray kitten. So he prayed, "Lord, I just commit 
  this kitten to your keeping," and went on about his 
  business.A few days later he was at the grocery store and met one of 
  his church members. He happened to look into her shopping cart and 
  was amazed to see cat food. This woman was a cat hater and everyone 
  knew it, so he asked her, "Why are you buying cat food when you hate 
  cats so much?"She replied, "You won't believe this, Pastor." And 
  then told him how her littel girl had been begging her for a cat, 
  but she kept refusing. Then, a few days before, the child had 
  begged again, so Mom finally told her little girl, "Well, if God 
  gives you a cat, I'll let you keep it."She told the pastor, "I watched 
  my child go out in the yard, get on her knees, and ask God for 
  a cat. And really, Pastor, you won't believe this, but I 
  saw it with my own eyes. A kitten suddenly came flying out of the 
  blue sky, with its paws outspread, and landed right in front of 
  her." Never underestimate the Power of God and His unique sense 
  of humor.JoanA candle loses nothing by lighting another 
  candle.From: NED MEACHAM 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: THE 
  PASTOR'S CAT [also from a year ago]Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:00:56 
  -0500


---BeginMessage---

Funniest thing I've read for a while. Laughter does good like medicine.
Joan


THE PASTOR'S CAT

This particular story just made me laugh.  Every time I think about it,
the vision of that poor cat just amuses me.  Hope the story leaves a bright
spot in your day.  Who says the Creator doesn't have a sense of
humor?

Dwight Nelson tells a true story about the pastor of his church.
He had a kitten that had climbed up a tree in his backyard and then was
afraid to come down.  The pastor coaxed, offered warm milk, etc., but the
kitty just would not come down.

The tree was not sturdy enough to climb, so the pastor decided that if he
tied a rope to his car and drove away so that the tree bent down, he
could then reach up and get the kitten.

So that's what he did, all the while checking his progress in the car.
He then figured if he went just a little bit further, the tree would be
bent sufficiently for him to reach the kitten.  But as he moved the car a
little further forward, the rope broke.

The tree went boing! and the kitten went sailing through the air and out 
of sight!  The pastor felt terrible.  He walked all over the  neighborhood 
asking people if they'd seen a little kitten.  No, nobody had seen a stray 
kitten.  So he prayed, Lord, I just commit this kitten to your keeping,  
and went on about his business.


A few days later he was at the grocery store and met one of his church 
members.  He happened to look into her shopping cart and was amazed to see 
cat food.  This woman was a cat hater and everyone knew it, so he  asked 
her, Why are you buying cat food when you hate cats so much?


She replied, You won't believe this, Pastor.  And then told him how her  
littel girl had been begging her for a cat, but she kept refusing.  Then, a  
few days before, the child had begged again, so Mom finally told her  little 
girl, Well, if God gives you a cat, I'll let you keep it.


She told the pastor, I watched my child go out in the yard, get on  her  
knees, and ask God for a cat.  And really, Pastor, you won't  believe  this, 
but I saw it with my own eyes.  A kitten suddenly came flying out  of the 
blue sky, with its paws outspread, and landed right in front of  her.


 Never underestimate the Power of God and His unique sense of humor.


Joan
A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.






From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff, fertility
cultism included. But what I am saying is documenting something from
ancient times is always hard, and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to
those times could be done with so much confidence in the findingsas to be
able to say confidently that such and such is true, or such and such is not
true. In fact, that would be true of almost anything. Even
Mormonism, which is barely two hundred years old, despite an abundance of
records on the subject, still has much that cannot be said for certain about
it. What it boils down to in too many cases is that basically, we express
our opinions, pro and con, and that's about the best we can do.
But I can say with a high degree of confidence, that although there are some similarities between free Masonry
and the temple Endowment ceremony, there are far too many fundamental differences to
concludethat one came from the other. I have,
believe it or not, studiedFree Masonry, and I am intimately familiar with
the ceremony in the temple. There are just too many other
possibilities.

In a message dated 12/31/2005 4:00:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No it is way before that; the ancient fertility cults
were practised in Canaan before God destroyed the Amorites.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:12 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously descended from
the time when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem
to rebuild their temple and the walls of the city. It is one thing
to say such as you have stated below, but quite another to show beyond
reasonable doubt that your assertions are correct. If you wouldn't
mind, I would like to double-check your sources.

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine and the
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions
which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from
the Promised Land and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both.
jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he
joined the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they
might offer in times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was
arrested on false charges many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and
abused both physically and verballya
lot of times by antis of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church
authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found.
Especially if it could be used against the
Church. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding
freemasonary?

[TruthTalk] Church Plaza Fight Ends With a Whimper

2005-12-30 Thread Blainerb473




ACLU throws in the towel . . 
.


"..."I can't imagine 
perpetuating the situation where street preachers were standing on the plaza, 
hurling insults and even profanities at newly married brides," Anderson said. 
"There are plenty of areas [nearby] for freedom of speech." 


 
Mayor Rocky Anderson, former ACLU Lawyer

see http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3356230 
for complete article . . .

[TruthTalk] Fwd: Praise the Lord

2005-12-29 Thread Blainerb473





In a message dated 12/29/2005 10:56:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There 
  was a little old lady, who every morning stepped onto her frontporch, 
  raised her arms to the sky, and shouted: "PRAISE THE LORD!"One 
  day an atheist moved into the house next door.He became irritated at the 
  little old lady.Every morning he'd step onto his front porch after her 
  and yell:"THERE IS NO LORD!"Time passed with the two of them 
  carrying on this way every day.One morning, in the middle of winter, 
  the little old lady stepped ontoher front porch and shouted: "PRAISE 
  THE LORD! Please Lord, I have nofood and I am starving, provide for 
  me, oh Lord!The next morning she stepped onto her porch and there were 
  two hugebags of groceries sitting there."PRAISE THE LORD!" 
  she cried out. "HE HAS PROVIDED GROCERIES FOR ME!"The atheist 
  neighbor jumped out of the hedges and shouted:"THERE IS NO LORD! I 
  BOUGHT THOSE GROCERIES!!"The little old lady threw her arms into the 
  air and shouted: "PRAISETHE LORD! HE HAS PROVIDED ME WITH 
  GROCERIES AND MADE THE DEVIL PAY FOR THEM!JoanA candle 
  loses nothing by lighting another candle.


---BeginMessage---


There was a little old lady, who every morning stepped onto her front
porch, raised her arms to the sky, and shouted:  PRAISE THE LORD!

One day an atheist moved into the house next door.
He became irritated at the little old lady.

Every morning he'd step onto his front porch after her and yell:
THERE IS NO LORD!

Time passed with the two of them carrying on this way every day.

One morning, in the middle of winter, the little old lady stepped onto
her front porch and shouted:  PRAISE THE LORD!  Please Lord, I have no
food and I am starving, provide for me, oh Lord!

The next morning she stepped onto her porch and there were two huge
bags of groceries sitting there.

PRAISE THE LORD!  she cried out.  HE HAS PROVIDED GROCERIES FOR ME!

The atheist neighbor jumped out of the hedges and shouted:
THERE IS NO LORD!  I BOUGHT THOSE GROCERIES!!

The little old lady threw her arms into the air and shouted:  PRAISE
THE LORD!  HE HAS PROVIDED ME WITH GROCERIES AND MADE THE DEVIL PAY FOR 
THEM!



Joan
A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.


---End Message---

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Add to 
  this the fact that JS was himself a mason of at least the 32nd 
  degree,

Blainerb: I assure you there are not anywhere near 32 degrees 
in Mormon temple ceremonies. There are NO degrees in the 
ceremonies. :)
There are three degrees of glory in the resurrection, in LDS 
theology, could this be whatLance was referring to?



In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard 
Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 'degrees' in 
Mormonism correspond tothe 'degrees' in freemasonry. DANGEROUS 
STUFF!There is no provable 
relationship. If there was, you would do more thanmake a 
blanket statement.Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry







I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he joined the 
Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they might offer in times 
of duress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false charges many 
times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both physically and 
verballya lot of times by antis of 
his day. 
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church authorities, 
Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially 
if it could be used against the Church. :)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding 
  freemasonary? 
  
  jd
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:14:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..are one and the same 'spirit'. The 
  'degrees' in Mormonism correspond to the 'degrees' in freemasonry. 
  DANGEROUS STUFF!

There is no provable relationship. If there was, you would do 
more than make a blanket statement. 
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry




In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, 
  I beg to differ. I have read two books, side by side, one 
  of the Mormon temple endowment, and one of Freemasonry, and the 
  similarities are unmistakable, from the the clothing and anointing to the 
  secret grips, tokens, and penalties. Add to this the fact that JS 
  was himself a mason of at least the 32nd degree, and it is quite obvious 
  that JS adopted and adapted the Freemason ceremonies for his own use in 
  the LDS temple endowments.

Blainerb: I don't think the LDS 
Church has ever denied what you are saying, so it seems unnecessary to even 
point it out. The similarities are just that, however, and there are other 
aspects of the LDS ceremonies that are highly dissimilar.Your conclusions 
thatJS just went in and adapted/borrowed stuff seems a little rash, it 
seems to me. A charitable attitude towards JS and Mormons in general 
would suggest to me that his claims to have received the temple ceremonies by 
revelation should be given first priority. As in all dreams and other 
revelations, the Lord often makes use of symbols and etc familiar to the 
recipient-- I see nothing amiss in this happening with regards to JS's 
revelations, whether regarding temple ceremonies or 
otherwise. The 
Key word here is CHARITY.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry





In a message dated 12/26/2005 11:52:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Lets add to this some new information...the Freemasons, in 
  their ceremonies, pay homage to several Egyptian gods. Now, you have told 
  us that JS writes in the PoGP that one of hte names of god is Amun, or 
  Ammon, an Egyptian god. See the siilarity. I am anxious to research if JS 
  got that name fromt he pages fromt eh book of the dead he purchased and 
  pretended to translate as the Book of Abraham, or if he learned it in his 
  Masonic lodge.



Blainerb: I simply stated that some words from 
the language of Adam had been revealed to Joseph Smith, among them the word 
Ahman, for God the Father. In pointing out the similarities between that 
word and some Egyptian names for deity, I was suggesting that perhaps the 
Egyptianshad throughtime corrupted the concept of God, but had 
retained the name to some extent. It is a well known fact that languages 
change, but still retain words or similar words to the original. An 
example is the Algonquin Indian word for father--Abba. The same word in 
Hebrew has the same meaning. I am not an expert on languages, but it seems 
pretty clear there had to be a linguistic/cultural sameness at some point in 
time. Again, CHARITYmight help you reach different 
conclusionsfrom the ones you draw.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry

Blainerb: Freemasonry is obviously descended from the
time when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem to
rebuild their temple and the walls of the city. It is one thing to
say such as you have stated below, but quite another to show beyond reasonable
doubt that your assertions are correct. If you wouldn't mind, I would like
to double-check your sources.

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:04:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have read the same Blaine and the
Freemasonry rituals are based on the old Fertility Cult mystery religions
which is
the same kind of paganism that got the Canaanite Nations exiled from the Promised Land
and destroyed. There is a
sexual aspect to both. jt

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:06:14 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am not aware of one, except to say, as JS did, that he joined
the Freemasons to obtain whatever friendship and support they might offer in
times of duress--as you are probably aware, he was arrested on false charges
many times--0ver 40 times, as I recall--and abused both physically and
verballya lot of times by antis
of his day.
But I am sure if there is any official commentary from Church
authorities, Kevin would know where it would be found. Especially if it could be used against the Church.
:)
Blainerb

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:08:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does the Mormon Church have an expressed opinion regarding
freemasonary?

Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas!





My thinking, too, jd. In fact, I wonder if Marlin 
collects antiques. Marlin, do you hold onto the past in other ways, 
too? 

Blainerb


In a message dated 12/25/2005 9:57:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hello Marlin. Christmas has a very different definition 
  around our house. I am not one who cares about the 
  history or even the etimology of words and events that have taken on 
  definitions of their own. It is a blessed time of year. 
  We think of and even celebrate the birth of Christ, knowing that His 
  presense was all about emanuel.
  
  jd
  
  
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: "Marlin halverson" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



1.) Christ 2.) Mass I 
think we all know that "Christ" refers to God's Son Jesus. The word "Mass" 
comes from Old English mæsse, 
a modification of (assumed) Vulgar Latin messa from the Late Latin 
missa, literally meaning "dismissal"; as in at the end of a 
religious service. The Middle English Christemasse, 
comes from Old English Cristes mæsse, 
literally, Christ's mass - shortened to "Christ-mas". Meaning the 
"dismissal" or passing away of Christ; or more directly, the death of 
Christ.. Those who understand a bit about the Catholic religion 
realize that the "Mass" always refers to the sacrificial death of Christ. 
The word "Christmas" comes from the Roman Catholic ritual. 
Folks walk around this time of year saying "Merry Christmas!" to each other. 
I wonder if it occurs to anyone they are saying "Merry Death of Christ." 

www.truthontheweb.org/NwsClpz/122405.htm-
Maranatha

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