subject:"RE\: \[TruthTalk\] Is a Mormon a Christian\?"

David:I understand that you have your own sect. Do any of its adherents 
worship idols?  FWIW, I'd guess that at least a few of your sectarians do, 
given the law of average and all.

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 13, 2006 14:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship 
idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be 
another

debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when 
we

focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the 
case.

Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is 
truly

a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:

What reason would anyone on TT have
to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes 
in

the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the 
Mormon

sects are among them.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

David: IMO this is all Blah! Blah! Blah! Boring, boring boring! You've said 
all of this before and, in the same words. You from your sectarian ideaology 
could engage could engage Kevin's, Dean's, Judy's and Linda's respective 
sects and speak representing both sides. This is mockuology!

 Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 13, 2006 16:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets.  I'm 
talking

about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God.  I was given the left
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak 
in

tongues.  Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has
something else that many other Christian sects don't have.

What about Roman Catholics?  They recognize several other books of
Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, 
called

the pope.  Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?

Also, another question for you:  Despite the false prophet and false
Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to 
be
saved?  In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have 
faith
in Jesus Christ?  There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them 
from

applying faith in Christ.  It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't
it?

David Miller.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members 
do

is an entirely different subject. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship 
idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be 
another

debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when 
we

focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the 
case.

Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is 
truly

a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:

What reason would anyone on TT have
to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes 
in

the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

IFO believe Kevin's sect simply leaps, spiritually speaking of course, from 
'a' to 'z'. This is why he's had so much difficulty, from time to time, with 
you and your sect, David.

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 13, 2006 17:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Interesting take here, JD.  It appears that you think Kevin would never 
say
to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, I, brethren, could not 
speak

unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Is that really what you think?

I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some 
of
his posts.  Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this.  Have you 
ever

told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the
a, b, c's?  I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite 
often.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Two things:  First,  if you reference David's comments  -  I happen to 
agree

with David.

Secondly  --   I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I 
Cor
3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser.  Such thinking mocks the written 
word

and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the
competing disciples.  Perhaps this cannot be avoided  -  but such thinking
demands that outcome.

My theology, a biblically based thinking,  allows me the freedom to speak
the very words written in I Cor 3:1   --  those who disagree relegate this
passage to history and give it no modern day application.  Sad.

jd

-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one
little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire 
rest

of the Bible. iz

-Original Message- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those
who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be
another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when
we

focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the
case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we 
expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think 
so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is
truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Chr istian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes
in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the
Mormon

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts.That way you might stop implying falsehoods like your recent one that I wanted DH banned. That is against every fibre of my being. I believe in freedom Freedom of conscience Freedom of belief Freedom of speechDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this.
Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree
relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us
no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the
case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy
wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There
are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them. David Miller.--"Let y

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Can you explain you deep concern with the ORTHODOX in contrast to what would seem to be your support of the UNORTHODOX?Are you a False Prophet? A Baalim? Do you halt between two opinions? Or just brought in unawares?Are you so concerned with "Unity" that you would join yourself to Error?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets. I'm talking about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God. I was given the left foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in tongues. Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has something else that many other Christian sects don't have.What about Roman Catholics? They recognize several
other books of Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, called the pope. Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?Also, another question for you: Despite the false prophet and false Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to be saved? In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faith in Jesus Christ? There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them from applying faith in Christ. It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't it?David Miller.- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, asdo mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members dois an entirely different
subject. iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favoritesect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idolstoo. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using
your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible
believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT
have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris.tiannoun (plural Chris.tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect t

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?




Kevin:I'd like to believe that David is not playing 
with you (the cat and mouse thingy) but, at times it'd appear so.You rarely 
'see/hear' the point(s) of his posts. IMO he knows that you won't. IMO this is 
similar to his engagement with Dean.He seems capable of being 'humbly 
patronising'.IMO he esteems himself more highly than he ought while believing 
himself more humble than he is.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 14, 2006 07:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
  Christian?
  
  Can you explain you deep concern with the ORTHODOX in contrast to what 
  would seem to be your support of the UNORTHODOX?
  
  Are you a False Prophet?
  A Baalim?
  Do you halt between two opinions?
  Or just brought in unawares?
  
  Are you so concerned with "Unity" that you would join yourself to 
  Error?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Many 
Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets. I'm talking 
about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God. I was given the left 
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak 
in tongues. Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has 
something else that many other Christian sects don't have.What 
about Roman Catholics? They recognize several other books of Scripture, 
and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, called the 
pope. Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?Also, 
another question for you: Despite the false prophet and false Scripture, 
is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to be saved? 
In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faith in 
Jesus Christ? There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them from 
applying faith in Christ. It is a little different than the Qur'an, 
isn't it?David Miller.- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 
PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?If I may 
say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, asdo 
mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members 
dois an entirely different subject. iz-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
Christian?The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... 
name your favoritesect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some 
of them worship idolstoo. Do you agree?David 
Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 
PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put 
any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I 
am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs 
IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus  
Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus 
never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." 
Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition 
for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those whoprofess 
to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers 
actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be 
anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States 
identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would 
not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that 
they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save 
anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think 
that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its 
rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or 
special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for 
Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the 
case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we 
expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't 
think so.David Miller- Original Message - 
From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, 
March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
Christian?Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary 
definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one 
who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes 
he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Anyone can play I'm in the IN crowd. Why else would secret societies thrive? Like Masons and Mormons.Pardon me for giving him the benefit of the doubt if that is the reality.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin:I'd like to believe that David is not playing with you (the cat and mouse thingy) but, at times it'd appear so.You rarely 'see/hear' the point(s) of his posts. IMO he knows that you won't. IMO this is similar to his engagement with Dean.He seems capable of being 'humbly patronising'.IMO he esteems himself more highly than he ought while believing himself more humble than he is.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 14, 2006 07:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Can you explain you deep concern with the ORTHODOX in contrast to what would seem to be your support of the UNORTHODOX?Are you a False Prophet? A Baalim? Do you halt between two opinions? Or just brought in unawares?Are you so
concerned with "Unity" that you would join yourself to Error?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets. I'm talking about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God. I was given the left foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in tongues. Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has something else that many other Christian sects don't have.What about Roman Catholics? They recognize several other books of Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, called the pope. Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?Also, another question for you: Despite the false prophet and false Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for
any of the Mormons to be saved? In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faith in Jesus Christ? There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them from applying faith in Christ. It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't it?David Miller.- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, asdo mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members dois an entirely different subject. iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a
Christian?The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favoritesect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idolstoo. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those
whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David
Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help

RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread ShieldsFamily

Yes, I do think Roman Catholics are in a perilous situation, but I do think
they can get saved in spite of their bogus doctrines.  I do not think you
can accept the tenets of Mormonism and get saved--they are antithetical. You
cannot believe in multiple gods and the One true God at the same time. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:12 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets.  I'm talking

about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God.  I was given the left 
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in 
tongues.  Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has 
something else that many other Christian sects don't have.

What about Roman Catholics?  They recognize several other books of 
Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, called

the pope.  Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?

Also, another question for you:  Despite the false prophet and false 
Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to be

saved?  In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faith

in Jesus Christ?  There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them from

applying faith in Christ.  It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't 
it?

David Miller.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members do
is an entirely different subject. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

All persons over all time have access to THE ONE WHO IS THE TRUTH. All 
persons who have accessed the one who is the truth articulate their 
experience, even via scripture, differently.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 14, 2006 11:41
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Yes, I do think Roman Catholics are in a perilous situation, but I do 
think

they can get saved in spite of their bogus doctrines.  I do not think you
can accept the tenets of Mormonism and get saved--they are antithetical. 
You

cannot believe in multiple gods and the One true God at the same time. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:12 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets.  I'm 
talking

about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God.  I was given the left
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak 
in

tongues.  Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has
something else that many other Christian sects don't have.

What about Roman Catholics?  They recognize several other books of
Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, 
called

the pope.  Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?

Also, another question for you:  Despite the false prophet and false
Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to 
be

saved?  In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have 
faith

in Jesus Christ?  There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them 
from

applying faith in Christ.  It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't
it?

David Miller.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members 
do

is an entirely different subject. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship 
idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be 
another

debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when 
we

focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the 
case.

Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is 
truly

a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:

What reason would anyone on TT have
to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
a Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 David:I understand that you have your
 own sect.

No, Lance, I do not have my own sect.  I have corrected you many times on 
this, but it does not seem to stick.

Lance wrote:
 Do any of its adherents worship idols?
 FWIW, I'd guess that at least a few of
 your sectarians do, given the law of average
 and all.

None of my Christian brothers and sisters worship idols, if that is what you 
are asking.

David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

How do you KNOW this?

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 14, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Lance wrote:

David:I understand that you have your
own sect.

No, Lance, I do not have my own sect.  I have corrected you many times on
this, but it does not seem to stick.

Lance wrote:

Do any of its adherents worship idols?
FWIW, I'd guess that at least a few of
your sectarians do, given the law of average
and all.

None of my Christian brothers and sisters worship idols, if that is what 
you

are asking.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do my thoughts BIND you? LOL Someone Please, Call out the Thought Police!!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you do and you have done an excellent job of illustrating your view of "freedom in Christ" It, it is just remarkable. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. That way you might stop implying falsehoods like your recent one that I wanted DH banned. That is against every fibre of my being. I believe in freedom Freedom of conscience Freedom of
belief Freedom of speech David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Second ly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little
loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more
than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what s aves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is w orshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in
Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that th ey have the right belief system, or that any of them wil

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

You confuse me with your personal potentate in the pulpit.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you do and you have done an excellent job of illustrating your view of "freedom in Christ" It, it is just remarkable. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. That way you might stop implying falsehoods like your recent one that I wanted DH banned. That is against every fibre of my being. I believe in freedom Freedom of conscience Freedom of belief Freedom of speech
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29
PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Second ly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire
rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what s aves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10,
2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is w orshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that th ey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be save

RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Roman Catholics can get saved in spite of Roman Catholicism But most of them do not know what they or the Church believes to begin with. Should they believe the tenets of the faith they confess they have a tough road to hoe. Another words few that I have spoken to accept the tenets. They are RC in speech only not belief.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I do think Roman Catholics are in a perilous situation, but I do think they can get saved in spite of their bogus doctrines. I do not think you can accept the tenets of Mormonism and get saved--they are antithetical. Youcannot believe in multiple gods and the One true God at the same time. iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, March 13,
2006 3:12 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets. I'm talkingabout the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God. I was given the left foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in tongues. Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has something else that many other Christian sects don't have.What about Roman Catholics? They recognize several other books of Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, calledthe pope. Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?Also, another question for you: Despite the false prophet and false Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to besaved? In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faithin Jesus Christ? There is nothing in
these Scriptures that forbid them fromapplying faith in Christ. It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't it?David Miller.- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, asdo mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members dois an entirely different subject. iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favoritesect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some
of them worship idolstoo. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be
anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris.tiannoun (plural Chris.tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was se

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread knpraise

You missed my point.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do my thoughts BIND you? LOLSomeone Please, Call out the Thought Police!!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Of course you do and you have done an excellent job of illustrating your view of "freedom in Christ" It, it is just remarkable.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts.

That way you might stop implying falsehoods like your recent one that I wanted DH banned.
That is against every fibre of my being. I believe in freedom
Freedom of conscience
Freedom of belief
Freedom of speech

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Second ly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sen
t: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Chr
ist is what s aves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Be
lieves he is w orshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this cat

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-14 Thread David Miller




Kevin, please don't take my comments so personal. I'm not suggesting 
that you want to censor DH. You just don't seem to understand my desire to 
engage him in dialogue. The extreme opposite of engaging him in 
dialoguewould be kicking him off the list, andso I'm explaining why 
I would not want to do that.

You argue about joining Monguls and Mormons as a way of engaging in 
dialogue with them.I don't want to do that. This is one reason 
why TruthTalk exists. We can talk with people from diverse 
backgroundswithout joining them. If I call the Mormons and say I 
would like to talk, they only meet with me a few times before they realize they 
will never convince me and so I never see them again. In this 
forum,I have talked with Mormons like DaveH for years without either of us 
trying to convert the other. We can discuss truth from our own 
perspectives,hearing as well as sharingwith one another. This 
is not love for humanistic philosophy. It is simplycontinuing 
education.

David Miller


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:04 
PM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
  Christian?
  
  Just to keep on the up N up
  I never advocated censoring DH.
  So why would you mention such in a response to me?
  This really surprises me.
  
  Well you are welcome to DO as you see fit.
  I do not feel called to UNDERSTAND thru discussionthe lost.
  This is just your own personal Humanistic Philosophy.
  To understand the bikers we minister too, should I join the 
Monguls?
  
  Can one be sure what they learn thru discussions with Mormons is 
  reliable.
  Since LDS take a DEATH Oath to protect the "secret" things of 
  Mormonism?
  David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Kevin, 
you seem to be stuck in a "throw out the life preserver" mode. Try to 
shift gears. Not everything is about saving the lost.For the 
purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave in 
discussion. I think we would be in a much better position of helping 
people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that 
is hindering them. Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul. It 
does not help him or us. Through dialogue, I believe that the truth 
shines. I am much better equiped talking to Mormons after having been 
properly educated by guys like Dave and Blaine on this 
list.DaveH considers himself a Christian. I don't have a problem 
with that. You do. This difference in terminology is worth discussing. I 
don't see much difference between a lost Baptist and a lost Mormon. You 
apparently do.David Miller- Original Message - 
From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, 
March 13, 2006 3:36 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
Christian?You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is 
and what is not a christian.Is the dictionary definition correct or 
not.What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for 
eternal torment.Man overboard!Do you want to discuss wether 
we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the 
red/white?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:The thing is, 
some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of 
Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. 
Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - 
From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, 
March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a 
Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term 
christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH 
is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that 
work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus 
 Paul using your Dictionary definition of 
Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard 
the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he 
offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as 
refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People 
can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that 
seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the 
United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me 
that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue 
with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a 
Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what 
saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of 
Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is 
something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible 
believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of co

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Seems to be an EPIDEMIC of that around here : )[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed my point. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do my thoughts BIND you? LOLSomeone Please, Call out the Thought Police!!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you do and you have done an excellent job of illustrating your view of "freedom in Christ" It, it is just remarkable. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. That way you might stop implying falsehoods like your recent one that I wanted DH banned. That is against every fibre of my being. I believe in freedom Freedom of conscience Freedom of belief Freedom of speech David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is
that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Second ly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such
thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sen t: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary
definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Chr ist is what s aves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there
is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Be lieves he is w orshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his
teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a pa

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

DM says please don't take my comments so personal. You implied that I approved in censoring DH That is a misrepresentation. Do you enjoy being misrepresented? If so is that taking it personal? Perhaps you should read what others post. Perhaps you should read your own posts: DH says I think we would be in a much better position of helping people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that is hindering them. Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul. It does not help him or us. Since you are posting to ME who would this "we" or "us" be? This is not the Precision I would expect from a college professor. Help me out whats the problem. DM says I'm not suggesting that you want to censor DH. If I call the Mormons and say I would like to talk, they only meet with me a few times before they realize they will never convince me and so I never see them again. Do you think I am unable to discuss? I have Mormon friends you can call right now to have a discussion. Want their phone number? They have not cut me off, even though I am dogmatic. Why have all these Mormons you speak of shunned you? DH I have talked with Mormons like DaveH for years without either of us trying to convert the other I hope God rewards you handsomely How will these Mormons think of you as they are cast into hell to suffer for eternity. Knowing you had the Truth as a christian but did not bother to tell them? Thanks Christian! IMO this is not Christian nor Moral behavior! Hellfire I am sure will shed new light on continuing education! I guess I should not be surprised by your cavalier attitude. DM says you seem to be stuck in a "throw out the life preserver" mode. Try to shift gears. Better it is to be stuck in first gear than to be stuck in NUETRAL! "He that winneth souls is wise." Proverbs 11:30
I know my commision Mark 16:15, And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE. David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, please don't take my comments so personal. I'm not suggesting that you want to censor DH. You just don't seem to understand my desire to engage him in dialogue. The extreme
opposite of engaging him in dialoguewould be kicking him off the list, andso I'm explaining why I would not want to do that. You argue about joining Monguls and Mormons as a way of engaging in dialogue with them.I don't want to do that. This is one reason why TruthTalk exists. We can talk with people from diverse backgroundswithout joining them. If I call the Mormons and say I would like to talk, they only meet with me a few times before they realize they will never convince me and so I never see them again. In this forum,I have talked with Mormons like DaveH for years without either of us trying to convert the other. We can discuss truth from our own perspectives,hearing as well as sharingwith one another. This is not love for humanistic philosophy. It is simplycontinuing education. David Miller
- Original Message -From:KevinDeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon aChristian? Just to keep on the up N up I never advocated censoring DH. So why would you mention such in a response to me? This really surprises me. Well you are welcome to DO as you see fit. I do not feel called to UNDERSTAND thru discussionthe lost. This
is just your own personal Humanistic Philosophy. To understand the bikers we minister too, should I join the Monguls? Can one be sure what they learn thru discussions with Mormons isreliable. Since LDS take a DEATH Oath to protect the "secret" things ofMormonism? David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, you seem to be stuck in a "throw out the life preserver" mode. Try to shift gears. Not everything is about saving the lost.For the purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave in discussion. I think we would be in a much better position of helping people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that is hindering them. Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul.
It does not help him or us. Through dialogue, I believe that the truth shines. I am much better equiped talking to Mormons after having been properly educated by guys like Dave and Blaine on this list.DaveH considers himself a Christian. I don't have a problem with that. You do. This difference in terminology is worth discussing. I don't see much difference between a lost Baptist and a lost Mormon. You apparently do.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:36 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?You seem mor

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-13 Thread Dean Moore









- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 9:49:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned 

Are you going Calvinist? ; )
cd: Cute Kevin:-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



cd: The you need to set limits on the authority you give to others-see below- I am only doing the job you asked me to do David. The site is growing again-membership is up/posting is up-are you upset because I am getting resentment from some of Satan's messenger boys? That should be expected by you David as this is exactly what happens on the street when God is working-Satan howls..

And who might these be ???
cd: IfI wanted to identify them I would have put their names in the above: But I suspect you know.Do you consider this to be Ad. Hom? Close to Ad. Hom.? How strong is this Ad. Hom rules in it's present form-as in it ability to protect others from attacks.Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned and some people just love walking into traps?Scary huh:-)


If I knew, Dean, I would not have asked. It certainly is not ad hom ifit is associated with specific persons and/or is on subject. Your disagreement with the owner of this list is not something I find very interesting -- I have not followed it closely enough to be able to judge whether you are on thread or not. I do NOT find it humorous, however, to realize that David has lost control of his own list. I do not mean that as a slam against DM -- it is simply my observation of the situation. 

You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-13 Thread Dean Moore




cd:Concerning our Debate-Try and not bring a unloaded gun to a gun fight.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 10:41:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Actually, he only dreams on this one. There are no traps set. Deanis as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise. The second he was announced "moderator," I, for one knew, exactly what was about to happen.I suspect I was not the only one with this "knowing." Not passing judgment in this post -- just making my observation clear. 

Traps  keep that in mind until after Dean and I have our debate. Should be interesting.  

jd



-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned 

Are you going Calvinist? ; )
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



cd: The you need to set limits on the authority you give to others-see below- I am only doing the job you asked me to do David. The site is growing again-membership is up/posting is up-are you upset because I am getting resentment from some of Satan's messenger boys? That should be expected by you David as this is exactly what happens on the street when God is working-Satan howls..

And who might these be ???
cd: IfI wanted to identify them I would have put their names in the above: But I suspect you know.Do you consider this to be Ad. Hom? Close to Ad. Hom.? How strong is this Ad. Hom rules in it's present form-as in it ability to protect others from attacks.Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned and some people just love walking into traps?Scary huh:-)


If I knew, Dean, I would not have asked. It certainly is not ad hom ifit is associated with specific persons and/or is on subject. Your disagreement with the owner of this list is not something I find very interesting -- I have not followed it closely enough to be able to judge whether you are on thread or not. I do NOT find it humorous, however, to realize that David has lost control of his own list. I do not mean that as a slam against DM -- it is simply my observation of the situation. 

You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to usurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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Huh??? May I suggest that you worry about Dean, on this point, and let me worry about me. I seriously doubt I will be unprepared. 

By the way -- I challenged you because of the assertion that you publically
defeated Bill Taylor  "had him for breakfast - in a whim" The 
way you worded your claimed victory made me think you have very little 
respect for the truths Bill was trying to communicate. Couple that with the 
implied notion that we are the messengers of Satan (did I get that wrong), and 
I thought a debate just might give you a deeper respect for opposing 
opinion. This will not be a "gun fight." Such talk is inappropriate, in 
my opinion. 

Anger or revenge or judgment is the wrong motivation in a debate.
Normally, those who think such things are soundly defeated in public
discussion. You will see, I hope, that I and my friends are 
anything but "Satan's messenger boys," I promise you that. And 
all of this with a measure of obvious grace. 

It is myhope that those who attend the debate, with an open 
mind, will see truth from each respondent. 

jd










-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


cd:Concerning our Debate-Try and not bring a unloaded gun to a gun fight.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 10:41:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Actually, he only dreams on this one. There are no traps set. Deanis as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise. The second he was announced "moderator," I, for one knew, exactly what was about to happen.I suspect I was not the only one with this "knowing." Not passing judgment in this post -- just making my observation clear. 

Traps  keep that in mind until after Dean and I have our debate. Should be interesting.  

jd



-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned 

Are you going Calvinist? ; )
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



cd: The you need to set limits on the authority you give to others-see below- I am only doing the job you asked me to do David. The site is growing again-membership is up/posting is up-are you upset because I am getting resentment from some of Satan's messenger boys? That should be expected by you David as this is exactly what happens on the street when God is working-Satan howls..

And who might these be ???
cd: IfI wanted to identify them I would have put their names in the above: But I suspect you know.Do you consider this to be Ad. Hom? Close to Ad. Hom.? How strong is this Ad. Hom rules in it's present form-as in it ability to protect others from attacks.Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned and some people just love walking into traps?Scary huh:-)


If I knew, Dean, I would not have asked. It certainly is not ad hom ifit is associated with specific persons and/or is on subject. Your disagreement with the owner of this list is not something I find very interesting -- I have not followed it closely enough to be able to judge whether you are on thread or not. I do NOT find it humorous, however, to realize that David has lost control of his own list. I do not mean that as a slam against DM -- it is simply my observation of the situation. 

You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to usurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

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DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite 
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship idols 
too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among them.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term 
Christian.  Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no 
definition for the word Christian.  I see the word as refering to those who 
profess to follow the teaching of Christ.  People can argue about whether 
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another 
debate.  When more than 80% of people in the United States identify 
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very 
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not 
really Christian at all.  Does being a Christian save anybody?  No.  Faith 
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves.  I think that gets lost when we 
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word 
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. 
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out.  Should we expect 
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots?  I don't think so.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly 
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus  Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus 
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to 
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in 
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , 
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that 
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It 
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is 
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save 
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon 
sects are among them.

David Miller.

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RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily

I'd like to hear jd's response to this post.  He keeps acting like his one
little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest
of the Bible. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term 
Christian.  Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no 
definition for the word Christian.  I see the word as refering to those who 
profess to follow the teaching of Christ.  People can argue about whether 
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another 
debate.  When more than 80% of people in the United States identify 
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very 
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not 
really Christian at all.  Does being a Christian save anybody?  No.  Faith 
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves.  I think that gets lost when we

focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word 
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. 
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out.  Should we expect 
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots?  I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly 
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus  Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus 
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to 
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in 
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , 
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that 
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It 
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is 
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save 
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon 
sects are among them.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Kevin, you seem to be stuck in a throw out the life preserver mode.  Try 
to shift gears.  Not everything is about saving the lost.

For the purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave 
in discussion.  I think we would be in a much better position of helping 
people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that is 
hindering them.  Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul.  It does 
not help him or us.  Through dialogue, I believe that the truth shines.  I 
am much better equiped talking to Mormons after having been properly 
educated by guys like Dave and Blaine on this list.

DaveH considers himself a Christian.  I don't have a problem with that.  You 
do.  This difference in terminology is worth discussing.  I don't see much 
difference between a lost Baptist and a lost Mormon.  You apparently do.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a 
christian.
Is the dictionary definition correct or not.

What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal 
torment.

Man overboard!
Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him 
or the red/white?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite 
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols 
too. Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller wrote:
Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among them.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian. Is the dictionary definition correct or not. What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment. Man overboard! Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the red/white?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may
say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what
saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He
follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that iscentered on the idea
that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to savehumanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormonsects are among them.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email
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RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily

If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members do
is an entirely different subject. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite 
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among them.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets.  I'm talking 
about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God.  I was given the left 
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in 
tongues.  Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism has 
something else that many other Christian sects don't have.

What about Roman Catholics?  They recognize several other books of 
Scripture, and they have a much more active prophet than the Mormons, called 
the pope.  Do you think this puts them in a perilous position?

Also, another question for you:  Despite the false prophet and false 
Scripture, is it possible from your perspective for any of the Mormons to be 
saved?  In other words, despite these issues, is a Mormon able to have faith 
in Jesus Christ?  There is nothing in these Scriptures that forbid them from 
applying faith in Christ.  It is a little different than the Qur'an, isn't 
it?

David Miller.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members do
is an entirely different subject. iz

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are.  Some of them worship idols

too.  Do you agree?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that work?

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote:
 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
 Dictionary definition of Christian?

Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
Christian for the Bible believer?

As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?

Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

Chris.tian
noun (plural Chris.tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example

If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among them.

David Miller.

--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


Have we all forgotten that the DM's comments had to do with how to proceed on TT -- and had nothing to do with is or who is not really a Christian.. This should not take any brain power at all -- I understood David to be talking about a show of respect. As he has said -- "Christian" is not a word that presents others with a picture of where any of us spend eternity. There is no biblical argument for the use of this word. and Deegan does not know of the destiny of a single specific person. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian.Is the dictionary definition correct or not.What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment.Man overboard!Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the red/white?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see th
e word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message -
 From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings an
d exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that iscentered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to savehumanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormonsects are among them.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you

RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.

Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - butsuch thinking demands that outcome.

My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris
tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be
pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr
istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them. David Miller. -- "Let your
speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send
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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Interesting take here, JD.  It appears that you think Kevin would never say 
to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, I, brethren, could not speak 
unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 
Is that really what you think?

I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of 
his posts.  Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this.  Have you ever 
told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the 
a, b, c's?  I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Two things:  First,  if you reference David's comments  -  I happen to agree 
with David.

Secondly  --   I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 
3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser.  Such thinking mocks the written word 
and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the 
competing disciples.  Perhaps this cannot be avoided  -  but such thinking 
demands that outcome.

My theology, a biblically based thinking,  allows me the freedom to speak 
the very words written in I Cor 3:1   --  those who disagree relegate this 
passage to history and give it no modern day application.  Sad.

jd

-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one
 little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest
 of the Bible. iz

 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

 Kevin wrote:
  Do you see Jesus  Paul using your
  Dictionary definition of Christian?

 Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
 Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
 definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those 
 who
 profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether
 others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be 
 another
 debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
 themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very
 productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
 really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith
 in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when 
 we

 focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.

 Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word
 Christian for the Bible believer?

 As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the 
 case.
 Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect
 Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.

 David Miller


 - Original Message - 
 From: Kevin Deegan
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?


 Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

 Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is 
 truly
 a Christian!

 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
 3) He follows his teachings and example

 But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
 Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

 David Miller wrote:
 Judy wrote:
  What reason would anyone on TT have
  to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
  a Chr istian?

 Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:

 Chris.tian
 noun (plural Chris.tians)
 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
 Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
 follow his teachings and example

 If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes 
 in
 the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
 Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
 they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
 simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
 centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
 humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the 
 Mormon
 sects are among them.

 David Miller.

--
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how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Undersanding that such language allows for the believer to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin can saythis. Again -- I am simply asking how this verse fits into his theology without throwing it out with the bath water. To date, it does not appear that he can.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think? I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often. David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, M
arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one &
gt; little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote:Do you see Jesus Paul using yourDictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or n
ot, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.
t;David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote:What reason would anyone on TT have
; to assume that a lifelong Mormon is alsoa Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system

Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Just to keep on the up N up I never advocated censoring DH. So why would you mention such in a response to me? This really surprises me.Well you are welcome to DO as you see fit. I do not feel called to UNDERSTAND thru discussionthe lost. This is just your own personal Humanistic Philosophy. To understand the bikers we minister too, should I join the Monguls?Can one be sure what they learn thru discussions with Mormons is reliable. Since LDS take a DEATH Oath to protect the "secret" things of Mormonism? David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, you seem to be stuck in a "throw out the life preserver" mode. Try to shift gears. Not everything is about saving the
lost.For the purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave in discussion. I think we would be in a much better position of helping people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that is hindering them. Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul. It does not help him or us. Through dialogue, I believe that the truth shines. I am much better equiped talking to Mormons after having been properly educated by guys like Dave and Blaine on this list.DaveH considers himself a Christian. I don't have a problem with that. You do. This difference in terminology is worth discussing. I don't see much difference between a lost Baptist and a lost Mormon. You apparently do.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:36 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?You seem more
interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian.Is the dictionary definition correct or not.What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment.Man overboard!Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the red/white?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller
wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy
or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller
wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian

RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Enjoy your Theology [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - butsuch thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.
jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being
Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent
contradiction David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
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And many around here don't know their final destination either![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Have we all forgotten that the DM's comments had to do with how to proceed on TT -- and had nothing to do with is or who is not really a Christian.. This should not take any brain power at all -- I understood David to be talking about a show of respect. As he has said -- "Christian" is not a word that presents others with a picture of where any of us spend eternity. There is no biblical argument for the use of this word. and Deegan does not know of the destiny of a single specific person. jd-- Original message --
 From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian.Is the dictionary definition correct or not.What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment.Man overboard!Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the red/white?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special
 emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see th e word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save
 anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message -  From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly
 believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings an d exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian
 category, as a religious sect that iscentered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to savehumanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormonsects are among them.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf
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I am not going to argue against JD's false characterization of my beliefs David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think?I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often.David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome.My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad.jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one little
loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than
80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus
Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them. David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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Why don't you restate my theology JD Then we can go from there.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Undersanding that such language allows for the believer to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin can saythis. Again -- I am simply asking how this verse fits into his theology without throwing it out with the bath water. To date, it does not appear that he can. jd-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in
fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think? I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often. David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such
scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one gt; little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote:Do you see Jesus Paul using yourDictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Christ or n ot, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. g t;David Miller
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote:What reason would anyone on TT have ; to assume that a
lifelong Mormon is alsoa Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism f

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I already did this -- in a post to David Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime.
I think David believes you can answer the question -- I do not. Prove me wrong. I would have no problem with that.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why don't you restate my theology JD
Then we can go from there.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think? I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often. David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, M
arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one
gt; little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote:Do you see Jesus Paul using yourDictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Chris
t or n ot, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.
g t;David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote:What reason would anyone on TT have
; to assume that a lifelong Mormon is alsoa Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris.tian noun (plural Chris.tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was

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2006-03-13 Thread Dean Moore




cd: Much truth in what you said Kevin.




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From: Kevin Deegan 
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Sent: 3/13/2006 7:35:53 PM 
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And many around here don't know their final destination either![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Have we all forgotten that the DM's comments had to do with how to proceed on TT -- and had nothing to do with is or who is not really a Christian.. This should not take any brain power at all -- I understood David to be talking about a show of respect. As he has said -- "Christian" is not a word that presents others with a picture of where any of us spend eternity. There is no biblical argument for the use of this word. and Deegan does not know of the destiny of a single specific person. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian.Is the dictionary definition correct or not.What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment.Man overboard!Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver to him or the red/white?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols too. Do you agree?David Miller- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?I do not put any special emphasis on using the term christian.Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH is.Call it what you want.FAITH vs IDOL worship?Does that work?David Miller wrote:Kevin wrote: Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us nodefinition for the word Christian. I see th
 e word as refering to those whoprofess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whetherothers actually do follow Christ or not, but that seems to me to be anotherdebate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identifythemselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be veryproductive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are notreally Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faithin the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when wefocus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition.Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word"Christian" for the Bible believer?As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case.Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expectChristianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so.David Miller- Original Message 
-  From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is trulya Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller wrote:Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that JesusChrist was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries tofollow his teachings 
an d exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes inthe teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean thatthey have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. Itsimply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that iscentered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to savehumanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormonsects are among them.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Go ahead a short little one sentence, arestatement of what my belief is on this matter . As you see it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I already did this -- in a post to David Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime. I think David believes you can answer the question -- I do not. Prove me wrong. I would have no problem with that. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why don't you restate my theology JD Then we can go from there.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Undersanding that such language allows for the believer to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin can saythis. Again -- I am simply asking how this verse fits into his theology without throwing it out with the bath water. To date, it does not appear that he can. jd-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think? I'm
not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often. David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, M arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the
competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one gt; little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote:Do you see Jesus Paul using yourDictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Chris t or n ot, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so. g t;David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller wrote: Judy wrote:What reason would anyone on TT have ; to assume that a lifelong Mormon is alsoa Chr istian? Following is how my dictionary defines

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Take I Cor 3:1ff and put that in perspective with your expressed theology on sin and continuing with those who are carnal. You know the question and we all know of your theologyon the matters cited above. But no one knows how you fit I Cor 3:1ff into a present time theology. So, is it a secret? Be responsible for your beliefs and put it out there.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go ahead a short little one sentence, arestatement of what my belief is on this matter . As you see it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I already did this -- in a post to David Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime.
I think David believes you can answer the question -- I do not. Prove me wrong. I would have no problem with that.

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why don't you restate my theology JD
Then we can go from there.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." Is that really what you think? I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to go back and review some of his posts. Better yet, Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever told fellow believers that they were so carnal that you had to go over the a, b, c's? I suspect you have found yourself in this position quite often. David Miller- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, M
arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the whim of the competing disciples. Perhaps this cannot be avoided - but such thinking demands that outcome. My theology, a biblically based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree relegate this passage to history and give it no modern day application. Sad. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one
gt; little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest of the Bible. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Kevin wrote:Do you see Jesus Paul using yourDictionary definition of Christian? Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term "Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no definition for the word Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those who profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People can argue about whether others actually do follow Chris
t or n ot, but that seems to me to be another debate. When more than 80% of people in the United States identify themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me that it would not be very productive to spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not really Christian at all. Does being a Christian save anybody? No. Faith in the person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets lost when we focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its rightful definition. Do you think that there is something holy or special about the word "Christian" for the Bible believer? As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that will be the case. Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned out. Should we expect Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I don't think so
. g t;David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He tru

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From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: Dave
Sent: 3/12/2006 12:57:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
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2006-03-12 Thread ttxpress






On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how 
  much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them 
  "preach" ..[law] these many 
  years? 
  
  jd
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Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

2006-03-12 Thread Dave





We see many Mormon
conversion in SLC.

DAVEH: As was recently asked of you..Perry do you think Judge Dean is speaking the truth here?




  

Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?



DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there
with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two
old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer
to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these
many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's
giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists
for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan
has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also
quote scripture.What was your Point again?

--
Original message -- 
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Do you see Jesus  Paul
using your Dictionary definition of Christian?
  
DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by
TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems
you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the
conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent
to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.
  
Kevin Deegan wrote:
  Do you see Jesus 
Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?

Under this definition then, a
decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!

1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example

But in reality he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Judy
wrote:
 What reason would anyone on TT have
 to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
 a Christian?
  
Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:
  
Christian
noun (plural Christians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example
  
If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who
believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my
perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This
does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of
them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as
a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the
Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within
Christianity, and I think the Mor mon sects are among them.
  
David Miller.

  


  


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I was having a conversation with DH, Dean... you know, similar to your discussion with David in which you speak of "Satan's messengers." My point (?) is obvious, I think. 

jd







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From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: Dave
Sent: 3/12/2006 12:57:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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2006-03-12 Thread ttxpress




won't itbe v 
interesting if DaveH gets 
it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  You are safe, with this, G. I 
  andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get 
  !!
  For the record, I completely 
  disagree with this characterization -- but it is 
  funny.
  
  jd
  
  -- Original message 
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DH -- ..How long have you 
  known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now 
  -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] 
  these many years? 
  
  jd
  ||

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I hereby amend my summary statement.



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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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cd: The you need to set limits on the authority you give to others-see below- I am only doing the job you asked me to do David. The site is growing again-membership is up/posting is up-are you upset because I am getting resentment from some of Satan's messenger boys? That should be expected by you David as this is exactly what happens on the street when God is working-Satan howls..

And who might these be ???
cd: IfI wanted to identify them I would have put their names in the above: But I suspect you know.Do you consider this to be Ad. Hom? Close to Ad. Hom.? How strong is this Ad. Hom rules in it's present form-as in it ability to protect others from attacks.Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned and some people just love walking into traps?Scary huh:-)

If I knew, Dean, I would not have asked. It certainly is not ad hom ifit is associated with specific persons and/or is on subject. Your disagreement with the owner of this list is not something I find very interesting -- I have not followed it closely enough to be able to judge whether you are on thread or not. I do NOT find it humorous, however, to realize that David has lost control of his own list. I do not mean that as a slam against DM -- it is simply my observation of the situation.

You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years?

jd
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cd: Perry confirmed that you probably believed what you wrote-saw a hint of mockers with the pray acceptance-and stated that you more then likely misunderstood what type of prayer we would make for you.
But he has no way of knowing about conversions in SLC. Ask yourself this- why would a person the pushes the commandments that put his life on the line gain due to belief in the one who wrote the commandments gain from lying about a group of pagans?




- Original Message - 
From: Dave 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 11:53:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
We see many Mormon conversion in SLC.DAVEH: As was recently asked of you..Perry do you think Judge Dean is speaking the truth here?



Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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cd: If it is a private conversation them why put it on a public site for all to respond-If it is private then sent it in private or expect to receive the response-duh.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 12:16:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

I was having a conversation with DH, Dean... you know, similar to your discussion with David in which you speak of "Satan's messengers." My point (?) is obvious, I think. 

jd







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From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: Dave
Sent: 3/12/2006 12:57:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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cd: And what authority did he give me John-Youact as if you haveknowledge on the subject- What is my Job as Moderator?




You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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2006-03-12 Thread ShieldsFamily









Just wonderinghow does one usurp
his own authority??? iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:12
PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a
Mormon a Christian?















cd: And what
authority did he give me John-Youact as if you haveknowledge on the
subject- What is my Job as Moderator?



















You have not only put DM on notice, but you
have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !!
Remarkable. 















jd

























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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



won't itbe
v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?











On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably
Lance will be the only ones who get !!





For the record, I completely disagree with this
characterization -- but it is funny.











jd











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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and
Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing
them preach ..[law]
these many years? 











jd





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OK OK If you continue in the face of this to claim to be Christian I will have no choice but to modify my assertions. Mormonism is a CULT of Christianity!The Bible is clear. We are to reject heresy and heretics. Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Heretical teachingscause a group, who call themselves "Christian", to be considered aCULT of Christianity by biblical Christians.CULT: "A group of people, which claiming to be Christian, embraces a particular doctrine system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which system denies either explicitly or implicitly one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian Faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible." (Alan Gomes, Unmasking The Cults, Zondervan,
1995)Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Sure Kevin. You are trying to make the term pagan fit your perceived need to define somebody (me) in a way that differentiates me from you. If you want to use the term pagan as you've defined it below, it seems one prominent condition needs to be met to define one as a pagan. That he worships false gods.interestingly, that they used the term gods as in plural. Since Mormons worship the only true God, they would view themselves not as pagan at all. However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan? Kevin Deegan wrote: Due to your suggestion on Christian
in the dictionary, I now have a problem because to remain consistent I check the definition of Pagan. Since a Pagan can not be a Christian then one can not logically be a member of both groups. This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem? Should we just use selective definitions? Perhaps use just the kinder gentler definitions on a consensus basis? PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is
also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective, Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them.David Miller.--~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan? So you admit that Mormonism worships a different god than thetrinitarian.As for whether or not some LDS leaders consider PAGAN, those who worship a Trinitarian God, it is a forgone conclusion as thay have left numerous quotes! "Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster." (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).
What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." ("Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith," Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 270.)"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."( Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 167
- 1858)Why the silence on what your past PROPHETS have said about Christianitybeing Corrupt as Hell, but you recoil at Mormonism being called PAGAN???Don't Mormons consider Christains Apostates since there was a TOTAL APOSTACY which required a Total RESTORATION thru Joe to correct?"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". ("The Articles of Faith," Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah. P. 182.)"And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches
only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Nephi 14:10).I don't get it Mormons can call Christians the CHURCH of The DEVIL, but forbid it Lord that we would identify LDS as Pagan, Cult or NOT Christian! Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Sure Kevin. You are trying to make the term pagan fit your perceived need to define somebody (me) in a way that differentiates me from you. If you want to use the term pagan as you've
defined it below, it seems one prominent condition needs to be met to define one as a pagan. That he worships false gods.interestingly, that they used the term gods as in plural. Since Mormons worship the only true God, they would view themselves not as pagan at all. However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan? Kevin Deegan wrote: Due to your suggestion on Christian in the dictionary, I now have a problem because to remain consistent I check the definition of Pagan. Since a Pagan can not be a Christian then one can not logically be a member of both groups. This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem? Should we just use selective definitions? Perhaps use just the kinder gentler definitions on a
consensus basis? PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the
teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective, Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them.David Miller.--~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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DH you act like a inosent spelling mistake on TT, is like bloody Chum Bait in Shark infested waters!Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: DangNow I have to adopt G's habit of replying to his own posts! First, let me apologize for posting this prematurely. I started a rough draft and got as far as I did when I decided to spell check it before I went to bed. I quickly hit what I thought was the SPELL CHECK button and instead managed to hit the SEND button! I did this before finishing my draft, and prior to rereading it before posting it. Somy below thoughts are just things that were going through my head and I put them down as quickly as I could type without thinking it through. Nor was I finished. Soif what you read below bothers you, please forgive me, as I don't
know if I would have posted what I wrote below or not. Even if I were to think what I wrote was appropriate (and what I had intended to write), it certainly does not represent my complete thinking on this matter. I was about to go to bed, and figured I'd complete my thoughts tomorrow (and probably editing them quite a bit in the process) before posting them. So...before any TTers jump the gun in responding to what I wrote, I'd request you wait until I finish this up, as I would like to elaborate on what I was thinking at the time of my erroneous post.Dave wrote: DAVEH: Sure Kevin. You are trying to make the term pagan fit your perceived need to define somebody (me) in a way that differentiates me from you. If you want to use the term pagan as you've defined it below, it seems one prominent condition needs to be met to define one as a
pagan. That he worships false gods.interestingly, that they used the term gods as in plural. Since Mormons worship the only true God, they would view themselves not as pagan at all. However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan? Kevin Deegan wrote: Due to your suggestion on Christian in the dictionary, I now have a problem because to remain consistent I check the definition of Pagan. Since a Pagan can not be a Christian then one can not logically be a member of both groups. This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem? Should we just use selective definitions? Perhaps use just the kinder gentler definitions on a consensus basis? PA'GAN, a. Heathen;
heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective, Mormonism falls
into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them.David Miller.--~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. --~~~
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dean, I am fully aware of the public circumstance to posted messages. Why would you think it necessary to explain that to me? Did you miss the point of my reply? Your final comment was a question -- "what is your Point again?" I was just answering that question (I could end with "Duh !!" but I'll let it go)

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


cd: If it is a private conversation them why put it on a public site for all to respond-If it is private then sent it in private or expect to receive the response-duh.




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I was having a conversation with DH, Dean... you know, similar to your discussion with David in which you speak of "Satan's messengers." My point (?) is obvious, I think. 

jd







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DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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Am sorry Dean but I cannot figure this one out. Could you rewrite or something: 


But he has no way of knowing about conversions in SLC. Ask yourself this- why would a person the pushes the commandments that put his life on the line gain due to belief in the one who wrote the commandments gain from lying about a group of pagans?

jd





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cd: Perry confirmed that you probably believed what you wrote-saw a hint of mockers with the pray acceptance-and stated that you more then likely misunderstood what type of prayer we would make for you.
But he has no way of knowing about conversions in SLC. Ask yourself this- why would a person the pushes the commandments that put his life on the line gain due to belief in the one who wrote the commandments gain from lying about a group of pagans?




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We see many Mormon conversion in SLC.DAVEH: As was recently asked of you..Perry do you think Judge Dean is speaking the truth here?



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DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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Well It would appear that the fellow referenced in 1 JN is a modern day "Christian"-Liar! Unfortunately Rev 20 says ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of FireDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 3/10/2006 2:00:16 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian? Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris·tian noun (plural Chris·tians) 1. believer in Jesus
Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIs the below liar a Christian if they claim to be? 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is aliar, and the truth is not in him. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father yewill do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh ofhis own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believesin the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective, Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply
places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think theMormon sects are among them. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts
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Perhaps you need to clarify with DavidM He seemed to be somewhat critical in a recent exchange with you. If I were moderator, Dean, I beleive it would be apparent that the list still belonged to David. I am not so sure that is the case with you , at the present time. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



cd: And what authority did he give me John-Youact as if you haveknowledge on the subject- What is my Job as Moderator?




You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

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Sent: 3/12/2006 7:46:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Am sorry Dean but I cannot figure this one out. Could you rewrite or something: 


But he has no way of knowing about conversions in SLC. Ask yourself this- why would a person the pushes the commandments that put his life on the line gain due to belief in the one who wrote the commandments gain from lying about a group of pagans?

jd
OK John-We have seen many come to God in SLC.My honesty was questioned and in my defense I stated that haveencouraged others to keep God's commandments and have placed my life on the line for the Gospels sake-With this in mind (my Character)would I be prone to lie over such a small matter?





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cd: Perry confirmed that you probably believed what you wrote-saw a hint of mockers with the pray acceptance-and stated that you more then likely misunderstood what type of prayer we would make for you.
But he has no way of knowing about conversions in SLC. Ask yourself this- why would a person the pushes the commandments that put his life on the line gain due to belief in the one who wrote the commandments gain from lying about a group of pagans?




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From: Dave 
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Sent: 3/12/2006 11:53:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
We see many Mormon conversion in SLC.DAVEH: As was recently asked of you..Perry do you think Judge Dean is speaking the truth here?



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DH -- it's time we stop meeting this way. You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen. two old farts fighting nappy time !! 

How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" for low these many years? 

jd
cd: Careful John- Was Christ's giving the wrong mesasage in not converting Judas who as in his mists for three years- We see many Mormon conversion in SLC. Satan has also been around the gospel for an awful long time-and can also quote scripture.What was your Point again?

-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: 
Do you see Jesus  Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mor
 mon sects are among them.David Miller.-- 
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cd: Then respectfully John ,stop speaking like you know the limit and structure of my duties as moderator.I am not after Davids site period-but I will do my duty the best of my ability.If members do others wrong then they should apologize or leave-You of all people should understand this.




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Perhaps you need to clarify with DavidM He seemed to be somewhat critical in a recent exchange with you. If I were moderator, Dean, I beleive it would be apparent that the list still belonged to David. I am not so sure that is the case with you , at the present time. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



cd: And what authority did he give me John-Youact as if you haveknowledge on the subject- What is my Job as Moderator?




You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

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I speak as one who has read David Miller's conversation with you. I know what that exchange was about, Dean. And I know when apologies are due and when false accusation of defeated. 

Let's leave it at that. The conversation was public. David with his critique and you, with your defense. Beyond that, I have only the conduct of the other Moderators as a guide as to what is expected by David Miller, list owner, Beverly Hills, Florida. Your conduct is unique. But that is Miller's concern, not mine. I only comment on that which I know. 

jd



-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


cd: Then respectfully John ,stop speaking like you know the limit and structure of my duties as moderator.I am not after Davids site period-but I will do my duty the best of my ability.If members do others wrong then they should apologize or leave-You of all people should understand this.




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Sent: 3/12/2006 7:48:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

Perhaps you need to clarify with DavidM He seemed to be somewhat critical in a recent exchange with you. If I were moderator, Dean, I beleive it would be apparent that the list still belonged to David. I am not so sure that is the case with you , at the present time. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



cd: And what authority did he give me John-Youact as if you haveknowledge on the subject- What is my Job as Moderator?




You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. 

jd




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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

jd

-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? 

jd
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Well thanks for doing my work for me. Things that are different are not the same.Easter? or Ressurection? Which for you? As for me, I will, Lord willing be preaching at the LDS Easter Pageant you worship a Triune God that you do not fully understand Do you understand the Nuclear Physics that drives the reactor that powers that light bulb when you flick the switch? Does one need to be a Physicist to enjoy the Light? Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem?DAVEH: Sure Kevin. You are trying to make the term pagan fit your perceived need to define somebody
(me) in a way that differentiates me from you. If you want to use the term pagan as you've defined it below, it seems one prominent condition needs to be met to define one as a pagan. That he (the pagan) worships false gods.interestingly, they used the term gods as in plural. Does that mean that a person who worships only one false god does not fall within the definition of pagan? Since Mormons worship the only true God, they would view themselves not as pagan at all. However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan? Is it possible to have a true God that is undefined, or perhaps incorrectly defined? By obfuscating the nature of God as is done in defining him in a trinitarian sense, does it not make knowing God a bit difficult? IOW, can one really know God if he is defined either paradoxically,
or mysteriouslynot to mention incompletely? IMHO, those who adopt a Trinitarian perspective are inadvertently introducing paganism into their theological paradigm. As I've said before, the nature of the T-Doctrine is meant to obfuscate rather than enlighten. I believe it was contrived for political purposes, and in order to bring together a diverse group of believers, it attempts to make deity into a multi faceted person that is obscured by paradox and mystery. Then there is the guilt by association aspect. Do you observe Christmas or Easter celebrations, Kevin? Were they not rooted in pagan holidays? Does participating in such taint one as a pagan? As Judge Dean posed the question.If not why would it be wrong to call one who practices Pagan belief a Pagan?.the answer is that most Christians would think
it silly to presume a guilt by association philosophy in the instance of turning a pagan holiday into a Christian holiday. (Though I think there are some sects that do eschew such holidays due to their pagan roots. I wonder if they consider mainstream Christians to be pagan) Now let me say that just because you worship a Triune God that you do not fully understand or that you might celebrate Christmas Kevin, that does not mean that I consider you to be a pagan. I will let the Lord judge your commitment to himor, whether to other gods, viz. self perceived power, arrogance, pride, self aggrandizement, etc. Your relationship with God is between you and Him, and I don't feel compelled to judge you in that respect. I am not the judge of whether or not you are a Christian, pagan or anything else, except possibly a SPer and member of TT. I do feel pretty
confident making that observation! :-) It appears to me that some TTers who believe I am a pagan have read some anti-Mormon comments that have used comments by other LDS folks to make assumptions about what they think I believe. Sometimes those assumptions are correct, but many times they are not. Ultimately, it seems some folks want to try to draw a line around their perception of what God is to separate those who view God from another perspective on the outside that circleand then call them pagans to isolate them, because they do not fit the profile of one who believes as the person within that circle. I think that pretty well describes the attitude of the folks Jesus referred to in Mt 7:21-23.Kevin Deegan wrote: Due to your suggestion on Christian in the dictionary,
I now have a problem because to remain consistent I check the definition of Pagan. Since a Pagan can not be a Christian then one can not logically be a member of both groups. This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem? Should we just use selective definitions? Perhaps use just the kinder gentler definitions on a consensus basis? PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods. 1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a
Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a

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I did not change definitions as you accuse. Things are not what they SEEM I simply gave you actual dictionary readings, what the dictionary said about PAGANS. If the shoe fits...Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?DAVEH: Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs. Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin. If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definitionplease.Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you see Jesus Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian!1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God3) He follows his teachings and exampleBut in reality he is a hell bound sinner.Help me contextualize, this apparent contradictionDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: What reason would anyone on TT have to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also a Christian?Following is how my dictionary defines a
Christian:Chris·tiannoun (plural Chris·tians)1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and exampleIf we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon sects are among them.David Miller.--~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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So you are running for MODERATerr![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Perhaps you need to clarify with DavidM He seemed to be somewhat critical in a recent exchange with you. If I were moderator, Dean, I beleive it would be apparent that the list still belonged to David. I am not so sure that is the case with you , at the present time. jd-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: And what authority did he give me John-Youact as
 if you haveknowledge on the subject- What is my Job as Moderator?  You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. jd  -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!  For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.jd   
 -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years?
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Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned Are you going Calvinist? ; ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: The you need to set limits on the authority you give to others-see below- I am only doing the job you asked me to do David. The site is growing again-membership is up/posting is up-are you upset because I am getting resentment from some of Satan's messenger boys? That should be expected by you David as this is exactly what happens on the street when God is working-Satan howls..
And who might these be ??? cd: IfI wanted to identify them I would have put their names in the above: But I suspect you know.Do you consider this to be Ad. Hom? Close to Ad. Hom.? How strong is this Ad. Hom rules in it's present form-as in it ability to protect others from attacks.Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned and some people just love walking into traps?Scary huh:-) If I knew, Dean, I would not have asked. It certainly is not ad hom ifit is associated with specific persons and/or is on subject. Your disagreement with the owner of this list is not something I find very interesting -- I have not
followed it closely enough to be able to judge whether you are on thread or not. I do NOT find it humorous, however, to realize that David has lost control of his own list. I do not mean that as a slam against DM -- it is simply my observation of the situation. You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to ursurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable. jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !! For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.jd-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:57:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years? jd ||
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Actually, he only dreams on this one. There are no traps set. Deanis as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise. The second he was announced "moderator," I, for one knew, exactly what was about to happen.I suspect I was not the only one with this "knowing." Not passing judgment in this post -- just making my observation clear.

Traps keep that in mind until after Dean and I have our debate. Should be interesting.

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Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned

Are you going Calvinist? ; )
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You have not only put DM on notice, but you have chosen to usurp the very authority he has give to you !! Remarkable.

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won't itbe v interesting if DaveH gets it,Bro?

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:37:14 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You are safe, with this, G. I andprobably Lance will be the only ones who get !!
For the record, I completely disagree with this characterization -- but it is funny.

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DH -- ..How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now -- after hearing them "preach" ..[law] these many years?

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