Re: [TruthTalk] what passes for christian these days
On Sunday, February 12, 2006, 450 mainstream Christian churches held a massive celebration of Charles Darwins birthday. The celebration involved programs and sermons to emphasize that Darwins theory of evolution is compatible with faith, and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science. The special day to honor the atheist Darwin was called Evolution Sunday and involved Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist, and many other churches. The Seattle Times, Feb. 12, 2006, by Lisa Anderson, Seattle, WA.In Britain an Anglican vicar is providing a twice-monthly service for the Goths in his parish, complete with rock music and compulsory black garments. The vicar, Martin Ramshaw of Cambridge, says that he himself is a Goth. After the candle-lit service and prayers, they all go to a local nightclub for an event named The Calling. AFP News, Jan. 19, 2006, London, England, U.K. In Boston, Massachusetts, a priest who calls himself Father Patrick Gray holds special meetings called Theology On Tap at M.J. OConnors Irish Pub. Advertised with the slogans: Meet New People, Eat Great Food, Think Deep Thoughts, Drink Good Beer. Theology on Tap, The Church of the Advent, Boston, MA.The Vatican official, Monsignor Walter Brandmuller, head of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Science has started a Judas Iscariot rehabilitation campaign. Vatican scholars have stated that Judas did nothing wrong and that he was simply a disciple who was misunderstood! Brandmuller said, It is time to see the disciple, Judas Iscariot, in a more sympathetic light. The Sunday Herald Sun, Jan. 15, 2006, by Bryan Patterson, Melbourne, Australia. In Mark 14:21 the Lord Jesus said, The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! Good were it for that man if he had never been born.http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113649645107138940-Ku05eyOWs5xFbqD33aaAarliwqo_20060112.html?mod=blogsMinisters Say They Blessed Seats Ahead of Alito Hearinghttp://atheism.about.com/b/a/234075.htmhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1564067/postsHooters to receive blessing from priestMonsignor Isidore Rozycki, the head Catholic priest for the Greater Waco area, plans to bless the chain's newest location Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Kevin Deegan wrote: So back to your question what specific "behavior" do you want me to comment on? What are their "ANTICS" as you put it? DAVEH: Waving underwear seems to be an antic, to me. Why does the City (LDS Mayor, LDS city Board) think they need to PROTECT the SP's from the Mormons? DAVEH: You'd have to ask him, Kevin. If you read his words, and didn't understand them, why ask me to comment on something I didn't read? Ehat does that say about LDS? DAVEH: All I know about Ehat is that he (along with Cook) compiled THE WORDS OF JOSEPH SMITH. Other than that, I don't know what Ehat's comments were regarding LDS. On the other hand Maybe they do want to PROTECT the LDS from the SP's As the local Newspaper put it "MUZZLE" More than a few times. The real problem is the BIBLE offends Mormons. It is the Biggest ANTI book. Just Like the bible says Heb 12:19 "which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more" They Intreat, PLEASE NO MORE, get that old black book out of here! -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Kevin Deegan wrote: The Bible says "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" Do you have contradictory Further revelation, Dave? DAVEH: I agree.judgment will follow death. I just believe it will happen after the Millennium for most. When do you think the judgment takes place, Kevin? Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Hansen Lance Muir wrote: Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the 'whole' Christian Church. DAVEH: Are there any of the big box Protestant churches that see it that way, Lance? I'm not sure if I understand your answer.are there any denominations that support that position, or are you referring to individual believers that think the Lord will be merciful to those who die without hearing the gospel? One's fate is not cast by one hearing or not hearing the gospel...it is cast by one's believing it or not believing it. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Just like it says After Death! And some will be cast into Hell "Don't employ lawyers, or pay them money for their knowledge, for I have learned that they don't know anything. I know more than they all" J Smith History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 289 "No man can learn you more than what I have told you." J Smith Times and Seasons, Vol. 5, p. 614 "I combat the errors of ages; I meet the violence of mobs; I cope with illegal proceedings from executive authority; I cut the gordian knot of powers, and I solve mathematical problems of universities, with truth-diamond truth; and God is my 'right hand man'."J Smith HC Vol. 6, p. 78 Since No Man can Learn Us more, let's go to the source see what Joe has to say about the hereafter! "Hell is by no means the place this world of fools suppose it to be, but on the contrary, it is quite an agreeable place ." Joe Smith The Nauvoo Expositor, June 7, 1844 http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/kingfolletsermon.htm# Joe Smith said: "until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world" "Here, then, is eternal lifeto know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." BIBLE WARNS OF HELL MT 25 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. MT 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world HOW A CHRISTIAN PREACHER SEES IT "There will be no end to this exquisite horrible misery. When you look forward, you shall see a long for ever, a boundless duration before you, which will swallow up your thoughts, and amaze your soul; and you will absolutely despair of ever having any deliverance, any end, any mitigation, any rest at all. You will know certainly that you must wear out long ages, millions of millions of ages, in wrestling and conflicting with this almighty merciless vengeance; and then when you have so done, when so many ages have actually been spent by you in this manner, you will know that it is but a point to what remains. So that your punishment will indeed be infinite" Jonathan Edwards Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, pp. 28, 29Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: The Bible says "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" Do you have contradictory Further revelation, Dave?DAVEH: I agree.judgment will follow death. I just believe it will happen after the Millennium for most. When do you think the judgment takes place, Kevin? Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Hansen Lance Muir wrote:Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...thereis no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the'whole' Christian Church.DAVEH: Are there any of the big box Protestant churches that see it that way, Lance? I'm not sure if I understand your answer.are there any denominations that support that position, or are you referring to individual believers that think the Lord will be merciful to those who die without hearing the gospel?One's fate is not cast by one hearing or not hearing the gospel...it is cast by one's believing it or not believing it.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Without a clear picture of what you are talking about it is hard to comment on supposed actions of some SP's Dave are you acussing these SP's of sin?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC?DAVEH: No, I don't recall being offended by that. I'm sure some LDS folks are, but I'm not your typical Mormon boy. If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. DAVEH: GoodI'm glad that is straightened out, Perry. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement. DAVEH: ??? You are losing me on this, Perry. How did I stereotype the street preachers? I thought I had qualified them as some, or such, with each post where I spoke of them protesting in SLC. Did I forget to do that on any of my posts? If soI did it inadvertently. DaveH, I am referring to the following statement: "I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics." I am not saying that there are not any street preachers that act rudely someimes. I am saying that the statement you made above appears to lump all street preachers into one group, i. e., those who you feel have a (negative) impact on Christianity because of their "antics". I was simply pointing this out so that you, and others, would not begin to get the negative impression that "street preachers", in general, are all rude.DAVEH: I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't mean to portray all street preachers as from the same mold. Often, I tried to qualify my comments as some of the street preachers, to denote that I'm not implying all of them are the way I'm discussing. In the post you quoted above, the only qualifier I used was the, which I think you took as all, but I meant it to imply the specific ones creating the controversy. I should have been more clearmy apologies to any street preachers who feel I've impugned them unfairly. That is how stereotyping begins, and I would like to nip it in the bud, so to speak. By and in large, street preachers have been called to do God's work in many ways and places that most of us would never dare to do or go. Do you understand what I am saying? DAVEH: Sure..and, do you understand what I'm saying? IMHO, being a Christian bears a responsibility to act like a Christian. If the actions of Christians betray the perceptions of what non-Christians have been told Christianity represents, I wonder what message they are hearing. So Perry...back to my question. Do you think the street preachers who go out of their way to create controversy, ever consider the effect their antics may have on the non-believers? And as a related question, do other street preachers (who do not go to the extremes in their preaching) ever cringe when they see the actions of the more rude SPs? Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Is contention of the DEVIL as LDS say? Is NON contention a Binlical Mandate or just a LDS one? Is NON contention a TT rule or just a personal preference?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: So Perry, am I to understand from your below comments, that as long as I remain LDS and a TTer, you will not be willing to discuss theology without contention?I've heard it said that LDS folks are cliquish, and don't mix well with other Christians. Have you ever wondered why? Anddo you think LDS folks should mix with other Christians, or would you prefer they stay segregated? Just curious, PerryCharles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, I know you did not address your response to me, but when you talk about "some TTrs" below, I am probablyi n that group and would like to clarify one thing. From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be /peace /between some TTers and me, or will the contention simply escalate with time? I personally am at peace with you. You know from our off-line discussions that, although I ride rough with your beliefs at times, I respect and love you as an individual. I would sit down to dinner with you anytime, as I offered to do when you were last in Southern CA. It is not you with which I have no peace...it is the pagan system you are in, and the pain I feel when I see you feeding it to others on this forum who may not be aware of it's pagan and occultic nature. Many many people have been lured by it's fuzzy exterior, being led to believe that they are entering a Christian religion, only to be programmed to accept a false god and false jesus, and the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords, names, and penalties they are told they will suffer if they reveal the secret pagan rituals of the temple. Perry-- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: I generally do not discuss outside the temple, that which we do in the temple, other than to acknowledge some of the ordinances and the reasons we do them. As you may appreciate, even when not directly discussing these matters in TT, there seems to be great enthusiasm by some to discredit LDS theology, and disparage those of us who practice it. What would be the point of me sharing my beliefs with you or other TTers? While it may satisfy your curiosity, more likely it would invite some to attack me for what I believe. And...why would you think I should do that? Would TTers treat me any kinder or respect me more, should I answer questions pertaining to that which I view as sacred? From my past and current experiences in TTI sadly do not think so. :-( Mornin' Dave. I just read what you wrote above, and a couple of thoughts crossed my mind. The first is that every Christian can expect to be mocked or persecuted for telling others what they believe. The next was that we are told to be ready anytime, anywhere to tell anyone what we believe, and finally, we are to let our light shine, not hide it under a bushel. If you believe that you have the truth, tell it. Be ready to defend your position if it is defensable. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Maybe you can tell me if street preachers who push the envelope ever pre-consider the effect their actions may have on the non-believers? I'd like to think that they give careful thought as to how the Lord wants them to preach. Do you know if they do, Kevin? LOL.sounds like he may be a little mentally unbalanced, eh. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVE I have read your comments below. You seem to think we are a bad witness. DAVEH: Did I say that? I probably don't use witness in quite the same way as you would. I would probably substitute representative for witness. But KevinI'm just thinking out loud on this, and may well be wrong in my summation. Maybe you can tell me if street preachers who push the envelope ever pre-consider the effect their actions may have on the non-believers? I'd like to think that they give careful thought as to how the Lord wants them to preach. Do you know if they do, Kevin? First you would have to give me a example of "pushing the envelope" or else it would just be conjecture. Here is just a part of exactly what goes on at GC. How do you feel about the LDS HIGH PRIEST who was arrested for Assualt Battery (a Felony) He accosted a very small man. The High Priest then told on the news how he could have flattened him since he knew Karate LOL.sounds like he may be a little mentally unbalanced, eh. But he has a Temple Recommend and is a High Priest Don't they check these guys out. With a prophet and all The prophet should spot them in a minute if What else is a prophet SEER and REVELATOR for? My Pastor never acts like that, what gives? High Priest? (striking disqaulifies see Bible) Thugs do not make good priests. How about all the gutter language I have to endure from Priesthood holders coming to thier special meeting? Care to see some R rated video of these "gods in Embryo"? Now what EXACTLY is the behavior that you are talking about from SP's? DAVEH: The LDS examples you mentioned above sound in the wrong, if you've described the situation accurately. (I assume you were there?) Anyway, there are certainly LDS folks who have failed to act in a Christian manner, and I am not trying to make any excuses for their (bad) behavior. In fact, it saddens me when I see any Christian acting unChristian likeespecially if it is a fellow LDS person behaving as such. If it would make you feel better, I'll even apologize for their unruly actions, as it is not in keeping with the tenets of the LDS Church, as I understand them. In viewing the clips you posted of the SPs, it seemed to me that most of the LDS folks were rather calm and reserved as they passed by the shouting SPers. It did not appear as though any were unruly or agitated to action by what the SPers were saying, or doing. Yes...I realize that those clips were incomplete, and may not have caught some of the actions you mentioned above. Butin the general appearance of the situations, there appeared to be relative peace and calmness, which I would think is the way most LDS folks would want it to be. YES I am an eyewitness both of the continued Filthy language and of the HIGH PRIEST who assaulted that young man from behind and actually dragged him down the sidewalk in a choke hold. Why did LDS folks set up a contribution mechanism and pay his legal bills? Seems they are for his cause (assualt) I mentioned that these clips are the absolute WORST that the LDS could find. With all the cameras. Security is miked there are guys just doing camera video all the time There are guys with Telephoto. There are pictures taken from what I would think is the Church office building (only tall building with a view the look down angle) news crew cameras. NOW with all this available video this is the WORST they could find? There have been stories of "BREAKING up Temple weddings, calling Brides Whores on Local TV and across the nation world Dec Probably 2002. Where is the video? Thetre was news crews there. I have video too lets compare mine to theirs. Yes most LDS act fine. BUT I do go to other church groups and I must say I have never experienced anything like the amount of Filthy language as at LDS events Any idea why? Never seen any assaults at other "spiritual" events I have seen a number of assaults and physical attacks at different LDS events. Why? Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH: No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH: ??? How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper. Is that Tale Bearing? How do you feel about repeating what you heard and did not witness? Aren't both papers and at least one TV station wholly owned by thye CHURCH? As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it.DAVEH: I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin. But.Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Kevin Deegan wrote: Without a clear picture of what you are talking about it is hard to comment on supposed actions of some SP's Dave are you acussing these SP's of sin? DAVEH: No Kevin, nor do I recall doing soDo you think I did? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? DAVEH: No, I don't recall being offended by that. I'm sure some LDS folks are, but I'm not your typical Mormon boy. If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. DAVEH: GoodI'm glad that is straightened out, Perry. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement. DAVEH: ??? You are losing me on this, Perry. How did I stereotype the street preachers? I thought I had qualified them as some, or such, with each post where I spoke of them protesting in SLC. Did I forget to do that on any of my posts? If soI did it inadvertently. DaveH, I am referring to the following statement: "I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics." I am not saying that there are not any street preachers that act rudely someimes. I am saying that the statement you made above appears to lump all street preachers into one group, i. e., those who you feel have a (negative) impact on Christianity because of their " antics". I was simply pointing this out so that you, and others, would not begin to get the negative impression that "street preachers", in general, are all rude. DAVEH: I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't mean to portray all street preachers as from the same mold. Often, I tried to qualify my comments as some of the street preachers, to denote that I'm not implying all of them are the way I'm discussing. In the post you quoted above, the only qualifier I used was the, which I think you took as all, but I meant it to imply the specific ones creating the controversy. I should have been more clearmy apologies to any street preachers who feel I've impugned them unfairly. That is how stereotyping begins, and I would like to nip it in the bud, so to speak. By and in large, street preachers have been called to do God's work in many ways and places that most of us would never dare to do or go. Do you understand what I am saying? DAVEH: Sure..and, do you understand what I'm saying? IMHO, being a Christian bears a responsibility to act like a Christian. If the actions of Christians betray the perceptions of what non-Christians have been told Christianity represents, I wonder what message they are hearing. So Perry...back to my question. Do you think the street preachers who go out of their way to create controversy, ever consider the effect their antics may have on the non-believers? And as a related question, do other street preachers (who do not go to the extremes in their preaching) ever cringe when they see the act ions of the more rude SPs? Perry ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:35:16 -0500 Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the 'whole' Christian Church. Nor is any other doctrine. Perry (a.k.a. Charles) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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The Bible says "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" Do you have contradictory Further revelation, Dave?Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Lance Muir wrote:Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...thereis no second chance.' This is not a universally held position within the'whole' Christian Church.DAVEH: Are there any of the big box Protestant churches that see it that way, Lance? I'm not sure if I understand your answer.are there any denominations that support that position, or are you referring to individual believers that think the Lord will be merciful to those who die without hearing the gospel?One's fate is not cast by one hearing or not hearing the gospel...it is cast by one's believing it or not believing it.--~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH: No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH: ??? How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper. Is that Tale Bearing? How do you feel about repeating what you heard and did not witness? DAVEH: Much of what I have heard was on TT, and some was on the net. Were you in TT when Carroll/Dean and Rubin were here? We had more than a few discussions about it back then. Yes but Question was, How do you feel about repeating stories? Does it seem as you put it particularly "Christian"? Aren't both papers and at least one TV station wholly owned by thye CHURCH? DAVEH: I don't think the SLTrib is owned by the Churchbut I don't know for sure. Is that one of the papers to which you are referring? SL Trib DESERET. There was a big Hullabalou when the purchased the second paper it even went to court and FFC. I happen to know that certain editors will not allow certain coverage pertaining to SP's As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it.DAVEH: I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin. But.Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an effort to embarrass meet your criteria of vile? Is it SIN? DAVEH: I suppose that depends on your definition. Question is WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION? WHAT IS THE BEHAVIOR?. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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It's good to have a little comic relief on TT. Thanks to both of you. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 21, 2005 12:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH: No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH: ??? How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper. Is that Tale Bearing? How do you feel about repeating what you heard and did not witness? DAVEH: Much of what I have heard was on TT, and some was on the net. Were you in TT when Carroll/Dean and Rubin were here? We had more than a few discussions about it back then. Yes but Question was, How do you feel about repeating stories? Does it seem as you put it particularly "Christian"? Aren't both papers and at least one TV station wholly owned by thye CHURCH? DAVEH: I don't think the SLTrib is owned by the Churchbut I don't know for sure. Is that one of the papers to which you are referring? SL Trib DESERET. There was a big Hullabalou when the purchased the second paper it even went to court and FFC. I happen to know that certain editors will not allow certain coverage pertaining to SP's As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it.DAVEH: I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin. But.Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an effort to embarrass meet your criteria of vile? Is it SIN? DAVEH: I suppose that depends on your definition. Question is WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION? WHAT IS THE BEHAVIOR?. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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SUBJECT Bearing False Witness I will keep that in mind when I read your posts.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good to have a little comic relief on TT. Thanks to both of you. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 21, 2005 12:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there?DAVEH: No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH: ??? How so, Kevin? BY repeating "stories" you have heard even if it was in the "news"paper. Is that Tale Bearing? How do you feel about repeating what you heard and did not witness? DAVEH: Much of what I have heard was on TT, and some was on the net. Were you in TT when Carroll/Dean and Rubin were here? We had more than a few discussions about it back then. Yes but Question was, How do you feel about repeating stories? Does it seem as you put it particularly "Christian"? Aren't both papers and at least one TV station wholly owned by thye CHURCH? DAVEH: I don't think the SLTrib is owned by the Churchbut I don't know for sure. Is that one of the papers to which you are referring? SL Trib DESERET. There was a big Hullabalou when the purchased the second paper it even went to court and FFC. I happen to know that certain editors will not allow certain coverage pertaining to SP's As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it.DAVEH: I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin. But.Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an effort to embarrass meet your criteria of vile? Is it SIN? DAVEH: I suppose that depends on your definition. Question is WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION? WHAT IS THE BEHAVIOR?. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today!
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TERRY SAYS The first is that every Christian can expect to be mocked or persecuted for telling others what they believe. The next was that we are told to be ready anytime, anywhere to tell anyone what we believe, and finally, we are to let our light shine, not hide it under a bushel. If you believe that you have the truth, tell it. Be ready to defend your position if it is defensable. In addition the LDS god promises to confound the enemies of the church http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/71 Wherefore, confound your enemies call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest. Vs 1 it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel LDS must be missionaries to the Mutes of America. They don't open thier mouth in spite of the command, because the god of Mormon is a pipsquaek. Try him see if he will show. Must be the LDS are not faithful so their god has not confounded the SP's but has confounded the LDS. Remember the Promise vs 9 NO WEAPON formed against you LDS will prosper. You have the Word of Josephs god.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: I generally do not discuss outside the temple, that which we do in the temple, other than to acknowledge some of the ordinances and the reasons we do them. As you may appreciate, even when not directly discussing these matters in TT, there seems to be great enthusiasm by some to discredit LDS theology, and disparage those of us who practice it. What would be the point of me sharing my beliefs with you or other TTers? While it may satisfy your curiosity, more likely it would invite some to attack me for what I believe. And...why would you think I should do that? Would TTers treat me any kinder or respect me more, should I answer questions pertaining to that which I view as sacred? From my past and current experiences in TTI sadly do not think so. :-( Mornin' Dave. I just read what you wrote above, and a couple of thoughts crossed my mind. The first is that every Christian can expect to be mocked or persecuted for telling others what they believe. The next was that we are told to be ready anytime, anywhere to tell anyone what we believe, and finally, we are to let our light shine, not hide it under a bushel.If you believe that you have the truth, tell it. Be ready to defend your position if it is defensable.Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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You have groups two different people. You have the hypocrites and you have the invalidators. They are not necessarily the same monster. -- slade -Original Message-From:ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 23.39Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Keep in mind that Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the orthodox theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate Gods Word. Izzy From: Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:44 PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I agree. The message threatened the Sadducean leadership. What would happen to their tenuous hold on the Temple Service when there was no legitimate claim to the High Priesthood? The Messiah, according to tradition, would be able to straighten the whole mess out. In fact, John Hyrcanus (I think) said he and his descendants would manage the High Priesthood until a prophet would come to tell the Judeans who had proper claim. Imaging the stress between a legitimate High Priest and the Romans who controlled the land, gave the Sadducees their power, and controlled access to the garments of the High Priest! No wonder they tried to find false witnesses to speak against Him. -- slade
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
We
didn't need our dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are
very interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die
without a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie
SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.03To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
[Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them
up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by
the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a
certain direction...)
I
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily pass in
any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are
much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of
such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our
own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left
hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was
sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first
spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be
sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely
and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm
willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy
below).
Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a
message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in
our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds
of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by
other means.
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher
ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow.
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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There
are also lots of them in jails.
When I
worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many
of them were indeed possessed.
Oh,
boy, this can raise lots of questions...
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005
17.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Speaking of whichare
there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic? Today
while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside
our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so
loud. Security had to deal with her. She was talking about God and
at first I thought it was a street preacher. J I felt so
sorry for her. Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has
worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has
these spells when she stops taking her meds. (Typical of
schizophrenics.) Its such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems
to affect most of the homeless who arent just junkies.
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Wednesday,
January 19, 2005 8:02 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
They aren't much into
"testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking
medications that can help take the voices
away
K.
-Original
Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005
08.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
As long as you agree that sheep are representative
of Christians.
Sheople today will follow any
voiceSlade
Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Au contraire,
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday,
18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip
either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect
analogy!
- Original Message
-
From:
Slade Henson
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who
has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to
the fold by chasing and screaming at her.
-
slade
-Original
Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent:
Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What
is a Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go
round.
Would you agree
Dave?
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Why is it that schizophrenic paranoids are always talking about scriptures/God? Has always seemed very demonic to me. So how do drugs modulate demonsso its gotta be a physical chemical thing. There are so many unknown elements that we dont yet understand, and might not until His return. In my nursing psych rotation we were at the state mental hospital, which made One Flew Over the Coocoos Nest look like a tea party. Lots of evil stuff going on there. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:57 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? There are also lots of them in jails. When I worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many of them were indeed possessed. Oh, boy, this can raise lots of questions... Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.31 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Speaking of whichare there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic? Today while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so loud. Security had to deal with her. She was talking about God and at first I thought it was a street preacher. J I felt so sorry for her. Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has these spells when she stops taking her meds. (Typical of schizophrenics.) Its such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems to affect most of the homeless who arent just junkies. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? They aren't much into testing the spirits any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking medications that can help take the voices away K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians. Sheople today will follow any voice Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either! Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message- From:Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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The
kind you eat! :)
Kay
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
08.08To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
How sad!!! We need
sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase
squirrels. She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very
un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting scarves!
What kind did you have/are you going to get? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Thursday,
January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
We didn't need our
dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very
interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without a
'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many things
we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005
17.03To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
[Debbie] Don't
yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog
bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does
the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain
direction...)
I wonder if it's
possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any
theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we
are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the
value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other
than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with
your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our
right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything
without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over
tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout
NAm cultural norms fairly
routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can
do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected
analogy below).
Maybe inBible
times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out
in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by
ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political
demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other
means.
Someone might want
to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the
earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the
analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original
Message-From: Slade
Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Au contraire,
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday,
18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip
either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect
analogy!
- Original Message
-
From:
Slade Henson
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who
has raised sheep knows you can't get
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Good Morning Bill: I believe that everything you say belowis true in the natural sense but Jesus was usingthe natural to explain spiritual realities and because the scriptures can not contradict - I have tobelieve that everyone has had their namewritten in the Lamb's Book of Life since before the foundation of the world (because God is not a respecter of any man's person). However,the ones who remain are those who hear the call, agree with God and choose His Way which is the strait gate and the narrow path. The wheat and tares are two kinds of wisdom, one from God and the other sowed by an enemy.In reading this parable it is explained how the wheat seed (read Word of God) is sown in some hearts where it can notgrow or bear fruit because of various problems, whereas the seeds of the enemy have no problem for them to grow it's just "go with the flow" jht On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:48:57 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Judy: Would you agree that goats are born goats and will die goats?And likewise, sheep are always sheep and they don't turn into goats? And have you noticed in the parable of tares and wheat that the tares are tares fromthe time they germinate (i.e, from the day they are conceived)until that day whenthe reapers come to burn them? And in the parable the same holds true for wheat -- from beginning to end, wheat is wheat, and wheat doesn't change composition along the way and suddenly become a tare? What do you make of this? Just curious, Bill From: Judy Taylor That one may have been out in the pigpen for a season but the very fact that he is called a"sheep" and not agoat is defining. Remember Jesusspoke to lost sheep of the house of Israel and Israel was a Covenant nation. Today we are dealing with the Kingdom of God and there is only one way in which is by way of the Chief Shepherd. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:18:35 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think so...the one sheep was "lost". Kay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! From: Slade Henson What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganI have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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Judy Taylor wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ, the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for.I don'tsee Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering inpublicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures.People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to makea rational choice.snip JD: It is amazing to me just how often you miss the point. Anyway - the point is this: Christ helped to create an audience . DavidM wrote that street preaching was something like priming the pump for other s (preacher or teachers). But, if you will -- go back in the archieves and find that post where I lay into Kevin for anything except rudeness -- and I don't recall doing that. His exhanges with Dave H, as well as Perry's, have been informative -- interesting read for me. If DaveH is not complaining, and he is not, then my lips are sealed. I don't respond to the Mormon postings because Mormonism, at its base, is off the mark. I hastened to add that my mother-in-law is Mormon and saved. I have accepted DaveH's claim to the Christ -- for what it is worth. For the record, there is no such thing as a right church. Grace - unmerited favor, Christ dying for us while we were yet sinners works for individuals and churches for the very same reason. Consider the first church's example FROM THE BEGINNING; immature, but zealous; often confused on issue; divided but united --- all the reasons given for "starting over" existed IN THE FIRST CHURCH -- RIGHT OFF THE BAT. But I respect their faith (DH And Blaine). I just think the reason for their church is not a good one. By the way, I feel the same about Baptists, RCC, Assemply, and so on. John jt: So you just see Mormonism as a "different church?" Has your mother-in-law renounced the works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that system? You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement above.His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need tocall things what they are. DAVEH: Thank you for speaking your heart in what you've posted, Kay. Do you think my long term presence in TT and my prolonged resistance to heed the warnings of most TTers validates those who feel the need to raise their voices (so to speak) when they try to penetrate my thick skull? IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be peace between some TTers and me, or will the contention simply escalate with time? Ifyou can't see the problem then possibly you are deceived in this area also John andneed to do your homework. We have no authority to pronounce people"saved" It has to be between them and the Lord. all we can do is point them to "The Way" and encourage them in it -We canstand in faith for ourselves butuntil Jesus declares (at the end) those who belong to him - we speak presumptuously. jt -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:16 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for. I don't see Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering in publicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures. People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to make a rational choice. snip I can understand why you would not see any value in "friendship evangelism." As far as missing that point in the life of Christ -- "friendship evangelism" probably consituted the vast majority of His day. jt: I see this in his relationship with the disciples but not in his every day interaction with the people around him, in fact scripture says the opposite "When he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men and needed not that any should testify of man for he knew what was in man (Jn 2:23-25) So I'm reading that he didn't commit himself to these people because he knew what was in them .. Hebrews says that he kept himself separate from sinners. So how do you figure he was involved in Friendship Evangelism? Isa 58:9-11 is what I am talking about -- but since your paradigm rises out of the ashes of rage against the enemy -- you probably missed that point as well. jt: John where do you get the idea that I am angry with people? Isa 58:9-11 is primarly for Israel, the prophet is to cry out, spare not, and lift up his voice to the house of Jacob Vs.1 - what point were you making with it? Where you got "friendship evangelism" from what I posted is also, revealing. You seem to enjoy making up stuff and then treating such "opinions" as bastard theology while pretending that you have some corner on grace and peace. jt: Why such accusation John and why do you always assume the worst. I use that term because it is a current fad in Christendom and it appeared to me that this is what you were talking about. If I misunderstood then please forgive me. JD: It is amazing to me just how often you miss the point. Anyway - the point is this: Christ helped to create an audience . DavidM wrote that street preaching was something like priming the pump for other s (preacher or teachers). But, if you will -- go back in the archieves and find that post where I lay into Kevin for anything except rudeness -- and I don't recall doing that. His exhanges with Dave H, as well as Perry's, have been informative -- interesting read for me. If DaveH is not complaining, and he is not, then my lips are sealed. I don't respond to the Mormon postings because Mormonism, at its base, is off the mark. I hastened to add that my mother-in-law is Mormon and saved. I have accepted DaveH's claim to the Christ -- for what it is worth. For the record, there is no such thing as a right church. Grace - unmerited favor, Christ dying for us while we were yet sinners works for individuals and churches for the very same reason. Consider the first church's example FROM THE BEGINNING; immature, but zealous; often confused on issue; divided but united --- all the reasons given for "starting over" existed IN THE FIRST CHURCH -- RIGHT OFF THE BAT. But I respect their faith (DH And Blaine). I just think the reason for their church is not a good one. By the way, I feel the same about Baptists, RCC, Assemply, and so on. John jt: So you just see Mormonism as a "different church?" All denominations were started for the same reason - to present (finally) the right church to a confused world. Has your mother-in-law renounced the works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that system? My M-I-L has done all that she can emotionally handle. She is a little old lady with absolutely no background in theology, including her own church's, born and raised "Mormon," and scared to death to make that break. The only question of import is the very question that does not come to your mind -- has she accepted Jesus Christ into her life? The anwser to that is yes. It is heresy to believe that this is not enough. If the Jewish church hung onto their Faith in total, so can she. You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement above. An unimportant comment. His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need to call things what they are Romans 14:4. If
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I can relate to that, as believing and telling myself Gods Word over many years delivered me from tremendous depression and self hatred. When my sons were very young I used to wake lock myself in the closet in the middle of the night to cry so no one would hear. Praise God, apart from Whom Id be living in the coocoos nest myself. I have sown with tears and reaped with joy. My heart goes out to those who are still in the lurch. Some of us here on TT no doubt. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? jt: No I don't believe that a believer can be completely demon possessed. I'd say she was extremely oppressed. She was diagnosed as manic depressive. A lot of negativity and fear goes along with that too. When she first committed her life to the Lord she went for counselling at the Church we went to and the counsellor there told her she was the most negative person he had ever met in his life (and he was a senior citizen). Early on when she would have these depressive attackshis (the counsellor's)wife would meet herin the parking lot and they would just walkand quote scripture, it helped and later as her mind was renewed more in God's Word she learned to feed herself and the bad times became less frequent. It's like when that evil spirit was oppressing King Saul - it would come on him and he would act crazy but then David would come and play anointed music on the harp and the spirit would leave for a season but it always returned because God had removed his hand from Saul. I don't believe God does that with the average believer but he expects us to grow and to learn how to stand. On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:41:28 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So your believing friend was demon possessed? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor jt: It is demonic and it happens because the enemy wants the world to know that the whole God thing is an embarrassment and is just for crazy people. Drugs don't phasea spirit; what they do is put the person into a type of catatoniaso that the spirits can notmanifest as they would like but as soon as the personstops their medication there is invariably an outbreak. These people have a breach in the spirit and are like cities with walls broken down. My friend (who incidentally is a believer) was insuch torment that she would just continually pace, couldn't sit and couldn'tbe at rest and she had no peace.She told me that the medication made her feel likeshe was wrapped in cotton padding - sheand could feel nothing and didn't have much control over her thoughts; it was like being in limbo,she had no emotions - just felt like a walking dead person. On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:12:44 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Why is it that schizophrenic paranoids are always talking about scriptures/God? Has always seemed very demonic to me. So how do drugs modulate demonsso its gotta be a physical chemical thing. There are so many unknown elements that we dont yet understand, and might not until His return. In my nursing psych rotation we were at the state mental hospital, which made One Flew Over the Coocoos Nest look like a tea party. Lots of evil stuff going on there. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson There are also lots of them in jails. When I worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many of them were indeed possessed. Oh, boy, this can raise lots of questions...Kay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Speaking of whichare there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic? Today while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so loud. Security had to deal with her. She was talking about God and at first I thought it was a street preacher. J I felt so sorry for her. Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has these spells when she stops taking her meds. (Typical of schizophrenics.) Its such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems to affect most of the homeless who arent just junkies. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? They aren't much into testing the spirits any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking medications that can help take the voices away K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
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From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement. DAVEH: ??? You are losing me on this, Perry. How did I stereotype the street preachers? I thought I had qualified them as some, or such, with each post where I spoke of them protesting in SLC. Did I forget to do that on any of my posts? If soI did it inadvertently. DaveH, I am referring to the following statement: I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I am not saying that there are not any street preachers that act rudely someimes. I am saying that the statement you made above appears to lump all street preachers into one group, i. e., those who you feel have a (negative) impact on Christianity because of their antics. I was simply pointing this out so that you, and others, would not begin to get the negative impression that street preachers, in general, are all rude. That is how stereotyping begins, and I would like to nip it in the bud, so to speak. By and in large, street preachers have been called to do God's work in many ways and places that most of us would never dare to do or go. Do you understand what I am saying? Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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PS. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. Is 43:3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. Is28: 24Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? 25When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place? 26For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. 27For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod. 28Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen. 29This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? FWIW, I am for any kind of evangelism that works. Beat em over the head, friendship, tracts, Whatever! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:51 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Judy Taylor wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ, the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. jt:I take it you are all for friendship evangelism but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for.I don'tsee Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering inpublicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures.People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to makea rational choice.snip JD: It is amazing to me just how often you miss the point. Anyway - the point is this: Christ helped to create an audience . DavidM wrote that street preaching was something like priming the pump for other s (preacher or teachers). But, if you will -- go back in the archieves and find that post where I lay into Kevin for anything except rudeness -- and I don't recall doing that. His exhanges with Dave H, as well as Perry's, have been informative -- interesting read for me. If DaveH is not complaining, and he is not, then my lips are sealed. I don't respond to the Mormon postings because Mormonism, at its base, is off the mark. I hastened to add that my mother-in-law is Mormon and saved. I have accepted DaveH's claim to the Christ -- for what it is worth. For the record, there is no such thing as a right church. Grace - unmerited favor, Christ dying for us while we were yet sinners works for individuals and churches for the very same reason. Consider the first church's example FROM THE BEGINNING; immature, but zealous; often confused on issue; divided but united --- all the reasons given for starting over existed IN THE FIRST CHURCH -- RIGHT OFF THE BAT. But I respect their faith (DH And Blaine). I just think the reason for their church is not a good one. By the way, I feel the same about Baptists, RCC, Assemply, and so on. John jt: So you just see Mormonism as a different church? Has your mother-in-law renounced the works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that system? You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement above.His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need tocall things what they are. DAVEH: Thank you for speaking your heart in what you've posted, Kay. Do you think my long term presence in TT and my prolonged resistance to heed the warnings of most TTers validates those who feel the need to raise their voices (so to speak) when they try to penetrate my thick skull? IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be peace between some TTers and me, or will the contention simply escalate with time? Ifyou can't see the problem then possibly you are deceived in this area also John andneed to do your homework. We have no authority to pronounce
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I like it. Thanks for this. I don't believe Jesus had billboards or raised his voice in the streets but then I would hope there wouldn't be sodomites prancing around Jerusalem or anywhere else in Israel. Maybe Slade and Kay know more about it... and He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Paul couldn't do a whole lot of it because certain groupskept running him out of town. However, God is still moving and all I know is to let ppl do what they want to do cause He'sthe Judge. Grace Peace, jt On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:05:30 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. Is 43:3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. Is28: 24Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? 25When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place? 26For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. 27For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod. 28Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen. 29This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:57 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? FWIW, I am for any kind of evangelism that works. Beat em over the head, friendship, tracts, Whatever! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:51 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Judy Taylor wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ, the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works.jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for.I don'tsee Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering inpublicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures.People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to makea rational choice.snip JD: It is amazing to me just how often you miss the point. Anyway - the point is this: Christ helped to create an audience . DavidM wrote that street preaching was something like priming the pump for other s (preacher or teachers). But, if you will -- go back in the archieves and find that post where I lay into Kevin for anything except rudeness -- and I don't recall doing that. His exhanges with Dave H, as well as Perry's, have been informative -- interesting read for me. If DaveH is not complaining, and he is not, then my lips are sealed. I don't respond to the Mormon postings because Mormonism, at its base, is off the mark. I hastened to add that my mother-in-law is Mormon and saved. I have accepted DaveH's claim to the Christ -- for what it is worth. For the record, there is no such thing as a right church. Grace - unmerited favor, Christ dying for us while we were yet sinners works for individuals and churches for the very same reason. Consider the first church's example FROM THE BEGINNING; immature, but zealous; often confused on issue; divided but united --- all the reasons given for "starting over" existed IN THE FIRST CHURCH -- RIGHT OFF THE BAT. But I respect their faith (DH And Blaine). I just think the reason for their church is not a good one. By the way, I feel the same about Baptists, RCC, Assemply, and so on. John
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DaveH, I know you did not address your response to me, but when you talk about some TTrs below, I am probablyi n that group and would like to clarify one thing. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be /peace /between some TTers and me, or will the contention simply escalate with time? I personally am at peace with you. You know from our off-line discussions that, although I ride rough with your beliefs at times, I respect and love you as an individual. I would sit down to dinner with you anytime, as I offered to do when you were last in Southern CA. It is not you with which I have no peace...it is the pagan system you are in, and the pain I feel when I see you feeding it to others on this forum who may not be aware of it's pagan and occultic nature. Many many people have been lured by it's fuzzy exterior, being led to believe that they are entering a Christian religion, only to be programmed to accept a false god and false jesus, and the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords, names, and penalties they are told they will suffer if they reveal the secret pagan rituals of the temple. Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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*REPRIMAND* Hold it, Judy. You are getting too personal here. You wrote, "...possibly you are deceived in this areaalso John andneed to do your homework." That might fly with some people, but think about who you are writing to. He is likely tobe offended by this and start being personal back. Please try to refrain from addressing character flaws, because you know what hornets do when you start poking their nest with a stick. We want to keep this list a DISCUSSION list, and the best way to do that is not to stir up negative emotions by making personal comments. David Miller TruthTalk Moderator - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:21 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ, the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works.jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for.I don'tsee Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering inpublicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures.People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to makea rational choice.snip JD: It is amazing to me just how often you miss the point. Anyway - the point is this: Christ helped to create an audience . DavidM wrote that street preaching was something like priming the pump for other s (preacher or teachers). But, if you will -- go back in the archieves and find that post where I lay into Kevin for anything except rudeness -- and I don't recall doing that. His exhanges with Dave H, as well as Perry's, have been informative -- interesting read for me. If DaveH is not complaining, and he is not, then my lips are sealed. I don't respond to the Mormon postings because Mormonism, at its base, is off the mark. I hastened to add that my mother-in-law is Mormon and saved. I have accepted DaveH's claim to the Christ -- for what it is worth. For the record, there is no such thing as a right church. Grace - unmerited favor, Christ dying for us while we were yet sinners works for individuals and churches for the very same reason. Consider the first church's example FROM THE BEGINNING; immature, but zealous; often confused on issue; divided but united --- all the reasons given for "starting over" existed IN THE FIRST CHURCH -- RIGHT OFF THE BAT. But I respect their faith (DH And Blaine). I just think the reason for their church is not a good one. By the way, I feel the same about Baptists, RCC, Assemply, and so on. John jt: So you just see Mormonism as a "different church?" Has your mother-in-law renounced the works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that system? You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement above.His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need tocall things what they are. Ifyou can't see the problem then possibly you are deceived in this area also John andneed to do your homework. We have no authority to pronounce people"saved" It has to be between them and the Lord. all we can do is point them to "The Way" and encourage them in it -We canstand in faith for ourselves butuntil Jesus declares (at the end) those who belong to him - we speak presumptuously. jt
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Perry wrote: ... the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords, names, and penalties they are told they will suffer if they reveal the secret pagan rituals of the temple. Dave Hansen, I would like to hear your take on Perry's comment. You have been a Mormon for 50 years. Do you have a secret handshake and passwords and a secret name? Are you under threat of penalty if you were to reveal these things? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Now David, Think about it,how could he answer that if he already took a secret oath not to reveal anything? Besides it is too Sacred.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry wrote: ... the pagan rituals, secret handshakes, passwords, names, and penalties they are told they will suffer if they reveal the secret pagan rituals of the temple.Dave Hansen,I would like to hear your take on Perry's comment. You have been a Mormon for 50 years. Do you have a secret handshake and passwords and a secret name? Are you under threat of penalty if you were to reveal these things?Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo!
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In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:56:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:16 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt:I take it you are all for "friendship evangelism" but I don't see that in the life of Jesus or his disciples, that's not what the 70 were sent out for. I don't see Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering in publicly. Paul may have done that while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures. People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut down the voice of the enemy long enough for them to make a rational choice. snip I can understand why you would not see any value in "friendship evangelism." As far as missing that point in the life of Christ -- "friendship evangelism" probably consituted the vast majority of His day. jt: I see this in his relationship with the disciples but not in his every day interaction with the people around him, in fact scripture says the opposite "When he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men and needed not that any should testify of man for he knew what was in man (Jn 2:23-25) So I'm reading that he didn't commit himself to these people because he knew what was in them .. Hebrews says that he kept himself separate from sinners. So how do you figure he was involved in Friendship Evangelism? I see Christ giving and doing good as he conducted His ministry -- daily and in nearly every venue. It your bible reads different, so be it. Your belief that he "didn't commit himself to these people because He knew what was in them .." is a difficult teaching in view of the fact that He died for us while we were sinners. You may limit His beneficence to death on the cross, I don't. Isa 58:9-11 is what I am talking about -- but since your paradigm rises out of the ashes of rage against the enemy -- you probably missed that point as well. jt: John where do you get the idea that I am angry with people? Isa 58:9-11 is primarly for Israel, the prophet is to cry out, spare not, and lift up his voice to the house of Jacob Vs.1 - what point were you making with it? I am tired of talking about Judy and defending John. Let's talk shop or nothing. Where you got "friendship evangelism" from what I posted is also, revealing. You seem to enjoy making up stuff and then treating such "opinions" as bastard theology while pretending that you have some corner on grace and peace. jt: Why such accusation John and why do you always assume the worst. I use that term because it is a current fad in Christendom and it appeared to me that this is what you were talking about. If I misunderstood then please forgive me. Answer requires personal defense. Let's talk shop or nothing at all.
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Hehehe...homegrown sheep are the best
Kay
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ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
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[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Ohh! How
could you (Im not
going to ask how that lonely little sheep ended up all alone!)
Izzy
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HensonSent: Thursday,
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Christian?
The kind you eat!
:)
Kay
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Christian?
How sad!!! We need
sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase
squirrels. She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very
un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting
scarves! What kind did you have/are you going to get?
Izzy
From:
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On Behalf Of Slade
HensonSent: Thursday,
January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo:
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Christian?
We didn't need our
dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very
interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without
a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again
soon
Kay
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SawczakSent: Wednesday,
19 January, 2005 17.03To:
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Christian?
[Debbie] Don't
yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog
bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does
the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain
direction...)
I wonder if it's
possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any
theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor
our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I
notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd
acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating
to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude
to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift
was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the
point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk
about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some
SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly
routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you
can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see
rejected analogy below).
Maybe
inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message
toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our
cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds
of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered
by other means.
Someone might
want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit
the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But
the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
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Christian?
Au contraire,
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has
raised sheep with Slade
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DeeganSent: Tuesday,
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a Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip
either!Jeff Powers
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I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Oh, boy, Kay--did you ever open a can of worms. Maybe you'd better check out the archives on mormon underwear. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Really? Uh-oham I gonna get a spanking??? Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 18.56 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Oh, boy, Kay--did you ever open a can of worms. Maybe you'd better check out the archives on mormon underwear. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I just HAVE to ask... Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes?? Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 10.08 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended me. Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry? If so, may I suggest you misunderstood me. So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have misrepresented your feelings on the issue. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVE I have read your comments below. You seem to think we are a bad witness. DAVEH: Did I say that? I probably don't use witness in quite the same way as you would. I would probably substitute representative for witness. But KevinI'm just thinking out loud on this, and may well be wrong in my summation. Maybe you can tell me if street preachers who push the envelope ever pre-consider the effect their actions may have on the non-believers? I'd like to think that they give careful thought as to how the Lord wants them to preach. Do you know if they do, Kevin? Here is just a part of exactly what goes on at GC. How do you feel about the LDS HIGH PRIEST who was arrested for Assualt Battery (a Felony) He accosted a very small man. The High Priest then told on the news how he could have flattened him since he knew Karate LOL.sounds like he may be a little mentally unbalanced, eh. My Pastor never acts like that, what gives? High Priest? (striking disqaulifies see Bible) Thugs do not make good priests. How about all the gutter language I have to endure from Priesthood holders coming to thier special meeting? Care to see some R rated video of these "gods in Embryo"? Now what EXACTLY is the behavior that you are talking about from SP's? DAVEH: The LDS examples you mentioned above sound in the wrong, if you've described the situation accurately. (I assume you were there?) Anyway, there are certainly LDS folks who have failed to act in a Christian manner, and I am not trying to make any excuses for their (bad) behavior. In fact, it saddens me when I see any Christian acting unChristian likeespecially if it is a fellow LDS person behaving as such. If it would make you feel better, I'll even apologize for their unruly actions, as it is not in keeping with the tenets of the LDS Church, as I understand them. In viewing the clips you posted of the SPs, it seemed to me that most of the LDS folks were rather calm and reserved as they passed by the shouting SPers. It did not appear as though any were unruly or agitated to action by what the SPers were saying, or doing. Yes...I realize that those clips were incomplete, and may not have caught some of the actions you mentioned above. Butin the general appearance of the situations, there appeared to be relative peace and calmness, which I would think is the way most LDS folks would want it to be. Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there? DAVEH: No.I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH: ??? How so, Kevin? As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it. DAVEH: I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin. But.Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an effort to embarrass meet your criteria of vile? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Chr istians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me. David Miller wrote: DAVEH: "from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart." -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met street
preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell ya
that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every street preacher I
have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's not a street preacher,
come see a real street preacher in action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious,
irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than
draw in.
You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just
how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world.
Then you guys even have the balls to say that you
do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or not,
most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not love of
Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power and
the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them.
Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more
harm than good.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors,
we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is
prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
0:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss
it?
Mormons are not sheep but goats
When He comes in His glory:
MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but
the goats on the left
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of
my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the
world
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from
me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angelsJeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you think? If
any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not
leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that
is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he
rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone
astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get
the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at
her.
-
slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Reread my post and you will see that is isnot suggested. In fact, the man went out and SOUGHT the lost sheep. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 From: Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40 I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave?
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
How is this a rebuke? Again, you do not believe Mormon are "True Christians" therefore are not subject to "Rebuke." The disciples, as True Christians, ARE subject to rebuke (if this even is a rebuke) because of "wrong belief" as you call it. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 00.36 Here is an example of Rebuke for wrong belief Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, some Christians need rebuke. I can think of several in need of a good spanking. So do some Jewish people. This is the main purpose of the Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's people back in line. -- slade
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Does anyone view John the Baptist as a
model'street preacher'?
I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization.
I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words.
- Original Message -
From:
Jeff
Powers
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met street
preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell
ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every street preacher
I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's not a street
preacher, come see a real street preacher in action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious,
irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than
draw in.
You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just
how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world.
Then you guys even have the balls to say that
you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or
not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not love
of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power
and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them.
Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more
harm than good.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the
victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That
weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
0:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss
it?
Mormons are not sheep but goats
When He comes in His glory:
MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from
me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angelsJeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you think?
If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he
not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one
that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you,
he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone
astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get
the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at
her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Yes, I DO see John the Baptist as the classic street preacher. It got his head cut off. Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it die with John? Izzy (Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Does anyone view John the Baptist as a model'street preacher'? I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words. - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of ministry. Every street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, He's not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in action... Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than draw in. You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world. Then you guys even have the balls to say that you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of love. It is not love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them. Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more harm than good. Jeff Life makes warriors of us all. To emerge the victors, we must arm ourselves with the most potent of weapons. That weapon is prayer. --Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 0:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss it? Mormons are not sheep but goats When He comes in His glory: MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message- From:Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Izzie asks: 'any calling for 'that' ministry
today?' Yes but, not as it is described by David his cohorts. Allow me to
attempt an illustration: We've recently shifted, needlessly IMO, from one to two
moderators (small 'm' as only one of them is moderate). Why is this so, Lance,
you ask? Well, because inflammatory language used against sensitive people
requires some 'moderating'. (Tell him/her to stop! It's not fair! That's not
very nice! You call yourself a CHRISTIAN while employing language like that?
and, so on). All this from 'spirit-filled' disciples of Christ! Now, ractchet
that up, intensify the language (make it accusatory in nature), direct it at
people, sometimes under the influence of intoxicants, who are somewhere for a
purpose other than 'preaching' then, wellyou can take it from there. I
should think that, on occasion, abuse received under such conditions might just
be warranted. This is NOT 'suffering for the gospel'!
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 19, 2005 06:40
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Yes, I DO see John
the Baptist as the classic street preacher. It got his head cut
off. Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it
die with John? Izzy
(Waiting to see the
response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad
hominem.)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Does anyone view John the Baptist
as a model'street preacher'?
I essentially concur with Jeff's
characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with
words.
- Original Message -
From: Jeff
Powers
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January
19, 2005 05:30
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top
it off, I've met street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say
the same thing when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of
"ministry". Every street preacher I have met has said about his fellow
street preacher, "He's not a street preacher, come see a real street
preacher in action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE
SAME. Rude, obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more
people away from Messiah than draw in.
You are all fuel for the
worlds critics, showing just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the
modern world.
Then you guys even have
the balls to say that you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter
if one is a believer or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind
of "love". It is not love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way
you do. It's love of power and the ability to call someone names, belittle
and berate them.
Street Preachers are the
dangerous ones, they do more harm than
good.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us
all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent
of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of
Breslov
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Wednesday, January 19, 2005 0:14
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you
miss it?
Mormons are not sheep but
goats
When He comes in His
glory:
MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but
the goats on the
left
Then shall the King say unto them on his right
hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into
everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angelsJeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
perfect
analogy!
- Original Message
-
From:
Slade Henson
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
Subject:
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of t
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Being called "Christians" was a derogatory statement, right? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.49To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I do not follow, to which does which refer?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was a derogatory statement, correct? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors about Christ in it. NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the world? Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I
agree as well, although Jeff may not have stated it very eloquently.
I'm
assistance of counsel on a street preachers dependency case. I must say they are
the ones with the MOST difficulty in following directions...to their own
detriment.
Kay
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance
MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.14To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Does anyone view John the Baptist as a
model'street preacher'?
I essentially concur with Jeff's
characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with
words.
- Original Message -
From:
Jeff
Powers
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met
street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing
when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every
street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's
not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in
action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude,
obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from
Messiah than draw in.
You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing
just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world.
Then you guys even have the balls to say that
you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer
or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not
love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of
power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them.
Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do
more harm than good.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the
victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That
weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
0:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you
miss it?
Mormons are not sheep but goats
When He comes in His glory:
MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his
angelsJeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I was waiting for that, too, Izzy Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes, I DO see John the Baptist as the classic street preacher. It got his head cut off. Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it die with John? Izzy (Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.)
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! From: Slade Henson What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganI have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Me too - Kay and Izzy... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:48 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was waiting for that, too, Izzy Kay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Yes, I DO see John the Baptist as the classic street preacher. It got his head cut off. Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it die with John? Izzy (Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.)
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
I don't think so...the one sheep was "lost". Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! From: Slade Henson What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganI have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Tell you what you pick the subject. You have had questions for a while thats why your here.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Yes, Kevin. You've been quite civil, and I am enjoying chatting with you again. Do you feel comfortable with this pace, or would you prefer to return to your harsher tactics?Kevin Deegan wrote: I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the love you have for Kevin Deegan and I did consider the risk of appearing to want to drownKevin' s voice. This was not the case. My love for Dave Hansen prompted the voice of concern you should have heard inmy post. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.22 Looks to me like you are trying to moderateKevin Deegan into silence.Kevin has been around for a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now. It's obvious that Kevin has no personal vendetta or dislike for Dave and my understanding is that it is lovetospeak the truth to someone who is in obvious error - Kevin obviously spends a lot of time researching this stuff and whether or not we are comfortable with what he does, he has his own part in the body and serves the Lord in His own way. His part may not be our part but should we try to cut it off or stifle it? jt-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians. Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from.Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree as well, although Jeff may not have stated it very eloquently. I'm assistance of counsel on a street preachers dependency case. I must say they are the ones with the MOST difficulty in following directions...to their own detriment. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.14To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Does anyone view John the Baptist as a model'street preacher'? I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words. - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in action..." Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than draw in. You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world. Then you guys even have the balls to say that you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them. Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more harm than good. Jeff Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 0:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss it? Mormons are not sheep but goats When He comes in His glory: MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsJeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
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That one may have been out in the pigpen for a season but the very fact that he is called a"sheep" and not agoat is defining. Remember Jesusspoke to lost sheep of the house of Israel and Israel was a Covenant nation. Today we are dealing with the Kingdom of God and there is only one way in which is by way of the Chief Shepherd. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:18:35 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think so...the one sheep was "lost". Kay From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! From: Slade Henson What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade From:Kevin DeeganI have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. What about some of the other names (listed in a previous post), did you know they were SP's too?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone view John the Baptist as a model'street preacher'? I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words. - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in action..." Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than draw in. You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world. Then you guys even have the balls to say that you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them. Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more harm than good. Jeff Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 0:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss it? Mormons are not sheep but goats When He comes in His glory: MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsJeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
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Slade- How is this a rebuke? Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart,but I might get moderated Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is this a rebuke? Again, you do not believe Mormon are "True Christians" therefore are not subject to "Rebuke." The disciples, as True Christians, ARE subject to rebuke (if this even is a rebuke) because of "wrong belief" as you call it. -- slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 00.36 Here is an example of Rebuke for wrong belief Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, some Christians need rebuke. I can think of several in need of a good spanking. So do some Jewish people. This is the main purpose of the Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's people back in line. -- slade Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today!
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It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from.
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They
aren't much into "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into
taking medications that can help take the voices away
K.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians.
Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow.
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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Medicines don't take anything away, they stifle them
for a season and when the body adjusts
something different or stronger is required. I have a
manic depressive friend who has dealt with this
for years. Only the truth will make these people
free. Possibly they need something cast out of them.
Kevin isn't talking about this - he refers to the
abysmal lack of discernment plainly evident amongst
God's ppl. jt
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:02:22 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
They
aren't much into "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into
taking medications that can help take the voices awayK.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganAs long as you agree that sheep are representative of
Christians.
Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is
lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for
cows) a word to them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What
is a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go
and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he
finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the
ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original
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Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
What is a Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. So you have worked MANY of those (SP) type of cases?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
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Slade wrote: I believe you missed Dave's point. The Street Preachers are there to rid the adherents of their false doctrine, but what are they doing?? The Street Preachers are causing them to be even MORE adherent! Maybe you missed Kevin's point. If that were true, they should welcome the street preachers. They HATE the street preachers. So, maybe Dave's point is not the truth, but a smoke screen. Or, maybe the die hard Mormons are becoming more adherent because they see their ship is getting shot full of holes. You might note that there have been scores of Mormons converted by the street preaching efforts. Furthermore, they have exposed the lack of love by the Mormon church for Freedom of Speech and for the public to have freedom around their Temple. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I would say I have known many who were involved in those types of cases. Some I have supported, most I've not. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 09.44To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. So you have worked MANY of those (SP) type of cases?Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his case. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What case Kay? So I can know where you are coming from. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
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DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement. This is analagous to homosexuals calling someone homophobe because they disagree with the lifestyle choice. DaveH, are you a HOMOPHOBE? Probably not by the definition of the word based on it's latin roots (one who fears homosexuality), but according to the homosexuals, you may be because as they define it, they use it to mean anyone who does not agree with their lifestyle choice! I suggest instead of using the term street preachers to refer to those you do not like, and insulting all open air ministers, choose another designation, one more descriptive of the group you are trying to disparage. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800 DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Christians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me. David Miller wrote: DAVEH: from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart. Kevin Deegan wrote: Since it is so ineffective I would think you would be starting a SP school so you could help drive all those members together! Besides it proves the church is true! Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Furthermore, I think that street preaching as a whole has for centuries been the backbone of reaching non-churched pagans and heathens. It seems to be working in SLC, according to Kevin. John the baptist was a street preacher, and Jesus was, too, as were all of the Apostles. By disparaging street preachers you are disparaging them, too. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800 DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Christians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me. David Miller wrote: DAVEH: from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart. Kevin Deegan wrote: Since it is so ineffective I would think you would be starting a SP school so you could help drive all those members together! Besides it proves the church is true! Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John
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Does it really matter how many get Saved, how many Timothies I have? If you really want to know I could tell you but I feel that you already have it settled in your mind. If Jesus was not a SP, could you explain whyJesus stands up in the middle of a Religious feast and CRIES JN 7:37 WasHe weeping goingBOO WH? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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Here is the worst thing they could come up with. Go ahead look. This video was compiled by Mormons so it should show our worst side. Go ahead critique the preaches I know them, I was there. What is so wrong with this? Video clips here: http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/streetpreachers.html Mormons have long been a special victim class but that is another story.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH,Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement.This is analagous to homosexuals calling someone "homophobe" because they disagree with the lifestyle choice. DaveH, are you a HOMOPHOBE? Probably not by the definition of the word based on it's latin roots (one who fears homosexuality), but according to the homosexuals, you may be because "as they define it", they use it to mean anyone who does not agree with their lifestyle choice!I suggest instead of using the term "street preachers" to refer to those you do not like, and insulting all open air ministers, choose another designation, one more descriptive of the group you are trying to disparage.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Christians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me.David Miller wrote:DAVEH:"from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOPfor some street preachers. That's why I am so curiousabout why some of them go to the lengths they do indecrying the LDS Church during Conference time inSLC twice a year. IF they really understood theMormon mentality, I can't believe they would use suchtactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism.What they do there only drives us closer together,rather than apart."Kevin Deegan wrote:Since it is so ineffective I would think you wouldbe starting a SP school so you could help driveall those members together! Besides it proves thechurch is true!Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. :-)Peace be with you.David Miller.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
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DAVE I have read your comments below. You seem to think we are a bad witness. Here is just a part of exactly what goes on at GC. How do you feel about the LDS HIGH PRIEST who was arrested for Assualt Battery (a Felony) He accosted a very small man. The High Priest then told on the news how he could have flattened him since he knew Karate My Pastor never acts like that, what gives? High Priest? (striking disqaulifies see Bible) Thugs do not make good priests. How about all the gutter language I have to endure from Priesthood holders coming to thier special meeting? Care to see some R rated video of these "gods in Embryo"? Now what EXACTLY is the behavior that you are talking about from SP's? Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there? If not you may be bearing False Witness. As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Long list of vile behavior, lets hear it. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Christians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me.David Miller wrote: DAVEH: "from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart." Kevin Deegan wrote: Since it is so ineffective I would think you would be starting a SP school so you could help drive all those members together! Besides it proves the church is true! Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, You are a Jerk! KD says What got under your skin? To top it off, I've met street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in action..." KD syas Are you convicting yourself here? have you read what you wrote? Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from Messiah than draw in. KD says Where when whom did you see? You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world. Then you guys even have the balls to say that you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them. KD says Who is calling who what? Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do more harm than good. Jeff KD says Are you smiling when you say these things? Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 0:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you miss it? Mormons are not sheep but goats When He comes in His glory: MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsJeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:44 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ, the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. jt: You'd have to agree that he was an itinerant street person though wouldn't you John, not having a place to lay his head and all. But He did go around doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil because God was with him. What about if street preachers layed hands on the sick and healed them along with casting out a few devils. Would this help any? You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? jt: The both washed and unwashed masses Oophs!I'm not Kevin but am sure he will respond eventually. I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. jt: Benevolent caring - isn't that a "Charles Finney" _expression_? What's wrong with just letting Kevin be a street preacher if that's his calling?It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John jt: I never see Jesus or the apostles taking questions and answering them publicly. Paul may have done it while he was reasoning with people daily from the scriptures. Isn't there a place for both? People these days are so distracted with entertainment they may need to be jolted out of the mental fog they are in and God's anointing does rest upon His Word. Only He can shut out the voice of the enemy for a measure of time giving them the opportunity to make a rational choice. Have you heard Kevin's preaching on the street John? judyt In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.
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So follow what God has told you to do. Why should I follow your plan when God has clearly laid out his? To my Master I answer. I have to question your understanding of SP I get a kick out of all the NON Preachers giving advice on something they do not do. What is the sum total Basis for your assesment? Repeating what you have heard? Expressing your personal feelings? Most Christians do not say a word about a Sodomite prancing almost nude in the street, and worse. They have no problem reproving the SP for reproving the SIN in the streets but won't open their mouth about the perversion. Wierd, whoose side are they on? At Mormon events they pray to BAAL Christians bow their head in silence. Wierd whoose side are they on? I am interested in standing on God's side You can stand where you want, You falsely accuse me of seeing men as ENEMIES. You do not know my heart. Philipians places shame on the Enemies of the cross whose end is destruction. The gospel commission is not to a select few, but to "EVERY CREATURE" It pleases God thru the "FOOLISHNESS of Preaching to save men" (References on request) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
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Isn't pride a wonderful thing when issuing from the 'mouth' of a 'godly' preacher? Just how do you know what others have/have not done?Perhaps a question in the place of a self-assured pronouncement would've been more appropriate. Hmm? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 13:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? So follow what God has told you to do. Why should I follow your plan when God has clearly laid out his? To my Master I answer. I have to question your understanding of SP I get a kick out of all the NON Preachers giving advice on something they do not do. What is the sum total Basis for your assesment? Repeating what you have heard? Expressing your personal feelings? Most Christians do not say a word about a Sodomite prancing almost nude in the street, and worse. They have no problem reproving the SP for reproving the SIN in the streets but won't open their mouth about the perversion. Wierd, whoose side are they on? At Mormon events they pray to BAAL Christians bow their head in silence. Wierd whoose side are they on? I am interested in standing on God's side You can stand where you want, You falsely accuse me of seeing men as ENEMIES. You do not know my heart. Philipians places shame on the Enemies of the cross whose end is destruction. The gospel commission is not to a select few, but to "EVERY CREATURE" It pleases God thru the "FOOLISHNESS of Preaching to save men" (References on request) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
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I asked Why should I follow your plan when God has clearly laid out his? What is the sum total Basis for your assesment? Repeating what you have heard? Expressing your personal feelings? Putting down other Christians who do not do it like you? Whoose side are you on? you don't answer, Why? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't pride a wonderful thing when issuing from the 'mouth' of a 'godly' preacher? Just how do you know what others have/have not done?Perhaps a question in the place of a self-assured pronouncement would've been more appropriate. Hmm? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2005 13:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? So follow what God has told you to do. Why should I follow your plan when God has clearly laid out his? To my Master I answer. I have to question your understanding of SP I get a kick out of all the NON Preachers giving advice on something they do not do. What is the sum total Basis for your assesment? Repeating what you have heard? Expressing your personal feelings? Most Christians do not say a word about a Sodomite prancing almost nude in the street, and worse. They have no problem reproving the SP for reproving the SIN in the streets but won't open their mouth about the perversion. Wierd, whoose side are they on? At Mormon events they pray to BAAL Christians bow their head in silence. Wierd whoose side are they on? I am interested in standing on God's side You can stand where you want, You falsely accuse me of seeing men as ENEMIES. You do not know my heart. Philipians places shame on the Enemies of the cross whose end is destruction. The gospel commission is not to a select few, but to "EVERY CREATURE" It pleases God thru the "FOOLISHNESS of Preaching to save men" (References on request) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak. John Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). ..or from a boat or in a home or on a hill side.
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I usually refrain from offering anamen toposts, but this is some really fantastic dialogue, Kevin. THANK YOU.You really express yourself well. A hearty amen from me to all you said here. I would like to point out also to others that I met Kevin once in New Orleans whenpreaching Mardi Gras. He is a gentle man and not like many of you might perceive him. He makes huge sacrifices to get God's Word out to the lost. Just because he keeps focused on getting his message out does not mean that he is unreasonable or full of pride or arrogant or whatever other label you might be tempted to put uponhim. He is a meek and humble man whoheralds truth, and if the sinners can't stop him with their ridicule, you won't stop him by trying to ridicule him here. When he talks about others crying for the lost, he is not just talking about others. He is talking about himself, but he is too humble and modest to say that. Kevin is a street preacher who really cares for others. He has a deep, burning love for the lost that far surpasses probably everybody on thislist. I found it interesting to watch the videofrom the Mormon site. There were three men pictured there: Ruben, Dean, and Stephen. The video ends with something like, "would you invite these Christians to your home"? I could not help but laugh. I have invited all of these men to my home. They are always welcome at my home. Ruben has stayed the night at my homeseveral times, and I have spent the night with him on the road before as well. And the Mormons say, "would you invite him to your home"? LOL. Too funny. Of course I would. Peace be with you.David Miller. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? So follow what God has told you to do. Why should I follow your plan when God has clearly laid out his? To my Master I answer. I have to question your understanding of SP I get a kick out of all the NON Preachers giving advice on something they do not do. What is the sum total Basis for your assesment? Repeating what you have heard? Expressing your personal feelings? Most Christians do not say a word about a Sodomite prancing almost nude in the street, and worse. They have no problem reproving the SP for reproving the SIN in the streets but won't open their mouth about the perversion. Wierd, whoose side are they on? At Mormon events they pray to BAAL Christians bow their head in silence. Wierd whoose side are they on? I am interested in standing on God's side You can stand where you want, You falsely accuse me of seeing men as ENEMIES. You do not know my heart. Philipians places shame on the Enemies of the cross whose end is destruction. The gospel commission is not to a select few, but to "EVERY CREATURE" It pleases God thru the "FOOLISHNESS of Preaching to save men" (References on request) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Crowds followed Him and presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with benevolent acts of compassion. He spoke harshly to those of his own, believing that they were willfully blinded by their own sense of selfish ambition. That is the pattern. I have converted a few to Christ -- the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy" (in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, and pretty much have no off button that I can see. Does God work through your ministry? Obviously and on occasion, yes. But how many are out there, Kevin. How many? I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers. Or, you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the gospel -- whatever. I know that benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer (emphasis on "ready) will work. I believe this to be the biblical example. It is much much more difficult to bring people to a point in time when THEY ask the question, Kevin. It is infintely easier to preach them to hell. Peter's example in Acts two did just this. Who asked the question? THEY did. Is harshness always wrong. Of course not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the search for Christ is not enhanced by the words yo
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Kevin wrote: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. John wrote: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard). Terry adds: ...or from a boat or in a home or on a hill side. Don't forget standing in the plain (Luke 6:17). :-) Jesus was not your typical pulpit pastor. Many times he went out away from the city to secluded areas, away from the synagogue and Temple, in order to share his message. Other times he went to where the people were. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Jesus Christ told us to "GO YE into ALL the World, and preach the gospel to EVERY creature" Mark 16:15 As our example he went through "EVERY city and village... PREACHING" Luke 8:1 Not to just a few! vs 4 "when MUCH people were gathered together... he spake" He did not just live his life as an example: "LIFE STYLE EVANGELISM" He gave his life a ransom: "LIFE SAVING EVANGELISM"! He preached to multitudes "the WHOLE MULTITUDE of the country of Gadarenes" vs 37 To crowds so great they "thronged him" vs 42 To fulfill our commision we must GO to where the crowds are! "Love will find a way. Indifference will find an excuse." What is your way?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.John wrote: Jesus was not street preacher. He spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard).Terry adds: ...or from a boat or in a home or on a hill side.Don't forget standing in the plain (Luke 6:17). :-)Jesus was not your typical pulpit pastor. Many times he went out away from the city to secluded areas, away from the synagogue and Temple, in order to share his message. Other times he went to where the people were.Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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[Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them
up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the
dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a
certain direction...)
I
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily pass in
any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are
much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of
such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our
own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left
hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was
sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first
spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be
sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely
and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm
willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy
below).
Maybe
inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message
toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our
cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of
political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other
means.
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher
ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You
never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay,
who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
What do you think?
If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he
not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one
that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you,
he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone
astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get
the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at
her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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Lance wrote: I should think that, on occasion, abuse received under such conditions might just be warranted. This is NOT 'suffering for the gospel'! I think those who persecuted and killed the apostles and prophets and Jesus all felt the same way, Lance. Don't you? Surely they thought they were doing God a service. When I was growing up as a kid, I was taught that words were words, but whoever threw the first punch crossed the line and was guilty of starting a fight. The law here seems to follow this same rule. You tell someone they need to believe in Jesus, that is ok, but you punch someone, you might go to jail for battery. I realize that some people have trouble understanding the difference between telling someone to believe in Jesus Christ and punching them. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Lance wrote: sometimes under the influence of intoxicants, who are somewhere for a purpose other than 'preaching' then, wellyou can take it from there. I often wonder who on TT is having a little nip while writing those belligerent posts(other than JD). J Izzy
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And if
the use of 'sheep' distracts people from the point and tempts them with
irrelevant sheep-goat stuff, those folk should just substitute 'cows'.
--Debbie
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:03
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
[Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them
up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by
the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a
certain direction...)
I
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily pass in
any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are
much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of
such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our
own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left
hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was
sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first
spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be
sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely
and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm
willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy
below).
Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a
message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in
our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds
of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by
other means.
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher
ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
Debbie
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005
7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE:
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow.
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to
them.
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect analogy!
- Original Message -
From:
Slade Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is
a Christian?
What do you
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and
search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it,
truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine
which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming
at her.
- slade
-Original Message-From:Kevin
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.
Would you agree Dave?
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I believe I can show an abundance of Verses outlining God's way I have shown some of these verses on TT in the past. Faith cometh by? A Building Bridges of trust between one another BBeing friendlyC conversing D Hearing the word "God save us from living in comfort while sinners are sinking into hell!" Spurgeon I think the number one thing that most all of the people I have talked to leave out is: Drum Roll please... The power of God Some may think X works best, some Y But God says I believe I believe that the Holy Spirit goes out when the Word goes from my mouth, it will not return Void. One of the things the Holy Spirit does is convict of sin This sometimes accounts for the reaction of the hearers Their backs stiffen Some hate the Light as I preach Jesus Christ the Light of the World That is the condemnation that men LOVE darkness rather than Light The Holy Spirit can go in a mans heart at the same time as I preach the word of God into his ears "The soul and eternity of one man depends upon the voice of another" Horatius Bonar Rarely if ever, do Ihear of the Holy Spirits part in witnessing. It is not how friendly you can be. It is God's business to do the work If it was how educated or how Friendly, or how caring Then maybe we should give you the Glory. God has given me a message to proclaim, I am just the messenger or delivery boy would be a better description. "It is not our strength we want. It is not our work to make them believe. That is the work of the Spirit. Our work is to give them the Word of God. I cannot convert men; I can only proclaim the Gospel" D. L. Moody It is the word of God and the Holy Spirit that brings conversion "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." "Preach abroad...It is the cooping yourselves up in rooms that has damped the work of God, which never was and never will be carried out to any purpose without going out into the highways and hedges and compelling them to come in" John Wesley Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain direction...) I wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below). Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other means. Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate. Debbie -Original Message-From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has
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It is important since the Bible just so happens to have a specific meaning for ech of those two words. Get on the "RIGHT" side! "Whenever you find a preacher who takes the Bible allegorically and figuratively...that preacher is preaching an allegorical gospel which is no gospel. I thank God for a literal Christ, for a literal salvation. There is literal sorrow, literal death, literal Hell, and, thank God, there is a literal Heaven." J Frank Norris Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if the use of 'sheep' distracts people from the point and tempts them with irrelevant sheep-goat stuff, those folk should just substitute 'cows'. --Debbie -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? [Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain direction...) I wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below). Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other means. Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate. Debbie -Original Message-From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message-From:Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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LOL Watch out for Slurred typing wobbly words!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: sometimes under the influence of intoxicants, who are somewhere for a purpose other than 'preaching' then, wellyou can take it from there. I often wonder who on TT is having a little nip while writing those belligerent posts (other than JD). J Izzy Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
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Speaking of whichare there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic? Today while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so loud. Security had to deal with her. She was talking about God and at first I thought it was a street preacher. J I felt so sorry for her. Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has these spells when she stops taking her meds. (Typical of schizophrenics.) Its such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems to affect most of the homeless who arent just junkies. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? They aren't much into testing the spirits any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking medications that can help take the voices away K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians. Sheople today will follow any voice Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either! Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at her. - slade -Original Message- From:Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I have been easy on Dave this go round. Would you agree Dave? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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What was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were youa "wildman?" -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Age 50 I was saved on December 12th 1972Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin. So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for me? 1. What isyour physical age? 2. How long have you been a believer? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I only know of him ONLINE.. Hedoes NOT have a Street Preacher's heart. Let me splain it to ya this way, OK? We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march" There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of Demands This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line near hundreds of police. When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a SP Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell" I care not for any to go to Hell! Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin? I have many times Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to God, till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose? I have many times That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I would not say I was a wild man, but on Dec 12 1972 when the preacher told me about sin I knew that was me. No doubt about it. I was a sinner. Further I would consider myself very much an introvert who was terrified of people. Very quiet. Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were youa "wildman?" -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Age 50 I was saved on December 12th 1972Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin. So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for me? 1. What isyour physical age? 2. How long have you been a believer? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I only know of him ONLINE.. Hedoes NOT have a Street Preacher's heart. Let me splain it to ya this way, OK? We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march" There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of Demands This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line near hundreds of police. When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a SP Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell" I care not for any to go to Hell! Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin? I have many times Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to God, till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose? I have many times That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sortand a Street Preacher sort? Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that idiot. That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort! It was probably a Dan Lee sort Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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Jerk, Jeff? I know you know better than that! -- slade -Original Message-From: Jeff PowersSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 05.30Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Kevin, You are a.
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My dear Kevin, I believe in the power of God's Word and the ability of the Holy Spirit to convict. I believe you are used by God in the lives of some people. I believe in your integrity, courage (I know what it is to be shy),obedient heart, and love for people. And I agree faith comes by hearing. However, there are many routes that enable people to hear.Routes A, B,and C below areby no meansmutually exclusive with D! If only I did more of any of them! Also, I do not believe that,in most cases, the back-stiffening is a result of conviction. Why should we assume that? My back stiffens if somebody steps on my toe by accident. And I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Debbie -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:23 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I believe I can show an abundance of Verses outlining God's way I have shown some of these verses on TT in the past. Faith cometh by? A Building Bridges of trust between one another BBeing friendlyC conversing D Hearing the word "God save us from living in comfort while sinners are sinking into hell!" Spurgeon I think the number one thing that most all of the people I have talked to leave out is: Drum Roll please... The power of God Some may think X works best, some Y But God says I believe I believe that the Holy Spirit goes out when the Word goes from my mouth, it will not return Void. One of the things the Holy Spirit does is convict of sin This sometimes accounts for the reaction of the hearers Their backs stiffen Some hate the Light as I preach Jesus Christ the Light of the World That is the condemnation that men LOVE darkness rather than Light The Holy Spirit can go in a mans heart at the same time as I preach the word of God into his ears "The soul and eternity of one man depends upon the voice of another" Horatius Bonar Rarely if ever, do Ihear of the Holy Spirits part in witnessing. It is not how friendly you can be. It is God's business to do the work If it was how educated or how Friendly, or how caring Then maybe we should give you the Glory. God has given me a message to proclaim, I am just the messenger or delivery boy would be a better description. "It is not our strength we want. It is not our work to make them believe. That is the work of the Spirit. Our work is to give them the Word of God. I cannot convert men; I can only proclaim the Gospel" D. L. Moody It is the word of God and the Holy Spirit that brings conversion "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." "Preach abroad...It is the cooping yourselves up in rooms that has damped the work of God, which never was and never will be carried out to any purpose without going out into the highways and hedges and compelling them to come in" John Wesley Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain direction...) I wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passi in any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below). Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other means. Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate. De
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Kind of like Moses, huh? How come God always makes us something we just wouldnt dream of anyway? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I would not say I was a wild man, but on Dec 12 1972 when the preacher told me about sin I knew that was me. No doubt about it. I was a sinner. Further I would consider myself very much an introvert who was terrified of people. Very quiet.
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The devil in the lost hates Jesus in us Believers. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:23 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I believe I can show an abundance of Verses outlining God's way I have shown some of these verses on TT in the past. Faith cometh by? A Building Bridges of trust between one another BBeing friendly C conversing D Hearing the word God save us from living in comfort while sinners are sinking into hell! Spurgeon I think the number one thing that most all of the people I have talked to leave out is: Drum Roll please... The power of God Some may think X works best, some Y But God says I believe I believe that the Holy Spirit goes out when the Word goes from my mouth, it will not return Void. One of the things the Holy Spirit does is convict of sin This sometimes accounts for the reaction of the hearers Their backs stiffen Some hate the Light as I preach Jesus Christ the Light of the World That is the condemnation that men LOVE darkness rather than Light The Holy Spirit can go in a mans heart at the same time as I preach the word of God into his ears The soul and eternity of one man depends upon the voice of another Horatius Bonar Rarely if ever, do Ihear of the Holy Spirits part in witnessing. It is not how friendly you can be. It is God's business to do the work If it was how educated or how Friendly, or how caring Then maybe we should give you the Glory. God has given me a message to proclaim, I am just the messenger or delivery boy would be a better description. It is not our strength we want. It is not our work to make them believe. That is the work of the Spirit. Our work is to give them the Word of God. I cannot convert men; I can only proclaim the Gospel D. L. Moody It is the word of God and the Holy Spirit that brings conversion Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Preach abroad...It is the cooping yourselves up in rooms that has damped the work of God, which never was and never will be carried out to any purpose without going out into the highways and hedges and compelling them to come in John Wesley Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Debbie] Don't yousometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does the dogmake themthink it's their idea to go in a certain direction...) I wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passi in any theological sense, is just not theideal mediumfor our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are much moreculturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our own.If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first spendingan hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPsflout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below). Maybe inBible times it was moreusual for anybody with a message toshout it out in a public place.Most public shouting in our cultureis done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other means. Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, What if there's a comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground? But the analogy isn't appropriate. Debbie -Original Message- From: Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:11 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to them. Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Can't get em by your zipped lip either! Jeff Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perfect analogy! - Original Message
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Beautiful, Judy!! Really!! I have outlined in RED the part I like the most in your post. What you say in defense of Street Preachers is what I say in defense of Pharisees. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt
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I define myself, personally, as a homo-revolted. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. That is not fair, it is a stereotype based on the actions of just a few by your subjectivit judgement. This is analagous to homosexuals calling someone homophobe because they disagree with the lifestyle choice. DaveH, are you a HOMOPHOBE? Probably not by the definition of the word based on it's latin roots (one who fears homosexuality), but according to the homosexuals, you may be because as they define it, they use it to mean anyone who does not agree with their lifestyle choice! I suggest instead of using the term street preachers to refer to those you do not like, and insulting all open air ministers, choose another designation, one more descriptive of the group you are trying to disparage. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:30:02 -0800 DAVEH: I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs. I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole. I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics. I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner. Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites? Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church. While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Christians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus? Does that really promote the image of Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world? Seems like a conflicting message to me. David Miller wrote: DAVEH: from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart. Kevin Deegan wrote: Since it is so ineffective I would think you would be starting a SP school so you could help drive all those members together! Besides it proves the church is true! Kevin has a point here, Dave. If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that? Maybe the LDS organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your conferences. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I'm getting to the emails now!! I am surprised David Miller didn't say something. As far as comments directed at David Miller, I'm letting him [David]take care of those. -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.44 Me too - Kay and Izzy... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:48 -0500 writes: I was waiting for that, too, Izzy Kay From:ShieldsFamily(Waiting to see the response of the Moderators to Jeffs blatant ad hominem.)
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How do you figure? Can you give me a corner He preached on? Can you do the same thing with John the Lutheran? I see neither of these as Street Preachers. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too. What about some of the other names (listed in a previous post), did you know they were SP's too?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone view John the Baptist as a model'street preacher'? I essentially concur with Jeff's characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with words.
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Debbie wrote: I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Rebukes are for the people of God. DK said: Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart,but I might get moderated Slade: Why would you "upbraid" me? -- slade -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.41Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Slade- How is this a rebuke? Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart,but I might get moderated Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
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Thank you for letting me know Slade, I must confess tonot giving a lot of attention to the Pharisees but I do know they weren't all bad - you've probably learned more about the good ones than me. judyt On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:23:41 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beautiful, Judy!! Really!! I have outlined in RED the part I like the most in your post. What you say in defense of Street Preachers is what I say in defense of Pharisees. -- slade From: Judy Taylor A big problem with this analogy and street preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know" the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was preaching to God's Covenant people. I have my own issues with the methods of someStreet Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics. However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do and they are exposing pplwho would never be confronted in their own circlesto the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them in Jesus name. jt
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What binds them [Mormons] together is the mutual hatred they have for the Street Preachers (the common-enemy theorem of mine). I'm glad many Street Preachers have had success with Mormons. Perhaps the techniques used by THOSE preachers works. Perhaps some of these preachers need to take a class or two under these more successful Street Preachers. I would love to see Street Preachers have a good reputation. Additionally, I wish Christians [Messianics included] had a better reputation as well! -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 10.51 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Slade wrote: I believe you missed Dave's point. The Street Preachers are there to rid the adherents of their false doctrine, but what are they doing?? The Street Preachers are causing them to be even MORE adherent! Maybe you missed Kevin's point. If that were true, they should welcome the street preachers. They HATE the street preachers. So, maybe Dave's point is not the truth, but a smoke screen. Or, maybe the die hard Mormons are becoming more adherent because they see their ship is getting shot full of holes. You might note that there have been scores of Mormons converted by the street preaching efforts. Furthermore, they have exposed the lack of love by the Mormon church for Freedom of Speech and for the public to have freedom around their Temple. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David, do you think I was saying any of the following? 1. All cultural norms are right and supersede biblical norms. 2. The message of the Good News will never conflict with cultural norms. 3. We should not expect the acceptance of the Good News to change cultural norms. I wasn't. What I meant to say: Sometimes the very medium will conflict with cultural norms (e.g. Jesus conversing with the woman at the well), but if we have a choice of violating or respecting a cultural norm while still communicating the Good News, we should choose the latter and expect it to be more effective. Should I go through the phone book and call people at 11 p.m. to witness to them? Why not? I am saying that a lot of street preaching probably feels like that to many people. That's all. Debbie -Original Message- From: David Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Debbie wrote: I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters. Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
