Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chechen leader has kids fight MMA on TV

[Steve Timko]

Feodor Emelianko's daughter allegedly attacked because of his
criticism of the Chechen child MMA fights.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/12/13256490/fedor-daughter-attacked-after-criticism-against-kadyrov-child-mma-news

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> To correct my earlier post, it was a 12-year-old who got knocked out.
> If any of these kids had beaten one fo the sons of the rulers, I
> wonder what would have happened to them.
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:13 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would think the local legal age of majority would be a good place to
>>> start...maybe adjusted down a year or two, depending on their participation
>>> rules for contact sports.
>>>
>>> But I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 10 is a little too young.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree 10 is too young, but MMA has been a huge success in that part of the
>> world long before it became popular in the so-called Western World. A lot of
>> kids there see fighting as a way out of their life the way urban kids here
>> view sports as a way out of their life. I'm in no way defending or condoning
>> it, but it is a foreign culture with different perspectives, and at the risk
>> of sounding like the Prime Directive from Star Trek, it might not be fair to
>> ascribe our cultural norms to theirs.
>>
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Watch "Uncensored - She just said "Pu$$y" on TV | Celebrity Name Game" on YouTube

[Doug Eastick]

https://youtu.be/8nOUgeAzx0o

90 seconds with SCG.  just watch it.

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[TV orNotTV] Kim's Convenience

[Doug Eastick]

CBC has been pumping up the promo's for their latest sitcom - Kim's
Convenience.  It's about a Korean family that runs a convenience store in
Toronto.  They were supposed to air the pilot on Sunday, but rescheduled
due to the Blue Jay's ball game (not the debate).

I just watched it and LOL'd a few times.   I asked my 20-yr old daughter to
watch and after the first 10 mins she said "I don't find this as funny as
you do" and then went to another room.

If you can find the pilot online, I suggest you watch it.  There is a
reference to Anderson Cooper.The main thing I was thinking while
watching it was "oh there's so many of the trump-states that would not like
this".

If you can't find it online to watch, then maybe try this link I might keep
up for a week or so..

 700 mb .MKV file.  Use VLC player to watch it if your default doesn't
do it for you.  please be gentle and don't share this link.  I have to pay
for data.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/tvornottv/KC.S01E01.mkv

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Tom Wolper]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

>
> Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
> being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
> Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape, but
> wasn't revealing it.
>
> But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.
>
>
>> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
>> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
>>
>
>  I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
> footage is stored on lockdown.
>

All I know is what I read on the internet. Still, it would be amusing to
see NBC, which has its own news division, suing a reporter and demanding to
see their sources under threat of prison.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Doug Eastick]

There was an apprentice contestant on CNN last night that was corroborating
many of the sexist things trump said.  She also said that she's speaking
now because the 5 million penalty expired after five years.

Who knows of that's true but it's what she said.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 4:10 PM PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>
> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on "Shark
> Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>
> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access" aired
> on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements, to no
> avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical reasons,
> was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably neutral in
> his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate that Roker
> (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning Bush's absence.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that he
> is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I don't
> think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but that
> anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett lawsuit
> (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine), as
> whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>
> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
> on the show.
>
> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard to
> imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump stood,
> I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security of the
> footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump supporter.
>
> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along the
> line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away somewhere.
>
>
> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>
> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
> footage.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Bob Jersey]

M-D November wrote:
>
> NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
> morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - 
> so if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up 
> from the minors. 


And I'll bet it's Sheena Parveen, who just transferred from WCAU to WRC...

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] For Seeso: a new sitcom based backstage at the Carson Tonight Show

[Bob Jersey]

Kevin M, to Tom Wolper:
>
> They could theoretically tape the series in the original location... 
> goodness knows not much else is happening at "The Burbank Studios" these 
> days. 
>
>
> Perfect...

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bayless Sends FS1's Viewership Skyrocketing (Surprisingly)

[Bob Jersey]

Joe Hass, to Mark Jeffries:
>
> That they've had an audience was never in doubt (see: First Take). What is 
> dramatic is that Bayless actually brought people to America's Favorite 
> Scratch Sports Cable Network. Given the Coward/Whitlock "All Takes Matter"* 
> gabfest continues to do nothing, that Skip/Shannon did something is quite 
> amazing.
>
> * I cannot remember for the life of me what the actual name of this show 
> is, but that's what Deadspin always calls it, and that's stuck with me.
>
>
> "Speak for Yourself."  Weeknights opposite 6pm Sportscenter.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Adam Bowie]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

I always assumed that an employee would be the one to hand over footage.
> And it has to be done anonymously, meaning that the news organization
> cannot know the source. This came up when the NYT published the Trump state
> tax return with the $916M loss. The reporter went to her snail mail box in
> the office and saw the manila envelope. If she knew who sent it, NYT's
> legal department would have forced her to sit on it or find another way to
> get it out in public. If she knew the source, in a courtroom she could be
> compelled to reveal it of face contempt charges.
>
>
Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape, but
wasn't revealing it.

But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.


> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
>

 I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
footage is stored on lockdown.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[M-D November]

NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - so 
if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up from the 
minors. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] For Seeso: a new sitcom based backstage at the Carson Tonight Show

[Kevin M.]

They could theoretically tape the series in the original location...
goodness knows not much else is happening at "The Burbank Studios" these
days.

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Seeso is a comedy streaming site owned by NBCU. They are announcing an
> eight episode series from Paul Reiser and David Steven Simon that takes
> place backstage at The Tonight Show. The Carson estate is involved and real
> show footage will be used on the series.
>
> http://deadline.com/2016/10/seeso-theres-johnny-tonight-
> show-johnny-carson-behind-scenes-comedy-series-paul-reiser-1201834611/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Mark Jeffries]

We shall see.

BTW. Roker did enter the hospital for hip replacement surgery yesterday
(best of luck) and Carson the Tool is filling in for him as "Today"'s 9
a.m. host.  I assume someone from the Weather Channel is filling in for
Roker for the weather reports.

Mark Jeffries
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM, PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
>> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
>> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>>
>> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on
>> "Shark Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>>
>> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access"
>> aired on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements,
>> to no avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical
>> reasons, was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably
>> neutral in his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate
>> that Roker (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning
>> Bush's absence.
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that
>>> he is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I
>>> don't think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but
>>> that anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
>>> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
>>> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie 
 wrote:

> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett
> lawsuit (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine),
> as whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>
> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in 
> some
> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least 
> because
> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had 
> aired
> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
> on the show.
>
> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard
> to imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump
> stood, I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security
> of the footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump
> supporter.
>
> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along
> the line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away
> somewhere.
>

 Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his
 production company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights
 now. Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV.
 In any case the $5 million threat was never made.

 I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
 morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
 footage.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Tom Wolper]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>

I always assumed that an employee would be the one to hand over footage.
And it has to be done anonymously, meaning that the news organization
cannot know the source. This came up when the NYT published the Trump state
tax return with the $916M loss. The reporter went to her snail mail box in
the office and saw the manila envelope. If she knew who sent it, NYT's
legal department would have forced her to sit on it or find another way to
get it out in public. If she knew the source, in a courtroom she could be
compelled to reveal it of face contempt charges.

So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[PGage]

But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to key
footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against the
wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
who would pay the penalty.

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>
> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on "Shark
> Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>
> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access" aired
> on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements, to no
> avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical reasons,
> was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably neutral in
> his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate that Roker
> (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning Bush's absence.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
> 
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  > wrote:
>
>> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that
>> he is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I
>> don't think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but
>> that anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
>> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
>> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett
 lawsuit (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine),
 as whether someone actually has access to the rushes.

 I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
 show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
 vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
 of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
 - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
 Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
 him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
 one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
 on the show.

 Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard
 to imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump
 stood, I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security
 of the footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump
 supporter.

 It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along
 the line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away
 somewhere.

>>>
>>> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
>>> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
>>> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
>>> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>>>
>>> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
>>> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
>>> footage.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bayless Sends FS1's Viewership Skyrocketing (Surprisingly)

[Joe Hass]

That they've had an audience was never in doubt (see: First Take). What is
dramatic is that Bayless actually brought people to America's Favorite
Scratch Sports Cable Network. Given the Coward/Whitlock "All Takes Matter"*
gabfest continues to do nothing, that Skip/Shannon did something is quite
amazing.

* I cannot remember for the life of me what the actual name of this show
is, but that's what Deadspin always calls it, and that's stuck with me.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:34 PM, Mark Jeffries 
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> Former ESPN exec (and NBC News for a brief moment) Jamie Horowitz's
> attempt to raise the visibility of Fox's struggling sports channel seems to
> be working--since "Skip and Shannon Undisputed," his carbon of the
> Worldwide Leader's "First Take" with Skip Bayless moving over as the Idiot
> White Guy and Shannon Sharpe replacing Stephen A. Smith as the Pissed Off
> Black Guy (and Joy Taylor as the Hot Babe Moderator) started a month ago,
> FS1's ratings for the morning show are up in its time slot 358 percent (733
> percent in the demo), and giving a rainbow effect to its lead-out, a talk
> show fronted by Colin Cowherd, another ex-ESPNer:
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/skip-bayless-undisputed-fox-sports-
> 1-herd-shannon-sharpe-tv-ratings/
>
> I guess it means that as loathsome as these sports debate shows are, they
> do have an audience and that there are young males home in the mornings who
> would rather watch Bayless and Sharpe yelling at each other instead of
> Kelly Ripa or Kathie Lee and Hoda (or even Drew Carey and Wayne
> Brady)--until Springer comes on.
>
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[TV orNotTV] For Seeso: a new sitcom based backstage at the Carson Tonight Show

[Tom Wolper]

Seeso is a comedy streaming site owned by NBCU. They are announcing an
eight episode series from Paul Reiser and David Steven Simon that takes
place backstage at The Tonight Show. The Carson estate is involved and real
show footage will be used on the series.

http://deadline.com/2016/10/seeso-theres-johnny-tonight-show-johnny-carson-behind-scenes-comedy-series-paul-reiser-1201834611/

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[TV orNotTV] I think I've just seen a record...

[Bob Jersey]

...for the use of "America"/"American" in a media article... it's about TV 
shows with either of said words in their titles, and the reasoning behind 
such usage.  It's from Lesley Goldberg of THR 
 
(link), of course.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Tom Wolper]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> TMZ
> 
> (link) is diving into the fray... they were told Bush bragged about the
> tape to network brass during the Olympics, and nothing was done about it
> then... giving him potential immunity down the road...
>

If Trump and Ailes and Bannon form a cable TV channel Bush might get a new
job. Otherwise he's finished in TV or at least pushed off to some low rated
cable channel.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Bob Jersey]

TMZ 

 
(link) is diving into the fray... they were told Bush bragged about the 
tape to network brass during the Olympics, and nothing was done about it 
then... giving him potential immunity down the road...

B

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[doug]

Looks like Dick Wolf is going to beat her to the punch, with SVU.http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/entertainment/law-and-order-svu-election-episode/index.html Doug FieldsTampa, FL


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Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar
comments about women?
From: Doug Eastick 
Date: Wed, October 12, 2016 11:49 am
To: "tvornottv@googlegroups.com" 

I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the plot of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a misogynist) On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure (CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm" (TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B  --  --  TV or Not TV  The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.   --  --  TV or Not TV  The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 





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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Steve Timko]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-nbcs-infotainment-agenda-led-937517

Some thoughts on conflicting goals at NBC.

⁣Not sent from an iPhone.​

On Oct 12, 2016, 8:49 AM, at 8:49 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the
>plot
>of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a
>misogynist)
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Bob Jersey 
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure
>>
>
>> (CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm
>>
>"
>> (TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Doug Eastick]

I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the plot
of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a
misogynist)



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> Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure
> 
> (CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm
> "
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

[Bob Jersey]

Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure 
 
(CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm 
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(TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B

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[TV orNotTV] Re: 9/11/01 what did you watch?

[Paul Gallagher]

I taped the news all that day, and later managed accidentally to tape over 
every single one of the tapes. Also - I lived in downtown Manhattan, and 
someone had to remind me to stop watching television, and to go see what 
was happening outside, in real life.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Sic or Dick?

[JW]

> I am smiling as I read this, but also, yes - this is a great illustration
> of my point. What if my post above was for some reason quoted in an AP
> story? I am writing here informally and quickly, wouldn't I feel like the
> editor was a dick if they put [sic] after my mistaken it's? (Answer: yes,
I
> would).

If I'm reading the quote, and I notice the error, there are two places it
can come from. Either the publication made a transcription error, or it was
wrong in the original quote. Adding "[sic]" just tells me whose mistake it
was. I don't see it as criticism, or dickishness.

And if the publication doesn't want to run the error, Bill Partsch has done
a nice job of describing several ways they can get around it.

> Now my relationship to the Twitter is still rocky, and as Joe pointed out,
> it may be that a post on Twitter is assumed to be more formal than a post
> on a listserv, in which case perhaps my original perception was a bit
> skewed.

Most tweets tend to be informal, and are treated as such.

Similarly, just about everything we post here is reasonably informal, and
nobody gets grief for typos in their posts.

That said, if you're making a public statement that you expect to be widely
seen, whether it's on a listserv, on a social medium, or in a press
release, it's incumbent on you to clean up your text. You'll have to live
with whatever errors people point out, and some will be gentler about how
they point them out than others.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sic or Dick?

[PGage]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:

> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *d...@flids.net
>
> *>>*"For example, imagine a relative of someone killed in a mass shooting
> writes in a tweet: "This death is going to effect our family for a long
> time". Does the AP really need to add a dickish [sic] to point out that
> it's editors read Strunk and White and the ignorant regular person did
> not?"
>
> >
>
> >..."point out that [its] editors read"...
>
> >
>
> >*mischievous grin*
>

I am smiling as I read this, but also, yes - this is a great illustration
of my point. What if my post above was for some reason quoted in an AP
story? I am writing here informally and quickly, wouldn't I feel like the
editor was a dick if they put [sic] after my mistaken it's? (Answer: yes, I
would).

Now my relationship to the Twitter is still rocky, and as Joe pointed out,
it may be that a post on Twitter is assumed to be more formal than a post
on a listserv, in which case perhaps my original perception was a bit
skewed.

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