Re: [TV orNotTV] NY Post: Joe Buck to ESPN, MNF
I think the Buck detractors are very vocal and also few in number. Here’s Mike Florio speculating that having Buck and Aikman on MNF will drive ratings down for the Manningcast: https://youtu.be/iCs-1yQchi4 > On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote: > > > The Mannings ought to be tickled to death as the ratings for their ESPN2 > "Manningcast" of MNF will be going up, up, up... > > Mark Jeffries > spotligh...@gmail.com > > >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 3:32 PM Joe Hass wrote: >> https://nypost.com/2022/03/11/joe-buck-expected-to-leave-fox-sports-for-huge-espn-deal/ >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2BcNSJmByfatN5q4mp3-eVDdhWBt_xNs%2Bywc75GOD%3DHLTA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJ_uKi99i6eOQatHKXU2eyzpiu1%2BA%2BcC4jq6VKnaWh-SwMiNNw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/442BDEA9-76B3-4A09-AAD7-0AE73F9D89BD%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Zucker out at CNN
I guess “beloved by colleagues” won’t be Zucker’s legacy. > On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:17 PM, Paul Murray wrote: > > > 'Cuomo-W. Trump-L.': How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the > News > https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeff-zucker-cnn-resign-affair-cuomo-trump-1319698/ > > "... as was revealed days later in a statement by WarnerMedia CEO Jason > Kilar, that probe turned up not only Zucker and Gollust’s affair, but also > violations of journalistic best practices around the couple’s cozy > relationship with the governor. The initial suggestion was that these > failings were recent — lapses that took place during the extraordinary times > of the pandemic. But according to dozens of former colleagues who spoke with > Rolling Stone, they marked the culmination of Zucker’s three-plus decades > spent in a craven pursuit of ratings and power, a career that would foster a > toxic culture at two networks and fan the flames of the disinformation age > along the way." > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05:57 AM UTC-5 PGage wrote: >> So this definitely the other shoe dropping, or at least beginning to drop. >> CNN’s Bryant Stelter, in his newsletter on this last night, made the key >> observation: >> “Based on interviews of more than 40 individuals and a review of over >> 100,000 texts and emails, the investigation found violations of Company >> policies, including CNN's News Standards and Practices, by Jeff Zucker, >> Allison Gollust, and Chris Cuomo." >> >> So Kilar is specifically referencing the newsroom's standards and practices >> guidebook. Zucker's resignation memo referenced his failure to disclose his >> romantic relationship with Gollust, a violation of business conduct, not >> news standards.” >> >> https://view.newsletters.cnn.com/messages/16449872977794c7c812bc476/raw >> >> It never really made sense that Zucker (who is an asshole) would be fired >> for not formally disclosing a romantic relationship that everyone in the >> company already knew about. It does make sense that he was fired for >> violating core news standards, apparently having to do with being more aware >> and even involved with Chris’s efforts to help brother Andrew out. >> >> Whether Zucker(and his GF Gollust) were actually guilty of News standards >> violations will now be in dispute, but he was forced out of his powerful job >> at CNN because his superiors were convinced he was. Or because Cuomo had >> information that could make it look like he was, and was threatening to >> disclose it unless he got paid. >> >> Bottom line, Zucker got in trouble because he was in bed with the Cuomos, >> not because he was in bed with Gollust. Something like this was always a >> real danger as soon as they brought the brother of the nation’s most >> powerful governor in to be their highest profile anchor, a situation that >> required the most aggressive and disciplined management, and instead >> increasingly was managed sloppy and off the cuff. >> >> >>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 5:38 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >>> wrote: >>> The woman on the other end of that relationship, Allison Gollust, is also >>> parting, after she was found to have (also) been involved in the sitch >>> involving the Cuomos... >>> >>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/allison-gollust-resign-cnn-warnermedia-1235183160/ >>> (link) B >>> >>> PGage, to Paul Murray, Feb 2nd: I may not have mentioned recently that Jeff Zucker is an asshole. If the truth is as reported, the relationship per se should not have resulted in his losing his job. Two divorced adults in a consensual sexual relationship. He is her boss, and should have registered it with HR (as we learned in “The Office”), but that omission by itself is not a capital crime. I think the problem is that Zucker dragged his feet with and protected Cuomo, and now it looks like that damaging decision may have been driven by his own situation. I am going to think of Zucker as losing his job because of how he dealt with Cuomo, not because he did not file the proper paperwork. >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/95c43f51-6f3c-4837-a952-fdd341fb2d03n%40googlegroups.com. >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit >
Re: [TV orNotTV] AppleTV+ Streams MLB on Fridays (If There is a Season)
I live in an NL city and I liked the strategy around deciding whether to let a pitcher bat or put in a pinch hitter and call for a reliever. In the last couple of seasons I’ve seen the game slow down so much that it’s hard to sit through and if a DH can speed things up a bit I’m for it. It also happens that a DH is universal in baseball except for the NL and AAA and AA games when both teams are NL affiliates. When young players are coming up as pitchers they are not learning to bat at a higher level. > On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:08 PM, PGage wrote: > > > The lede that is buried here for me: Universal DH. > > I am old enough to remember baseball when there was universal no DH, and > those days were much better. I despise the DH, but have consoled myself that > at least it has provided an enduring way to differentiate the two leagues. > Differentiation is what helps to justify and make meaningful the World > Series, which, particularly since inter league play (something else I > continue to dislike) has become less and less important. > >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 1:09 PM Brad Beam wrote: >> To answer the subject header - there will be a (full 162-game) season. >> >> https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-cba.html >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Mar 10, 2022, at 15:57, Mark Jeffries wrote: >>> A live doubleheader every Friday night with no local blackouts, AppleTV >>> users who don't subscribe to + will get to see the first few weeks of >>> games--there'll also be a weeknightly highlights and live look-in show >>> called "MLB Big Inning": >> >>> >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/apple-major-league-baseball-streaming-1235106716/ >>> >>> No indication of announcers or hosts or if they're just piping in local >>> coverage. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/d53a8ac8-f45d-4845-8b55-017257af16fen%40googlegroups.com. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/95514BBC-620D-4575-B79A-0F02889F0A8F%40suddenlink.net. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKBaJxguv%3DE80ps4_DnTchS2xf552tNGifYHnqe%2BS7txQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CC9E6797-529E-4218-AD55-BCFC3FD7C82D%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Mayim Bialik *is* Anti-Vax, But Not Anti-COVID Vaccine
I’ve been meaning to comment on this thread but when I form my argument it spins out to something book length. So I have taken my time and this is me trying to be concise. To begin this is not a defense of Mayim Bialik or what she has written about vaccines. I support the mandatory vaccination of children. In our capitalist system we allow monopolies by regulating them as utilities. An advantage of a single payer healthcare system is that we could treat healthcare and wellness as utilities instead of as a marketplace. A marketplace has two properties: it’s open to all ideas and its basic unit is the individual. In a marketplace people make their choices according to what they can afford and whatever motivates them to choose. In an ideal marketplace the aggregate of decisions favors the good options and drives out the bad. A marketplace is easily corrupted by money and any number of biases including grifters. Structurally the US is determined to keep healthcare and wellness as a marketplace no matter what the consequences to health. This isn’t about vaccines. Every aspect of our health has become subject to these market rules. Each of us has to filter the information and make the best decisions. To take everyday decisions about things like diet or supplements, where do we find good information or more to the point how do we filter out bad information? Our system won’t exclude anybody from offering anything that promotes health unless the product causes measurable harm or makes specific unsubstantiated claims. We live with it. I was in a drugstore in the cold remedy and pain reliever aisle when I saw an interesting new medicine. I looked on the back of the package to see what the active ingredient was and it took some investigation into the fine print to find it was homeopathic. Now I know homeopathy is a scam but I wouldn’t in good conscience try to talk a stranger in the same aisle out of buying the remedy let alone try to get the drugstore chain to stop carrying that brand. The other part of this is that we see healthcare decisions as individual decisions and not community decisions. We then see healthy people as people who made good decisions and people with healthcare problems and some disabilities as people who made bad decisions without regard to outside factors like socioeconomic status or access to healthy food or medical help. As consumers we look to make choices for what will bring personal rewards. Vaccines don’t do this. We take them when we’re healthy. What they do provide is community reward. They not only prevent us from getting the disease they keep us from infecting others. This isn’t hard to grasp but it is counterintuitive to the incentives of our healthcare marketplace. In regards to “do your own research,” we read it as “keep your bias and find research that confirms it” but with all of the bad information out there in the healthcare marketplace it’s also vital to do just to figure out who the grifters are and how to avoid bad decisions. When someone puts forward bad medical advice we have to judge by intent to figure out some kind of social sanction. Mayim Bialik is misguided but is not a charlatan or a grifter. Oprah and Dr Oz aren’t either yet they opened the floodgates to charlatans and grifters on their shows and today Oprah is deified and Dr Oz won’t get off my TV in PA. Bialik and her misinformation are a result of the way we treat healthcare and wellness in this country and the remedy is a systemic change rather than canceling her. > On Feb 22, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > You both say it better than I could. > >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:58 AM Adam Bowie wrote: >> This is the line that you quote that annoys me the most: >> >> “We made an informed decision not to vaccinate our children…but this is a >> very personal decision that should be made only after sufficient research, >> which today is within reach of every parent who seeks to learn about their >> child’s health regardless of their medical knowledge or educational status.” >> >> That's simply not true. "Every parent" cannot do "sufficient research" on >> these kinds of subjects. >> >> To be clear, there are very few of us that can honestly "research" things >> like immunology. Whenever I hear anyone say that they're "doing their own >> research" I despair, as this isn't the kind of thing you can casually >> Google. >> >> To be clear, when I buy, say, a new camera, I do some online "research" but >> in truth, that probably means visiting websites I trust, and reading pieces >> written by people I believe have sufficient knowledge about the product that >> I can get a reasonably informed determination on the merits of said camera. >> Even then, I can't be a 100%. Maybe the reviewer skews towards a particular >> brand that they have an affiliation with. Maybe there's some kind of >> unethical deal going on behind the scenes. I'd hope
Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Judge Jerry' Disbarred, 'Good Dish' Down the Drain
Springer is 78 years old. If he wanted to restart his talk show he would have to find a producer, put together a crew, and negotiate a syndication deal with an obsolete format. Why would he bother? > On Mar 9, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote: > > Jerry Springer's courtroom show, syndicated by NBCUniversal, is done after > three years--and we suspect Springer will take retirement instead of coming > back to the talk show: > > https://deadline.com/2022/03/judge-jerry-canceled-jerry-springer-court-show-end-third-season-1234974835/ > > And "The Good Dish," the cooking show starring Dr. Oz's daughter that > replaced his quack medicine show when he decided to run for Senator from > Pennsylvania, is done after a half-season in syndication, seemingly because > the Fox-owned stations decided to go with Jennifer Hudson's talk show from > NBCU--Sony says it's looking to continue the show on cable or streaming: > > https://deadline.com/2022/03/the-good-dish-canceled-no-season-2-syndication-1234974476/ > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/bc45a80f-0a29-4459-a3b9-583140839f42n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/BE26852E-0BC4-4FB6-8089-554AC973BF18%40gmail.com.
[TV orNotTV] USFL weirdness
A new USFL, owned by Fox Sports, is preparing to start a spring football league. There are 8 teams which have old USFL team names although all of the games will be played in Birmingham. A group of former team owners and executives from the original USFL is suing the new league and is asking for an injunction to keep them from playing. They contend the new league doesn’t have the rights to the league and team names and logos. That can’t be right, can it? A professional organization wouldn’t just take intellectual property without actually acquiring the rights. And yet that is what they seemed to do, claiming that they they are a completely different entity and thus don’t owe for rights. But if they’re a completely different entity why use the old league’s names and logos? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33395883/former-owners-executives-original-usfl-sue-fox-sports-halt-launch-new-spring-football-league-same-name https://deadspin.com/boot-this-reboot-1848609325 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/9DDE9B3C-0679-4F61-93B4-70E2F34A7804%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] First two series of MLB season kablooey
The NFL owners figured out how to do real revenue sharing so that a team from Green Bay can have a chance each year. > On Mar 2, 2022, at 3:33 PM, PGage wrote: > > > The people who own and operated the NFL are among the worst human beings in > the world, but they know how to market their sport. The people who own and > operate MLB teams most of the time seem to not know what they are doing. > >> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:25 AM wrote: >> I wouldn’t be buying season tickets just yet. >> On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:46 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/major-league-baseball-cancels-opening-day-lockout-1235102367/ >>> (link) >> >>> >>> B >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/a9fde538-5b5a-42cb-8661-f0d1e0037d08n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/C63B91AC-C9D9-4577-BAD6-5B576FF502AA%40gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKHt2uw22qQ%2BuNPOE%2Bt2uWoE10Yo%2BTXe%3DgLNGqLEsdaHQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/91078F46-FF9D-47A6-AC3D-3EA2BC36F3CA%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] First two series of MLB season kablooey
I wouldn’t be buying season tickets just yet. > On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:46 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/major-league-baseball-cancels-opening-day-lockout-1235102367/ > (link) > > B > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/a9fde538-5b5a-42cb-8661-f0d1e0037d08n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/C63B91AC-C9D9-4577-BAD6-5B576FF502AA%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Invasion Coverage
I just want to note that the streaming business is still in its infancy and it’s preliminary to guess what news will be like in the future based on current models. When TV networks started offering national news broadcasts they weren’t expected to make money; they were there to show viewers that TV was as good a source for news as radio, newspapers, and magazines. Networks and cable news channels may see a streaming option as fragmenting their audience thus limiting the resources to grow and develop it. If Amazon or Apple set up a streaming news service that lost them a billion dollars a year, that’s change in the couch cushions for them. > On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:42 PM, PGage wrote: > > > I wonder if the US could make some kind of deal, perhaps based on agreeing to > waive challenges to media aggregation in violation of anti trust laws, in > exchange for an obligation to DP set up certain minimum public service > programming, including robust news gathering, a la what they did for > broadcasters? > >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 8:33 AM Adam Bowie wrote: >> PGage wrote: >> >> "I admit to not having a good understanding of what a streaming-dominant >> television world will look like. I am not sure how linear news divisions >> could be maintained without a critical sized audience. aBC can always have >> talking heads and broadcast video it gets from others, but whatever vestige >> remains of an actual news gathering operation could not be maintained if it >> only had sizable numbers of viewers during intermediate crises. Maybe >> streaming networks will be able to support real news divisions in the >> future, but my experience with Netflix like operations has not included many >> live programs. Lives sporting events is the exception, but those are set >> pieces, relatively passive. Will a day come when one of the options on >> Amazon or Netflix or Disney is a live Newscast?" >> >> This is an interesting question. Currently channels like CNN and Fox News >> are profitable because they create appointment to view programming in >> primetime that can be sold to advertisers, but also those cable bundle >> revenues. As the cable audience declines and everyone moves to streaming, at >> some point that becomes a significant challenge. >> >> I do think that at some point bundles will be become bigger and slightly >> less fluid than they are now. It's really not in, say, Disney's interest >> that I can subscribe for a month, binge the latest series and then cancel. >> If that churn becomes a major problem, then I can see it becoming more like >> traditional cable contracts where you have to subscribe for a year or more, >> and can't cancel at a moment's notice. On the other hand, it's entirely >> likely that Disney will eventually push you to a Disney/Hulu/ESPN combo, >> just as Warner-Discovery push you to an HBO Max/Discovery+/CNN combo. >> >> The question is whether everyone will do news, and what we've seen in recent >> years is that with a few exceptions, news isn't all that profitable. Local >> news outlets have gone, and even the local TV news operations which are >> perhaps profitable right now, rely on network TV to maintain their position. >> When those viewers go, where does leave those who can't pay or at least >> subsidise local news? Big regional US papers seem to be in the hands of >> asset-stripping hedge funds who probably aren't looking more than a handful >> of years forward. And then there are a few who are in much better positions >> and are cleaning up. The New York Times busily growing a powerful subs >> business, and the Washington Post having a benign billionaire owning it >> (benign in that I don't believe he interferes editorially). Globally, beyond >> CNN and some specialist financial news players like Bloomberg and CNBC, you >> have state funded outlets. The BBC is paid for directly via UK licence fees >> by citizens (although some of it is ad-supported). See also Deutsche Welle, >> Al Jazeera and many others. There are agencies like Reuters and AP, but >> they require subscribing services to stay afloat. >> >> Lack of news means a challenge to democracy. If you don't know what's >> happening then anything could be happening. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKGsJzdW2QVYJGTnHLzBjKtPYZer6%3D9SoVTsfs-ei2DXw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit
Re: [TV orNotTV] Invasion Coverage
I’m with Kevin on the state of US TV news. If I think about how the news stations are going to cover the invasion I know they are going to talk about how it’s going to affect the upcoming US elections. I lived in Israel for years and I remember cable TV came with CNN International. If something big happened locally and I turned on CNN to see their coverage, it was about how the event would affect Americans or US foreign policy. I followed the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions closely in both the newspapers and on TV. From day to day there wasn’t a whole lot new to cover and in retrospect they missed the story in a big way. I don’t trust them to get this story right. > On Feb 27, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > You make my point for me. Experts are now available online without a network > filter. Survivor and victim accounts are also available. If I’m going to try > to stomach Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow, they need to offer something I can’t > get elsewhere. > > Like you, I’ve turned to TV during Breaking News throughout my life, too. But > now I not only don’t miss it, but feel I’m better informed by virtue of not > watching it. > >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 6:04 PM PGage wrote: >> While there is something to your critique, I think it is overly harsh. I >> have seen several recognized experts on both Russia and Ukraine interviewed >> many times, providing both general context but also targeted context and >> analysis if minute by minute events. They have interviewed Ukrainians >> getting out, and those staying. They have video, and interviews, with >> officials from surrounding nations, NATO, and the EU. Yes, I have seen much >> of this online as well, but television news has, during my lifetime, been an >> import supplement to print journalism, and institutional, legacy media are >> an essential counterweight to much of the freelance reporting one sees on >> Social Media, which has less concern with its reputation and credibility. >> >> I’m not saying we would be blind without linear television news, but there >> would be a hole. >> >>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 at 5:54 PM Kevin M. wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 1:47 PM PGage wrote >>> . . What would happen if there were no more “linear” television outlets on stories like these? I read the papers often during the day, and the AP, and Twitter, but there would be a huge hole without television news organizations with ongoing assets in the field. Will Amazon or Hulu be doing that down the road? I guess I will have to get CNN+ >>> >>> Really? A huge hole? What context are TV news providing? What, other than >>> the instantaneous visuals of explosions, are they contributing to the >>> story? I’m unaware of any experts on Ukraine employed by CNN or MSNBC… they >>> might exist, but I can’t imagine they prepared for this eventuality, even >>> though Putin has been preparing for this for more than a decade so they had >>> plenty of time to develop sources and establish solid connections to the >>> region. >>> >>> I haven’t watched any TV coverage, and I don’t feel I’m missing out. I have >>> friends in the area, so I can see any immediate events on social media. For >>> context there are stories from AP and BBC. Both NPR and MarketPlace have >>> done a decent job explaining the impact of war in the region on US economy >>> and life. I fail to see any advantage in whatever CNN or MSNBC might be >>> bloviating about. >>> >>> I’m taking this war personally. I was in Kazakhstan 20 years ago when Putin >>> murdered a school full of men, women, and children in Beslan. And I watched >>> when he attacked Crimea. And Georgia. He’s patient and methodical, and the >>> so called international community has let him get away with this crap over >>> and over again. The US isn’t a moral leader anymore, and we’re on the cusp >>> of ceasing to be a superpower, but we could still be acting against Putin >>> with more than economic sanctions. As could a dozen other nations. >>> >>> Putin won’t stop until he’s forcibly removed from office or assassinated. >>> That’s the reality. Even if he’s convinced to stop attacking Ukraine, he >>> will shift targets or wait until we are distracted and strike again. The TV >>> news media is too dumbed down and too political to cover this situation >>> with any degree of quality or depth. >>> >>> >>> -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYK7D6hT7SF-BOS%3DS233RxsL1BNG4OfO75UA1YqqpXS7dQ%40mail.gmail.com. >>> -- >>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are
Re: [TV orNotTV] KTLA was there!
>From what I remember reading back in the day, the MTM writers said Baxter was >based on both Putnam and Dunphy. > On Feb 26, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote: > > > Of course Jerry Dunphy said it on KABC--and I thought *he* was the model for > Ted Baxter. > > Mark Jeffries > spotligh...@gmail.com > > >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 1:10 PM PGage wrote: >> I forgot about Elvira on KHJ, we watched that too (I older than you, and >> watching for more prurient interests no doubt). I know Dunphy moved around >> too, but for me he is always associated with KNXT (“from the mountains to >> the sea…” did he say that at KABC too?) >> >> My go to local newscasters were Tom Brokaw and Jess Marlow, and then of >> course Tom Snyder. >> >>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 8:13 AM Kevin M. wrote: >>> My childhood memories of the local station were mostly cartoon related. >>> KTLA had the worst of the cartoons (looking at you, Popeye) as well as Tom >>> Hatten hosting the Family Film Festival, which were the films that either >>> didn’t have copyright because they were poorly dubbed international films, >>> i. e. Pippi Longstocking or old and unrestored so copyright had expired, >>> which meant they were free to air. They also had Knight Rider in daytime >>> syndication. KCOP and KTTV had either a Cartoon Carnival or Cartoon Circus, >>> which fluctuated between the Warner cartoons or the Tom & Jerry (and >>> friends). But it was during my childhood that first run syndicated cartoons >>> thrived, which included Transformers and GI Joe. KTTV had Robotech, which >>> was to me a game changer. KTLA burned off Three Stooges. KHJ had Elvira, >>> Mistress of the Dark. >>> >>> When we watched the news, it was usually KABC with Jerry Dunphy and Dr >>> George. I know I watched the Challenger explode on KTLA because I was in >>> Catholic school in West Covina at the time, and for some reason they could >>> only pick up channel 5 at school. The article referenced the Rose Parade, >>> which was only worth watching with Bob and Stephanie doing commentary. >>> >>> Honorable mention to KCET for everything from Huell Howser to Monty Python >>> to Square One (and Mathnet) to Simon & Garfunkel’s Concert in Central Park >>> to This Old House to the Frugal Gourmet. Because man cannot live by >>> cartoons alone. >>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 7:09 AM PGage wrote: >>> So, this sent me to Wikipedia, which was oddly non specific about the stations Putnam worked at. They do say that he anchored the news for all 4 LA independent stations (KTLA, KHJ, KTTV and KCOP), but they don’t give the years for each station. They do say that he was replaced by Hal Fishman in 1975, without giving the station, but that has to be KTLA, which comes close to my memory. For my sister and I, as kids, KHJ was for the Million Dollar movie (I remember seeing “The Blob” for the first time, and also “Goldfinger”). KTTV and KCOP were for cartoons and kid shows (I think Wonderama and Jerry Mahoney were on KTTV), and also re-runs (Star Trek I think was on KTTV when I was rushing home to watch it in syndication in the 70s). Also I think Vince and the Dodgers were on KTTV when I was a kid, and Lakers in KHJ. > On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 1:41 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > I remember Putnam at KTTV and KCOP, but not at KTLA, though I'll happily > admit I'm wrong. > > L.A.'s independent stations were a mixed bag, at best. KTTV probably had > the best film library, but also had Ben Hunter (he who inspired Carson's > Tea-Time Movie*) constantly selling you-finish A-frame homes. KHJ took > occasional risks (I remember one week they devoted to 50s programming, > complete with commercials, playing it straight-faced), and had the > Million Dollar Movie and Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan, and monster > movies on the weekend. KCOP was hopeless, with seemingly no budgets for > anything and the worst house-made local commercials. KTLA was somewhere > in the middle, with reruns, a good film library (mainly Goldwyn and what > movies Paramount hadn't sold to Universal), Tom Hatten, and great news > broadcast (I thought Hal Fishman and Stan Chambers were immortal), all > subject to the whims of Gene Autry. > > (*Watching "Whew!" on Buzzr last week, they're finally up to the > "celebrity" episodes and Carol Wayne was one of the guests. I was kind of > surprised to see she really was that dim.) > > --Dave Sikula > >> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 5:59:40 PM UTC-8 PGage wrote: >> The article skips from 1964 to 1979, which is most of the interval of my >> experience with KTLA (I left LA in 1987, and my memory begins around >> 1967). For me they were the home of Dick Enberg and the Angels, and old >> movies to watch
Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Gary Brooker
In my early days listening to Spotify I would look for bands who had a single I knew growing up and I would listen to a couple of their albums. I wasted my time listening to about 3 Procol Harum albums just to find out they never did anything else that was in the ballpark of Whiter Shade of Pale. > On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > Who over 50 here doesn't remember his singin' in the group Procol Harum? > Adam? (a bunch of Top of the Pops?) Anyone else? (Carson AND Letterman just > after the guys reunited in 1991?) > > At his British home last Saturday (19); 76. > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/gary-brooker-dead-procol-harum-frontman-1235098646/ > (link) > > B > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/02d85dcf-5edb-4626-ac01-4101c4fd3bc3n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2590C14A-311F-4C9B-96BD-ED8DE4024C35%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Maksim Chmerkovskiy stuck in Ukraine
The UEFA Champions League is the most important tournament in European club football. They were scheduled to play the final in St Petersburg on May 28. This morning they changed the city to Paris. > On Feb 25, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > Eurovision excludes Russia from participating in their song contest > > https://www.ebu.ch/news/2022/02/ebu-statement-on-russia-in-the-eurovision-song-contest-2022 > > >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 6:12 PM PGage wrote: >> I’ve never seen his show and don’t recognize the name, but have a patient >> who is a recent immigrant from Ukraine, and have been reading and listening >> to lots of stories today from folks living through the invasion. Just >> heartbreaking. I hope for the best for this guy, and his countrymen. >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 12:07 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >>> wrote: >>> As Russia continues its invasion and the capital, Kyiv, is being shelled, >>> he shows his desperation over IG... >>> https://deadline.com/2022/02/maksim-chmerkovskiy-dancing-kyiv-messages-1234959520/ >>> (link) >>> >>> B >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/5437f1aa-dddb-4e2b-a939-0ad3f26c1119n%40googlegroups.com. >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BTQ%3D8nkK7wKRWzXnpaGv5xTaw6smnw5YChxrQyfzefgA%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CPFkUV0b1nWZz27SpMRniqvKkYg3gy2fwUMMP8w81VXQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2B880C57-B362-4BAC-9C60-66FD91CEF84E%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Louis CK thinks he’s served his time
He’s no Bob Hope. > On Feb 25, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > His website no longer lists the Kiev dates > >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:48 PM Steve Timko wrote: >> Louis CK will still perform sows in Kiev this weekend >> >> https://nypost.com/2022/02/24/louis-ck-to-perform-in-kyiv-in-the-midst-of-russian-invasion/? >> >>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:57 PM Doug Eastick wrote: >>> Kevin I'm dying laughing here. >>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 9:08 PM Kevin M., wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 8:04 PM Steve Timko wrote: > I'd go if the ticket prices were not too high. I’d protest if I didn’t occasionally get mistaken for CK... not looking to get my ass kicked for crap I didn’t do > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:32 PM Kevin M. >> wrote: >> Protests are planned, but it appears both shows are sold out >> >> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/Protest-Planned-Ahead-of-Louis-CKs-Performance-at-San-Jose-Improv-504393931.html >> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:34 PM Kevin M. >>> wrote: >>> San Jose Improv has booked him for two nights >>> >>> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/Louis-CK-to-Perform-at-San-Jose-Improv-With-New-Material-504359301.html >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:58 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: Moi, NYD: > > > Pete Davidson, after a disturbing Instagram post many took as a > prelude to suicide, resurfaced NYE in Boston for two shows... and > among other things, changed a joke originally aimed at Aziz Ansari to > instead refer to CK... THR (link) > > US magazine (link) added that Davidson's enmity came from CK once trying to get him canned from SNL for pot smoking... B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >> >> >> -- >> Kevin M. (RPCV) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yyb9d7GorukFK5bEdOqU0bc%3Dx6vfuzGWZf6cP3gBpVR4g%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4B55DK1ptevGVwkngpY%3DROy%2BcufcxxrWpKu0wje-mZn%2BA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/D9CD5F9C-8D6F-4EBD-BF74-FB278B116DB7%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Capitol Steps hang it up
Too hard to tell them apart. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:22 PM, Paul Murray wrote: > > Tom, I need a frame of reference here. Are we talking better, worse, or > equivalent to Mark Russell? > >> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote: >> I’m sure the fact they were uniformly unfunny had nothing to do with it. >> On Feb 24, 2022, at 9:00 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: >>> Whilst perusing that same Poynter 'feed' whence came several reports >>> today, I also found (by way of an excellent interview with Spike Lee... >>> yes, he's not dead yet, and it's likely 'cuz he's not arrogant [link]) a >>> WaPo Magazine postscript to the comedy troupe born in the early 80s from >>> staffers for moderate Illinois US Sen. Charles Percy... blame COVID, >>> natch... >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/02/16/capitol-steps-comedy-troupe-folds/ >>> (link) >>> >>> B >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/9e42e809-d39e-4abb-a307-e733767defdbn%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74c7e134-9e78-4a5b-95d1-1591eca4a4f9n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/FD200BC2-987B-4FD2-8653-F4C7B3D7A6EF%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Record low ratings for the Olympics
What I got from our earlier thread was that NBC anticipated a drop in the ratings and worked in enough revenue from streaming to turn a profit. I think we can agree that there’s nothing a broadcast network can do to bring the numbers back up. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 2:12 AM, Steve Timko wrote: > > > https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/2022-winter-olympics-tv-ratings-worst-ever/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yy75gxWFM66kjdr0JiLUWYekj6AEa8KLZJ75pRUVrjJLw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/216973A7-C1D3-40A0-B161-5D63C9414365%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Jerry Lewis accused of sexual misconduct by former co-stars
I read the Vanity Fair article before the LA Times. What Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering are doing is going to actresses from previous generations and getting their recollections about their working conditions and the trauma of sexual harassment and assault from that time. Jerry Lewis was probably the most obnoxious of the harassers and Vanity Fair centered their article around him. But Dick and Ziering aren’t looking to cancel him as much as give a voice to survivors who couldn’t speak up when it happened. I didn’t bother with Allen vs Farrow because even with good intentions they weren’t going to resolve that problem. To use that to cast doubt on the testimony against Lewis is ignoring the stories of the survivors. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 4:44 AM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > > I have little doubt that Lewis was capable of doing this stuff, but what > doubt there is is due to the poisonous well from which the reports stem. > > --Dave Sikula > >> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-8 Bob Jersey wrote: >> " Karen Sharpe, Renée Taylor and Hope Holiday all crossed paths with Lewis >> when the comic was in his 30s and the biggest star at Paramount Pictures. >> All three women are now telling their stories about how Lewis allegedly >> mistreated them. " >> >> The complete autonomy he had over his movies, apparently also applied to >> women, relayed the Dog Trainer from an original Vanity Fair story... >> >> https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-02-23/jerry-lewis-sexual-misconduct-vanity-fair >> (link) >> >> B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/61e0bd08-65ef-4957-973f-d6b4f784e847n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/84C9A986-B4BD-4C17-8EB8-F8F32F1DDA7A%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] IYC: Lindsay Lohan sets the record straight
How long has she had a publicist? I know from hockey and soccer broadcasts that announcers have phonetic lists of how the players want their names pronounced. If there is a certain way Lohan wants her surname pronounced her publicist should have been emphasizing that years ago. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Brad Beam wrote: > > > From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] > > >Her surname rhymes with, f'rinstance, the first name of Owen Wilson. > > GW graduate Jennifer Garner (c/o 90) would have to verify, but I believe it > was “Principal L[owen]” on The Hill. > https://www.wvgazettemail.com/obituaries/larry-w-lohan/article_c49cd0c0-d529-55ae-8048-1bd662900da3.html > > _ _ > |_>|_> Brad Beam- Belle WV > |_>|_> http://www.facebook.com/74bmw > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/00e601d8297f%246431f290%242c95d7b0%24%40suddenlink.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/77304D5E-F192-45B5-9D30-6242DCD712E5%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Capitol Steps hang it up
I’m sure the fact they were uniformly unfunny had nothing to do with it. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 9:00 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > Whilst perusing that same Poynter 'feed' whence came several reports today, > I also found (by way of an excellent interview with Spike Lee... yes, he's > not dead yet, and it's likely 'cuz he's not arrogant [link]) a WaPo Magazine > postscript to the comedy troupe born in the early 80s from staffers for > moderate Illinois US Sen. Charles Percy... blame COVID, natch... > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/02/16/capitol-steps-comedy-troupe-folds/ > (link) > > B > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/9e42e809-d39e-4abb-a307-e733767defdbn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/5971E3D4-C307-49E3-9875-20DE8DBE4C0A%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO orders 10 episodes of 'Game of Thrones' prequel
Of course he loves it. He’s doing a fraction of the work he had to do for the Fire and Ice series and he got paid tons of money in advance. > On Feb 18, 2022, at 11:11 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > They've wrapped filming on "HotD," and Mr Martin has seen the rough cuts, > "and I’m loving them." > > As to a premiere date? He adds, "Who knows? You’ll know when we do." > > https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-wraps-filming-season-1-1235185841/ > (link) B > > Steve Timko, Oct 31st 2019: >> >> LOS ANGELES (AP) - HBO is green-lighting a new "Game of Thrones" prequel >> after reportedly canceling another that starred Naomi Watts. >> >> The cable channel said Tuesday that it's given a 10-episode order to "House >> of the Dragon," set 300 years before the original series that ended its >> eight-season run in May. >> >> The prequel is based on George R.R. Martin's "Fire & Blood," HBO said. >> >> The series was announced by HBO programming president Casey Bloys during a >> presentation for HBO Max, the streaming service launching in May 2020 . A >> spinoff of HBO megahit "Game of Thrones" would be a key attraction in the >> increasingly crowded streaming marketplace. >> >> HBO declined comment on reports Tuesday that it had dropped another "Game of >> Thrones" prequel starring Naomi Watts that was set thousands of years before >> the original. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2de24017-1744-406d-831f-1b3c6a665620n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/EED8AC75-F025-4220-ACAD-1F1B9CC2DE10%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Marketer: Time for Bud to Shoot the Horse?
Budweiser’s flagship beer hasn’t been their biggest seller in many years (Bud Light is) and it’s taken a back seat in their marketing. The Clydesdale commercial used to appear in the first ad break and in Sunday’s game it didn’t appear until the third quarter. Maybe AB-Inbev can do what they did in the nineties and feature a Clydesdale wearing a baseball cap backwards and riding a skateboard. > On Feb 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote: > > The latest Budweiser Clydesdale (and lab) ad that aired on the Super Bowl > had a much lower score on USA Today's Ad Meter and a more scientific survey > than many of the Bud ads of the past--one marketer says that perhaps the > Clydesdales should be put out to pasture after over 90 years because in > today's multicultural society the horses are "are full representation of [a] > white male persona": > > https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/budweiser-clydesdale-horse-dog-retire/?utm_source=postup_medium=email_campaign=Adweek_Daily_220217054711_id=771453 > > Of course, it could be because the spot was directed by the (coincidentally) > female Asian director responsible for one of the least liked Oscar Best > Picture winners of recent years and the least liked MCU movie of all time. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/5a6407c6-2b38-491d-bfe0-3d8e0213296bn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/4E8058AA-0715-4A68-B3A2-A809E8E6498B%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities
This is a version of a current exurban development strategy. Developers buy up farmland outside a city near a highway, subdivide it, and redone it. Then they build houses and townhouses in the residential areas and bring big box stores and chain restaurants to the commercial areas. Schools, churches, and community buildings follow. The people who move in are upper middle class, native born, and white and this gives them a chance to live, shop, and send their kids to school without having to see any people of color, immigrants, or working class or poor people. Disney isn’t pioneering this kind of development but this is exactly what it will be. Just as the people who live in the exurban developments are looking for a type of cocoon, the people who are attracted to these Disney developments are looking for a special and even more exclusive cocoon. > On Feb 17, 2022, at 3:02 AM, Adam Bowie wrote: > > > I can't be the only one who pictures in their mind some kind of "Stepford > Wives" community where only corporate dictated lifestyles are approved... > > A genuinely hideous proposition. > > (Note: I've never been to a Disney theme park, and have no intention of ever > visiting one, so your mileage may vary.) > >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:02 AM PGage wrote: >> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago - “Celebration”, >> but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and they may have divested it by now. >> >> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with >> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was >> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that >> would make Stepford blush… >> >>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 6:27 PM Kevin M. wrote: >>> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned >>> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt >>> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location… >>> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated >>> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet >>> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he >>> envisioned was shelved. >>> >>> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and age >>> will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused. >>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors; seminars and much more. " https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C (link) B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2f36b55f-d46d-4b48-882a-cc1e8593ef9en%40googlegroups.com. >>> -- >>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4BJgWsCK1yZQ%2BBb3ygVmVbZBp1eVx%2BqbkheCFd3r-AZ4w%40mail.gmail.com. >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BzMrgrxeXCt4V6vmAN--icDPhKk%3DX%2BvZkEo2a3i73P5g%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGD1yU_dRbW_in%2B_ai5L174kqrZAyuGQWT_wvCFP8m9jEQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received
Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
A big part of David Simon’s Homicide book was challenging the tropes of TV crime shows by describing what real cops and the criminal justice system do. Then the Homicide TV series and David Mitch’s NYPD Blue told stories based on a more realistic way of looking at police work. Then CSI came along and reverted to the old tropes and since then the police procedurals are getting consistently more formulaic and less real. > On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Doug Eastick wrote: > > > Wow the Ken Levine article is just perfect. Really perfect. > > > > /Doug > east...@mcd.on.ca > >> On Wed., Feb. 16, 2022, 5:08 p.m. Diner, wrote: >> Ken Levine wrote on his blog about how on the "Hawaii Five-O" reboot, even >> tourists from the mainland seem to know what "Five-O" means... >> https://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-create-hit-network-drama.html >> >> On "Law & Order: Organized Crime," Elliot Stabler works for the "Organized >> Crime Control Bureau." >> Every time I hear that in the intro, I think of the OCB (Organized Crime >> Bureau) which Vinny Terranova worked for on "Wiseguy." >> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:01:52 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote: >>> My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting her. >>> I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, and >>> shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant. >>> > On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November wrote: > Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off from JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy" got dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid. >>> > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote: > I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what > "NCIS" stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series > debuted. > > >>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick wrote: >>> >> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently. >> I then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement. >> Which then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the >> military that they can cover so many stories". I know the latter half >> of that question is irrelevant because it's television, but the first >> question still drove me to google and other searching to learn about the >> scope of NCIS is larger than just within the military. >> >> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia >> >>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray >>> wrote: >>> Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what >>> accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except >>> for any locals they work with. >>> >>> As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO >>> spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so >>> tenuously connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another >>> "unconventional law enforcement team" show. >>> >>> I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in >>> streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at >>> this point. >>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote: The show is based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy). But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the world. Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely including the NCIS. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM To: TVorNotTV Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/ (link) B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock
We can’t know that. If Nielsen was using a flawed methodology we don’t know the margin of error for their numbers. And we certainly have no idea of the margin of error for NBC’s self reported estimates. But concluding the Nielsen numbers are more accurate is relying on Nielsen’s authority. > On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:26 PM, PGage wrote: > > > Right. Whatever the actual validity of Nielsen numbers though, they are > probably better than just relying on self reported estimates from NBC. I was > just pointing that out. > >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 1:16 PM wrote: >> What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about the >> Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing ties. The >> thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen corrected >> whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially in use >> again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen numbers >> they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable. >> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from >>> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here: >>> >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/ >>> >>> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience Delivery,” >>> NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV and >>> Comscore figures for streaming.” >>> >>> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the >>> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out >>> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same >>> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us” >>> (both about 50%). >>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M. wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM wrote: > The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe > journalists are just taking their word for it. I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a newspaper or newscast. Hmmm. > >>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M. wrote: >>> >> > >> Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the >> industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled >> and analyzed? >> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage wrote: >>> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years >>> now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should >>> include some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on >>> established trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance >>> was more or less than expected. This story starts to do that, then >>> wanders off. >>> >>> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then wanders >>> into maybe not so bad. >>> >>> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean >>> what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv >>> content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize >>> that. Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which >>> ratings are severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be >>> financially useful. >>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM wrote: I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated the shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy about this? >> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >> wrote: >> > NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected, > but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased > streaming capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike > Tirico expressed confidence with what went down at Opening > Ceremonies... > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/ > (link) B > > Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th: >> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are >> dying. >> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the >> most-viewed video events in U.S. history” >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/
Re: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US
My mother loved NCIS and I used to catch snippets of it while visiting her. I used to laugh when they would approach a suspect, show their badges, and shout “NCIS!” and the suspect would know what that meant. > On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:59 PM, M-D November wrote: > > Apparently even CBS wasn't confident in the name when NCIS got spun off from > JAG, as when the show premiered, it was titled "Navy NCIS"; the "Navy" got > dropped because...well, it's redundant and stupid. > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:46:26 AM UTC-5 Jim Ellwanger wrote: >> I would bet that the VAST majority of Americans also had no idea what "NCIS" >> stood for (or even that it existed) until the original TV series debuted. >> >> On Feb 16, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Doug Eastick wrote: >>> Canadian here. I had no idea what NCIS stood for until recently.I >>> then learned it was something to do with military law enforcement. Which >>> then made me wonder "how much crime can there be WITHIN the military that >>> they can cover so many stories". I know the latter half of that question >>> is irrelevant because it's television, but the first question still drove >>> me to google and other searching to learn about the scope of NCIS is larger >>> than just within the military. >>> >>> Naval Criminal Investigative Service - Wikipedia >>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 AM Paul Murray wrote: Yet another NCIS spinoff to ignore. My only idle curiosity is what accents the actors will have. By logic, they should be American, except for any locals they work with. As one who has regularly watched the original, I tried the LA and NO spinoffs and quickly abandoned them. LA in particular seemed so tenuously connected to the navy as to be laughable; it's just another "unconventional law enforcement team" show. I still watch the original, although I'm currently weeks behind in streaming it. I think it's the TV equivalent of comfort food for me at this point. > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:15 PM UTC-5 Doug Fields wrote: > The show is based inside the Dept. of Defense (and inside the Navy). > But that shouldn't prohibit shows set outside the US, in the same manner > that the Navy has bases located in foreign countries all around the > world. Anywhere there is a concentration of Navy or Marine Corps > personnel, there will also be field offices of most of the support > organizations that serve those branches of the military, definitely > including the NCIS. > > Doug Fields > Tampa, FL > From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:41 PM > To: TVorNotTV > Subject: [TV orNotTV] NCIS branching outside the US > > I always took this show to be based inside the Defense Dept, if not the > Navy specifically... and yet Shane Brennan, Aussie by birth, is working > on a Sydney-based entry in the franchise, which he intends to film there > with actors therefrom, but also show on Paramount+... the streamer also > announced a "SEAL Team" feature film... > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ncis-sydney-seal-team-movie-coming-to-paramount-1235093708/ > (link) > > B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/71dc1e59-84b6-4976-8b9e-916921a83b78n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/b239be8e-578b-46d9-97fd-3ced88f2d9d1n%40googlegroups.com. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1BpxzeqLqoeAO%3DGRw83s97_SNLTx_wcgEWnbgELx2Qe3CQ%40mail.gmail.com. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/524a799a-97a5-47fe-830b-8a4cd22fe2a7n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock
What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about the Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing ties. The thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen corrected whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially in use again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen numbers they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable. > On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage wrote: > > > So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from > network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here: > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/ > > Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience Delivery,” > NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV and Comscore > figures for streaming.” > > I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the context > of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out the Winter > Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same amount as the > ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us” (both about > 50%). > >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M. wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM wrote: >>> The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe >>> journalists are just taking their word for it. >> >> I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes >> independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a >> newspaper or newscast. Hmmm. >> >>> > On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > >>> Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and analyzed? > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage wrote: > I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years now, > every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include some > estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established > trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or > less than expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off. > > Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then wanders > into maybe not so bad. > > The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean what > they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv > content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize > that. Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which > ratings are severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be > financially useful. > >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM wrote: >> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings are >> disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great losses. >> The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated the >> shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy >> about this? >> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: >>> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected, >>> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased >>> streaming capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico >>> expressed confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies... >> >>> >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/ >>> (link) B >>> >>> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th: NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are dying. Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the most-viewed video events in U.S. history” https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/7779152a-3804-4f6f-a618-dcf9d8993073n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock
The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe journalists are just taking their word for it. > On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the industry > to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and analyzed? > >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage wrote: >> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years now, >> every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include some >> estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established trends, >> to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or less than >> expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off. >> >> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then wanders into >> maybe not so bad. >> >> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean what >> they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv content, >> and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize that. Second, >> because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which ratings are severely >> down all over, even CSI range numbers can be financially useful. >> >>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM wrote: >>> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings are >>> disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great losses. >>> The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated the shift >>> to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy about this? >>> > On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected, but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies... >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/ (link) B Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th: > NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are > dying. > Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the > most-viewed video events in U.S. history” > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/7779152a-3804-4f6f-a618-dcf9d8993073n%40googlegroups.com. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0FB56361-8DFB--BFCD-FFDB5D8F4850%40gmail.com. >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYK-TXOREWG1%3DvsGd2GE3Kx1K-mQB31Td-eTnUPi20minw%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4DfqXg27yvY9bSsKAT6vXC-7VFjy9%3DBCfwOYiZCw2kfSg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8232768F-1511-40EF-A020-D8E2F799EB1D%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock
I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated the shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy about this? > On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected, but that > advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming capacity, > while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed confidence with > what went down at Opening Ceremonies... > > https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/ > (link) B > > Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th: >> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are dying. >> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the >> most-viewed video events in U.S. history” >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/7779152a-3804-4f6f-a618-dcf9d8993073n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0FB56361-8DFB--BFCD-FFDB5D8F4850%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Nick Sports branching out into golf
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > So, “CaddyShack 2: The Series”!? Without the drugs. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/4F328712-0646-45E8-AD9A-4A7B3A8AEBE1%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Great News Everyone!
Part of my early pandemic watching was DVDs of the first four Futurama seasons including the commentaries for each episode. John DiMaggio was part of every (or almost every) commentary and it’s hard to think he wouldn’t want to be involved. There must be a pay dispute holding him back. There’s enough top rate voice-over talent already signed that they could use somebody else if they can’t come to terms with DiMaggio. > On Feb 9, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > New Futurama episodes to Hulu > > https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/futurama-revival-hulu-1235176203/amp/ > > Bender still hasn’t confirmed but he’s expected to, and everyone else is back > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CP%3DQUwQ_o_82RTMEQxFNY6k%2BM5FbG9G-suSk9VHRKQxA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/4236E41C-2566-4661-B41B-01123CAF8C7A%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Michaels to call 11th Super Bowl before NBC contract ends
We have no idea how the negotiations went or how long the negotiations went between Michaels’s management and NBC. It could have been months ago that they couldn’t reach an agreement and Michaels is just announcing it now. I’ll have to try watching a replay of a game on ESPN+ and see if I can FF through the ads. > On Feb 6, 2022, at 9:54 PM, PGage wrote: > > > Forced out is strong, but it is perhaps equally distorted if Al were to say > he chose to go to Amazon. > > I am watching the Olympics on Peacock, which as a streaming service in > general sucks compared to Amazon, but is better than just last summer for the > Summer games, and does make it easy both to watch On Demand and ff thru > commercials. One of the most irritating features is if you join a live event > in progress it automatically joins live; you have to mute then frantically > rewind to start from the beginning. It’s easier to watch what they call a > “Replay”, which starts from the beginning, but only after the live event is > over. > >> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 6:47 PM wrote: >> Forced out is a bit strong. Michaels is coming to the end of a contract and >> there’s never a reason to take signing a new one for granted. Spending >> decades in any job means you see a lot of peers retire or even pass away and >> that bears an emotional weight in deciding whether to continue. Plus Amazon >> can really make him feel needed and give him the excitement of starting >> something new. >> >> As for the experience of watching streaming live sports, I have been >> watching a lot of hockey and a little bit of soccer on ESPN+. It’s easy >> enough to watch a game live. I notice that they also offer an option to >> stream a replay of any game but they have no incentive to let you FF through >> the commercials. >> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:47 PM, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> That sounds about right. Though I’m still not sure what is in it for him to >>> go to Amazon, that would be going from doing the best game of the week to >>> usually the worst. If it is a fig leaf to cover the fact he was forced out >>> of SNF, it’s a pretty damn small leaf. >>> >>> I’m not sure what an Amazon TNF will be like - will it be available on >>> demand, or do you have to watch it live? If On demand, Can you FF through >>> commercials? It might take more than Al Michaels to get me to watch any but >>> the best games if conditions aren’t right. >>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 8:31 AM wrote: My reading of this is that NBC doesn’t want him back and they’re letting Michaels control the narrative. If Tirico, or his agent, is making NBC choose, they’d rather keep Tirico for SNF for 10 years and see Michaels walk. If they choose to keep Michaels they will only have him for a year or two and they’ll lose Tirico to a competitor. Amazon has Thursday Night Football now and they can use Michaels for the short term to establish themselves. >> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:42 AM, PGage wrote: >> > > That is what he has been saying, but the “I have options” refrain kind of > sounds like somebody who is either looking for negotiating leverage or > cover for taking a reduced role somewhere. > > SNL really is the premier NFL telecast, why would he choose to go > somewhere else if he really wants to keep doing Play by Play, and has the > option to keep doing it? > >> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 3:29 AM JW wrote: >> > I would think that what he would like is something like the Jimmy >> > Johnson >> > role in a pregame show, which is high visibility but a lot less work. >> > Even >> > less work would just be adding him to the panel on SNL ore and half >> > time >> > coverage. >> >> Sounds like he wants to keep doing what he's doing. It's just a question >> of where. >> >> https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1488943343400857607 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKSNnOEUgsRHduiuYoCoagBGx5BKhruUgyZY66GMDJ9huq%2BpMw%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKrsnMupSJkY9mEoapV0tjXmWk4xbCwsz%3DDTu2y5LORUw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Michaels to call 11th Super Bowl before NBC contract ends
Forced out is a bit strong. Michaels is coming to the end of a contract and there’s never a reason to take signing a new one for granted. Spending decades in any job means you see a lot of peers retire or even pass away and that bears an emotional weight in deciding whether to continue. Plus Amazon can really make him feel needed and give him the excitement of starting something new. As for the experience of watching streaming live sports, I have been watching a lot of hockey and a little bit of soccer on ESPN+. It’s easy enough to watch a game live. I notice that they also offer an option to stream a replay of any game but they have no incentive to let you FF through the commercials. > On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:47 PM, PGage wrote: > > > That sounds about right. Though I’m still not sure what is in it for him to > go to Amazon, that would be going from doing the best game of the week to > usually the worst. If it is a fig leaf to cover the fact he was forced out of > SNF, it’s a pretty damn small leaf. > > I’m not sure what an Amazon TNF will be like - will it be available on > demand, or do you have to watch it live? If On demand, Can you FF through > commercials? It might take more than Al Michaels to get me to watch any but > the best games if conditions aren’t right. > >> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 8:31 AM wrote: >> My reading of this is that NBC doesn’t want him back and they’re letting >> Michaels control the narrative. If Tirico, or his agent, is making NBC >> choose, they’d rather keep Tirico for SNF for 10 years and see Michaels >> walk. If they choose to keep Michaels they will only have him for a year or >> two and they’ll lose Tirico to a competitor. >> >> Amazon has Thursday Night Football now and they can use Michaels for the >> short term to establish themselves. >> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:42 AM, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> That is what he has been saying, but the “I have options” refrain kind of >>> sounds like somebody who is either looking for negotiating leverage or >>> cover for taking a reduced role somewhere. >>> >>> SNL really is the premier NFL telecast, why would he choose to go somewhere >>> else if he really wants to keep doing Play by Play, and has the option to >>> keep doing it? >>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 3:29 AM JW wrote: > I would think that what he would like is something like the Jimmy Johnson > role in a pregame show, which is high visibility but a lot less work. > Even > less work would just be adding him to the panel on SNL ore and half time > coverage. Sounds like he wants to keep doing what he's doing. It's just a question of where. https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1488943343400857607 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKSNnOEUgsRHduiuYoCoagBGx5BKhruUgyZY66GMDJ9huq%2BpMw%40mail.gmail.com. >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKrsnMupSJkY9mEoapV0tjXmWk4xbCwsz%3DDTu2y5LORUw%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/F7B060CD-1557-451B-A070-5EBB70BCA8BA%40gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLSXNXeSgySF0K24q60pnomVBvVUAWz9q8Jh2p9y313CQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/D86E7A5C-1A40-4BCF-BA4E-6CA460F21FFA%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Michaels to call 11th Super Bowl before NBC contract ends
My reading of this is that NBC doesn’t want him back and they’re letting Michaels control the narrative. If Tirico, or his agent, is making NBC choose, they’d rather keep Tirico for SNF for 10 years and see Michaels walk. If they choose to keep Michaels they will only have him for a year or two and they’ll lose Tirico to a competitor. Amazon has Thursday Night Football now and they can use Michaels for the short term to establish themselves. > On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:42 AM, PGage wrote: > > > That is what he has been saying, but the “I have options” refrain kind of > sounds like somebody who is either looking for negotiating leverage or cover > for taking a reduced role somewhere. > > SNL really is the premier NFL telecast, why would he choose to go somewhere > else if he really wants to keep doing Play by Play, and has the option to > keep doing it? > >> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 3:29 AM JW wrote: >> > I would think that what he would like is something like the Jimmy Johnson >> > role in a pregame show, which is high visibility but a lot less work. Even >> > less work would just be adding him to the panel on SNL ore and half time >> > coverage. >> >> Sounds like he wants to keep doing what he's doing. It's just a question of >> where. >> >> https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1488943343400857607 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKSNnOEUgsRHduiuYoCoagBGx5BKhruUgyZY66GMDJ9huq%2BpMw%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKrsnMupSJkY9mEoapV0tjXmWk4xbCwsz%3DDTu2y5LORUw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/F7B060CD-1557-451B-A070-5EBB70BCA8BA%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?
Oz has flooded TV with campaign ads. But he is not the only multimillionaire running for the GOP nomination so other candidate ads are also starting to appear. And there’s a SuperPAC putting out a ton of anti-Oz commercials. Tom Wolf, the current governor, also came from outside politics. But it was at most 24 hours after he announced his campaign that he already had endorsements from all of the political leaders in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh (he’s a Democrat). Oz, or his campaign manager, has ignored endorsements and it’s keeping him from getting any traction with the rank and file Republican base. > On Feb 2, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Melissa P wrote: > > > Yep, whatta blessing that he's running for public office. Saw his poll > numbers not too long ago. Single digits. > > In the meantime, HWCNBN is running for Congress again. So, no expected > appearance on Idol this season, and apparently there's another already filmed > game show episode with an uncertain future. > > >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M. wrote: >> I recently found myself in an environment where I was forced to watch a few >> minutes of this idiot’s daytime show. It was worse than I imagined it could >> be >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 9:18 PM Steve Timko wrote: >>> Dr. Oz stumbles out of the gate in Senate race >>> In his first tests as a candidate, the celebrity physician fails to impress >>> Pennsylvania GOP activists. >>> >>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/25/dr-oz-senate-race-stumbles-2056 >>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, 10:55 AM wrote: It’s too early for me to get interested in the details of the race and I can’t vote in the Republican primary anyway. What I have seen is that at least two of his challengers are fabulously wealthy and they’re all preparing to spend millions on getting elected. >> On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Diner wrote: >> > Just saw my first Oz campaign ad, on 6ABC in Philadelphia... right > before Final Jeopardy. > Guess that's the only way he can get back on Jeopardy. > I knew he was running, of course, but I had no idea he was advertising > already. I've never seen advertising this early. > And in the ad, he and his graphics scream "Washington got it wrong on > Covid" and spouts some pro-death slogans. > The primary isn't until May 17. I can't believe we have five and a half > more months of this bullshit ahead. (And more if he wins.) > >> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 3:53:17 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote: >> One thing I didn’t know was how much Oz was tied in to the Fox News >> universe: >> >> https://www.mediamatters.org/dr-mehmet-oz/dr-oz-has-misled-public-medical-issues-years-now-hes-running-senate >> On Dec 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> I was just about to press send on almost the same reply before I saw >>> yours. >>> >>> As horrible a US Senator as this guy would undoubtedly be, he is an >>> even worse physician, and thru his TV show has harmed untold millions. >>> Getting him off the air is a pure Good. >>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 10:16 AM wrote: >> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Steve Timko wrote: >> > > > Apparently Dr. Oz"s show is shutting down entirely by mid-January. So there’s some good that will come out of this. > >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8ywRFuSEDGWH%3DD8%2BM3qyAOnt9V2DkkhenamRru1iC_VNaw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/41FD6816-7A1D-4C4A-A239-E4BD99237851%40gmail.com. >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2B3sYt4A6zp3QN%2Bo03edbAgSejPiaS_R_-Y_-7mED3MKQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >
Re: [TV orNotTV] Mr "My Music" has "Idol" hands
PBS and its stations are moving all of their content to their streaming app. There they put almost all of their archive behind a paywall that takes an annual membership to unlock. I searched on my PBS/WQED for doo wop and found links to paywalled specials. > On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:25 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > TJ Lubinsky, the Pittsburgh transplant from the Jersey Shore who's raised > billion$ for PBS since 1999 with those performance specials sporting a wide > variety of artists (and the earliest major recycling of the Ed Sullivan > legacy), this week unveiled a worldwide talent search for latter-day > aficionados of those great vocal-harmony hits of the 50s/60s, with the > finalists getting to (natch!) a Peeb special showcase celebrating the > genre... get your videos to him pronto, 'cuz you've only got till the end of > February... > > Hat-tip Kent Kotal: https://www.doowopstar.com (link) > > In case you're wondering, none of the links from the last time we mentioned > ol' TJ are still around... I wonder if WQED is still recycling the Lubinsky > legacy, among other pledge-attracting stuff, online? > > B > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/feb24504-cbbb-48e3-940e-8b8b1e454069n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/A743835A-5D38-47A0-A787-33E90A0B85AF%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Conflicting Reports on Brady Retirement
>From reading the ESPN story the anonymous sources were part of the Tampa Bay >organization. My take is that the Bucs want to start planning their future and >they don’t want to be stuck in a holding pattern waiting for Brady to announce >his retirement. In their post-season discussion they asked Brady to announce >the retirement. He wasn’t planning to announce, whether it was to get maximum >attention after the Super Bowl, or if he really was planning on coming back. >So some front office people talked to ESPN in order to force his hand. If he >decides he does want to continue playing it will have to be with another team. > On Jan 29, 2022, at 6:24 PM, PGage wrote: > > We are seeing an interesting case study in journalism today on a high > profile but low stakes story. ESPN, citing anonymous sources, reported that > Tom Brady is retiring, and multiple outlets picked it up and ran with it. The > AP is now reporting that Brady has called the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to say he > is far from making up his mind. I have seen a Tweet where an ESPN reporter > says Brady is retiring, but has not made up his mind about when to announce. > > It looks like Brady is retiring, and someone close to him spilled the beans > too soon, and now they are trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube so > Brady can make his own dramatic announcement. > > It’s not really a big deal either way, but it illustrates the danger of > basing big stories on anonymous sources. ESPN did use the plural, so I assume > there was more than one. I think there is a place for anonymous sourcing, but > in the days when news organizations cared about their credibility and > reputation for accuracy, they would have probably waited longer, not quicker > to report if relying on anonymous sources to get additional confirmation. > > > https://apnews.com/article/tom-brady-retirement-reports-8ec48cdfdcc5f0dd4650b0572dd15252 > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJFR49_attJ1BLHynYy%2BiWLkc71%3Dvtac08-0RaWvZs8Tg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/E721F548-21EA-417A-AF79-02453ECBC22D%40gmail.com.
[TV orNotTV] Podcast episode on winners and losers in the business of streaming
If anybody has 46 minutes to spare and wants to listen to a media analyst talk about the business of streaming video and where things are headed, there’s a good discussion available from the Plain English podcast. https://www.theringer.com/2022/1/18/22888915/the-biggest-losers-of-the-streaming-wars-espn-movie-theaters-peacock-and-more -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/9D789678-CE2D-4ECA-88DF-0F512F89BF57%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] While Mayim's Away Vaccines Play
Bialik never seemed to me to be one of those strident public anti-vaxxers. The little research I could be bothered to do shows that she’s deeply into the holistic wellness movement and she wrote a book and did interviews around 2009 saying she wasn’t following the vaccine schedule for her kids. A year and a half ago she said publicly that she would get and recommend other people get a COVID vaccination when it becomes available. More than anything, I don’t think SONY Studios is tiptoeing around any perceived sensitivities to vaccines. I have been following Ken Jennings on Twitter for years and I remember him linking to articles during James Holzhauer’s run where reporters would ask Jennings about the run and Holzhauer’s strategy. Now during Amy Schneider’s run Jennings can talk to her about it every and point out when she overtakes former champions. > On Jan 21, 2022, at 10:05 PM, PGage wrote: > > Is Jeopardy! Holding to its original hosting schedule? I noticed that they > had an entire category of vaccine related answers this week, and I am > wondering if they would have done that had Bialik been there. Or, were they > trying to have it both ways, asserting that they will still be pro vaccine, > but knowing they could avoid confrontation because she would be absent? They > also had an answer this week the question for which was something like “What > is the Big Bang?” Which promoted Ken to invoke Mayim, noting it was too bad > she was not hosting. > > They don’t call him “The Host of Jeopardy!” But these weeks have confirmed > for me that he is the no brainer best choice for the job. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKMtABLqhB6s%3DEGGPA-ZqPbeNK3G1y9tpV62gYw2nGMbw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/415E697A-4303-4F45-ACDB-233489A573FB%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Tirico to pull off hosting daily double
Yeah I didn’t think to read the article. I always think of the Super Bowl pregame as a long infomercial and not worthy of a network’s top talent. NBC feels differently or Tirico doesn’t want to be shut out of association with the event even if it compromises his Olympic coverage. > On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:56 AM, PGage wrote: > > > My reading of this is that Tirico is flying in to host the marathon pre-game > (and half time) Super Bowl shows. Presumably Michaels is still doing the okay > by play? > >> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 6:44 AM wrote: >> What it tells me is that Michaels is as good as retired if NBC is willing to >> take a chance on a jet lagged Tirico. >> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Brad Beam wrote: >>> >> >>> (Or, NBC Sports has no one else.) >>> >>> >>> >>> He’ll start off in Beijing hosting the Olympics, then jet to LA for the >>> Super Bowl. >>> >>> https://awfulannouncing.com/nbc/mike-tirico-beijing-olympics-la-super-bowl.html >>> >>> >>> >>> _ _ >>> >>> |_>|_> Brad Beam, on vacation- Charlottesville VA >>> >>> |_>|_> http://www.facebook.com/74bmw >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/012801d80945%242cc4d480%24864e7d80%24%40suddenlink.net. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/A1728A10-EE04-46B4-9E20-F09920046B55%40gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJiP9T02%2BQkV_gVf5qySc%2BQSxOij5RN%2BGURET2xJUAohg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8E24D5EA-7658-4EF8-9C31-5BCCD276916A%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Tirico to pull off hosting daily double
What it tells me is that Michaels is as good as retired if NBC is willing to take a chance on a jet lagged Tirico. > On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Brad Beam wrote: > > > (Or, NBC Sports has no one else.) > > He’ll start off in Beijing hosting the Olympics, then jet to LA for the Super > Bowl. > https://awfulannouncing.com/nbc/mike-tirico-beijing-olympics-la-super-bowl.html > > _ _ > |_>|_> Brad Beam, on vacation- Charlottesville VA > |_>|_> http://www.facebook.com/74bmw > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/012801d80945%242cc4d480%24864e7d80%24%40suddenlink.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/A1728A10-EE04-46B4-9E20-F09920046B55%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] IYC: Your 2022 Golden Globes winners
This has been a long time source of cognitive dissonance to me. On the one hand every time a journalist shines a light on the HFPA they show the organization is opaque and incredibly corrupt. It’s been an easy story to do over the years. Yet the showbiz industry gets excited over the Golden Globes and the ceremony every year and they’re proud to add Golden Globe winner to the advertising for any movie, TV series, or its stars. If the industry can’t be bothered to correct its hypocrisy I’m just not going to bring attention to it. > On Jan 10, 2022, at 1:00 PM, M-D November wrote: > > And the winners are indicative of nothing, since we know there are whole > studios that boycotted this year's Globes. (AlsoWEST SIDE STORY over > Tick Tick Boom? I don't think so.) > >> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:35:41 AM UTC-5 PGage wrote: >> I don’t care. And judging from my Twitter feed, not too many others care, >> including winners, except for Ariana DeBose (West Side Story) and fans of >> Ms. Rodriguez. Seeing them celebrate or even acknowledge the GG is somewhat >> embarrassing. >> >>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 6:17 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >>> wrote: >>> Succession, Sudeikis, Mj Rodriguez (first-ever trans woman to win)... >>> >>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/golden-globes-hfpa-kicks-off-celebrity-free-ceremony-amid-ongoing-boycott-1235071870/ >>> (link) >>> >>> >>> B >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/801e4700-909a-48f3-ab0e-9043677fd5b2n%40googlegroups.com. >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/cb1db82f-7db8-45aa-abfd-bb672748b1efn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2F7071E5-150D-4FF2-8772-53E4426E6F4D%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Globes to be unseen
Of course it’s bad press related. The ceremony exists to be a cash cow for the organization. There is no reason to stream it without an advertiser or sponsor providing revenue and apparently nobody is stepping up at a level the HPFA deems acceptable. > On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Dino Alexander wrote: > > I feel like a lot of people are going to place the blame squarely on omicron > (which is valid)... but the real issue of bad press is obvious if you've been > paying any sort of attention. > > - > > From: "Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV" > To: "TVorNotTV" > Cc: > Sent: Friday January 7 2022 10:17:02AM > Subject: [TV orNotTV] Globes to be unseen > > “This year’s event is going to be a private event and will not be > livestreamed,” an HFPA spokesperson told Deadline on Thursday. “We will be > providing real-time updates on winners on the Golden Globes website and our > social media.” > > > > https://deadline.com/2022/01/golden-globes-no-livestream-nbc-hfpa-1234905661/ > (link) > > B > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/bb4eae30-d70e-428f-b076-651c4e8fc49bn%40googlegroups.com. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0f1b3f55aa1f5281c7074d4cdb564102df67d467%40webmail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/EAAF8116-BB7C-4023-A0BF-725279AB38EF%40gmail.com.
[TV orNotTV] Tonight’s (Jan 1) SNL is a rerun of the Betty White episode
>From May 8, 2010 with Jay-Z as musical guest. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/398C7297-E3A5-4AE4-B834-CEB11AED84B4%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Madden, 85
I watched the Fox Sports documentary and it had a feel that he wasn’t long for this world and they wanted to get it on the air. > On Dec 28, 2021, at 7:27 PM, Brad Beam wrote: > > > Just three days after the Fox sports doc premiered…. > https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32953839/nfl-hall-fame-coach-broadcasting-icon-john-madden-dies-85 > > _ _ > |_>|_> Brad Beam- Belle WV > |_>|_> http://www.facebook.com/74bmw > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/002601d7fc4a%24db914870%2492b3d950%24%40suddenlink.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0C422129-9814-4789-8773-5A3E2DC92EA8%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: SNL 2021 Year End Show Threatened By Omicron
Or stuff that has aired before. They can use prerecorded sketches from this season or go to the vault for Christmas sketches from the show’s history. > On Dec 18, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Doug Eastick wrote: > > > If the show goes ahead, it's gonna be interesting. > > I'm guessing they will fill with pre recorded stuff that never saw air before. > > > /Doug > east...@mcd.on.ca > >> On Sat., Dec. 18, 2021, 6:25 p.m. 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, >> wrote: >> THR: Musical guest Charli XCX bails out. >> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/saturday-night-live-cancels-live-audience-omicron-1235065022/ >> (link) >> >> B >> >> PGage, Dec 18th: >>> I know it’s a straight line, but, for the safety of the audience, SNL plans >>> to go on tonight without a studio audience, with Host Paul Rudd. >>> >>> Unofficially, word is that 3 cast members tested positive (including Jost?) >>> and other cast members are worried about catching it. Wilder rumors include >>> that Lorne is positive, but that has been officially denied. >>> >>> Looks like show will try to go on, but with limited cast. >>> >>> >>> https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/snl-has-covid-19-outbreak-may-cancel-everyone-is-fearful/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/70403483-b98c-4d7c-a08e-9bc34547971bn%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1Bq5byY-UCYDecyOMga4Q8A%2BgS_mL4L0xk%2Bv9vnJnr8nMg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/D1820479-6E46-4861-A23C-FD9ED36F43D1%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] SNL 2021 Year End Show Threatened By Omicron
Now they’ll have an excuse when the show isn’t funny. > On Dec 18, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > I don’t want anybody to catch Covid, but if somebody had to get Covid… > >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:24 PM PGage wrote: >> I know it’s a straight line, but, for the safety of the audience, SNL plans >> to go on tonight without a studio audience, with Host Paul Rudd. >> >> Unofficially, word is that 3 cast members tested positive (including Jost?) >> and other cast members are worried about catching it. Wilder rumors include >> that Lorne is positive, but that has been officially denied. >> >> Looks like show will try to go on, but with limited cast. >> >> >> https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/snl-has-covid-19-outbreak-may-cancel-everyone-is-fearful/ >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLJS7-LOG9err75cdc1AunGS9jpNiX7o6y2nm4uu-tq1w%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4AqdrXF_bkpEOtDmdAznDekqi2rdiuirNM6Xt6guBYrzw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/58664C6C-ADEE-4370-9B88-6ED7A8C26F45%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV nuggets
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 11:06 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > And country star Thomas Rhett will perform New Year's Day at the NHL Winter > Classic in Minnaepolis/St Paul...remember, it's on TNT in the US: > https://www.nhl.com/news/thomas-rhett-to-perform-at-2022-nhl-winter-classic/c-329025702 > I always watched the Winter Classic on NBC because even though I’m a single data point and a non-Nielsen family I figured if I didn’t watch it, it would go away. Now it’s on cable only, and for whatever the NHL is getting out of it, it’s dead to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/57E1391C-4FED-4B5B-B274-2FDC0BD644D5%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Peter Jackson Beatles docu to span 6+ hrs, début on Disney+
It was near impossible to get reliable information about the Beatles or the individuals at the time of, or following their breakup. We knew them mostly from the radio and a bit from TV. I don’t remember they did movies until they aired on TV years later. Anything that appeared in newspapers or magazines about them either related to marketing them or came from sources too remote to be reliable. In those days the only people who would immerse themselves in the breakup story were rabid fans and the stories that came out were tailored to them. I heard repeatedly in the schoolyard that Yoko broke up the Beatles and I didn’t care enough to form a critical opinion or to make the effort to find out if it was true. It really took the internet with its instant access to tons of materials to get a better sense of what happened. > On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:37 AM, PGage wrote: > > > There is a great moment when Paul observes how stupid it will seem so in 50 > years that the Beatles broke up because Yoko sat on an amp. Of course that’s > not why they broke up, but like most good relationships that fail it does > later seem stupid. > > What’s magical about this particular moment in Beatle history (January 1969) > is that even though the Let It Be film kind of fixes this as a crisis period, > it really is more of an oasis between crises, when they were still able to > work together and make great music. Things had been worse in 1968, and will > soon get much worse. > > The financial and management issues that will soon add unbearable pressure > are hinted at in the documentary, but one of the biggest pressures that is > not mentioned at all is Lennon (and Ono’s) heroin addiction (though John’s > withdrawal and apathy in part one might easily be a result of this). They had > been fighting like, well, brothers, for more than a decade by this point, but > their conflicts became toxic because heroin addiction made John uninterested, > unpredictable and prone to irrational rages. It was not so much that Paul > couldn’t forgive him for this, but that because of it they could no longer > communicate and resolve their issues. > >> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 1:29 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV >> wrote: >> We finished it tonight and my main reaction (other than thinking it's >> marvelous) was frustration and sadness that they weren't able to overcome >> their differences (which seem minuscule here, but who knows what was going >> on when the cameras were off?) and continue creating together. I'm not >> thinking they should have been "The Beatles" uninterruptedly until 1980, but >> who knows what occasional reunions might have achieved? >> >> And, yes, Yoko does seem like she's a one-trick pony, and that trick isn't >> very interesting. >> >> --Dave Sikula >> >>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 8:57:42 PM UTC-8 PGage wrote: >>> I spent much of my TV-watching time this week binging “Get Back” (it’s >>> closer to 8 hours than 6), and it greatly exceeds my mildly optimistic >>> expectations. I have linked below my favorite review (which is to say, the >>> one I most agree with). >>> >>> It is a stunning achievement, often thrilling, sometimes heartbreaking. It >>> is not precious, and gives us plenty of warts for everyone (except maybe >>> Ringo). Despite the opening sentence of about 4 of the reviews I read, I >>> doubt anyone other than my ten-year old self really thought Yoko broke up >>> the Beatles in any simple way, so I don’t think absolving her of that blame >>> is a major accomplishment. What is a major accomplishment is that I came >>> away from this liking her a little (though still, not her screeching). >>> >>> One of the take homes from this is the possibilities afforded by streaming. >>> I think this was originally going to be a theatrical film, and even a long >>> one would have been little more than a third of what we have here. Perhaps >>> this could have played as a mini-series on HBO, but I doubt it would have >>> the same impact in 8 or even 4 weekly installments, and I suspect most >>> people who watch the whole thing now will see it in a week or two at the >>> most. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/f302a399-c57d-4bdc-b871-715cbb91df1bn%40googlegroups.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit >
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?
It’s too early for me to get interested in the details of the race and I can’t vote in the Republican primary anyway. What I have seen is that at least two of his challengers are fabulously wealthy and they’re all preparing to spend millions on getting elected. > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Diner wrote: > > Just saw my first Oz campaign ad, on 6ABC in Philadelphia... right before > Final Jeopardy. > Guess that's the only way he can get back on Jeopardy. > I knew he was running, of course, but I had no idea he was advertising > already. I've never seen advertising this early. > And in the ad, he and his graphics scream "Washington got it wrong on Covid" > and spouts some pro-death slogans. > The primary isn't until May 17. I can't believe we have five and a half more > months of this bullshit ahead. (And more if he wins.) > >> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 3:53:17 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote: >> One thing I didn’t know was how much Oz was tied in to the Fox News universe: >> >> https://www.mediamatters.org/dr-mehmet-oz/dr-oz-has-misled-public-medical-issues-years-now-hes-running-senate >> On Dec 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> I was just about to press send on almost the same reply before I saw yours. >>> >>> As horrible a US Senator as this guy would undoubtedly be, he is an even >>> worse physician, and thru his TV show has harmed untold millions. Getting >>> him off the air is a pure Good. >>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 10:16 AM wrote: >> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Steve Timko wrote: >> > > > Apparently Dr. Oz"s show is shutting down entirely by mid-January. So there’s some good that will come out of this. > >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8ywRFuSEDGWH%3DD8%2BM3qyAOnt9V2DkkhenamRru1iC_VNaw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/41FD6816-7A1D-4C4A-A239-E4BD99237851%40gmail.com. >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2B3sYt4A6zp3QN%2Bo03edbAgSejPiaS_R_-Y_-7mED3MKQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/6afee6d5-5093-4b58-8bd0-342eed73a372n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/B64AE58F-DDF5-450B-BD6C-4EA8C60EF86B%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: File this under: Leno is NOT a regular guy
Yesterday while listening to the Maintenance Phase podcast I heard the phrase, “celebrity performance of authenticity” and that describes what Leno is doing here. It’s strange how much effort he puts into maintaining his Everyman persona even though there would be no consequences to him if he did enjoy fine dining or spend his Tonight Show money. He’s not going to be losing any bookings for it and I can’t imagine who would care. What the fact he brings this up publicly tells me is that he’s driven by a deep insecurity. > On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 2:13 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >> wrote: >> Maybe he's owed the writeup under his contract for "...Garage" ? B > > Maybe, but again I didn’t find the piece flattering… he came off as manic and > unrelatable. > > >> >> >> Kevin M, in part, Dec 1st: >>> Everything about this story made me sad. I applaud Leno’s work ethic, but >>> what is the point of working hard and achieving things if you can’t at any >>> point enjoy it? Sure, he indulges his passion for cars, but even that is >>> just another series of projects to keep him busy. >>> >>> One aside: In the article, Leno says he only gets food from places with >>> guys in paper hats and never has room service. To the best of my knowledge, >>> Leno never drove off the lot for lunch the entire time he hosted The >>> Tonight Show, and he didn’t walk across the Midway to the world famous (-ly >>> bad) NBC commissary, so somebody delivered his food to him daily for over >>> a quarter of a century. >>> >>> I’ve never understood his insistence on maintaining this pretense that he’s >>> just a blue collar working man. He has told the same 25 jokes for over 40 >>> years. He hasn’t worked since I was in diapers. >>> >>> https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/01/jay-leno-refuses-to-splurge-on-expensive-food-room-service.html >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/63e99e2e-7510-4022-bcee-ec2368a2411an%40googlegroups.com. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4C0JOdPKf5yMM4xD%2BvEo-QntLW%3D0AFXnKF%2BqBOPZZJU1A%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/27613C3D-979C-49E2-A87F-E3E9E52B72F6%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?
One thing I didn’t know was how much Oz was tied in to the Fox News universe: https://www.mediamatters.org/dr-mehmet-oz/dr-oz-has-misled-public-medical-issues-years-now-hes-running-senate > On Dec 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, PGage wrote: > > > I was just about to press send on almost the same reply before I saw yours. > > As horrible a US Senator as this guy would undoubtedly be, he is an even > worse physician, and thru his TV show has harmed untold millions. Getting him > off the air is a pure Good. > >> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 10:16 AM wrote: >> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Steve Timko wrote: >>> >>> >>> Apparently Dr. Oz"s show is shutting down entirely by mid-January. >> >> So there’s some good that will come out of this. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8ywRFuSEDGWH%3DD8%2BM3qyAOnt9V2DkkhenamRru1iC_VNaw%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/41FD6816-7A1D-4C4A-A239-E4BD99237851%40gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2B3sYt4A6zp3QN%2Bo03edbAgSejPiaS_R_-Y_-7mED3MKQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/7067E48C-7065-4418-9B84-381B25703B46%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Steve Timko wrote: > > > > Apparently Dr. Oz"s show is shutting down entirely by mid-January. So there’s some good that will come out of this. > >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8ywRFuSEDGWH%3DD8%2BM3qyAOnt9V2DkkhenamRru1iC_VNaw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/41FD6816-7A1D-4C4A-A239-E4BD99237851%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] How does “Senator Oz” sound?
Pennsylvania is trending blue in statewide elections. The Democrats are concentrated in Philadelphia and the eastern part of the state and in and around the city of Pittsburgh. The spread of the red part of the state makes it easy to gerrymander the legislature. But the only part of the state growing in population is along the border with New Jersey and is made up of NJ transplants. Pat Toomey picked good years to run. He first won in 2010 and benefited from the Tea Party wave. In 2016 he joined the Trump wave. He was an insider to politics and was president of Americans for Prosperity before running for office. It’s not clear why he’s not running for another term but it could be the changing demographics and no national name or race to boost him. Oz should start strong in the primary race because of name recognition. Unless that’s enough to deter more experienced candidates he should be in for a tough race as the others will get attention by attacking him. If that’s enough to make his numbers fall he could easily pull out of the race. But he could also somehow get the party behind him. Then he has an uphill fight against the Democratic candidate. > On Nov 30, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > We have had snake oil salesmen as senators in our nation’s history… it has > not gone well > > I repeat my “this is all Oprah’s fault” mantra, and that if history remembers > her at all, it will be as a footnote to elevating the worst possible people > in their fields into celebrities. Oz. Phil. Jenny McCarthy. A pox on her > house. > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 12:02 PM Brad Beam wrote: >> Surprise: In Pennsylvania, and not where he’s lived the last couple decades >> (NJ) before moving in with his Main Line in-laws last year. (Fwiw, he voted >> absentee in ‘20.) >> >> No surprise: As an R. >> https://www.wsaz.com/2021/11/30/sources-dr-oz-plans-run-senate-seat-pennsylvania/ >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/F8C8F1C9-48AE-43E2-9755-323F516BF702%40suddenlink.net. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CX0pYzHNi7nt-i7uK-%3DRy%3DMOqwH_YEL%3DW62fjRF-1SUg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/6F6C2FA9-060B-4683-8C49-8CA71AE6F1CD%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: First casting for L revival
In the Law & Order world 10 seasons is considered a failure.
> On Nov 26, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Kevin M. wrote:
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> I don’t know why, but I really want this reboot to fail.
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>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:14 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
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>> Anthony Anderson joins Donovan, returning to the role he had in the last few
>> seasons, with Hugh Dancy ("Hannibal") as a prosecutor.
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>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/anthony-anderson-hugh-dancy-join-law-order-revival-at-nbc-1235052342/
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>> Moi, November 3rd:
>>> Jeffrey Donovan ("Fargo," "Burn Notice") will play a de-tec-a-tive.
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>>> https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/law-order-revival-nbc-casts-213012731.html
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sarah Silverman Calls Out 'Jewface' In Hollywood's Casting Of Women's Roles
The difference between Silverman’s take and the others is that hers took the form of a grievance and the others are more of an observation. In the NPR article she’s now walking back that grievance. It’s one thing to note that the roles of Jewish women are being played by non-Jewish actresses and another to claim it’s a failure of representation. There will never be a way to prove or disprove the existence of a historical Moses. There are so few contemporary texts or archeological evidence available to provide anything meaningful. The Egyptian historical record doesn’t match the biblical account and that’s meaningful. But there could have been a tribal chieftain named Moses who led a Hebrew speaking people from Egypt to Canaan without the plagues and miracles. Yup Brynner played pharaoh in The Ten Commandments. Edward G Robinson played Dothan who was comedy relief and a foil for Moses. I remember speculation that Robinson really wanted to be in the movie and the studio wanted to punish him for his left leaning views during the McCarthy era and that was the only role they would give him. > On Nov 17, 2021, at 8:55 AM, PGage wrote: > > > Bial’s take is thoughtful and nuanced (which I guess just means I agree with > him). I’m not so sure about the author of the article, who cites as one of > the more problematic appropriations Charlton Heston playing Moses, who A) may > have been Hebrew, but was not Jewish in any recognizably modern or technical > sense (that term would not have applied at the time) and B) with all due > respect, probably has to be regarded as a fictional character. > > More striking from that film is the casting of Edward G Robinson as Pharaoh, > not so much for cultural appropriation, but hilarious miscasting. > >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 3:09 AM Steve Timko wrote: >> NPR weighs in. >> >> https://www.npr.org/2021/11/16/1053632682/jewish-roles-movies-tv-sarah-silverman >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 10:22 AM Tom Wolper wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 11:06 AM PGage wrote: >>> I think Tom makes the main point that there is a relevant discussion to be had here, but it easily regresses into progressive caricature when it abandons nuance and flexibility. I think the most problematic part of Silverman’s argument is the use of the term “Jewface” (not sure if that was part of the original Time article Tom refers to). The problem with Blackface is not primarily that famous white actors got roles denied Black actors. Blackface was explicitly part of a larger social process of stigmatizing, de-legitimizing and rationalizing a pervasive, violent antiBlack regime. The analogy is not to Rachel Brosnahan playing an attractive, intelligent and very likable Mrs Maisel, but maybe to something that could have existed in 1930s Germany with Aryans wearing stereotypical noses and clothing and enacting characters that would justify the attitudes and assumptions that led to the Holocaust. I don’t necessarily blame Silverman for this, the whole modern critique of blackface has tended to turn it into the “representation” issue that Silverman is writing about, which tends to minimize and trivialize what the problem with blackface was. >>> >>> Jewface wasn't in the Time article. That article was about being sensitive >>> to having Jewish women being excluded from stories about Jewish women. I >>> have a CD called Jewface, which is a collection of recordings of songs made >>> during the first decades of the previous century. The songs are from >>> vaudeville and are ethnic caricatures of Jewish characters. The songs are >>> written and performed by Jewish men. It's very far from minstrelsy and the >>> degradation of blackface. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiEAkzWu2d4uHLDvNzqnL5jZH5VoLJ30EWVRqRStBS9UWg%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yzzu4do4M7R%2Bd-fBzCthH%2BSCrkifAPw9kd7Fg8COhbrSQ%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit >
Re: [TV orNotTV] Catching up with Timothy Stack
On Sep 11, 2021, at 1:56 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: > > Apparently he ain't talked Stern into bringing back "Son of the Beach" (he is > 66), but the artist formerly known as Dick Dietrick is still active on the > tweetybox (link)... actually, a full Night Stand episode, IYC, was just > 'toobed in the last week by a fan... is he kinfolk to Colbert's Brian? Probably not because he’s funny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CC2571CC-2322-4FFC-9AF7-C2F127E19BBD%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: And the new “Jeopardy!” host is rumored to be…
On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Jon Delfin wrote: > >> I'm trying not to go down a rabbit hole of Jeopardy stories because there >> are tons of them and while everybody has opinions nobody has any insight. >> There is one thing I haven't seen covered yet: if Sony thought Mayim Bialik >> was a good enough host for prime time tournaments, why didn't they just name >> her host when Richards got booted? > > her sitcom and her podcast fill up a lot of her plate If she’s not under contract for the podcast she could easily suspend it and her listeners would understand. Sony could announce they’re signing her as permanent host and it will start when her sitcom finishes filming. Then bring in guest hosts who won’t be available for full time work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/FE630A1D-0923-4160-8F52-1D459DDF889F%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: And the new “Jeopardy!” host is rumored to be…
I’d prefer seeing him one day a week on football to five days a week on Jeopardy. > On Aug 10, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Diner wrote: > > > James Holzhauer wins the internet for today. > > https://twitter.com/James_Holzhauer/status/1424868747098001408 > > >> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 8:38:00 AM UTC-4 JW wrote: >> Some reporting here, and the Dick Cheney comparison. >> >> https://www.theringer.com/tv/2021/8/5/22611962/jeopardy-new-host-mike-richards-sony > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/1c427ffb-f7a4-4a5e-ab17-a9b8b2294becn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/FBEE2E9F-361D-4182-8F41-A00E6B7818F4%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NewMusicNation.ca launches in Canada (remember MuchMusic?)
The flow shows up on my iPad in Pittsburgh > On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Doug Eastick wrote: > > > Ed The Sock has launched his new MuchMusic-like endeavour. > > www.NewMusicNation.ca > > NewMusicNation - YouTube > > 2 video flows have been uploaded. based on my first 60 minutes of watching > (on the background while working), Ed does intros from Yonge and Dundas in > Toronto. I have not watched the 2nd flow from the new VJ. > > I'm curious if the youtube videos are viewable from outside of Canada. > > Try this link and let me know. > NewMusicNation - Yo Canada! with Ed the Sock - YouTube > > > > > -- > Doug Eastick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1BqFPVxMwGqO29J%2B3isysHQM_Rug6zqZUN0_048gBP%2BuuA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/E49C2080-940A-4546-94F4-2C09FAED9D2D%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Gavin MacLeod R.I.P.
I remember seeing his name in the credits while watching reruns of McHale when the Mary Tyler Moore Show was on the air. His character was Happy and he rarely had a line. I have the DVD set of the first season of Hawaii Five-0 and Gavin played Big Chicken in two episodes. > On May 29, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Jon Delfin wrote: > > > Speaking as probably the only one of us who ever said, "Hey, it's the guy > from McHale's Navy," might I add, get off of my lawn. > >> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 4:18 PM Kevin M. wrote: >> He was a big deal in Palm Springs. Like there are things named after him >> there. >> >> https://www.palmspringslife.com/the-power-of-love/ >> >> https://kesq.com/news/2021/05/29/local-legend-gavin-macleod-has-passed-away-at-90-years-old/ >> >> >>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 1:05 PM Melissa P >>> wrote: >>> Ed Asner and Betty White are now the only MTM surviving cast members. >>> >>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:29 PM Doug Eastick wrote: I watched him, probably way too much. Mary Tyler Moore and Love Boat. > On Sat., May 29, 2021, 3:12 p.m. Diner, wrote: > https://www.tmz.com/2021/05/29/love-boat-star-gavin-macleod-dead-dies-mary-tyler-moore-show/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/941550d5-32f5-44b1-a45f-b0cffd22197dn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1Br-Ddns-oPMFgOW44GgB2vSfQZdRed6PiuruWdrGuMzPA%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CA%2B_fQPz0Zvq-eLDVMCQL0PeB8gHcJ41sVitHydUzYGmXJPF-FA%40mail.gmail.com. >> -- >> Kevin M. (RPCV) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4Aq%2BC2Wa%3DVqU2-m-uxausQKyxx76D%3DZEE0c8gFpQoohzg%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABCcf4dJAs37senFVE3w_n1vVN2TBzk3csY_2TnPQpzYuxGPBA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/E4393BA4-721B-4CA4-98CA-095ED8037FFF%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "Prodigal Son" not renewed
I always wonder if we should say that part out loud > On May 11, 2021, at 12:21 PM, M-D November wrote: > > I believe I speak for most of America when I ask...what the hell was > "Prodigal Son"? > >> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote: >> https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/prodigal-son-canceled-fox-1234970189/ (link) >> >> B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/4fd116a5-9139-4751-99a0-9d902a350275n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/AF958709-2972-46CD-8310-B61447442CD2%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Rutherford Falls
Is it worth sticking with? I mean, do the characters dial down their annoying attributes enough (especially Helms) to make it watchable? > On May 2, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Jim Ellwanger wrote: > > I've watched the whole season, and at last, it's a sitcom where my people > are properly represented -- by which I mean Northwestern University alumni > who are doing something with their lives other than acting (there are two > characters in the show who fit that description, including Jana Schmieding's > character). > > The best thing about it was Paul F. Tompkins, who appears in 2 of the 10 > episodes in the role he was born to play (eccentric college professor who > also hosts a podcast). > > >> On May 2, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Tom Wolper wrote: >> >> Streaming on Peacock. It's the latest Michael Schur "sitcom" starring Ed >> Helms and Jana Schmieding. The series has a number of Native Americans in >> the cast and in the writers' room. It's about the tension between Helms's >> character, a descendent of the white founder, the Minishonka who have their >> own history of the town, and the townspeople who don't really care about the >> history or heritage. >> >> Pros: the Minishonka characters have differing viewpoints among themselves >> and they own a casino so their grievances don't come from poverty. The >> series feels like it's current and based on contemporary attitudes and is >> not a throwback. >> >> Cons: there's not a laugh to be had in the pilot. Helms and Schmieding play >> characters I don't want to spend any time with. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiH3Ymmr0aT9fJ-OrAWHy3nV1cKYrnWtbfU3jJQHAHJ0zw%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/48CB93FE-0FA9-460C-B3BF-23E21539234A%40ellwanger.tv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/C9A7641F-2A0F-4BFE-846C-8FA1B5CC117F%40gmail.com.
[TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Kung Fu
Luckily nothing about the new show resembles the old version. And this one avoids orientalism; it feels like there was an Asian presence in the writers’ room. The protagonist is an American daughter of immigrants who spent 3 years in the Shaolin Monastery learning to be a warrior. She returns to Chinatown in San Francisco to fight crime and search for magic swords. The show is a hybrid of superhero, family drama, and pretty young woman in the city genres. People who like the CW superhero dramas will like this one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/DDA5A5AF-E1E5-4E5A-A492-B7DBBB0837CA%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] You picked a fine time to leave us, Lucille
When I was about 15 I saw her play the psycho stalker in Clint Eastwood’s Play Misty for Me. The genre was new to me and I was so sensitive to her portrayal that for at least a decade seeing her on screen in any role triggered serious anxiety in me. > On Mar 25, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > Mallory Archer > Lucille Bluth > Love Boat regular (seriously... looks like she set a course for adventure > almost as many times as Charo) > Guest star on the whole NBC Mystery Wheel (Columbo, Banacek, McCloud, > McMillan & Wife) > And as a Senator with a secret on Babylon 5 > >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 1:35 PM Brad Beam wrote: >> Jessica Walter, 80. >> >> https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981284596/arrested-development-star-jessica-walter-dies-at-80 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/776B0082-7104-4B92-B3EC-6026237D0849%40suddenlink.net. > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4BcYqfnXQatVEQk6gkXuzqpcJR_Mhu3YYecsc5OhFA8qA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/D909A45D-BFB5-4252-82C4-C38EC8E28ABE%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Torching Meghan McCain’s Trumpless Trumpism
And if Meghan McCain left the show she would be replaced by another conservative no matter who else was available. > On Mar 25, 2021, at 4:21 PM, 'brugdr' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > > This was baked into The View from the beginning. Elizabeth Hasselbeck (sic) > was the Meghan McCain back when the elder McCain ran against Bush. > > David > > Sent on my Virgin Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7. > > > Original message > From: Tom Wolper > Date: 3/25/21 10:09 (GMT-08:00) > To: TV or not TV > Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Torching Meghan McCain’s Trumpless Trumpism > >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:03 AM PGage wrote: > >> She spews crap like this so often that it occurred to me this morning, >> perhaps I just don’t understand the nature of the show she is on. The linked >> article describes her as “the conservative voice” on the show; does that >> mean her job is to just drop conservative talking point bombs into the mix, >> whether she believes them or not, just to represent the Fox crowd and >> created buzz? > > That's pretty much it. When casting a group conversation show the producers > want to be as inclusive as possible along white/non-white, young/old, > straight/gay, etc. They also want a consevrvative voice to add that point of > view to the conversation. The problem is that in national politics the > conservative position is all about trolling and owning the libs. I assume > Meghan gets a lot of pressure when she doesn't spew talking points and that > keeps her in line. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiH6viZPd%2B582Y42HN%2BgKe0x4-pf_Zii-NBZL8YMvXoPiQ%40mail.gmail.com. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/605cf0d3.1c69fb81.fa526.66f3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/3F462505-65F6-42BD-B822-0EAE2B4A0780%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Seth Meyers' contract w/ NBC expires in just 5 days
I’m going to guess it’s nothing. If there was a chance Seth wants to continue and NBC isn’t interested, his agent would be spreading the word around town and in the media to put pressure on NBC. If Seth weren’t interested in continuing he would let his viewers know. And the 800 pound gorilla in this is Lorne. NBC wouldn’t want to make him angry as his company produces Late Night. > On Feb 23, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Diner wrote: > > An interesting observation from Mark Malkoff. > > https://twitter.com/mmalkoff/status/1364276211522953219 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/c222dcde-32ba-4201-bacc-728013438c63n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/949947A2-AB5D-4908-823F-044A54079279%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Tom Hanks perpetuates urban legend on The Late Show
As the urban legend (and Hanks said) the Keeshan story was supposed to be on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. > On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:58 PM, Jon Delfin wrote: > > > And the part about Bob Keeshan? > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 5:43 PM Tom Wolper wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:05 PM Kevin M. wrote: >> >>> In the documentary on Mr Rogers a couple of years ago, they talked about >>> some of the urban myths of the man, like the reason he wore sweaters was >>> because he was an ex-Marine who had tattoos covering his arms >> >> The story Tom told about Lee Marvin on the Dick Cavett show is true. Like >> me, I assume Tom has a subscription to the Cavett Show in his YouTube feed >> and they posted this recently: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcyYvDs2WI >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiEhqArDjmQ-SwsAc%3DHePX9XuXK9p%2BhmFku_Yg3JTg6YiA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABCcf4ef0kF%3DGu9TepD104PiQEoLpxwmvx3oUiohGrh_1DSfhA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8CBB99F3-2E52-45E5-AA48-C17673848312%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL: The Steelers Ravens game is being moved from tomorrow evening to Sunday
Latest update: the Steelers Ravens game is moved to Wednesday and the Steelers Washingtons game is moved to Monday. > On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:39 PM, daniel anderson > wrote: > > So, what happens if Buck or Nantz were to get COVID? At CBS my guess, given > that he's Nantz's backup on golf, they'd would use Andrew Catalon to work > with Romo. At FOX? EitherChris Myers or Kevin Burkhardt would work > with Aikman . > >> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:26:10 PM UTC-6 Brad Beam wrote: >> Moving along: Steelers-Ravens now Tuesday night (12/1, NBC) with Baltimore’s >> Thursday (12/3) game against Dallas moved to next Monday (12/7, Fox-NFLN) as >> the opener of the MNF doubleheader. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 27, 2020, at 14:00, PGage wrote: >>> >> >>> Great, thanks! >>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 10:28 AM Jim Ellwanger wrote: Scott Hanson said yes on Twitter on Wednesday: https://twitter.com/ScottHanson/status/1331755756014751747 Presumably that means his evil twin Andrew Siciliano will also be able to show it on the DirecTV equivalent. >> On Nov 27, 2020, at 9:59 AM, PGage wrote: >> > Does anyone know if this game will be included in the RedZone coverage > like any other Sunday day game? > > My default assumption is that it will be. However not all Sunday games > are included, for instance the London games. Probably the limit is > temporal (they cover games between 10:00 am and 5:00 pm PT, the patented > “SEVEN HOURS”) and he often explains that they are contractually > obligated to get off the air by 5:00 pm, even when the afternoon (PT) > games are not over. But I guess it’s possible the contract also limits > them to games carried by CBS and Fox, and prohibits covering games on NBC. > >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 1:19 PM Brad Beam wrote: >> NBC nationwide, Sunday at 10:15a PT. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 25, 2020, at 13:53, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV wrote: >>> A cross-flex to Fox is a real possibility... they have only five >>> Sunday games to CBS' six... >> >>> >>> B >>> >>> Tom Wolper, Nov 25: Players and coaches from the Baltimore Ravens have been testing positive for COVID all this week so the NFL is postponing tomorrow's game until Sunday. The Steelers beat writers I follow on Twitter have been retweeting angry players. The team had its bye week shifted due to an outbreak they weren't responsible for and they were looking to the extended gap between tomorrow and next Sunday. Now that's gone due to an outbreak they aren't responsible for. Of course they can't complain about having their season ruined because they are 10-0. https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-steelers-game-moved-from-thursday-to-sunday >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/66a77cd3-ea8c-441f-89ff-448132ccd680n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/1F4E1215-1BB1-498E-817D-D87F3B7E9629%40suddenlink.net. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BoF_e%3DGY-KJwj6GfZ_ztdPD4c3YhCG9ico33eUUoJQeg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/678A6DAA-7F5A-4E18-ACD0-90A0B6C5B109%40ellwanger.tv. >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. >> >>>
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: F--- NBC
In my mind it was two different threads. The “Dueling Town Halls” was the framing of the AP and it was to be neutral. “Fuck NBC” was a specific reaction to a deliberate decision by NBC News to negate holding Trump accountable for blowing up the second debate and then giving him the equivalent of a rally to replace the debate in a spot where he can deflect attention from Biden. > On Oct 15, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Joe Hass wrote: > > You totally had this, sir. My deepest apologies. > >> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:56:57 AM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote: >> Uhhh... https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/LCnrkXLGuMo (link) >> >> Joe Hass, Oct 14th: >>> On October 8, ABC News announced a one-hour town hall with Joe Biden on >>> Thursday, October 15 (the day of the town hall debate Donald Trump refused >>> to attend) at 8:00 PM ET. >>> >>> Today NBC News announced a one-hour NBC News town hall with Trump...on >>> Thursday, October 15 at 8:00 PM ET. >>> >>> Really: f--- NBC >>> >>> https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-joe-biden-donald-trump-savannah-guthrie-health-8b01a0cdb2b3f5b0aa53b51c10934207 >> >> >> B >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/10200bb9-b02e-4309-a89c-d12ff9705386n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8F9295AC-950F-4F78-9C1D-02F311975984%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] He’s Baaaaack (KO leaves ESPN to do political commentary)
Go to YouTube and do a search for Keith Olbermann. When the results come up choose a video where KO is the source. On that page look for the Subscribe link and tap or click on it. After that when you go to the YouTube page or load the app go to your subscriptions and his videos will be there. > On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:13 PM, PGage wrote: > > > > You can read the release on deadline, but I prefer the video on his Twitter. > I’m still not sure what a YouTube channel is, but I will figure it out. > > https://deadline.com/2020/10/keith-olbermann-espn-youtube-2020-election-1234592753/ > > https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1313602428340764672?s=21 > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BLjqnNLW18rxJN8V9dW%3DTovDz4hVnB6CDeUUgVnYpaOw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8FEF3DA6-6378-4126-B474-F2251CCE4F78%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] well, that changes everything
Peacock will become Universal+ > On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Kevin M. wrote: > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:31 AM M-D November wrote: >> So wait - following that logic, will Paramount+ eventually upgrade to SUPER >> PARAMOUNT? (And will there be some form of magic toaster?) > > Super Paramount hosted by Bert Convy! > >> >> >>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 11:09:36 AM UTC-4 b...@benscripps.com >>> wrote: >>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Kevin M. wrote: >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > As a kid, my favorite vinyl record store chain was Music+ >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Can we bring that back too, please? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not just Password... >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/8a1d04d9-e5b6-45e0-b2cb-c6a8db09cbf8n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> > -- > Kevin M. (RPCV) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4AjQ%3Dcid49WhubPJFiF16j-BNpw9YsMhBNC%2B4F6ue9f5Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CD685531-D3EF-467E-85B0-912FD36E0A5E%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Central character of "Caddyshack" wants IRL caddie job
Resentful was the missing word. > On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:19 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > Part of me thinks there should have been another adjective following > "pretty." > > Tom Wolper, to Kevin M, in part, Sept 4th: >> But then Ramis brought in Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, and Rodney Dangerfield >> and changed the focus to their over-the-top antics. O'Keefe sounded pretty >> about the way the movie turned out. > > B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/658139a0-8931-4c16-ab9e-8dd8691cdf7fn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/6760C7CC-1ABD-4955-96B0-0D74298D09A7%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy and Wheel are taping new episodes
More spaces between words on the board. > On Jul 30, 2020, at 10:08 PM, stannc wrote: > > So more bankrupt spaces on the wheel then? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/d5d79efd-8f8d-48ba-87d4-ba233976c701o%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/C51D00AF-C05E-46D6-B163-24C476F337DE%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Racism and Reality TV
I should add that another thing that is changing is if a young man who was brought on to be a bad boy character was found to have some racist tweets or IG posts in his past, the response from the producers or the network would be to express regret and let it go. That’s changing now. > On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Tom Wolper wrote: > > >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM Kevin M. wrote: > >> Without reading the article, my experience with reality TV and race could >> best be described as tokenism. Shows going back to The Real World have THE >> black guy or THE Asian girl or for that matter THE gay cast member. That way >> they couldn’t be accused of excluding anyone, but they weren’t exactly >> trying to be inclusive either. > > That described the reality TV world June and the article is about what has > been happening since then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/A77E13F6-F2BF-4822-8077-8D4407B31B15%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: A Torturous Broadcasting Hypothetical for CBS
Regarding the Athletic paywall, they are currently offering a free 90 day subscription. The NFL website and Yahoo Sports have offered limited free streaming games the last couple of years. CBS could show the games only in their cities and put a crawl directing people to the streaming version. > On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Brad Beam wrote: > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/F8FB51A2-18CF-4E00-9E49-E03AA9388779%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] David Spade show to be shopped elsewhere
The main take away I get from this story is that Comedy Central doesn’t love and respect him even if they say they do. > On Apr 4, 2020, at 1:23 PM, PGage wrote: > > > The main take away I get from this story is that the show was underperforming > expectations even before virus concerns. I have not even checked in on this > show in months, and will not be searching for it online. > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:59 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >> wrote: >> Comedy Central loves and respects him, but the lack of an endgame in the >> virus sitch makes for dodgy production prospects, even as the increased >> homeboundness makes for improved ratings for the channel. >> >> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/comedy-central-david-spades-lights-out-1234570770/ >> (link) >> >> B >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/af7e5341-34b0-4f10-8a4c-d749c25d5bbb%40googlegroups.com. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLsQwJucJdYw8vXT2vad66C0kJ5Jk8t3QK-ZBatnsJLuA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/3395F6CB-0F46-42FB-A930-67C7DB2C3A93%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Decision on Summer Olympics coming in a month
Teams still have to be chosen and the athletes need to train to be at peak shape for the games. And, of course, the participating countries can’t be under lockdown. If the games were to take place at the originally scheduled time they’d be a farce. > On Mar 22, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Joe Hass wrote: > > > I feel obligated to quote Harry Shearer: "The Olympics: It's a movement, and > everyone needs one! > >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 18:23 Kevin M. wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:50 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV >>> wrote: >>> But organizers added, "cancellation is not an option." >> >> That sort of statement from them pisses me off, because — and this should be >> obvious — cancellation IS an option. They are only games. >> >>> >>> Comcast and Discovery reiterate that their investments are protected by >>> insurance. >>> >>> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/olympics-tokyo-ioc-mull-postponement-1203541780/ >>> (link) >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/247ddf74-8df0-4ffa-a3a3-dc417e0a02e3%40googlegroups.com. >> -- >> Kevin M. (RPCV) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKgmY4CQoJ2X1J3PXxWrYRd0V03rjvAvzpM_ZWkOVBqS1YYFVg%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2BdsBWEjwBdKxti_VkVg33ZRRhLii86B9PwMn-1L7AESVA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/C4357610-2CA4-4B3F-93E1-86926ECDD1E0%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: congrats
I’ve met him both in NYC and SF. You could easily talk to him about theater and Letterman for hours. I met him before he and his wife Pidge were on Jeopardy so you could talk about that too. > On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Mark Jeffries wrote: > > > Let me add my congratulations, even if I've had my disagreements with you > (but hasn't everyone?). > > I should say that right now I'm planning a trip to San Francisco later this > spring and I wonder what I'm going to say if I run into Sikula other than > "nice to meet you in person" and (if I see a show he's in) "great job!" (I'm > sure as hell not going to talk about "SNL" or other things.) > > Mark Jeffries > Saints Spotlight Editor > spotligh...@gmail.com > > >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:15 PM Doug Eastick wrote: >> I saw on The Book of Face that one of our long term members has become >> engaged to be married this year. Announced on today on Valentine's Day. I >> great big congrats to that Long Term Outspoken Opinionated member of the >> list. >> >> Shannon Doherty should now be relieved. >> Dick Clark will not be hosting a reception for them. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug Eastick >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAK5Q1BpcNqn5KAOSVJCfOZuosHox3N4iRyigKaM2rtkiyp_aXg%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJ_uKi-xuT3vTke31An_TL1s63B_uqKhr5YkqsK9N1OTMS6naQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/AB8CECBB-622D-49C0-B510-A6EAF300B295%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: My email for this account
Virtually every service provider has a web based interface for email. You could access it through their website. An alternative is to try another email program. > On Jan 19, 2020, at 2:39 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > > There is a sudden issue with the email program I use for my PTD addy: a DLL > from .NET Framework refuses to load. > > I've reached out to other places for help, but if this is within any of your > realms of expertise suggestions are appreciated (I'll just have to hope GG > web doesn't strike on me as well) > > B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/e9f0b121-d283-4feb-a1ee-ea67452ee32f%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/62D900CB-4179-4117-AC9D-CC43CC2F1071%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Donz' Youtube channel "not available"
“Thumbs up” emoji. > On Sep 14, 2019, at 11:49 AM, 'donz5' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > All access issues finally resolved. I now just have to keep my nose clean for > three months; the two copyright strikes expire on December 9. > Thanks, everybody. I added a good ten years to my life this last week. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2930772a-a0fe-4420-946d-c8702138f4f9%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/3627B543-010C-49E8-9561-A58DAD8B5124%40gmail.com.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Review: "Ballad of Buster Scruggs" on Netflix
According to IMDB All Gold Canyon was based on a story by Jack London and The Gal Who Got Rattled was inspired by a story by Stewart Edward White. > On Jan 23, 2019, at 6:55 PM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > At least two of the stories are adapted from other writers. > > —Dave Sikula > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Penny Marshall
When I saw a random tweet about it I googled her name and that seemed the best source. > On Dec 18, 2018, at 4:36 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV > wrote: > > > Amazing how both you and Kev reffed the Dog Trainer. > > THR (link) noted that she was the first guest star to record voices for "The > Simpsons" (not the first to air) > > B > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NBC's Holt tops poll of most-trusted anchors
I didn’t think Hannity was an anchor. But I have never seen his show so I wasn’t going to comment. I also think people say they trust cable hosts less because they don’t like the brand of the channel, not because they watch the shows and don’t trust the hosts. > On Nov 13, 2018, at 9:49 PM, M-D November wrote: > > "On the contrary, the 10 least-trusted television news personalities all work > for cable networks: Fox News host Sean Hannity leads the way (30 percent say > they don't trust him "at all") followed by MSNBC's Rachel Maddow (26 > percent), CNN's Don Lemon (25 percent) and MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski (23 > percent)." > > So it's not that Hannity is last on the "most trusted" scale - he's first on > the "least trusted" scale. A subtle, but distinct difference. > > I also feel like this list conflates 'anchors' with 'personalities', but what > do I know? > >> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 8:53:04 PM UTC-5, Bob Jersey wrote: >> >> Ahead of two from ABC, Muir and Roberts. BW makes a notable comeback. Least >> of the bunch: Hannity. >> >> THR (link) >> >> B >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
