[twitter-dev] Re: 401: Could not authenticate with OAuth.
me too. On Jun 27, 6:09 pm, vishal vishal@gmail.com wrote: I am having trouble posting to twitter from my ruby on rails app. The consumer keys and secrets are correct, also the oauth token and secret seem to be fine. The code used to work fine but I have been getting these error since today morning. Is anyone facing the same issue or am I going wrong anywhere? client = Twitter::Client.new( :consumer_key = 'X', :consumer_secret = 'XX', :oauth_token = XX, :oauth_token_secret = , :endpoint = 'https://api.twitter.com') #Twitter::Client:0x104ae9e30 @user_agent=Twitter Ruby Gem 1.1.2, @proxy=nil, @endpoint=https://api.twitter.com;, @search_endpoint=https://search.twitter.com/;, @format=:json, @consumer_key=, @oauth_token_secret=, @adapter=:net_http, @oauth_token=, @consumer_secret=XXX client.update post message Twitter::Unauthorized: POSThttps://api.twitter.com/statuses/update.json: 401: Could not authenticate with OAuth. Thanks Vishal Kajjam -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: 401: Could not authenticate with OAuth.
Specifically I have: 'account/verify_credentials.xml' finishes with HTTP 200 All other requests work fine. Only 'friendships/create.xml' and 'friendships/delete.xml request fails with the following error: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? hash errorCould not authenticate with OAuth./error request/1/friendships/create.xml?screen_name=rosariodawson/ request /hash Request's header Authorization = OAuth realm=\\, oauth_consumer_key=\X\, oauth_token=\179876397- xcJcDpijQ7Mde1QCGfTUHdLLbxWovkQhCiqXdDA\, oauth_signature_method= \HMAC- SHA1\, oauth_signature=\Gl7u0xZ3iGRKPS%2BFMNHBTB0Gwkg%3D\, oauth_timestamp=\1309173898\, oauth_nonce=\26DA6912-F3CC-40A6-B746- B4F18135C321\, oauth_version=\1.0\; X-Twitter-Client = TwTool; X-Twitter-Client-Url = http://www.eatoni.com/;; X-Twitter-Client-Version = 1; Response's header Cache-Control = no-cache, max-age=1800; Connection = Keep-Alive; Content-Encoding = gzip; Content-Type = application/xml; charset=utf-8; Date = Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:27:20 GMT; Expires = Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:57:20 GMT; Keep-Alive = timeout=15, max=100; Server = hi; Set-Cookie = k=213.108.72.42.1309174040693549; path=/; expires=Mon, 04-Jul-11 11:27:20 GMT; domain=.twitter.com, guest_id=130917404070357573; path=/; expires=Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:27:20 GMT, _twitter_sess=BAh7CDoHaWQiJTcyZmM4ZTk0ODkzMThkZjZjY2FhNzIxMjMwNjQ2ZTVlIgpm %250AbGFzaElDOidBY3Rpb25Db250cm9sbGVyOjpGbGFzaDo6Rmxhc2hIYXNoewAG %250AOgpAdXNlZHsAOg9jcmVhdGVkX2F0bCsIhoja0DAB --bc92ade75da0322e48b793fbee2dff7ad914b087; domain=.twitter.com; path=/; HttpOnly; Status = 401 Unauthorized; Transfer-Encoding = Identity; Vary = Accept-Encoding; Www-Authenticate = OAuth realm=\https://api.twitter.com\;; X-Runtime = 0.00949; On Jun 27, 6:09 pm, vishal vishal@gmail.com wrote: I am having trouble posting to twitter from my ruby on rails app. The consumer keys and secrets are correct, also the oauth token and secret seem to be fine. The code used to work fine but I have been getting these error since today morning. Is anyone facing the same issue or am I going wrong anywhere? client = Twitter::Client.new( :consumer_key = 'X', :consumer_secret = 'XX', :oauth_token = XX, :oauth_token_secret = , :endpoint = 'https://api.twitter.com') #Twitter::Client:0x104ae9e30 @user_agent=Twitter Ruby Gem 1.1.2, @proxy=nil, @endpoint=https://api.twitter.com;, @search_endpoint=https://search.twitter.com/;, @format=:json, @consumer_key=, @oauth_token_secret=, @adapter=:net_http, @oauth_token=, @consumer_secret=XXX client.update post message Twitter::Unauthorized: POSThttps://api.twitter.com/statuses/update.json: 401: Could not authenticate with OAuth. Thanks Vishal Kajjam -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] please give us a way to test error 93
we're ready to test. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: https://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: https://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: https://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] How're Special Characters Treated in the Search API?
Hi Everyone, The following query, which includes a period, returns nonsensical results: http://search.twitter.com/search.atom?q=%22Battle+for+Bean+Street%22+OR+%22Battle+for+Bean+St.%22page=1rpp=11 Removing the period fixes it. I've looked at http://apiwiki.twitter.com/w/page/22554756/Twitter-Search-API-Method:-search and can't find anything about how special characters are treated. Which characters are considered special and what're the rules regarding them? Thanks all! -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] PNG's not uploading
THe API has not been uploading PNG's as avatars/profile pix that my app sends. Then I tried on twitter.com directly and surprisingly got the there was a problem updating your profile message. I tried with a JPG on the website and it worked fine. Are you aware of the issue? -H
[twitter-dev] Re: Avatar change - JSON issue
This seems to be a good thread to ask about a roadmap issue about avatar handling, because it brings up the issue of timeline accuracy with respect to the avatar. If you use a mobile user agent to view twitter (I used iPhone 3.0) you will see an interesting layout difference with respect to avatars. Each tweet on a single user's page has its own copy of the avatar place to the left of the tweet. http://mobile.twitter.com/twitter for example. There have been many occasions (and these use cases will only increase over time) in which the avatar was changed and is referenced in the tweet itself. The green overlay meme for iranelection was such a time. Another was when @whitehouse, in the run-up to the health care reform bill, changed their avatar every day (with a number in a blue field) to refer to an issue that they wanted to highlight. http://www.flickr.com/photos/como8/4471337214/sizes/o/in/set-72157623597762275/ This contextual history is currently lost forever. How cool would it have been to see this tweet (@jack s first ever tweet: http://twitter.com/jack/status/29 ) with the historically accurate avatar instead of his current one?? Hey twitter guys, does this sound like something you'd like to build into the platform? -H On Apr 27, 2:06 pm, Edi edi@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. That's all I needed to know :) On Apr 26, 7:41 pm, Mark McBride mmcbr...@twitter.com wrote: It's in the bug tracker, and on my list of stuff to look at. Caching in general is a high priority issue at the moment. ---Mark http://twitter.com/mccv -- Subscription settings:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
[twitter-dev] Re: Introduce yourself!
Great to see the variety of folks on the list. I'm the founder of the just released http://www.twavatars.com/ , your twitter avatar's little helper. I worked hard to get it to be a cool, fun and easy little tool. I'd love to get some feedback from anyone who's got the time and willingness to do so. Most fervent wishes are greater platform stability and speed in general and more bulletproof avatar architecture and handling. Me = @howardliptzin and @twavatars
[twitter-dev] Re: Any iPhone Twitter apps with OAuth login ?
Hello, I'm looking for a list of iPhone apps using the new Oauth flow. Can anyone point me to some live apps to see it in action? Thanks, H On Feb 7, 4:14 am, Fabien Penso fabienpe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Good news. A mobile-friendly version of the OAuth page is due to be deployed next week (finally!:). We look forward to your feedback on the new screens when they are ready. Looks much better now, thanks !
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Spurious SMS notifications
I've started getting new spurious SMS messages again. The latest set of messages started coming in yesterday evening. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 21:14, Mark McBride mmcbr...@twitter.com wrote: We believe we've addressed this issue. If you see any further SMSs or tweets please let me know. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Howard Siegel hsie...@gmail.com wrote: Just got my first errant SMS message today. This one is from someone that I am following. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:15, mccv mark.mcbr...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, thanks for the info. We have people working on this. On Dec 9, 3:51 pm, Howard Siegel hsie...@gmail.com wrote: I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days, though I have not received any today (as yet). I have turned on SMS only for DMs and none of these were DMs to me. I have not yet actually verified that I am following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes though. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley naz...@somewhere.com wrote: I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people I am following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are *not* retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check and see if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore, I only have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about four users, and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have a friend who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is still getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't set to send her notificationqs. Examples: I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all). http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810 http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419 Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems highly unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications. http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267 http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194 -- ---Mark http://twitter.com/mccv
Re: [twitter-dev] Spurious SMS notifications
I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days, though I have not received any today (as yet). I have turned on SMS only for DMs and none of these were DMs to me. I have not yet actually verified that I am following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes though. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley naz...@somewhere.com wrote: I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people I am following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are *not* retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check and see if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore, I only have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about four users, and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have a friend who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is still getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't set to send her notificationqs. Examples: I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all). http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810 http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419 Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems highly unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications. http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267 http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Spurious SMS notifications
Just got my first errant SMS message today. This one is from someone that I am following. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:15, mccv mark.mcbr...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, thanks for the info. We have people working on this. On Dec 9, 3:51 pm, Howard Siegel hsie...@gmail.com wrote: I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days, though I have not received any today (as yet). I have turned on SMS only for DMs and none of these were DMs to me. I have not yet actually verified that I am following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes though. - h On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley naz...@somewhere.com wrote: I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people I am following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are *not* retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check and see if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore, I only have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about four users, and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have a friend who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is still getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't set to send her notificationqs. Examples: I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all). http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810 http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419 Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems highly unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications. http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267 http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter API gives different results for different IPs?
We're getting ready to launch an avatar-centric app, and it would be great to have some idea what the status is of this issue. Thanks. h On Nov 21, 6:11 am, howard howard.lipt...@gmail.com wrote: I have 3 letters to suggest to you: CDN :-) Hope to hear good news soon! -H On Nov 20, 4:46 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hi howard. its on the list - we have a theory as to what is wrong, but that still needs to be investigated, tested, etc. please just continue to add color and data to the thread on the google code tracker so that we have more information to look at. If you need ANY other help, just ask and we can produce other test pages for you to accelerate the process. Just specify what you need and we can try to whip up a tool. OK? We're glad to help. Raffi, can you tell me where this is on your priority list, so that we can plan our development? The user experience of our app depends on getting this resolved, so we may have to devise a strategy to improve the UX in the meantime. Thanks again for your speedy responses. - Howard On Nov 17, 2:55 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hey! this is great - this will help us track down the issue in our system! thanks! Hello, we have built a little test page here: http://twavatars-dev.appspot.com/test?screen_name=freddyxyz And I'll head over to the code tracker now to post the URL and a comment. -H On Nov 16, 3:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: Hi. This is a known issue and is being tracked on the google code tracker for the API - please feel free to add more information about this issue there. Thanks! On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Sarp Erdag sarp.er...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I looks like the methods users/show and account/verify_credentials give different results especially for the profile_image_url block when called from different machines. After there is an avatar update (whether from the twitter web ui or over a 3rd party app that uses the api (oauth or basic) when these methods are called from different IPs, I see they are getting different profile_umage_urls. Sometimes the updated version is shown, sometimes not... Any recommendations / explanations how to deal with this issue? -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team ra...@twitter.com | @raffi -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team ra...@twitter.com | @raffi
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter API gives different results for different IPs?
I have 3 letters to suggest to you: CDN :-) Hope to hear good news soon! -H On Nov 20, 4:46 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hi howard. its on the list - we have a theory as to what is wrong, but that still needs to be investigated, tested, etc. please just continue to add color and data to the thread on the google code tracker so that we have more information to look at. If you need ANY other help, just ask and we can produce other test pages for you to accelerate the process. Just specify what you need and we can try to whip up a tool. OK? We're glad to help. Raffi, can you tell me where this is on your priority list, so that we can plan our development? The user experience of our app depends on getting this resolved, so we may have to devise a strategy to improve the UX in the meantime. Thanks again for your speedy responses. - Howard On Nov 17, 2:55 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hey! this is great - this will help us track down the issue in our system! thanks! Hello, we have built a little test page here: http://twavatars-dev.appspot.com/test?screen_name=freddyxyz And I'll head over to the code tracker now to post the URL and a comment. -H On Nov 16, 3:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: Hi. This is a known issue and is being tracked on the google code tracker for the API - please feel free to add more information about this issue there. Thanks! On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Sarp Erdag sarp.er...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I looks like the methods users/show and account/verify_credentials give different results especially for the profile_image_url block when called from different machines. After there is an avatar update (whether from the twitter web ui or over a 3rd party app that uses the api (oauth or basic) when these methods are called from different IPs, I see they are getting different profile_umage_urls. Sometimes the updated version is shown, sometimes not... Any recommendations / explanations how to deal with this issue? -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team ra...@twitter.com | @raffi -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team ra...@twitter.com | @raffi
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter API gives different results for different IPs?
If you need ANY other help, just ask and we can produce other test pages for you to accelerate the process. Just specify what you need and we can try to whip up a tool. OK? We're glad to help. Raffi, can you tell me where this is on your priority list, so that we can plan our development? The user experience of our app depends on getting this resolved, so we may have to devise a strategy to improve the UX in the meantime. Thanks again for your speedy responses. - Howard On Nov 17, 2:55 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hey! this is great - this will help us track down the issue in our system! thanks! Hello, we have built a little test page here: http://twavatars-dev.appspot.com/test?screen_name=freddyxyz And I'll head over to the code tracker now to post the URL and a comment. -H On Nov 16, 3:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: Hi. This is a known issue and is being tracked on the google code tracker for the API - please feel free to add more information about this issue there. Thanks! On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Sarp Erdag sarp.er...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I looks like the methods users/show and account/verify_credentials give different results especially for the profile_image_url block when called from different machines. After there is an avatar update (whether from the twitter web ui or over a 3rd party app that uses the api (oauth or basic) when these methods are called from different IPs, I see they are getting different profile_umage_urls. Sometimes the updated version is shown, sometimes not... Any recommendations / explanations how to deal with this issue? -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team ra...@twitter.com | @raffi
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter API gives different results for different IPs?
Hello, we have built a little test page here: http://twavatars-dev.appspot.com/test?screen_name=freddyxyz And I'll head over to the code tracker now to post the URL and a comment. -H On Nov 16, 3:19 pm, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: Hi. This is a known issue and is being tracked on the google code tracker for the API - please feel free to add more information about this issue there. Thanks! On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:32 AM, Sarp Erdag sarp.er...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I looks like the methods users/show and account/verify_credentials give different results especially for the profile_image_url block when called from different machines. After there is an avatar update (whether from the twitter web ui or over a 3rd party app that uses the api (oauth or basic) when these methods are called from different IPs, I see they are getting different profile_umage_urls. Sometimes the updated version is shown, sometimes not... Any recommendations / explanations how to deal with this issue?
[twitter-dev] Re: Problems getting other people's friend list or follower list
It would be useful to others if you posted more information about what
the solution was.
- h
On 2009-11-03, lane.montgomery lane.montgom...@gmail.com wrote:
Problem solved.
On Nov 3, 7:03 am, lane.montgomery lane.montgom...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, just signed up for the forum and posting a new topic. Gotta love
people like me, but I really need the help.
When I make a call to the API like this:
$user1results = $to-OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/friends/
ids/'.$user1.'.json', array(), 'GET');
or this:
$user1results = $to-OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/followers/
ids/'.$user1.'.json', array(), 'GET');
and pass the $user1 variable from a form entry, no matter what it is,
it always returns MY username's friend list or follower list.
Am I crazy, I thought you could request other people's info as long as
your account had access to that information on Twitter. But no matter
what I do, even hard-coding somebody's username in there, it still
only pulls my information.
7am and headed out to work, but I was up to 3am this morning working
on this to no avail. I really am stuck.
Let me know if you want to help me but need more code examples. I am
using the standard OAuth library linked to from twitter's apikiwi by:
Abraham Williams (abra...@abrah.am)http://abrah.amif that helps any.
Thanks to anybody for any assistance you can offer!
[twitter-dev] Re: Duplicate Tweets
Thanks for the response Chad. Hoping we can find measures to curb abuse while still allowing responsible use of recurrence as a useful tool for publishers, businesses and their followers who benefit from the consistency/timeliness of the communications. On 10/13/09 8:28 PM, Chad Etzel c...@twitter.com wrote: Believe it or not, I've been reading every post on this thread with great intent. I have been proxying major points to powers that be and started an internal discussion on the topic at hand. The resulting decisions and policies that may be made/enforced from these discussions is, how do you say, above my pay grade. We do listen to these threads as long as the discussion remains constructive, which this one has. -Chad On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: The only Twitter participation we've had thus far on this unfortunate matter was Chad aging 10 years in 10 seconds over the idea that someone can write a desktop or browser script that scrapes the login page and then do whatever the hell it pleases (you know, like posting something awful like recurring tweets). The sad thing is this. Selected people at Twitter are very familiar with my level of cooperation with them. Believe it or not, there are people in Twitter who actually view me as one of the good guys. With my users having a recurring tweet feature available to them, and with the cooperation of Twitter and suitable information from Twitter, I could have contained the matter programmatically. But, with what essentially amounts as a flat-out rejection of my offer to cooperate and change my system to prevent duplicate tweets, they have now sent all those users off somewhere else, into the loving arms of people who couldn't give a shit about working with Twitter, and have in essence unleashed recurring tweet hell on themselves. The demand for recurring tweets has not suddenly magically disappeared. Let me repeat that. Hopefully someone in Twitter will take notice. The demand for recurring tweets has not suddenly magically disappeared. Dewald On Oct 13, 9:22 pm, JDG ghil...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno. It'd be nice. I personally like rearranging deck chairs like this. It was civil and, hopefully, productive. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 17:39, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: I often wonder whether our non-API musings here on these forums have any effect on anything, or are we just amusing ourselves by rearranging deck chairs? Dewald On Oct 13, 8:03 pm, Justyn justyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: If duplicate tweets are the concern, then why are RT's on their way to being a feature? Abuse is the concern. Not duplicate content, right? So a local restaurant can't setup a tweet to go out on Wednesdays to remind their followers of 1/2 off appetizers? There's no ill intent here, and they have businesses to run. Doesn't twitter want businesses to foster it's platform? There's valid uses for recurring content within reason. It's not realistic to ask users to come up with 52 unique headlines, hunt down the associated link and fire up the laptop prior to happy to hour every Wednesday at 6:00 in order to get a message out to people who opted to follow them. What's the happy-medium here? On Oct 13, 4:00 pm, JDG ghil...@gmail.com wrote: They already do that ... in SOME cases. Pharmacies are required (or maybe simply strongly encouraged) to sell OTC meds like Sudafed behind the counter because some people use that to make crystal meth. The government requires a waiting period on guns because some people use guns to murder people. Rightly or wrongly -- and I seriously believe you did this with no abusive intent -- you provided a tool that made it very easy for users to post duplicate tweets. They didn't shut you down. They gave you a stern warning. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 14:39, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Now there is an excellent analogy, which begs the question, Where is the user's responsibility in this? I have very clearly warned my users, every time they enter a tweet, that they must adhere to the Twitter Rules, with hyperlinks to those rules. That was not good enough. So, with your analogy in mind, should the authorities pull over speeders, or should they shut down manufacturers that make vehicles that can exceed the speed limit? Or, in a different analogy, should the government shut down Home Depot because they sell chain saws and box cutters, and some people use chain saws and box cutters to murder other human beings? Dewald On Oct 13, 5:31 pm, JDG ghil...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and should be treated as such. I personally detest all those stupid twitter-based games. Point is, with Twitter's userbase, some get through the cracks. Don't like it, report it. This is like complaining that cops only pull over SOME speeders. Yeah, some are going to get through the cracks.
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Background
I don't know what the max dimensions are, but the picture will repeat horizontally and vertically (though that might be configurable, but I set my background image info a long time ago and don't remember all the details right now). - h On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 17:47, shapper mdmo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I need to create a custom Twitter background. What are the dimensions for it and the allowed maximum size or the size you advice? Does the background repeats horizontal and vertically? What are the options? Thanks, Miguel
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter for a Library
You should get a verified account since they'll presumably want to be a trusted provider of information. - h On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 20:01, spyrrow hughes...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I need to set up a Twitter account for one of my clients, which is a public library. Anything I need to set up differently then what is provided on your set up account page? What would you suggest? Spyrrow
[twitter-dev] Re: Followers Friends IDs Are Seriously MESSED Up!
There have been times when a friend or follower id has been reported multiple times. Did you check to see if any of the friend or follower ids that you get back were duplicates? - h On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 20:17, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: For @dewaldp I get, via the API social graph methods with paging: Friends: 764 , Followers: 3,977. While on my web profile the numbers are: Friends: 747 , Followers: 3,911. On Sep 4, 11:56 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Not only do the social graph calls now suddenly, without any prior warning of announcement, return only 5,000 ids, it is messed up even when you do the paging as per the API documentation. Case in point. @socialoomph has 16,598 followers. If you page through the follower ids with page, you get only 12,017 entries. This is highly frustrating, and it has now completely screwed up my follower processing. It does not help that Twitter has rolled out something into production without any kind of testing, right before a weekend. Dewald
[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!
Not taking sides, here, but so far you are the only one that has reported receiving the CD letter. How do you get from 1 instance of legal action to Twitter's lawyers are shutting down the third party developer community? - h On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:56, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Does Twitter inc know that their lawyers are shutting down the third party developer community?
[twitter-dev] Re: 302s are NOT the solution
TCP/IP is the protocol underneath HTTP, is not a web service protocol and requires a whole different method to manage and use connections. Think of it as the raw data pipe by which the HTTP protocol is used to communicate between a client program (i.e. a web broswer) and the server program (i.e. a web server). It can not be used in the way that I seem to think you are intending it to be used. - h On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 17:30, Kyle Mulka repalvigla...@yahoo.com wrote: From Wikipedia: Some upper layer protocols provide their own defense against IP spoofing. For example, Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) uses sequence numbers negotiated with the remote machine to ensure that arriving packets are part of an established connection. Since the attacker normally can't see any reply packets, he has to guess the sequence number in order to hijack the connection. The poor implementation in many older operating systems and network devices, however, means that TCP sequence numbers can be predicted. This seems to say that TCP could be used instead of HTTP 302s. Is there something I'm missing for why 302s are necessary here? -- Kyle Mulka http://twilk.com On Aug 8, 10:45 pm, John Kalucki jkalu...@gmail.com wrote: In a simplified sense, the redirect nullifies a pernicious class of attack where the source IP address is forged. A redirect cannot be followed with a false source address. The attacks that remain are those where the source IP address is valid. You can then imagine other techniques that than can be applied against valid IP addresses. And so the problem is divided and ameliorated, but never fully solved. I'm going to push back for a second with some food for thought for developers: The API is via HTTP. HTTP is a well defined protocol. 302 redirects are a valid and well worn part of the HTTP protocol. Consider why applications are not built using fully HTTP compliant libraries. This doesn't address all the problems that we're all having, but it does address some. -John Kaluckihttp://twitter.com/jkalucki Services, Twitter Inc. On Aug 8, 8:53 am, Kyle Mulka repalvigla...@yahoo.com wrote: An attacker can just as easily follow a 302 as can a legitimate API developer or user of Twitter. I don't understand why Twitter thinks this is a solution to the problem. Please stop 302ing. Thanks, -- Kyle Mulkahttp://twilk.com
[twitter-dev] Re: 302s are NOT the solution
I support them wholeheartedly and appreciate everything they've done to thwart the DDOS attack. While it is true that many of the tools used in the attack do not appear to follow the 302s right now, you can be your bottom dollar that they will very quickly be updated to do just that, perhaps even quicker than Twitter can finish recovering from the attack and put in to place measures to better survive future attacks. At best it is a stopgap to get over the current attack. - h On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 16:11, Fawkes daveha...@gmail.com wrote: They can, but apparently they don't, otherwise Twitter wouldn't have used it as a tactic. They're going through a very difficult time, we need to be patient and supportive of them! Dave http://twitter.com/DavidHaber On Aug 8, 8:53 am, Kyle Mulka repalvigla...@yahoo.com wrote: An attacker can just as easily follow a 302 as can a legitimate API developer or user of Twitter. I don't understand why Twitter thinks this is a solution to the problem. Please stop 302ing. Thanks, -- Kyle Mulkahttp://twilk.com
[twitter-dev] Re: What Twitter account is used for important announcements?
Don't know if there is an @twitterstatus account, but there is the Twitter Status Blog at http://status.twitter.com/. - h
[twitter-dev] Re: oauth redirects fail....
If this has only been happening since this morning, then it is likely this is just part of the aftermath of the DOS attack on Twitter. - h On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:53, yuf kyl...@gmail.com wrote: I have yet to get oAuth callbacks to work properly. After clicking Allow, I end up on a completely blank twittter.com/oauth/authorize page. If I try to look at the source, it asked if should resend. If I do, the source comes back that contains the redirect. But if I'm not looking at the source, the page just hangs for a while, and then ends up blank. What is up here? I've tried a variety of callback urls, from localhost, to the actual domain I'm using for development. Any one experience similar?
[twitter-dev] Re: Preventing Twitter from interpreting @ characters
Which will destroy the URL. ;-O - h On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:50, JDG ghil...@gmail.com wrote: put a space after the @ sign? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 22:11, Bradley S. O'Hearne brad.ohea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am trying to post a URL to a Twitter status that has a @ character in it. The problem is probably obvious -- anyone know how to prevent Twitter from interpreting the @ as a username? Thanks, Brad -- Internets. Serious business.
[twitter-dev] Re: bug on more button
You only need to click on the more button once, like a hyperlink and unlike an application icon. Clicking on it twice, in rapid succession as you did, just tells the web backend that you want to load the information and then load it again. - h On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 22:00, Douglas Melo drow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello developers. I didn't find another way to talk to you that a find a bug on twitter. When you double-click on the button more to see more messages, it shows the next messages and as it ends to load them, it loads them again. It seems to call two times the method to load asynchronously the message. I think I'm helping telling 'bout this. Maybe, twitter could have a bug area...don't know..=P
[twitter-dev] Re: Adding tweets with a certain word them them to a feed on your site?
Yes, there are search widgets you can put in to the HTML for your website. There are also plugins for the various blogging engines which will add a twitter search box to a blog. - h On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 02:48, DougMellon douglas.mel...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a way I could add tweets with a certain word in them to a feed on my site? For example if there are tweets that have say #somethinghere in them. If I search twitter for #somethinghere (#somethinghere) the list of tweets comes up. Is it possible to get that list of tweets posted on my site? This may be really confusing and if so let me know and ill try to word it another way. Thanks in advance, Doug
[twitter-dev] Re: Followers with time they followed
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 23:45, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/19 niff nick.fr...@gmail.com: Hello everyone, I'm trying to pull a list of followers, including the time they started following. I'm not sure what method should be used for this. Here's what I thought about so far and didn't work. - ids.xml (obviously not) - followers.xml the more detailed one (still no info on the time) - friendship exists (still no info on the time) Anyone can help with ideas for this. Is there a method or combination of methods, or any idea, to get the time this follower started following? There is no API call that reports the time a follower relationship was created. Last I heard Twitter don't actually record it at all, if they did I'd expect it to be shown on the main website which it's not. -Stuart http://stut.net/projects/twitter/ Your followers on the twitter web site are (or at least were last time I checked) listed in descending order from the newest to the oldest follower. Do they just keep the list in order or do they keep the time of follow internally and then sort the list in reverse chronological order when needed for display? - h
[twitter-dev] Re: Should consumer token be kept secret?
There was just a long thread discussing these sorts of security issues. The thread title is Security Best Practices and is at http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/45550d6cebf86051# - h On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05, Grant Emsley grant.ems...@gmail.com wrote: I'm almost ready to release a desktop app using OAuth. It's written in Perl, so anyone can read the source. Should I remove my consumer token and secret and make people get their own? Or is it safe to distribute?
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Live Event Beaming
Presumably you are going to use a hashtag for the tweets you want to display. If so, any twitter client that lets you track tweets with your hashtag in real time would work for you. - h On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 20:25, Juslin Guo juslin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I not sure if this is the place to ask this question. May i check does anyone know of a full-screen application/flash app/web-apps that allow me to beam on a projector/led screen live updates from twitter. I have an event where we would like to let the stadium audience twitter in. Regards Juslin
[twitter-dev] Re: Followers Count doesn't add up with the actual followers
Others have also noticed that some accounts show up multiple times in the list of followers when retrieved via the API. Not sure why that happens, but it does. - h On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:37, Tim timot...@gmail.com wrote: Where are the other 200 go ? To answer your questions, chances are that these 200 accounts have been disabled (probably for being spam accounts), but I noticed there are still counted in the number of followers. Tim
[twitter-dev] Re: Sudden error while using API
Have you updated to the latest version of the framework which has been fixed for the twitpocalypse (integer overflow of the status id values)? - h On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 05:30, econn navjot econn.nav...@gmail.com wrote: hello dear, i am making an C# application to update my twitter account using Twitterizer.Framework dll. it was working perfectly for last week, but suddenly from last two days its not working and giving below error. can anyone guide me the reason for the error and way to solve it. Error Parsing Twitter Response.Twitterizer.Framework thanks in advance.
[twitter-dev] Re: Search API to require HTTP Referrer and/or User Agent
Thanks Doug - Any additional info to help us know if we comply? My dev is out of the country on vacation and want to make sure we don¹t miss anything. On 6/16/09 11:33 AM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, The Search API will begin to require a valid HTTP Referrer, or at the very least, a meaningful and unique user agent with each request. Any request not including this information will be returned a 403 Forbidden response code by our web server. This change will be effective within the next few days, so please check your applications using the Search API and make any necessary code changes. Thanks, Doug
[twitter-dev] Re: Spinn3r Twitter Social Media Rank
I'd love to be able to pass you a UN and get back your algo results. On 6/15/09 5:42 PM, burton burtona...@gmail.com wrote: That's what we're thinking of experimenting with... perhaps an API where you can give us a handle and we can tell you if it is spam or ham. Also ranking on certain topics (tech, politics, etc) would be pretty hot. If you have any ideas we're all ears On Jun 15, 2:45 pm, Justyn Howard justyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: Well done. Considering an API so we could integrate rank data with other apps? On 6/15/09 3:43 PM, burton burtona...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys. We just pushed this today: http://spinn3r.com/rank/twitter.php as part of our Spinn3r 3.1 release: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009/06/spinn3r-31---now-with-twitter-support... al-media-ranking.html Would love feedback. If this is valuable for the community we would be willing to compute deeper rankings (on a deeper crawl) and recompute this more regularly (once every two weeks or so). Kevin
[twitter-dev] Re: Search API to require HTTP Referrer and/or User Agent
Thanks, pretty sure we do both. Will this new (or newly enforced) policy help clean up some garbage? On 6/16/09 11:56 AM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: All we ask is that you include a valid HTTP Referrer and/or a User Agent with each request which is easy to do in almost every language. Both would be helpful but we only require one at this time. We simply want to be able to identify apps and have the ability to communicate with the authors. Thanks, Doug On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Justyn Howard justyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Doug - Any additional info to help us know if we comply? My dev is out of the country on vacation and want to make sure we don¹t miss anything. On 6/16/09 11:33 AM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com http://d...@twitter.com wrote: Hi all, The Search API will begin to require a valid HTTP Referrer, or at the very least, a meaningful and unique user agent with each request. Any request not including this information will be returned a 403 Forbidden response code by our web server. This change will be effective within the next few days, so please check your applications using the Search API and make any necessary code changes. Thanks, Doug
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Developer/Founder Community on Ning - Registration Open
So you only use one social networking site? One email account? Of course because information in several places would be fragmentation right? Oh wait, you're on Friendfeed, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, StumbleUpon, etc. Conversations take many forms. We wanted to create closer relationships with other developers, so we created a place to do it. Google Groups is linear. We're not reinventing the framework there, we're sharing ideas and getting to know each other. We have the group feed specifically so people will continue to interact here for technical discussion. Totally OK with you passing, but I'm not sure why you would waste your time putting down others who are trying to connect with the community. Justyn On 6/11/09 2:21 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Of course you don't consider it fragmentation, even if that's exactly what you've just described. Can I go to a single, official, original place to get the entire conversation? Nope, you've just created a new place people need to go, a place where new knowledge will inevitably accrete and not propagate. Congratulations on adding to the noise in everyone's life. The only way this doesn't fragment the community and the knowledge and the flow of communication is if an alternative to the official list TOOK OVER official dev communications for Twitter. Otherwise, augmentation like this leads to fragmentation. Again, congratulations. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: I don't consider it fragmentation. We pump this thread into the site w/ links back to discussions and give people another layer of ways to connect and communicate with other dev's. I don't see a downside =) http://twtfnd.ning.com/ On Jun 7, 5:47 pm, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: fragmentation ... On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: We have created a private community on the Ning network for developers and founders of Twitter-related projects. You can connect and communicate with other developers, share ideas, discuss your projects, find contract work and veiw/post events. You can view and join the community here:http://twtfnd.ning.com/ All are welcome and we look forward to seeing you there!
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Developer/Founder Community on Ning - Registration Open
Yeah, we should probably shut down everything new and go back to IRC. C'mon man, I wanted to network with other interesting devs, period. If there was a place to easily do that more socially than Groups, I would have happily joined and called it a day. On 6/11/09 2:37 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Poor strawmen. And yes, I do use only one email account, thanks. Social networking sites are the epitome of fragmentation, and they don't revolve around my use of official documentation and communication, for many, many reasons -- first and foremost, they're not well suited, they're not easily searched or indexed. You've created fragmentation Suck it up and accept that. I'm not putting you or anyone or anything down, quit being so overly sensitive -- but face the facts. Whether you did it with good intentions, or you did it with the idea of making yourself more visible, you've created fragmentation. Period. Thanks again. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: So you only use one social networking site? One email account? Of course because information in several places would be fragmentation right? Oh wait, you're on Friendfeed, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, StumbleUpon, etc. Conversations take many forms. We wanted to create closer relationships with other developers, so we created a place to do it. Google Groups is linear. We're not reinventing the framework there, we're sharing ideas and getting to know each other. We have the group feed specifically so people will continue to interact here for technical discussion. Totally OK with you passing, but I'm not sure why you would waste your time putting down others who are trying to connect with the community. Justyn On 6/11/09 2:21 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Of course you don't consider it fragmentation, even if that's exactly what you've just described. Can I go to a single, official, original place to get the entire conversation? Nope, you've just created a new place people need to go, a place where new knowledge will inevitably accrete and not propagate. Congratulations on adding to the noise in everyone's life. The only way this doesn't fragment the community and the knowledge and the flow of communication is if an alternative to the official list TOOK OVER official dev communications for Twitter. Otherwise, augmentation like this leads to fragmentation. Again, congratulations. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: I don't consider it fragmentation. We pump this thread into the site w/ links back to discussions and give people another layer of ways to connect and communicate with other dev's. I don't see a downside =) http://twtfnd.ning.com/ On Jun 7, 5:47 pm, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: fragmentation ... On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: We have created a private community on the Ning network for developers and founders of Twitter-related projects. You can connect and communicate with other developers, share ideas, discuss your projects, find contract work and veiw/post events. You can view and join the community here:http://twtfnd.ning.com/ All are welcome and we look forward to seeing you there!
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Developer/Founder Community on Ning - Registration Open
Your one-upmanship amuses me. Doesn't your profession involve developing for social networks? In regards to fragmentation, I wanted a place to connect with entrepreneurs who are doing interesting things with Twitter. To talk best-practices (business), network with founders of complimentary tools, connect contractors with jobs etc. That's not really the premise of this group. In any case, please accept my apologies for muddying your stream. I didn't realize your authority on the matter. Let's move on. On 6/11/09 2:54 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: So now you're reduced to what comes across as whining, but you've stopped denying fragmentation. Well hey, that's a step in the right direction I guess. Because of course what the world needs is ANOTHER social network, or another aspect of an existing social network, to serve the developers of client apps to a social network. Hey, why not have a whole social network talking about social networks discussing development of social networks while you're at it? Nothing like niche. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, we should probably shut down everything new and go back to IRC. C'mon man, I wanted to network with other interesting devs, period. If there was a place to easily do that more socially than Groups, I would have happily joined and called it a day. On 6/11/09 2:37 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Poor strawmen. And yes, I do use only one email account, thanks. Social networking sites are the epitome of fragmentation, and they don't revolve around my use of official documentation and communication, for many, many reasons -- first and foremost, they're not well suited, they're not easily searched or indexed. You've created fragmentation Suck it up and accept that. I'm not putting you or anyone or anything down, quit being so overly sensitive -- but face the facts. Whether you did it with good intentions, or you did it with the idea of making yourself more visible, you've created fragmentation. Period. Thanks again. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: So you only use one social networking site? One email account? Of course because information in several places would be fragmentation right? Oh wait, you're on Friendfeed, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, StumbleUpon, etc. Conversations take many forms. We wanted to create closer relationships with other developers, so we created a place to do it. Google Groups is linear. We're not reinventing the framework there, we're sharing ideas and getting to know each other. We have the group feed specifically so people will continue to interact here for technical discussion. Totally OK with you passing, but I'm not sure why you would waste your time putting down others who are trying to connect with the community. Justyn On 6/11/09 2:21 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Of course you don't consider it fragmentation, even if that's exactly what you've just described. Can I go to a single, official, original place to get the entire conversation? Nope, you've just created a new place people need to go, a place where new knowledge will inevitably accrete and not propagate. Congratulations on adding to the noise in everyone's life. The only way this doesn't fragment the community and the knowledge and the flow of communication is if an alternative to the official list TOOK OVER official dev communications for Twitter. Otherwise, augmentation like this leads to fragmentation. Again, congratulations. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: I don't consider it fragmentation. We pump this thread into the site w/ links back to discussions and give people another layer of ways to connect and communicate with other dev's. I don't see a downside =) http://twtfnd.ning.com/ On Jun 7, 5:47 pm, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: fragmentation ... On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: We have created a private community on the Ning network for developers and founders of Twitter-related projects. You can connect and communicate with other developers, share ideas, discuss your projects, find contract work and veiw/post events. You can view and join the community here:http://twtfnd.ning.com/ All are welcome and we look forward to seeing you there!
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Developer/Founder Community on Ning - Registration Open
Are you drunk? Your .sig says ask permission to email, so I posted here. There is no personal gain involved and I have given way more than I have received. If you want to judge my character, as I mentioned, email me direct. You have my permission. On 6/11/09 3:13 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: And yet you keep posting on-list ... amusing, yep. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free to email me directly if you want to continue this discussion - I don't think the group cares. On 6/11/09 2:54 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: So now you're reduced to what comes across as whining, but you've stopped denying fragmentation. Well hey, that's a step in the right direction I guess. Because of course what the world needs is ANOTHER social network, or another aspect of an existing social network, to serve the developers of client apps to a social network. Hey, why not have a whole social network talking about social networks discussing development of social networks while you're at it? Nothing like niche. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, we should probably shut down everything new and go back to IRC. C'mon man, I wanted to network with other interesting devs, period. If there was a place to easily do that more socially than Groups, I would have happily joined and called it a day. On 6/11/09 2:37 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Poor strawmen. And yes, I do use only one email account, thanks. Social networking sites are the epitome of fragmentation, and they don't revolve around my use of official documentation and communication, for many, many reasons -- first and foremost, they're not well suited, they're not easily searched or indexed. You've created fragmentation Suck it up and accept that. I'm not putting you or anyone or anything down, quit being so overly sensitive -- but face the facts. Whether you did it with good intentions, or you did it with the idea of making yourself more visible, you've created fragmentation. Period. Thanks again. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Justyn Howardjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: So you only use one social networking site? One email account? Of course because information in several places would be fragmentation right? Oh wait, you're on Friendfeed, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, StumbleUpon, etc. Conversations take many forms. We wanted to create closer relationships with other developers, so we created a place to do it. Google Groups is linear. We're not reinventing the framework there, we're sharing ideas and getting to know each other. We have the group feed specifically so people will continue to interact here for technical discussion. Totally OK with you passing, but I'm not sure why you would waste your time putting down others who are trying to connect with the community. Justyn On 6/11/09 2:21 AM, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: Of course you don't consider it fragmentation, even if that's exactly what you've just described. Can I go to a single, official, original place to get the entire conversation? Nope, you've just created a new place people need to go, a place where new knowledge will inevitably accrete and not propagate. Congratulations on adding to the noise in everyone's life. The only way this doesn't fragment the community and the knowledge and the flow of communication is if an alternative to the official list TOOK OVER official dev communications for Twitter. Otherwise, augmentation like this leads to fragmentation. Again, congratulations. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: I don't consider it fragmentation. We pump this thread into the site w/ links back to discussions and give people another layer of ways to connect and communicate with other dev's. I don't see a downside =) http://twtfnd.ning.com/ On Jun 7, 5:47 pm, Andrew Badera and...@badera.us wrote: fragmentation ... On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Justynjustyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: We have created a private community on the Ning network for developers and founders of Twitter-related projects. You can connect and communicate with other developers, share ideas, discuss your projects, find contract work and veiw/post events. You can view and join the community here:http://twtfnd.ning.com/
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Developer/Founder Community on Ning - Registration Open
The Moral of this story is that I posted something I thought would be helpful, something that people might find value in. There was no self- interest involved. I took the time to create something for other people to use. But some people would rather criticize, show thier web-flaming skills and wit to make other narrow-minded people chuckle or show thier superiority. I've learned my lesson. Don't try to be helpful, especially not here. Thanks for turning something I was delighted to share into a clear message that some people will always justify their own self-importance by tearing down others. Most of you are awesome. A few of you need a hug. Andrew took offense to the idea that I was creating fragmentation, another place to go for information, that was somehow self purposed. Fragmentation? From a guy who's blog has links to 16 different websites to connect with him. Not once did I remark on your character, yet you continued to insult me and pass judgement on mine. Live and let live, sir. Do your thing and I'll do mine. This will be my last post on the topic, but I wanted to share my dissapointment that people are being discouraged from sharing. I'm a genuine person and I was genuinely trying to be helpful. Justyn P.S. - Andrew - you...complete...me Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Dossy Shiobara do...@panoptic.com wrote: On 6/11/09 4:06 PM, Bradley S. O'Hearne wrote: Hint: why make an enemy out of a complete stranger, when you could instead speak (regardless of agreement / disagreement) with courtesy and make a friend, or a business associate. Just as easy to make a friend than an enemy. Actually, it's a lot easier to make enemies than friends. Plus, enemies are known quantities - you know what the deal is. Friends, especially the fair-weather types (you know, the kind who are your friend when things go their way, but don't know you the minute you need them) aren't worth having in the first place. People who need something from others should be a little more gracious and accomodating of the people they're seeking favor from, not whine when they don't get their way or are mistreated. That's not the short path to getting what they want, anyway. Begging and bribery are both well-tested and proven methods for soliciting help from others. I highly recommend exhausting those two options, first. :-) -- Dossy Shiobara | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Application Usage Guidelines, Please Read
Thank you for the response Doug. I intended the post to be more curious than implicative though it may have sounded more of the latter. In any case, we¹ve all grown to love the openness of the platform, and the platform itself as such a great opportunity to build. I just got nervous when I started thinking about the work we¹ve put in. Thanks for being communicative about this! On 6/9/09 9:10 PM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: Obviously I can't address the impact since we don't have a document to deliver. Let me be clear, we are not thinking of taking functionality from the offering, but we are discussing how open we want to be moving forward. Most of the talks are around what we want to offer through the Streaming API and to whom should those privileges be extended. We are not concentrating our efforts on whom can we restrict and why? Remember we built this company on being open and to that we are committed, especially within the API team. We are very conscious that you developers are a little weary of our plans but rest assured we want to augment the ecosystem and its abilities rather than contract our offering. Thanks, Doug On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Justyn Howard justyn.how...@gmail.com wrote: What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work we¹ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be protected? It¹s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to reserve functionality that the developer network has built-on and enhanced in favor of internalizing as business assets. As there has been no TOS in place other than the general Twitter TOS, many of us have spent countless hours and $$ trying to build businesses around Twitter. Not trying to be an alarmist, just curious what this will ultimately mean for us? Justyn On 6/9/09 8:51 PM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com http://d...@twitter.com wrote: The API TOS is currently in development. It is taking longer than hoped as we are still exploring what we want to give to developers and what we want to protect as business assets. For now, make sure that you understand the general TOS we have in place. We do work with developers if they are willing to answer our attempts to reach out before shutting them off due to TOS violations. We also try to understand what developers are doing and how they may be heading against the grain before issuing whitelisting. Most developers are willing to work with us which is great and works out for everyone. Thanks, Doug On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Jesse Stay jesses...@gmail.com http://jesses...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, where is the developer API TOS? I think that's part of the problem - none of us are being required to enter into an agreement before developing, therefore we have no idea what we can and can't do with it. I also don't think most of us even know where any such TOS is, if there is one. I agree that the OAuth application process should make this a bit eas ier to manage, and help developers know more about what they are getting into before starting their applications. Personally, I want to make sure I'm following the rules of the API. I'd also prefer to know what I'm agreeing to before starting a busine ss on top of it. I feel for the developers of the 2 mentioned apps because, *if* they are violating any TOS, they probably had no idea they were doing so before spending so much time developing it. (even if I disagree with the premise of those apps) @Jesse On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com http://d...@twitter.com wrote: Brant, Thank you for your concern. This is something that bothers us as well. Moving applications exclusively to OAuth-based authentication will certainly help in restricting applications that abuse the service. If you find a service that you think is violating our TOS, please email a...@twitter.com http://a...@twitter.com or send a message to @twitterapi and we can take a look. As you mentioned, Del is great but she is but one person. We do have an abuse team forming to help quickly identify which services are violating our TOS. All in all we have a lot of work to do so please do help where you can. Cheers, Doug On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Brant btedes...@gmail.com http://btedes...@gmail.com wrote: This message will hopefully get back to the people who run Twitter API development and spam prevention. I noticed there are quite a few twitter applications that are developed to abuse the service and violate their TOS. They do not hide what their purpose is, yet these applications remain active. I contacted twitter.com/delbius http://twitter.com/delbius http://twitter.com/delbius who heads Twitter Spam prevention and she said that they do revoke API access to abusive applications. But I don't think they are taking an aggressive stance against them. Abusive
[twitter-dev] Re: Greetings all, New Dev (.net) Here
Start with the API/Wiki stuff. There's an API Status value that gives you the calls/100. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:31 PM, KrushRadio - Doc drega...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, thougth i'd pop my head in and say hey. My name is Dan Regalia, and I'm a .net Dev. I'm working on a twitter engine, and a client (names have not been announced yet). I'm really excited about the entire Twitter concept. I have been watching the streams, and I've seen alot of talk about Messaging limits, DM Limits, Follow Limits, etc. While my engine strictly follows and tracks existing streams, and the client is really a souped up version of twirhl in .net form.. Where can i actually find the actual limits at. Are there read limits? I saw on some of the applications, that people are getting counts from somewhere, like they have 5/100 left, etc. Are there dynamics to this, is it tracked in the account stream xml, or something like that? I have about 2 weeks of reading up to do here on the group dev site, and then dig thru the api/wiki stuff... ~Dan 'Doc' Regalia
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Application Usage Guidelines, Please Read
I think it depends on what measures the site is taking to promote responsible use of the applications. Both applications could be used for good, or bad. I can think of one fairly popular site that is all but endorses spammy behavior and charges users for access to these spammy tools. I don¹t want to point fingers, but my point is, there are probably more abusive apps out there than these two, and it all comes down to how responsibly the sites are guiding users, and if they have any rules in place to get rid of those who abuse it. On 6/9/09 6:28 PM, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: In briefly checking out Mutuality and Twollo I'm not sure what about them is abusive. Mutuality says it lets you rapidly modify who you are following to match who is following you and Twollo auto follows accounts it thinks you might be interested in. Those are both useful tools and if used as intended are just that. I can see Twitter banning an individual user for using the services abusively but not the services themselves. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 16:43, Brant btedes...@gmail.com wrote: This message will hopefully get back to the people who run Twitter API development and spam prevention. I noticed there are quite a few twitter applications that are developed to abuse the service and violate their TOS. They do not hide what their purpose is, yet these applications remain active. I contacted twitter.com/delbius http://twitter.com/delbius who heads Twitter Spam prevention and she said that they do revoke API access to abusive applications. But I don't think they are taking an aggressive stance against them. Abusive Applications: http://www.huitter.com/mutuality/ http://www.twollo.com/ The combination of these two applications is for outright abuse of the service. They have been around for several months and are known applications to abuse the service with. To make matters worse, Twitter suspends accounts of the people who use these applications rather than targeting the root of the problem, the applications themselves. (Sound counterproductive? RIAA uses a similar policy by going after end users.) I propose that applications need to be more closely scrutinized and can even be flagged as abusive by users. Instead of creating algorithms that detect abnormal user behavior, why not detect abnormal application behavior. Taking a stronger stance against gray area applications could reduce server load on Twitter (giving real applications faster response time) and reduce manpower to deal with spam prevention. I strongly encourage anyone who develops Twitter applications to send this link around. Thanks for reading, Brant twitter.com/BrantTedeschi http://twitter.com/BrantTedeschi
[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Application Usage Guidelines, Please Read
What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work we¹ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be protected? It¹s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to reserve functionality that the developer network has built-on and enhanced in favor of internalizing as business assets. As there has been no TOS in place other than the general Twitter TOS, many of us have spent countless hours and $$ trying to build businesses around Twitter. Not trying to be an alarmist, just curious what this will ultimately mean for us? Justyn On 6/9/09 8:51 PM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: The API TOS is currently in development. It is taking longer than hoped as we are still exploring what we want to give to developers and what we want to protect as business assets. For now, make sure that you understand the general TOS we have in place. We do work with developers if they are willing to answer our attempts to reach out before shutting them off due to TOS violations. We also try to understand what developers are doing and how they may be heading against the grain before issuing whitelisting. Most developers are willing to work with us which is great and works out for everyone. Thanks, Doug On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Jesse Stay jesses...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, where is the developer API TOS? I think that's part of the problem - none of us are being required to enter into an agreement before developing, therefore we have no idea what we can and can't do with it. I also don't think most of us even know where any such TOS is, if there is one. I agree that the OAuth application process should make this a bit easie r to manage, and help developers know more about what they are getting into before starting their applications. Personally, I want to make sure I'm following the rules of the API. I'd also prefer to know what I'm agreeing to before starting a business on top of it. I feel for the developers of the 2 mentioned apps because, *if* they are violating any TOS, they probably had no idea they were doing so before spending so much time developing it. (even if I disagree with the premise of those apps) @Jesse On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: Brant, Thank you for your concern. This is something that bothers us as well. Moving applications exclusively to OAuth-based authentication will certainly help in restricting applications that abuse the service. If you find a service that you think is violating our TOS, please email a...@twitter.com or send a message to @twitterapi and we can take a look. As you mentioned, Del is great but she is but one person. We do have an abuse team forming to help quickly identify which services are violating our TOS. All in all we have a lot of work to do so please do help where you can. Cheers, Doug On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Brant btedes...@gmail.com wrote: This message will hopefully get back to the people who run Twitter API development and spam prevention. I noticed there are quite a few twitter applications that are developed to abuse the service and violate their TOS. They do not hide what their purpose is, yet these applications remain active. I contacted twitter.com/delbius http://twitter.com/delbius who heads Twitter Spam prevention and she said that they do revoke API access to abusive applications. But I don't think they are taking an aggressive stance against them. Abusive Applications: http://www.huitter.com/mutuality/ http://www.twollo.com/ The combination of these two applications is for outright abuse of the service. They have been around for several months and are known applications to abuse the service with. To make matters worse, Twitter suspends accounts of the people who use these applications rather than targeting the root of the problem, the applications themselves. (Sound counterproductive? RIAA uses a similar policy by going after end users.) I propose that applications need to be more closely scrutinized and can even be flagged as abusive by users. Instead of creating algorithms that detect abnormal user behavior, why not detect abnormal application behavior. Taking a stronger stance against gray area applications could reduce server load on Twitter (giving real applications faster response time) and reduce manpower to deal with spam prevention. I strongly encourage anyone who develops Twitter applications to send this link around. Thanks for reading, Brant twitter.com/BrantTedeschi http://twitter.com/BrantTedeschi
[twitter-dev] Re: Search problems for from:username searches
Doug, I've been having a problem seeing my own tweets in search for quite a few months, and I know my tweets were not showing up in a hashtag search at a conference I was at a few weeks ago (which made it really hard to participate in the conference's twitter conversation!). I did file a help ticket a while back and was basically put off by the response from support (essentially it said too bad, so sad) and they closed the ticket on me. I have not had the time nor patience to follow up on it, though, as I know that my tweets are getting out since people do respond to them. Would be nice if my tweets showed in searches, though. - h On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 08:20, Doug Williams d...@twitter.com wrote: Please file a help ticket at http://help.twitter.com. @thecurrents tweets almost always have links that point back to the same source. This is normally indicative of spam which may explain why the account is no longer in search. The folks in support can help you take care issues like these. Thanks, Doug On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Barry Hess bjh...@gmail.com wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/f3859409fb05127c -- Barry Hess http://bjhess.com http://iridesco.com On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, bjhess bjh...@gmail.com wrote: We have had some users complain about not being able to find themselves on http://followcost.com. I've dug into the code and it appears the failure is happening on queries to the search API of the form from:username. A couple example queries that return zero results: http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from%3A1918 http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from%3Athecurrent Yet clearly these users are active, and legitimate, Twitter users: http://twitter.com/1918 http://twitter.com/thecurrent But sadly, is it that these users are not being indexed at all in the search DB? I get zero results doing a simple from:username search for the same users: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3A1918 http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Athecurrent These are just a couple examples. Is it common for legitimate, upstanding Twitter users to be unindexed in the search DB? -- Barry Hess http://followcost.com http://bjhess.com
[twitter-dev] Re: Didn't someone do a Show all followers and last tweet?
Have you checked the Twitter Fan Wiki list of apps http://twitter.pbwiki.com/Apps - h On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 09:51, TjL luo...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trying without success to find a Twitter 3rd party app that I thought I saw awhile ago: Put in your username and it shows all your followers on one page with their icon and their latest update. Anyone know what it's called? I need to start bookmarking these Twitter services. TjL
