Re: [U2] HP PA-RISC to Itanium
On 27/04/11 01:59, Norman, David (Health) wrote: We're thinking about moving from HP-UX on PA-RISC to HP-UX on Itanium (UniVerse). I'm seeing conflicting advice as to whether there's an Endian issue or not. Will we need to run fnuxi ? (and where's the documentation for fnuxi ?) or are there better ways of converting files accounts if necessary ? Um. The reason you're seeing conflicting advice is that the Itanium is all things to all men, so endianness is a runtime configuration! Apparently UX is big-endian on Itanium (like on PA-RISC) while linux is little-endian (like on Intel). You'll need to check with HP which endianness it is. The easiest way to deal with it is either to use uvbackup/uvrestore, in which case you don't care, or copy a test account over and see whether it works or blows up! It does however, make things easier if you can just do a copy (says he who happily copied accounts between SCO, linux and NT all on x86 :-) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Have people who criticised U2 interfaces actually worked with other database applications. Remember the joke What hardware and operating system doe Oracle best run on, a projector and powerpoint. Too much of the competitors' products are gloss and when it comes to writing applications they become a chain and ball. When I look at competitor applications they have pretty interfaces but lack substance. I beat competitors from major companies because I provide functionality at a price that leaves the others for dead. Clients are starting to question the gloss and are looking for substance. As I have said in previous emails, it is not about the technology, it is about how it is sold. We have an Australian U2 GL package that kicked SAP out of a site, it is not impossible. For too long U2 has sold it self, however due to competition, we need to apply more money to marketing and sales people. Marketing budgets of some of the competitors are well over 20%-40% of revenue, few U2 application vendors spend anywhere near that much. Marketing statistics identified that optimists outsold pessimists. If you think U2 is not up to scratch with the competitor, then how are you going to convince the customer. Rethink how you look at U2 compared to other databases and it will change the discussions with senior management. Senior management are on bonuses and they do not get paid for buying brands they get paid for delivering results, you need to demonstrate how U2 improves their bonuses and you are in. Of course there is room for improvement in U2 products and Rocket is working on them, but uniobjects is still one of the most efficient and effective APIs that I have worked with and you can easily add gloss to tired applications with a range of client tools including .Net, java, etc. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Make them awesome. flame The problem is not the maturity of the interfaces, but the maturity of the developer community. Too many Pick programmers see the latest technology as here today, gone tomorrow so they are not inspired to learn it, much less create feature-rich software that implements it. That's not to say that some of the more vocal developers on this list do not use modern technologies, but I think the critical mass still thinks green screen is faster = better software. Software development is about making the USER awesome at what they do. There are a lot ways to do that, but ignoring newer technologies because they may be replaced tomorrow is just retarded. You don't create web apps because you have no clue how to write HTML, CSS, and javascript. You don't create GUI apps because haven't spent the time to learn Visual Whatever. Stop treating every problem like a nail because you only have a hammer in your toolbox. /flame Make them (the users) awesome, and we won't have to worry about leaving U2, or its marketing, or whether the VP's on the golf course are talking about SAP. With awesome users, the VP's will be talking about how they can extend their U2 applications. rex ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
If you start running into performance issues (which with CGI and any type of volume is quite possible), and a re-write is out of the question, look into mod_perl. It can help a lot! The O'Reilly mod_perl book is now under Creative Commons license, so you don't even have to buy it anymore... http://modperlbook.org/ From the preface: mod_perl is an Apache module that builds the power of the Perl programming language directly into the Apache web server. With mod_perl, CGI scripts run as much as 50 times faster, and you can integrate databases with the server, write Apache modules in Perl, embed Perl code directly into Apache configuration files, and even use Perl in server-side includes. With mod_perl, Apache is not only a web server, it is a complete programming platform. Robert Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com 4/26/2011 3:29 PM We have been using web services recently to allow UV to play nice with a couple of other servers. Using XML as the output format. I have it setup to accept either XML input or parameters (POST) or parameters for input (GET). I currently use a perl .cgi as my gateway/interface between APACHE and UV What's nice is no one really knows what's behind the curtain, just that it works. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Hester Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... We just unveiled a new web 2.0 site last month that we're all very proud of around here. It makes extensive use of AJAX, jQuery, a lot of fancy CSS, and UniVerse on the back end. Maybe we could have done something like this using a more typical web backend database like mySQL, but I think it would have been much more difficult. Because UV is also the core of all our backend operations, we're able to do things like display ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
thanks. I'll look into it. Right now, traffic is minimal so it's not a problem. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:00 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... If you start running into performance issues (which with CGI and any type of volume is quite possible), and a re-write is out of the question, look into mod_perl. It can help a lot! The O'Reilly mod_perl book is now under Creative Commons license, so you don't even have to buy it anymore... http://modperlbook.org/ From the preface: ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
However, a mature interface can not reasonably be achieved if it is a canned package with vendor support that is still old style. Even the GUI interface with SB leaves things to be desired. We are locked into whatever our vendor supports - writing our oun interface for a large ERP system will simply never happen (thus the vendor is cutting their throat as well as ours), and I see no interest on their end to make this happen. -- Sent using BlackBerry - Original Message - From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue Apr 26 16:38:50 2011 Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Kevin The only thing that I see holding us back is the maturity of our connectivity options It's not often I disagree with you, but here I must.. We don't lack mature interfaces. We have UO.Net; UOJ; web services - now both XML and JSON; WebDE - not to mention third party alternatives. Without even mentioning OleDb, ODBC, JDBC, ADO.Net .. I've been programming Windows since before Microsoft bought VB, most of my work is in Windows or Web and I earn my crust on both U2 and SQL Server. In my limited time I've used VB, Delphi, C#, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET and even java - urgh - all with U2. With that in mind I have to say that UniObjects is the best API I have ever worked with, bar none. It offers a clean, fast interface that other models just can't compete with and for any business logic the U2 subroutine is king. Give me U2 basic and UO or WebDE over the likes of ADO.NET and SQL any day, however you dress it up. There is no reason other than lack of ambition for U2 applications to look old. The technology is there, and has been there for a decade. Let's stop talking it down. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
While we are on that subject - i have been using jquery and jquery ui for a while now but recently used sencha touch for a mobile web app, they have a fantastic javascript ui library as well - http://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/examples/ -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Hester Sent: 27 April 2011 03:03 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Thanks, Kevin! Yes, we were repeatedly amazed by jQuery during the development process. We found a way to handle pretty much every cool gui function the design dept. threw at us. The other free tool I was really impressed with was DWR (Direct Web Remoting) for AJAX. You just include their library in your code, set up an XML config file, and then start calling servlet methods from your pages as if they were local javascript functions. I highly recommend it for anyone looking to implement AJAX functionality for the 1st time: http://directwebremoting.org/dwr/index.html -John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... John, just spent a couple minutes on the site. Nice job! Isn't jQuery just amazing? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3598 - Release Date: 04/26/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
I find it interesting that Karl's original post (just recently quoted) was from May 2010: On Behalf Of Karl Pearson Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:29 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 I ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
In a message dated 4/27/2011 9:59:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com writes: However, a mature interface can not reasonably be achieved if it is a canned package with vendor support that is still old style. Even the GUI interface with SB leaves things to be desired. We are locked into whatever our vendor supports - writing our oun interface for a large ERP system will simply never happen (thus the vendor is cutting their throat as well as ours), and I see no interest on their end to make this happen. If the canned package does everything your *business* needs to be successful, then why would anyone want to upset that business requirement, just to make it look pretty ? See how much money you can spend on a pretty interface that doesn't move your bottom line into the black, but rather into the red ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
This would be a vendor decision to keep their clients (management). Otherwise, as we have all seen, management may make a call to go to something with a more familiar interface. Thus, the vendor looses a client. I was not suggesting WE rewrite this. Has anyone ever used the conversion tool to convert an SB application to HTML? I have heard of it, but have never heard of anyone actually doing it. John -- Sent using BlackBerry - Original Message - From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed Apr 27 13:36:04 2011 Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... In a message dated 4/27/2011 9:59:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com writes: However, a mature interface can not reasonably be achieved if it is a canned package with vendor support that is still old style. Even the GUI interface with SB leaves things to be desired. We are locked into whatever our vendor supports - writing our oun interface for a large ERP system will simply never happen (thus the vendor is cutting their throat as well as ours), and I see no interest on their end to make this happen. If the canned package does everything your *business* needs to be successful, then why would anyone want to upset that business requirement, just to make it look pretty ? See how much money you can spend on a pretty interface that doesn't move your bottom line into the black, but rather into the red ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no other software* serving up secured web pages. To have the entire www available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists. Hey, we went to the MOON with a pocket calculator as the main cpu, ya? I'm just saying, compared to that So, like, pick ran on pick o/s written in assembly. But now U2 runs on a C+ pick emulator. So use the power of that base language to make the connections, and just stick in new extensions for U2. And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I know it's *not* asking much. ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:11 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... I'm with Symeon, if this were Facebook I'd like George Land's comment. But that brings me to my point: We need to be the ones creating the next Facebook or whatever that is. Until our applications fully embrace web technology as a primary infrastructure instead of a bolt-on to green screen applications, we'll always be thought of as old school. The only thing that I see holding us back is the maturity of our connectivity options, and fortunately, there is some attention being given to that issue. The question that remains is whether the lot of us can break out of a lifetime of green-screen mentality to embrace and thrive in this brave new world? And as to dot-net... why complicate the hell out of a good thing like the web? :) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Allen, I believe it's possible but for one significant stumbling block: threads. And given that we're not likely to get native thread support in U2, I think closely integrating U2 into something like Apache (which does support threading) could be a Very Good Thing. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Increasingly a mature interface does cost money. There are several issues: 1. Training, using our SB based GUI client interface people need to be trained to do a lookup with F3, to use tab and enter in particular ways and so on. With our web interface people can, in the main, just use it with very little training. 2. Breadth of use - it follows on from 1, a lot more people within our customers use our software now it is web based. Two reasons for that, firstly they can, instead of buying a database license for each user they buy connection pooled licenses so there is potential to support a larger user base for the money. Even without that you get a larger user base because the software is easier to use, people get information themselves rather than asking others to get it for them. 3. Speed of use - we do autocomplete drop downs a lot, people can start typing and get a matching values, much quicker (if designed properly) than having to know or find the value to enter. Essentially the point here is that there are a lot more UI options you can use. 4. Greater functionality - look at a person's record, click to view their address on a map, click to get the directions to that place. 5. Flexibility of use - access the same software using an iPad over 3G as you use in the office from your PC. Run it on a Mac, a PC, a phone, a tablet, anything that runs a browser. The issues are real, it's not just about the application looking pretty it's about being able to do a whole range of stuff and improve the effectiveness of a range of users and so save or make the customer money. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor On 27/04/2011 18:36, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/27/2011 9:59:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com writes: However, a mature interface can not reasonably be achieved if it is a canned package with vendor support that is still old style. Even the GUI interface with SB leaves things to be desired. We are locked into whatever our vendor supports - writing our oun interface for a large ERP system will simply never happen (thus the vendor is cutting their throat as well as ours), and I see no interest on their end to make this happen. If the canned package does everything your *business* needs to be successful, then why would anyone want to upset that business requirement, just to make it look pretty ? See how much money you can spend on a pretty interface that doesn't move your bottom line into the black, but rather into the red ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Well, SB/XA takes your SB application so that it can run in a browser. That's not converting it to html, it's still working like a client application but it is in a browser and accessible from anywhere. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor On 27/04/2011 18:45, Israel, John R. johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com wrote: This would be a vendor decision to keep their clients (management). Otherwise, as we have all seen, management may make a call to go to something with a more familiar interface. Thus, the vendor looses a client. I was not suggesting WE rewrite this. Has anyone ever used the conversion tool to convert an SB application to HTML? I have heard of it, but have never heard of anyone actually doing it. John -- Sent using BlackBerry - Original Message - From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed Apr 27 13:36:04 2011 Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... In a message dated 4/27/2011 9:59:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com writes: However, a mature interface can not reasonably be achieved if it is a canned package with vendor support that is still old style. Even the GUI interface with SB leaves things to be desired. We are locked into whatever our vendor supports - writing our oun interface for a large ERP system will simply never happen (thus the vendor is cutting their throat as well as ours), and I see no interest on their end to make this happen. If the canned package does everything your *business* needs to be successful, then why would anyone want to upset that business requirement, just to make it look pretty ? See how much money you can spend on a pretty interface that doesn't move your bottom line into the black, but rather into the red ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwood aelw...@socal.rr.com wrote: I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no other software* serving up secured web pages. To have the entire www available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists. Other db's do not do this. mysql, db2, mssql, etc all have another product involved to serve their data to the web. And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I don't understand this. How many os's do you have installed? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwoodaelw...@socal.rr.com wrote: I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no other software* serving up secured web pages. To have the entire www available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists. Other db's do not do this. mysql, db2, mssql, etc all have another product involved to serve their data to the web. Many older db's do not. However, some newer ones (Cache') have figured out that what Allen is asking for is expected in this day of web 2.0 - so why not build this functionality in? -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Manager of ERP Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 ...we must choose between what is right and what is easy... Dumbledore ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Interviewing late last year I got a series of applications from unemployed long term mv programmers. Several of them had been contracting for years, being paid a lot of money (in some case twice what we were offering) to work on green screen applications in basic. They lacked what I would call simple IT skills, one said that he had been teaching himself new skills by networking together two PCs at home, which he had found 'challenging'. Now I'm not saying that all long term mv programmers are like that, but quite a number are and they will struggle. We do a lot of our work in java and html and increasingly even our database people need to be web savvy. Speaking as a 28 year mv veteran myself, I know how hard it is to adapt to this new world but equally I recognise the need. Increasingly we are finding it easier to recruit web and java skilled people and teach them what they need to know about U2, much quicker and cheaper than taking veterans who expect their experience to mean they are paid a lot of money and who struggle to understand what we are talking about when we say XML, REST, http GET POST etc. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor On 27/04/2011 15:33, Rex Gozar rgo...@gmail.com wrote: Make them awesome. flame The problem is not the maturity of the interfaces, but the maturity of the developer community. Too many Pick programmers see the latest technology as here today, gone tomorrow so they are not inspired to learn it, much less create feature-rich software that implements it. That's not to say that some of the more vocal developers on this list do not use modern technologies, but I think the critical mass still thinks green screen is faster = better software. Software development is about making the USER awesome at what they do. There are a lot ways to do that, but ignoring newer technologies because they may be replaced tomorrow is just retarded. You don't create web apps because you have no clue how to write HTML, CSS, and javascript. You don't create GUI apps because haven't spent the time to learn Visual Whatever. Stop treating every problem like a nail because you only have a hammer in your toolbox. /flame Make them (the users) awesome, and we won't have to worry about leaving U2, or its marketing, or whether the VP's on the golf course are talking about SAP. With awesome users, the VP's will be talking about how they can extend their U2 applications. rex ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jeffrey Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwoodaelw...@socal.rr.com wrote: I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no other software* serving up secured web pages. To have the entire www available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists. Other db's do not do this. mysql, db2, mssql, etc all have another product involved to serve their data to the web. Many older db's do not. However, some newer ones (Cache') have figured out that what Allen is asking for is expected in this day of web 2.0 - so why not build this functionality in? For the same reason I do not buy AllInOne pc's or DVD-TV combos. I prefer a modular approach where you have some choices in the technology being used. If Rocket came back and said, The new interface is only in Erlang how many would cheer? Not many. Granted Erlang is good, and rock solid, and powers some very good software applications. DB vendors have very little reason to be in web2.0. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [UV] Marking New Index as Built
I have a need in UniVerse to add a new index on a large file which has existing indexes. I don't have a time window in the coming days in which to build the index but need to use the index for new records which will be added to the file after the index has been created. Is there a way to force UniVerse to think that the index has been built so that it can be used for newer records allowing me to defer the build to a later date? Thanks. Perry Taylor Zirmed, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Imagine you have a really cool product written in Unidata. Would it not be equally cool to be able to sell it to someone running Universe and the smart_O_S (Rocket sos?) would understand it's a Unidata program and execute that p-code interpreter instead of the Universe one? No porting involved... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I don't understand this. How many os's do you have installed? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Or we could just get rid of the vastly inferior Unidata product and go forward with the original incarnation of Prime Information on Unix, Universe. Its a joke. Calm down. I do however think the fact that there are still 2 products is unbelievable considering they have now been owned by one entity (at a time) since 1997. Allen E. Elwood wrote: Imagine you have a really cool product written in Unidata. Would it not be equally cool to be able to sell it to someone running Universe and the smart_O_S (Rocket sos?) would understand it's a Unidata program and execute that p-code interpreter instead of the Universe one? No porting involved... -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Would that be UniUniVerse? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:28 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Imagine you have a really cool product written in Unidata. Would it not be equally cool to be able to sell it to someone running Universe and the smart_O_S (Rocket sos?) would understand it's a Unidata program and execute that p-code interpreter instead of the Universe one? No porting involved... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I don't understand this. How many os's do you have installed? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:28 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Imagine you have a really cool product written in Unidata. Would it not be equally cool to be able to sell it to someone running Universe and the smart_O_S (Rocket sos?) would understand it's a Unidata program and execute that p-code interpreter instead of the Universe one? No porting involved... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I don't understand this. How many os's do you have installed? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxay
It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:28 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Imagine you have a really cool product written in Unidata. Would it not be equally cool to be able to sell it to someone running Universe and the smart_O_S (Rocket sos?) would understand it's a Unidata program and execute that p-code interpreter instead of the Universe one? No porting involved... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I don't understand this. How many os's do you have installed? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Marking New Index as Built
I think I have found an unsupported way to doing this. It appears there is a flag in the INDEX.MAP file that controls this and flipping it does the trick. I'm hoping there is an official way to do this so I don't have any surprises when I muck with the internals. Any ideas? Thanks. Perry -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Perry Taylor Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:24 PM To: U2-Users List Subject: [U2] [UV] Marking New Index as Built I have a need in UniVerse to add a new index on a large file which has existing indexes. I don't have a time window in the coming days in which to build the index but need to use the index for new records which will be added to the file after the index has been created. Is there a way to force UniVerse to think that the index has been built so that it can be used for newer records allowing me to defer the build to a later date? Thanks. Perry Taylor Zirmed, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxay
One universe contains billions of galaxies. What you are looking for is the multiverse. On 27/04/2011 21:31, Garry Smith wrote: It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Reasons not to say goodbye.
15 years ago I had a web server written mostly in universe running on unix. A small piece of C code ran as a demon on port 80, set up some environment variables, and forked a process that executed uv. The uv process served the httpd request using mostly basic. I had some GCI code linked into uv to handle some things that couldn't be done in basic. For https I used openSSL (it wasn't called that yet I don't think)--the only significant piece that was really outside of universe. It wasn't super-fast--the uv process didn't start quickly, and it was bogged down some by lack of multithreading, but it worked and we did a lot with it. The technology was there then, and there's more there now. On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Allen E. Elwood wrote: I'd love to see a U2 server, connected directly to the internet, with *no other software* serving up secured web pages. To have the entire www available with new U2 commands added by Rocket's Scientists. Hey, we went to the MOON with a pocket calculator as the main cpu, ya? I'm just saying, compared to that So, like, pick ran on pick o/s written in assembly. But now U2 runs on a C+ pick emulator. So use the power of that base language to make the connections, and just stick in new extensions for U2. And, while I'm at it, why can't we run Universe and Unidata programs with only one installed o/s? I know it's *not* asking much. ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:11 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... I'm with Symeon, if this were Facebook I'd like George Land's comment. But that brings me to my point: We need to be the ones creating the next Facebook or whatever that is. Until our applications fully embrace web technology as a primary infrastructure instead of a bolt-on to green screen applications, we'll always be thought of as old school. The only thing that I see holding us back is the maturity of our connectivity options, and fortunately, there is some attention being given to that issue. The question that remains is whether the lot of us can break out of a lifetime of green-screen mentality to embrace and thrive in this brave new world? And as to dot-net... why complicate the hell out of a good thing like the web? :) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxay
sorry, there's already a multiVerse. Look at the logo page in International Spectrum Magazine. It came from the people who brought us pcVerse. I used pcVerse (a sample version of it came in the box with OS/2 Warp 4) but I think multiVerse may have been just vapor. On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: One universe contains billions of galaxies. What you are looking for is the multiverse. On 27/04/2011 21:31, Garry Smith wrote: It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxy
Hey, and don't forget multiple dimensions. Lets just get it over with and call it Quantum U2! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:45 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Say Galaxay One universe contains billions of galaxies. What you are looking for is the multiverse. On 27/04/2011 21:31, Garry Smith wrote: It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxay
UniDataVerse? -- Sent using BlackBerry - Original Message - From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed Apr 27 16:44:37 2011 Subject: Re: [U2] Say Galaxay One universe contains billions of galaxies. What you are looking for is the multiverse. On 27/04/2011 21:31, Garry Smith wrote: It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Say Galaxay
On the family tree chart (http://tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf) I show pcVerse from Profile. When researching it, I recalling hearing mention of multiVerse but could find no one who was aware of any users of such a product. It does show up on pages like this http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Liberty+Integration+Software,+Inc.+Appoints+WordMark+As+Sales+Agent-a019746685 I suspect it died prior to any production deployment, but perhaps it was a subsequent release of pcVerse. Maybe I knew this once, but no longer recall, so if anyone knows, I'm curious. Were there any multiVerse production users? Was Profile the name of the company that wrote multiVerse? --dawn On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Ed Clark u...@edclark.net wrote: sorry, there's already a multiVerse. Look at the logo page in International Spectrum Magazine. It came from the people who brought us pcVerse. I used pcVerse (a sample version of it came in the box with OS/2 Warp 4) but I think multiVerse may have been just vapor. On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: One universe contains billions of galaxies. What you are looking for is the multiverse. On 27/04/2011 21:31, Garry Smith wrote: It would be called Galaxy - multiple universes. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:28 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Would that be UniUniVerse? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Reasons not to say goodbye.
Hi Ed: You are focusing to much on the technical side. Users really don't care how we programmers do what we do. Presentation is everything. The ability to change colors or skins on your web site. For example, just look at the Firefox 4 or the new Dell Laptop with interchangeable tops. Another example is Android OS for phones went from market share zero to over 30% today. Android OS did that by form and function just as Apple iPhone has in the last 4 years. We have had a portal for 8 years now. We used open source scriptaculous, but it was not attractive. We use a different tool that caught our users eyes. See our home page at www.u2logic.com. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
But you're ignoring the issue that if management goes to a more familiar interface, their business goes bankrupt because it the familiar interface doesn't actually help them run their business and in fact prevents them from running their business. The vendor who wins is the one who impacts the bottom line, not the one who ignores it. That has little to do with the interface type. In a message dated 4/27/2011 10:45:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com writes: This would be a vendor decision to keep their clients (management). Otherwise, as we have all seen, management may make a call to go to something with a more familiar interface. Thus, the vendor looses a client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...
Cobol still exists also. Oh you're on Unidata... well we're discontinuing that product in 2002. In a message dated 4/27/2011 12:40:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jscha...@gmail.com writes: I do however think the fact that there are still 2 products is unbelievable considering they have now been owned by one entity (at a time) since 1997. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] html 2 xls
Excel will open up html files that contain tables. To make it easy to open, you can change the file extension from .htm or .html to .xls -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/html-2-xls-tp31473308p31493420.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
