Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
The end of the world is nigh as well -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 11 July 2011 22:56 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse On 08/07/11 22:53, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! Are you sure :-) (MS isn;t struggling, that is ...) They've had several very high profile reverses lately. The obvious example to me is the London Stock Exchange, where their system failed publicly and dramatically, and has been replaced by a new system that is both faster and cheaper. I can't name any more examples off the top of my head, but I know there have been a fair few. I'm seeing a bunch of reports that their behaviour is typical for a company spiralling into Chapter 11 - some estimates are as close as 2012! They're up against serious competition from Apple and Linux now - for the first time in many years they're actually having to compete, and compete hard. And although they look profitable, they have long had a reputation for massaging the figures. Except now it looks like the figures are coming home to roost. And their big problem is the mismatch between where the expenses are incurred and the income is made. From what I can tell, the American operation is running at a loss, but overseas operations are profitable. The problem is that overseas operations are in tax havens, so while it looks like they're making more than they're spending, the money is not in the right place. And as soon as they repatriate the money, they will incur tax liabilities that will drive them into the red. In other words - America is not profitable. Bankruptcy is inevitable if they don't repatriate profits. But if they do repatriate profits, Uncle Sam will want his cut, which they can't afford, so bankruptcy is inevitable... If you want to trust Microsoft and rely on them, fine. But what's the saying? trust, but verify? What will you do if MS's activation servers go down, and Windows et al stops working? Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3758 - Release Date: 07/11/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
On 08/07/11 22:53, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! Are you sure :-) (MS isn;t struggling, that is ...) They've had several very high profile reverses lately. The obvious example to me is the London Stock Exchange, where their system failed publicly and dramatically, and has been replaced by a new system that is both faster and cheaper. I can't name any more examples off the top of my head, but I know there have been a fair few. I'm seeing a bunch of reports that their behaviour is typical for a company spiralling into Chapter 11 - some estimates are as close as 2012! They're up against serious competition from Apple and Linux now - for the first time in many years they're actually having to compete, and compete hard. And although they look profitable, they have long had a reputation for massaging the figures. Except now it looks like the figures are coming home to roost. And their big problem is the mismatch between where the expenses are incurred and the income is made. From what I can tell, the American operation is running at a loss, but overseas operations are profitable. The problem is that overseas operations are in tax havens, so while it looks like they're making more than they're spending, the money is not in the right place. And as soon as they repatriate the money, they will incur tax liabilities that will drive them into the red. In other words - America is not profitable. Bankruptcy is inevitable if they don't repatriate profits. But if they do repatriate profits, Uncle Sam will want his cut, which they can't afford, so bankruptcy is inevitable... If you want to trust Microsoft and rely on them, fine. But what's the saying? trust, but verify? What will you do if MS's activation servers go down, and Windows et al stops working? Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Probably not. I haven't looked at our contracts and I've only had a quick scan of ours with Rocket so I'm not sure of the definition of application. If you wrote a report or new interface maybe OK. If you wrote something to keep track of your CD collection - likely not. I'm not sure if it's just us or not (it sounded like Epicor has the same terms with Rocket), but we don't get full licences from Rocket for UD/SB+ - they are for the embedded application. They are significantly cheaper than the full licence - we've got some abnormally good terms from Rocket (at least that's what they keep telling us). Of course, we may be able to upgrade to full licenses - but we've never had a client that required anything like that, and since we've sunsetted our MV application the point is pretty much moot. If you ever go work for a law firm - give me a shout. That's what we do (just not with an MV based application). My original point was simply that Epicor's claim may have been valid. It sounds like you've got lots of valid grievances with them but this may not be one. Colin -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmann Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Tony, Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! My employer doesn't mind to pay a rather moderate license fee for 160 seats every year. But being charged tens of Thousands of Pounds for annual application support and every call still costs £100/hr really pissed them off. It isn't per-seat licensing but greedy software vendors that come up with rip-off schemes like that which give MV a bad name. Mecki On 08/07/2011 17:53, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Talk to Rocket. I have heard that there have been some discussion to resolve this problem David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
They would probably do QM or some other flavor too, but, for an extra fee. It all depends on, if its been done before, etc. etc., and how much new engineering has to be done. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Also ask whether your client owns the source code. If not, things get trickier when dealing with Activant/Epicor. Fortunately, we did own our own source code, so there wasn't much they could do, when we decided to move away from them. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:20 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: They would probably do QM or some other flavor too, but, for an extra fee. It all depends on, if its been done before, etc. etc., and how much new engineering has to be done. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to check these guys out. Not sure if they deal with Eclipse (or if I understand what Eclipse really is- too many buzzwords to keep up with), but, they have done plenty of Ultimate Plus to Universe/Unidata conversions and moved people away from Activant, while keeping the old PICK/MV apps in place. http://www.s7.com/s7migrationservices.html A gentleman by the name of Bruce Decker helped us out a great deal. If that is not relevant, forgive my ignorance on the understanding of what Eclipse is. I was just assuming that it was some type of MV system, or you would not have posted here... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:03 PM, David maildsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson -- John Thompson -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition - Bayesian Filter detected spam
Just drop support and hire an ex-Eclipse employee to do the programming. Quicken and Activant reduced development and support staff so there are people out there. And you say they are a client ... do you program for them? Email me off-line for more info Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition - Bayesian Filter detected spam Hey Guys, Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
An interesting stat about openbravo is how many devs they have on staff. I looked at them a few years ago and it was huge. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki On 07/07/2011 22:27, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body
2 dozen cheers for Mecki. Yes, this is a standard VAR tactic, since they are paying your license fees to the software vendor. Just deal directly with the software vendor. They tried that with our 3rd party fax software and had logged on to our system after we had dropped support. I had to remind them of California Penal Code Section 502 -Unauthorized Access to Computers, Computer Systems and Computer Data. Check your software contract - it may say licensed in perpetuity We never buy software without the source code. Garry L. Smith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki On 07/07/2011 22:27, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: David Have a client who has been on Eclipse since 2000. They are sick to death with the nickle and dime (read eye gouge) tactics by Activant and want out. Do you think Open Bravo or any of the other Open source ERP products could replace it. Obviously with a lot of customization. I'm hoping they consider migration to another MV-based platform rather than doing the multi-whammy : changing DBMS, application, vendors, and employees. There are many fine ERP packages based on MV. The company should check with Rocket Software, and since they're considering a full migration anyway I believe they should also talk with Northgate, InterSystems, and TigerLogic, who all have vendors with large-scale packages. If they don't find what they need, sure, consider going elsewhere. Yes, to answer the questions, FOSS ERP platforms have been getting more robust and are worthy of investigation. I don't have stats right now but not long ago something like 12 out of the top 20 SourceForge projects were ERP - not the typical stuff we see there like torrent client/server, Linux tools, or games. I've said for years that MV-based ERP vendors were going to lose their shirts to those other offerings if they didn't learn to adapt and compete. Well, here we are. Hint to MV application vendors: Open Source your software, sell support and development services, and market that model to the mainstream. That's what your modern competitors are doing. And really, isn't that sort of what you've been doing for decades anyway, just not advertising it? Then you just need to get the DBMS vendors to open their eyes and recognize that the per-seat licensing model has been dead for at least a decade... Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 07 April 2011 06:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Funny as heck. I started writing up a few brief notes on this thread, and immediately Epicor popped up as an Adsense advertiser in my margin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3555 - Release Date: 04/06/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera Band-aids work well also, the cotton pad won't gum/scratch the camera and are easy/cheap to replace if you ever need to use the camera. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Mine has never done that so far - it's an Instamatic over in the corner gathering dust. ;^) Charlie On 04-07-2011 10:11 AM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Just Gilbert. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Interesting indeed. I thought that I would check out the website contained in Joe's original email bsgstaffing.com, I was not surprised that I can not find a viable website at the address. Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
It seems he's real enough. Checks out with GoDaddy.com as being registered in New Jersey, anyway. It's just that unless they are looking for someone to go through the Stargate and work off-world there just ISN'T a job that is SO secret, SO sensitive that you can't even say what state/country the job is located in. I mean, come on! We're all professionals, and a pretty smart bunch, too! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Pizer Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:29 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Interesting indeed. I thought that I would check out the website contained in Joe's original email bsgstaffing.com, I was not surprised that I can not find a viable website at the address. Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 110406-0, 04/06/2011 Tested on: 4/6/2011 12:55:20 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
To purchase a Epicor U2 product you must first know it exists, then beg to buy it. (Unless you're an existing customer, then they will gladly sell you more copies) Development continues - but not nearly at the pace for when the U2 products were in active marketing driven development. Today all development is driven by customer requested features. (Which is actually better than marketing driven) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
I can only imagine how this feels at Rocket... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:51 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Why would they care? I know products that moved to MSSQL and ppl still lined up for the unix offering. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Marc Harbeson marc.harbe...@gmail.com wrote: I can only imagine how this feels at Rocket... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:51 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen bro...@pny.com wrote: Epicor has their package of the future which started as Vantage and is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.com wrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
lol On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Your contribution is welcome and valued! Brenda L Price UniVerse Lead Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC U2 User Group Board Member - u2ug.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Overly sensitive much? It was a joke. Mecki, This is exactly the reason this :) was invented for use in textual conversations where the subtleties of inflection are missing. I think a lot of folks here on U2users seem to have developed easily bunched panties syndrome lately. Chill people. Oh and Eclipse (Avanti, Intuit, this weeks owner) definitely runs on Universe. John Carter wrote: I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse WasRe: PICKSystems Administratorposition
Thank you! John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse WasRe: PICKSystems Administratorposition Your contribution is welcome and valued! Brenda L Price UniVerse Lead Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC U2 User Group Board Member - u2ug.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
So am I. ;-) Spoiling Epicor's easy profit making scheme that is. Before I started my current job the company I work for was spending tens if not hundreds of thousands of Pounds on Epicor consulting and project management services every year. Now Epicor don't get a penny and even lost the revenue from UD support! They were stupid enough to tell management they would stop development of Avante after release 9.5 trying to sell them on Vantage. The result being that the company is now switching to an Oracle based ERP system from another vendor because Vantage didn't cut to the chase then and as you admitted yourself neither does E9. The main division is still running on Avante 9.2, though! Who needs Epicor RD or consultants costing £1000 a day if one decent in house MV developer can modify a SB+ based package quickly and at low cost to whatever the company needs? BTW I use IBM Cognos for dashboards, KPIs and reporting these days. Not just with data from Avante but also from Oracle and SQL Server. Exporting data to Excel is child's play with SB+ too and even the guys on the shop floor are doing it without the help from IT. And the best thing is it's not relational but U2! On 06/04/2011 21:07, John Carter wrote: I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition
John: Don't let weisenheimers scare you away. Most of us appreciate thoughtful contributions; of which, yours was one. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* jcar...@impactbuscon.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 4/6/2011 1:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re:PICKSystems Administratorposition I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services. I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760
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Funny as heck. I started writing up a few brief notes on this thread, and immediately Epicor popped up as an Adsense advertiser in my margin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
