RE: Eclipse
Brian, There are some reasonably close approximations for most of the legacy elements - and I've only ever looked at the task from the perspective of moving legacy applications into an environment like Viságe, because in the process you would cull much of the 'dead wood' that inhabits systems that have evolved in a granular manner over a long period of time As you say, trying to make this happen for a system that hasn't been developed with some thought to structure would be "difficult", and as you suggest for many legacy systems would rapidly become a bigger task than re-designing the entire system, with little or no obvious/immediate payback Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Monday, 8 March 2004 8:33 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Eclipse > >Ross, > >That sounds like an interesting project ! > >I agree with you over the commercial aspect. The only way it could be done >reasonably would be as an open source project - and frankly I doubt it >would >get the contributors. > >I can see how using UML to model a new system could work, so long as you >restricted the design to include only those elements that can be sensibly >handled by the UML. > >But what about that dreaded 'legacy' element for which there is no formal >notation: for example, Q pointers, select lists, single and multiple level >data files, USING clauses and global dictionaries, horrible hetrogenous >values generated from SB+: not to mention the obvious virtual fields... > >I would think that representing an existing system could be a nightmare. > > > >Brian >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris >> Sent: 07 March 2004 10:04 >> To: U2 Users Discussion List >> Subject: RE: Eclipse >> >> UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years >> since we have done anything serious. >> >> At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were >> following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round >> trip model driven development environment that generated >> applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema >> generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which >> was never commercially sold) >> >> Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt >> schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. >> >> Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you >> could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) >> text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the >> "pick" side of the equation. >> >> I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine >> that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML >> Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. >> >> But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code >> generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return >> >> >> >> Ross Ferris >> Stamina Software >> Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >On Behalf Of Brian Leach >> >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM >> >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >> >Subject: RE: Eclipse >> > >> > >> >Chuck >> > >> >- Flame, flame, flame ! >> > >> > >> > >> >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of >> >representing MV constructs. >> >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the >> >only person who finds that notation irritating? It looks >> pre-schoolish >> >- and anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout >> at it and >> >it rarely shouts back). >> > >> >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems >> >that the rest of the world could recognize. >> >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining >> MV systems - >> >period. >> > >> >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) >> but I want a >> >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us >> more seriously. >> > >> > >> >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach >> >
RE: Eclipse
Ross, That sounds like an interesting project ! I agree with you over the commercial aspect. The only way it could be done reasonably would be as an open source project - and frankly I doubt it would get the contributors. I can see how using UML to model a new system could work, so long as you restricted the design to include only those elements that can be sensibly handled by the UML. But what about that dreaded 'legacy' element for which there is no formal notation: for example, Q pointers, select lists, single and multiple level data files, USING clauses and global dictionaries, horrible hetrogenous values generated from SB+: not to mention the obvious virtual fields... I would think that representing an existing system could be a nightmare. Brian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris > Sent: 07 March 2004 10:04 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Eclipse > > UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years > since we have done anything serious. > > At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were > following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round > trip model driven development environment that generated > applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema > generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which > was never commercially sold) > > Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt > schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. > > Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you > could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) > text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the > "pick" side of the equation. > > I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine > that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML > Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. > > But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code > generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return > > > > Ross Ferris > Stamina Software > Visage - an Evolution in Software Development > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Brian Leach > >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM > >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: Eclipse > > > > > >Chuck > > > >- Flame, flame, flame ! > > > > > > > >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of > >representing MV constructs. > >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the > >only person who finds that notation irritating? It looks > pre-schoolish > >- and anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout > at it and > >it rarely shouts back). > > > >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems > >that the rest of the world could recognize. > >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining > MV systems - > >period. > > > >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) > but I want a > >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us > more seriously. > > > > > >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results > >> Sent: 05 March 2004 01:29 > >> To: U2 Users Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: Eclipse > >> > >> Ross, > >> [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a > step that > >> has value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect > >> practical considerations. My experience of UML is that it > is a method > >> for separating projects from common sense and practical results. > >> > >> - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > >> > >> Ross Ferris wrote: > >> > > > > > >_ > __ > >_ This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar > >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > > > >DISCLAIMER > > > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be > >privileged. > > > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender > >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other > person, use > &
RE: Eclipse
UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years since we have done anything serious. At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round trip model driven development environment that generated applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which was never commercially sold) Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the "pick" side of the equation. I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Eclipse > > >Chuck > >- Flame, flame, flame ! > > > >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of representing >MV constructs. >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the only >person who finds that notation irritating? It looks pre-schoolish - and >anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout at it and it rarely >shouts back). > >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems that >the >rest of the world could recognize. >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems - >period. > >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) but I want a >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us more seriously. > > >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results >> Sent: 05 March 2004 01:29 >> To: U2 Users Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Eclipse >> >> Ross, >> [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a >> step that has value. There are many ways to shape a project >> that reflect practical considerations. My experience of UML >> is that it is a method for separating projects from common >> sense and practical results. >> >> - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch >> >> Ross Ferris wrote: >> > > > >This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > >DISCLAIMER > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be >privileged. > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other >person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Microgen Information Management Solutions >http://www.microgen.co.uk >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Chuck - Flame, flame, flame ! UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of representing MV constructs. And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the only person who finds that notation irritating? It looks pre-schoolish - and anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout at it and it rarely shouts back). Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems that the rest of the world could recognize. In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems - period. I know there are products that do it (including our own!) but I want a method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us more seriously. Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results > Sent: 05 March 2004 01:29 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: Eclipse > > Ross, > [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a > step that has value. There are many ways to shape a project > that reflect practical considerations. My experience of UML > is that it is a method for separating projects from common > sense and practical results. > > - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > > Ross Ferris wrote: > This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Chuck, Whilst on 1 hand I tend to agree, I think that anything that aids in the visualization of a process is useful. I've read history books that talk about an archaic art form called "flowcharting", though I believe the practitioners are all but extinct, even though they were prolific. UML is much more - comes back to how you use it. Horses for courses, and your mileage may vary. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 12:29 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Eclipse > >Ross, >[Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a step that has >value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect practical >considerations. My experience of UML is that it is a method for >separating projects from common sense and practical results. > >- Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > >Ross Ferris wrote: > >>Stuart, >> >>I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to >spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" >that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development >environment for U2) >> >>At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so >maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would >be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get >that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the >economic drivers) >> >>Ross Ferris >>Stamina Software >>Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Stuart Boydell >>>Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM >>>To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>Subject: RE: Eclipse >>> >>> >>> >>>>Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? >>>> >>>> >>>Hi Ross, >>>I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the >>>IDE. >>>It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in >>>for it for U2. >>> >>>For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a >>>development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is >>>adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source >>>version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). >>> >>>It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source >community. >>>You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or >>>tools >>>you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work >has >>>been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse >>>shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be >able >>>to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the >>>database >>>& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. >>> >>>So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, >>>Rational >>>or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested >in >>>it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. >>> >>>I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and >>>their >>>views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Stuart >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>** >>>This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >>>received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >>>(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. >>> >>>This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >>>for the presence of computer viruses. >>>** >>> >>>-- >>>u2-users mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>
Re: Eclipse
Ross, [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a step that has value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect practical considerations. My experience of UML is that it is a method for separating projects from common sense and practical results. - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch Ross Ferris wrote: Stuart, I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development environment for U2) At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the economic drivers) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Boydell Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Eclipse Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? Hi Ross, I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the IDE. It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in for it for U2. For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source community. You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or tools you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work has been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be able to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the database & code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, Rational or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested in it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and their views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. Cheers, Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Stuart, I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development environment for U2) At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the economic drivers) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Stuart Boydell >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: Eclipse > >> Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? > >Hi Ross, >I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the >IDE. >It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in >for it for U2. > >For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a >development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is >adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source >version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). > >It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source community. >You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or >tools >you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work has >been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse >shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be able >to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the >database >& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. > >So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, >Rational >or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested in >it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. > >I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and >their >views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. > >Cheers, >Stuart > > > > > > > > > > >** >This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >for the presence of computer viruses. >** > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Eclipse
Stuart, I saw an IBM presentation on Eclipse in 2002 and thought the same as you. Trouble is I am not a Java programmer and my prefferred editor is vi (which I wouldn't change for all the good things in the far off place). But as a platform for U2 tools, I can't think of a better spot than open source eclipse. Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
> Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? Hi Ross, I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the IDE. It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in for it for U2. For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source community. You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or tools you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work has been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be able to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the database & code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, Rational or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested in it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and their views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. Cheers, Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Stuart, Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? If the former, there may be other ways to achieve your goals - I suppose it then also depends on whether you are looking at simply consuming a web service, or publishing one FWIW, Viságe 6.50 will have a facility to enable you to "publish" any Viságe function (read Basic Subroutine) as a web service - we can happily consume them now from the client but as Dawn would point out, that doesn't count, because we "cheat" and use "nasty" Microsoft technology, and that just isn't Java (Hi Dawn!) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of David Beahm >Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2004 5:46 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Eclipse > >Sorry, I have done embarassingly little towards developing the desired >plug-in. I had trouble finding a tutorial that matched what I saw in >the current version of Eclipse, and recently have been using NetBeans >much more than Eclipse, so have let things slide. > >Best, >David Beahm > >Stuart Boydell wrote: >> Just saw a www.ibm.com/developerWorks seminar on web services. They are >> using Eclipse as their IDE and I was impressed by the sexiness of the >tools >> (We can get to whether they work or not later). >> There was a thread on here a few months ago about U2 & Eclipse and I was >> wondering if anyone had built or tried building a plug-in for U2 yet. >> Anyone have any comments about it? >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >> received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. >> >> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >> for the presence of computer viruses. >> ** >> >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Eclipse
Sorry, I have done embarassingly little towards developing the desired plug-in. I had trouble finding a tutorial that matched what I saw in the current version of Eclipse, and recently have been using NetBeans much more than Eclipse, so have let things slide. Best, David Beahm Stuart Boydell wrote: Just saw a www.ibm.com/developerWorks seminar on web services. They are using Eclipse as their IDE and I was impressed by the sexiness of the tools (We can get to whether they work or not later). There was a thread on here a few months ago about U2 & Eclipse and I was wondering if anyone had built or tried building a plug-in for U2 yet. Anyone have any comments about it? Cheers, -- Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
